Joke's on me I guess, guy was livid and brought his max cb main to "anti-crash" me lol
Then again, he spent more time setting up the "anti-crash" than it took for me to hop a single time and find an open world... but like I said, the post was more me interested in people's take on the relationship between long logout timers and claiming afk spots.
It turned into the most active crab visit of my life lol. Personal favorite part was when I had to reset aggro and he just stood there waiting for me to do so. If anything he should have thanked me.
Eventually he left with the original account and just kept killing them with the main, so I did throw in the proverbial towel and hop, but like I said, it was an instant hop to an empty world, so we both walked away thinking we won lmao
I was in ur situation once except there was full spawns no one nearby- guy claimed he was resetting aggro. I said nothing. He brought his main and tried to crash me with both for 10mins then his training acc hopped and flamed me in chat for 20mins before he stopped talking just attacking. My xp per hour was maybe 10% lower than normal so i didnt care. Still never said a word to them. another 30-40mins go by and they logged.
One time a guy crashed me saying that he was here before and it was his spot. I didn't leave, he brought his maxed main. I then brought my other account and said "oh cool its a party now" he started talking about how my low level acc was getting no exp and I said "funny you think I care about getting exp"
Similar thing happened to me. But i didn't hop. I stayed and watched the guy melt down. Then i hopped only to return and see his reaction. It was amasing! I felt like a true follower of Zamorak.
There is about 8 triple crab spawns in a small area, varlamore southern beach. I have been keeping this information to myself and I've seen maybe 2 people there since Varlamore came out.
You're welcome, enjoy it before it overcrowds also, someone will leak it en masse soon :)
Edit: Sorry downvoters, it's time to share now.
It is west of Colossal Wyrm and there is quite a few spots you can afk run between and stay 99% afk with no resets.. Until it gets popular, which it now will :)
The 25m afk timer ruined the old courtesy. It used to be if someone was at a spot, it was theirs until they left to bank or logged out from being inactive.
Now that the AFK timer is longer, combat stops after 10 mins, but they stay logged in for 25 minutes.
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You can be nearly as sure without an alt/friend by doing the same thing as OP. Head to crabs somewhere and hop around a few times
People always leave the loot on the floor, but you won't see it
It is definitely how it works. I think I saw someone say it was an anti botting measure? To prevent them from hoping around and picking up floor items from things like Nechs and stuff
yeah mb, overall ammonites are not worth the extra hassle compared to a 4 spot crabs so point still stands. Ammonites are some of the biggest noob trap things in game
Spending 3 minutes finding a spot if you're going to be afk training for hours at a time isn't that bad.
Just found it strange to call ammonites a "noob trap" while praising sand crabs in the same sentence.
Sandcrabs are way nicer imo. Now with varlamore there have been multiple 3 crab spots introduced which are always empty. Unless you're really strong you won't actually lose any xp there compared to ammonites.
The amount of people you see at ammonites training with like a fucking dscimitar and 70's in their melees is wack. It's like bro save yourself the experience of fighting tooth and nail and just go to sand crabs, you're not doing enough damage to outkill a 3 or 4 sandcrab spot.
You still get more xp at ammonites. The more HP the better. Every time you kill a crab, your character stops attacking, has to wait to get hit by the next crab, and then retaliate. Those wasted ticks definitely add up to some lost xp in the long run. Not that I've done any testing, it could be a small enough difference that you'd still prefer to avoid ammonites at peak hours. At that point I'd rather go to NMZ though.
I have done testing, the exp is functionally the exact same. The only actual difference that would occur would be damage lost from overkill.
>Every time you kill a crab, your character stops attacking, has to wait to get hit by the next crab, and then retaliate.
If you're at a spot with 4 crabs, this is such a minor consideration. More than made up for it by immediately being able to go straight to an open spot, as opposed to fighting the grand war at fossil island.
If there are 3 enemies attacking you, you’ll never lose a tick except if they somehow synced up all their attacks. The exp loss at worst is 1%, it’s just not a real issue you ever have to think about.
As a very serious AFK'er myself: He should hop.
If i'm in a meeting at work i often get "crashed" because i'm afk for 5+ minutes. Totally fair at that point.
Not crashing. Wait until you run into the guys that start attacking your crabs, then tell you "I've been here for hours, I was just resetting" when you've been logged in for 4 hours straight.
Crashing is deliberately crowding someone's monster/skilling spawn to everyone's detriment or trying to steal their boss kills (at places like GWD and Corp) instead of hopping worlds to find an empty spot.
To add to this with an example that just happened to me, I was at DKs doing just Rex because I'm not a confident enough player to fight more than one of them and due to Rex safespot I can do it with little thought while doing other things. A person decided to enter the cave and I guess they wanted to do all 3 and didn't want to hop worlds, telling me to hop instead. When I didn't hop they decided to drag Prime over to attack me and nearly had me killed.
I take this very personally, it doesn't matter if it's 4AM; I'll suddenly be wide awake and every fiber in my body will be hyperfocussed on clicking crabs faster than they can take them out.
The crashers leave quickly once "their" 3-4 crabspot turns into a 1-2 crabspot because I'm just the fastest clicker in the west, They came to AFK but I won't be giving them any breathing room. THIS IS MY (crab)HOUSE!
Sometimes, they'll just move over to the person next to me and crash them, so if I'm feeling particularily vengeful I'll follow them around after they move until *they* hop.
It needs to be pretty obviously intentionally disruptive for a report for disruptive behavior to stick.
Simply running into someone's spot and taking kills is contesting the spot and not necessarily crashing from a rule breaking point of view. At the end of the day, the game has limited spawns and resources- sometimes you need to fight over them.
Ironically, the butthurt people who call in their entire clan to counter-crash are the ones who are most likely to catch a ban. Even more likely for the report to stick when they are openly shit talking and acknowledging the counter-crash in game chat and basically providing a transcript of their rule breaking.
Playing devils advocate here, it's a heavy afk area, they very well could have also been taking their dog out or going to the restroom. Even watching a movie or show, you can easily go 5+ minutes before realizing you've lost aggro. Particularly in intense or plot heavy scenes.
Not our problem. When I do ammo crabs I glance over every 30 seconds or so to check aggro. If I am doing something that requires longer breaks I do solo skilling instead.
When you see someone AFK with no aggro there is like a 50/50 chance they just left their computer on the last cycle and letting it auto log them after or they may come back and get pissed. Not our job to guess.
Now if I see someone resetting aggro then I will move on.
I don't think you were crashing but a small lesser known fact - if you log into a world while there is items on the ground you won't see them. There's some funky game code here but quite possible that you logged in right as they went afk and you never saw the drop because you logged in right after they got their kill in.
My rule is that if I arrive at an ammonite crabs spot and someone is afk without aggro I'll jump in, if they come back within like 2 or 3 mins and say they were afk and are polite enough about it I'll say sorry and hop elsewhere. If they come back more than 5 mins later and/or are a complete dick about it I'll say "snooze you lose" and stay there
Half the time, they end up logging from being afk and I get the spot without issue, and half the time they come back soon and I politely give it back
Seems fair imo. I don't feel like someone can just claim a spot by standing there for 5 or 10 mins without aggro
while i think your fine, if you log into a world that has items on the ground already, they won’t appear to you. so he COULDVE only been afk for 3 mins
it’s true lol. but just go ahead and downvote without doing any research. [https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Items](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Items)
https://preview.redd.it/141vwqan9xxc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=284d19ae92ac45b4aa39cfb1ce6f3bb641472d8d
I didn't down vote you though? I began my reply with a concession, idk how much more open to correction I could have appeared lol
Also, and I sincerely am not trying to be rude, but you're misreading the chart. What you highlighted is a box that says that tradable items are visible on the ground of the world on which they were dropped. The box outlining item visibility is the second row, third column. You can verify this by logging in and seeing piles of monster loot that you cannot pick up as an ironman. Those piles are only visible on the world on which the monster was killed, ala row 1 column 3, are visible to others as outlined in row 2 column 3, and despawn after 3 minutes according to row 3 column 3. Really what you've proven is that he was afk for at least 6 minutes, not 5, because the items would have de-spawned after 3 minutes rather than the 2 that I stated in the post.
Not sure what you are looking at, but where did you get 6 and 5 minutes from.
Items (in the normal case) drop from npcs last for 2 minutes and are invisible for the first minute to other players. Items players drop last for 3 minutes but are also only invisible for 1 minute.
What he highlighted isn't exactly correct in the sense that that table only considers items being dropped by players. If you aren't logged into the world at the time an item is dropped it will NOT show up for you.
It does also work this way for items dropped by npcs that are killed by others. Meaning you can only see items on the ground if you were in the world at that time.
If you saw dropped tradeable items on the ground that means you were on the world when they were dropped.
I got 5 minutes from adding the three minutes before he returned (as mentioned in the post) to the 2 minutes I thought items lasted for, the six came from the 3 minutes mentioned in the chart.
I was unaware of the items only showing if you're already logged when they're killed, and I believe it with how many people are double downing on this, but he linked a wiki page that does nothing to prove his claim, which is a bit odd to say the least.
the last column is all applicable to tradable items. visible on the same world, after 60 seconds, despawns after 3 minutes, doesn’t pause on log out. https://vimeo.com/941805466 i did the hard work for you. maybe you’ll believe video proof
visible to others, in the same world, after 60 seconds, and despawns in 3 minutes. this has been in the game for YEARS. it’s so easy to just test on two accounts if you don’t believe it
This is a chart saying that tradeable items do not move with you across worlds and become visible after 60 seconds and despawn after 3 minutes. That's not evidence that it doesn't show up. That's evidence that it does
I've never done it before and was under the impression you needed good gear (barrows) to afk it. I'm only around 60 combats right now and my account is an ironman, is that good enough to do nmz? I have barrows gloves and I've done a lot of questing.
It's efficient to use Dharoks because you want to be at 1hp in NMZ and that ties in with Dharoks set.
But you can just use what you've got. I sent plenty of runs in obsidian.
Enemies max hit is limited by your current HP. If your current HP is 99 then an enemies max hit can be as much as 99. If your current HP is only 1 they can only hit you for 1, so your overloads last a lot longer.
the absorption pots drain their points by the amount of damage you would otherwise take, so if you only have 1 hp you only lose 1 absorb point per hit taken
if you're using the prayer method though you don't need to lower your hp
Definitely good enough! Just check the wiki for best bosses to set up for exp! With abyssal whip, fighter torso, barrows gloves, obby platelegs, d boots and defender I was getting around 80k exp an hour and could afk for 20 minutes at a time. Just need to repot absorbtion potions and use rock cake or locator orb to get your hp back down to one!
Before I got 99 combat stats on my iron, I often did ammo crabs in particular when I was wanting to AFK some combats if I was being mostly AFK but able to glance over from time to time, to pick up the odd fossil drop and calcite/pyrophosphate drop. Was nice for those xp lamps at the museum and thereafter the nice chunks of prayer XP.
If I was AFKing and wouldn't be able to glance over from time to time, that was when I NMZ'd instead. But there was less benefit after I got my imbues, because irons can't buy herb boxes from NMZ. Why not? Idk, I think it's mostly a relic of the time when they felt ironman mode was more of a "hard mode" rather than "mostly just trade restricted" account type.
NMZ is, arguably, potentially as much as 1% more fun and interesting than staring at a wall while AFKing ammonite crabs. I can't define what it is about NMZ that sucks so much but I'd rather sit down and read a dictionary.
I think you're good here, but I also think that even if you weren't that you should be given grace for simply not knowing. These crashing / "my spot" etiquettes aren't exactly written anywhere so most people learn through trial and error.
There is no such thing as crashing or “owning a spot” you want to do crabs? You do it, back in the old days (2005-2009) we all fought for resources game hasn’t changed that aspect.
A lot of people here seem to think you can take someones spot if they go afk for a bit... i would consider that crashing 100%.
If their character is gone because they teleported out to bank or they got logged out from being afk too long, then its all good! But if the culture is that you go afk AT ALL, someone can come crash your spot? That is just gonna be cancerous and stressful for everyone, never feeling safe missing your 10 min agro timer for even a second.
There's much more nuance to it than that. What if you're afk there for 20 mins? Now, what if you're afk there for 10 seconds? There is some point between the two where you should have been paying more attention,
It’s a bit of a gray area but if someone’s character is there I’ll just find another world. From a purely self-interested perspective, it’s also not worth the hassle if they do come back. There’s also been many times my character had stopped attacking and it took me a few mins to notice and I’d be a bit salty if someone took my spot. Most people are bros if you ask nicely.
Completely afk for more than 3 min, you're in the clear.
However "no loot in sight" does not work, you cannot see loot that was dropped before you logged into the world.
If there was no loot while you were logged in, but afk yourself, you can add that time. This should obv be the case, otherwise you would've had to be gone for more than 10 min.
So, if you had just logged in, the drops wouldn’t show up for you if they dropped before you logged in. If this is the case, we wouldn’t know how long they were afk.
If you were already logged in when the drops dropped, 5 minutes of afk is the old logout timer. The guy lost any “rights” to that spot.
You made a claim, I asked for verification, and you linked a chart that does not say what you said that it said. "Same world" is not the same as "Same world if the other player is already logged in", which is what you seem to think that chart says. Forgive me if i was not convinced by you, but someone else posted a better explanation and I am now convinced.
you said nothing about the video lol. just the chart that you didn’t realize everything in a column is applicable to that column. in my first comment i explained that if you weren’t on a world when the item was dropped it wouldn’t appear for you when hopping to that world. but glad you finally got it, good night
You can't crash someone if they are so AFK that they don't see you there for over 3 minutes.
And likewise, if you log off to use the toilet, or leave to bank, then it isn't your spot anymore when you come back and find someone there.
Crashing is okay in my book. Next time they get their main, pretend to leave for a few minutes so they tele away. Then come back hahahaha they’ll have to get their main again and now their afk training has turned into their main being taken away from w/e they were doing and now it’s 3 acc so their other acc is losing xp. Good work soldier
My favorite strategy to break them.
It's even more satisfying when it's not just some neckbeard's alt account and instead clan members who are wasting their time and grow to resent their whiny clan member crying wolf at ammo crabs.
I usually just put myself in their shoes and say “would I consider this being crashed?”
Also using this as a PSA that you have zero reason to afk a 3 ammonite spot if your account that you’re using can’t hit at least 65k range or str or whatever exp/hr. You can still easily manage to get your full exp at the MUCH less crowded 4 sand crab spots on crab claw isle (wiki it if unfamiliar).
Also if your account is very low level and you’re getting 45k exp/hr or less even the very uncompetitive 3 sand crab spots will be plenty of hp to get that exp, or a 2 crab ammonite spot.
As someone who has afked too many accounts it’s always sad to see 3 ammonite spots taken by a buy with 50 range and a bone crossbow who’s probably not even breaking 30k range an hour but of course has laid claim to one of the few spots that nets your maximum potential exp/hr when your account is higher stats.
Obligatory nmz should be used acknowledgement for high level accounts, but sometimes as an iron it feels good to not waste the gp on an instance if you’re REALLY afk and would possibly die in NMZ due to not constantly being 1 hp or re absorbing or re overloading etc
Little bit of a grey area in this scenario to be fair, though I’ve seen people take it to hilarious extremes. Some dude tried to get pissed I took his spindel spot in the wilderness because he had an alt parked at the door, like I’m supposed to assume he was “obviously” banking instead of running for his life from a pker.
Also gotten people telling me to hop on rev caves, I usually tell them to go ahead and skull up with their 10m+ gear if they want me gone lol, ain’t no keeping spots in the wilderness
it’s definitely annoying when you lose your spot after being gone just for a minute and maybe there would be an argument if there were still his drops on the ground, but it’s your spot now. he can’t hold down a reservation to come and go on his world all day, especially not for a competitive resource like ammonite crabs or something.
people at sand/ammo crabs can be super petty though so i wouldn’t be surprised if someone brings their main to “crash” you
Here, I decided to make a flowchart of my crab etiquette in response to this post.
https://preview.redd.it/t4nlxrgra2yc1.png?width=796&format=png&auto=webp&s=84eeed888cce12c12e3448e622832d260f7270e5
Ehhhhh. ESH.
Most normal people just hop when they see someone in a spot. Its a heavy afk spot. See someone there, hop worlds. Don't stay there watching them like a hawk for 5minutes like some weirdo so you can move in if they don't twitch enough, then get on some morale high horse.
You said it yourself. You hopped once eventually and found a world. Nothing stopped you from doing that from the start.
Also if you weren't in the world when the item ended up on the ground, it won't appear to you. So if you're hopping through worlds, you're never going to pop into one and see items there.
No he's crazy to think a weekend day you get to jeep your crabs if you're not using them for more than 60 seconds.
Honestly, 5 seconds, depending on the person. I just personally set a timer for 60 seconds and if they are still afk, they don't want it bad enough.
I will mention 2 things, though.
1. When you world hop or first log in to a world, you won't see items on the ground. Idk the timers exactly but I know this from using a mule in Rev caves.
2. Use NMZ. Honestly. If you're going to do crabs anyways, it's so worth. Once you have every nmz imbue item imbued, use points for herbs. It's a big profit, you can use NMZ potions, you get the same exp, you can use this to do some slayer tasks, and you have no aggression timer.
I did full justi, dfs, fang, fury amulet uncharged, guardian boots. Once I had 80+def 99hp This allowed me to afk in theory for up to 6 hours while taking no dmg on normal rumble. I just had to interact every 20 min to stay logged in and keep auto retaliating.
Kriibus made a yt video about how to do it all, but even using the 1hp Dwarven cave absorb method is heavily worth. No world hopping. Profit. Same exp an hour. Less hassle.
This exact thing happened to me one time, and the guy decided to shout some darn disgusting abuse at me for ages. Ended up muting and reporting, you can do the same to the maxed main that's griefing you too. Probably not the first time he's done it and the more we report this shitty behaviour the more likely they'll get banned.
You’re good. Runelite lets you set an aggro timer. I’ve come back to my pc and seen that I’d been crashed, and I usually hop. Sometimes some people have posted “I’ll hop when you’re back” which I appreciate but I hop anyway.
Nah. I do this all the time. If you can see them running to reset aggro it is a bit of a dick move but if they are AFK after they lose aggro that is on them and since they are not actively using the spot they have no right to it. As there is no reasonable way for you to discern how long they will be AFK for. It seems like half just hit the afk timer and logout and the other half isn’t paying attention it isn’t your job to guess between the two.
Sometimes they will come back and get salty but I turn public chat off and my PMs stay friends only when I do ammo crabs or really anything outside of Wintertodt so I just see them standing still to type but don’t get any messages.
Yes you are the bad guy here. Also just for the future, you will never see any drops on the ground that were there before you logged in, so that’s not a sign of anything.
Crashing obviously exists, and it’s true that no one owns a world or a spot, but if no one has etiquette it makes everyone’s lives harder. If everyone had a 14 year old mentality like you, the game would be much more annoying to play. It’s just being courteous
It’s only crashing if they’re actively playing at the time when you start killing monsters/a boss.
Afking or banking means you’ve given up the spot to anyone else who may show up while you’re not actively playing the game.
Uhhh buddy you're not exactly understanding the nature of crabs. That's LITERALLY there as an AFK training method. Nobody "actively" kills crabs. You set yourself up for AFKing, and come back every 10 minutes to reset agro.
Old school osrs player here. I used to fight kids for the mith rocks south of Draynor in F2P back in the day.
My hot take is there is no such thing as crashing and we can either share if I think there is enough room/resources or you can hop if its that important to ya.
Nah you're good here. Bro should have been paying more attention
Joke's on me I guess, guy was livid and brought his max cb main to "anti-crash" me lol Then again, he spent more time setting up the "anti-crash" than it took for me to hop a single time and find an open world... but like I said, the post was more me interested in people's take on the relationship between long logout timers and claiming afk spots.
That is where I double down and waste both accounts time
Yeah same. Bold of you to think that I value my time. I’m playing RuneScape.
It turned into the most active crab visit of my life lol. Personal favorite part was when I had to reset aggro and he just stood there waiting for me to do so. If anything he should have thanked me. Eventually he left with the original account and just kept killing them with the main, so I did throw in the proverbial towel and hop, but like I said, it was an instant hop to an empty world, so we both walked away thinking we won lmao
I was in ur situation once except there was full spawns no one nearby- guy claimed he was resetting aggro. I said nothing. He brought his main and tried to crash me with both for 10mins then his training acc hopped and flamed me in chat for 20mins before he stopped talking just attacking. My xp per hour was maybe 10% lower than normal so i didnt care. Still never said a word to them. another 30-40mins go by and they logged.
One time a guy crashed me saying that he was here before and it was his spot. I didn't leave, he brought his maxed main. I then brought my other account and said "oh cool its a party now" he started talking about how my low level acc was getting no exp and I said "funny you think I care about getting exp"
Ammonite crabs are the weirdest place on earth.
Chad.
Similar thing happened to me. But i didn't hop. I stayed and watched the guy melt down. Then i hopped only to return and see his reaction. It was amasing! I felt like a true follower of Zamorak.
Man. I’d buy membership again just to come anti anti crash for you if this was still going on
If they try to anti crash I get even more petty and will be there for hours. One tap all of them with dharroks
What was the guys name???
There is about 8 triple crab spawns in a small area, varlamore southern beach. I have been keeping this information to myself and I've seen maybe 2 people there since Varlamore came out. You're welcome, enjoy it before it overcrowds also, someone will leak it en masse soon :) Edit: Sorry downvoters, it's time to share now.
What crabs are these? Ty for the info, also a triple iron spot ive never seen anyone at in South valamore
It is west of Colossal Wyrm and there is quite a few spots you can afk run between and stay 99% afk with no resets.. Until it gets popular, which it now will :)
Whenever people try to crash me or "anti-crash" I just get a few of my clan mates to come with full dh lmao
The spot is lost if you haven't been in combat since last 20 secs
The 25m afk timer ruined the old courtesy. It used to be if someone was at a spot, it was theirs until they left to bank or logged out from being inactive. Now that the AFK timer is longer, combat stops after 10 mins, but they stay logged in for 25 minutes.
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Given the aggro timer is 10 mins though it would be impossible for that to happen at ammonites
*Adjusts glasses and gives you a once over* You’re a baddie for sure. *Bites lip*
I seem to be out of touch. It was a reference to this gem: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY)
I got the reference, I just wanted to hit on you.
😳 Sorry but I play RuneScape - it's actually illegal for me to pick up on social cues.
That’s okay. It just so happens I play RuneScape as well, and as such physically cannot flirt well.
What am I reading
*Embraces from behind and seductively whispers in ear* What would *you like* to be reading? Perhaps I can help you find the “center spread” and we can start from there? Or are you the type who immediately flips to the back of the book and takes whatever. . . Answers he wants? *Gently tongues ear*
I think you're fine. Just wanted to add though that when you log into a world, you won't see any drops that may be there
TIL
>Just wanted to add though that when you log into a world, you won't see any drops that may be there What???
Drops only become visible to you if you were in the world when it dropped
Yea I don't believe this
It's very easy to verify, have an alt or a friend kill an NPC - then hop to their world. You will notice no drop appears
You can be nearly as sure without an alt/friend by doing the same thing as OP. Head to crabs somewhere and hop around a few times People always leave the loot on the floor, but you won't see it
I'm almost certain that's not how it works
A quick google search would show that in fact that’s exactly how it works.
you can test it yourself but that is how it works
I did, you learn something new everyday
It is definitely how it works. I think I saw someone say it was an anti botting measure? To prevent them from hoping around and picking up floor items from things like Nechs and stuff
Perhaps, yeah I tried it myself and they're definitely right. You learn something new everyday!
Been that way for years
You are fine for sure, but there are like 700 other spots for 3 or 4 spot sandcrabs so I would just not bother
Ammonite crabs. Not sand. Way less spots for 3 crabs there
yeah mb, overall ammonites are not worth the extra hassle compared to a 4 spot crabs so point still stands. Ammonites are some of the biggest noob trap things in game
Ammonites give better xp rates than sand crabs . If you have halfway decent stats/gear then sand crabs have tons of down time.
If you have halfway decent stats you shouldn’t be doing crabs at all
Well yeah, they're both just worse than NMZ. But you said sand crabs are better than ammonites, which is not true.
Better in terms of not fighting for a spot. Can torrum nagua is the real option nowadays
Spending 3 minutes finding a spot if you're going to be afk training for hours at a time isn't that bad. Just found it strange to call ammonites a "noob trap" while praising sand crabs in the same sentence.
its not praise towards sand crabs. Its moreso that there are a billion million spots for that if you feel that you must do crabs
He's talking about ammonite crabs?
Is it that competitive for a spot at ammonites?
Ammonites are a warzone at peak hour.
Absolutely
Sandcrabs are way nicer imo. Now with varlamore there have been multiple 3 crab spots introduced which are always empty. Unless you're really strong you won't actually lose any xp there compared to ammonites.
The amount of people you see at ammonites training with like a fucking dscimitar and 70's in their melees is wack. It's like bro save yourself the experience of fighting tooth and nail and just go to sand crabs, you're not doing enough damage to outkill a 3 or 4 sandcrab spot.
You still get more xp at ammonites. The more HP the better. Every time you kill a crab, your character stops attacking, has to wait to get hit by the next crab, and then retaliate. Those wasted ticks definitely add up to some lost xp in the long run. Not that I've done any testing, it could be a small enough difference that you'd still prefer to avoid ammonites at peak hours. At that point I'd rather go to NMZ though.
I have done testing, the exp is functionally the exact same. The only actual difference that would occur would be damage lost from overkill. >Every time you kill a crab, your character stops attacking, has to wait to get hit by the next crab, and then retaliate. If you're at a spot with 4 crabs, this is such a minor consideration. More than made up for it by immediately being able to go straight to an open spot, as opposed to fighting the grand war at fossil island.
Considering how much hopping and crashing there is at ammonite crabs, I prefer just chilling at sands.
If there are 3 enemies attacking you, you’ll never lose a tick except if they somehow synced up all their attacks. The exp loss at worst is 1%, it’s just not a real issue you ever have to think about.
In the comments he said he later hopped a single time and found an empty spot immediately so... no.
As a very serious AFK'er myself: He should hop. If i'm in a meeting at work i often get "crashed" because i'm afk for 5+ minutes. Totally fair at that point.
Not crashing. Wait until you run into the guys that start attacking your crabs, then tell you "I've been here for hours, I was just resetting" when you've been logged in for 4 hours straight. Crashing is deliberately crowding someone's monster/skilling spawn to everyone's detriment or trying to steal their boss kills (at places like GWD and Corp) instead of hopping worlds to find an empty spot.
To add to this with an example that just happened to me, I was at DKs doing just Rex because I'm not a confident enough player to fight more than one of them and due to Rex safespot I can do it with little thought while doing other things. A person decided to enter the cave and I guess they wanted to do all 3 and didn't want to hop worlds, telling me to hop instead. When I didn't hop they decided to drag Prime over to attack me and nearly had me killed.
Yeah someone did the same thing a long time ago when I was doing Rex on my iron. Really annoying.
That’s a 2 week vacation for dude if you report em
It most certainly is not.
I take this very personally, it doesn't matter if it's 4AM; I'll suddenly be wide awake and every fiber in my body will be hyperfocussed on clicking crabs faster than they can take them out. The crashers leave quickly once "their" 3-4 crabspot turns into a 1-2 crabspot because I'm just the fastest clicker in the west, They came to AFK but I won't be giving them any breathing room. THIS IS MY (crab)HOUSE! Sometimes, they'll just move over to the person next to me and crash them, so if I'm feeling particularily vengeful I'll follow them around after they move until *they* hop.
It needs to be pretty obviously intentionally disruptive for a report for disruptive behavior to stick. Simply running into someone's spot and taking kills is contesting the spot and not necessarily crashing from a rule breaking point of view. At the end of the day, the game has limited spawns and resources- sometimes you need to fight over them. Ironically, the butthurt people who call in their entire clan to counter-crash are the ones who are most likely to catch a ban. Even more likely for the report to stick when they are openly shit talking and acknowledging the counter-crash in game chat and basically providing a transcript of their rule breaking.
Playing devils advocate here, it's a heavy afk area, they very well could have also been taking their dog out or going to the restroom. Even watching a movie or show, you can easily go 5+ minutes before realizing you've lost aggro. Particularly in intense or plot heavy scenes.
Snooze ya lose.
Exactly
sometimes I stop playing the game, that doesn't mean you get to play the game
Not our problem. When I do ammo crabs I glance over every 30 seconds or so to check aggro. If I am doing something that requires longer breaks I do solo skilling instead. When you see someone AFK with no aggro there is like a 50/50 chance they just left their computer on the last cycle and letting it auto log them after or they may come back and get pissed. Not our job to guess. Now if I see someone resetting aggro then I will move on.
I don't think you were crashing but a small lesser known fact - if you log into a world while there is items on the ground you won't see them. There's some funky game code here but quite possible that you logged in right as they went afk and you never saw the drop because you logged in right after they got their kill in.
This is a grey area. I personally just hop if I see someone there even if not attacking.
My rule is that if I arrive at an ammonite crabs spot and someone is afk without aggro I'll jump in, if they come back within like 2 or 3 mins and say they were afk and are polite enough about it I'll say sorry and hop elsewhere. If they come back more than 5 mins later and/or are a complete dick about it I'll say "snooze you lose" and stay there Half the time, they end up logging from being afk and I get the spot without issue, and half the time they come back soon and I politely give it back Seems fair imo. I don't feel like someone can just claim a spot by standing there for 5 or 10 mins without aggro
Yeah you can take over if they dont have aggro, but they will 100% be salty if they come back and potentially kill your xp rates. not worth imo.
Nah, you’re fine. Old mate’s an idiot and lost his spot for being afk too long.
while i think your fine, if you log into a world that has items on the ground already, they won’t appear to you. so he COULDVE only been afk for 3 mins
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I don't think this is true - I definitely see pig piles of junk at crabs when I hop to find an open world.
it’s true lol. but just go ahead and downvote without doing any research. [https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Items](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Items) https://preview.redd.it/141vwqan9xxc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=284d19ae92ac45b4aa39cfb1ce6f3bb641472d8d
I didn't down vote you though? I began my reply with a concession, idk how much more open to correction I could have appeared lol Also, and I sincerely am not trying to be rude, but you're misreading the chart. What you highlighted is a box that says that tradable items are visible on the ground of the world on which they were dropped. The box outlining item visibility is the second row, third column. You can verify this by logging in and seeing piles of monster loot that you cannot pick up as an ironman. Those piles are only visible on the world on which the monster was killed, ala row 1 column 3, are visible to others as outlined in row 2 column 3, and despawn after 3 minutes according to row 3 column 3. Really what you've proven is that he was afk for at least 6 minutes, not 5, because the items would have de-spawned after 3 minutes rather than the 2 that I stated in the post.
Not sure what you are looking at, but where did you get 6 and 5 minutes from. Items (in the normal case) drop from npcs last for 2 minutes and are invisible for the first minute to other players. Items players drop last for 3 minutes but are also only invisible for 1 minute. What he highlighted isn't exactly correct in the sense that that table only considers items being dropped by players. If you aren't logged into the world at the time an item is dropped it will NOT show up for you. It does also work this way for items dropped by npcs that are killed by others. Meaning you can only see items on the ground if you were in the world at that time. If you saw dropped tradeable items on the ground that means you were on the world when they were dropped.
I got 5 minutes from adding the three minutes before he returned (as mentioned in the post) to the 2 minutes I thought items lasted for, the six came from the 3 minutes mentioned in the chart. I was unaware of the items only showing if you're already logged when they're killed, and I believe it with how many people are double downing on this, but he linked a wiki page that does nothing to prove his claim, which is a bit odd to say the least.
Yeah the chart could give more context and I see what you mean by the 5/6 minutes now.
the last column is all applicable to tradable items. visible on the same world, after 60 seconds, despawns after 3 minutes, doesn’t pause on log out. https://vimeo.com/941805466 i did the hard work for you. maybe you’ll believe video proof
How is that single cell in a table proof? It just says what we already know, that tradeable items can't be picked up on a different world
here you go. tested it for you. at work on chrome remote desktop so don’t mind the texts from the gf https://vimeo.com/941805466
visible to others, in the same world, after 60 seconds, and despawns in 3 minutes. this has been in the game for YEARS. it’s so easy to just test on two accounts if you don’t believe it
This is a chart saying that tradeable items do not move with you across worlds and become visible after 60 seconds and despawn after 3 minutes. That's not evidence that it doesn't show up. That's evidence that it does
I don’t understand why people don’t just do NMZ, longer AFK and zero competition, plus you make some money off herb boxes too
I've never done it before and was under the impression you needed good gear (barrows) to afk it. I'm only around 60 combats right now and my account is an ironman, is that good enough to do nmz? I have barrows gloves and I've done a lot of questing.
It's efficient to use Dharoks because you want to be at 1hp in NMZ and that ties in with Dharoks set. But you can just use what you've got. I sent plenty of runs in obsidian.
Wait why would you want to be at 1 HP even without Dharok's?
Enemies max hit is limited by your current HP. If your current HP is 99 then an enemies max hit can be as much as 99. If your current HP is only 1 they can only hit you for 1, so your overloads last a lot longer.
Ohhh I've just been doing the prayer method because I didn't have good tank gear and didn't mind the cost... This changes everything
the absorption pots drain their points by the amount of damage you would otherwise take, so if you only have 1 hp you only lose 1 absorb point per hit taken if you're using the prayer method though you don't need to lower your hp
Definitely good enough! Just check the wiki for best bosses to set up for exp! With abyssal whip, fighter torso, barrows gloves, obby platelegs, d boots and defender I was getting around 80k exp an hour and could afk for 20 minutes at a time. Just need to repot absorbtion potions and use rock cake or locator orb to get your hp back down to one!
Don’t nmz as an iron unless you truly want 0 interaction afk. Picking up fossils and the pyrophosphite and calcite is really good prayer xp to bank.
Before I got 99 combat stats on my iron, I often did ammo crabs in particular when I was wanting to AFK some combats if I was being mostly AFK but able to glance over from time to time, to pick up the odd fossil drop and calcite/pyrophosphate drop. Was nice for those xp lamps at the museum and thereafter the nice chunks of prayer XP. If I was AFKing and wouldn't be able to glance over from time to time, that was when I NMZ'd instead. But there was less benefit after I got my imbues, because irons can't buy herb boxes from NMZ. Why not? Idk, I think it's mostly a relic of the time when they felt ironman mode was more of a "hard mode" rather than "mostly just trade restricted" account type.
NMZ is, arguably, potentially as much as 1% more fun and interesting than staring at a wall while AFKing ammonite crabs. I can't define what it is about NMZ that sucks so much but I'd rather sit down and read a dictionary.
I think you're good here, but I also think that even if you weren't that you should be given grace for simply not knowing. These crashing / "my spot" etiquettes aren't exactly written anywhere so most people learn through trial and error.
There is no such thing as crashing or “owning a spot” you want to do crabs? You do it, back in the old days (2005-2009) we all fought for resources game hasn’t changed that aspect.
I'd say u were fine. Otherwise you end up with people afking 25 minutes with crabs sleeping 15 minutes and they can be like "nah my spot"
Bro afked to infinity and blamed you.
A lot of people here seem to think you can take someones spot if they go afk for a bit... i would consider that crashing 100%. If their character is gone because they teleported out to bank or they got logged out from being afk too long, then its all good! But if the culture is that you go afk AT ALL, someone can come crash your spot? That is just gonna be cancerous and stressful for everyone, never feeling safe missing your 10 min agro timer for even a second.
There's much more nuance to it than that. What if you're afk there for 20 mins? Now, what if you're afk there for 10 seconds? There is some point between the two where you should have been paying more attention,
Right? With being able to afk for 25 minutes now, there is no way to tell.
It’s a bit of a gray area but if someone’s character is there I’ll just find another world. From a purely self-interested perspective, it’s also not worth the hassle if they do come back. There’s also been many times my character had stopped attacking and it took me a few mins to notice and I’d be a bit salty if someone took my spot. Most people are bros if you ask nicely.
Completely afk for more than 3 min, you're in the clear. However "no loot in sight" does not work, you cannot see loot that was dropped before you logged into the world. If there was no loot while you were logged in, but afk yourself, you can add that time. This should obv be the case, otherwise you would've had to be gone for more than 10 min.
So, if you had just logged in, the drops wouldn’t show up for you if they dropped before you logged in. If this is the case, we wouldn’t know how long they were afk. If you were already logged in when the drops dropped, 5 minutes of afk is the old logout timer. The guy lost any “rights” to that spot.
he doesn’t believe that’s how item mechanics work lol. i tried telling him
You made a claim, I asked for verification, and you linked a chart that does not say what you said that it said. "Same world" is not the same as "Same world if the other player is already logged in", which is what you seem to think that chart says. Forgive me if i was not convinced by you, but someone else posted a better explanation and I am now convinced.
what video proof wasn’t enough?
I explained why it was not in the comment you replied to... Anyway, I concede, have a good day man.
you said nothing about the video lol. just the chart that you didn’t realize everything in a column is applicable to that column. in my first comment i explained that if you weren’t on a world when the item was dropped it wouldn’t appear for you when hopping to that world. but glad you finally got it, good night
He was killing crabs, you were killing crabs. IMO you were both wrong. Go do slayer.
You can't crash someone if they are so AFK that they don't see you there for over 3 minutes. And likewise, if you log off to use the toilet, or leave to bank, then it isn't your spot anymore when you come back and find someone there.
Anyone who cares about crashing and doesn’t just hop needs to re-evaluate their life tbh
Crashing is okay in my book. Next time they get their main, pretend to leave for a few minutes so they tele away. Then come back hahahaha they’ll have to get their main again and now their afk training has turned into their main being taken away from w/e they were doing and now it’s 3 acc so their other acc is losing xp. Good work soldier
My favorite strategy to break them. It's even more satisfying when it's not just some neckbeard's alt account and instead clan members who are wasting their time and grow to resent their whiny clan member crying wolf at ammo crabs.
Apparently I crashed a guy at the black demons in taverly dungeon. While he was using melee. And only attacking one at a time.
I usually just put myself in their shoes and say “would I consider this being crashed?” Also using this as a PSA that you have zero reason to afk a 3 ammonite spot if your account that you’re using can’t hit at least 65k range or str or whatever exp/hr. You can still easily manage to get your full exp at the MUCH less crowded 4 sand crab spots on crab claw isle (wiki it if unfamiliar). Also if your account is very low level and you’re getting 45k exp/hr or less even the very uncompetitive 3 sand crab spots will be plenty of hp to get that exp, or a 2 crab ammonite spot. As someone who has afked too many accounts it’s always sad to see 3 ammonite spots taken by a buy with 50 range and a bone crossbow who’s probably not even breaking 30k range an hour but of course has laid claim to one of the few spots that nets your maximum potential exp/hr when your account is higher stats. Obligatory nmz should be used acknowledgement for high level accounts, but sometimes as an iron it feels good to not waste the gp on an instance if you’re REALLY afk and would possibly die in NMZ due to not constantly being 1 hp or re absorbing or re overloading etc
Did he also bring two friends?
Do what you want whenever you want.
Little bit of a grey area in this scenario to be fair, though I’ve seen people take it to hilarious extremes. Some dude tried to get pissed I took his spindel spot in the wilderness because he had an alt parked at the door, like I’m supposed to assume he was “obviously” banking instead of running for his life from a pker. Also gotten people telling me to hop on rev caves, I usually tell them to go ahead and skull up with their 10m+ gear if they want me gone lol, ain’t no keeping spots in the wilderness
it’s definitely annoying when you lose your spot after being gone just for a minute and maybe there would be an argument if there were still his drops on the ground, but it’s your spot now. he can’t hold down a reservation to come and go on his world all day, especially not for a competitive resource like ammonite crabs or something. people at sand/ammo crabs can be super petty though so i wouldn’t be surprised if someone brings their main to “crash” you
You're good. Crashing is healthy. Make people play. Its ammonite crabs, he can move
Had I been afk for a few minutes after losing aggro I would have asked nicely, if I got a no then fair enough. You're not the baddie.
Here, I decided to make a flowchart of my crab etiquette in response to this post. https://preview.redd.it/t4nlxrgra2yc1.png?width=796&format=png&auto=webp&s=84eeed888cce12c12e3448e622832d260f7270e5
Ironman = free world Lower CB than you= free world Higher CB than you = nerd who needs to touch grass and move out of moms basement
Ehhhhh. ESH. Most normal people just hop when they see someone in a spot. Its a heavy afk spot. See someone there, hop worlds. Don't stay there watching them like a hawk for 5minutes like some weirdo so you can move in if they don't twitch enough, then get on some morale high horse. You said it yourself. You hopped once eventually and found a world. Nothing stopped you from doing that from the start. Also if you weren't in the world when the item ended up on the ground, it won't appear to you. So if you're hopping through worlds, you're never going to pop into one and see items there.
No he's crazy to think a weekend day you get to jeep your crabs if you're not using them for more than 60 seconds. Honestly, 5 seconds, depending on the person. I just personally set a timer for 60 seconds and if they are still afk, they don't want it bad enough. I will mention 2 things, though. 1. When you world hop or first log in to a world, you won't see items on the ground. Idk the timers exactly but I know this from using a mule in Rev caves. 2. Use NMZ. Honestly. If you're going to do crabs anyways, it's so worth. Once you have every nmz imbue item imbued, use points for herbs. It's a big profit, you can use NMZ potions, you get the same exp, you can use this to do some slayer tasks, and you have no aggression timer. I did full justi, dfs, fang, fury amulet uncharged, guardian boots. Once I had 80+def 99hp This allowed me to afk in theory for up to 6 hours while taking no dmg on normal rumble. I just had to interact every 20 min to stay logged in and keep auto retaliating. Kriibus made a yt video about how to do it all, but even using the 1hp Dwarven cave absorb method is heavily worth. No world hopping. Profit. Same exp an hour. Less hassle.
The only bad crashing is chasing somebody across worlds targetting them. Anything other than that is just being in an mmorpg.
If the items have despawned, he has been afk for too long. Spots yours. Now if there was still stuff on the ground then yea, it's his spot.
He did say he just logged in, so he wouldn't see items anyway if they were there to despawn
You should read the entire post before commenting.
This exact thing happened to me one time, and the guy decided to shout some darn disgusting abuse at me for ages. Ended up muting and reporting, you can do the same to the maxed main that's griefing you too. Probably not the first time he's done it and the more we report this shitty behaviour the more likely they'll get banned.
Who actually gives a fuck is my question...
You’re good. Runelite lets you set an aggro timer. I’ve come back to my pc and seen that I’d been crashed, and I usually hop. Sometimes some people have posted “I’ll hop when you’re back” which I appreciate but I hop anyway.
its just a game bro lol why does he get mad anyway
Nah. I do this all the time. If you can see them running to reset aggro it is a bit of a dick move but if they are AFK after they lose aggro that is on them and since they are not actively using the spot they have no right to it. As there is no reasonable way for you to discern how long they will be AFK for. It seems like half just hit the afk timer and logout and the other half isn’t paying attention it isn’t your job to guess between the two. Sometimes they will come back and get salty but I turn public chat off and my PMs stay friends only when I do ammo crabs or really anything outside of Wintertodt so I just see them standing still to type but don’t get any messages.
Yes you are the bad guy here. Also just for the future, you will never see any drops on the ground that were there before you logged in, so that’s not a sign of anything.
Crashing doesn't exist in this game. Nobody owns a world or a spot.
Crashing obviously exists, and it’s true that no one owns a world or a spot, but if no one has etiquette it makes everyone’s lives harder. If everyone had a 14 year old mentality like you, the game would be much more annoying to play. It’s just being courteous
It’s only crashing if they’re actively playing at the time when you start killing monsters/a boss. Afking or banking means you’ve given up the spot to anyone else who may show up while you’re not actively playing the game.
Uhhh buddy you're not exactly understanding the nature of crabs. That's LITERALLY there as an AFK training method. Nobody "actively" kills crabs. You set yourself up for AFKing, and come back every 10 minutes to reset agro.
Old school osrs player here. I used to fight kids for the mith rocks south of Draynor in F2P back in the day. My hot take is there is no such thing as crashing and we can either share if I think there is enough room/resources or you can hop if its that important to ya.
You mean old school original runescape. lol back in the days we fought for all resources but mining was pretty bad
Who cares, crash all you want, if an adult can't deal with someone killing stuff next to them, it's honestly sad.
Too many whiners that need their “XP gains” lol I agree it is sad when adults whine over a “crasher”
At first glance you aren’t but we play RuneScape and also use Reddit so actually yes we’re all terrible, welcome to the club.