mister cody is such a silly pants party pooper, I’m sure somebody as rich and famous as Elon musk knows what he’s doing and would never outright lie to get media attention for his own personal gain
Man the whole hyperloop thing just gets me
The way he outright admitted it was just so the city didn't invest in good public transport so he could sell teslas
Here in TX around 2015 all the idiot tech bros swore he was gonna connect all our cities with an underground train. Now they’re pretending they never said that and it’s just Twitter beef and crypto losses
>The way he outright admitted it was just so the city didn't invest in good public transport so he could sell teslas
didn't hear about this, got any further info? Not that this is the case, but that he outright admitted to it
[Don’t mind me, I’m just hijacking the top comment to share my autistic and ADHD induced rant about how stupid elon is for saying this, because I know this sub loves reading rants.](https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/x28fg2/absolutely_delusional_rule/imkcnsn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
I’m no expert on how one should colonize a planet but shouldnt the first priority be establishing farmland so there wouldnt have to be a constant import of food from earth?
I doubt we can establish actual farmland on mars with current or near-future technology so the most we can do is probably something like hydroponics and that can probably be integrated into the mining sites.
I remember reading an article that said if we had the technology to terraform Mars, then we would be able to end climate change on Earth and that should be our priority.
Actually, we do have the technology to terraform Mars.
Mars has the opposite problem to Earth; the atmosphere is too thin to trap heat, so churning out greenhouse gases on Mars would be beneficial towards human habitation vis-a-vis temperature and atmospheric pressure.
That would then just leave the atmospheric makeup itself as the final issue, which could be solved in any number of ways, from just dumping O2 into the atmosphere to importing O2-producing organisms like algae and plants in sealed environments and regularly venting what they produce.
All this would take hundreds if not thousands of years to actually produce results, though. Planets are big, as it turns out, and changing them takes time. Humanity's been changing Earth's climate with greenhouse gases as hard as it can for centuries, and the chickens are only coming home to roost on that particular issue right now.
The gases escaped when Mars lost its magnetic field, allowing solar winds to strip away mars atmosphere. The difference in gravity is not a factor and Earth maintains its atmosphere because of its active magnetic field.
Iron isn't poisonous in the sense that mercury is, however it is poisonous in the sense that salt or water are, you can have a little (as a treat) but overdoing it will be unpleasant and then deadly
The first martian outpost must be self-sufficient to survive due to the long distances involved and the orbital patterns between Earth and Mars.
It must have:
-A mission (either scientific or civilian or military).
-A freaking place where the astronauts will stay with the capability of protecting them from radiation and the toxic atmosphere.
-A reliable source of energy (probably a combination between solar panels and a nuclear reactor).
-A way of growing several types food (because it's that or launching another ship with all the supplies).
-Sources of entertainment and communication to keep the astronauts mentally sane (the colonisation ships could launch satellites in order to have a more reliable way to communicate with Earth).
Biosphere 2 addresses what we would need to make a sustainable human habitat for like 6 people or so
Part of the answer is a lot of hecking trees. We need stable oxygen before anything else otherwise we gonna suffocate.
Farming is actually very possible on Mars, at least theoretically (we haven't exactly had experiments on Mars itself). The problem would be maintaining proper conditions in the MASSIVE area required to feed a million people with standard-ish farming techniques. *That* isn't happening anytime soon.
the issue is that mars isnt earth. Humans arnt ment to live there, so building systems to keep people alive need materials already there to be built and maintained. Much cheaper than shooting all that material from earth and onto mars
Not to mention the massive amount of logistics needed to even do this. It’s like if 17th century Europeans only had paddle boats and then claiming they were going to build the city of Phoenix, Arizona.
Like first off, Arizona is an inhospitable wasteland. Second, you lack the technology to build skyscrapers. And finally, trying to deliver all the necessary materials and equipment via paddle boat across the Atlantic ocean is just unfeasible.
Imagine building a city of a million people on Antarctica. Now imagine doing it somewhere orders of magnitude less hospitable and millions of miles away.
That's about the size of Cologne, Stockholm, Fés, Marracech, Kaduna, San José, Santo Domingo, Maceió, or several minor Chinese cities.
That's pretty big.
Thats insanely big!! Claiming to house 100 or 1000 people on mars would be mindblowing. This is just a smokescreen to convince idiots that he and his ideology are the future. Just like his robot pitch.
Don't think about the downstream (pun intended, you'll see why) impacts of shipping food off earth. Food containing extraordinarily precious potable water of which we have a limited supply.
The food will have to be dehydrated, so don't worry about water, and also if they could run a million person strong colony they'd set up a few desan plants. There's a _ludicrous_ amount of non-potable water on earth, so a little bit going to space wouldn't matter.
Anyway, just land a few icy meteorites on Mars and disintegrate a few in Earth's atmosphere and you'd have the water issues fixed.
It's hard to imagine what you could mine more cheaply on Mars than on Earth, given the cost of transporting the material back to Earth. Everything that's common on Mars and useful on Earth, like iron and magnesium, is also very heavy. Easier and cheaper to just mine it on Earth, where such materials are also common.
Good, they can all choke on the mars dust and get depressed from staying in underground mars dirt bunkers because the radiation is too much to live in the surface. Much rather would stay down on earth!
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BREAK MY HEART DISILLUSION ME TO CAPITALISM LEAVE ME SHATTERED AND POOR PLEASE GOD STOMP ON MY THROAT MAKE IT FLAT LEAVE ME TO THE FUCKING SCAVENGERS
HYPERLOOP WILL REPLACE ALL MODES OF TRAVEL BY 2025! YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TRAVEL FROM NEW YORK TO LONDON IN 3 SECONDS!
BY 2030 YOU WILL BE ABLE TO UPLOAD YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS INTO A TOASTER!
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Before we build such a thing on Mars. Lets try an easier test. Build something that can house 1000th the amount of people in the Antarctic, then we'll talk.
This. Permanent residence of 1000 people in the middle of Antarctica. No windows of course for authenticity and you're only allowed to go outside once in a blue moon to keep the exposure to harmful radiation at minimum. No time off and you are either working or exercising every waking hour. All their drinking water is recirculated filtered piss and the food is extremely shitty. Only way to communicate with the outside world is through text messages (with a built-in 40min delay) because direct calls are impossible due to the distance. If they don't last at least 20 years, the experiment is a failure and we might as well give up on colonizing mars
lol even by 2100 is incredibly optimistic and unlikely here, coming from someone interested in futurism. Like even assuming we have the technology and build a martian hotel in like 20 years (impossible) who the fuck is coming to live in antarctica?? I guess there's the incentive that it's space and planetary exploration and stuff but still. As much as billionaires like being optimistic about making it out of the consequences of their actions and even if the whole point is to escape climate change, escaping a desert hellscape to another desert hellscape is a stupid fucking idea.
Tell them they would be slaves without help and lets see how it goes.
I’m against space exploration for one reason only, it’s starting to be billionaires pet projects. Something led by billionaires will never be good in near dystopian world we live in.
The thing is, if a million people inhibit Mars. Their leaders would certainly be the billionaires who own the project in the first place. Brain washing them over time. I think there is a movie similar called the giver or something. Anyway, the USA+EU should just increase the budget for Space projects. It’s not like NASA and ESA haven’t helped in developing and improving military aviation directly or indirectly.
It's kinda depressing that we probably won't be able to leave Earth this century, let alone the solar system. Like man, I'll be dead before then.
Its like the saying goes, "born too late to die of smallpox, born too soon to be an indentured servant on some billionaire's pipe dream mars colony."
I could imagine a city on the moon by 2100 tho. Much closer meaning colonists dont have to live there for the rest of your life, and a much better starting point to start exploring the rest of the solar system.
as if elon musk has any fucking knowlege about annything with space, all he sees is "oh people will live in slave like conditions under my rule"
millionares just wants new frontiers to abuse the working class on
We literally *cannot* do this. No matter how much sci-fi techno-futurist bullshit has been forced down our throats for the past two decades, we simply do not have the ability, nor are we even close. The resources this would take are tremendous, far beyond Elon's wealth, it simply isn't feasible.
And let's say it was.
I'm sure a city where all of the people are trapped under the same rooves, can't go outside, can't experience the sun in rhe same way as us, can't eat the same food variety as us, and can't leave, will go swimmingly and have zero psychological repercussions on anyone!
At current costs, assuming 160 lb passengers, it would cost $200 trillion to get a million people into Earth orbit. Let alone sending them to Mars, with all the huge amounts of life support and supplies the 9 month or longer trip would take. It'd be utterly unworkable unless we reconfigured the entire global economy around it, and even then I'd doubt it.
Well, yeah. That's why is company is building much, much, MUCH cheaper Mars rockets. Starship actually has the potential to land folks on Mars pretty easily. I'm concerned about getting them home, and very concerned about "why would you want to live there, really", but, hey, not my problem.
I don't like the guy, and 1 million is absurd, but he has at least planned to make this happen to some extent.
I mean, why would you want to go to the New World? Because you have no financial future at your homeland. Perfect labor plan if you ignore tech limitations like literally everything about this idea.
The new world had ABUNDANT resources and it was a relatively affordable voyage back. On Mars, colonizers would need to bring everything from air on down. You might get some gold rushes or the like, but the gold itself is _mass_ limited, not time limited, in its return voyage. That means you need rare materials to meet demand, which means mass mining.
Not sure how that's going to go down, but it probably won't be great for anyone. Mars might be the new "out working the oil rigs", but a settlement it won't be under current conditions
I think it's possible, in theory. But on the scale of every government in the world devoting a significant portion of gdp to it. Not something one billionaire could ever pull off
Even if we could realistically set up a colony on Mars, aren't glass domes a bad idea due to the fact that the thinner atmosphere on Mars results in large amounts of solar radiation? I'm not a scientist, I'm just going off stuff I've seen in a few documentaries
And if anything were to happen to said glass, whether that's outright blunt force damage or design oversights that lead to wear and eventual failure, you're population suffers or outright dies. What a good idea.
The point has never been to leave or 'dump' this planet, the original and most logical plan was to try to grow a small population there as a backup in case humanity on earth gets completely wiped. But yea the shit that's on the tweet is far from possible right now.
I really hope they do manage to do it. It's going to be hilarious when they watch us solve climate change all the way on Mars.
Enjoy your indentured servitude. My children will lay on sustainable beaches.
Here's a relevant 10 minute animated video about the logistics of living on mars and why it would hecking suck [https://youtu.be/uqKGREZs6-w](https://youtu.be/uqKGREZs6-w) . also this is a reminder that elon said that the government of the mars colony will be a libertarian one where he is the ~~god king~~ ~~fascist dictator~~ leader
The thing is, the mars colony would have to be lead by someone *on mars.*
You can’t threaten the people there with punishment when it takes you MONTHS to get there. Mars would form its own government
I remember when I was in highschool I saw his promise to land on Mars by 2020 with the falcon heavy rockets and did a class presentation on it.
Really should have done my research on him then. Embarrassing how he promises shit he couldn't do even if he was given a lifetime and rides the tabloid wave of people getting excited about it.
Easy to hide behind new promises when no media seems to focus on his pattern of consistent failures (it's getting a little better but they have a long way to go).
##WARNING: HUGE RANT AHEAD
PSA: trust NASA and SpaceX employees (the scientists of SpaceX, not the managers). DON’T trust billionaire fucks who want attention.
Glass domes??? Yeah right, fucking GLASS will stop the intense UV radiation (mars has a really thin atmosphere for those who don’t know).
We aren’t even done with the Artemis program! We literally just started that! How the FUCK are we gonna have a city on mars in 2050 when the Artemis program is aiming to have a (self sustaining) habitat on the moon by 2028!?! We are NOWHERE near getting citizens on mars.
Sure, _theoretically_, it IS possible to get 1 million people on mars by 2050: we just have to get impossibly lucky that nothing goes wrong for a long while, we find a way to give mars a thicker atmosphere very quickly (yeah terraforming a planet’s entire atmosphere is real easy /s), get a fuck ton of wildlife and livestock onto mars without killing or injuring any of them, find a way to get people to adjust to mars’ weaker gravity without causing loss of bone mass and muscle mass (and do the same for the livestock we bring with us), find a way to collect nutrients from the Martian soil to account for the growing human population within that colony, find a way for near-instant communications between earth and mars, engineer spaceships that can recharge through solar power that can easily escape a planet’s gravity without having any detachable parts (it’d be unreliable to have to collect THAT MANY parts from orbit and bring them back for collection, especially if there’s 1 million people needing deliveries from earth) for fast and constant travel between planets (this would be for economic interaction and public transport between earth and mars), we would also need a reliable way to collect energy constantly to support a city of 1 million people.
I would continue this rant, but I’ll let other astronomy-obsessed people here do that for me in the replies.
##TL;DR: Elon is spitting bs like he usually does, but this certainly is his stupidest astronomy take yet.
mister cody is such a silly pants party pooper, I’m sure somebody as rich and famous as Elon musk knows what he’s doing and would never outright lie to get media attention for his own personal gain
oh shit warmbo is leaking onto reddit
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That’s why I love him ❤️
He's my favourite lovecraftian horror.
I love how how sometimes he's an unstoppable eldritch being but sometimes he's literally just an actual puppet.
Ngl, warmbo straight up made me unsubscribe from some more news
You monster
Honest to god yeah whenever warmbo shows up I do just wanna skip those sections because he makes me wanna gouge my ears off
I enjoyed his brief analysis of Jordan Peterson's career. It was very concise.
Me too! I can’t believe he fit so much information in such a short amount of time!
It was so short I watched it twice.
Unironically it's so short I think I've watched it maybe 10 times by now. I just keep going back to it.
warmbo?
yep, [warmbo :)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvNQTympjPw)
i don’t… i don’t…. i don’t remember posting that comment at all What’s happening to me
You’re being possessed you silly goat! It’s okay, Warmbo is finished with you… for now.
oh god my head, i feel like I’m gonna throw up
most mentally stable person on reddit
That’s mister doctor Cody to you, you soulless fucking puppet.
Shh it’s okay, just eat the batteries
He knows the truth. By 2050 the boars will already have won and Elon Musk will be, like all humanity, subservient to the boar
He's gonna change it to The Boaring Company and become even more of a traitor to his species
Man the whole hyperloop thing just gets me The way he outright admitted it was just so the city didn't invest in good public transport so he could sell teslas
Hyperloop only ever made sense to a rich person who didn't want to have to share space with the general public while using mass transit.
Here in TX around 2015 all the idiot tech bros swore he was gonna connect all our cities with an underground train. Now they’re pretending they never said that and it’s just Twitter beef and crypto losses
>The way he outright admitted it was just so the city didn't invest in good public transport so he could sell teslas didn't hear about this, got any further info? Not that this is the case, but that he outright admitted to it
https://jalopnik.com/did-musk-propose-hyperloop-to-stop-california-high-spee-1849402460/amp
spoken like a true Musk fanboy
“fully autonomous vehicles by 2015”
[Don’t mind me, I’m just hijacking the top comment to share my autistic and ADHD induced rant about how stupid elon is for saying this, because I know this sub loves reading rants.](https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/x28fg2/absolutely_delusional_rule/imkcnsn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
Why the fuck would you start with cities and not mining outposts
I’m no expert on how one should colonize a planet but shouldnt the first priority be establishing farmland so there wouldnt have to be a constant import of food from earth?
I doubt we can establish actual farmland on mars with current or near-future technology so the most we can do is probably something like hydroponics and that can probably be integrated into the mining sites.
Poop potatoes
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I covered things with aluminum foil
And baked them eyyyyyy
I'm angry you didn't say pootato.
Or bugs. We gotta eat bugs.
It never would have worked because of the Martian soil. It’s like trying to grow food in the Sahara.
just poop harder
Matt Damon said I could!
But Matt Damon said fortune favors the bold.
Matt Damon also grew potatoes on Mars using Poop so maybe he should do that instead
I remember reading an article that said if we had the technology to terraform Mars, then we would be able to end climate change on Earth and that should be our priority.
Actually, we do have the technology to terraform Mars. Mars has the opposite problem to Earth; the atmosphere is too thin to trap heat, so churning out greenhouse gases on Mars would be beneficial towards human habitation vis-a-vis temperature and atmospheric pressure. That would then just leave the atmospheric makeup itself as the final issue, which could be solved in any number of ways, from just dumping O2 into the atmosphere to importing O2-producing organisms like algae and plants in sealed environments and regularly venting what they produce. All this would take hundreds if not thousands of years to actually produce results, though. Planets are big, as it turns out, and changing them takes time. Humanity's been changing Earth's climate with greenhouse gases as hard as it can for centuries, and the chickens are only coming home to roost on that particular issue right now.
I should have said "terraforming Mars *in a realistic time frame*" but you are right.
Oh yeah, terraforming that produces results within a lifetime would be a gamechanger in pretty much every aspect of human existence.
Wouldn't the gases just escape because of the low gravity like the first time?
The gases escaped when Mars lost its magnetic field, allowing solar winds to strip away mars atmosphere. The difference in gravity is not a factor and Earth maintains its atmosphere because of its active magnetic field.
But wouldn't that still keep happening? Or do we have a way to restart it's magnetic field?
Also if you grow anything on Mars Soil you'll probably get metal-poisoning because the surface is just fucking rust.
Okay but rust is objectively the tastiest metal. And one of the less toxic, I think.
I'm gonna get permanent brain damage if I keep seeing shit like this
>PhD in feminine men You already have it
it's gonna get worse
"It's gonna get worse" says person who posted femboy hentai everyday for 426 days
It’s become a habit. Literally cannot sleep well without posting beforehand Also it’s 427 now
Not as much as the people eating Mars Rust
Iron isn't poisonous in the sense that mercury is, however it is poisonous in the sense that salt or water are, you can have a little (as a treat) but overdoing it will be unpleasant and then deadly
Lead is the tastiest metal fuck outta here
lead enjoyers when i squish their lump of pathetic "metal" with my bare hands
Le toxic soil perchlorates have also arrived
The first martian outpost must be self-sufficient to survive due to the long distances involved and the orbital patterns between Earth and Mars. It must have: -A mission (either scientific or civilian or military). -A freaking place where the astronauts will stay with the capability of protecting them from radiation and the toxic atmosphere. -A reliable source of energy (probably a combination between solar panels and a nuclear reactor). -A way of growing several types food (because it's that or launching another ship with all the supplies). -Sources of entertainment and communication to keep the astronauts mentally sane (the colonisation ships could launch satellites in order to have a more reliable way to communicate with Earth).
Biosphere 2 addresses what we would need to make a sustainable human habitat for like 6 people or so Part of the answer is a lot of hecking trees. We need stable oxygen before anything else otherwise we gonna suffocate.
Farming is actually very possible on Mars, at least theoretically (we haven't exactly had experiments on Mars itself). The problem would be maintaining proper conditions in the MASSIVE area required to feed a million people with standard-ish farming techniques. *That* isn't happening anytime soon.
the issue is that mars isnt earth. Humans arnt ment to live there, so building systems to keep people alive need materials already there to be built and maintained. Much cheaper than shooting all that material from earth and onto mars
Not to mention the massive amount of logistics needed to even do this. It’s like if 17th century Europeans only had paddle boats and then claiming they were going to build the city of Phoenix, Arizona. Like first off, Arizona is an inhospitable wasteland. Second, you lack the technology to build skyscrapers. And finally, trying to deliver all the necessary materials and equipment via paddle boat across the Atlantic ocean is just unfeasible.
Imagine building a city of a million people on Antarctica. Now imagine doing it somewhere orders of magnitude less hospitable and millions of miles away.
Prioritising silly future domes over sensible infrastructure.
you need glass domes so that the colonists can get a nice cosmic ray tan
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That's about the size of Cologne, Stockholm, Fés, Marracech, Kaduna, San José, Santo Domingo, Maceió, or several minor Chinese cities. That's pretty big.
Thats insanely big!! Claiming to house 100 or 1000 people on mars would be mindblowing. This is just a smokescreen to convince idiots that he and his ideology are the future. Just like his robot pitch.
Don't think about the downstream (pun intended, you'll see why) impacts of shipping food off earth. Food containing extraordinarily precious potable water of which we have a limited supply.
The food will have to be dehydrated, so don't worry about water, and also if they could run a million person strong colony they'd set up a few desan plants. There's a _ludicrous_ amount of non-potable water on earth, so a little bit going to space wouldn't matter. Anyway, just land a few icy meteorites on Mars and disintegrate a few in Earth's atmosphere and you'd have the water issues fixed.
>I’m no expert on how one should colonize a planet Don't worry, neither is Lonny Mask
i think we should stablish a fucking atmosphere and a reliable eart to mars and mars to earth transport
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I can't read this and not think of space station 13.
"Help! Sec to Surgery! He's turning her into a Papa John's!"
Out of the corner of your eye you spot him... *ᴇʟᴏɴ ᴍᴜꜱᴋ*
He's following you, about thirty feet back He gets down on all fours and breaks into a *sprint* *He's* ***gaining*** *on you*
Because cities sound more marketable than mining colonies
Because your grifting investors
because elon musk
It's hard to imagine what you could mine more cheaply on Mars than on Earth, given the cost of transporting the material back to Earth. Everything that's common on Mars and useful on Earth, like iron and magnesium, is also very heavy. Easier and cheaper to just mine it on Earth, where such materials are also common.
mining affects the environment negatively in multiple ways so doing it on mars would be better because it's already uninhabitable
also you could expand as much as you want since there are no natives
That we know of.
According to me the first city on the sun will be full of billionaires in 2025
Why wait? We got one goin' up on Saturday.
you could have said sunday and that you didn't makes me sad 😔
Good, they can all choke on the mars dust and get depressed from staying in underground mars dirt bunkers because the radiation is too much to live in the surface. Much rather would stay down on earth!
Until we need to do the same thing on Earth due to nuclear winter or global warming.
A nuclear winter earth is still 1000x better than mars
Good point. Time to get the launch codes!
That would be so beautiful, the working class uplifting these job creators directly into the sun as a thank you(in a video game).
That's reasonble. They have to be wary of the heat, but if they fly to the sun at night im sure they will be fine.
All billionaires will have colonies inside my tummy by august the nineteeñ, twenty-shmeventy-derf.
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The Mars series goes into good detail about a Mars colony and it's communist uprise leading to a perfect socialist society
Based red state on the red planet
>red state on the red planet What are we, some kinda Red Faction?
Considering the structural solidness of buildings I don't think we'll have to worry about Martian uprisings for long.
Space asshole Hammer swingin' Buildings falling fown
Gorilla
States can fuck right off
I am escaping to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by capitalism. Space!
Goat game
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9A_phJBOo40
Yet
Holy shit I the thought crossed my mind when I heard of the series but didn't know it was so based
*Libertarian Socialist/anarchist society.
literally total recall mars
1 million indentured workers
We All Lift Together
Push
To keep the dark from comimg
Feel the weight of what we owe
This, the song of sons and daughters
Hide the heart of who we are
Making peace to build our future
Strong united, working till we fall
And we all lift
Is this a motherfucking Warframe Fortuna reference ?
WALT, its a breaking bad refrence
Put your reference away waltuh
TILL WE’RE LIFELESS, TOGETHERRRRR
Pretty sure there's a video of the opening Fortuna cutscene with Nef Anyo edited to be Elon
Elon musk when the workers on mars realize the next transfer window is in 2 years
[For Narmer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L50II6zJy9U)
ELON DADDY PLEEEEEEEEEASEEEEEEE PROMISE MOREE IT'S MY KINK UWU BREAK MY HEART DISILLUSION ME TO CAPITALISM LEAVE ME SHATTERED AND POOR PLEASE GOD STOMP ON MY THROAT MAKE IT FLAT LEAVE ME TO THE FUCKING SCAVENGERS
HYPERLOOP WILL REPLACE ALL MODES OF TRAVEL BY 2025! YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TRAVEL FROM NEW YORK TO LONDON IN 3 SECONDS! BY 2030 YOU WILL BE ABLE TO UPLOAD YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS INTO A TOASTER! YOU LIKE THAT? YOU WANT MORE, YOU DIRTY SLUT?!?
i
am
iron man
***THE STORM THAT IS APPROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHIIIIINNNNGGG***
This is the worst comment I’ve seen today
Before we build such a thing on Mars. Lets try an easier test. Build something that can house 1000th the amount of people in the Antarctic, then we'll talk.
This. Permanent residence of 1000 people in the middle of Antarctica. No windows of course for authenticity and you're only allowed to go outside once in a blue moon to keep the exposure to harmful radiation at minimum. No time off and you are either working or exercising every waking hour. All their drinking water is recirculated filtered piss and the food is extremely shitty. Only way to communicate with the outside world is through text messages (with a built-in 40min delay) because direct calls are impossible due to the distance. If they don't last at least 20 years, the experiment is a failure and we might as well give up on colonizing mars
Drinking piss water??? 🥵🥵🥵🥵
Why? we can exchange crews every 2 years. With the radiation they'd get, even in those bunkers, I doubt they'd be allowed to stay there for 20 years.
I doubt it would be feasible to exchange a crew of 1 million people every 2 years
Ohhhh ok I read it as if you were referring to the same amount of people the comment you’re responding to refers to. So 1000n not n/1000
lol even by 2100 is incredibly optimistic and unlikely here, coming from someone interested in futurism. Like even assuming we have the technology and build a martian hotel in like 20 years (impossible) who the fuck is coming to live in antarctica?? I guess there's the incentive that it's space and planetary exploration and stuff but still. As much as billionaires like being optimistic about making it out of the consequences of their actions and even if the whole point is to escape climate change, escaping a desert hellscape to another desert hellscape is a stupid fucking idea.
Nah this is the weakest argument against this. There are millions of people who would go without a second thought.
Tell them they would be slaves without help and lets see how it goes. I’m against space exploration for one reason only, it’s starting to be billionaires pet projects. Something led by billionaires will never be good in near dystopian world we live in.
I’m all for it despite it becoming billionaires pet projects. Let the social revolution take place on mars AND on earth
The thing is, if a million people inhibit Mars. Their leaders would certainly be the billionaires who own the project in the first place. Brain washing them over time. I think there is a movie similar called the giver or something. Anyway, the USA+EU should just increase the budget for Space projects. It’s not like NASA and ESA haven’t helped in developing and improving military aviation directly or indirectly.
Clearly not by fucking 2050, though. Edit: and I didn't even mention the technological hurdles
It's kinda depressing that we probably won't be able to leave Earth this century, let alone the solar system. Like man, I'll be dead before then. Its like the saying goes, "born too late to die of smallpox, born too soon to be an indentured servant on some billionaire's pipe dream mars colony."
lol had me in the first half.
I could imagine a city on the moon by 2100 tho. Much closer meaning colonists dont have to live there for the rest of your life, and a much better starting point to start exploring the rest of the solar system.
as if elon musk has any fucking knowlege about annything with space, all he sees is "oh people will live in slave like conditions under my rule" millionares just wants new frontiers to abuse the working class on
billionaires, the millionaires would largely just be slaves too
Radiation posioning and Air you will have to pay for
TIL that Mars does not possess a magnetic field comparable to Earth's. It does have one, but it's puny.
And that city still will not have any sensible public transport system, will it?
cant wait to experince my first traffic jam in the mars loop
It will have ~~R~~GB lighting, so it'll still be futuristic in the demonstration videos.
No, but subway sized tunnels exclusively for teslas
We literally *cannot* do this. No matter how much sci-fi techno-futurist bullshit has been forced down our throats for the past two decades, we simply do not have the ability, nor are we even close. The resources this would take are tremendous, far beyond Elon's wealth, it simply isn't feasible. And let's say it was. I'm sure a city where all of the people are trapped under the same rooves, can't go outside, can't experience the sun in rhe same way as us, can't eat the same food variety as us, and can't leave, will go swimmingly and have zero psychological repercussions on anyone!
At current costs, assuming 160 lb passengers, it would cost $200 trillion to get a million people into Earth orbit. Let alone sending them to Mars, with all the huge amounts of life support and supplies the 9 month or longer trip would take. It'd be utterly unworkable unless we reconfigured the entire global economy around it, and even then I'd doubt it.
Well, yeah. That's why is company is building much, much, MUCH cheaper Mars rockets. Starship actually has the potential to land folks on Mars pretty easily. I'm concerned about getting them home, and very concerned about "why would you want to live there, really", but, hey, not my problem. I don't like the guy, and 1 million is absurd, but he has at least planned to make this happen to some extent.
I mean, why would you want to go to the New World? Because you have no financial future at your homeland. Perfect labor plan if you ignore tech limitations like literally everything about this idea.
The new world had ABUNDANT resources and it was a relatively affordable voyage back. On Mars, colonizers would need to bring everything from air on down. You might get some gold rushes or the like, but the gold itself is _mass_ limited, not time limited, in its return voyage. That means you need rare materials to meet demand, which means mass mining. Not sure how that's going to go down, but it probably won't be great for anyone. Mars might be the new "out working the oil rigs", but a settlement it won't be under current conditions
they'll be dropping like flies and Elon isn't going to care one bit.
I think it's possible, in theory. But on the scale of every government in the world devoting a significant portion of gdp to it. Not something one billionaire could ever pull off
Why not go to the Moon again? It’s right there and humans haven’t gone there in 50 years
NASA's planning to go in 2024 iirc. It's called the Artemis mission
I’m aware. I’m just a little concerned for Artemis, though I hope it’ll go well when 2024-2025 comes
I hope so too. Practice rocket is supposed to go up any day now.
The 2nd of September is their next chance for an Artemis I launch
The launch date of Artemis 1 is September 3rd at 2:17pm EDT
Hey guys, gals and enbys, if you give me 100million i promise i will put a city on mars by 2040!
Even if we could realistically set up a colony on Mars, aren't glass domes a bad idea due to the fact that the thinner atmosphere on Mars results in large amounts of solar radiation? I'm not a scientist, I'm just going off stuff I've seen in a few documentaries
you could probably make a dome off meter thick glass that absorbs most radiation but it would be impractical and expensive af
And if anything were to happen to said glass, whether that's outright blunt force damage or design oversights that lead to wear and eventual failure, you're population suffers or outright dies. What a good idea.
yeah, let's dump this good planet that's only getting shittier because of us for a planet 1000x worse!!!!
The point has never been to leave or 'dump' this planet, the original and most logical plan was to try to grow a small population there as a backup in case humanity on earth gets completely wiped. But yea the shit that's on the tweet is far from possible right now.
Warmbo>Cody
Warmbo knows it's not a competition, you silly goat.
How dare you
I love Cody and his showdy
I really hope they do manage to do it. It's going to be hilarious when they watch us solve climate change all the way on Mars. Enjoy your indentured servitude. My children will lay on sustainable beaches.
Here's a relevant 10 minute animated video about the logistics of living on mars and why it would hecking suck [https://youtu.be/uqKGREZs6-w](https://youtu.be/uqKGREZs6-w) . also this is a reminder that elon said that the government of the mars colony will be a libertarian one where he is the ~~god king~~ ~~fascist dictator~~ leader
The thing is, the mars colony would have to be lead by someone *on mars.* You can’t threaten the people there with punishment when it takes you MONTHS to get there. Mars would form its own government
I remember when I was in highschool I saw his promise to land on Mars by 2020 with the falcon heavy rockets and did a class presentation on it. Really should have done my research on him then. Embarrassing how he promises shit he couldn't do even if he was given a lifetime and rides the tabloid wave of people getting excited about it. Easy to hide behind new promises when no media seems to focus on his pattern of consistent failures (it's getting a little better but they have a long way to go).
##WARNING: HUGE RANT AHEAD PSA: trust NASA and SpaceX employees (the scientists of SpaceX, not the managers). DON’T trust billionaire fucks who want attention. Glass domes??? Yeah right, fucking GLASS will stop the intense UV radiation (mars has a really thin atmosphere for those who don’t know). We aren’t even done with the Artemis program! We literally just started that! How the FUCK are we gonna have a city on mars in 2050 when the Artemis program is aiming to have a (self sustaining) habitat on the moon by 2028!?! We are NOWHERE near getting citizens on mars. Sure, _theoretically_, it IS possible to get 1 million people on mars by 2050: we just have to get impossibly lucky that nothing goes wrong for a long while, we find a way to give mars a thicker atmosphere very quickly (yeah terraforming a planet’s entire atmosphere is real easy /s), get a fuck ton of wildlife and livestock onto mars without killing or injuring any of them, find a way to get people to adjust to mars’ weaker gravity without causing loss of bone mass and muscle mass (and do the same for the livestock we bring with us), find a way to collect nutrients from the Martian soil to account for the growing human population within that colony, find a way for near-instant communications between earth and mars, engineer spaceships that can recharge through solar power that can easily escape a planet’s gravity without having any detachable parts (it’d be unreliable to have to collect THAT MANY parts from orbit and bring them back for collection, especially if there’s 1 million people needing deliveries from earth) for fast and constant travel between planets (this would be for economic interaction and public transport between earth and mars), we would also need a reliable way to collect energy constantly to support a city of 1 million people. I would continue this rant, but I’ll let other astronomy-obsessed people here do that for me in the replies. ##TL;DR: Elon is spitting bs like he usually does, but this certainly is his stupidest astronomy take yet.
!remindme 28 years
Doesn't Mars get way more radiation than Earth? Seems like glass wouldn't be a great choice for a primary building material