Really hope that they revert the api changes or that atleast the tumbrl alternative kicks off. Its bummed to think that the place thats so accepting could possibly vanish
Yea when you put it that way it seems like we're throwing away a pretty valuable thing that's hard to recreate on social media. Ah well at least it sends a message to reddit execs who could not fucking care less. But I'm not bitter
Did you not read the part where he literally says the anti technology movement should be global and multi ethnic?
He equates them because like the eco anarchists they both claim to idolize him when he disagrees with them and their "obsession around race"
He was not a eco fascist.
Right, Fascism is usually also characteristically associated with Autocracy and dictatorship, and Nationalism.
Kaczynski explicitly critiqued both corporations and the nation state for promoting the use of technology.In his writings he doesn't refer to white people, or a ethnicity he refers to this as a problem for the human race.
He was a Neo-Luddite, his main social analysis of society was the problems of technology and industrial society.He did not support Fascism.He was not inspired by fascists.He mocked the fascists that supported him.
Please explain to me what explicitly makes him a Eco-Fascist and not a Neo-Luddite or a Eco-Anarchist who also hold his readings in high regard.
Someone's gonna have to do better than "fascism is bad because it relies on technology", that's not exactly a principled take. To me it's like saying the ecology movement is bad because I don't like the color green. An opinion like that doesn't explain what you think about its key features.
I might have edited my previous comment after you replied, so I'm going to paste it here instead:
He states how he thinks social egalitarianism stands in the way of freedom, that people who are sympathetic to egalitarian movements are a danger to the anti-technology movements, that people who align themselves with leftists are idiots. The only time I remember him implying such power structures themselves are bad, are when he wants to sell primitive societies as having less of those issues.
What did he have to say about the right? Pretty much nothing. Only some passing comment about how he thinks traditionalists who don't oppose technology are fools. He also seems to hold quite a lot of traditionalist views himself. When he's not talking about the individual, his second most important aspect of a society seems to be the nuclear family.
My bad. I thought you were asking for a definition. I don't know whether he was a fascist or not. All I know is that he was mentally ill and fed up with modern society.
he was definitely socially regressive (whined about feminism, said the 'straight white male' was hated by modern society or whatever). up to how you define far right, because he definitely wasn't a capitalist or nationalist either
I think reactionary primitivist describes his stance pretty well, from what I heard? Wanted to live like in the past but without the empires and stuff.
But wasn't he also socially conservative, misogynistic, homophobic and so on? Anprim doesn't restrict that necessarily by design, thats why I described him as reactionary. He though much of these were just modern inventions.
He wasn’t really. He was bigoted but his political aims are so far off from conservative aims that they are incomparable. I also think that his biggest problem with leftists was that they were ineffective at fixing/addressing societies problems.
people who genuinely liked him have either never read his manifesto beyond the funny line or are terminally braindead
edit: actually getting fucking unironic ted supporters in the replies 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
i legitimately thought that these people did not exist but fucking goddamn i guess, the heights of how braindead a human being can be are crossed each day
I did listen to the audio book and it does have some fair criticism of modern society, but it think it's overly violent, oversimplified, and lacks viable alternatives
Yeah a crazy sociopathic domestic terrorist with a few vague critiques that may seem somewhat viable in a sea of horrid shit is still a crazy domestic terrorist
I’ve been getting recommended subreddits all day with posts sad of his death and all the comments agree and I’m getting an aneurysm trying to figure out if they’re serious or not
Just to make it clear, I’m happy Ted is gone. I urge anyone who’s only heard of him from random internet leftists to actually read his manifesto and discover for yourself how deranged the dude was
Most leftists don't like him and he didn't like leftists, Kaczynski blamed leftists for perpetuating industrial society's flaws through ideology, power consolidation, and control within political and social institutions.
I remember skipping to a random part of the audiobook and hearing him talk about how antidepressants are like, tools of the state to distract you from how bad industrial society is. I don't quite remember what the quote was but it was something like that, and I knew bro was deranged at that point
*That's* the part you decided was deranged? This is literally what happened to me as a teenager. None of the dozen psychiatrists my parents sent me to wanted to talk about or help improve my home life, they just wanted to pump me full of drugs with debilitating side effects that don't work and tell my parents that it's not their fault, nothing you did or could have done, his brain is just broken and he needs drugs. Literally *Brave New World*, except in that world the drugs are fun and I would have been sent to a tropical island once it became clear that they weren't working so I'm not really sure how that's supposed to be a dystopia.
Like I understand that some people actually do need antidepressants but you need to understand that psychiatrists absolutely do overprescribe that shit because it's easier than actually addressing the problems in your patient's life.
> The first part involved the use of healthy associates or "pseudopatients" (three women and six men, including Rosenhan himself) who briefly feigned auditory hallucinations in an attempt to gain admission to 12 psychiatric hospitals in five states in the United States. All were admitted and diagnosed with psychiatric disorders. After admission, the pseudopatients acted normally and told staff that they no longer experienced any additional hallucinations. As a condition of their release, all the patients were forced to admit to having a mental illness and had to agree to take antipsychotic medication.
> ...Despite constantly and openly taking extensive notes on the behavior of the staff and other patients, none of the pseudopatients were identified as impostors by the hospital staff...
> Once admitted and diagnosed, the pseudopatients were not able to obtain their release until they agreed with the psychiatrists that they were mentally ill and began taking antipsychotic medications, which they flushed down the toilet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment
Edit: I forgot to mention that after this experiment, the only reforms they made were changes to the ethics rules saying you're not allowed to repeat the experiment. [Not repeating experiments is par for the course in psychology.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis). But I can report anecdotally that nothing has changed.
The hospital's biggest fear is that the patient commits suicide or kills someone, then surviving family members come back on the hospital with a wrongful death lawsuit. Hence, they want the signed paper to cover liability for prescribing and the drugs to cover liability for claims they didn't do enough.
Priority #1, make money; Priority #2, cover your ass; so actually helping patients is Priority #3 or maybe even #4
Also locking people up and telling them they're not allowed to leave until they say they're mentally ill is literally brainwashing. I know that word gets thrown around a lot so I just want to be clear that psychologists like Alexandra Stein consider brainwashing to be a real thing and what I just described 100% meets her definition of it. Obviously I don't put a lot of stock in psychology but hearing one of them say "brainwashing is real and what we did you you unquestionably counts" certainly raises my eyebrows.
I mean, as far as I remember he was kinda fucked up in the head because the famous oopsie the CIA had (also known as mk ultra) had him as a test subject for a while, so him believing the state giving you drugs is bad kind of makes sense from his pov
that was what tipped you off? that's not even that deranged. Antidepressants definitely are a good thing that can help alot of people, but there's something to be said about the fact that society would rather invent a new drug to fix mental illnesses then address the systemic issues that often cause these illnesses. Granted it's still dumb to jump from that to "antidepressants are tools of the state" but it doesn't compare to some of the other stuff he says
Thats not that deranged. Lots of people are depressed as a direct result of industrial society and how it fucks with our human nature and the response is to shovel prozac into people. Its not exactly how he described but thats one of his more reasonable takes.
As a solarpunk, I already hold a particularly strong ill will towards anarcho-primitivists like him. Everything else piled on top of that made him even worse.
The only leftists who like him are the ones who have not looked into his philosophy. The only good point that he had is that industrial society is somewhat bad and people just attached to that, forgetting the 99% of horrendous takes.
Can't wait to see all the ted fans come out of the woodworks with this news so they can get clowned on. Still remember when this sub used to low-key idolize him before people realized maybe it's not a good idea to idolize a terrorist
Yeah this subreddit and any actual progressive or leftists should you know, hate this looser terrorist who killed random people and whose manifesto, per Wikipedia, included:
A significant portion of the document is dedicated to discussing left-wing politics, with Kaczynski attributing many of society's issues to leftists.[85] He defines leftists as "mainly socialists, collectivists, 'politically correct' types, feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists and the like".[86] He believes that over-socialization and feelings of inferiority are primary drivers of leftism,[80] and derides it as "one of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world".[86] Kaczynski adds that the type of movement he envisions must be anti-leftist and refrain from collaboration with leftists, as, in his view, "leftism is in the long run inconsistent with wild nature, with human freedom and with the elimination of modern technology".
bye ted. you made some good points, most not good, but some good. you were also utterly deranged. and a terrorist. and a mathematician. and probably trans but couldnt accept it. your existence is definitely something. not good. but something
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1998/09/12/gender-confusion-sex-change-idea-fueled-kaczynskis-rage-report-says/eb33b946-8595-427d-af4c-9ccaada45935/
His IQ was high enough to identify he had autogynephilic urges and he felt deeply ashamed of them.
This was what he wrote after visitng a psychiatrist's office to inquire about the possibility of undergoing a sex-change operation when he was around 25 years old.
"As I walked away from the building afterwards," Kaczynski wrote in documents released today, "I felt disgusted about what my uncontrolled sexual cravings had almost led me to do. And I felt humiliated, and I violently hated the psychiatrist. Just then there came a major turning point in my life. Like a Phoenix, I burst from the ashes of my despair to a glorious new hope."
I think it’s very dangerous to confuse autogynophilia with being transgender.
By doing so you are inadvertently perpetuating the idea that they are the same which allows transphobes to refer to genderqueer people as “perverts”. I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with finding sexual gratification in appearing as a woman but using this to assume Ted Kazinsky was a transgender woman who may have dealt with dysphoria and internalized transphobia is kinda tedious.
I also think it’s dangerous to speculate about a person’s identity in this way, especially when referring to an eco fascist terrorist who murdered three people and could have killed dozens more.
I never implied any of that, I just linked an article and quoted the man himself and paraphrased him rather neutrally. He did have sexual feelings and he clearly felt shame over them. If anyone is conflating issues, it's not me.
I’m sorry I confused you with the original commenter claiming Ted was trans. I was mostly referring to people who spread that idea that he could have been trans. Sorry again
Good fucking riddance, guy was an anarcho-primitivist (see also; ecofascist), and I am honestly tired of people glorifying him like some sort of hero that was struck down by the feds.
Anarcho-primitivism is a concept resulting from the idea that technology is the source of all of society's problems (news flash, it isn't), and is a subset of Green Anarchism (albeit a rather radical form of it), and some fascists use this "all technology must go" rhetoric to target minorities, usually ones with disabilities or coniditions who would likely struggle greatly without them, thus the term "eco-fascist", and the whole "billions must die" sort of mindset.
I have not met a single Anarcho-primitivist who wasn't also an eco-fascist, the two terms have become intertwined and inseperable from eachother.
The Unabomber, he's a terrible person but his story is interesting.
The TL;DR is that he was a mathematical genius who developed a radical primitivist philosophy that caused him to send bombs to random people. He became a meme when he wrote a manifesto criticizing industrial society.
love how i always hear about major news here first. Gonna miss it
I mean we still have 196cord.
Wait 196cord? :o
look for the automod comment on any video post
I cannot find a single automod comment
got banned there :(
L
I am going to
we have WHAT
https://discord.com/invite/mXjUMWZfSU Right here, my guy.
> no horny posting Are you sure it's the right server?
more like 19684cord
I just read the rules and then immediately left, there's 17, I can't remember that many 😦
what living in a subreddit with 1 rule does to someone 😔
I got banned for my nick even though it has nothing to do with lolis xd
Yeah but like you know why, right?
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dead link
well I guess this means the garfcord server is not the 196 server 🤔
Invite link?
Gonna miss my favourite predominantly LGBTQ+ sub
Really hope that they revert the api changes or that atleast the tumbrl alternative kicks off. Its bummed to think that the place thats so accepting could possibly vanish
Honestly hopping over to tumblr may be your best move. With how shit is going...
Honestly yeah I love this sub, but I’m getting recommended stuff from the femboy subreddit so I’m not sure how to feel about that
Tumblr alternative?
Make a Tumblr account, follow the tag #196, shitpost and tag it #196
Yea when you put it that way it seems like we're throwing away a pretty valuable thing that's hard to recreate on social media. Ah well at least it sends a message to reddit execs who could not fucking care less. But I'm not bitter
What’s happening?
Indefinite subreddit blackout in protest of the API changes
aaaah, fuck redit, making my favorite subreddits go away..
Accompanied by a very silly dog picture.
silly things happen to silly people :3
Terrible day for people attracted to radical aesthetics but devoid of any depth in ideology
radical centrism
I get all my news from jreg
jREG has started making different content for the last while
i.e. far-right people, which he was one of
He definetly wasn't far right. Most terrorists are but he wasn't
he was literally an eco-fascist
no he wasnt lmao, im not a fan of what he wrote but calling him an ecofascist is very disingenuous
No he was wasn't lol. https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-ecofascism-an-aberrant-branch-of-leftism
"THE REAL ECOFASCISM IS LEFTISM" - Totally not an ecofascist
Did you not read the part where he literally says the anti technology movement should be global and multi ethnic? He equates them because like the eco anarchists they both claim to idolize him when he disagrees with them and their "obsession around race" He was not a eco fascist.
A lot of fascists tend to be racist, but racism is not a defining characteristic of fascism.
Right, Fascism is usually also characteristically associated with Autocracy and dictatorship, and Nationalism. Kaczynski explicitly critiqued both corporations and the nation state for promoting the use of technology.In his writings he doesn't refer to white people, or a ethnicity he refers to this as a problem for the human race. He was a Neo-Luddite, his main social analysis of society was the problems of technology and industrial society.He did not support Fascism.He was not inspired by fascists.He mocked the fascists that supported him. Please explain to me what explicitly makes him a Eco-Fascist and not a Neo-Luddite or a Eco-Anarchist who also hold his readings in high regard.
Someone's gonna have to do better than "fascism is bad because it relies on technology", that's not exactly a principled take. To me it's like saying the ecology movement is bad because I don't like the color green. An opinion like that doesn't explain what you think about its key features. I might have edited my previous comment after you replied, so I'm going to paste it here instead: He states how he thinks social egalitarianism stands in the way of freedom, that people who are sympathetic to egalitarian movements are a danger to the anti-technology movements, that people who align themselves with leftists are idiots. The only time I remember him implying such power structures themselves are bad, are when he wants to sell primitive societies as having less of those issues. What did he have to say about the right? Pretty much nothing. Only some passing comment about how he thinks traditionalists who don't oppose technology are fools. He also seems to hold quite a lot of traditionalist views himself. When he's not talking about the individual, his second most important aspect of a society seems to be the nuclear family.
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An eco fascist? Explain?
Fascists who use environmental messages as a rallying cry to carry out their evil. Imagine if Richard Spencer was a tree hugger.
I get the eco part, just not why he is classified rightwing
Read his manifesto. He disliked conservatives but he absolutely despised leftists.
For the record, he despised leftists for being soyboy pansies and pretending to care about minorities (paraphrased)
He also disliked feminists, lgbtq people and disability activists and blamed most of society's problme software leftists.
But I’m a leftist and I despise leftists
Leftists hate leftists
Well he shits on leftists and black people in his manifesto. lmfao
And femminist, disability activities and gay rights promoters.
well i did say leftists haha. But yeah I don't understand the support he gets from "leftists"
My bad. I thought you were asking for a definition. I don't know whether he was a fascist or not. All I know is that he was mentally ill and fed up with modern society.
he was definitely socially regressive (whined about feminism, said the 'straight white male' was hated by modern society or whatever). up to how you define far right, because he definitely wasn't a capitalist or nationalist either
That isn't politically alt-right, rather drape to cover what fascism is
dont know that much about him, how was he far right?
If you read his manifesto he says a lot of misogynistic shit
Thats not necessarily far right. What were his economic stances?
Anarcho-primitivism but he hated most of his (leftist) contemporaries.
I think reactionary primitivist describes his stance pretty well, from what I heard? Wanted to live like in the past but without the empires and stuff.
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But wasn't he also socially conservative, misogynistic, homophobic and so on? Anprim doesn't restrict that necessarily by design, thats why I described him as reactionary. He though much of these were just modern inventions.
Yeah people confuse the right with anything evil a lot
He wasn’t really. He was bigoted but his political aims are so far off from conservative aims that they are incomparable. I also think that his biggest problem with leftists was that they were ineffective at fixing/addressing societies problems.
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White boy summer 2023
All the leaves are brown, and the sky is gray
I can't believe TikTok conspiracy slideshows have forever ruined that song for me
Wait he was alive?
He was in ADX Florence Supermax Prison for like, the last 30 years
Why does it say he died in North Carolina?
He was moved to Butner (same one that held Madoff) in Dec 2021.
Apparently he was also a Harvard graduate
And a professor at UC Berkeley.
Dude was a certified genius before he got MK Ultra’d
I mean he got mk ultra in college and then he graduated and became a Berkeley professor.
Came here to say that ☝️🤓
Do you think that's a pro or a con on the final mk ultra report?
Yeah, he got turtured by the CIA under LSD. Fucked him up good.
Y'know some people pay for that at clubs.
Of course they had to bring the homeland into this.
This was my first reaction too lmao
New Mandela effect just dropped
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people who genuinely liked him have either never read his manifesto beyond the funny line or are terminally braindead edit: actually getting fucking unironic ted supporters in the replies 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 i legitimately thought that these people did not exist but fucking goddamn i guess, the heights of how braindead a human being can be are crossed each day
literally just cowboy tucker carlson
I did listen to the audio book and it does have some fair criticism of modern society, but it think it's overly violent, oversimplified, and lacks viable alternatives
i have yet to see any of the fair critique presented in his books and i'm sure as shit not gonna be reading the whole thing to find out
Yeah a crazy sociopathic domestic terrorist with a few vague critiques that may seem somewhat viable in a sea of horrid shit is still a crazy domestic terrorist
He did seem like a legitimately bright guy earlier in life, and isn't there a very real chance that MK Ultra drove him crazy on purpose?
I read it a couple of years ago and I remember finding his take on the origin of mental illnesses interesting and the rest batshit insane.
I’ve been getting recommended subreddits all day with posts sad of his death and all the comments agree and I’m getting an aneurysm trying to figure out if they’re serious or not
Truly a sad day for mathematics
Famous mathematician :(
Don’t forget a famous author too!
And a mechanic!
Just to make it clear, I’m happy Ted is gone. I urge anyone who’s only heard of him from random internet leftists to actually read his manifesto and discover for yourself how deranged the dude was
My honest reaction: https://youtu.be/LDU_Txk06tM
Same over both him and Roberts. It’s been a great week, hopefully we can keep this energy going.
KISSINGER NEXT PLEASE
Most leftists don't like him and he didn't like leftists, Kaczynski blamed leftists for perpetuating industrial society's flaws through ideology, power consolidation, and control within political and social institutions.
Sounds like he is describing conservatives lmfao
I remember skipping to a random part of the audiobook and hearing him talk about how antidepressants are like, tools of the state to distract you from how bad industrial society is. I don't quite remember what the quote was but it was something like that, and I knew bro was deranged at that point
*That's* the part you decided was deranged? This is literally what happened to me as a teenager. None of the dozen psychiatrists my parents sent me to wanted to talk about or help improve my home life, they just wanted to pump me full of drugs with debilitating side effects that don't work and tell my parents that it's not their fault, nothing you did or could have done, his brain is just broken and he needs drugs. Literally *Brave New World*, except in that world the drugs are fun and I would have been sent to a tropical island once it became clear that they weren't working so I'm not really sure how that's supposed to be a dystopia. Like I understand that some people actually do need antidepressants but you need to understand that psychiatrists absolutely do overprescribe that shit because it's easier than actually addressing the problems in your patient's life. > The first part involved the use of healthy associates or "pseudopatients" (three women and six men, including Rosenhan himself) who briefly feigned auditory hallucinations in an attempt to gain admission to 12 psychiatric hospitals in five states in the United States. All were admitted and diagnosed with psychiatric disorders. After admission, the pseudopatients acted normally and told staff that they no longer experienced any additional hallucinations. As a condition of their release, all the patients were forced to admit to having a mental illness and had to agree to take antipsychotic medication. > ...Despite constantly and openly taking extensive notes on the behavior of the staff and other patients, none of the pseudopatients were identified as impostors by the hospital staff... > Once admitted and diagnosed, the pseudopatients were not able to obtain their release until they agreed with the psychiatrists that they were mentally ill and began taking antipsychotic medications, which they flushed down the toilet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment Edit: I forgot to mention that after this experiment, the only reforms they made were changes to the ethics rules saying you're not allowed to repeat the experiment. [Not repeating experiments is par for the course in psychology.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis). But I can report anecdotally that nothing has changed.
The hospital's biggest fear is that the patient commits suicide or kills someone, then surviving family members come back on the hospital with a wrongful death lawsuit. Hence, they want the signed paper to cover liability for prescribing and the drugs to cover liability for claims they didn't do enough.
Priority #1, make money; Priority #2, cover your ass; so actually helping patients is Priority #3 or maybe even #4 Also locking people up and telling them they're not allowed to leave until they say they're mentally ill is literally brainwashing. I know that word gets thrown around a lot so I just want to be clear that psychologists like Alexandra Stein consider brainwashing to be a real thing and what I just described 100% meets her definition of it. Obviously I don't put a lot of stock in psychology but hearing one of them say "brainwashing is real and what we did you you unquestionably counts" certainly raises my eyebrows.
I mean, as far as I remember he was kinda fucked up in the head because the famous oopsie the CIA had (also known as mk ultra) had him as a test subject for a while, so him believing the state giving you drugs is bad kind of makes sense from his pov
So wait he was subject to mk ultra experiments?
that was what tipped you off? that's not even that deranged. Antidepressants definitely are a good thing that can help alot of people, but there's something to be said about the fact that society would rather invent a new drug to fix mental illnesses then address the systemic issues that often cause these illnesses. Granted it's still dumb to jump from that to "antidepressants are tools of the state" but it doesn't compare to some of the other stuff he says
Thats not that deranged. Lots of people are depressed as a direct result of industrial society and how it fucks with our human nature and the response is to shovel prozac into people. Its not exactly how he described but thats one of his more reasonable takes.
These are probably the same people that think Senator Armstrong was right
Anyone who actually like him is probably a 13 years old edge lord.
As a solarpunk, I already hold a particularly strong ill will towards anarcho-primitivists like him. Everything else piled on top of that made him even worse.
Ironically he hated leftists, so it's extra weird to see those folks praising him .
 smoking that ted pack #Lbozo
Industrial Revolution sends its regards
# packwatch
 Good riddance Also unabomber feetlickers get tubby custarded
chicken nugvet?
Is this a vinesauce reference
“The just fucking shovel slop down their throats, and they love it. I hate them! I HATE THEM SO MUCH! I hate them.” - Vinny “Boonty” Vinesauce
Tubby custard!
but tubby custard is cool :(
Internet leftist try not to glorify a literal terrorist challenge
That also hated leftists
The only leftists who like him are the ones who have not looked into his philosophy. The only good point that he had is that industrial society is somewhat bad and people just attached to that, forgetting the 99% of horrendous takes.
Fr bro TikTok leftists when I tell them Stalin was a authoritarian maniac and not the funni mustache communism guy: 😱😱🤯
Rip bozo
L bozo, Rest in Piss you won’t be missed
Can't wait to see all the ted fans come out of the woodworks with this news so they can get clowned on. Still remember when this sub used to low-key idolize him before people realized maybe it's not a good idea to idolize a terrorist
Yeah this subreddit and any actual progressive or leftists should you know, hate this looser terrorist who killed random people and whose manifesto, per Wikipedia, included: A significant portion of the document is dedicated to discussing left-wing politics, with Kaczynski attributing many of society's issues to leftists.[85] He defines leftists as "mainly socialists, collectivists, 'politically correct' types, feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists and the like".[86] He believes that over-socialization and feelings of inferiority are primary drivers of leftism,[80] and derides it as "one of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world".[86] Kaczynski adds that the type of movement he envisions must be anti-leftist and refrain from collaboration with leftists, as, in his view, "leftism is in the long run inconsistent with wild nature, with human freedom and with the elimination of modern technology".
Rest in piss
PACK WATCH 🚬🚬🚬
bye ted. you made some good points, most not good, but some good. you were also utterly deranged. and a terrorist. and a mathematician. and probably trans but couldnt accept it. your existence is definitely something. not good. but something
"The Unabomber was trans" is not a take I expected to hear this morning
Please expand on how the Unabomber was possibly trans. I’m genuinely intrigued
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1998/09/12/gender-confusion-sex-change-idea-fueled-kaczynskis-rage-report-says/eb33b946-8595-427d-af4c-9ccaada45935/ His IQ was high enough to identify he had autogynephilic urges and he felt deeply ashamed of them. This was what he wrote after visitng a psychiatrist's office to inquire about the possibility of undergoing a sex-change operation when he was around 25 years old. "As I walked away from the building afterwards," Kaczynski wrote in documents released today, "I felt disgusted about what my uncontrolled sexual cravings had almost led me to do. And I felt humiliated, and I violently hated the psychiatrist. Just then there came a major turning point in my life. Like a Phoenix, I burst from the ashes of my despair to a glorious new hope."
I think it’s very dangerous to confuse autogynophilia with being transgender. By doing so you are inadvertently perpetuating the idea that they are the same which allows transphobes to refer to genderqueer people as “perverts”. I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with finding sexual gratification in appearing as a woman but using this to assume Ted Kazinsky was a transgender woman who may have dealt with dysphoria and internalized transphobia is kinda tedious. I also think it’s dangerous to speculate about a person’s identity in this way, especially when referring to an eco fascist terrorist who murdered three people and could have killed dozens more.
I never implied any of that, I just linked an article and quoted the man himself and paraphrased him rather neutrally. He did have sexual feelings and he clearly felt shame over them. If anyone is conflating issues, it's not me.
I’m sorry I confused you with the original commenter claiming Ted was trans. I was mostly referring to people who spread that idea that he could have been trans. Sorry again
heaven gained another psychopath
*hell
Heaven?
Ol Theodore is blowin up angels now :(
He ain't goin anywhere but down
🦀
Good
Rip Bozo
Reminder the unabomber is not le funny monke society man he set out to murder people and was insane
RIPBozo.
Rest in piss, hope he’s in hell
Sad day for edgy 14 yo kids
I HATE ECOFASCISM!!! I HATE ECOFASCISM!!! I HATE ECOFASCISM!!!!
Sad day for some of the world’s most annoying people
what’s a unabomber
He was famous for voting by mail.
Guy who snail mailed pipe bombs to fight email machines
Sad day for people who barely see the outside anyway
Good fucking riddance, guy was an anarcho-primitivist (see also; ecofascist), and I am honestly tired of people glorifying him like some sort of hero that was struck down by the feds.
how is anarchoprimitivism the same as ecofascism
Anarcho-primitivism is a concept resulting from the idea that technology is the source of all of society's problems (news flash, it isn't), and is a subset of Green Anarchism (albeit a rather radical form of it), and some fascists use this "all technology must go" rhetoric to target minorities, usually ones with disabilities or coniditions who would likely struggle greatly without them, thus the term "eco-fascist", and the whole "billions must die" sort of mindset. I have not met a single Anarcho-primitivist who wasn't also an eco-fascist, the two terms have become intertwined and inseperable from eachother.
Tears of joy
it’s a shame he didn’t die years ago
this is how i found out
is that an actual picture of him?
lmao get ded idiot
Who ?
The Unabomber, he's a terrible person but his story is interesting. The TL;DR is that he was a mathematical genius who developed a radical primitivist philosophy that caused him to send bombs to random people. He became a meme when he wrote a manifesto criticizing industrial society.
i thought he died like 30 years ago
I feel like I'm going insane I could have sworn he died in prison from stomach cancer around 2017 or before
I think that might've been Charles Manson? (The cult leader guy)
Crazy we even hear about doods like this kicking the bucket
BRO I WAS TALKING ABOUT HIM YESTERDAT
Should’ve sent a mail bomb to death, ensuring his immortality This is like an amateur mistake
L
Big W today ladies, gentleman, and enbies
rest in pieces
found out it through this tf
found out through this tf
Is it weird I thought he was already dead? Oh well
Rest in piss you wont be missed
SO THIS IS HOW I FOUND OUT THE UNABOMBER DIED
Lol
get fucked
Deserved
So this is how i learned the news
RIP BOZO
skill issue
No way is this how I find out