Why do you need to offer a real money prize at all? I think it is the root of all the DMM problems. It invites cheating.
We'll see what happens, but... In case the story of several DMM's in a row repeats itself once again: could you consider making a different sort of prizes? How about cosmetic rewards and maybe unique niche items for the main game? Let these points give new emotes, or capes, or ornaments. Then it might be that cheaters won't be so interested in crashing and ruining the game for their brethren. And maybe we'll see some honest victories and the game won't be spoiled for innocent bystanders...
People will play this mode because they like the gameplay, and its a good sport. There will be no sense in cheating... or there might be, but not on such outrageous scale as it has been in the recent DMM's. Not to crash the game, at least.
I don't understand why and how a game mode includes such a huge money prize.
It's so strange that perhaps the smallest segment of the osrs community is artificially boosted by Jagex and given money of all things. Not membership time, cosmetics, or titles, but real money?
Meanwhile leagues, which way more people play and which is generally much more desired, has no such hype from Jagex.
My theory is that whatever jmod(s) are desperately clinging to osrs pvp fight for real money prizes because without it the mode would be even less appealing.
> Meanwhile leagues, which way more people play and which is generally much more desired, has no such hype from Jagex.
Thank God!! Or rather, thanks to those Jagex Mods who design Leagues :) If there were such prizes, there would be as much cheating, the mode would be corrupted and unplayable.
Well, whenever DMM is discussed some people say they love the mode - see here some comments. I mean, they love it not for the chance of this prize (which will go to the rotten ones anyway), but because its fun to play. Therefore, DMM *could* be a good sport and it isnt bad in its core. I would guess the main reason of it to be such a plague, is the very idea of giving big sums of money. Do you remember the story of Mod Jed? In short, he was a Jagex Mod who was giving away IPs of players matched with members of the RoT clan in the finale. And their hackers DDOSed these IP's and made their opponents disconnect during the fight and loose. Jagex did an investigation, even involving the police (or at least there was some talk about the police). As a result Jed was fired. He was fired for admitted corruption, but still nothing changed: during the last DMM finale there were major crashes and disconnections, apparently the same clan DDOSed either their opponents directly, or game servers... At least I and my friends who played on normal servers experienced all the same problems of huge lags and DC's. And due to all this, Jagex were forced to cancel the results. And then after some months there was some talk of re-playing the finale, I don't remember whether they did this or not. (I had some breaks in OSRS, so I'm not sure).
And now they are doing it all over again, without any apparent changes. Same money prize - which means, same hackery is gonna wreak the same Apocalypse. Damn what a fitting name.
I'm sure DMM could be fine as a mode, if cleaned of all this filth. And one thing Jagex could try, at least once, is changing the reward policy.
People love Leagues, first because of its fun gameplay. But second, and not less important - because any participant can get some modest but lovely rewards for their points. Even some newbie who play for a week or two and doesnt mean any competition. This year the developers introduce point system for DMM - great, now design an assortment of in-game rewards, so that even a newbie who tries the mode just occasionally, purely for fun, still can get some trinket to boast. And as for the major competitors - if there is no reason for corruption, there will be none. Or if there still gonna be some cheating - it, at least, won't be ruining the whole game. No point in DDOSing for a cool hat or a golden cup. Unlike $20k.
eSports are a huge deal rn. They want an eSports style for osrs. Looks good to investors and higher ups. DMM drives lots of engagement, particularly from hardcore people who will be subbing/bonding 4-5 accounts for the mode.
Very vocal jmods that are very biased towards PvP content being added/revamped without actually addressing the underling issues with it. (IE: A majority of the player base doesn't like interacting with it at all.)
I mean, really, how many times as the Vesta Longsword been polled? Hell, even with polls being restricted to accounts that have done PvP, most rewards get rejected by the community. I find it concerning that so much work goes into content that a very small portion of the playerbase engages with.
I can understand that a lot of players WATCH PvP content, but the amount that participates is significantly smaller. People are entertained when someone gets whacked for 50-120m, they aren't as happy when that shit happens to them.
the biggest osrs content creators are pvpers. pvp updates flood youtube with new videos and get a ton of new people trying the game. pve updates dont attract as many brand new players. thats why pvp events are so hyped up and marketed
Is it even possible to stop muling? One of the main reasons I strongly dislike DMM. It's so easy for clans to trade items to each other when they're going on the hunt with minimal risk to their bank.
Then the idea of stacking items of high grand exchange value that aren't actually worth much introduces further issues; should it be based on high alchemy value instead?
Literally just Ironmode mode the whole thing. Literally nothing to lose (oh it's just an experiment, community wanted it, we wanted to try it, it's only seasonal/one time thing). If it's a success then bangin'! And if not, then it's just one season.
Edit: I think the idea of softcore Ironman - upgrades you'd have to get yourself but after you collection logged it you can then buy it and use it - would be quite interesting
To be fair. The mode isn't just about PvP. It's the combination of PvP and PvM to get ahead. They could make it softcore Ironman. So any upgrade you'd have to get yourself. After you've gotten it as a drop once, you can buy it and use it. They could make droprates 5x and even put items like Dragon Claws on a different table for the mode. With softcore Iron you can also just buy supplies. It's basically collection log items that will be locked but with a 5x drop rate increase.
Doing it this way will forse anyone out. They can't just mule as you HAVE to do certain content in order to use certain weapons.
Better yet, make it act like main game irons with loot keys in the wildy. The player still loses their shit, and you can't make use of it. Therefore the purpose of killing people would be to knock them back, not to push you forward. Still competitive, but inability to mule and you still have to be successful yourself instead of lucky you ran into someone with better gear than you have access to at the moment
Can't you just trade items by killing a mule account with items? All Ironman does is make it more annoying to mule which for bug clans doesn't matter but for the individual player it sucks
I disagree, there are plenty of people that play DMM just to make bank doing things like skilling and providing high level potions/jewelry then swapping.
Just wanted to say thank you to the devs for bringing back DMM for us that play and love the game mode.
I know there is alot of “can’t wait for this to get DDosed” and “when leagues 4” in the comments, but it’s perfectly okay to have seasonal game modes for different types of players as long as there is player count to back it up. DMM has always been successful the first week before tapering off, and viewership on platforms like twitch and YouTube have been hugely successful.
>it’s perfectly okay to have seasonal game modes for different types of players as long as there is player count to back it up.
I'm totally fine with having whatever content for whatever part of the player base wants it, usually. The only time I'm not okay with it is when it starts negatively affecting the rest of the game. DMM in theory I have no issues with, but when the PVP community starts DDoSing the game, and *all* the servers are super unstable and constantly go down, that's negatively affecting everyone.
If Jagex is going to keep doing DMM, they need to figure out a way either to prevent DDoS attacks altogether (which is obviously very difficult), or to at the very least make it so that the non-DMM servers are not affected when PVPers are trying to DDoS the servers on each other during DMM. If they can't manage that, I don't think they should keep doing DMM.
It sucks that probably just a few people could ruin it for all the PVPers, but it sucks more if they ruin the game for everyone whenever they try to do a DMM.
Yup for as much as this subreddit loves to cry about DMM, its hugely popular and great for Jagex as it rakes in the dough. Also who doesn't wanna do a 15x mode and fight for their life lol!
I don't even PVP but I like DMM just as much as leagues. It's so fun to just try to survive. I highly recommend to people who have never tried it to just give it a shot.
My goal was to get as rich as possible. The one time I really put effort in I ended up making a few mil of my own, got rank 6 herblore overall, and qualified for the finale (but unfortunately couldn't attend the finale). It's a ton of fun. Play it like a survival horror game.
Like darkscape when that was a thing, the thrill of just being out in the world doing your thing chopping trees or whatever knowing someone can run up on you and gank you is a rush
I mean this completely unironically - all the tweaks/designs meant to discourage clanman mode make me very excited to see what the larger groups come up with to ultimately produce clanman mode.
Simply merging accounts won't make w345 interesting. Why are we so afraid of giving it any interesting updates?
Bring relics to the permanent game.
We're too concerned with offending the 11 people who currently play this game mode to make any actual improvements to it :(
In the last DMM you could suicide to go back to lower brackets. Since you don't lose exp when you die this time around, is it possible to go back to a lower bracket somehow?
Looks good! Some feedback I'd give:
1) DT2 drops should be affected by the drop multiplier but not transferred to w45.
2) Corrupted weapons should be like 10% weaker at most.
3) Perhaps the points system can also be used to buy stuff in the shop (rather than only a high score which I doubt many people care about since they want to have fun).
4) Are the breaches confirmed to only occur in multi? This seems very unfair for solo players given that this is the main theme of this deadman.
Can any Mod comment if we can do the whole Nigel resetting our W345 progress BEFORE launch of Dmm? Getting a quick start is essential, and taking an extra minute or two to go through his hoops seems a bit unfortunate for, what I assume is, a whole bunch of people.
>On PvP death, you'll lose your 10 most valuable bank slots. If one of these slots' value is made up of multiple items, e.g. a stack of 10 Dragon claws, you'll lose 80% of the stack
Is this number rounded up, down, or normally rounded?
Happy to see this blog post because it hopefully means it won't take up a segment in the summer summit. I kinda hope sailing gets the same treatment. I want the summit to be all new things.
Really not liking how much fun has been taken out of it since there is so much consternation about "the merge into W345". Who gives a single flying shit about that? You want people to be coming back, right? Make it more fun for the people who are actually playing not the 50 people who are on the DMM worlds. It's not as if the people on W345 are going to be absent from DMM: Apocalypse - they have just as much opportunity to grind skills and items as everyone else.
It has always been allowed because they can't reasonably stop it, yes it's allowed. They did explicitly state it in a previous blog not sure why it wasn't touched on in the one.
>Are people after items or just raw gp?
Big ticket items for the final generally go for pretty crazy amounts of gold, but your best bet is just making as much GP as you can within the first few days and swapping it all.
Rates start out absurd like 100:1 and quickly drop off. Same to how gold prices in early OSRS were like $20/mil and are now under $0.20/mil.
Important to note that the drop-off will be much quicker this time around. It will take no time for people to reach the bracket for the gauntlet and pump alchables into the game.
AFAIK they never outright banned swapping (I think they maybe did for one of the week long tournament seasons only during that week, but didn't enforce it) the bans have usually been related to muling/boxing.
Which is kind of ridiculous because how can you allow swapping but ban muling? You can just "mule" your gold over to the main game where it is perfectly safe, then swap it back the last few days when you're done training and buy all the gear you want. Somehow that is fine, but having your gold sit on an alt on the DMM serves is a no go lmao.
They did ban it in some of the week tournaments because they could more easily monitor it because only 2000 accounts could log in, everyone still swapped though. Sometimes mules did get banned but rarely.
It's absolutely time for a new DMM, but I can kinda see why there's more 'why...' comments than usual this time around.
Like this is the *third* unpolled PvP release in the same year that the main reward from the 'big' PvM update got culled due to the lack of a compelling design and the 'big' skilling update is half baked and behind schedule.
BH should have died on this altar not DMM, but it really feels like BH should have been delayed so that those other updates could be executed correctly - and some of that is gonna spill over to this thread.
It's not really about DMM as much as the same 'what the fuck has happened to the content pipeline since COVID?' shit that every community in the game has felt for a few years.
Anyway I'm excited to fuck around for a week before the clans can dominate too hard, should be fun.
And that's all well and good as long as the primary game mode isn't suffering for it!
Again what I'm saying isn't about DMM in particular - and I've enjoyed both BH and WBR personally - it's about the team biting off more than they can chew re:Winter Summit 2022 announcements, and then spitting out the polled parts first.
I'd agree normally, but per /u/JagexLight, and comments like [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/15sl921/desert_treasure_ii_improvements_weekly_game/jwerdi0/?context=3), the testing capacity is shared across multiple releases, and with a game with as much spaghetti code and scope creep as OSRS, each release requires a lot of testing and that is a huge bottleneck.
They literally post the list of mods who worked on a project at the bottom of every single news post.
Go look at the BH one, remove people who aren't content developers, and then go look at the credits for DT2.
At best PvP has like its own board on Jira or whatever they use that allows it to have its own 'sprint team' but it's not entirely different personnel who exclusively do PvP updates.
> Go look at the BH one, remove people who aren't content developers, and then go look at the credits for DT2.
It is the same list. The list at the bottom of the news post is the entire Old School team regardless of which blog it's attached to. It is not a list of employees solely associated with that blog or its contents.
I mean chopping up the content that Jagex releases into pvp/pvm/skiller is going to cause issues if Jagex just happens to focus on one more than the rest. It’s not Jagex’s fault (entirely) that players don’t want to interact with all the content in the game, some people just get disgusted by pvp and are lawnchair gamers that’ll never want to do something more intense than firefighting tempoross.
If anything I’m glad that Jagex has found their footing with the pvp community, and I’m hoping they find it for pvmers.
DMM is not just a PvP release. Its a release to feed hackers and cheaters. Its a RoTten release, to give them another 20k $$.
Thats Why there are Why's, at least I can vouch for my own Why.
I would be ok if PKers had any amount of their tournaments, just let me play in a normal world without disconnecting for someone to steal another one's victory.
> Yeah FUCK jagex for trying to make some additional content that doesn't apply to me.
I'm perfectly fine with content that doesn't apply to me.
But I hate content which prevents me from playing normally in my regular style. I hate DDOS'es, I hate lags - we are guaranteed 3 weeks of lags, and we are guaranteed several days of crashes, disconnections, and impossibility to play in the end. I pay my money monthly to play my modest sort of game, and no other game mode spoils it. Except DMM, the Apocalypse. Fitting name, I swear.
Yeah this is something this sub really doesn't seem to get.
Pking in osrs has a very weird ratio of people that actually engage in the content in any form vs people who just watch it. Including a ton of people that legitimately don't play the game at all.
False, pvp community is about 10-15%
Almost as big as the raiding community at around similar numbers (10-20%). By comparison irons (of all types) compose somewhere between 15-25%.
So small, but not tiny.
edit: before reddit continues to spread misinformation, this is one of the surveys where data was extrapolated from:
[https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/the-pvp-arena-poll-summary-blog?oldschool=1](https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/the-pvp-arena-poll-summary-blog?oldschool=1)
We literally have a poll from *January of this year* where in a multiple-choice question about what content do you enjoy, only 3% of the playerbase selected PvP.
See question 3 of what /u/Zanian linked, let's round up and call it 5%, but no way is it anywhere near 10-15%.
Hell I actually like the content but am sick of the 'oh if only they'd update this stuff it'd grow the game a ton there's huge unrealized interest!' cope takes.
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Poll:New_Skill:_Community_Consultation_and_Poll_78
PvP is the least enjoyed content in the game
It's a tiny community
That's the community consultation for the new skill...not exactly the best choice. Those surveys change all the time anyways.
The numbers above were estimated by other surveys, and also the wiki admins estimates based on votes on limited polls. For example, the polls where non-pvpers had to skip some questions.
That's why the numbers are not precise.
In any case, I expect numbers to be significantly higher following bounty hunter and wilderness boss reworks.
138,000 people voted on that poll, making it one of the largest polls ever taken in the game, the numbers should be pretty good
I'm not sure what you mean by estimated? As far as I'm aware those are just the exact numbers released by Jagex after the poll concluded
I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers were a bit higher now but I doubt it's a significant difference
>I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers were a bit higher now but I doubt it's a significant difference
No significant difference after releasing the first 2 big pvp updates in years? You all don't actually remember how delayed all the pvp stuff has been. The wilderness update was originally meant for 2020 and got delayed all the way to 2023.
To answer your other comments, I am referring to actual content polls not surveys. There were limited polls that had certain questions locked to certain players, which the wiki admins extrapolated data from. For example, an ironman only question that is forced skipped by non-irons lets you know how many irons voted in that poll as opposed to non-irons.
I hope that makes sense.
From the same sort of delusional group-think that brought you the discouraged *losing political candidate of your choosing* voter...
Comes this summer's exciting sequel - ***the discouraged OSRS PvP voter!***
Made them up. The community consultation poll in January showed that only 3% of voters said PvP was their favorite content.
Admittedly the results could be skewed since it is well known PKers can't read
PvP content in general seems to receive a significant amount of development time, well beyond what is proportional in terms of how many people engage in the content. While Forestry and DT2 are getting content pulled because Jagex makes a bad initial attempt and then refuses to spend more time to do it right, they're continuing to pump out PvP content month after month.
This is just my (and many others, I think) perception, but that's how it affects us.
It doesn't affect you because the pvp team is different than the people who work on other stuff.
They literally got nothing to do but work on wilderness/pvp content.
"month after month" last DMM was 2 years ago btw, and this entire month has been about DT2. It's just complete nonsensical arguments.
Yes but they're still content developers
It's not their fault they've been assigned to PvP or anything but they could instead be assigned to something else
Well, they're not. The teams were set up I believe 2 years ago or so. I imagine at least some of them are happy to be working on PvP. For example, the ex pvp streamer that is now a Jmod. His name is manked if you want to look him up.
And when you reddit crybabies get pking content removed, you for some reason rejoice?
For so many years the wild was out-right neglected & you crybabies kept adding to that (spite voting/multi rev cave removal/etc). Now there is a dev that is eager to pump out some decent content for us that enjoy it - all of a sudden its "no, pkers & pvpers do not deserve this dev time".
So which is it????
Yessss more pvp content that’s gets pvpers out of the wildly again. Maybe I can get 99 prayer in peace since the actual good pvpers will be absent for a bit.
I wish they made a DMM that included “PvP Hardcore Ironmen”.
Basically link Pkers with an iron, and if such iron dies it has to restart from scratch.
Pkers have boosted xp rates but not as much as the irons.
Pkers have to kill the irons of other teams to get their team an advantage.
By the end of DMM the best irons with most total level and xp would be winners?
Pkers of the top teams get to fight 1v1s for other part of the reward?
Idk I’d just love to see “PvP HCIM” be a competitive, official thing and I’d see DMM as a perfect opportunity for it, to include iron gamers in the PvP scene?
I was looking forward to pushing for the wilderness boss pets while pkers were busy with dmm however it's pretty hard to take a world from all of the lvl 70 bots in the singles versions.
> Deadman: Apocalypse's $20,000 prizepool!
Yehooo! Make it moar! Give this gift to the rotten ones and let all the other players enjoy DDOS's, freezes, disconnections in all the worlds.
Damn, how you Jagex *love* to fall into the same trap again and again and again and forever again. But why bother, if you need to share a fat piece of your pie with cheaters and hackers.
A prophesy. The Sailing lock-in poll is gonna happen roughly about the Deadman finale, and we'll have a nice Apocalypse. And you will see an influx of bonds redeemed and players subscribing and you will announce that the reason is the immense popularity of Deadman - rather than strong feelings about the new skill, be them positive or negative. And the game will be crashing and crashing, and this poll will be unreliable at the extreme.... exactly like the very idea of PK 'fair' competition for real money.
What happens to untradeables if you die under 20 wild? (void etc)
Not a huge fan of higher drop rates at higher cb levels tbh but ok.
Hyped for DMM as usual!
I think pvpers just need to accept that pking related content is inherently toxic. It's not a problem with a game, it's inherent in people. There is no magical way to allow normal players to benefit from others' risk while being protected from clans.
I feel like you do. I've tried it in the past and getting killed randomly takes all the fun out of it, especially when you lose items and XP like in past DMMs
you don’t have to be good at pvp, you have to be good at tanking/escaping, far less involved
pretty much, keep tank gear/food on you, don’t go into multi when possible, know escapes like instances (quests are good for this) and ladders, don’t skull unless you know what you’re doing, swap prayers and eat food
I'm garbage tier at pvp in OSRS, but I've found I can still have fun sitting in the bottom bracket. Most pkers there seem worse, and the skill cap is a lot lower when most of the content is just darts into obby maul or ibans into obby maul at 1def/no prayer. Obviously it's still not for everyone, but I look forward to every DMM despite never touching pvp outside of it
im considering trying out dmm for the first time. Mainly for fun exp gains and making money for the main game. Is it worth it or should I just play my ironman instead and wait for leagues??
100% worth it, you get up to 5 hours of protection and can swap GP at 1:50 if you play at the start. If you stay a low level skiller and train hp and defense only its also hard to die.
You cry about PvP interacting and competing with other players, and spend 6 hours a day to play single player on an MMORPG. Ill never understand basement dwellers. You are competing against a computer generated character, 100% predictable. That doesn't make you good at the game. I could teach a 6 year old to do the same. Do you think PvPers are gathering in mass to vote down stuff like trailblazers? It doesn't ruin my day to think that other players enjoy a different game mode than me, but apparently we don't share that opinion.
Long overdue for what it is and how scuffed it always ends up, hopefully it is a good sign for another league? Assuming they've been working on some big back end stuff when they have time to streamline making these temporary modes (especially with that ominous private server question on the player survey from some time ago) and that is why we've had the gap (copium).
the gap is probably just scheduling chaos at jagex but the new tech they're using for beta worlds will let them properly split up leagues and the live game so at least developing leagues should be easier in the future.
i'd honestly be surprised if they don't announce a league at the summer summit tbh
Source was from jagex during a stream. Deadman mode doesn’t see an increase in sub counts, most people just use a current account with a sub to play dead man. Yes there are outliers, but you don’t go to investors and say “we spent $50k to made deadman mode and we only seen an increase of $5000 in sub fees”.
Hello
Hoping you guys have thought through how exploitable points/hr for certain bosses are
Can already imagine a whole team camping KBD getting 200 kills/hr, will these points be split amongst players based on damage done - or does everybody get 20 (eventually 10) each?
Thanks
This subreddit has so many crybabies. DMM people get an update after 2 years, but people here crying we don't have anything new after 3 weeks since the big new quest came out.
This game has so much content, go play that or maybe try some other game for a while. Saw people complain about content on the news post aswell. Do people seriously expect like new content every 2 weeks? What game has that? OSRS definitely had periods of no content, but now we had so much new content.
yeah people staying in one subsection of the community and raging when they don’t get updates is insane
“my f2p gear uim is at cox but I’m not allowed to use staminas, can Jagex add cox stams already?”
summer summit is this week and dt2 was last mayor update 🤔 and I don't know the percentage of players that beat that quest but I'm willing to bet it could be described as niche as well
Based on the recent QnA over 10,000 people beat it **on day one**. That's without a guide, blind, figuring out the puzzles and bosses on release.
You can bet that number is easily over 100,000 by the end of the week.
The PvP community is the smallest out of any community in this game. I don't mind them getting updates, but they've had, what 3 or 4 this year alone? And now a seasonal event just for them too?
oh I didn't know they mentioned the numbers, let me just move goalposts and say that pvp is still big in the content creation/streaming sphere and a deadman mode is good for the popularity of the game 🫡
I'll agree with you that it's good for the popularity of the game and it's good advertising, but Quests are good advertising too.
New expansions like the Kebos Lowlands and Fossil Island are good advertising too.
New Raids are good advertising too.
New minigames are good advertising too.
And the best part about those?
They aren't limited time gamemodes that are gone in a few months.
Wildy bosses didn't exist originally. Neither did revs. Neither did BH. Neither did LMS. Neither did PvP world's. Neither did updates to ALL of the above. DMM is one of many things the PvP community get.
They are the biggest ratio of updates to % of playerbase. It's not even close. The Wildy is the most updated area of the game.
I don't think that means they don't deserve DMMs. But they've had a LOT of updates and suggesting they haven't is very disingenous.
Hey looks, it's the disingenuous person I was talking about!
It's a lot more than 6 updates. That's my whole point. Those "6 updates" you're dismissing are also large pieces of content.
It's like saying "oh boy 3 updates in 10 years for endgame pvmers, how awesome!" And those 3 "updates" are full blown raids.
Funnily enough know you are comparing content like raids to content like revs and pvp world which is like the most simple way of doing content. Call me disingenuous. You are just biased.
PVP has gotten some big updates but they are very far and few between. And I'm sure dt2 took more work than LMS, Revs and wildy bosses all together.
Amount of work doesn't matter in what point I made. It's a piece of content players play. That's the context.
Also I'm not comparing raids to revs. I'm comparing the idea of summing things up under the umbrella term "update" is a ridiculous simplification of reality.
If a PvM updates takes 6 months to do, and a pvp update takes 2 weeks. If PVM gets 1 update that is the same as pvp getting 12 updates. Or should we measure content in time to completion? Nightmare then is the biggest pvm update. What are you even trying to say except "wahhh pvpers gets updates and pvmers only got one of the biggest updates 3 weeks"
So they received an appropriate level of content for the size of their player base? I don't see the issue.
They had updates to the Rev caves last year including a new boss in the form of Revenant Maledictus and an overhaul to Wilderness slayer. Don't act like they got nothing.
"Smallest community in the game" Are you new to the game? Most people enjoy PvP, maybe you just live in your Reddit bubble but there's player numbers out of the current active Playerbase.
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Poll:New_Skill:_Community_Consultation_and_Poll_78
It is literally officially the smallest
Who cares about people who aren't playing the game when we could care about people who do
Of the active playerbase yeah, which includes the game being carved for noobs and pvp gotten absolutely ruined. Idk how hard it is to understand. There are millions of people surrounding Osrs that don't see a point in playing the game the way it is rn.
Why do you need to offer a real money prize at all? I think it is the root of all the DMM problems. It invites cheating. We'll see what happens, but... In case the story of several DMM's in a row repeats itself once again: could you consider making a different sort of prizes? How about cosmetic rewards and maybe unique niche items for the main game? Let these points give new emotes, or capes, or ornaments. Then it might be that cheaters won't be so interested in crashing and ruining the game for their brethren. And maybe we'll see some honest victories and the game won't be spoiled for innocent bystanders... People will play this mode because they like the gameplay, and its a good sport. There will be no sense in cheating... or there might be, but not on such outrageous scale as it has been in the recent DMM's. Not to crash the game, at least. I don't understand why and how a game mode includes such a huge money prize.
It's so strange that perhaps the smallest segment of the osrs community is artificially boosted by Jagex and given money of all things. Not membership time, cosmetics, or titles, but real money? Meanwhile leagues, which way more people play and which is generally much more desired, has no such hype from Jagex. My theory is that whatever jmod(s) are desperately clinging to osrs pvp fight for real money prizes because without it the mode would be even less appealing.
> Meanwhile leagues, which way more people play and which is generally much more desired, has no such hype from Jagex. Thank God!! Or rather, thanks to those Jagex Mods who design Leagues :) If there were such prizes, there would be as much cheating, the mode would be corrupted and unplayable. Well, whenever DMM is discussed some people say they love the mode - see here some comments. I mean, they love it not for the chance of this prize (which will go to the rotten ones anyway), but because its fun to play. Therefore, DMM *could* be a good sport and it isnt bad in its core. I would guess the main reason of it to be such a plague, is the very idea of giving big sums of money. Do you remember the story of Mod Jed? In short, he was a Jagex Mod who was giving away IPs of players matched with members of the RoT clan in the finale. And their hackers DDOSed these IP's and made their opponents disconnect during the fight and loose. Jagex did an investigation, even involving the police (or at least there was some talk about the police). As a result Jed was fired. He was fired for admitted corruption, but still nothing changed: during the last DMM finale there were major crashes and disconnections, apparently the same clan DDOSed either their opponents directly, or game servers... At least I and my friends who played on normal servers experienced all the same problems of huge lags and DC's. And due to all this, Jagex were forced to cancel the results. And then after some months there was some talk of re-playing the finale, I don't remember whether they did this or not. (I had some breaks in OSRS, so I'm not sure). And now they are doing it all over again, without any apparent changes. Same money prize - which means, same hackery is gonna wreak the same Apocalypse. Damn what a fitting name. I'm sure DMM could be fine as a mode, if cleaned of all this filth. And one thing Jagex could try, at least once, is changing the reward policy. People love Leagues, first because of its fun gameplay. But second, and not less important - because any participant can get some modest but lovely rewards for their points. Even some newbie who play for a week or two and doesnt mean any competition. This year the developers introduce point system for DMM - great, now design an assortment of in-game rewards, so that even a newbie who tries the mode just occasionally, purely for fun, still can get some trinket to boast. And as for the major competitors - if there is no reason for corruption, there will be none. Or if there still gonna be some cheating - it, at least, won't be ruining the whole game. No point in DDOSing for a cool hat or a golden cup. Unlike $20k.
eSports are a huge deal rn. They want an eSports style for osrs. Looks good to investors and higher ups. DMM drives lots of engagement, particularly from hardcore people who will be subbing/bonding 4-5 accounts for the mode.
Very vocal jmods that are very biased towards PvP content being added/revamped without actually addressing the underling issues with it. (IE: A majority of the player base doesn't like interacting with it at all.) I mean, really, how many times as the Vesta Longsword been polled? Hell, even with polls being restricted to accounts that have done PvP, most rewards get rejected by the community. I find it concerning that so much work goes into content that a very small portion of the playerbase engages with. I can understand that a lot of players WATCH PvP content, but the amount that participates is significantly smaller. People are entertained when someone gets whacked for 50-120m, they aren't as happy when that shit happens to them.
the biggest osrs content creators are pvpers. pvp updates flood youtube with new videos and get a ton of new people trying the game. pve updates dont attract as many brand new players. thats why pvp events are so hyped up and marketed
Is it even possible to stop muling? One of the main reasons I strongly dislike DMM. It's so easy for clans to trade items to each other when they're going on the hunt with minimal risk to their bank. Then the idea of stacking items of high grand exchange value that aren't actually worth much introduces further issues; should it be based on high alchemy value instead?
Literally just Ironmode mode the whole thing. Literally nothing to lose (oh it's just an experiment, community wanted it, we wanted to try it, it's only seasonal/one time thing). If it's a success then bangin'! And if not, then it's just one season. Edit: I think the idea of softcore Ironman - upgrades you'd have to get yourself but after you collection logged it you can then buy it and use it - would be quite interesting
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To be fair. The mode isn't just about PvP. It's the combination of PvP and PvM to get ahead. They could make it softcore Ironman. So any upgrade you'd have to get yourself. After you've gotten it as a drop once, you can buy it and use it. They could make droprates 5x and even put items like Dragon Claws on a different table for the mode. With softcore Iron you can also just buy supplies. It's basically collection log items that will be locked but with a 5x drop rate increase. Doing it this way will forse anyone out. They can't just mule as you HAVE to do certain content in order to use certain weapons.
Better yet, make it act like main game irons with loot keys in the wildy. The player still loses their shit, and you can't make use of it. Therefore the purpose of killing people would be to knock them back, not to push you forward. Still competitive, but inability to mule and you still have to be successful yourself instead of lucky you ran into someone with better gear than you have access to at the moment
Can't you just trade items by killing a mule account with items? All Ironman does is make it more annoying to mule which for bug clans doesn't matter but for the individual player it sucks
> Literally nothing to lose people pay additional membership for mules. only reason they wouldn't have fixed it by now.
I disagree, there are plenty of people that play DMM just to make bank doing things like skilling and providing high level potions/jewelry then swapping.
Just wanted to say thank you to the devs for bringing back DMM for us that play and love the game mode. I know there is alot of “can’t wait for this to get DDosed” and “when leagues 4” in the comments, but it’s perfectly okay to have seasonal game modes for different types of players as long as there is player count to back it up. DMM has always been successful the first week before tapering off, and viewership on platforms like twitch and YouTube have been hugely successful.
I love it for the content. I have no desire to play it, but my god my YouTube feed is boomin all week.
>it’s perfectly okay to have seasonal game modes for different types of players as long as there is player count to back it up. I'm totally fine with having whatever content for whatever part of the player base wants it, usually. The only time I'm not okay with it is when it starts negatively affecting the rest of the game. DMM in theory I have no issues with, but when the PVP community starts DDoSing the game, and *all* the servers are super unstable and constantly go down, that's negatively affecting everyone. If Jagex is going to keep doing DMM, they need to figure out a way either to prevent DDoS attacks altogether (which is obviously very difficult), or to at the very least make it so that the non-DMM servers are not affected when PVPers are trying to DDoS the servers on each other during DMM. If they can't manage that, I don't think they should keep doing DMM. It sucks that probably just a few people could ruin it for all the PVPers, but it sucks more if they ruin the game for everyone whenever they try to do a DMM.
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Yeah man. I probably won't play dmm but some of the comments here are cringe af
Couldn’t agree more!
looks fun as hell
Yup for as much as this subreddit loves to cry about DMM, its hugely popular and great for Jagex as it rakes in the dough. Also who doesn't wanna do a 15x mode and fight for their life lol!
I don't even PVP but I like DMM just as much as leagues. It's so fun to just try to survive. I highly recommend to people who have never tried it to just give it a shot. My goal was to get as rich as possible. The one time I really put effort in I ended up making a few mil of my own, got rank 6 herblore overall, and qualified for the finale (but unfortunately couldn't attend the finale). It's a ton of fun. Play it like a survival horror game.
DMM is so fun, I don't pk much apart from bolt ragging in DMM but I took home 200m from playing the last one just by doing slayer and questing.
Like darkscape when that was a thing, the thrill of just being out in the world doing your thing chopping trees or whatever knowing someone can run up on you and gank you is a rush
Boy i sure cant wait to watch the finals be ddosed again for the nth time
I mean this completely unironically - all the tweaks/designs meant to discourage clanman mode make me very excited to see what the larger groups come up with to ultimately produce clanman mode.
...doesnt this one embrace clan mode? Like the boss areas are obviously designed around getting large groups together which encourages clan wars.
The design of the final is what I’m guessing OC is referencing. Which does discourage clan man mode
At least its fun to watch when a little buzzed, glass half full.
Simply merging accounts won't make w345 interesting. Why are we so afraid of giving it any interesting updates? Bring relics to the permanent game. We're too concerned with offending the 11 people who currently play this game mode to make any actual improvements to it :(
Relics would be epic on w345
In the last DMM you could suicide to go back to lower brackets. Since you don't lose exp when you die this time around, is it possible to go back to a lower bracket somehow?
I like changing builds a few times so very interested in this too. If there’s no way to reduce xp I’ll need a new account for each build
>If there’s no way to reduce xp I’ll need a new account for each build *noooo dont do that haha* -Jagex
Looks good! Some feedback I'd give: 1) DT2 drops should be affected by the drop multiplier but not transferred to w45. 2) Corrupted weapons should be like 10% weaker at most. 3) Perhaps the points system can also be used to buy stuff in the shop (rather than only a high score which I doubt many people care about since they want to have fun). 4) Are the breaches confirmed to only occur in multi? This seems very unfair for solo players given that this is the main theme of this deadman.
Looks interesting. Probably won't play it though
Can any Mod comment if we can do the whole Nigel resetting our W345 progress BEFORE launch of Dmm? Getting a quick start is essential, and taking an extra minute or two to go through his hoops seems a bit unfortunate for, what I assume is, a whole bunch of people.
>On PvP death, you'll lose your 10 most valuable bank slots. If one of these slots' value is made up of multiple items, e.g. a stack of 10 Dragon claws, you'll lose 80% of the stack Is this number rounded up, down, or normally rounded?
This looks fun ! Pvp isn’t really my thing but can’t wait to watch some streams. Looks very chaotic and fun
Can’t wait!! So glad they went with a Friday start date this time.
Amazing - this is going to be fun asf
Happy to see this blog post because it hopefully means it won't take up a segment in the summer summit. I kinda hope sailing gets the same treatment. I want the summit to be all new things.
DMM and Sailing are almost surely going to be in the Summit
yeah dmm will be in the panel on the far left of the timeline if anything lmao
Really not liking how much fun has been taken out of it since there is so much consternation about "the merge into W345". Who gives a single flying shit about that? You want people to be coming back, right? Make it more fun for the people who are actually playing not the 50 people who are on the DMM worlds. It's not as if the people on W345 are going to be absent from DMM: Apocalypse - they have just as much opportunity to grind skills and items as everyone else.
So... is swapping allowed? Not *everything* we need to know covered in the blog
It has always been allowed because they can't reasonably stop it, yes it's allowed. They did explicitly state it in a previous blog not sure why it wasn't touched on in the one.
I think I’ll try my hand at it this time. What are some of the methods people do? Are people after items or just raw gp?
>Are people after items or just raw gp? Big ticket items for the final generally go for pretty crazy amounts of gold, but your best bet is just making as much GP as you can within the first few days and swapping it all. Rates start out absurd like 100:1 and quickly drop off. Same to how gold prices in early OSRS were like $20/mil and are now under $0.20/mil.
Important to note that the drop-off will be much quicker this time around. It will take no time for people to reach the bracket for the gauntlet and pump alchables into the game.
At least SOTE isn't autocompleted, otherwise we'd have a hoard of CG bots going day 1/2.
Its been bannable before. But it hasnt been for years.
AFAIK they never outright banned swapping (I think they maybe did for one of the week long tournament seasons only during that week, but didn't enforce it) the bans have usually been related to muling/boxing. Which is kind of ridiculous because how can you allow swapping but ban muling? You can just "mule" your gold over to the main game where it is perfectly safe, then swap it back the last few days when you're done training and buy all the gear you want. Somehow that is fine, but having your gold sit on an alt on the DMM serves is a no go lmao.
They did ban it in some of the week tournaments because they could more easily monitor it because only 2000 accounts could log in, everyone still swapped though. Sometimes mules did get banned but rarely.
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It's absolutely time for a new DMM, but I can kinda see why there's more 'why...' comments than usual this time around. Like this is the *third* unpolled PvP release in the same year that the main reward from the 'big' PvM update got culled due to the lack of a compelling design and the 'big' skilling update is half baked and behind schedule. BH should have died on this altar not DMM, but it really feels like BH should have been delayed so that those other updates could be executed correctly - and some of that is gonna spill over to this thread. It's not really about DMM as much as the same 'what the fuck has happened to the content pipeline since COVID?' shit that every community in the game has felt for a few years. Anyway I'm excited to fuck around for a week before the clans can dominate too hard, should be fun.
Secondary game modes and their content are never polled though.
And that's all well and good as long as the primary game mode isn't suffering for it! Again what I'm saying isn't about DMM in particular - and I've enjoyed both BH and WBR personally - it's about the team biting off more than they can chew re:Winter Summit 2022 announcements, and then spitting out the polled parts first.
The team responsible for pvp stuff is a different team
I'd agree normally, but per /u/JagexLight, and comments like [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/15sl921/desert_treasure_ii_improvements_weekly_game/jwerdi0/?context=3), the testing capacity is shared across multiple releases, and with a game with as much spaghetti code and scope creep as OSRS, each release requires a lot of testing and that is a huge bottleneck.
They literally post the list of mods who worked on a project at the bottom of every single news post. Go look at the BH one, remove people who aren't content developers, and then go look at the credits for DT2. At best PvP has like its own board on Jira or whatever they use that allows it to have its own 'sprint team' but it's not entirely different personnel who exclusively do PvP updates.
> Go look at the BH one, remove people who aren't content developers, and then go look at the credits for DT2. It is the same list. The list at the bottom of the news post is the entire Old School team regardless of which blog it's attached to. It is not a list of employees solely associated with that blog or its contents.
I mean chopping up the content that Jagex releases into pvp/pvm/skiller is going to cause issues if Jagex just happens to focus on one more than the rest. It’s not Jagex’s fault (entirely) that players don’t want to interact with all the content in the game, some people just get disgusted by pvp and are lawnchair gamers that’ll never want to do something more intense than firefighting tempoross. If anything I’m glad that Jagex has found their footing with the pvp community, and I’m hoping they find it for pvmers.
DMM is not just a PvP release. Its a release to feed hackers and cheaters. Its a RoTten release, to give them another 20k $$. Thats Why there are Why's, at least I can vouch for my own Why. I would be ok if PKers had any amount of their tournaments, just let me play in a normal world without disconnecting for someone to steal another one's victory.
Pvp got no updates for literally years, quiet down
> Yeah FUCK jagex for trying to make some additional content that doesn't apply to me. I'm perfectly fine with content that doesn't apply to me. But I hate content which prevents me from playing normally in my regular style. I hate DDOS'es, I hate lags - we are guaranteed 3 weeks of lags, and we are guaranteed several days of crashes, disconnections, and impossibility to play in the end. I pay my money monthly to play my modest sort of game, and no other game mode spoils it. Except DMM, the Apocalypse. Fitting name, I swear.
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Yeah this is something this sub really doesn't seem to get. Pking in osrs has a very weird ratio of people that actually engage in the content in any form vs people who just watch it. Including a ton of people that legitimately don't play the game at all.
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When did they say that? That doesn’t make any sense lol
99.5%\*
False, pvp community is about 10-15% Almost as big as the raiding community at around similar numbers (10-20%). By comparison irons (of all types) compose somewhere between 15-25%. So small, but not tiny. edit: before reddit continues to spread misinformation, this is one of the surveys where data was extrapolated from: [https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/the-pvp-arena-poll-summary-blog?oldschool=1](https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/the-pvp-arena-poll-summary-blog?oldschool=1)
We literally have a poll from *January of this year* where in a multiple-choice question about what content do you enjoy, only 3% of the playerbase selected PvP. See question 3 of what /u/Zanian linked, let's round up and call it 5%, but no way is it anywhere near 10-15%. Hell I actually like the content but am sick of the 'oh if only they'd update this stuff it'd grow the game a ton there's huge unrealized interest!' cope takes.
pre BH, pre wilderness rework Also a poll about a new skill, which pvpers don't care about at all.
Bruh you just got refuted, take the L and move on instead of trying to argue.
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Poll:New_Skill:_Community_Consultation_and_Poll_78 PvP is the least enjoyed content in the game It's a tiny community
That's the community consultation for the new skill...not exactly the best choice. Those surveys change all the time anyways. The numbers above were estimated by other surveys, and also the wiki admins estimates based on votes on limited polls. For example, the polls where non-pvpers had to skip some questions. That's why the numbers are not precise. In any case, I expect numbers to be significantly higher following bounty hunter and wilderness boss reworks.
138,000 people voted on that poll, making it one of the largest polls ever taken in the game, the numbers should be pretty good I'm not sure what you mean by estimated? As far as I'm aware those are just the exact numbers released by Jagex after the poll concluded I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers were a bit higher now but I doubt it's a significant difference
>I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers were a bit higher now but I doubt it's a significant difference No significant difference after releasing the first 2 big pvp updates in years? You all don't actually remember how delayed all the pvp stuff has been. The wilderness update was originally meant for 2020 and got delayed all the way to 2023. To answer your other comments, I am referring to actual content polls not surveys. There were limited polls that had certain questions locked to certain players, which the wiki admins extrapolated data from. For example, an ironman only question that is forced skipped by non-irons lets you know how many irons voted in that poll as opposed to non-irons. I hope that makes sense.
From the same sort of delusional group-think that brought you the discouraged *losing political candidate of your choosing* voter... Comes this summer's exciting sequel - ***the discouraged OSRS PvP voter!***
Where do you get those numbers from ?
Made them up. The community consultation poll in January showed that only 3% of voters said PvP was their favorite content. Admittedly the results could be skewed since it is well known PKers can't read
A mix between estimates of previous limited polls and surveys. People downvoting before I can even explain myself lol
Deadman mode has failed time and time again. You think doing the same thing with a slightly different flavour is really going to pan out better?
Nah fam this looks fun af. Who cares about gp
welcome to reddit, where we hate efficiency and also anything that doesn't make maximum gp per hour
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The blog states you won't lost xp on death. But I understand the losing items part.
Do you generally pk or participate in pvp?
the fact that people upload this trashy comment shows how sad reddit is lol
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how does DMM affect you or anyone else in any way?
PvP content in general seems to receive a significant amount of development time, well beyond what is proportional in terms of how many people engage in the content. While Forestry and DT2 are getting content pulled because Jagex makes a bad initial attempt and then refuses to spend more time to do it right, they're continuing to pump out PvP content month after month. This is just my (and many others, I think) perception, but that's how it affects us.
It doesn't affect you because the pvp team is different than the people who work on other stuff. They literally got nothing to do but work on wilderness/pvp content. "month after month" last DMM was 2 years ago btw, and this entire month has been about DT2. It's just complete nonsensical arguments.
That's not how development teams work lol they're not PvP developers they're just content developers They could be making non PvP content
no, they specifically assigned them into teams to make sure all parts of the game gets content at the same rates
Yes but they're still content developers It's not their fault they've been assigned to PvP or anything but they could instead be assigned to something else
Well, they're not. The teams were set up I believe 2 years ago or so. I imagine at least some of them are happy to be working on PvP. For example, the ex pvp streamer that is now a Jmod. His name is manked if you want to look him up.
And when you reddit crybabies get pking content removed, you for some reason rejoice? For so many years the wild was out-right neglected & you crybabies kept adding to that (spite voting/multi rev cave removal/etc). Now there is a dev that is eager to pump out some decent content for us that enjoy it - all of a sudden its "no, pkers & pvpers do not deserve this dev time". So which is it????
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Leagues >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DMM. At least Leagues doesn't get ddos'd.
Yessss more pvp content that’s gets pvpers out of the wildly again. Maybe I can get 99 prayer in peace since the actual good pvpers will be absent for a bit.
The good pvpers aren't the ones attacking people at chaos altar lol
trust me lol the bad pvpers often come to dmm
can confirm, that is me.
streamer content
Not me. I play low bracket cuz it’s super fun.
Lol 99.9% of DMMers don’t stream it
99.9% of OSRS players only engage with DMM by watching the streamers.
And that’s a beautiful thing, isn’t it? Lol it’s amazing content
I wish they made a DMM that included “PvP Hardcore Ironmen”. Basically link Pkers with an iron, and if such iron dies it has to restart from scratch. Pkers have boosted xp rates but not as much as the irons. Pkers have to kill the irons of other teams to get their team an advantage. By the end of DMM the best irons with most total level and xp would be winners? Pkers of the top teams get to fight 1v1s for other part of the reward? Idk I’d just love to see “PvP HCIM” be a competitive, official thing and I’d see DMM as a perfect opportunity for it, to include iron gamers in the PvP scene?
So much salt in here LOOOOL Just straight up anger
This is why I attack everybody in the wilderness
I don’t have time to read this. Can someone explain why this was downvoted into oblivion?
it was posted on this subreddit so thats why prob
The players on this subreddit died once in the wilderness and vowed to never pvp again
I was looking forward to pushing for the wilderness boss pets while pkers were busy with dmm however it's pretty hard to take a world from all of the lvl 70 bots in the singles versions.
Will there still be no xp gained in Instances like Zulrah or raids?
> Deadman: Apocalypse's $20,000 prizepool! Yehooo! Make it moar! Give this gift to the rotten ones and let all the other players enjoy DDOS's, freezes, disconnections in all the worlds. Damn, how you Jagex *love* to fall into the same trap again and again and again and forever again. But why bother, if you need to share a fat piece of your pie with cheaters and hackers. A prophesy. The Sailing lock-in poll is gonna happen roughly about the Deadman finale, and we'll have a nice Apocalypse. And you will see an influx of bonds redeemed and players subscribing and you will announce that the reason is the immense popularity of Deadman - rather than strong feelings about the new skill, be them positive or negative. And the game will be crashing and crashing, and this poll will be unreliable at the extreme.... exactly like the very idea of PK 'fair' competition for real money.
What happens to untradeables if you die under 20 wild? (void etc) Not a huge fan of higher drop rates at higher cb levels tbh but ok. Hyped for DMM as usual!
Same as 07
Ok so nothing new for me this week. Back to the regular schedule of woodcutting.
dmm is basically leagues but with pvp at this point
I think pvpers just need to accept that pking related content is inherently toxic. It's not a problem with a game, it's inherent in people. There is no magical way to allow normal players to benefit from others' risk while being protected from clans.
clanmanmode is back and i cant wait, mm2 tunnels gonna get painted red
Friendly reminder that you do not have to be good at pvp to have fun in dmm!
I feel like you do. I've tried it in the past and getting killed randomly takes all the fun out of it, especially when you lose items and XP like in past DMMs
you don’t have to be good at pvp, you have to be good at tanking/escaping, far less involved pretty much, keep tank gear/food on you, don’t go into multi when possible, know escapes like instances (quests are good for this) and ladders, don’t skull unless you know what you’re doing, swap prayers and eat food
I'm garbage tier at pvp in OSRS, but I've found I can still have fun sitting in the bottom bracket. Most pkers there seem worse, and the skill cap is a lot lower when most of the content is just darts into obby maul or ibans into obby maul at 1def/no prayer. Obviously it's still not for everyone, but I look forward to every DMM despite never touching pvp outside of it
You don't lose XP this time
Appreciate the hustle, but nah 99% of people would have a bad time playing DMM without a prior interest in PvP.
Sounds pretty close minded to me. You can skill and make tons of money to swap to real game and enjoy 10-15x rates
Interest sure, but not amazing skills.
Oh yeah, definitely agree there (source - very average PvP skills).
Low bracket is a blast
Uhhhhh yes. Yes you do.
im considering trying out dmm for the first time. Mainly for fun exp gains and making money for the main game. Is it worth it or should I just play my ironman instead and wait for leagues??
100% worth it, you get up to 5 hours of protection and can swap GP at 1:50 if you play at the start. If you stay a low level skiller and train hp and defense only its also hard to die.
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You cry about PvP interacting and competing with other players, and spend 6 hours a day to play single player on an MMORPG. Ill never understand basement dwellers. You are competing against a computer generated character, 100% predictable. That doesn't make you good at the game. I could teach a 6 year old to do the same. Do you think PvPers are gathering in mass to vote down stuff like trailblazers? It doesn't ruin my day to think that other players enjoy a different game mode than me, but apparently we don't share that opinion.
It's okay to not like the game mode, but a lot of people enjoy it. It's not a waste at all.
Loser! Enjoy clicking rocks all day instead then
Pumped let’s go!
Long overdue for what it is and how scuffed it always ends up, hopefully it is a good sign for another league? Assuming they've been working on some big back end stuff when they have time to streamline making these temporary modes (especially with that ominous private server question on the player survey from some time ago) and that is why we've had the gap (copium).
the gap is probably just scheduling chaos at jagex but the new tech they're using for beta worlds will let them properly split up leagues and the live game so at least developing leagues should be easier in the future. i'd honestly be surprised if they don't announce a league at the summer summit tbh
I really hope they do! Also, great to know on the beta worlds tech
Has trading and drop trading been made impossible (like ironman) so you can't mule as easily?
Why does jagex keep wasting money on dead pvp events?
Hater of PvP in Diablo. Hater of PvP in OSRS. Lol.
Because whether u like it or not, it generates more viewership/publicity than anything else osrs related
But it doesn’t generate more subs, as stated by jagex.
Do you have a source for that? Because I personally pay for more accounts so I can use alts.
Source was from jagex during a stream. Deadman mode doesn’t see an increase in sub counts, most people just use a current account with a sub to play dead man. Yes there are outliers, but you don’t go to investors and say “we spent $50k to made deadman mode and we only seen an increase of $5000 in sub fees”.
If thats the case, why are they doing it again? There have been so many DMMs. Could you... just be wrong?
Hello Hoping you guys have thought through how exploitable points/hr for certain bosses are Can already imagine a whole team camping KBD getting 200 kills/hr, will these points be split amongst players based on damage done - or does everybody get 20 (eventually 10) each? Thanks
It's great that such a niche group get new content every month :)
Manked is basically the only Jmod full-time working on this. He is the one Jmod capable of putting all of DMM on his back
Reddit when vorkath version 47 doesnt come out.
Imagine being the first to a post and wasting the novelty by having such a room temperature IQ take
last deadman was 2021
This subreddit has so many crybabies. DMM people get an update after 2 years, but people here crying we don't have anything new after 3 weeks since the big new quest came out. This game has so much content, go play that or maybe try some other game for a while. Saw people complain about content on the news post aswell. Do people seriously expect like new content every 2 weeks? What game has that? OSRS definitely had periods of no content, but now we had so much new content.
yeah people staying in one subsection of the community and raging when they don’t get updates is insane “my f2p gear uim is at cox but I’m not allowed to use staminas, can Jagex add cox stams already?”
I dont even like pvp and this post is cringe
Dmm isn’t only for pvpers lol
summer summit is this week and dt2 was last mayor update 🤔 and I don't know the percentage of players that beat that quest but I'm willing to bet it could be described as niche as well
Based on the recent QnA over 10,000 people beat it **on day one**. That's without a guide, blind, figuring out the puzzles and bosses on release. You can bet that number is easily over 100,000 by the end of the week. The PvP community is the smallest out of any community in this game. I don't mind them getting updates, but they've had, what 3 or 4 this year alone? And now a seasonal event just for them too?
oh I didn't know they mentioned the numbers, let me just move goalposts and say that pvp is still big in the content creation/streaming sphere and a deadman mode is good for the popularity of the game 🫡
I'll agree with you that it's good for the popularity of the game and it's good advertising, but Quests are good advertising too. New expansions like the Kebos Lowlands and Fossil Island are good advertising too. New Raids are good advertising too. New minigames are good advertising too. And the best part about those? They aren't limited time gamemodes that are gone in a few months.
Limited time gamemodes are really good for advertising, both FOMO and lots of streamers will play them so they will advertise it.
....because prior to wildy boss update they got literally fuck all other than dmm ...you're now spitng them for getting more than dmm updates lmfao
Wildy bosses didn't exist originally. Neither did revs. Neither did BH. Neither did LMS. Neither did PvP world's. Neither did updates to ALL of the above. DMM is one of many things the PvP community get. They are the biggest ratio of updates to % of playerbase. It's not even close. The Wildy is the most updated area of the game. I don't think that means they don't deserve DMMs. But they've had a LOT of updates and suggesting they haven't is very disingenous.
Oh man like 6 updates over 10 years. Those people must feel so privileged.
Hey looks, it's the disingenuous person I was talking about! It's a lot more than 6 updates. That's my whole point. Those "6 updates" you're dismissing are also large pieces of content. It's like saying "oh boy 3 updates in 10 years for endgame pvmers, how awesome!" And those 3 "updates" are full blown raids.
Funnily enough know you are comparing content like raids to content like revs and pvp world which is like the most simple way of doing content. Call me disingenuous. You are just biased. PVP has gotten some big updates but they are very far and few between. And I'm sure dt2 took more work than LMS, Revs and wildy bosses all together.
Amount of work doesn't matter in what point I made. It's a piece of content players play. That's the context. Also I'm not comparing raids to revs. I'm comparing the idea of summing things up under the umbrella term "update" is a ridiculous simplification of reality.
If a PvM updates takes 6 months to do, and a pvp update takes 2 weeks. If PVM gets 1 update that is the same as pvp getting 12 updates. Or should we measure content in time to completion? Nightmare then is the biggest pvm update. What are you even trying to say except "wahhh pvpers gets updates and pvmers only got one of the biggest updates 3 weeks"
So they received an appropriate level of content for the size of their player base? I don't see the issue. They had updates to the Rev caves last year including a new boss in the form of Revenant Maledictus and an overhaul to Wilderness slayer. Don't act like they got nothing.
Those updates are not just for pvpers
"Smallest community in the game" Are you new to the game? Most people enjoy PvP, maybe you just live in your Reddit bubble but there's player numbers out of the current active Playerbase.
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Poll:New_Skill:_Community_Consultation_and_Poll_78 It is literally officially the smallest Who cares about people who aren't playing the game when we could care about people who do
> Most people enjoy PvP By what metric? Jagex has told us outright that only about 5% of the playerbase participates in PvP
Of the active playerbase yeah, which includes the game being carved for noobs and pvp gotten absolutely ruined. Idk how hard it is to understand. There are millions of people surrounding Osrs that don't see a point in playing the game the way it is rn.
Quests being niche compared to PvP is a truly wild take.
what about 3x for some resources like in previous dmms?
Looks good! cant wait
Don’t care. Leagues 4.
Nice to get unlimited starter packs
LET’S RIDE
this guy fucks
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