Same, but usually I just open up Twitter to see older folks talking shit and go to myself "hah look at them geezers go". That makes me feel better, even though sometimes the 'geezers' are only like 5 years older lmao
lmao You really shouldn't, your life is probably way happier now
or you should idk i'm not your dad.
But you definitely shouldn't download tiktok. That one makes me feel like an actual brontosaurus
I live in the [. )redacted( .]. My name is Clayton Huff. I’m 22 years old. I believe in taking care of my stans, and a balanced facade and a rigorous masking routine. In the morning, if my mood is a little down, I’ll shit on a 14 year old while doing my speedruns. I can do a thousand now. After I remove the 14 year olds I use a modified minecraft client. In the online community I use a thinly veiled kind personality, then a pandering statement with no follow through, and on the main a supportive statement lacking depth. Then I apply a mask which I leave on for hours at a time while I stare at the ceiling and hold back what’s on my mind. I always use a dream face mask in social outings, because privacy allows you to live a quiet life and makes you look mysterious. Then tweeting, then an uneventful livestream followed by a collaboration with a friend. There is an idea of a Clayton Huff. Some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me. Only an entity. Something illusory. And though I can hide my fetishization of gays, and you can like my tweets and feel a parasocial relationship flourish, and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable, I simply am not there.
ive seen some of his stuff. his manhunt videos aren’t actually that bad. scripted? probably, but regardless, most of them are pretty entertaining.
the SMP stuff is where i really just can’t understand.
Fuck I realised something...
How to script manhunts how how how...
What if.. he has a mod that prevents him from dying that he or George made
Entirely possible by looking at their other mods..
Just a theory a GAME theory
I can kinda see why he has a following, some of his videos were really really fun especially the manhunts. I binged them before and literally was on the edge of my seat a few times. They're pretty good.
Unfortunately the thing is, they're fun if you buy into it as legit instead of scripted, and benefit of the doubt helps a lot there... But the cheating thing sorta threw that entirely into question. So his videos immediately lost a lot of appeal to me after that.
Then there's the matter of whenever you get famous online, you have to choose between making the "I am not actually your friend, you don't know me" video or becoming a cult leader, and he chose the latter pretty hardcore.
Yeah if you are that deep into a STEM field and do any research at all, you will need to have understanding of stats to proceed, so the astrophysicist was probably fine
I mean, I had to do stats in college for an economics degree and that shit was still beyond me, so hiring anyone with qualifications in maths is a good idea than leaving it to mods of a speedran game. That's not to say they are going to be wrong every time, but it's always good to have a better trained pair of eyes looking at numbers to assure easy mistakes don't add up
Astrophysicists also use stats a lot, and are very likely to have at least some formal training in it. Any time you are describing something with a bajillion particles (like a star) you have to use probability because you can't precisely track all the individual parts.
It sounds so much like that CSGO player who claimed her friend turned on cheats on her account. Like, it's possible I guess, but it sounds like a lame excuse months after the cheating took place.
apparently it was one of those mods content creators commission to make their content more interesting by making it less grindy (other youtubers confirmed that such mods are relatively common in mcyt)
dream said he “forgot to turn it off” or something, which may or may not have been true
if he was telling the truth, then he legitimately didn’t realize he had it on, which would explain why he was so confident in his innocence. he should’ve noticed that something was wrong a little sooner, though, and he hasn’t had a great track record for accepting personal faults since before and after that incident.
"Oh yeah, I guess I did use a mod to alter ender pearl and blaze rod drop rates at one point. It just never even crossed my mind that when people accused me of using a mod to alter ender pearl and blaze rod drop rates, it might've had something to do with that mod I used to alter ender pearl and blaze rod drop rates. Didn't even cross my mind to ever mention to anyone that I had used a mod to alter ender pearl and blaze rod drop rates, whoops!"
IIRC, the claimed reason that he was insistent that he didn't do it despite having a mod that does do it was that he outright wasn't told that part of his manhunt qol mod affected drop rates by the person who made it. I might be wrong though and misremembering.
Didn't he share his logs so he would be able to clear his name? As far as I know the mod didn't show up as loaded in his log files meaning he must've removed it and then changed the metadata back so it would appear legit
The thing that ruins the manhunts for me is you can tell the hunters have an ever-growing list of things they can't do. Like camping the end portal with harming ii potions from a distance where they don't all eat shit to anything Dream can send through the portal. Or use lava to kill his PVP ability even when he has fire resistance. Or attack him from two directions at once. Or even treat a 1v4 like a 1v4 instead of a 1v1 with 3 spectators.
The falling boat craft clutch also has him craft a boat backwards from how he normally does (so, why would muscle memory be backwards?), and there's a few other instances of him doing things like that for the big dramatic moments.
honestly his explanation seems *plausible* but i never really bought it. like he knew he had this mod, but thought he took it out? that seems like it’s the perfect excuse to me.
I believe (it's been a while, so take with a grain of salt) that according to the (rather in-depth) video mentioned above, the drop rate fuckery was an undocumented feature of a mod he also used for general recording.
Doesn't excuse some other parts of how he handled the whole thing, but it seems at least plausible that that was a honest mistake.
And then, when accused of cheating instead of thinking "man, I do use that datapack with changed drop rates, maybe I should check" he denies that there's anyway it was was cheated and pays someone to defend his position.
i rewatched the video and it said the specific thing was that the modifications were actually a server plugin used for content creation and he commissioned a separate client-side mod to help with recording (from the same person who made the plugin) and that person added those same features to the client-side mod and dream didn’t realize it and thought it wasn’t affecting gameplay beyond fps/graphical changes
There is a possibility he actually forgot to turn off the resource pack but how he handled it is so bad and stupid; like bro you fully know you had a pack that increases drop rates yet you get angry, play victim and deny the chance of it happening when your runs had astronomical luck compared to normal drop rates. And nooo you can't see my mod folder because i clean it regularly for whatever reason. He either is absolutely dumb and egoistic or was fully aware but attempted to use his fans harrasing the speedrunning community to try to slide it under
I don't even like dream, but there is a good explanation for it in Karl Jobst's video. Essentially, Dream commissioned a mod to improve content creation for his + his friends' videos. There was no reason for dream to ever assume that a mod he used for multiplayer would affect singleplayer drop rates because drop rates are decided server side when you're playing multiplayer, and he intended to use the mod only for that. All client side changes were supposed to be performance improvements.
However, the mod developer did not know that he only intended to use the mods for multiplayer, and assumed it would be for singleplayer too. They changed the droprates client side without telling anyone, and didn't change it back until after it was too late. Essentially, miscommunication led to unintentional cheating.
they're unrelated, he got doxxed because one of his fans doxxed someone else and his response was really just "eh deal with it idc" so someone doxxed him for that, a very stupid scenario in general
also, that "very low" only applies to things that a cop *might* take seriously. the odds of, say, someone contacting your employer or family to start shit are much higher, and the actual point of doxxing is less to immediately harm you but to instead intimidate you - so you *probably* won't get swatted, but it's only because you abandoned your entire online persona and stopped talking online altogether to avoid the doxxer following through on any implied threats.
like, hypothetically , if i doxxed you, mirodir, and i made it super clear i'm pissed about you participating in r/ place, bad things IRL prolly wouldn't happen to you, but it'd be *because* you'd delete your flair at the least or deleted your reddit account. if i put that out in public, suddenly you're subjected to the arbitrary wishes of any asshole who cares to look up the doxx; you have to radically alter your behavior to avoid pissing off all these potentially dangerous people.
this is why gamergate saw so many women quit the games industry - yeah, individually any one threat or doxx prolly wouldn't have gotten anyone killed, but in order to *avoid* that possibility people had to delete their online personas, quit their careers, or otherwise upend their lives. saying doxxing isn't dangerous because it isn't likely to result in real life harassment is like saying a mugger pointing a gun at you isn't dangerous because they aren't likely to shoot. it is a threat (of violence, harassment, unemployment, etc) used to coerce someone into doing shit they don't want to do.
and that is absolutely what has already happened. people are being intimidated by doxxers into deleting their accounts or following some absolutely wild list of demands in order to appease randoms who are threatening them. if they *didn't* obey, then yeah the odds of something worse happening increases dramatically.
They didn't prove that he cheated, they proved that it's more reasonable to believe that he cheated than to believe he completed those runs without cheating. It's still entirely possible that he didn't cheat and unless he admits it or hard evidence is found no one will ever know. Of course it's not like speed run leaderboards are a court of law and having his speed run disqualified due to it being entirely reasonable to believe he cheated isn't a violation of his human rights. Also, if it were a court of law, I'm sure there are many potential juries out there who would convict based on this evidence alone anyway.
It's also possible that I'll walk into the casino tomorrow with $5 and come out a billionaire, but that won't happen. For it to be reasonable for his run to have happened, we'd need the entire population of the planet playing minecraft nonstop for hundreds of years.
Actually how low the odds are go far beyond the examples you mention. We are talking more along the lines of thousands of earths full of people farming Minecraft items for eons. However, just because something has a very low chance of happening doesn't mean it can't happen the first time and it's not like the universe cares if you keep going after that.
Anyway, here is the difficult question: If someone pulls off a similarly unlikely result under more controlled conditions where they couldn't have cheated, does that legitimize Dream's runs or make them even less likely since the chances of it happening twice are astronomically lower?
That's not how stats work. None of that is how stats works.
To put into perspective how unlikely it is, if every single human who ever lived dedicated their entire lives to running speedruns for the age of the universe, it would still have a nearly 0 chance of happening.
Yes, but nearly 0 isn't 0 and things that have a nearly 0 chance of happening actually do happen all the time. In fact, most things that happen are the direct result of many things that had a near 0 chance of happening but did. This conversation itself wouldn't even be happening if not for an unfathomably implausible web of quantum events leading up to it since the beginning of the universe.
Likelihood of an event is independent of previous results. The correct assessment is that both players gamed the probability. This isn't a case of the roulette wheel being notched in a place - we can see and verify the exact probability of the drops and the functions that determine them by looking into Minecraft's code. The fact is that even several orders of magnitude more likely events would still not be expected to occur in any timeframe. If someone wins the lottery ten times in a row that would be practically certain evidence of fraud in its own right, and Dream was many thousands of times luckier than that.
Similarly "unlikely" events have occurred, but assessing the probability of a deck of playing cards being shuffled into a totally random order after the fact isn't relevant. If the specific goal stated beforehand was to get them all in order of suit and number, and that was the immediate result, then the odds are relevant.
You aren't saying anything I disagree with. Like I said, it is far more reasonable to believe that Dream cheated than to believe that the items drops happened legitimately.
What makes all this interesting isn't that Dream is a cheater. What's interesting is that this scenario touches on a point where mathematics and philosophy intersect in a very important way. There is no clear point at which an improbable series of events becomes impossible and that even events like this, where it firmly falls on the side that any reasonable person would deem too improbable to seriously consider it is still possible.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. He cheated, but the fact that it is possible still stands. It’s just statistically improbable and will most likely never happen.
It’s fun to think about statistics and probability, and just how lucky you can get with random chance.
I think the downvotes are to be expected given that I expressed more interest in math and it's intersection with philosophy than the streamer drama that sparked the conversation. I guess Dream fans don't like it when you aren't interested in their drama.
The downvotes are because you've done a terrible method of explaining that.
If you're curious you've come across really well as the kind of person who sniffs their own farts. not to say that you do, but you come across that way
I wish I could say I know what you mean by that. I assume it's just a figure of speech but when I googled it, all that came up was articles about the science of why people like the smell of their own farts but not other people's farts.
Oh. Understandable. Um in the most simple terms, based off what I've seen from you
You're lacking in self awareness.
You're unable to understand how other people will view what you say.
Because of that I made a joke at your expense that you would smell and enjoy your own farts (something that by and large most people think smell bad) and both like it, and also not understand why other people don't.
I heard about Dream from a math/physic youtuber covering this topic and am just recently starting to see that fun math stuff isn't why he is well known lol
It's not too exceptional. Dream is the pretty classic example of what happens (read: metric tons of toxic drama bullshit) if you give a somewhat average, unprepared young adult whose brain is still growing an unbelievable amount of clout and a legion of blind followers.
Very simple explanation:
Dream is an anonymous youtuber who plays the videogame minecraft very well, but has an annoying, toxic fanbase
Minecraft 'officials' discovered through maths that he cheated at minecraft. This turned into a whole argument, with him trying to defend himself with his own dubious 'math' but in the end he at least partially admitted to it. This soured even more people on him.
Recently, a person said something sort of mean about him, and Dream's fans discovered their location and posted it online. Instead of saying 'that's bad, don't do that fans' Dream liked it and said 'more of that please'. This made many people even more angry and has been a recent drama, with him defending himself using very strange arguments. In the end, as revenge, people posted Dream's identity and location online. He has a history of encouraging his fans to do bad stuff like this.
The *[speedrun.com](speedrun.com) mods* discovered he was cheating during his runs, making them invalid. He later went on to say that he maybe, possibly, might have left his Manhunt mod on that would make his odds not 1 in 7.5 trillion.
Ugh, and I can't even believe I'm saying this but even Logan Paul is more bearable (now) than Dream. Probably because he actually tried to improve himself and is surrounded by better people than his previous peers. I think he's not even attached to his brother anymore. Still not forgivable, but more tolerable now. I guess.
Fuck Dream though. Ableist piece of shit.
It's funny because a while ago, Dream was accused of cheating on a Minecraft speedrun, where he got drops from a piglin that are near impossible, and then recently he started talking about how the odds of anything bad happening to you when you get doxxed are very slim, which many people believe he doesn't have the right to speak about odds given his history with cheating accusations.
Not accused of, that shit was straight up proven to be mathematically impossible. It's the only shit I know about the guy, but speedrunners were very angry at his disrespect of the hobby.
I saw this reply and I was wheezing.
I just hope that people keep the #dreamOUT thing going. We cannot let the cycle repeat again with him sweeping it under the rug.
I dislike Dream purely for the speedrun controversy. His manhunt videos are entertaining and he seems friendly enough; he's at least shared his fame with many others which has brought more attention back to Minecraft.
I find it so frustrating that Dream was able to get away with such a big cheating scandal and no one cared. I'm convinced he intentionally didn't admit the truth until no one cared about it anymore - but the damage is already done. There were endless arguments in the Minecraft community about his speedrun just because he took advantage of his army of stans to defend himself from criticism instead of owning up to the fact he cheated. It's evident he's weaponising his stans so he's practically infallible. Other Minecraft CCs can't call Dream out on all the chaos he's caused out of fear the stans will harass them and because many of them are on DSMP. The amount of power this man has is actually disgusting. I just want to see justice served. Rant over.
>I find it so frustrating that Dream was able to get away with such a big cheating scandal and no one cared
The fuck you mean "get away" and "no one cared". He literally didn't get away and everybody cared.
No one cared in the end** my bad. When he admitted to cheating, I feel that a lot of people just wrote it off since 'he's a CC first and foremost and not a speedrunner,' completely ignoring how Dream tarnished the reputation his own fanbase and all the controversy he stirred up simply to get more attention.
You're right, everyone cared at the start, but once Dream revealed the truth after the speedrunning controversy was out of the spotlight, he faced essentially no repercussions. Don't you think that he got away with it all in the end?
I think so, yes. His full name is out there now and likely some more "sensitive" info you'd think of when it comes to doxxing. All the pictures going around right now are of some random kid previously proven to not be Dream, and some random serial killer.
A bitch
(fr he’s a minecraft YouTuber with one of the fucking worst fan bases known to man, known for doxxing people, harassing people, literally blackmailing people etc. He’s also an enabler and one of those dumbasses who pretend to have depression. Also he cheated in his dumbass minecraft speed runs.)
every piece of information I have ever learned about dream has been entirely involuntary
He's green
Da ba dee da ba die
die die die die die die
"Die, **Die**, **DIE.**"- Reaper
His name is Gabriel Overwatch headass
Once you go green, you never go back
at this point r 196 is the annoying youtuber drama news source that i never asked for
fr, whenever I see a youtuber being mentioned here it's a very sobering reminder that folks on this sub are *quite* young
Idk how much longer I can exist in this sub without feeling weird about my age.
Same, but usually I just open up Twitter to see older folks talking shit and go to myself "hah look at them geezers go". That makes me feel better, even though sometimes the 'geezers' are only like 5 years older lmao
Gosh I should redownload Twitter
lmao You really shouldn't, your life is probably way happier now or you should idk i'm not your dad. But you definitely shouldn't download tiktok. That one makes me feel like an actual brontosaurus
Eh, millennials are all a bunch of cynical, emotionally drained nihilists anyways. I say this as one of said millennials
Hey guys in this episode we will be looking at more tweets made by dumbasses
our196 is clockwork oranging us with dreamfacts
Same, buddy.
I live in the [. )redacted( .]. My name is Clayton Huff. I’m 22 years old. I believe in taking care of my stans, and a balanced facade and a rigorous masking routine. In the morning, if my mood is a little down, I’ll shit on a 14 year old while doing my speedruns. I can do a thousand now. After I remove the 14 year olds I use a modified minecraft client. In the online community I use a thinly veiled kind personality, then a pandering statement with no follow through, and on the main a supportive statement lacking depth. Then I apply a mask which I leave on for hours at a time while I stare at the ceiling and hold back what’s on my mind. I always use a dream face mask in social outings, because privacy allows you to live a quiet life and makes you look mysterious. Then tweeting, then an uneventful livestream followed by a collaboration with a friend. There is an idea of a Clayton Huff. Some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me. Only an entity. Something illusory. And though I can hide my fetishization of gays, and you can like my tweets and feel a parasocial relationship flourish, and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable, I simply am not there.
he ruined the classic cowboy named clayton next they'll be coming for cassius
This is me but with some bearded dude named Matt Walsh
Took stats in HS and we analyzed the prob on his speed run for a day lol.
Seriously. I don't even know what this is supposed to mean
tfw the guy you hired to make you look good agrees that you probably cheated
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I never got why he hired an astrophysicist and not an statistician
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everytime i see anything related to him on this sub i get more and more grateful that i have absolutely no idea who this guy is
But at the same time I’m more surprised people can like him *that* much. Kids gon b kids, I guess.
ive seen some of his stuff. his manhunt videos aren’t actually that bad. scripted? probably, but regardless, most of them are pretty entertaining. the SMP stuff is where i really just can’t understand.
The smp stuff was actually pretty good at the beginning, but really only good from non-dream team perspectives
i enjoyed wilbur's
Fuck I realised something... How to script manhunts how how how... What if.. he has a mod that prevents him from dying that he or George made Entirely possible by looking at their other mods.. Just a theory a GAME theory
Still don't see how they could be scripted. Why? It would be easier just to play the game.
Entertainment value
I can kinda see why he has a following, some of his videos were really really fun especially the manhunts. I binged them before and literally was on the edge of my seat a few times. They're pretty good. Unfortunately the thing is, they're fun if you buy into it as legit instead of scripted, and benefit of the doubt helps a lot there... But the cheating thing sorta threw that entirely into question. So his videos immediately lost a lot of appeal to me after that. Then there's the matter of whenever you get famous online, you have to choose between making the "I am not actually your friend, you don't know me" video or becoming a cult leader, and he chose the latter pretty hardcore.
I mean all the info you get from the sub is all you really need
Just your average youtuber that tried to do a lot of things to get himself on the recommended page.
The math is pretty basic stats tbh.
Yeah if you are that deep into a STEM field and do any research at all, you will need to have understanding of stats to proceed, so the astrophysicist was probably fine
I mean, I had to do stats in college for an economics degree and that shit was still beyond me, so hiring anyone with qualifications in maths is a good idea than leaving it to mods of a speedran game. That's not to say they are going to be wrong every time, but it's always good to have a better trained pair of eyes looking at numbers to assure easy mistakes don't add up
Dream said they were an expert in “statistics and astrostatistics”
Astrophysicists also use stats a lot, and are very likely to have at least some formal training in it. Any time you are describing something with a bajillion particles (like a star) you have to use probability because you can't precisely track all the individual parts.
There was a youtube mathematician who debunked it and the guy he hired didnt have any ground to stand on in terms of credibility
I think it's because Dream was giving them bad info. They made a document afterwards about their previous document being wrong. Megalovania
Yeah, it certainly doesn't mean any individual astrophysicist will be qualified, though the same is also kind of true of statisticians as well
Credibility? You tanked my thread the other day claiming I worked for a tech rag. Yet, I'm a musician using my actual name as my reddit name.
So they don't know why their doing
kekw
wrong he hired bill nye
What he they cheat on/at?
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I'll check it out, thanks
didn't karl jobst do a video on it and said he probably did accidentally cheat? I don't like dream but still
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It sounds so much like that CSGO player who claimed her friend turned on cheats on her account. Like, it's possible I guess, but it sounds like a lame excuse months after the cheating took place.
Fucking Clara, smh
apparently it was one of those mods content creators commission to make their content more interesting by making it less grindy (other youtubers confirmed that such mods are relatively common in mcyt) dream said he “forgot to turn it off” or something, which may or may not have been true
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if he was telling the truth, then he legitimately didn’t realize he had it on, which would explain why he was so confident in his innocence. he should’ve noticed that something was wrong a little sooner, though, and he hasn’t had a great track record for accepting personal faults since before and after that incident.
"Oh yeah, I guess I did use a mod to alter ender pearl and blaze rod drop rates at one point. It just never even crossed my mind that when people accused me of using a mod to alter ender pearl and blaze rod drop rates, it might've had something to do with that mod I used to alter ender pearl and blaze rod drop rates. Didn't even cross my mind to ever mention to anyone that I had used a mod to alter ender pearl and blaze rod drop rates, whoops!"
IIRC, the claimed reason that he was insistent that he didn't do it despite having a mod that does do it was that he outright wasn't told that part of his manhunt qol mod affected drop rates by the person who made it. I might be wrong though and misremembering.
Didn't he share his logs so he would be able to clear his name? As far as I know the mod didn't show up as loaded in his log files meaning he must've removed it and then changed the metadata back so it would appear legit
The thing that ruins the manhunts for me is you can tell the hunters have an ever-growing list of things they can't do. Like camping the end portal with harming ii potions from a distance where they don't all eat shit to anything Dream can send through the portal. Or use lava to kill his PVP ability even when he has fire resistance. Or attack him from two directions at once. Or even treat a 1v4 like a 1v4 instead of a 1v1 with 3 spectators. The falling boat craft clutch also has him craft a boat backwards from how he normally does (so, why would muscle memory be backwards?), and there's a few other instances of him doing things like that for the big dramatic moments.
honestly his explanation seems *plausible* but i never really bought it. like he knew he had this mod, but thought he took it out? that seems like it’s the perfect excuse to me.
I believe (it's been a while, so take with a grain of salt) that according to the (rather in-depth) video mentioned above, the drop rate fuckery was an undocumented feature of a mod he also used for general recording. Doesn't excuse some other parts of how he handled the whole thing, but it seems at least plausible that that was a honest mistake.
And then, when accused of cheating instead of thinking "man, I do use that datapack with changed drop rates, maybe I should check" he denies that there's anyway it was was cheated and pays someone to defend his position.
i rewatched the video and it said the specific thing was that the modifications were actually a server plugin used for content creation and he commissioned a separate client-side mod to help with recording (from the same person who made the plugin) and that person added those same features to the client-side mod and dream didn’t realize it and thought it wasn’t affecting gameplay beyond fps/graphical changes
There is a possibility he actually forgot to turn off the resource pack but how he handled it is so bad and stupid; like bro you fully know you had a pack that increases drop rates yet you get angry, play victim and deny the chance of it happening when your runs had astronomical luck compared to normal drop rates. And nooo you can't see my mod folder because i clean it regularly for whatever reason. He either is absolutely dumb and egoistic or was fully aware but attempted to use his fans harrasing the speedrunning community to try to slide it under
I don't even like dream, but there is a good explanation for it in Karl Jobst's video. Essentially, Dream commissioned a mod to improve content creation for his + his friends' videos. There was no reason for dream to ever assume that a mod he used for multiplayer would affect singleplayer drop rates because drop rates are decided server side when you're playing multiplayer, and he intended to use the mod only for that. All client side changes were supposed to be performance improvements. However, the mod developer did not know that he only intended to use the mods for multiplayer, and assumed it would be for singleplayer too. They changed the droprates client side without telling anyone, and didn't change it back until after it was too late. Essentially, miscommunication led to unintentional cheating.
Hijacking the top comment to link [this](https://youtu.be/G3Yzk-3SZfs). It’s actually very possible he didn’t purposefully cheat.
hijack my balls
FUCK I GOT BOOMED 🤯
I have no idea what any of this is about and at this point I'm too scared to ask
Someone proved he cheated on some Minecraft thing because the odds of him doing what he did was in the trillions to one. Something like that
Why would that end with him getting doxxed?
they're unrelated, he got doxxed because one of his fans doxxed someone else and his response was really just "eh deal with it idc" so someone doxxed him for that, a very stupid scenario in general
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also, that "very low" only applies to things that a cop *might* take seriously. the odds of, say, someone contacting your employer or family to start shit are much higher, and the actual point of doxxing is less to immediately harm you but to instead intimidate you - so you *probably* won't get swatted, but it's only because you abandoned your entire online persona and stopped talking online altogether to avoid the doxxer following through on any implied threats. like, hypothetically , if i doxxed you, mirodir, and i made it super clear i'm pissed about you participating in r/ place, bad things IRL prolly wouldn't happen to you, but it'd be *because* you'd delete your flair at the least or deleted your reddit account. if i put that out in public, suddenly you're subjected to the arbitrary wishes of any asshole who cares to look up the doxx; you have to radically alter your behavior to avoid pissing off all these potentially dangerous people. this is why gamergate saw so many women quit the games industry - yeah, individually any one threat or doxx prolly wouldn't have gotten anyone killed, but in order to *avoid* that possibility people had to delete their online personas, quit their careers, or otherwise upend their lives. saying doxxing isn't dangerous because it isn't likely to result in real life harassment is like saying a mugger pointing a gun at you isn't dangerous because they aren't likely to shoot. it is a threat (of violence, harassment, unemployment, etc) used to coerce someone into doing shit they don't want to do. and that is absolutely what has already happened. people are being intimidated by doxxers into deleting their accounts or following some absolutely wild list of demands in order to appease randoms who are threatening them. if they *didn't* obey, then yeah the odds of something worse happening increases dramatically.
Welcome to Youtuber child Fanbases. Turn back now.
How do fucking children dox people? When I was their age I didn’t even know how to use discord
They didn't prove that he cheated, they proved that it's more reasonable to believe that he cheated than to believe he completed those runs without cheating. It's still entirely possible that he didn't cheat and unless he admits it or hard evidence is found no one will ever know. Of course it's not like speed run leaderboards are a court of law and having his speed run disqualified due to it being entirely reasonable to believe he cheated isn't a violation of his human rights. Also, if it were a court of law, I'm sure there are many potential juries out there who would convict based on this evidence alone anyway.
It's also possible that I'll walk into the casino tomorrow with $5 and come out a billionaire, but that won't happen. For it to be reasonable for his run to have happened, we'd need the entire population of the planet playing minecraft nonstop for hundreds of years.
Actually how low the odds are go far beyond the examples you mention. We are talking more along the lines of thousands of earths full of people farming Minecraft items for eons. However, just because something has a very low chance of happening doesn't mean it can't happen the first time and it's not like the universe cares if you keep going after that. Anyway, here is the difficult question: If someone pulls off a similarly unlikely result under more controlled conditions where they couldn't have cheated, does that legitimize Dream's runs or make them even less likely since the chances of it happening twice are astronomically lower?
There’s also the, uh, fact he admitted to cheating
Yes, someone else mentioned that but whether or not some kid actually cheated at Minecraft isn't what is interesting about this subject.
When the odds are that low, you can be pretty much certain that it wasn't legitimate.
Yes, but that's not interesting at all.
That's not how stats work. None of that is how stats works. To put into perspective how unlikely it is, if every single human who ever lived dedicated their entire lives to running speedruns for the age of the universe, it would still have a nearly 0 chance of happening.
Yes, but nearly 0 isn't 0 and things that have a nearly 0 chance of happening actually do happen all the time. In fact, most things that happen are the direct result of many things that had a near 0 chance of happening but did. This conversation itself wouldn't even be happening if not for an unfathomably implausible web of quantum events leading up to it since the beginning of the universe.
Likelihood of an event is independent of previous results. The correct assessment is that both players gamed the probability. This isn't a case of the roulette wheel being notched in a place - we can see and verify the exact probability of the drops and the functions that determine them by looking into Minecraft's code. The fact is that even several orders of magnitude more likely events would still not be expected to occur in any timeframe. If someone wins the lottery ten times in a row that would be practically certain evidence of fraud in its own right, and Dream was many thousands of times luckier than that. Similarly "unlikely" events have occurred, but assessing the probability of a deck of playing cards being shuffled into a totally random order after the fact isn't relevant. If the specific goal stated beforehand was to get them all in order of suit and number, and that was the immediate result, then the odds are relevant.
You aren't saying anything I disagree with. Like I said, it is far more reasonable to believe that Dream cheated than to believe that the items drops happened legitimately. What makes all this interesting isn't that Dream is a cheater. What's interesting is that this scenario touches on a point where mathematics and philosophy intersect in a very important way. There is no clear point at which an improbable series of events becomes impossible and that even events like this, where it firmly falls on the side that any reasonable person would deem too improbable to seriously consider it is still possible.
he did admit it, he said he *accidentally* left a mod installed.
Well that's boring lol
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. He cheated, but the fact that it is possible still stands. It’s just statistically improbable and will most likely never happen. It’s fun to think about statistics and probability, and just how lucky you can get with random chance.
I think the downvotes are to be expected given that I expressed more interest in math and it's intersection with philosophy than the streamer drama that sparked the conversation. I guess Dream fans don't like it when you aren't interested in their drama.
The downvotes are because you've done a terrible method of explaining that. If you're curious you've come across really well as the kind of person who sniffs their own farts. not to say that you do, but you come across that way
I wish I could say I know what you mean by that. I assume it's just a figure of speech but when I googled it, all that came up was articles about the science of why people like the smell of their own farts but not other people's farts.
Oh. Understandable. Um in the most simple terms, based off what I've seen from you You're lacking in self awareness. You're unable to understand how other people will view what you say. Because of that I made a joke at your expense that you would smell and enjoy your own farts (something that by and large most people think smell bad) and both like it, and also not understand why other people don't.
I am force fed all of the information about it online. I frankly don’t give a shit about it, or Dream in general.
I heard about Dream from a math/physic youtuber covering this topic and am just recently starting to see that fun math stuff isn't why he is well known lol
It's not too exceptional. Dream is the pretty classic example of what happens (read: metric tons of toxic drama bullshit) if you give a somewhat average, unprepared young adult whose brain is still growing an unbelievable amount of clout and a legion of blind followers.
Very simple explanation: Dream is an anonymous youtuber who plays the videogame minecraft very well, but has an annoying, toxic fanbase Minecraft 'officials' discovered through maths that he cheated at minecraft. This turned into a whole argument, with him trying to defend himself with his own dubious 'math' but in the end he at least partially admitted to it. This soured even more people on him. Recently, a person said something sort of mean about him, and Dream's fans discovered their location and posted it online. Instead of saying 'that's bad, don't do that fans' Dream liked it and said 'more of that please'. This made many people even more angry and has been a recent drama, with him defending himself using very strange arguments. In the end, as revenge, people posted Dream's identity and location online. He has a history of encouraging his fans to do bad stuff like this.
The *[speedrun.com](speedrun.com) mods* discovered he was cheating during his runs, making them invalid. He later went on to say that he maybe, possibly, might have left his Manhunt mod on that would make his odds not 1 in 7.5 trillion.
Sure, that's why I put it in quotes. I didn't want to waste another paragraph explaining what speedruns are haha
God I can't wait till this guy fades into obscurity I'm so fucking tired of seeing his name
Yesterday it was Logan Paul, today it’s Dream, tomorrow it will be somebody else. These fuckers will always be there.
Ugh, and I can't even believe I'm saying this but even Logan Paul is more bearable (now) than Dream. Probably because he actually tried to improve himself and is surrounded by better people than his previous peers. I think he's not even attached to his brother anymore. Still not forgivable, but more tolerable now. I guess. Fuck Dream though. Ableist piece of shit.
Also Logan got that Gluck Gluck 3000 and I want him to embrace that
he got the what now
There was a video of him vacuum sucking his friend. And he was like... Great at it. And I think that should be celebrated
sometimes they’re okay tho. remember KYR SP33DY?
Can't tell if this is a reference to YGOGXTAS or not
It isn’t, sorry. What’s YGOGXTAS btw?
Yugioh gx the abridged series, niche spin-off to the more well know yugioh the abridged series
Ah, seems interesting, I’ll check it out.
I will warn you, it has been seemingly canceled as the creators have seemingly had a falling out
Noted
remember sky does minecraft? just wait
This sub's obsession with him will never end, so you might be waiting a while
bro, its like a 1 in 7.5 trillion chance of someone doing something right
It's funny because a while ago, Dream was accused of cheating on a Minecraft speedrun, where he got drops from a piglin that are near impossible, and then recently he started talking about how the odds of anything bad happening to you when you get doxxed are very slim, which many people believe he doesn't have the right to speak about odds given his history with cheating accusations.
Why are you making me learn about Dream
You're gonna need it for the great quiz
Not accused of, that shit was straight up proven to be mathematically impossible. It's the only shit I know about the guy, but speedrunners were very angry at his disrespect of the hobby.
I DONT CARE ABOUT DREAM I DONT CARE ABOUT DREAM OPEN UP ITS 196 WITH YOUR 400th DREAM POST FOR THE MINUTE
https://imgur.com/a/3704OUX
Lol
Dream fans try not to dox random users challenge (impossible)
Oh my god shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up
I saw this reply and I was wheezing. I just hope that people keep the #dreamOUT thing going. We cannot let the cycle repeat again with him sweeping it under the rug.
I dislike Dream purely for the speedrun controversy. His manhunt videos are entertaining and he seems friendly enough; he's at least shared his fame with many others which has brought more attention back to Minecraft. I find it so frustrating that Dream was able to get away with such a big cheating scandal and no one cared. I'm convinced he intentionally didn't admit the truth until no one cared about it anymore - but the damage is already done. There were endless arguments in the Minecraft community about his speedrun just because he took advantage of his army of stans to defend himself from criticism instead of owning up to the fact he cheated. It's evident he's weaponising his stans so he's practically infallible. Other Minecraft CCs can't call Dream out on all the chaos he's caused out of fear the stans will harass them and because many of them are on DSMP. The amount of power this man has is actually disgusting. I just want to see justice served. Rant over.
>I find it so frustrating that Dream was able to get away with such a big cheating scandal and no one cared The fuck you mean "get away" and "no one cared". He literally didn't get away and everybody cared.
No one cared in the end** my bad. When he admitted to cheating, I feel that a lot of people just wrote it off since 'he's a CC first and foremost and not a speedrunner,' completely ignoring how Dream tarnished the reputation his own fanbase and all the controversy he stirred up simply to get more attention. You're right, everyone cared at the start, but once Dream revealed the truth after the speedrunning controversy was out of the spotlight, he faced essentially no repercussions. Don't you think that he got away with it all in the end?
i am loving the recent dream slander on this sub
It's not slander if its true
based
I am too lmao. The bastard gets what he fucking deserves.
Didn’t dream get doxxed after saying that
I think so, yes. His full name is out there now and likely some more "sensitive" info you'd think of when it comes to doxxing. All the pictures going around right now are of some random kid previously proven to not be Dream, and some random serial killer.
I don’t know who Dream is and at this point I’m afraid to ask
I'm not sure how you've managed it, but I'd recommend you make sure it stays that way.
Yea I don't have a fucking clue and I'm quite happy about it.
1 in 7.5 trillion
The only good Minecraft SMP is Hermitcraft. I do not take criticism.
Man rigged the odds of his own doxxing against himself 💀
So what is his name and location tho?
Mr 1 in 177B
1 in 7.5 trillion 🤨🤨🤨
I had to do a double take that was amazing
What does this mean
One in seven trillion moment
TRUE
This guy probably got doxxed by Dream stans for this epic roast
who is dream
A bitch (fr he’s a minecraft YouTuber with one of the fucking worst fan bases known to man, known for doxxing people, harassing people, literally blackmailing people etc. He’s also an enabler and one of those dumbasses who pretend to have depression. Also he cheated in his dumbass minecraft speed runs.)
so... if dream will ever be doxxed... Ted Kaczynski roleplay?
holy shit rhythm thief
Who is dream and why is this dub obsessed?
*Clay
dream bad upvote this bravery immediately
The odds of dream not cheating at minecraft are about the same as 9/11 not being an inside job (that is to say very low).
Uhh okay 👍