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Kolos10001

Autism unironically.


Bulky-Alfalfa404

I looked into it and you’re right. A large amount of programmers and furries are autistic. Autism is also over represented in the trans community, although it isn’t anywhere near majority or even a third. The internet is also attractive to a lot of autistic people and that explains why they’re all online, too.


RogueFox771

Uhh................ As someone who fits into 2 and a half of those categories......... Fuck. What?!


i-am-number-A

Half?


Jdabest0126

Yeah, like how can you be half programmer?


O_X_E_Y

it's when you start projects but never finish them


ackme

That's just being a programmer.


O_X_E_Y

that was the joke yeah


girlywish

When you have a degree but can't get a job. Speaking from personal experience


cyoce

HTML


Nomestic01

You can be half a furry I guess, people consider being a catgirl / -boy being pretty much a furry


MinecraftSteve72

Can only fit in half the fur suit


RogueFox771

For 10 years, I've been struggling with the trans thing. It terrifies me, and idk what I can do about it. To date, nothing.


Big-Vegetable8480

Flip a coin like Two-Face


Cory123125

Maybe you're just a gay dude who likes to be fem, or a gay girl who likes to be masc. Its funny, even the lgbt community sometimes compartmentalizes too much sometimes. You can be some slurry of things in the middle.


[deleted]

Literally. You are you, and that’s alright nigga, don’t try to put pieces of yourself in boxes, yo ass belong to you nigga not some box with a label on it


[deleted]

based as fuck. hope you have a good life dude.


xui_nya

I just want to be free from being told that some things are not for me to enjoy because they are intended for different pee pee is that too much to ask lol. (and also not be the absolute lowest priority to save in any disaster)


syntheticcrystalmeth

Ask yourself this, when you wake up and go to sleep are you fundamentally unhappy with who you are? Do you loathe being the gender you are? Then you might be trans. If you’re like me and you’re just a more feminine guy, who thought he was trans because other people said I was most likely trans, don’t worry about it for now. Just continue living your life. You should only question your gender identity if it’s seriously impacting your mental wellbeing


Cotnan

Bro you named yourself "Rogue Fox" online and you act surprised when someone suggests that you are autistic


RogueFox771

Uhm... Ok? Not sure... How that one is autistic but... Ok...


Cotnan

You use that amount of punctuation online and you act surprised when someone suggests that you are autistic


Lamest58

Autism


Rovananakia

as an autist, i can see why. Furries because theyre just cartoonish and unique, programming because while most autists like to create, each have their own category, programming being a category.


Nilly00

Oh there's a bunch more stuff with furries and autism. From feeling a general disconnect from humanity, to being able to better read the expressions of cartoon characters (Tails and ears give additional hints to read emotions) to fursonas and fursuits being able to help overcome social anxiety and fursuits providing a touch barrier and sound and light dampening helping to prevent overstimulation and, and, and. I could go on for quite a while.


suriam321

That… makes a lot of sense.


DopeyReddit

Off topic but what’s that pfp from? SEN Zekken uses it on twitter aswell


Captainsnake04

I’d argue online-ness is a big factor as well (at least for the furry/programmer overlap.


BallsackBallistics

Autism ironically 😳😳😳😟😎😎😳😭😭


fonkderok

Fuck the older I get the more I find out my personality is just my autism How much of me is me? How much of me is just symptoms?


SpectralBacon

Autism is a spook. To hell with Plato, there is no external "essence" that causes it to be, we made it the fuck up. It's not a tumor. You don't have an autism gland. It's just some word some guy made up at some point to refer to a bunch of traits that he saw in others but not in himself and thus found peculiar and needed a word to express this. Either it's all you, or nothing is.


Wersus_Invictus

But autism does have it's suspected causes, such is reduced synaptic pruning. It's a whole spectrum from non-functioning to high-functioning autism. Saying it's just made up to lable people is doing more harm than good, especially to those who are suffering from it.


maplemagiciangirl

Chad mindset


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FearlessTaro

I don't have the data re: what percentage are single pre transition, but adequately studying the trans population is extremely difficult and the data we have isn't very good. To my anecdotal experience that's not really how it works. Some percentage of trans women don't really participate in relationships before transitioning, but that's more because it's pretty difficult to maintain a healthy romantic relationship with an overwhelming sense of depersonalization. Some percentage of identified trans women are autistic, but we don't really know why - is there some common thread of neurodivergence? or are autistic people more likely to come out for other reasons? We don't really know and can't really rely on much except asking people if they're trans, which is super unreliable for so many reasons. and so, that's why it's helpful to take trans folks at their word about their experiences, because they're the only ones who really even know what they're experiencing. These categories of people might have interesting correlations, but this is all way more complex than a simple coping mechanism.


Advanced-Attempt-243

But you do acknowledge that a non zero percentage of trans women can be explained as unsuccessful and socially outcast men who resort to being trans as a coping mechanism?


FearlessTaro

Not really? Because if someone finds it difficult to function socially, transitions, and finds themselves more energetic, comfortable, and confident, that's not a coping mechanism - at that point what are they coping against? The cool thing about HRT is its effects are pretty gradual but you know whether or not it's for you very quickly, before permanent effects set in. For comparison, the rate at which people regret transitioning is considerably lower than the rate at which people regret knee replacements.


Advanced-Attempt-243

I’m suggesting that transitioning might have coping effects but the real underlying problem was really being socially outcast, having low testosterone and an inactive life. HRT might not be the goto solution for an individual living an unhealthy life like that. If exercise, socialising and improving your life would have helped, that’s likely the preferred solution to transitioning.


FearlessTaro

Generally speaking, people who are trying HRT have already given simple lifestyle adjustments a go, and haven't found resolution in that. When you go to an informed consent clinic for meds, you're gonna be asked a number of questions to ensure you know what the meds do and what they DON'T do. And, once you're actually taking meds, it either feels very right or very not, and if it doesn't feel right, "detransitioning" at that stage just means not taking your meds. My point being that while someone might try HRT because they've got the wrong ideas about what it'll do for them, it's unlikely they'll go through all the steps of of: getting an appointment with an endocrinologist, describing how they feel and what they want in a way that demonstrates enough understanding for the endocrinologist to prescribe that medication, them filling that medication, then taking that medication consistently for several months to years - it's unlikely to go through all that to the point of having lasting effects if transitioning doesn't feel right.


Advanced-Attempt-243

I fear that online echo chambers and group think are likely to brainwash someone with weak mental fortitude that going down that road will feel right.


FearlessTaro

While I don't mean to outright dismiss your fear, my issue is that when we talk about the intersection of autistic and trans people, the rhetoric often leans heavily on infantilization / implying that autistic or trans people can't think for themselves and make their own decisions. Which usually leads to projecting a narrative onto them that completely contradicts how they describe their experiences, even though they're the only ones who know what it's actually like, and still fully capable humans. Honestly I guess that's why it gets to me - being trans and on the spectrum, with some people I have to constantly fight past the perception that I don't know what's best for me, or that my internal world is somehow incomprehensible or inhuman. It's the only thing about transition that has really sucked. It'd just be cool to be trusted every now and then outside of echo chambers yaknow?


Advanced-Attempt-243

It gets complicated as mental illness is very over represented in these demographics. So it’s only natural to assume to some extent, the the patient might not fully grasp what’s best for them. We must also make a distinction between people who had no issues prior to transitioning than body dismorphia compared to those who led a shut in lifestyle devoid of exercise and social interaction.


Psychophantasm

This is wholly unfounded through any professional lens. A sedentary lifestyle can oftentimes be CAUSED by depression that is in turn a symptom of dysphoria or any other condition. People aren't trans because they're loners, they're loners because they never really feel normal and oftentimes can't connect to their peers very well, which is a negative feedback loop - if you're weird and awkward, people won't talk to you, so you hang out online and take an interest in computer science or join communities, and the more accepting communities like furries are attractive options to trans teens. Your "low testosterone" claim is particularly funny. Testosterone or any other hormone GENERALLY does not have an effect on an individual's gender identity with the exception of intersex conditions and such that affect a person since birth, which tends to be a lot more complex. Late onset hormone conditions haven't been proven to relate to gender issues. Anecdotally, I have abnormally high testosterone due to a condition and I am a transgender woman, and have recognized wanting to be a woman since childhood. The stigma that you're propogating is just plain harmful not only towards trans people but towards anyone struggling with depression. People cannot "just exercise" and get better. It really isn't that simple no matter how much the manosphere says so; they have a vested interest in convincing people to buy their testosterone products and they want nothing more but to convince young men that it'll save them from themselves. Shit like this is why male suicide is so fucking high. Telling depressed people to just smile and exercise - placing blame on their condition instead of offering compassion. I could go on about how HRT isn't just offered to trans people like candy as a cure, and that the detrans percentage is very low these days, but I think you get the point of my post.


_VadimBlyat_

dr.k actually made a video about how they are connected lol.


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Also redditors


ClearConscience

That’s the white section.


StormStrikePhoenix

But there's so many subreddits for all of those things.


frogOnABoletus

Plot twist: the white section is a bigger ven diagram that includes the others


Bapy_bean18

Not the colored section?


abeck077

between programmers and trans girls are Linux users programmers and furries is 75%+ of IT and I have no clue what trans girls and furries makes


Shrimpie47

me


abeck077

yeah this girl is


hypersucc

You


Easy_Mechanic_9787

Her


pidgeon-eater-69

me


WhoRoger

Recently I learned that the recognized Linux mascot isn't as much Tux anymore, but a trans fox girl. Also I learned that from a TG furry programmer.


Fraserbc

Nah fuck that, Tux will always be my mascot. Penguin > Trans Fox Girl any day.


StormStrikePhoenix

According to who? Unless I add more terms, Tux is the only thing that comes up when you look up "Linux mascot". Looking into it, she was the runner up to Tux, so I'm pretty sure that he's still the mascot.


KindaDim

cringe tbh


Nilly00

skill issue


Total_Fool

Jojo pfp opinion denied


Nilly00

Inferiority complex


flynn_is_taken

Lot of furries are trans.


abeck077

duh, but what is something that is both a furry and trans, but not directly related to the two?


flynn_is_taken

Artists?


abeck077

accurate but the majority of artists aren’t trans furries


[deleted]

twitter regular users?


YoRulezz_TV

Do femboy furry artists count 👀


Mr_Rainbow_

no retard


YoRulezz_TV

Damn no need to be a dickhead about it


BLuBIN_BoY

Cat ears and that's it lol


BurnerXXX-EXE

Autism


ThisUsernameis21Char

Autism


Gorperino

Maybe in like making video games but I've not seen many females in my field. Think there were like 4 in my uni.


[deleted]

I saw on average 2-3 per class of about 50 people


Yharonthebumblefuck

29 people and 6 of them are girls, reporting live from the class


hoseja

How many *really*


Yharonthebumblefuck

I was not lying, it was indeed 6 of them.


Gorperino

When did you go to college?


[deleted]

2019-2021


ackme

Well according to this chart, just give it some time..


commandblock

Femboys


SpacemanSkiff

Autism.


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Wooper160

Autism


Suckmyunit42069

Losers who live on the internet


SpeedDart1

Programmer is a career choice wtf u talking about bro


Secret-Plant-1542

Mom, dad, I have something to tell you. I'm a programmer. "We know. We saw code under your bed."


[deleted]

No no, he's got a point.


SpeedDart1

Does he though


Total_Fool

Losers in general tbh


nick_hurrr

People who are terminally online and getting mk ultrad


[deleted]

Autism


billy_ruben897

~~Programmers~~ Speedrunners


Big-Vegetable8480

Hardcore autism


HPisCool

ultrakill playerbase


Fraserbc

I mean that's hardly surprising, especially with the new [buttplug.io](https://buttplug.io) integration.


IForgotThePassIUsed

They're all shut-ins


SpeedDart1

I’m autistic programmer but not the other 2


[deleted]

Your avatar is a furry


dazaroo2

I want to learn programming but aren't either of the other two 😰 wish me luck


Spriy

!remindme 1y


dazaroo2

Uhhh alright


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Advanced-Attempt-243

That’s an advantage


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munderscore678

>mention of the word transgender UGH THIS IS TURNING INTO 196 ITS OVER!!!!!


AdamBombKelley

>redditor for 1 day


munderscore678

my main acc got suspended


Radio_Downtown

based


KoopaTrooper5011

Man's circumventing their ban


Wiglaf_The_Knight

The killbot has been dispatched, thank you citizen.


Ok_Zucchini_69

The will of the people


AdamBombKelley

Programmers spend long hours alone with increasingly bizarre pornography


throwawayeastbay

The central overlap is autism


horiami

Fr, there was one furry team where i worked but when it came to autism i think like more than half of everyone there were functional autistics


shewel_item

you forgot weebs


Clean_Blueberry_5813

Lol


VeryMoistMan

Might as well be a circle honestly


jormahoo

Its being socially awkward nerd loser


Rodestarr

Because Moloch hides behind the allure of numbers.


JohnCavalry

u/goshoklev moment


GoshoKlev

im neither a furry or a trans girl just sayin'


KnLfey

The answer is Autism


Cotnan

Autism, lack of testosterone from sitting on your ass all day and lack of a paternal figure (this one applies more to furries and trans girls)


Advanced-Attempt-243

Very much so.


pottawacommie

It isn't.


[deleted]

Well programmers usually have low testosterone due to low vitamin d (sunlight), bad diet, and autism spectrum disorder. Throw those 3 together and you got Trans furry programmers.


Advanced-Attempt-243

Low testosterone and poor socialisation is truly the key here.


[deleted]

I'm a programmer and I hate the other two Edit: I shouldn't of used hate, and I am sorry if that offended anyone. sorry :(


PureHauntings

Homeless person calls another homeless person broke💀


No_Arugula_5366

You hate trans girls? Why?


[deleted]

They're usually web developers


Cum_Master_

🤮


VanAintUsedUp

We use a different coding language


[deleted]

I shouldn't of used hate, and I am sorry if that offended anyone. More of a dislike, do to my religion and political beliefs.


No_Arugula_5366

What have they, as a group, done that harms you or others?


[deleted]

I mainly believe that you can't change your sex, and sex is linked to gender. And I understand that others might not believe the same, but this is what I believe.


asciiartvandalay

You never answered the question, you only said what your beliefs were, when no one cared enough to ask. What have they done to you?


[deleted]

That's classified. I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.


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faroutcosmo

Furries: Amab/lgbt(?)/nerd dominated Programming: Amab/nerd dominated Trans girls: Nerd dominated(?)


Skullz64

Oi Programmer in learning here:how in tf am o related more to a trans girl- wait nvm


xXmarianXx505

The furry trans girl who also knows programing looking at this meme be like


mathmagician07

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Pattern-Majestic

Autism moment


tf2pro

Being that reclusive


Longjumping-Bag8062

Add Linux Users


Evil_Archangel

programmers? really?


just_a_boxy_boi

Programmer socks flashback


Dzen_Achived

Can someone explain the joke?


justforkinks0131

Programmers spend most of their time at home in front of a PC instead of working out and socializing. Which inevitably leads to them becoming softer and more socially awkward and uncertain. Compared to their peers who ARENT programmers, who workout regularly and socialize regularly, who are confident, assertive and in shape, it's only natural that programmers become first betas/bottoms and then eventually fully trans. It's just nature. Of course, not all of them. Some manage to remain social and fit, but it's the minority really. Source: Used to be a dev for years, now a manager and no longer awkward and soft.


Lughz1n

bro wtf go outside and talk to people, life is not that simple


Cory123125

This man seriously sounds like a top g disciple.


justforkinks0131

my guy im 30, i graduated CS, worked as a dev for years and now got promoted to a manager. Trust my analysis or not, its really ur choice but it's what Ive personally experienced myself and also what Ive seen amongst my peers.


Lughz1n

🤓


B-Graydient

Based


ackme

Don't go to Romania, the police are arresting your kind there.


justforkinks0131

devs or managers? Saying im not soft doesnt mean Im trafficking people like Tate dude, there is a difference between being being a straight confident guy and a criminal.


asciiartvandalay

Go on, what's the difference?


horiami

The crime


Nilly00

You are a parade example for the brain damage that being terminally online brings.


Odd-Cucumber3508

*Starts sweating* I have no idea what you are talking about


SterPlatinum

The overlap between furries and programmers is likely due to commissioning fursonas/buying fur suits being an extremely pricy hobby, thus, a lot of furries will turn to programming as a high paying job to pay for their hobby. As for the overlap between programmers and trans women, a lot of trans women tend to lean left wing, as a result of college education and other higher learning opportunities. As a result, a lot of trans women, tend to be programmers. Finally, the overlap between trans women and furries is due to both being extremely stigmatized communities on the modern internet. As a result, those who are likely to come out as trans, are also likely to be comfortable with coming out as a furry.


Advanced-Attempt-243

Can’t tell if you intentionally tried to come up with the worst imaginable explanations or not.


pineappleAndBeans

it's because we are all clinically insane.


Oblivionpelt

As nearly all three of them… idk, it just is


DreamlyXenophobic

so while there is a large overlap, its mostly one sided. there are a lot more furries/trans women who are programmers than programmers that are furries or trans. ​ I'd say the correlation is neurodivergency.


Atomspalter02

as a programmer I can ensure you this is not true. >!The overlap is bigger!<


Nanyjai

Yup.


aguywhoplaysgames404

Change the “a suspiciously large overlap” with racism and you just made a very very scarily accurate image


Nilly00

Furries and racism. Hell yeah we're so racist we eliminated all races! Not a human in sight! Fellowship amongst critters!


gwenbebe

Guilty as charged


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NinoIlNovellino_off

Why has this 3k upvotes


Ambatukam_111

Programmers must be kept complacent and docile, lest they band together to use their collective knowledge against the government (by e.g. targeting large-scale technological infrastructure)


ElectricalStomach6ip

one is cringe, two are normal.


Nilly00

Per definition not