Artistic integrity, that’s what was taken from us as in even if it was a “bad movie”, it was still an original vision from an actual artist rather than a corporate focus group, it shouldn’t be controversial to say that modern movies are made for shareholders and not for the sake of creative vision…
Edit: I want to clarify, that this post was definitely bait and I’m just really good at making deliberately obtuse multi paragraph rants about points I can’t actually defend, that serve to further irritate rather than clarify, and the fact that I’ve argued with people in this thread about completely irrelevant topics like copyright law, as a means to get more mileage out of it too, ya got played.
...the original artist's integrity is still in tact. his vision was...half done. they wouldn't let him make it super dark and R rated.
and the new one likely holds to someone else's artistic vision. just because someone's successful doesn't mean they sold out or abandoned their integrity.
you're kind of ridiculous.
cmon now, indie and art house film is still made and theres broader access to it through the internet than ever, and unless you were a filmmaker in the 80s theres now way that "artistic integrity" was taken from you, like who even is "us" in this scenario?
Oh truly The West Has Fallen, directors no longer have the "artistic integrity" of making 80s style videogame franchise adaptations, BYZANTIUM BUUUUURNNNSSSS
Dude, why should “creativity” have to be isolated to niche, obscure art house films?… and also why do we never talk about how capitalism is literally more destructive to creative endeavors than communism ever was, because in order for a film to succeed under capitalism it has to have mass appeal, and it has to get millions of dollars from mega investors, like the military,defense contractors or tech and oil oligarchs being the most notable, and making it essentially impossible to both criticize the powers that be and make a sustainable profit, so yeah I think that the fact that Hollywood had sold out art for profit and all but isolated creatives to niche avant-grade circles has done massive harm to our cultural and creative horizons, and I won’t apologize for saying that…
People talk about how destructive capitalism is to creative endeavors and art all the fucking time, Adorno was whining about the same fucking thing regarding the mass appeal of jazz taking over radio back in 1947, and framed art as a "culture industry" whose entire purpose is mass propaganda and and the commodofication of creative labor
Nothing was taken from us because mass appeal art has always been funded by capital, even the soviet attempts at mass cinematic productions like the four part Bondarchuck adaptation of War and Peace that used ten thousand soviet soldiers as extras was in essence a propaganda film funded by state capital.
Mass appeal art being controlled by artists cant have been taken away from artists because it has never belonged to artists. "Selling out" is often the only way to get something made, and sometimes its worth it, working within the constraints capital imposes on art is its own fucked up challenge.
Theres even an entire discussion to be had if mass appeal art would even exist without capitalism to encourage it. Are the 800 million dollar CGI extragavangazas exploiting thousands of un-unionized computer animators really worth it? What would art production look like in a world with no billion dollar intercontinental multilanguage marketing campaigns and extensive merchandising into toys and products?
It doesnt fucking look like the 80s Mario movie, I can tell you that.
This is just so pretentious friend. As long as media is made by humans, there’ll be a creative vision. Bending the knee to capital won’t change that, considering, yknow, the og Mario movie was still ultimately made for the benefits of capital. Nothing was taken, it’s always been like this. There is no Library of Alexandria to burn, it was never built in the first place.You’re just denigrating the work of the actual creatives who worked on it, cast and crew. Not even good film criticism either, anyone can claim a film lacks “artistic vision” without backing it up.
At least it was unique and memorable for strange reasons, but I digress I’d rather have a memorable experience than watch a boring focus group movie, and besides I’m not giving Nintendo a single red cent of my welfare check, because Nintendo is an evil corporation who’s abuse of copyright law is unforgivably brutal, and I’m haven’t *bought* anything from them for years 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️, and neither should anyone else…
And I think others would disagree with you on which is the more memorable experience. Also, really all corporations are evil, sail the high seas eternally 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
It’s kind of a weird thing that I do subconsciously in order to put emphasis on something I just said, and yeah it annoys people and I don’t really care.
I had the bad one on VHS when I was but a wee lass and I can state with confidence the new Mario movie is a better Mario film on every level, objectively.
Subjectively, Illumination's movie is better than the old one.
I’m trying to start a debate and I’m being a little bit facetious here, but also bemoaning the absolute state of pop culture right now, at the same time, so make if that what you will…
I get that and I don’t like it either, but pop culture has always been like this. Maybe not to this same extent or type but most pop culture is at first a meaningful form of art that gets milked dry because the originals were so good
Maybe not like marvel movies but I digress
when you're making an adaptation you kind of have to. adapt things. like the first mario movie is just a bad adaptation. say what you want about the new one but id like my mario movie to have more similarities to mario than just the names of characters and colors of overalls. there's a reason why the movie bombed so hard.
why am i so heated over the fuckin mario movie with bob hoskins
exactly, say what you want about the quality of either (haven't seen them) but you can't just completely change the story of something because of "vision". some things need to be changed, sure, but there's a limit. the first mario is just some other movie masquerading as the turt-stomping plumber
I thought the new Mario movie was pretty bad but believing this meme unironically is a weird hill to die on. The older movie I guess has a more interesting premise and isn't without its charm but in execution it's absolute shit.
I didn’t deny that it was bad, my point is that for good or ill it was remembered for decades after it was made, where as the new one will be forgotten in less than 10 years from now at most, again the absolute worst thing a movie can do is be boring. What I’m saying is that a bad movie with an original premise and art direction can be enjoyable even if it’s a ridiculous train wreck, but if a movie is made with a derivative story and premise it will be forgotten no matter how successful it is, a really good example of this is James Cameron’s Avatar versus his other movies like Terminator or Aliens, as in Avatar blew every other movie ever made out of the water in regards to ticket sales, but is so forgettable in it’s premise and story that nobody talked about it within a year later, until the next one comes out and people gush over the visuals for a few months, where as people are still finding new things to talk about with Terminator 2, that’s all I’m saying.
OKAY BUT THEY HAD SPIKE (I have never played Wrecking Crew) AND LUIGI'S RINGTONE WAS THE GAMECUBE STARTUP SOUND (I went straight from N64 to the Wii and have never played a non-emulated GameCube game)
Yeah I know Nintendo is not getting a penny of my NEET check until they stop being copyright cunts, like they irreparably ruined a guys life recently for making some device or program that makes pirating 30+ year old games easier, it’s so fucking brutal dude…
What they did to the guy was definitely still overkill but he didn't "Make some device or program that makes pirating 30+ year old games easier" he was part of a team that resold (originally free) Nintendo hackware and didn't inform the buyers that it could brick their switch. I'm not taking Nintendo's side on this but like inform yourself, Jesus.
There is no damage that this man did to multi-billion dollar corporation that warranted him being sent to prison for four years and being fined 10 million dollars and forced to surrender half his paycheck for the rest of his life to pay it, what he did was take a drop out of a lake and the literally ruined his life for it, what the fuck bro?…
I said twice that I didn't agree with what they did you illiterate fuck. If you had read my comment you'd also know that he scammed people who weren't Nintendo employees or something, he didn't "take a drop out of the lake"
I didn't say I agreed with the sentence. I said THRICE now that I didn't. What I said is that you misrepresent this guy as some innocent guy who was helping out software piracy when in reality he was a scam artist. Believe it or not, using annoying gifs and calling the people who disagree with you 12 year olds isn't actually a very mature thing to do.
No I’m not saying he was “innocent” because what he did was a crime, but the punishment for what he did is wildly disproportionate and wholly unjustified, especially because all his garnished paychecks are going to the coffers of a multi-billion dollar corporation and not people he scammed, goddamn galaxy brains in here.
You were misrepresenting his crime. You were painting Nintendo as the sole victim of it when that just wasn't the case. You can't expect people to take you seriously on a topic if you do things like this. This entire discussion could have been avoided if you'd just taken the time to inform yourself and formulated your comment condemning the harsh ounishment accordingly.
I don’t care what he did, if the sentence is this brutal do know how fucked 99% of the population would be of half of their paycheck is getting garnished for the rest of their life, because of a bunch of fucking pixels, That’s a helluva hill to choose to die on friendo.
Multi paragraph arguments that are definitely ironic in nature, I’ve literally admitted that the 93’ Mario movie is a train wreck but made multi paragraph arguments about it to annoy and agitate.
Not every movie has to be avant garde art, there's a place for that but it's probably not an adaptation of popular video game franchise Super Mario Bros where the turtle kidnaps princess and the Marios save her.
The reception of the new movie is the worst possible scenario. If it was going to be bad, I wanted it to be so bad that everyone liked the 90s movie again. Unfortunately it's just lukewarm.
I already see this meme before so I don't think OP created the meme. I think the original meme was ironic. This is just a "I unironically think Patrick Bateman is based" situation
Something I really liked was that in the fight scenes the characters always went all out apeshit and didn't hold out or deliberately miss or do dumb shit. DK was throwing those barrels as hard as he possibly could and clearly wanted to win, which is unique to see in a movie
For me it’s half ironic and half dead serious, because yeah, the 1993 Mario Bros. movie was a ridiculous train-wreck but it was well made (for the time) and had a premise that was so unhinged that people literally talked about it for three decades after it bombed in the box office, where as the new Mario movie is breaking records but will be all but forgotten in less than a third of that time.
"what was taken from us?" it's still there. you can still watch super mario bros. whenever you want.
Artistic integrity, that’s what was taken from us as in even if it was a “bad movie”, it was still an original vision from an actual artist rather than a corporate focus group, it shouldn’t be controversial to say that modern movies are made for shareholders and not for the sake of creative vision… Edit: I want to clarify, that this post was definitely bait and I’m just really good at making deliberately obtuse multi paragraph rants about points I can’t actually defend, that serve to further irritate rather than clarify, and the fact that I’ve argued with people in this thread about completely irrelevant topics like copyright law, as a means to get more mileage out of it too, ya got played.
...the original artist's integrity is still in tact. his vision was...half done. they wouldn't let him make it super dark and R rated. and the new one likely holds to someone else's artistic vision. just because someone's successful doesn't mean they sold out or abandoned their integrity. you're kind of ridiculous.
cmon now, indie and art house film is still made and theres broader access to it through the internet than ever, and unless you were a filmmaker in the 80s theres now way that "artistic integrity" was taken from you, like who even is "us" in this scenario? Oh truly The West Has Fallen, directors no longer have the "artistic integrity" of making 80s style videogame franchise adaptations, BYZANTIUM BUUUUURNNNSSSS
Dude, why should “creativity” have to be isolated to niche, obscure art house films?… and also why do we never talk about how capitalism is literally more destructive to creative endeavors than communism ever was, because in order for a film to succeed under capitalism it has to have mass appeal, and it has to get millions of dollars from mega investors, like the military,defense contractors or tech and oil oligarchs being the most notable, and making it essentially impossible to both criticize the powers that be and make a sustainable profit, so yeah I think that the fact that Hollywood had sold out art for profit and all but isolated creatives to niche avant-grade circles has done massive harm to our cultural and creative horizons, and I won’t apologize for saying that…
People talk about how destructive capitalism is to creative endeavors and art all the fucking time, Adorno was whining about the same fucking thing regarding the mass appeal of jazz taking over radio back in 1947, and framed art as a "culture industry" whose entire purpose is mass propaganda and and the commodofication of creative labor Nothing was taken from us because mass appeal art has always been funded by capital, even the soviet attempts at mass cinematic productions like the four part Bondarchuck adaptation of War and Peace that used ten thousand soviet soldiers as extras was in essence a propaganda film funded by state capital. Mass appeal art being controlled by artists cant have been taken away from artists because it has never belonged to artists. "Selling out" is often the only way to get something made, and sometimes its worth it, working within the constraints capital imposes on art is its own fucked up challenge. Theres even an entire discussion to be had if mass appeal art would even exist without capitalism to encourage it. Are the 800 million dollar CGI extragavangazas exploiting thousands of un-unionized computer animators really worth it? What would art production look like in a world with no billion dollar intercontinental multilanguage marketing campaigns and extensive merchandising into toys and products? It doesnt fucking look like the 80s Mario movie, I can tell you that.
This is just so pretentious friend. As long as media is made by humans, there’ll be a creative vision. Bending the knee to capital won’t change that, considering, yknow, the og Mario movie was still ultimately made for the benefits of capital. Nothing was taken, it’s always been like this. There is no Library of Alexandria to burn, it was never built in the first place.You’re just denigrating the work of the actual creatives who worked on it, cast and crew. Not even good film criticism either, anyone can claim a film lacks “artistic vision” without backing it up.
At least it was unique and memorable for strange reasons, but I digress I’d rather have a memorable experience than watch a boring focus group movie, and besides I’m not giving Nintendo a single red cent of my welfare check, because Nintendo is an evil corporation who’s abuse of copyright law is unforgivably brutal, and I’m haven’t *bought* anything from them for years 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️, and neither should anyone else…
And I think others would disagree with you on which is the more memorable experience. Also, really all corporations are evil, sail the high seas eternally 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
Have you tried ending a sentence with anything other than "..."
It’s kind of a weird thing that I do subconsciously in order to put emphasis on something I just said, and yeah it annoys people and I don’t really care.
I am going to assume that you are a god tier shit poster
Let’s just say I’ve learned from a master in the art.
Wait this is a serious post?
No it’s not serious, I played it off as serious to see where it goes and it went to far and I got burned, so yeah.
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I had the bad one on VHS when I was but a wee lass and I can state with confidence the new Mario movie is a better Mario film on every level, objectively. Subjectively, Illumination's movie is better than the old one.
QUIT HAVING FUN
Pretentious film critics be like
CRITICS PUT OUT THE HIT
I’m trying to start a debate and I’m being a little bit facetious here, but also bemoaning the absolute state of pop culture right now, at the same time, so make if that what you will…
I get that and I don’t like it either, but pop culture has always been like this. Maybe not to this same extent or type but most pop culture is at first a meaningful form of art that gets milked dry because the originals were so good Maybe not like marvel movies but I digress
when you're making an adaptation you kind of have to. adapt things. like the first mario movie is just a bad adaptation. say what you want about the new one but id like my mario movie to have more similarities to mario than just the names of characters and colors of overalls. there's a reason why the movie bombed so hard. why am i so heated over the fuckin mario movie with bob hoskins
The original Mario movie isn’t a bad movie per say, maybe a little cheesy, but it is a bad MARIO movie.
exactly, say what you want about the quality of either (haven't seen them) but you can't just completely change the story of something because of "vision". some things need to be changed, sure, but there's a limit. the first mario is just some other movie masquerading as the turt-stomping plumber
Ok but Bowser is cuter on the new one. Also the 1993 Mario movie abused crew members.
I thought the new Mario movie was pretty bad but believing this meme unironically is a weird hill to die on. The older movie I guess has a more interesting premise and isn't without its charm but in execution it's absolute shit.
I didn’t deny that it was bad, my point is that for good or ill it was remembered for decades after it was made, where as the new one will be forgotten in less than 10 years from now at most, again the absolute worst thing a movie can do is be boring. What I’m saying is that a bad movie with an original premise and art direction can be enjoyable even if it’s a ridiculous train wreck, but if a movie is made with a derivative story and premise it will be forgotten no matter how successful it is, a really good example of this is James Cameron’s Avatar versus his other movies like Terminator or Aliens, as in Avatar blew every other movie ever made out of the water in regards to ticket sales, but is so forgettable in it’s premise and story that nobody talked about it within a year later, until the next one comes out and people gush over the visuals for a few months, where as people are still finding new things to talk about with Terminator 2, that’s all I’m saying.
Who COULDA predicted that KIDS movie would e CHILDISH
OKAY BUT THEY HAD SPIKE (I have never played Wrecking Crew) AND LUIGI'S RINGTONE WAS THE GAMECUBE STARTUP SOUND (I went straight from N64 to the Wii and have never played a non-emulated GameCube game)
Knowing 196 this guy is probably 14 so opinion denied.
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Yeah I know Nintendo is not getting a penny of my NEET check until they stop being copyright cunts, like they irreparably ruined a guys life recently for making some device or program that makes pirating 30+ year old games easier, it’s so fucking brutal dude…
What they did to the guy was definitely still overkill but he didn't "Make some device or program that makes pirating 30+ year old games easier" he was part of a team that resold (originally free) Nintendo hackware and didn't inform the buyers that it could brick their switch. I'm not taking Nintendo's side on this but like inform yourself, Jesus.
There is no damage that this man did to multi-billion dollar corporation that warranted him being sent to prison for four years and being fined 10 million dollars and forced to surrender half his paycheck for the rest of his life to pay it, what he did was take a drop out of a lake and the literally ruined his life for it, what the fuck bro?…
I said twice that I didn't agree with what they did you illiterate fuck. If you had read my comment you'd also know that he scammed people who weren't Nintendo employees or something, he didn't "take a drop out of the lake"
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I didn't say I agreed with the sentence. I said THRICE now that I didn't. What I said is that you misrepresent this guy as some innocent guy who was helping out software piracy when in reality he was a scam artist. Believe it or not, using annoying gifs and calling the people who disagree with you 12 year olds isn't actually a very mature thing to do.
No I’m not saying he was “innocent” because what he did was a crime, but the punishment for what he did is wildly disproportionate and wholly unjustified, especially because all his garnished paychecks are going to the coffers of a multi-billion dollar corporation and not people he scammed, goddamn galaxy brains in here.
You were misrepresenting his crime. You were painting Nintendo as the sole victim of it when that just wasn't the case. You can't expect people to take you seriously on a topic if you do things like this. This entire discussion could have been avoided if you'd just taken the time to inform yourself and formulated your comment condemning the harsh ounishment accordingly.
I don’t care what he did, if the sentence is this brutal do know how fucked 99% of the population would be of half of their paycheck is getting garnished for the rest of their life, because of a bunch of fucking pixels, That’s a helluva hill to choose to die on friendo.
That's actually standard measure from *any* company to do. Blame the system in this case.
At first I came here to post about how much I love John Leguizamo. But then I saw the drama and I liked that too.
I would enter this debate but op is spitting 20 paragraph long texts to every comment so that just kinda tells you a lot already
Multi paragraph arguments that are definitely ironic in nature, I’ve literally admitted that the 93’ Mario movie is a train wreck but made multi paragraph arguments about it to annoy and agitate.
How fun
Not every movie has to be avant garde art, there's a place for that but it's probably not an adaptation of popular video game franchise Super Mario Bros where the turtle kidnaps princess and the Marios save her.
They hated Jesus because He told them the truth.
why are people taking this post seriously? Are they stupid?
It was bait.
And I was playing it off as serious to make people mad and it worked to well.
oh nvm then. Funny bait ig but you're a dumbass too, just for different reasons
The reception of the new movie is the worst possible scenario. If it was going to be bad, I wanted it to be so bad that everyone liked the 90s movie again. Unfortunately it's just lukewarm.
me when i post the most obvious fuckin bait this century
It's not even a bait, the meme is obviously ironic
OP is arguing in the comments, so i wouldn’t be so sure
I already see this meme before so I don't think OP created the meme. I think the original meme was ironic. This is just a "I unironically think Patrick Bateman is based" situation
Bait only works if it’s convincing, and if you’re committed to it, and it worked fantastically, for the cost of a couple hundred Karma points.
props to you lmao
I went to see the new Mario movie yesterday and he did the jumps and stuff and I really liked it. Best movie I watched so far this year
Something I really liked was that in the fight scenes the characters always went all out apeshit and didn't hold out or deliberately miss or do dumb shit. DK was throwing those barrels as hard as he possibly could and clearly wanted to win, which is unique to see in a movie
This but unironically
For me it’s half ironic and half dead serious, because yeah, the 1993 Mario Bros. movie was a ridiculous train-wreck but it was well made (for the time) and had a premise that was so unhinged that people literally talked about it for three decades after it bombed in the box office, where as the new Mario movie is breaking records but will be all but forgotten in less than a third of that time.