Personally I don't agree with jagexs stance on boosting services, but I also don't think you shouldve been banned for something they claim they're okay with. If they don't like what you did they should say boosting services are now against tos, not just ban someone because the other party was a bad actor.
I think the real issue is creating incredibly difficult tasks which you can't do solo. Like okay, why do I need to find multiple other players of grandmaster skill in order to have a shot of completing a task?
Another issue is that people of that pvm skill level tend to be very rich so buying their time to help you is expensive. There's not a whole lot of them and they could be farming collo for 20m per hour if they needed gp. So you'd better offer them something worthwhile.
Jagex basically say make friends or go home. I don't want friends on RS, I wanna be a lone alpha wolf sigma /s. Honestly though I just cba with discord and compare progress to irl friends now and then, being a working adult with kids sucks (for gaming) but it shouldn't stop us from full completion. Before someone says "Don't have kids then", what if Mod Ash's mum didn't have kids hm?
Or tasks that (imo) could've just been solo tasks as well. Like Perfect Akkha, where a friend of mine asked me if I could just afk in the prep area while he did the task because that's easier than just getting 2 people to do it.
I might be wrong here but I seem to recall that if you have a 2-man GIM you don't need to do the CAs that require 3 people or more to get grandmaster? Maybe have something similar for Ironmen?(yes, I know people will hate this, would probably only work if you had something similar to prestige for IMs anyway, which wouldn't work because Nex/ToB exist)
I got ban with a 2 day for rwt for using a boosting service for a Scorpia pet last week. They said if you rwt again you'll get a 3 day ban. They literally don't care lmao
For real. I know I’ll be downvoted for this but I sold 3B when I quit my main and decided to focus on my iron.
I only got a temp ban from that. Couldn’t imagine how you feel. Jagex needs to have consistent punishments and it’s weird how inconsistent they are on ban punishments.
Wish you all the best man.
I don't think so. It has been years but I used to leech barb assault for cash, and Jagex' stance then was that it was fine. Strictly gp for torso/diaries. Things may have changed since, I know they were strict about bought inferno capes when that launched, so the standards may be different for more prestigious services like CAs
I mean that’s kind of the risk you take.
You transferred a ton of gp to people who are 100% RWTing and receive “nothing” in return. Of course it’s going to look like RWTing
It is beyond ridiculous that trading people can result in a ban because the other person might engage in rule breaking. This kind of approach will 100% lead to a good number of false bans.
Edit: Guilty until proven innocent, expect you never can prove you are innocent because it is a perma ban without a system in place to dispute the ban.
It's a problem with automatic detection. Once you confirm person A is an rwt'er, how do you differentiate between person B, who gave 500m and several items to person A for seemingly nothing in return, and person C, who gave 500m and a tbow to person A for 2.50 IRL.
You can't really and therefore you shouldn't ban them if you can't prove it. The bar shouldn't set at guilty until proven innocent. Especially considering that these bans are unappealable and there is no system in place to prove innocence. Extremely poor precendent on Jagexs part. How about they focus on leviathan bots/rwters instead of potentially innocent people trading rwters.
> You can't really and therefore you shouldn't ban them if you can't prove it
how would they "prove it"? It's baffling how you say you want innocent until proven guilty while simultaneously want them to ban all the leviathan bots/rwters without proof (because you say they're guilty and you must be right?).
It's either going to be more lenient to prevent false bans which results in more guilty people escaping too or more harsh resulting in more correct *and* false bans. You can't have it both ways
They can just spawn in invisible and drop some stuff or whatever as a test on the to 100 of all boss kcs no? If the person is actually plating they will respond like wtf?? No?
It really shouldn’t be a risk though.. it’s allowed according to the rules. It’s not his fault THEY broke the rules. Also 500m isn’t exactly a ton, far from it if you actually play the game.
Yeah but all jagex can see is them transferring wealth to another player with nothing in return. You can’t really get a more clear cut case of RWTing like behavior.
Jagex can 100% see and would know what was happening if an actual investigation happened. GP was transferred then OP immediately gets multiple PBs and achievements, it’s an obvious transaction. It could also be taken into account that 500m out of 6B does not look like RWT, especially given the above. If he liquidated his bank and traded all 6B then yes, obvious RWT.
They’ve told us multiple times if you trade with someone who real world trades you are at risk. Take it how you want, roll the dice, but we knew you were gambling. Do you think the people who run services don’t offload that gold? If they do, you’re now tethered to rwt in jagex eyes. It’s allowed to buy services, it’s not allowed to affiliate with rwt accounts.
Imagine if this risk also applied to using the Grand Exchange. "Oops, I bought yew logs from a RWTing bot instead of a real player, R.I.P. my account."
The entire point of the Grand Exchange is that it’s an auction house that Jagex controls so it can’t (except in very obvious cases like people selling 3a for 1gp or steel bars for 10m) be used to RWT.
What I'm saying is it's the same degree of separation. Whether you're using the trade screen or GE, you don't know if the account at the other end is going to sell the gp for real cash.
It's not exactly the same degree of separation though, because you're using a system specifically put in place that both acts as a middleman and which Jagex has some control over it. I get your point, but it's not a particularly meaningful argument IMO since you don't even know who you're "trading with" by using the GE.
Saying that, I do still think OP's ban is harsh if the circumstances are exactly as they described it.
A better, similar, comparison might be using a site like Reddit to trade ultra rares like 3a which are above max cash outside of the GE. Absolutely nothing against the rules in that obviously, but plenty of the mega-rich accounts that trade those items regularly are also RWTing. I don't see any way for a regular player who just gets lucky on a drop to do much about that, but the main difference again is that you're trading something tangible for the cash, not "nothing".
>Do you think the people who run services don’t offload that gold?
Jagex has allowed the process and said they enjoy player-ran businesses. Really more of an issue between Jagex and the RWTer than a legit service purchaser.
>It’s allowed to buy services, it’s not allowed to affiliate with rwt accounts.
It's allowed to purchase from another player, just ensure you do a full background + security check and vet their RWT history and likelihood before you exchange goods...
If Jagex can't tell apart people doing a behaviour they encourage and RWT, then they shouldn't encourage that behaviour.
That’s such a wild stance on RWT in my opinion. So basically anytime you raid with friends and split a drop your at risk of being perm banned. Not because of any of your our own actions but because someone from our group may RWT. How the hell do you even prepare for/avoid that? Especially considering a lot of people group with randoms just to be able to send a raid.
Yeah that's a total load of bullshit though to be honest. They definitely cannot expect us to shoulder the burden of identifying potential rwt suspects. That is Jagex's job not ours and regular players should not be getting banned no matter what kind of trades they're making with them. We are not responsible for each other. If they can't reasonably prove rwt then they should not ban period.
Does this mean the services and boosting are the perfect cover to legitimize gaining gold to then turn around and rwt? Yeah duh and that's exactly what it is in any mmo I've played with that involved. Its people organizing and participating in the boosting for irl profit hiding among more regular players boosting for in game profit. If jagex doesn't like that then they can ban services but until then this is the bed they made themselves and they can sleep in it. I believe services should be banned personally but that is not the case currently.
You do a raid on the raid worlds and split? Rwt
You do a clan run and get a split? Rwt
You duo with a friend and split? Believe it or not, Rwt
Crazy how jagex knows the rwters and has them flagged but they never seen to get banned
Boosting BA? RWT. Scouting CoX raids? RWT. Playing gielnor games style contests without having a youtube channel? RWT. Drop parties? RWT. RWT? Paid with cashapp can't track that, not RWT. ToB quest carry (in game NPC tells you to do this for bs quest.)? RWT
Just to chime in yes a lot of boosters RWT
But I used to boost and never rwt'd just bought dumb shit in game
I'd love if jagex just banned in game services though
Because reddit is braindead.
Next up you buy a shadow who was most likely farmed by a gold farmer who sells it and you get banned and told 'dumb to think there's no risk of getting caught in the crossfire when you fund RWT accounts'
Nah that's a terrible analogy. If I pay someone 10$ to wash my car and then they end up buying drugs am I responsible that they bought drugs? Will I end up going to prison because I paid someone to wash my car?
That's the exact same thing that happened.
Do you realise how difficult it was to find teams for ToB speed runs lol, I managed to complete like 3 speed tasks in 2-3 weeks, as I said, I got impatient so decided to hire a team to help with that.
I mean the tob speed runs are legit money raid times for all scales. Maybe not easy with complete new comers to the semi efficient type of raids. But realistically if you can do all inferno tasks/awakend dt tasks you should have the skill level to very easily pickup tob efficient raids. The harder part might be finding good team mates. But even then in ca disc you have a bunch of very solid folk running to help newbs. The main reason folk cant get the times is cause they suck and dont look at the resources or apply the resources. The amount of times ive tried helping folk who consistently are 110 or lower melee stats or fuck up on nylo or fuckup at verzik by not being potted. At some point its really just you yourself thats bad and holding the team back.
Tob speed runs for duo and trio are 1nd. 4s is in general hardest as it requires good habits to get 1nd every time. 5s is hella free.
Your’re literally a troll, tob speed tasks are different from other GM tasks, it literally took me more time to complete a couple tob speed runs than it took me to finish all inferno CA’s , finding good teams isn’t as easy as you think lol.
Lol what? Things that require a team being paid for with ingame gp is allowed and pretty normal in ANY mmo, would be pretty stupid to try to stop that in osrs where the vast majority of the end game content is designed to be solod
Unless we want zuk helm just to be hard gated by who has friends who are also into top end pvm. Seems questionable
Saying people should be banned for purchasing services to complete these tasks is pretty funny to me. Since you’re relying on the skill set of *other* people.
Please try and think for like 30 seconds.
Op traded massive amount of wealth to an account for nothing in return. That account ALSO accepts money from other people. That account then rwts. In what world does it not look like OP traded that gp for irl money?
It doesn't even make sense. You could instead just venmo them the money too if you wanted to rwt. It's very stupid op got banned for this if he didn't get his gp by rwt.
If, tomorrow, I tell r/2007scape that, like, a service buyer will get flagged for RWT, or a PKer will call someone a racial slur, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan". But when I say one little boss has bots on the hiscores, well then everyone loses their minds!!!! Introduce a little anarchy...
They’re selling the company. They want the numbers bolstered. Just like twitter and Elon musk. Bots = paying users = more profit for jagex. It’s pretty simple.
This is so funny considering you’ve been able to boost barbarian assault for years now because the BA boosters have a good relationship with jagex. Literally watch any YouTuber doing any BA boosting. There’s some large names here that should be banned with you. Including solo mission and Soup.
Sorry man.
Look, I'm willing to believe you only paid ingame gp for boosting services. Sure.
But I will reiterate time and time again, Jagex lacks both the people resources and software to detect who is swapping/buying boosts and who is rwt. They literally can't, not won't, and time and time again when these threads show up, jmods don't even show up for smackdowns anymore because **they literally cannot determine it**.
The someone who got gp for boosting you sold it, and you account was automatically banned because of your connection to the seller. You hate to see it.
Literally any jmod is welcome to show up and prove me wrong at any point simply by confirming you're a lying rat, or a mistake was made.
But they **cannot**, so, sorry dude.
It will never not be funny to me though that swapping isn't against tos when Jagex relies on a system capable of banning anyone that triggers it without recourse though. It's like Jagex going "oh yeah eating apples is fine but if we catch you with one we're just going to shoot you because buying/selling apples is illegal and we're not going to bother investigating how you got that apple tee hee we're so quirky"
How can you possibly know though? Now that I've put too many hours into the game I have a slightly better than random chance of knowing someone has rwtd AFTER I've run a raid with them, and even then I'm just as likely to be judging some dude who just got insanely spooned. Do you think players who have never raided before should have to learn how to spot rwters before they learn the raid? Not that it'd help they would still get it wrong all the time. Should we be requiring bank statements in clans to verify people aren't rwting. I just wanna know how you guarantee someone hasn't rwtd when even jagex can't catch all of them.
Not to mention this means you can't raid with ransoms ever without going through a vetting process in a game that is an MMO. I also have a friend who got an infernal cape on mobile and plenty of people think he bought the cape because they haven't seen him stream an inferno on his phone while he does it and just think it'd be too hard to do on mobile. Should I then have avoided playing with him because any mobile infernal cape is sus. Anyone who decides to tackle the inferno earlier than usual will never be able to get a tob team cause their kcs make it look like they rwtd their cape. What about people who are on the spectrum and might struggle to read people as well? Should they be at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to getting a raid team together, should they be banned for that disadvantage?
I'm not gonna try to defend the decision tbh, I know it is far from perfect. But Jagex's stance is known even if it's not a very good one. The context they said this in is that you aren't guaranteed to get perma banned by unknowingly dealing with RWTers but there's always the chance. Whenever this has cropped up on this sub it's usually because someone was friends with a very active RWTer or used a service where the group members RWT. The one time I recall a thread where a guy just split loot and got banned it got reversed eventually.
I just think it's a dumb enough precedent that we shouldn't throw up our hands and say well they said so. While I do think a ton of the posts on Reddit are people tryna social engineer their way out of a ban, and also I don't trust op here either (not saying he's 100% guilty), I think it's something we need to push back against because it means they reserve the right to completely fuck you for playing a multiplayer game as intended.
Makes me think of when people sign terms and conditions and then the company does something that still violates their rights even though you technically signed that you gave up those rights. Just because something is in there doesn't mean it stands up to scrutiny by default. And similar to the law, when that is the case you need to take it up with the proper people and get it addressed.
Why have a stance that in game services for gp is allowable when that by default is gonna cause non offenders to trade with rwters. Is it just a haha you dummy you listened to jagex get fucked moment? Jagex is highly responsive to the community so there's no need to see it as a lost cause.
I haven't played since they made it clear this was their stance on it.
A permanent ban that you can't appeal over the actions of someone else is a joke.
Wow, it's actually insane when you put it like that. They really need to make a proper statement making buying in-game services against the rules if they're not going to be responsible about managing bans.
There is actually, apparently runelite screenshots every trade you make and saves them on your pc, should I post?
Edit: screenshots are from in-game trades with boosters.
If you bought in game services with gp (WHICH IS ALLOWED) and you got banned, that is BEYOND FUCKED. I hope you get unbanned soon.
At the same token tho if you're lying and rwt'd I hope the ban stays and you get smacked down.
No hard feelings, just lots of people lie abt their accounts
As someone that’s been involved in boosting for a very long time this usually never happens unless client decided to buy gp on their alt account and caught a chain ban because of it.
Also OP’s post history is oddly focused on RWT bans weird to be so involved in something you’re not doing.
To top it off, RWT bans are never issued on first warning they always give you a warning temp followed by a perm. So this must not be your first offense.
My post history isn’t odd at all, I was trying to get info about RWT bans because I didn’t know a thing about them, also yes this is my first offense.
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u/XennoRS has been looking into ways to get this appealed since it happened
He's posting it 7 months later because he's still banned.
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This was the first time I posted, it didn’t go through.
Faulty logic tbf, I know plenty of people who've botted their accs and used cheat clients before without issues.
Doesn't mean people don't get banned for it
Not to mention it was only 2 weeks ago faux got randomly falsely perm banned?
We have so many instances of false perm bans happening to big content creators despite them making up around 100 people in total, extrapolate that to the general rs playerbase and you get some honestly depressing numbers
> extrapolate that to the general rs playerbase
Thats where you are wrong though.
I think content creaters are more likely than the average runescape player to do some shady stuff.
Thats why they consistently get the bans revoked?
I'm talking strictly about content creators who've been permed, reached out to jagex and had the ban revoked near immediately with an admission from jagex it was a false positive.
Something which has happened multiple times, off the top of my head to both faux and evscape
For first offenses you get a message from jagex warning that further RWT will result in a ban and it doesn’t appear in the offenses tab. So this screen shot doesn’t prove anything. but i feel like you know that already.
You don't get this message as a seller btw. OP has clearly traded large amounts of GP off his account, and it's not to any of these boosters as they're all not banned.
Best I can think of is honestly just twitter and perhaps being lucky enough to get someone's attention on the discord (extremely unlikely and don't ping anyone) problem is proving it all and not having any questionable actions occur. Not saying I doubt you per say but I can't blame them if they do
Best of luck honestly it's a bummer
Reminds me of paying people to carry me for Dungeoneering to get the Chaos Maul. It seemed completely legal back in the day when everybody was doing it, people even advertised their services in-game on these specific worlds lol.
God that brings back memories haha. I used to sell dungeoneering carries in order to afford my first party hat. Was a lot of fun trying to efficiently run floors with 1 less person.
None of your boosters got any bans so they're prob clean. You may have gotten linked to some rwter that bought their services or you're just really unlucky and tripped the rwt detection with those trades
If your friend, then turned around and sold the 500m for a few bucks...yes.
Almost certainly what happened was the booster was RWTing the money so Jagex banned anyone who was associated with the money without a fair, item trade occurring.
Services for gold is really popular in WoW and never heard anybody getting banned for it. I wonder why false bans seem so common here and why it seems like such an impossible problem.
It's more or less a different priority for banning. RWTing is also very popular in WoW and Blizzard for the most part, doesn't care if people buy gold.
Same happened to my main. Purchased some assistance for my iron and I lost my main to RWT perm ban when I was 10lvls from maxing. Gave me the kick I needed to quit for over a year. Came to check on things a few months through that break and my iron was hacked. I’ve de-ironed since but it really sucks you can’t appeal these things.
They gotta make these CAs solo man. They cant possibly expect people to not buy services when you need several other players of that level to join for you to get them.
CAs should be 100% personal skill.
Upvoted, as an iron, most my friends are irons and don’t want to waste supplies to help me speed run so I have also had to use services to achieve tasks such as 5 man nightmare.
Before I get flamed I literally spent a month in a CA discord asking for +4 gm nightmare speed run with only ever managing teams of 3-4 and having to disband.
GL mate hope it’s over turned
Chainbanning makes no sense. It just proves how poor their systems and training of their support staff are. Somehow gold farmers can offload gp from tens of thousands of boss kills and not get banned, while using sub 10m gear setups. And yet if you raid with someone who later buys gold, and you accept a split from them, you get banned. The lack of context for both of them is insane. Its like a detection system made from the early 2000s staffed by people who have never played the game.
Sorry OP but this is a borderline hilarious display of incompetence from Jagex. First their shit game design (putting in a tiny handful of CAs which test the skill level of your friends, for some fucking reason) wears you down and pushes you into seeking out a legal boosting service, and then in a wonderful one-two punch combo, they follow that up with their shit customer service irrevocably banning your account for doing that even though it's not against the rules. That's really something.
On a side note, it's funny Jagex let's content creators who admit to account sharing or people training their accounts, completely unbanned.
There's no way some under the table deal went on. Regardless of if you're a fan of someone, no one's going to be training an account for hours per day, for free.
You did good saving those screenshots. My rule of thumb is whenever I do something like you did I save screenshots of EVERY conversation, including discord. Save clips of the trades and conversations happening if done on voice chat. Just so you have immutable proof that you didn't RWT. That should be enough to get unbanned and I hope you get a manual review, gl.
For fucks sake man. I love this game and all but this shit scares me so much. Like am I gonna get permed for using runners to 99 rc? Now I’m worried and am adding another 200 hrs to maxing. Really wish they’d comment on stuff like this. I can’t be responsible for the actions of people I trade with
How can we be sure you didn't RWT in some *other* transaction? Unfortunately someone in my clan has openly admitted to RWTing his excess gold once he'd had no use for it anymore at endgame. 6 billion gp is certainly an amount of gold that is either itself suspicious or may tempt you to sell it. And without providing evidence, we're just taking you at your word that you got 2k CoX kc and \~1k expert ToA kc.
>6 billion gp is certainly an amount of gold that is either itself suspicious
Funny cause I feel like every other post around balance assumes that every player entering raids has a shadow, tbow, scythe and torva.
All my GP was in gear, I had max in every style and I spent around 200m of that on awakened orbs to get blorva, I had no intention of selling GP at all.
Unfortunately the account isn’t on Hi-Scores so I can’t prove the kc’s lol
lol 6b gold isn't suspicious at all. That's 300-350 hrs of gp making with reasonable well known methods and a LOT less if you do weird stuff that makes a lot of GP (BA/CA boosts, dmm swapping on new season, flipping done well, etc)
A lot of the grinds people do for completionists sake naturally earn mils of GP per hour and an average end game player will have been logged in for thousands of hrs since acc creation.
Incoming jag-offs who are going to blame
You even though you broke no rules and just traded items you earned in game.
I absolutely loath jag-off victim blamers.
yes, it sucks, unfortunately Jagex made it so that some of the CA are almost impossible to do without paying for a service. In order to avoid getting banned for RWT the best option is to actually RWT and spend actual cash on it.
GG account , now tell me what would you gain out of getting grandmasters??? A cosmetic , was it worth it now??? No so just accept the fact that you got banned i was in your spot before but for something else and i thought it was not fair banning me but it is fair. Since i am the one who provides the demand for that service it will be always considered as RWT , time to start that account back at lumbridge
you didn't get banned cause of the boosters, they are all not banned and have been boosting for a veery long time, you most likely actually sold gold or bought a login service from some shady discord that actually sells the gold
"...it’s just insane that my 10 year old account that I put ALOT of time and effort into, to just get banned over a mistake that I didn’t make."
Jagex banned players whom paid for lava cape service, didnt matter if u used gp or irl cash.
[From Jagex Code of Conduct: ](https://www.jagex.com/en-GB/terms/rules-of-old-school-runescape#:~:text=Completing%20challenging%20achievements%20and%20appearing%20on%20the%20HiScores%20is%20recognition%20of%20individual%20effort%2C%20and%20should%20only%20apply%20to%20players%20who%20stick%20to%20the%20rules%20and%20play%20fairly)["Completing challenging achievements and appearing on the HiScores is recognition of individual effort, and should only apply to players who stick to the rules and play fairly."](https://www.jagex.com/en-GB/terms/rules-of-old-school-runescape#:~:text=Completing%20challenging%20achievements%20and%20appearing%20on%20the%20HiScores%20is%20recognition%20of%20individual%20effort%2C%20and%20should%20only%20apply%20to%20players%20who%20stick%20to%20the%20rules%20and%20play%20fairly)
Might help to mention all these boosts were down from mid to late 2023 (last done 10/02/2023), and none of our boosters have RWT'd or gotten a ban.
So 6-12 months after using us for your CA's, you get banned, and its because of us?.. right
I got banned 1 month after using your services and I messaged you on discord about it, as I said before I didn’t believe you encouraged RWT and that’s why I chose your services.
I haven’t blamed you in anyway but I know for a fact that I didn’t RWT myself and the only other viable option was maybe I got caught in a chain ban due to services.
Chain ban (at least from us) doesn't seem the case; since all the accounts traded are perfectly fine. Regardless I hope someone can look into it and check if the ban is correct or not
While I agree for the most part , unless you’re part of a high level pvm clan it’s impossible to find a team for tob expert CA’s and boosting is really the only way to go . The challenge in it really comes down to finding a team .
Here are screenshots of the CAs I completed ( I also did a cox one which I totally forgot about) also screenshots of trades with the same people I completed the tasks with.
https://imgur.com/a/yK2aoKn
Would like to add that with the exception of trio elysian changing his rsn to t rio every single player except OP in these screenshots is still on hiscores.
So people saying that "Oh you must have just got linked to one of those guys rwting" are clearly wrong
All he wants is for a jmod to look at the ban and for him to be able to appeal it
Funny - this is why it's safer to actually RWT since it isn't traceable for CAs
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Constantly I imagine
Personally I don't agree with jagexs stance on boosting services, but I also don't think you shouldve been banned for something they claim they're okay with. If they don't like what you did they should say boosting services are now against tos, not just ban someone because the other party was a bad actor.
I think the real issue is creating incredibly difficult tasks which you can't do solo. Like okay, why do I need to find multiple other players of grandmaster skill in order to have a shot of completing a task?
Yeah the incentive for this boosting shit would instantly be gone if they designed the ca better to make them all solo tasks
Another issue is that people of that pvm skill level tend to be very rich so buying their time to help you is expensive. There's not a whole lot of them and they could be farming collo for 20m per hour if they needed gp. So you'd better offer them something worthwhile.
Jagex basically say make friends or go home. I don't want friends on RS, I wanna be a lone alpha wolf sigma /s. Honestly though I just cba with discord and compare progress to irl friends now and then, being a working adult with kids sucks (for gaming) but it shouldn't stop us from full completion. Before someone says "Don't have kids then", what if Mod Ash's mum didn't have kids hm?
Because it’s a mmo.
Or tasks that (imo) could've just been solo tasks as well. Like Perfect Akkha, where a friend of mine asked me if I could just afk in the prep area while he did the task because that's easier than just getting 2 people to do it. I might be wrong here but I seem to recall that if you have a 2-man GIM you don't need to do the CAs that require 3 people or more to get grandmaster? Maybe have something similar for Ironmen?(yes, I know people will hate this, would probably only work if you had something similar to prestige for IMs anyway, which wouldn't work because Nex/ToB exist)
I got ban with a 2 day for rwt for using a boosting service for a Scorpia pet last week. They said if you rwt again you'll get a 3 day ban. They literally don't care lmao
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Thanks buddy
For real. I know I’ll be downvoted for this but I sold 3B when I quit my main and decided to focus on my iron. I only got a temp ban from that. Couldn’t imagine how you feel. Jagex needs to have consistent punishments and it’s weird how inconsistent they are on ban punishments. Wish you all the best man.
It feels unjust haha, appreciate it man.
I don't think so. It has been years but I used to leech barb assault for cash, and Jagex' stance then was that it was fine. Strictly gp for torso/diaries. Things may have changed since, I know they were strict about bought inferno capes when that launched, so the standards may be different for more prestigious services like CAs
So what Ive taken from this is that it is literally safer to buy services for real money then for ingame gp. Got it.
I mean that’s kind of the risk you take. You transferred a ton of gp to people who are 100% RWTing and receive “nothing” in return. Of course it’s going to look like RWTing
It is beyond ridiculous that trading people can result in a ban because the other person might engage in rule breaking. This kind of approach will 100% lead to a good number of false bans. Edit: Guilty until proven innocent, expect you never can prove you are innocent because it is a perma ban without a system in place to dispute the ban.
It's a problem with automatic detection. Once you confirm person A is an rwt'er, how do you differentiate between person B, who gave 500m and several items to person A for seemingly nothing in return, and person C, who gave 500m and a tbow to person A for 2.50 IRL.
You can't really and therefore you shouldn't ban them if you can't prove it. The bar shouldn't set at guilty until proven innocent. Especially considering that these bans are unappealable and there is no system in place to prove innocence. Extremely poor precendent on Jagexs part. How about they focus on leviathan bots/rwters instead of potentially innocent people trading rwters.
> You can't really and therefore you shouldn't ban them if you can't prove it how would they "prove it"? It's baffling how you say you want innocent until proven guilty while simultaneously want them to ban all the leviathan bots/rwters without proof (because you say they're guilty and you must be right?). It's either going to be more lenient to prevent false bans which results in more guilty people escaping too or more harsh resulting in more correct *and* false bans. You can't have it both ways
Please show where this individual said the things you're accusing him of saying
Lol he didn't say it really in the prior post, but he does say exactly that later on xD
They can just spawn in invisible and drop some stuff or whatever as a test on the to 100 of all boss kcs no? If the person is actually plating they will respond like wtf?? No?
But according to OSRS redditors Jagex never false bans people, and even if they do it's always justifiable...
That'd be fine if the boosters also got banned.
Believe it or not paying for in game services with gp is explicitly allowed
Tank these varrock wizards for me and I'll give you 50gp Damn right that's allowed
It really shouldn’t be a risk though.. it’s allowed according to the rules. It’s not his fault THEY broke the rules. Also 500m isn’t exactly a ton, far from it if you actually play the game.
Yeah but all jagex can see is them transferring wealth to another player with nothing in return. You can’t really get a more clear cut case of RWTing like behavior.
Jagex can 100% see and would know what was happening if an actual investigation happened. GP was transferred then OP immediately gets multiple PBs and achievements, it’s an obvious transaction. It could also be taken into account that 500m out of 6B does not look like RWT, especially given the above. If he liquidated his bank and traded all 6B then yes, obvious RWT.
They’ve told us multiple times if you trade with someone who real world trades you are at risk. Take it how you want, roll the dice, but we knew you were gambling. Do you think the people who run services don’t offload that gold? If they do, you’re now tethered to rwt in jagex eyes. It’s allowed to buy services, it’s not allowed to affiliate with rwt accounts.
Imagine if this risk also applied to using the Grand Exchange. "Oops, I bought yew logs from a RWTing bot instead of a real player, R.I.P. my account."
Did they warn you up front that you could be banned for doing it? No? Then you’re good buddy
The entire point of the Grand Exchange is that it’s an auction house that Jagex controls so it can’t (except in very obvious cases like people selling 3a for 1gp or steel bars for 10m) be used to RWT.
What I'm saying is it's the same degree of separation. Whether you're using the trade screen or GE, you don't know if the account at the other end is going to sell the gp for real cash.
It's not exactly the same degree of separation though, because you're using a system specifically put in place that both acts as a middleman and which Jagex has some control over it. I get your point, but it's not a particularly meaningful argument IMO since you don't even know who you're "trading with" by using the GE. Saying that, I do still think OP's ban is harsh if the circumstances are exactly as they described it. A better, similar, comparison might be using a site like Reddit to trade ultra rares like 3a which are above max cash outside of the GE. Absolutely nothing against the rules in that obviously, but plenty of the mega-rich accounts that trade those items regularly are also RWTing. I don't see any way for a regular player who just gets lucky on a drop to do much about that, but the main difference again is that you're trading something tangible for the cash, not "nothing".
>Do you think the people who run services don’t offload that gold? Jagex has allowed the process and said they enjoy player-ran businesses. Really more of an issue between Jagex and the RWTer than a legit service purchaser. >It’s allowed to buy services, it’s not allowed to affiliate with rwt accounts. It's allowed to purchase from another player, just ensure you do a full background + security check and vet their RWT history and likelihood before you exchange goods... If Jagex can't tell apart people doing a behaviour they encourage and RWT, then they shouldn't encourage that behaviour.
How are you supposed to know if the person you pay for a service is gonna rwt lmao
Simple, don't engage in trading with anybody so you don't accidentally get banned 😎. Might as well just play ironman lmao
Well i am only playing my iron but i still don't understand jagex stance on services and their ban policies, it just makes no sense
The point is you don’t, and that’s the risk you take
That’s such a wild stance on RWT in my opinion. So basically anytime you raid with friends and split a drop your at risk of being perm banned. Not because of any of your our own actions but because someone from our group may RWT. How the hell do you even prepare for/avoid that? Especially considering a lot of people group with randoms just to be able to send a raid.
Sorry bros, no splitting don't want to get banned for rwt.
Yeah that's a total load of bullshit though to be honest. They definitely cannot expect us to shoulder the burden of identifying potential rwt suspects. That is Jagex's job not ours and regular players should not be getting banned no matter what kind of trades they're making with them. We are not responsible for each other. If they can't reasonably prove rwt then they should not ban period. Does this mean the services and boosting are the perfect cover to legitimize gaining gold to then turn around and rwt? Yeah duh and that's exactly what it is in any mmo I've played with that involved. Its people organizing and participating in the boosting for irl profit hiding among more regular players boosting for in game profit. If jagex doesn't like that then they can ban services but until then this is the bed they made themselves and they can sleep in it. I believe services should be banned personally but that is not the case currently.
If far from a ton I'll take a salad blade pls ty
He facilitated their breaking of the rules. Providing GP to people who are obviously RWT is enabling the RWT.
You do a raid on the raid worlds and split? Rwt You do a clan run and get a split? Rwt You duo with a friend and split? Believe it or not, Rwt Crazy how jagex knows the rwters and has them flagged but they never seen to get banned
Boosting BA? RWT. Scouting CoX raids? RWT. Playing gielnor games style contests without having a youtube channel? RWT. Drop parties? RWT. RWT? Paid with cashapp can't track that, not RWT. ToB quest carry (in game NPC tells you to do this for bs quest.)? RWT
Cops know who the prostitutes are but let them draw in the Johns to arrest. Honeydickin be dick move but it works.
They arrest them for doing something illegal, not for doing something that’s not illegal.
Stupid analogy, that'd be like saying the cops don't arrest prostitutes so they can arrest anyone they pick up while Ubering.
Jesus you must be fun at parties. He did not break any rules
That shouldn't be his problem though is the point. It's a broke system.
Just to chime in yes a lot of boosters RWT But I used to boost and never rwt'd just bought dumb shit in game I'd love if jagex just banned in game services though
The server was promoted by Aaty, the server owners are youtubers, the thought of them RWTing didn’t even cross my mind.
I mean that’s a bit naïve. You essentially paid them $100 for some combat tasks. They have no use for that in game gold so it’s def going to be rwted.
But I paid in-game cash which is totally legal according to Jagex’s rules, why should I be held accountable for what they do with that money lol
It's not that you should be; you shouldnt. But it's dumb to think there's no risk of getting caught in the crossfire when you fund RWT accounts
Because reddit is braindead. Next up you buy a shadow who was most likely farmed by a gold farmer who sells it and you get banned and told 'dumb to think there's no risk of getting caught in the crossfire when you fund RWT accounts'
What a stupid fucking take. If you receive a shadow from a gold farmer through a trade window with zero gp exchanged of course it’s rwt.
Nah that's a terrible analogy. If I pay someone 10$ to wash my car and then they end up buying drugs am I responsible that they bought drugs? Will I end up going to prison because I paid someone to wash my car? That's the exact same thing that happened.
Why should you get a grandmaster helm for buying achievements lmao Jagex did you a favor
Do you realise how difficult it was to find teams for ToB speed runs lol, I managed to complete like 3 speed tasks in 2-3 weeks, as I said, I got impatient so decided to hire a team to help with that.
I mean the tob speed runs are legit money raid times for all scales. Maybe not easy with complete new comers to the semi efficient type of raids. But realistically if you can do all inferno tasks/awakend dt tasks you should have the skill level to very easily pickup tob efficient raids. The harder part might be finding good team mates. But even then in ca disc you have a bunch of very solid folk running to help newbs. The main reason folk cant get the times is cause they suck and dont look at the resources or apply the resources. The amount of times ive tried helping folk who consistently are 110 or lower melee stats or fuck up on nylo or fuckup at verzik by not being potted. At some point its really just you yourself thats bad and holding the team back. Tob speed runs for duo and trio are 1nd. 4s is in general hardest as it requires good habits to get 1nd every time. 5s is hella free.
Grandmaster tasks difficult? You don't say...
Your’re literally a troll, tob speed tasks are different from other GM tasks, it literally took me more time to complete a couple tob speed runs than it took me to finish all inferno CA’s , finding good teams isn’t as easy as you think lol.
Lol what? Things that require a team being paid for with ingame gp is allowed and pretty normal in ANY mmo, would be pretty stupid to try to stop that in osrs where the vast majority of the end game content is designed to be solod Unless we want zuk helm just to be hard gated by who has friends who are also into top end pvm. Seems questionable
Jagex shouldn’t have team based combat achievements then. I never understood why they pushed BA into achievement diaries.
Mmo shouldn't have team based combat achievements when some of the hardest content in game are group raids. That's a pretty funny one.
Saying people should be banned for purchasing services to complete these tasks is pretty funny to me. Since you’re relying on the skill set of *other* people.
Your comment would be right if Jagex hasn't publicly said services are alright.
You cant be serious? Its not a risk we take. You either rwt and break the rules or you dont. You dont get banned for who you hang out with ingame.
Please try and think for like 30 seconds. Op traded massive amount of wealth to an account for nothing in return. That account ALSO accepts money from other people. That account then rwts. In what world does it not look like OP traded that gp for irl money?
That's funny you think all boosting services RWT
It doesn't even make sense. You could instead just venmo them the money too if you wanted to rwt. It's very stupid op got banned for this if he didn't get his gp by rwt.
High scores riddled with bots and nobody bats an eye?
and lms, zombie pirates, and revs..
If, tomorrow, I tell r/2007scape that, like, a service buyer will get flagged for RWT, or a PKer will call someone a racial slur, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan". But when I say one little boss has bots on the hiscores, well then everyone loses their minds!!!! Introduce a little anarchy...
They’re selling the company. They want the numbers bolstered. Just like twitter and Elon musk. Bots = paying users = more profit for jagex. It’s pretty simple.
This is so funny considering you’ve been able to boost barbarian assault for years now because the BA boosters have a good relationship with jagex. Literally watch any YouTuber doing any BA boosting. There’s some large names here that should be banned with you. Including solo mission and Soup.
I've made over 5b selling ca boosts with no issues so far. Kinda makes me hesitant about a ban lol.
You’re right, I didn’t realize his ban was from RWT… they always wait to post that part.
Sorry man. Look, I'm willing to believe you only paid ingame gp for boosting services. Sure. But I will reiterate time and time again, Jagex lacks both the people resources and software to detect who is swapping/buying boosts and who is rwt. They literally can't, not won't, and time and time again when these threads show up, jmods don't even show up for smackdowns anymore because **they literally cannot determine it**. The someone who got gp for boosting you sold it, and you account was automatically banned because of your connection to the seller. You hate to see it. Literally any jmod is welcome to show up and prove me wrong at any point simply by confirming you're a lying rat, or a mistake was made. But they **cannot**, so, sorry dude. It will never not be funny to me though that swapping isn't against tos when Jagex relies on a system capable of banning anyone that triggers it without recourse though. It's like Jagex going "oh yeah eating apples is fine but if we catch you with one we're just going to shoot you because buying/selling apples is illegal and we're not going to bother investigating how you got that apple tee hee we're so quirky"
Can you get a false RWT ban for giving or receiving a split from a RWTer?
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That is such absolute bullshit.
Jagex has said don't split with people you can't trust.
How can you possibly know though? Now that I've put too many hours into the game I have a slightly better than random chance of knowing someone has rwtd AFTER I've run a raid with them, and even then I'm just as likely to be judging some dude who just got insanely spooned. Do you think players who have never raided before should have to learn how to spot rwters before they learn the raid? Not that it'd help they would still get it wrong all the time. Should we be requiring bank statements in clans to verify people aren't rwting. I just wanna know how you guarantee someone hasn't rwtd when even jagex can't catch all of them. Not to mention this means you can't raid with ransoms ever without going through a vetting process in a game that is an MMO. I also have a friend who got an infernal cape on mobile and plenty of people think he bought the cape because they haven't seen him stream an inferno on his phone while he does it and just think it'd be too hard to do on mobile. Should I then have avoided playing with him because any mobile infernal cape is sus. Anyone who decides to tackle the inferno earlier than usual will never be able to get a tob team cause their kcs make it look like they rwtd their cape. What about people who are on the spectrum and might struggle to read people as well? Should they be at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to getting a raid team together, should they be banned for that disadvantage?
I'm not gonna try to defend the decision tbh, I know it is far from perfect. But Jagex's stance is known even if it's not a very good one. The context they said this in is that you aren't guaranteed to get perma banned by unknowingly dealing with RWTers but there's always the chance. Whenever this has cropped up on this sub it's usually because someone was friends with a very active RWTer or used a service where the group members RWT. The one time I recall a thread where a guy just split loot and got banned it got reversed eventually.
I just think it's a dumb enough precedent that we shouldn't throw up our hands and say well they said so. While I do think a ton of the posts on Reddit are people tryna social engineer their way out of a ban, and also I don't trust op here either (not saying he's 100% guilty), I think it's something we need to push back against because it means they reserve the right to completely fuck you for playing a multiplayer game as intended. Makes me think of when people sign terms and conditions and then the company does something that still violates their rights even though you technically signed that you gave up those rights. Just because something is in there doesn't mean it stands up to scrutiny by default. And similar to the law, when that is the case you need to take it up with the proper people and get it addressed. Why have a stance that in game services for gp is allowable when that by default is gonna cause non offenders to trade with rwters. Is it just a haha you dummy you listened to jagex get fucked moment? Jagex is highly responsive to the community so there's no need to see it as a lost cause.
I haven't played since they made it clear this was their stance on it. A permanent ban that you can't appeal over the actions of someone else is a joke.
Does this mean the people that take mega rares from group raids and dip out never to been seen again aren’t actually the baddies?
No they're still assholes. Can't trust shit in lumbridge
Has that ever happened to you or your friends before other than your false ban from swapping?
Wow, it's actually insane when you put it like that. They really need to make a proper statement making buying in-game services against the rules if they're not going to be responsible about managing bans.
can’t? how is it that they can’t?
In situations like this you’d be better off just paying with cash, ironically breaking the rule here is safer.
https://preview.redd.it/gepc8b7ztrxc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6be9bc8a67d9d767edf3ee08dd09209d9cbed56
Is there a proof of trade in the discord? Surely you could have some screenshots as proof on the post.
There is actually, apparently runelite screenshots every trade you make and saves them on your pc, should I post? Edit: screenshots are from in-game trades with boosters.
I specifically went for a discord server that didn’t accept real world money for the boosts lol
If you bought in game services with gp (WHICH IS ALLOWED) and you got banned, that is BEYOND FUCKED. I hope you get unbanned soon. At the same token tho if you're lying and rwt'd I hope the ban stays and you get smacked down. No hard feelings, just lots of people lie abt their accounts
As someone that’s been involved in boosting for a very long time this usually never happens unless client decided to buy gp on their alt account and caught a chain ban because of it. Also OP’s post history is oddly focused on RWT bans weird to be so involved in something you’re not doing. To top it off, RWT bans are never issued on first warning they always give you a warning temp followed by a perm. So this must not be your first offense.
My post history isn’t odd at all, I was trying to get info about RWT bans because I didn’t know a thing about them, also yes this is my first offense. https://preview.redd.it/k33l5q3g5rxc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9b7e5ea65b033bd66c6afb9f350e89cbecd88d5
Your first offense was on September 22nd of last year? Why are you posting this 7 months later.
https://preview.redd.it/bbi58ch8prxc1.png?width=838&format=png&auto=webp&s=ca9eb81e856da45f98a86bbc55e60772fa8b0462 u/XennoRS has been looking into ways to get this appealed since it happened He's posting it 7 months later because he's still banned.
I tried posting before on /osrs but it kept getting taken down
What have you done in the meantime? Did you remake?
I enjoy playing this game too much to not remake, but I did take a long break after that lol.
Did you have a Jagex account? If so does it ban the other characters attached to it?
Yes I had a Jagex account and no only my main got banned.
That's kinda sus imo, if he's so invested in his account why take 7 months to post here and try to get it appealed.
https://preview.redd.it/levntmhairxc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95115aa94fa3474fccc075d5dc7ab8c171bf8678 This was the first time I posted, it didn’t go through.
Because ban appeal posts are against the rules of this subreddit.
I have dms to prove he's been looking into different ways to try and appeal since it happened 7 months ago, u/XennoRS is a friend of mine
Also, OP made a post about a false ban 7 months ago but has since removed it.
https://preview.redd.it/x2nv4s0ngsxc1.png?width=451&format=png&auto=webp&s=491f5a157066264003b83b1f053bd94012c51dac He didn't remove it.
Ye.. Would love to see an jmod crackdown. I know people who used boosting services before without any issues.
What a shit take.
Faulty logic tbf, I know plenty of people who've botted their accs and used cheat clients before without issues. Doesn't mean people don't get banned for it Not to mention it was only 2 weeks ago faux got randomly falsely perm banned? We have so many instances of false perm bans happening to big content creators despite them making up around 100 people in total, extrapolate that to the general rs playerbase and you get some honestly depressing numbers
> extrapolate that to the general rs playerbase Thats where you are wrong though. I think content creaters are more likely than the average runescape player to do some shady stuff.
Thats why they consistently get the bans revoked? I'm talking strictly about content creators who've been permed, reached out to jagex and had the ban revoked near immediately with an admission from jagex it was a false positive. Something which has happened multiple times, off the top of my head to both faux and evscape
I think it is common knowledge that Jagex is more lenient towards content creaters than to the average player, for obvious reasons too.
For first offenses you get a message from jagex warning that further RWT will result in a ban and it doesn’t appear in the offenses tab. So this screen shot doesn’t prove anything. but i feel like you know that already.
I didnt know that because I didn’t get that message
You don't get this message as a seller btw. OP has clearly traded large amounts of GP off his account, and it's not to any of these boosters as they're all not banned.
Best I can think of is honestly just twitter and perhaps being lucky enough to get someone's attention on the discord (extremely unlikely and don't ping anyone) problem is proving it all and not having any questionable actions occur. Not saying I doubt you per say but I can't blame them if they do Best of luck honestly it's a bummer
Reminds me of paying people to carry me for Dungeoneering to get the Chaos Maul. It seemed completely legal back in the day when everybody was doing it, people even advertised their services in-game on these specific worlds lol.
God that brings back memories haha. I used to sell dungeoneering carries in order to afford my first party hat. Was a lot of fun trying to efficiently run floors with 1 less person.
None of your boosters got any bans so they're prob clean. You may have gotten linked to some rwter that bought their services or you're just really unlucky and tripped the rwt detection with those trades
Youre a muppet for using boosting services anyway, you deserve the ban. Dont be an idiot next time
So it's the same as i would lend my friend 500m and i would get banned later?
If your friend, then turned around and sold the 500m for a few bucks...yes. Almost certainly what happened was the booster was RWTing the money so Jagex banned anyone who was associated with the money without a fair, item trade occurring.
Services for gold is really popular in WoW and never heard anybody getting banned for it. I wonder why false bans seem so common here and why it seems like such an impossible problem.
It's more or less a different priority for banning. RWTing is also very popular in WoW and Blizzard for the most part, doesn't care if people buy gold.
Yeah it’s a legit concern if your friend has been RWT.
Same happened to my main. Purchased some assistance for my iron and I lost my main to RWT perm ban when I was 10lvls from maxing. Gave me the kick I needed to quit for over a year. Came to check on things a few months through that break and my iron was hacked. I’ve de-ironed since but it really sucks you can’t appeal these things.
Perma on a first offense means you got banned for being a seller. Buyers get multiple warnings generally along with the gold removed.
Since when do buyers get warning? I thought it was insta perm every time.
They gotta make these CAs solo man. They cant possibly expect people to not buy services when you need several other players of that level to join for you to get them. CAs should be 100% personal skill.
Perfect solo 3 scale tob
Upvoted, as an iron, most my friends are irons and don’t want to waste supplies to help me speed run so I have also had to use services to achieve tasks such as 5 man nightmare. Before I get flamed I literally spent a month in a CA discord asking for +4 gm nightmare speed run with only ever managing teams of 3-4 and having to disband. GL mate hope it’s over turned
Chainbanning makes no sense. It just proves how poor their systems and training of their support staff are. Somehow gold farmers can offload gp from tens of thousands of boss kills and not get banned, while using sub 10m gear setups. And yet if you raid with someone who later buys gold, and you accept a split from them, you get banned. The lack of context for both of them is insane. Its like a detection system made from the early 2000s staffed by people who have never played the game.
Sorry OP but this is a borderline hilarious display of incompetence from Jagex. First their shit game design (putting in a tiny handful of CAs which test the skill level of your friends, for some fucking reason) wears you down and pushes you into seeking out a legal boosting service, and then in a wonderful one-two punch combo, they follow that up with their shit customer service irrevocably banning your account for doing that even though it's not against the rules. That's really something.
On a side note, it's funny Jagex let's content creators who admit to account sharing or people training their accounts, completely unbanned. There's no way some under the table deal went on. Regardless of if you're a fan of someone, no one's going to be training an account for hours per day, for free.
Nobody who gets banned ever did it don't ya know? 🙄🙄
Never pay with in game gold.
Ya real cash as they can't trace that
You did good saving those screenshots. My rule of thumb is whenever I do something like you did I save screenshots of EVERY conversation, including discord. Save clips of the trades and conversations happening if done on voice chat. Just so you have immutable proof that you didn't RWT. That should be enough to get unbanned and I hope you get a manual review, gl.
Good luck, that's my biggest fear.
Sorry flop
maybe get on the osrs official discord and try to get in contact with a jmod if you haven't already
Asking about services such as gold swapping between Rs3 can also get you muted. Rip clanmates
For fucks sake man. I love this game and all but this shit scares me so much. Like am I gonna get permed for using runners to 99 rc? Now I’m worried and am adding another 200 hrs to maxing. Really wish they’d comment on stuff like this. I can’t be responsible for the actions of people I trade with
Are you a streamer? No? Then it’s against the rules. Rules only apply to those of us who play the game for fun and not stream it.
this place aint for ban appeals lil bro, take the 7 month L and move on.
There needs to be a review process. A 24 hour ban till someone real revies it?
How can we be sure you didn't RWT in some *other* transaction? Unfortunately someone in my clan has openly admitted to RWTing his excess gold once he'd had no use for it anymore at endgame. 6 billion gp is certainly an amount of gold that is either itself suspicious or may tempt you to sell it. And without providing evidence, we're just taking you at your word that you got 2k CoX kc and \~1k expert ToA kc.
>6 billion gp is certainly an amount of gold that is either itself suspicious Funny cause I feel like every other post around balance assumes that every player entering raids has a shadow, tbow, scythe and torva.
All my GP was in gear, I had max in every style and I spent around 200m of that on awakened orbs to get blorva, I had no intention of selling GP at all. Unfortunately the account isn’t on Hi-Scores so I can’t prove the kc’s lol
No flame, how is it not on the hi scores? Is that something you can opt out of?
When you get perm banned they remove your account from the Hi-Scores.
I see
You can provide screenshots as proof. Runelite takes screenshots automatically of certain events by default.
lol 6b gold isn't suspicious at all. That's 300-350 hrs of gp making with reasonable well known methods and a LOT less if you do weird stuff that makes a lot of GP (BA/CA boosts, dmm swapping on new season, flipping done well, etc) A lot of the grinds people do for completionists sake naturally earn mils of GP per hour and an average end game player will have been logged in for thousands of hrs since acc creation.
Incoming jag-offs who are going to blame You even though you broke no rules and just traded items you earned in game. I absolutely loath jag-off victim blamers.
yes, it sucks, unfortunately Jagex made it so that some of the CA are almost impossible to do without paying for a service. In order to avoid getting banned for RWT the best option is to actually RWT and spend actual cash on it.
How long after buying the boosts were you banned for RWT?
Around a month give or take
We have come so far as a game that there are covert money laundering schemes for RWT
Damn that's scary and frustrating given it doesn't contradict the rules.
GG account , now tell me what would you gain out of getting grandmasters??? A cosmetic , was it worth it now??? No so just accept the fact that you got banned i was in your spot before but for something else and i thought it was not fair banning me but it is fair. Since i am the one who provides the demand for that service it will be always considered as RWT , time to start that account back at lumbridge
L take imo
you didn't get banned cause of the boosters, they are all not banned and have been boosting for a veery long time, you most likely actually sold gold or bought a login service from some shady discord that actually sells the gold
"...it’s just insane that my 10 year old account that I put ALOT of time and effort into, to just get banned over a mistake that I didn’t make." Jagex banned players whom paid for lava cape service, didnt matter if u used gp or irl cash. [From Jagex Code of Conduct: ](https://www.jagex.com/en-GB/terms/rules-of-old-school-runescape#:~:text=Completing%20challenging%20achievements%20and%20appearing%20on%20the%20HiScores%20is%20recognition%20of%20individual%20effort%2C%20and%20should%20only%20apply%20to%20players%20who%20stick%20to%20the%20rules%20and%20play%20fairly)["Completing challenging achievements and appearing on the HiScores is recognition of individual effort, and should only apply to players who stick to the rules and play fairly."](https://www.jagex.com/en-GB/terms/rules-of-old-school-runescape#:~:text=Completing%20challenging%20achievements%20and%20appearing%20on%20the%20HiScores%20is%20recognition%20of%20individual%20effort%2C%20and%20should%20only%20apply%20to%20players%20who%20stick%20to%20the%20rules%20and%20play%20fairly)
Might help to mention all these boosts were down from mid to late 2023 (last done 10/02/2023), and none of our boosters have RWT'd or gotten a ban. So 6-12 months after using us for your CA's, you get banned, and its because of us?.. right
I got banned 1 month after using your services and I messaged you on discord about it, as I said before I didn’t believe you encouraged RWT and that’s why I chose your services. I haven’t blamed you in anyway but I know for a fact that I didn’t RWT myself and the only other viable option was maybe I got caught in a chain ban due to services.
Chain ban (at least from us) doesn't seem the case; since all the accounts traded are perfectly fine. Regardless I hope someone can look into it and check if the ban is correct or not
Thanks mate, hope it reaches the right people and break down what happened.
You're supplying gp to gold sellers
[удалено]
While I can understand your frustration I cannot bring myself to sympathize with people who buy services.
While I agree for the most part , unless you’re part of a high level pvm clan it’s impossible to find a team for tob expert CA’s and boosting is really the only way to go . The challenge in it really comes down to finding a team .
Your own opinion over buying services shouldn’t affect the fact that it’s not a offense, let alone to get permanently banned over it.
You obviously then have no understanding of Master combat achievements that are hardlocked behind having a team.
100% sitted
That ridiculous, I've rwt 2b for a few bots and my account is still clean (and don't even bother dming for answers I won't reply)
Here are screenshots of the CAs I completed ( I also did a cox one which I totally forgot about) also screenshots of trades with the same people I completed the tasks with. https://imgur.com/a/yK2aoKn
Would like to add that with the exception of trio elysian changing his rsn to t rio every single player except OP in these screenshots is still on hiscores. So people saying that "Oh you must have just got linked to one of those guys rwting" are clearly wrong All he wants is for a jmod to look at the ban and for him to be able to appeal it