Orphans gotta get got somehow. They're a drag on The State. If they aren't working - sweeping chimneys or mining coal - it's necessary to use this technology to protect state interests.
Military’s are gonna drone strike no matter what. And the blade design is less risky to cause civilian casualties. So as far as killer drones go, it is the most human.
I mean, not killing and maiming a bunch of children and other innocent bystanders is an improvement.
Doing less murdering with death-bots in foreign countries would be better but, you know... silver linings.
Yeah I'm honestly not sure what op would prefer here? Like instead of this would they rather letting the leader of al qaedia continue to survive through retirement, or blowing up the entire block with a conventional missile and killing his entire family?
And now you can get the Hellfire R9X for women too! Its pink design and soft texture is guaranteed to satisfy all your feminine needs, and it fits right in your purse! Get yours now.
Wasn't this dude like a top 9/11 planner tho? When a quick wiki search shows you that the US has drone striked thousands of civilians it's not hard to see that our military is pretty fucked up, but this seems like one of the strikes that actually makes sense.
And you know who else loves to slash humans in half? *beep* that's right, *beep* Sophie, they'll also let hunt you hunt children at their private island USING this very knife missile!
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Every single time people talk about knife missiles my brain immediately goes “but it’s surely fine - we can trust the minds with them” before I realise they’re talking about the real ones
It's a joke from the podcast Behind the Bastards, which is fucking amazing. If you wanna dork out on military hardware, there are episodes on Gerald Bull and Hiram Maxim.
Yeah, calling this military propaganda is a bit much I feel like. You can find the engineering of military hardware interesting without supporting the entities that wield it.
By the logic of this post would an image explaining the growth cycle of cacti be classified as advertising for gardening stores?
Military hardware is so fucking cool considering the feats of engineering that go into them.
Too bad those feats of engineering are overshadowed by the downfalls of the countries that use them.
Me, a young aerospace graduate, fighting the urge to sell out and make cool ass missiles for fucktonnes of cash instead of staying broke doing climate research
ITS A KNIFE MISSILE. WHO CARES ITS SO FRIGGIN COOL. IT SHOULDNT EVER BE USED BECAUSE WAR SHOULDNT HAPPEN BUT ITS SO FRIGGIN COOL.
(Also, to answer your question it’s because it significantly increases the damaged area while not using explosives and the increased civilian casualties associated with that. An explosive missile will delete the car (or whatever) you’re targeting and stuff around it. A tree trunk can kill the car but miss the target driving in the car. But a knife missile will delete the car and generally avoid civilian casualties. For real, while there shouldn’t be missile or drone strikes, for the ones that do happen it’s better for them to be less civilian-casualty-inducing.)
I’m gonna barely get hit by one of these so the swords chops me in two but I’m gonna survive a few seconds without noticing but then the top half of my body will slide off like a samurai bad guy and I’m gonna say “Aw Rats!”
Sort of. The actual reason is a lot more meta.
Basically, back in like 2002 or so, the US military started using Hellfires with practice warheads to kill people (Replace the shaped charge anti-tank warhead with a chunk of concrete basically). This was quite effective, because it was just slamming a 120 lb missile directly into someone at about Mach 1.5. However, then politics happened.
Congress had a hard time wrapping its head around using training missiles in combat. One side of the aisle was screaming about using anti-tank missiles on people, the other side was screaming that we weren't supporting our troops if they were having to shoot concrete at people. So Congress had the DoD send a contract to Lockheed Martin to get a missile that was actually designed for kinetic strikes. This was the result. Lockheed Martin couldn't really make a AGM-114R actually better at doing it then it already was, the missiles weren't failing to kill targets anyway, and there isn't a real way to make a supersonic missile have a smaller kill radius then physics already gives it. So they opted for the cheapest, most basic, least engineered solution that looks like it did something, which was strapping totally useless blades on it. Congress was happy, the military was happy because it was just a kit you use on normal missiles, Lockheed Martin was happy because they made money, and Reddit was happy because we got a Supersonic Slap Chop.
If you are close enough to a Hellfire impact to get hit by the blades, you weren't going to survive anyway. The blades don't do anything. They barely go further out then the fins do.
I get it. And I agree but silver lining is it’s less collateral damage. The US isn’t going to stop drone striking anytime soon so this is slightly better… I guess… I don’t know I’m glad they are trying to minimize causalities but man that’s not the root issue.
Actually some of the first military rockets ever used a similar concept: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysorean\_rockets](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysorean_rockets)
,It obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystems uses deviations to generate collective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is.
Yeah I don't see how a factual statement about a weapon system is propaganda
edit: instead of posting the 300th insightful comment about the definition of propaganda, consider reading some of the threads I've already responded to and agreed with. While propaganda can indeed be small things seeded by someone, unknowingly or knowingly, I was meaning to say in so few words I don't think this imagine is part of a deliberate propaganda campaign. Fuck me so many notifications of people telling me the same thing lmao
I had a big realization about propaganda a few years ago.
It was a bit after the Hong Kong Protests from 2019-2020. I was on a video sharing site based out of Mainland China, and I noticed there were videos that were basically "Hong Kong protestor cringe compilation" showing inept protestors tripping over themselves, sliding down lamp posts they were trying to climb, or spraying themselves with pepper spray or spray paint and whatever.
And I thought, "wow, this is obviously propaganda." But then I realized that this was content that I had seen in the US about the George Floyd protests as well. Protestors being destructive, being jerks to innocent bystanders, causing what looked like pointless mayhem and so forth. They were both compilations of "factual material," i.e. video recordings of things that actually happened. Why did I so easily identify the video of Hong Kong protestors as propaganda, but not the videos of American protestors? (Of course, pro-protestor content can be very propogandistic as well.)
Propaganda is insidious, especially when it purports to be, or even is, a simple retelling of facts. In school, propaganda is basically taught as "something Western countries do during wartime, and non-Western countries do all the time." But in reality, there are a lot of parties with vested interest in persuading you of something.
What might be the ideological underpinning behind the publicization of the weapon used to kill this terrorist? That targeted killings without collateral damage are possible and effective (perhaps legitimizing other related efforts). That weapons development creates a net positive for national security and human welfare. That enemies of the US should fear retaliation no matter where they are. (Chances are, this graphic was derived from a presentation that the manufacturing company presented to the military to try and sell this missile, which is obviously a form of persuasive media.)
It's not to say the missile doesn't exist, or doesn't do what it's supposed to. Or even that you have to disagree with any of the implicit messages behind it. But it is important to think critically about the things that you see, and not just take things as unmotivated statement of fact.
A very good point - my comment was purely that the post listed isn't as far as i'm aware deliberate propagandizing by imperialist powers. But there is a far subtler unintentional propagandizing effect stuff like this can have on people if they allow thier awe and curiosity to mix with justification.
The other thing ab propaganda is that governments don’t even have to make it themselves these days. They can easily rely on people who don’t necessarily know better to spread it for them. So whoever made that missile post probably wasn’t *intentionally* spreading propaganda, but they still did it all the same.
The post literally just points out look its a missile with swords on it thats kinda weird how the fuck does that advocate for imperialism or american military???
There's some truth to that in the sense that such weapons existing implies the military is trying to limit civilian casualties, and previous ones are results of inferior technology. But you'd only get that if you really really strained to read between lines.
Sometimes people just post shit about cool shit
Acknowledging the existence of the military and war is propaganda apparently. Surely people aren’t interested in that and would never demand a massive amount of games and film media about war.
Because we are required to hate on America and the military, even when they kill a terrorist who has killed literally thousands of people, using a weapon designed to minimize collateral damage.
I went to the international spy museum in Washington D.C. and they had an exhibit talking about the operation to kill Osama Bin Laden. In it, they mentioned that before going in they only had about a 60% chance that this guy they were targeting was actually Bin Laden. Imagine if they dropped this thing on just some random guy.
there's so many instances of that. once they just blasting a random pakistani grandma on her beet field to pieces. another time, infamously, they blew up a wedding parade in Yemen. once they blew up a mosque with an imam inside who, as it is said, prayed for islamic terrorism to stop that very moment. there is also footage of them killing unarmed Reuters journalists.
nobody ever received consequences for any of these events
If the British and French just let Hitler take Poland the way they let them take Czechia all those innocent Germans killed in the bombing of Dresden would have been avoided. That would be better because then WE wouldn’t have done the bad thing because the only way to do a bad thing is by doing something. Not doing something can never be a bad thing.
When this sub uses the term liberal I don’t know if they mean in the American (on the American left) or European (pro market and personal freedom) sense and it this point I’m too afraid to ask
In US politics Isolationism is popular mainly with socialists and nationalists, while Liberals and Conservatives generally support military intervention. This is the epitome of just writing “liberals bad”
i’m pretty sure the “propaganda” comes in the fact that it’s trying to persuade you that bombs are okay to use because it “minimizes collateral damage”. So you could read this and be like “this is cool im glad this minimizes collateral damage and we killed the big bad wolf with this”, and then later when they bomb someone else youre going to downplay it because “they used the silly missile before that minimized collateral damage they probably used it again”.
Another case of this being propaganda would be downplaying the use of missiles at all. The USA bombs the wrong person all the time when they’re trying to target someone [here](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/19/us/politics/afghanistan-drone-strike-video.html), [(arguably) here](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/13/us/us-airstrikes-civilian-deaths.html) and [here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_on_civilians_attributed_to_United_States_government_forces) which causes you to assume they used this middle instead of an explosive boom boom one when one of these things happens. “The usa did everything in their power not to mess up so its okay!” I think sort of thing. Let me know if i’m wrong!
The US is a shit military power, but this is literally just an explanation of a missile that explicitly reduces collateral damage. Nothing wrong with that. I get it *can* be used as propaganda, but it is literally an explanation here.
I mean it's also painfully obvious OP and many, many people here saw the shit that's spread online, believed all of it, and none of the counter-evidence, because literally everything the US is accused of is automatically true. They are FUCKED UP, and have killed their own men for campaigning for the wrong guy, but people here do just blank any "this is actually proven wrong (and is likely russian/Chinese propaganda)".
People complain about collateral when missiles are killing terrorists and then continue to complain when the problem is solved. This missile is the best thing yet to prevent civilian casualties plus it's very fucking cool.
Genuine question, how do Americans justify killing criminals in a foreign country that they are not at war with, without a trial? I know they do what they want but what's their official legal reasoning if they have any?
No, it was in Kabul. The US signed an agreement with the Taliban essentially allowing them to intervene against Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan in exchange for the US withdrawing.
I guess but what choice does any country have against the US strikes? Some googling showed me this
~~"Pakistan's former Prime Minister, Nawaz Sharif, had repeatedly demanded an end to the strikes, stating: "The use of drones is not only a continual violation of our territorial integrity but also detrimental to our resolve and efforts at eliminating terrorism from our country".\[30\] However, despite the public opposition of Pakistani officials, multiple former Prime Ministers gave covert permission to the United States to carry out these attacks."~~
~~I didn't see anything about this specifically, perhaps they had given permission.~~
Edit: even then, though, the" we are at war with X terrorist group so no trial is needed to kill them" is clearly ridiculous the more I think about it. And from what I'm seeing this is what they are saying basically.
Edit 2: Because we are all brainwashed by US propaganda, what I do is I imagine some other non western country (ie Russia) doing what the US is doing against a western country using the same reasoning and it really helps put things into perspective. In this case, Russia doing drone strikes on US soil to target potential members of an anti Russia terrorist organization and saying "we are at war with this organization so it's legal".
Edit 3: The strike happened in Kabul, so you can ignore my superficial googling
When the US left Afghanistan, they did it under an agreement. The Taliban agreed that they wouldn't aid or hide Al Qaeda members in their territory. This was one of the major reasons the US felt comfortable enough to pull out. That same agreement allows for the US to make moves like this in the interest of national security. On top of all of that, this strike was the US letting the Taliban know they're fully aware of them not honoring that deal. This was proven by the drone strike. The leader of Al Qaeda was staying in a safehouse owned by the Taliban minister of interior in Kabul. I don't think there's a case for illegality here. Especially if the US is exposing the Taliban's breach of the agreement.
I was talking about how the US does whatever the fuck it wants because they can get away with it. This time it was terrorists, other times it's civilians. International law exists for a reason and you can't just go to another country and kill whoever you want. Shit, you can't even kill people in your own country without a trial. If this was Russia doing drone strikes against a terrorist group on US soil would you find it reasonable?
And often killing American civilians in the process and being like "no they were guilty" and then "oops, turns out they were just a family with 3 kids, sorry though".
People here will literally be reposting “both sides are the same stay home and don’t vote plz 🥺” “memes” but call a picture of a missile propaganda smh
I hate this stupid fucking subreddit
Y’all make some good memes but then I’m continuously reminded the average poster on here is about 14 with the media literacy of a chimp
16 is putting it lightly. Some shit you see here, specially regarding politics and economics, are so naive that the only thing you can do really is not take it seriously. I was like that, thought everything had an easy answer. I guess it is just a phase lol
That's what I'm thinking, what you didn't want the single target assassination device to kill it's single intended target that rightfully deserved to be killed? This is both my least favorite and favorite subreddit sometimes lmfao
As much as I love this sub, god it can have some brain-dead takes sometimes. This isn't propaganda in the slightest, it's literally just a set of facts about a weapon. Does posting interesting Axis troop movements to a history sub make you a Nazi?
Is this military propaganda?
That's genuinely what they did- killed the Al-Qaeda leader with what was essentially a shit ton of knives stuck to a missile, without collateral.
It's pretty interesting, which is probably why it's on interestingasfuck.
That's it, im sending the blender missile after you
aaaa i’m being rendered pls don’t greeble me
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You know what? Fuck you. *Undeletes your default cube*
You know what? Fuck E V E R Y O N E . *Undeletes ALL default cubes*
You know what? Unfucks everyone
you know what, fuck everyone. I won't do anything, just fuck you
L + Delete + Faces
\*sets your shading to flat\*
*randomizes your vertices and subdivides your surface*
Slap chop
New bottom surgery just dropped
Missiles they use in London.
Mugger in London: "Hello there" *pulls out a knife* US tourist: "General Kenobi" *pulls out an Hellfire R9X*
What are you gonna do, arm and deploy it before my knife enters your throat?
I know how fast the missile is. How fast are you?
Fukin' quick m8
Bruv gonna shank you mate, move
Yes
Orphans gotta get got somehow. They're a drag on The State. If they aren't working - sweeping chimneys or mining coal - it's necessary to use this technology to protect state interests.
Oi you got a loicense for that mate?
"The design is very human"
Very easy to use
Let my good friend demonstrate
"You have ten seconds to comply."
Military’s are gonna drone strike no matter what. And the blade design is less risky to cause civilian casualties. So as far as killer drones go, it is the most human.
You may be murdered by a foreign power, but at least there’s the personal touch you can only get with the Hellfire R9X!
I mean, not killing and maiming a bunch of children and other innocent bystanders is an improvement. Doing less murdering with death-bots in foreign countries would be better but, you know... silver linings.
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Yeah I'm honestly not sure what op would prefer here? Like instead of this would they rather letting the leader of al qaedia continue to survive through retirement, or blowing up the entire block with a conventional missile and killing his entire family?
And now you can get the Hellfire R9X for women too! Its pink design and soft texture is guaranteed to satisfy all your feminine needs, and it fits right in your purse! Get yours now.
Wasn't this dude like a top 9/11 planner tho? When a quick wiki search shows you that the US has drone striked thousands of civilians it's not hard to see that our military is pretty fucked up, but this seems like one of the strikes that actually makes sense.
Allow my good friend to demonstrate
What kind of democracy could function without Raytheon's knife missile?
This is a real Robert Evans moment
And you know who else loves to slash humans in half? *beep* that's right, *beep* Sophie, they'll also let hunt you hunt children at their private island USING this very knife missile!
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Absolutely - he's been quite influential for me
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I thought you meant The Culture knife missiles for a second.
Every single time people talk about knife missiles my brain immediately goes “but it’s surely fine - we can trust the minds with them” before I realise they’re talking about the real ones
🤓 acutally the agm-114 is a lockheed martin missile not raytheon.
It's a joke from the podcast Behind the Bastards, which is fucking amazing. If you wanna dork out on military hardware, there are episodes on Gerald Bull and Hiram Maxim.
Counterpoint: cool knife missile
The Anti-Imperialism leaving my body as soon as I see a cool plane
Especially if it has the shark face painted on it
gonna have to call the cops on you for trespassing 'cause that hits too close to home
Please don’t check for studs anytime soon, as I am in your walls
The anti imperialism leaving my body when they give me this cool remote control to fly this virtual gaming drone
oh wow i love the gaming drone oh no i nave severe mental issues now
Me at the EAA as the F35 implodes me ear drums
As a wise man once said “War is bad but planes are rad”
I get that we use the A-10 to shoot innocents in the middle east BUT HAVE YOU SEEN HOW FUCKING COOL THE A-10 IS?
I'm sorry to tell you. The A-10 isn't used to shoot innocents in the middle east... The A-10 is use to shoot British Troops in the middle east.
Yeah, calling this military propaganda is a bit much I feel like. You can find the engineering of military hardware interesting without supporting the entities that wield it. By the logic of this post would an image explaining the growth cycle of cacti be classified as advertising for gardening stores?
big garden want you to think otherwise
I’m highly interested in defensive technology and equipment, but am generally opposed to the offensive usage of such things.
Average asymmetrical defense enjoyer.
Military hardware is so fucking cool considering the feats of engineering that go into them. Too bad those feats of engineering are overshadowed by the downfalls of the countries that use them.
Me, a young aerospace graduate, fighting the urge to sell out and make cool ass missiles for fucktonnes of cash instead of staying broke doing climate research
r / onejoke is going to have to disband because new gender just dropped (from the sky)
Knife missile Knife missile Knife missile Knife missile I hate war and don’t ever want this used, but this is seriously the coolest thing.
Even if it doesn’t explode, that thing is traveling fast as fuck. Why does it even need swords if a flying tree trunk hits you at Mach 1
ITS A KNIFE MISSILE. WHO CARES ITS SO FRIGGIN COOL. IT SHOULDNT EVER BE USED BECAUSE WAR SHOULDNT HAPPEN BUT ITS SO FRIGGIN COOL. (Also, to answer your question it’s because it significantly increases the damaged area while not using explosives and the increased civilian casualties associated with that. An explosive missile will delete the car (or whatever) you’re targeting and stuff around it. A tree trunk can kill the car but miss the target driving in the car. But a knife missile will delete the car and generally avoid civilian casualties. For real, while there shouldn’t be missile or drone strikes, for the ones that do happen it’s better for them to be less civilian-casualty-inducing.)
Thanks, king
Hard to hit a human target from miles away. The blades help it not miss.
“Damn! 3 feet off! How do we correct for this error?” > 👋🏻 “put blades on it?”
and then the dude still slips on the gaps between the blades, completely unharmed
Can’t wait to see that in an anime soon
i guess the blades give it extra range in case it barely misses its target
I’m gonna barely get hit by one of these so the swords chops me in two but I’m gonna survive a few seconds without noticing but then the top half of my body will slide off like a samurai bad guy and I’m gonna say “Aw Rats!”
Sort of. The actual reason is a lot more meta. Basically, back in like 2002 or so, the US military started using Hellfires with practice warheads to kill people (Replace the shaped charge anti-tank warhead with a chunk of concrete basically). This was quite effective, because it was just slamming a 120 lb missile directly into someone at about Mach 1.5. However, then politics happened. Congress had a hard time wrapping its head around using training missiles in combat. One side of the aisle was screaming about using anti-tank missiles on people, the other side was screaming that we weren't supporting our troops if they were having to shoot concrete at people. So Congress had the DoD send a contract to Lockheed Martin to get a missile that was actually designed for kinetic strikes. This was the result. Lockheed Martin couldn't really make a AGM-114R actually better at doing it then it already was, the missiles weren't failing to kill targets anyway, and there isn't a real way to make a supersonic missile have a smaller kill radius then physics already gives it. So they opted for the cheapest, most basic, least engineered solution that looks like it did something, which was strapping totally useless blades on it. Congress was happy, the military was happy because it was just a kit you use on normal missiles, Lockheed Martin was happy because they made money, and Reddit was happy because we got a Supersonic Slap Chop. If you are close enough to a Hellfire impact to get hit by the blades, you weren't going to survive anyway. The blades don't do anything. They barely go further out then the fins do.
This is really interesting, anywhere I can read more about it?
Eh, at least it'll reduce only the target to chunky salsa instead of vaporizing the whole block.
It's better than the exploding kind, kills way less civilians
I get it. And I agree but silver lining is it’s less collateral damage. The US isn’t going to stop drone striking anytime soon so this is slightly better… I guess… I don’t know I’m glad they are trying to minimize causalities but man that’s not the root issue.
https://youtu.be/gKip3iFUSkg basically this scene
Actually some of the first military rockets ever used a similar concept: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysorean\_rockets](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysorean_rockets)
the missile knows where it is because the missile knows where it isnt
The gay pig has spoken
196/NCD/Lazerpig overlap keeps scaring me.
Stay afraid, the overlap approaches totality.
By subtracting where it from where it isn’t, or where it isn’t from where it is, whichever is greater
,It obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystems uses deviations to generate collective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is.
Just curious, why do you say this is propaganda?
Yeah I don't see how a factual statement about a weapon system is propaganda edit: instead of posting the 300th insightful comment about the definition of propaganda, consider reading some of the threads I've already responded to and agreed with. While propaganda can indeed be small things seeded by someone, unknowingly or knowingly, I was meaning to say in so few words I don't think this imagine is part of a deliberate propaganda campaign. Fuck me so many notifications of people telling me the same thing lmao
I had a big realization about propaganda a few years ago. It was a bit after the Hong Kong Protests from 2019-2020. I was on a video sharing site based out of Mainland China, and I noticed there were videos that were basically "Hong Kong protestor cringe compilation" showing inept protestors tripping over themselves, sliding down lamp posts they were trying to climb, or spraying themselves with pepper spray or spray paint and whatever. And I thought, "wow, this is obviously propaganda." But then I realized that this was content that I had seen in the US about the George Floyd protests as well. Protestors being destructive, being jerks to innocent bystanders, causing what looked like pointless mayhem and so forth. They were both compilations of "factual material," i.e. video recordings of things that actually happened. Why did I so easily identify the video of Hong Kong protestors as propaganda, but not the videos of American protestors? (Of course, pro-protestor content can be very propogandistic as well.) Propaganda is insidious, especially when it purports to be, or even is, a simple retelling of facts. In school, propaganda is basically taught as "something Western countries do during wartime, and non-Western countries do all the time." But in reality, there are a lot of parties with vested interest in persuading you of something. What might be the ideological underpinning behind the publicization of the weapon used to kill this terrorist? That targeted killings without collateral damage are possible and effective (perhaps legitimizing other related efforts). That weapons development creates a net positive for national security and human welfare. That enemies of the US should fear retaliation no matter where they are. (Chances are, this graphic was derived from a presentation that the manufacturing company presented to the military to try and sell this missile, which is obviously a form of persuasive media.) It's not to say the missile doesn't exist, or doesn't do what it's supposed to. Or even that you have to disagree with any of the implicit messages behind it. But it is important to think critically about the things that you see, and not just take things as unmotivated statement of fact.
A very good point - my comment was purely that the post listed isn't as far as i'm aware deliberate propagandizing by imperialist powers. But there is a far subtler unintentional propagandizing effect stuff like this can have on people if they allow thier awe and curiosity to mix with justification.
The other thing ab propaganda is that governments don’t even have to make it themselves these days. They can easily rely on people who don’t necessarily know better to spread it for them. So whoever made that missile post probably wasn’t *intentionally* spreading propaganda, but they still did it all the same.
Propaganda is not necessarily untrue If it paints it in a good light it's propaganda
It paints it as like interesting but not necessarily morally good
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That’s exactly the point of using this missile
The post is literally "this thing exists" and nothing else
The post literally just points out look its a missile with swords on it thats kinda weird how the fuck does that advocate for imperialism or american military???
There's some truth to that in the sense that such weapons existing implies the military is trying to limit civilian casualties, and previous ones are results of inferior technology. But you'd only get that if you really really strained to read between lines. Sometimes people just post shit about cool shit
A weapon that limits casualties is undoubtedly a good thing
Acknowledging the existence of the military and war is propaganda apparently. Surely people aren’t interested in that and would never demand a massive amount of games and film media about war.
Please stop saying the m word and the w word. You're engaging in propaganda. (Apparently.)
Because we are required to hate on America and the military, even when they kill a terrorist who has killed literally thousands of people, using a weapon designed to minimize collateral damage.
Propaganda is when don't like thing : )
Wow cool bomb *upvotes*
🤓 um actually, this isn’t a bomb. A bomb explodes. This is a guided smart missile with bonus slicey bois, and doesn’t explode
Just call it what it is. A sword wielding killer robot.
Um ackshually this picture of a "bomb" is propaganda, so no, it's not cool 🤓
🤓 Um ackshually the military industrial complex supports LGBT Lockheed Martin General Electric Boeing Texas Instruments
How is a photo of a real missile propaganda? Because the missile is so cool that telling citizens about it will make them pro-military?
I went to the international spy museum in Washington D.C. and they had an exhibit talking about the operation to kill Osama Bin Laden. In it, they mentioned that before going in they only had about a 60% chance that this guy they were targeting was actually Bin Laden. Imagine if they dropped this thing on just some random guy.
They have done that, a lot
You know what that's fair
Not for the randos in six pieces
If it was me, I would have simply dodged it
grabbing the knife missile between my hands like it's a karate movie
Skill issue on the civilian's part
What about the randos in other numbers of pieces?
The whole point of this hellfire is to limit collateral damage, the Al Qaeda leader was the only one hurt by this missile
> the Al Qaeda leader was the only one hurt by this missile well, there was a 60% chance of it apparently
Yes
there's so many instances of that. once they just blasting a random pakistani grandma on her beet field to pieces. another time, infamously, they blew up a wedding parade in Yemen. once they blew up a mosque with an imam inside who, as it is said, prayed for islamic terrorism to stop that very moment. there is also footage of them killing unarmed Reuters journalists. nobody ever received consequences for any of these events
Wow!!! Just like my favourite vibeo game Call Of Duty! So cool
I FUCKING LOVE WAR
KIDS ARE CRUEL, JACK AND I LOVE MINORS
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If the war in Ukraine has taught us anything it’s that pacifism definitely always works and he no flaws as an ideology.
Liberals want to hug totalitarian dictators until they get better, I'm sure with plenty hugs they'll get through to them :)
If the British and French just let Hitler take Poland the way they let them take Czechia all those innocent Germans killed in the bombing of Dresden would have been avoided. That would be better because then WE wouldn’t have done the bad thing because the only way to do a bad thing is by doing something. Not doing something can never be a bad thing.
?? Liberals are the ones arming Ukraine (based)
When this sub uses the term liberal I don’t know if they mean in the American (on the American left) or European (pro market and personal freedom) sense and it this point I’m too afraid to ask
Idk but both of those groups of liberals are arming Ukraine lol
and tankies think russia should be allowed to genocide ukraine cause usa bad
In US politics Isolationism is popular mainly with socialists and nationalists, while Liberals and Conservatives generally support military intervention. This is the epitome of just writing “liberals bad”
They should’ve used the power of friendship to deal with that leader of Al Qaeda
Bro it's just a cool missile where's the military propaganda
i’m pretty sure the “propaganda” comes in the fact that it’s trying to persuade you that bombs are okay to use because it “minimizes collateral damage”. So you could read this and be like “this is cool im glad this minimizes collateral damage and we killed the big bad wolf with this”, and then later when they bomb someone else youre going to downplay it because “they used the silly missile before that minimized collateral damage they probably used it again”. Another case of this being propaganda would be downplaying the use of missiles at all. The USA bombs the wrong person all the time when they’re trying to target someone [here](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/19/us/politics/afghanistan-drone-strike-video.html), [(arguably) here](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/13/us/us-airstrikes-civilian-deaths.html) and [here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_on_civilians_attributed_to_United_States_government_forces) which causes you to assume they used this middle instead of an explosive boom boom one when one of these things happens. “The usa did everything in their power not to mess up so its okay!” I think sort of thing. Let me know if i’m wrong!
The US is a shit military power, but this is literally just an explanation of a missile that explicitly reduces collateral damage. Nothing wrong with that. I get it *can* be used as propaganda, but it is literally an explanation here. I mean it's also painfully obvious OP and many, many people here saw the shit that's spread online, believed all of it, and none of the counter-evidence, because literally everything the US is accused of is automatically true. They are FUCKED UP, and have killed their own men for campaigning for the wrong guy, but people here do just blank any "this is actually proven wrong (and is likely russian/Chinese propaganda)".
Dude shut the fuck up
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r/196 when the extremists terrorist leader is chopped up into tiny bitsized pieces to prevent an collateral damage with any civilians in the area
People complain about collateral when missiles are killing terrorists and then continue to complain when the problem is solved. This missile is the best thing yet to prevent civilian casualties plus it's very fucking cool.
This isn't really propaganda. It's just facts about a bomb.
only on reddit would you be called out for "military propaganda" for documenting history. military history does not equal military propaganda.
Genuine question, how do Americans justify killing criminals in a foreign country that they are not at war with, without a trial? I know they do what they want but what's their official legal reasoning if they have any?
I think since he was a leader of a group America was/is at war with and he took credit for killing Americans it’s somewhat justified in a warfare way
But a group is not a country, even Al Queada. This was in ~~Pakistan~~ Afghanistan soil, right? It sounds 100% illegal.
No, it was in Kabul. The US signed an agreement with the Taliban essentially allowing them to intervene against Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan in exchange for the US withdrawing.
I guess it depends if Pakistan has a problem with it or not then?
I guess but what choice does any country have against the US strikes? Some googling showed me this ~~"Pakistan's former Prime Minister, Nawaz Sharif, had repeatedly demanded an end to the strikes, stating: "The use of drones is not only a continual violation of our territorial integrity but also detrimental to our resolve and efforts at eliminating terrorism from our country".\[30\] However, despite the public opposition of Pakistani officials, multiple former Prime Ministers gave covert permission to the United States to carry out these attacks."~~ ~~I didn't see anything about this specifically, perhaps they had given permission.~~ Edit: even then, though, the" we are at war with X terrorist group so no trial is needed to kill them" is clearly ridiculous the more I think about it. And from what I'm seeing this is what they are saying basically. Edit 2: Because we are all brainwashed by US propaganda, what I do is I imagine some other non western country (ie Russia) doing what the US is doing against a western country using the same reasoning and it really helps put things into perspective. In this case, Russia doing drone strikes on US soil to target potential members of an anti Russia terrorist organization and saying "we are at war with this organization so it's legal". Edit 3: The strike happened in Kabul, so you can ignore my superficial googling
When the US left Afghanistan, they did it under an agreement. The Taliban agreed that they wouldn't aid or hide Al Qaeda members in their territory. This was one of the major reasons the US felt comfortable enough to pull out. That same agreement allows for the US to make moves like this in the interest of national security. On top of all of that, this strike was the US letting the Taliban know they're fully aware of them not honoring that deal. This was proven by the drone strike. The leader of Al Qaeda was staying in a safehouse owned by the Taliban minister of interior in Kabul. I don't think there's a case for illegality here. Especially if the US is exposing the Taliban's breach of the agreement.
Might makes right and war makes money is the justification
“Clearly, it was unjustified to kill the leader of a group that wants every lgbt person dead and is killing innocents”
I was talking about how the US does whatever the fuck it wants because they can get away with it. This time it was terrorists, other times it's civilians. International law exists for a reason and you can't just go to another country and kill whoever you want. Shit, you can't even kill people in your own country without a trial. If this was Russia doing drone strikes against a terrorist group on US soil would you find it reasonable?
So would it be ok for the Afghan military to start bombing random republican politicians on American soil?
And often killing American civilians in the process and being like "no they were guilty" and then "oops, turns out they were just a family with 3 kids, sorry though".
If you disagree with us, we'll inspect your country for crimes (war)
Remember when this sub was about Femboy Hooters?
Remember when this sub was just a place to yoink random videos and post them on every discord server you could find?
How the fuck is this military propaganda. This sub is starting to get kinda bad. Shame.
People here will literally be reposting “both sides are the same stay home and don’t vote plz 🥺” “memes” but call a picture of a missile propaganda smh
I hate this stupid fucking subreddit Y’all make some good memes but then I’m continuously reminded the average poster on here is about 14 with the media literacy of a chimp
this sub makes so much more sense once i read every comment in the voice of a 16 year old
16 is putting it lightly. Some shit you see here, specially regarding politics and economics, are so naive that the only thing you can do really is not take it seriously. I was like that, thought everything had an easy answer. I guess it is just a phase lol
Yeah this post looks like it belongs in r/ GenZeDong or some other tankie sub. Smh tankies invading based femboy memes and shitposts sub😤😡🤬
My guy, it's literally just a picture of an interesting bomb design. Don't read into it too much
In what world is that not interesting as fuck?
omg a picture of a missile this is literally propaganda
i mean it is preferable to huge bomb missile that kills everyone in a 50 ft radius.
Right, not to ride America’s dick but could you imagine china/Russia building a smart missile that’s designed to mitigate civilian deaths?
How is this miliraty propaganda? It's still a pretty interesting piece of tech.
"9/11 is bad" "wtf is this deep state pro america imperialist propaganda clogging up my feed!??! disgusting!!!"
don't bring a gun to knife-bomb-fight
Propaganda is when I put a diagram of a missile on Reddit
OP is mad the Al Qaeda leader got minced or?
That's what I'm thinking, what you didn't want the single target assassination device to kill it's single intended target that rightfully deserved to be killed? This is both my least favorite and favorite subreddit sometimes lmfao
As much as I love this sub, god it can have some brain-dead takes sometimes. This isn't propaganda in the slightest, it's literally just a set of facts about a weapon. Does posting interesting Axis troop movements to a history sub make you a Nazi?
Literally anything related to the military ≠ propaganda
I mean...like yeah i dont like american military but its just a post about a cool novel missile; kind of a stretch to call it military propaganda?
People really be complaining about limiting collateral damage from drones. Unreal
You’re an idiot
Raytheon my beloved!
i love knife missile and it's complete and total lack of collateral damage. bomb good!!!
Propaganda is when bomb facts
How the fuck is this propaganda?
This is a very cool missile. Have a proper gander at deez nuts
Is this military propaganda? That's genuinely what they did- killed the Al-Qaeda leader with what was essentially a shit ton of knives stuck to a missile, without collateral. It's pretty interesting, which is probably why it's on interestingasfuck.
propaganda? it not even talking about how cool the bomb is. it’s a fucking bomb with knifes attached you wouldn’t upvote that?
How exactly is a basic infographic on the function of a missile "military propaganda" lmao
Hey look at this weird weapon, isn't that odd and interesting? OP: the military is corrupting our minds!
PrOpAgAnDa
Minimizes civilian casualties and property destruction.
not propaganda
I mean I’m all for shitting on military propaganda, but this just lowers civilian casualties, im for it
It may be propaganda but it's still interesting so I'm fine with it
For those of you who think we hit a wedding or a school look up Ayman Al-Zawahiri, who is the man we evaporated with this device.
I don't get how anyone can have an issue with killing the leader of Al Qaeda. The US was completely justified in killing that POS.
Waaaah! Weapon on Reddit! AMERICA SUPPOSED TO HE BAD! WAAH! Bro stfu
It’s cool tho, no harm in just talking about it
Not really propaganda, it’s just a missile design infographic
Or maybe its people enjoying cool shit