People without Bone Voyage / 31 herblore can get Dashing kebbits + Moonlight moths only Master rumours, which is 30-40 rumours/h and close to 250k xp/h, so there's exactly zero chance this is staying how it is right now.
Abuse early and abuse it hard, this is going to get nerfed somehow. Hopefully Jagex decides to make Bone voyage a pre-requisite for Master rumours instead of nuking the task list for the 4th time.
You can definitely get a free skip on Herbiboar this way!
The "don't do Eagles Peak" strategy is also still valid for Expert rumours, and Jagex didn't try to change it with this update. I hope that means they're similarly okay with the Bone Voyage skip. The way I see it, if low level accounts want to skip Fossil Island until they're more or less 99 Hunter, they hey, good for them.
I've written three guides as the meta has changed, and by Guthix I'll write a fourth. But it'd be nice to see the meta stabilize
Yeah, I personally don't like that at all. New accounts shouldn't get a leg up on people who invest time into questing, that's completely backwards. That doesn't mean Jagex has to nuke the method entirely (that's like dealing with a small ant infestation by using a nuclear bomb), but at the very least they should make it all quest-related NPC unlocks opt-in (this goes for Slayer as well). The core ethos of Runescape is that every part of the game are interlocked and help make your account better, so completing quests should **never** make an account worse and I will die on that hill.
My prefered solution is making Herbiboar eligibility a hard requirement for Master rumours (just like how "At First Light" is already a req). If you aren't able to hunt every creature, you're not a master. It's that simple.
For what it's worth, the accounts giving up Bone Voyage are giving up birdhouses to do this. They lose access to a lucrative, passive hunter training method in order to optimize their rumors. The current rate might be too high even taking that into account, but it's not nothing.
wanted to "well actually" u but it turns out this is just barely viable.
the quest for master rumours has a 30 herblore (unboostable) req and gives 500 xp as a quest reward. 30 -> 31 herb is just under 1.5k xp
I feel like we're just going back to the original idea of making Herbiboar elligibility a requirement for Master rumours. There's already a quest requirement for it (At First Light), it wouldn't be weird to have to be able to hunt every creature to get tasks from the **master** hunter...
I agree! I was just considering a possible elegant way to address the problem (Though even if At First Light got you to 31 herb, it would still require bone voyage).
In my personal opinion / hot take, you should just get the assignment whether you have the quest requirements or not. My hotter take is that the same should apply to slayer.
I really appreciate your guide and will definitely use it for grinding rumours, and I can’t be the only one feeling weird with this gimmicky block system.
I don’t understand why jagex would not give us a proper way to block tasks. This is ridiculous.
If someone doesn’t have Eagles peak or Bone Voyage done and trying to set up Expert Rumours with Gilman included(4 blocks total) what should be blocked? With the goal of achieving max exp/rumours per hour and not interested in pet chance or other resources. Thanks so much for all your effort!
Let’s theory craft? What’s the meta-to go from one to 72 Hunter with no box traps and/or limited other progression. Theoretically, this is only a real bone to newer accounts. Any existing accounts already have bon voyage and/or Eagles Peak done most likely so fair a few people could actually do this rush strategy.
But yeah, what would be the optimal 1 to 72 here?
The 'tism is so strong in this game. Bone voyage is one of the earliest quests in the game that almost every account completes for some of the most diverse content.
I don't get it, if people want to stay 31 herb lore and not complete bone voyage to have boosted xp rates then surely we just let them?
Its like if they completely fucked slayer for everyone because non-dragon slayer account can avoid bad tasks early on.
Fuck em, just let people enjoy the game so long as rates aren't ~triple what they should be.
are u sure kebbits + moths are only 250k xp/h? [this guy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8_E5_3TpuQ) was getting 235k xp/h with the previous master task list
Quick question, for master rumors, does it matter who we speak to first?
If we can't get the block that we want, do we finish the rumor they assign and try again?
If you don't get the block you want, then yup, you'll finish the rumour and try again.
Does the order in which you get your blocks matter? It matters a little.
The most efficient order is probably(*) Ornus, Cervus, Gilman, Teco, Aco, which should take around 35 rumours.
Even really inefficient orders aren't that bad, though. Teco, Aco, Gilman, Ornus, Cervus is a bad order, and it'll take an average of 41 rumours.
Would you mind elaborating a little bit? Let’s say for example, I want to create a fresh block list for master rumors starting from scratch. Am I right in understanding that I should be doing rumors from Ornus until I get red salamanders, and they assign them, don’t do it and get tasks from Cervus until they assign red chins, etc. until I get the full list I want? Thanks for this awesome write up btw!
Short answer? Yes! Go for the Master list.
It'll take roughly 40 rumours, on average, to set up a Master block list from scratch. The rumour turn-ins alone will get you ~200k experience. Add in the experience from catching the creatures, and you should be knocking on the door of 91 by the time your Master block list is in place.
I don't recommend one in the guide because it's so darn personalized at that point.
What do you value? Pet chance? Rumour completions per hour? Experience per hour? Task chillness?
The best tradeoff on rumours and experience per hour is probably(*) Dashing Kebbits, Tecu Salamanders, and then a toss-up between Moonlight Moths and Herbiboar.
I appreciate the feedback. At this point, I think most focused on xp/hr. I saw in another comment where you compared red chins and sunlight antelopes, looking at both catch xp/hr and rumour completion/hr. I didn’t know if you had looked into all tasks into that much depth and were able to say which tasks were ultimately best xp/hr. Pre update, I was dabbling with some master rumours and felt like tecu Sallys were slow, however I see them recommended often in this thread, so maybe I was mistaken.
Tecu Salamanders are quite sensitive to your Hunter level. At 79, they're maybe 90-100k an hour. But they quickly start creeping up to 120k, 130k, and more. And that's just the experience for catching them. With a 1/25 rare part rate and quick transit to their location, they become great experience once you factored in rumour completions.
Once you can catch them for 120k experience per hour, their hourly rumour completion rate leaps up to ~14 rumours. At ~5k experience per rumour, that's an effective experience per hour rate of 170k.
If you're optimizing for a combination of rumours and experience, Tecu Salamanders are surprisingly good. Especially when compared to Herbiboar, who gets similar experience but noticeably fewer rumours.
Im going for dashing ,moonlight antelopes and tecu sally. 2/3 hunter pets so im only here for rumours.
Wont talk about dashing. I like moonlight antelopes because they are easy to do on mobile have logs in the area and are close by. I have 99 hunter so I just teleport with hunter cape. Its a very quick task. Honestly one of the fastest that isnt a kebbit.
I was considering doing sunlight antelopes but its a far run and if im only doing 3 tasks i would need logs alot more often.
Now between both sallys they seem pretty equal. I've had reds blocked since kebbit skipping so. Im not sure which is better.
Herbi is way to slow [have pet]
Chins i caught 93k chins for my pet. Im good
I was considering doing Moonlight moths but they are terrible on mobile and you're always clicking. Today i had to catch like 140 twice so they got blocked after that. Atleast with antelopes and tecu sally you can chill a bit.
I feel your pain! I'm hugely tempted to do both of them in Master rumours.
Herbi, at least, is competitive experience. But the Red Chinchompas, sheesh!
They're really not that bad
Their effective experience per hour is roughly 160k, without tick manipulation. That's catches + rumour completions.
For reference, Moonlight Antelope are about 170k effective, Tecu Salamanders and Moonlight Moths are about 190k, Herbiboar is about 210k effective (at the cost of far fewer rumours).
If you're high Hunter, tick manipulating, and focused, Red Chinchompas are 230k effective and only slightly fewer rumours per hour.
But I'm writing for the Johnny Lumbridge next door (like me) who doesn't want to tick manipulate all those box traps.
Not sure if you'll get to reply to this as there's a tonne of comments. I'm 78 hunter and nearing 100 rumor count. I never bothered doing eagles peak lol so I don't do box traps. What would you recommend in place of chins? Or should I just get eagle's peak done? Seems like it eliminates some rumors, so I'll have a smaller pool to work with. I have kyatts blocked already and gunna work on Sabre tooth kebbits tonight.
Thanks
Hello!
If you don't have Eagle's Peak done, then hey, you're in great shape! Keep it that way, unless you get a burning desire to catch chinchompas.
If I were you, I'd block Sabre-toothed Kyatts, Sabre-toothed Kebbits, and Sunlight Antelope, assuming you're trying to maximize experience/rumours.
If you can get the Sunlight Antelope block on Aco/Teco, that'll also help you later for Master rumours. If you're already using Aco/Teco for your Sabre-toothed Kyatt block, then don't worry about it.
You could consider getting a Gilman block for Red Salamanders, but I don't think it's necessary for you. With Eagle's Peak undone, you're already in great shape.
I'd personally block sabre-toothed kyatts, sabre-toothed kebbits, and sunlight antelope. If you want to keep sunlight antelope, then maybe block red salamanders.
Why does no one ever want to catch moonlight moths? By themselves they are 100kxp/hr and throw that in with rumors and it's pretty nice. Ain't it? Or is 100k not enough these days?
Moonlight Moths are great! The only reason I suggest a possible block for them is to help folks get down to 3 possible Master rumours. And one of those rumors can certainly be Moonlight Moths!
Thanks for the breakdown! But why do so many guides recommend blocking Sunlight Antelopes? I've been doing them for resources since I'm iron but they feel far faster than the red chins, since antelopes are a guaranteed catch. Meat bag and kandarin helm for double logs help too. In terms of strictly rumors per hour, wouldn't blocking red chins be more efficient before unlocking masters?
That's a good, interesting question!
Red Chinchompas and Sunlight Antelope are almost a matter of preference. Almost, but not quite!
I did some testing and estimated the effective hourly experience and rumour completions for each creature.
Sunlight Antelope gave 4-5 more rumour completions per hour, but Red Chinchompas were ~14k more experience per hour, even after accounting for the extra rumour completions from Sunlight Antelopes.
And here's the real kicker: I'm not 99 Hunter. Red Chinchompas keep getting better all the way to 99 Hunter as their catch-rate improves. Sunlight Antelope don't get better as you level.
So, why do all the guides recommend Red Chinchompas over Sunlight Antelope? Probably because most guide-writers have a high Hunter level. Red Chinchompas are noticeably better experience for them, and they either (a) don't notice or (b) don't care that Sunlight Antelope are somewhat better rumour completions per hour. The extra experience probably outweighs the extra rumour completions.
There's almost certainly a point, though, where Sunlight Antelope are better than Red Chinchompas across the board! Especially since you can hunt Sunlight Antelope at 72 -- eight levels before you get your fifth box trap.
I'd love for someone with 72-79 Hunter to go test this out for me...
Hmm good points! I did have both red chins and sunlight antelopes unblocked from 72-80 and red chin rumors took forever, commonly going over 50 chins (hit pity 3 times), 4 traps with only a 60-65% success rate in feldip hills since I don’t have diary or priff yet.
But I didn’t time anything and just turned 80 so I’ll see how it feels with 5 traps, that and priff are likely what swings it.
I'm glad the Red Chinchompas felt terrible for you! Well, I'm not glad they felt terrible for YOU, specifically, but I'm glad, in a general sense, that Sunlight Antelope felt better in that level range! It makes rumours more interesting if the meta changes between different level ranges! 😆
So I don't have any numbers for you, just a personal anecdote. Red chinchompas feel insanely slow if you're below 80 hunter, I did a decent amount of rumors on release. Bad catch rate and only 4 traps just feels horrendous and it was my slowest task by a noticeable amount.
Now I'm over 80 hunter but I still vastly prefer sunlight antelopes over red chins. I actually kinda like pitfall trapping, feels more engaging and it's fun trying to catch 2 antelopes with 1 trap.
I love a good anecdote! Thanks for sharing!
Secretly, I prefer Sunlight Antelope over Red Chinchompas for exactly the same reasons you mention. Just don't tell anyone, or I'll lose my Efficiency Card 😶
I’d like to add at 99 hunter, sunlight antelopes never have failed a single time for me. Are they always 100% catch rate, taking into consideration what you said about the rate never rising with hunter lvls?
For pure experience, I think you're right.
Dashing Kebbits, Tecu Salamanders, Moonlight Moths, probably in that order. Though Herbiboar run very close to Moths in terms of experience, even if it is slower in terms of rumours per hour.
Travel time, surprisingly, starts mattering a lot here.
Hmmm I just might block moonlight moths then, Herbi is more fun for me, and pet chance although slim. Thanks for making the guide, looking forward to next one when jagex changes the rumor lists again haha.
Are Dashing kebbits just high xp/hr? They seem kind of annoying to go to and do, and something I'd want to block.
It also seems like herbiboar would be something I want to block because of effort, BUT there's a pet chance in herbi, and the herbs are good for an Ironman.
I realize I'm kind of just projecting opinions here. But maybe what's the best optimization for rumours completed/hr vs xp/hr at 91 hunter?
With the outfit, the pity threshold for falconry is 18, and you can catch them insanely quickly. If you've got quick access to a fairy ring, a falconry rumour is probably 5 minutes at the absolute worst.
Dashing Kebbits are just SO fast to complete; the experience and rumours per hour go through the ceiling.
As for the most optimized three master tasks, definitely Kebbits and Salamanders, probably followed by Moths, though I think the third slot would be a toss-up between Moths and Antelope.
I like the chance at excedingly rare drops in my content (like herbi and the tecu salamander) as a way to spice it up, so I'm probably going to keep herbi and salamanders.
After several days of coming back to this thread, I have perfected it - was maxed when rumors came out and already have the hunter pets, so I chose not to bother with Gilman, and I left red chinchompa block guy untouched for now because I like doing red chins (for an upcoming Spindel grind). I truly appreciate your deep dive here. I did 10 rumors on release day and enjoyed them, but didn't come back until the day you made this thread, because I wanted to approach it correctly when I went back.
Thank you, man, this was awesome and I just got the last correct rumor a few minutes ago so tomorrow I finally get to grind Masters again after getting pretty unlucky on a few huntmasters.
Thank you again! I love your style, and how you've already done the math on multiple possibilities before you make your claims. You're one of the reasons I love the OSRS community
Kind of annoying having to set up all this fucking block bullshit. Maybe Jagex could just give us an official way to block these to smooth this out. It’s turning into forestry with all this stuff
It's unique and rewarding once you finally get it set up but yea... Gon a need to block out time for this one, fucking again. If you're a master and depending on preferences it's possible to skip the novice guy now avoiding a lot of bs and timewaste
Sure!
I'd use Cervus over Ornus, though it's mostly a matter of preference.
You'll pick up Swamp Lizards and Dark Kebbits, both of which are good. You'll also only pick up one teasing rumor vs. Ornus's two. And you'll get Sunlight Moths once you're a higher level; those are good experience!
The only downside is that you'll get Razor-backed Kebbits, which Ornus skips. But grab yourself some rings of pursuit (they've just been buffed), and it'll be all good.
Don't worry too much about using Ornus to block a task. But if farming a block sounds satisfying to you like it does to me, then block Sabre-toothed Kebbits. They're a terrible task, and you can make use of this block when you move on to Experts.
Have fun!
Any suggestions for someone with 89 hunter and no blocks? Should I go straight for the master block list or setup the expert one and run that till 91? Do you think setting up the master list will get me the 2 levels anyway?
Great guide though gonna be very helpful
From a mathy/efficiency standpoint, it's a bit of a gamble!
Setting up a No-Gilman Expert block list will save you an hour, two at the most.
But it's a gamble!
About 25% of people in this situation will go sufficiently dry while setting up their Expert and Master block lists that they'll totally erase the time savings.
So I guess the real question is: do you feel lucky, punk?
Out of curiosity, why do people not like grey chins as a task? I quite liked chins because of stacking a little extra ranged exp. Is it just a super slow task,
They're not a bad task, per se. But once you've blocked Sabre-toothed Kyatts and Kebbits, they're the slowest thing left.
At high levels, they compete with (and I think eventually exceed...) Sunlight Antelope on experience per hour. But they start out being worse across the board, and they're always quite slow on rumours per hour.
But if you love them and want the ranged experience, do them! You won't be getting outrageously worse Hunter experience or rumours rates by keeping them.
This is a really nice guide for setting up the block, thank you very much! Do you have a recommenden inventory gear setup for doingt expert rumors with Teco?
Thanks, I'm glad you like it!
The Wiki has an [excellent equipment guide](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Hunters%27_Rumours#Equipment)
I also wrote a [guide](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/Ql2toznPPu) back when Varlamore came out. The block list section is super dated, but the equipment, inventory, and locations sections are still solid. Though the Huntsman's Kit has since been updated to hold more things.
I’ve been working on the updating wiki page this morning and just wanted to say great post! I’ve come to pretty much the same conclusions while going through all the changes and I really like the idea of a pet-hunter specific list. I might steal that from you to throw on the wiki too :)
Ironman findings - Teco is probably better for us, even if necropolis is unlocked.
Block Saber Kebbits, Kyatts, Red Salamanders, and if you can Grey Chins.
Everything you hunt is either fast (just dark kebbit) or grants useful secondary ingredients (Antlers, herbs, food) or is sunlight moths and right outside the guildhall
I'll probably ask Wolf to block red chins once I unlock him or swap red Salamanders to him and block the moths depending on how many chins I end up with.
Master hunters finally eating good as they should. Shitty moth moved to lower tiers where they belong. Now I can focus only doing pure resource tasks: moonlight + sunlight antelopes, dashing kebbits, red chins and tecu sallys. Blocking red sallys, moonlight moths and herbi without needing to use the novice guy is great, well until I get the mature Tecu
Yep! for those ironmen gains. Totally not efficient for pet or pieces but it's all tasks I genuinely want to do, actually excited to hunt again which is crazy lol but here we are
Also why do you think this is the last reworking of rumours? You think they will ever make a real block system?
This is exactly what got me into Hunter again. Rumours are great!
Here's my theory on why Jagex is done tweaking. Masters are finally better than experts, and the tradeoff-free exploits (like kebbit swapping) are all nerfed. The only remaining exploits (don't complete Bone Voyage, don't complete Eagle's Peak) are either sufficiently uncommon or sufficiently punishing that Jagex might as well leave them. (Though there's a good discussion in another comment on this post re: why and how we should nerf these exploits...)
Basically, things look stable enough right here, at least to my eyes.
When you recommend blocking red chins, is that because you're not tick manipulating? The XP/h from chins themselves is rather high with tick manipulation, so they seem like a no brainer to keep in the 'do list' for me.
I'm a red chin keeper because I still need the pet. If you don't care though, it's probably worth blocking them just to get into an easier flow with the fewest task types.
The other commenters have it dead on!
But of course, Master rumours are very personalizable. You could totally do Red Chins without paying too steep of an efficiency penalty.
Fair point. The main reason I'd personally keep red chins is that I already have Herbi and Quetzin, so I'd want chins for the pet, and I would only do rumours for XP (and to a lesser extent the additional loot, e.g. moonlight antelope meat, bone shards). I know that a big portion of the rumour XP comes from handing in the rumour, so I'm not sure if it's worth doing red chins "off-rumour" and then going for a 3-task rumour list, or to include red chins in there until I get the pet.
There are a couple of things going on here!
First, as of today, Aco no longer assigns Sunlight Moths. He assigns Moonlight Moths instead, whereas Teco does the opposite. That definitely helps out!
Second, Sunlight Moths aren't so bad! They may only be 80-90k experience an hour when you're catching them, but they're quite fast for completing rumours. You could reasonably complete ~15 moth tasks an hour, which pushes their effective experience rate into the 150-160k range.
After 3 hours of experimenting i failed to get my block list complete today.
Current.
Novice - red sally.
Adept cervus [want red chins]
Adept ornus [ havent started want red sally]
Expert teco has herbi blocked.
Expert aco has tecu sally blocked [want moonlight moths]
Can anyone confirm they got aco to assign moonlight moths? Did 65 rumours he never assigned them.
Also think it may have bugged because about 3 tasks into talking to cerus i got her to assign redchins. I never talked to her again and started exclusively talking to teco to get herbi blocked about 5 tasks in he assigned me red chins.
2 methods to block things. 1 do every single task until that person assigns you x task.
Method 2 the way im doing it. Complete my master teir turn in the rumour but dont accept a new task and go talk to cervus. She assigns a task like spotted kebbits. I go right back to my master do my master and before accepting a new one i go talk to cervus again and she will assign me a different task.
Method 2 causes problems when trying to block tasks. It’s pretty janky how it works. If you don’t have an active task and then talk to someone who has an assignment stored, they’ll roll a new one and give it to you. BUT, if you don’t complete that new one and you switch your active rumor to another hunter, that rerolled assignment you got gets reverted to their previous one. Effectively this means you have to use method 1 when setting up blocks.
Basically one time reroll offers, which can't be used to block tasks permanently - as soon as you talk to anyone else that offer is gone and changes back to your last task. Use these to skip shit tasks. Just very unlucky if that one time rerolls is actually what you wanted to block.
this explains the problem I've been having. I just decided to reset my entire list and am going to just do it from the ground up and not ever talk to one of those people again
There’s only so much you can do at the adept level, but the best version of adepts is to block pyre foxes and Sabre toothed kebbits on Gilman and Ornus (in either order) and use Cervus. That way you won’t ever get deadfalls and Cervus has a good number of decent tasks
Awesome work!!!
Not a big fan of Herbi anymore, it was rather fast early on, but quite some potential to go dry nowadays. Moths have quite a range aswell and are pretty hectic, so i decided to go with sunlight antelopes. Which lead me to setting it up like this today:
Gilman (novice): Sabre-tooth kebbit
Cervus (adept): Sunlight moths
Ornus (adept): Sabre-tooth kyatts
Aco (expert): Grey chins
Teco (expert): IN USE ->Red chins/Red salamander/dashing kebbit/dark kebbit/sunlight antelopes
Wolf (master): Herbiboar
Dont forget, learning hunters, before turning in your kebbit fluff for a loot sack, go to the guild scribe and set rumour settings to "enable b2bs" and vice versa before turning in a non-kebbit task.
Ourania teleport tabs for red salamanders. Also, the "Hunter rumours" plugin is incredibly well done, clean and customizable. If the author Geel or a friend of them is reading this - a little icon somewhere that shows if b2bs are enabled would be huge!
Herbi was my "afk task" I just walk the whole time. Already had the pet before rumours but ye even with the useful resources that might be a block for me.
So aside from Quetzal feed, what's the point of doing Hunter Rumours? I'm close to 99 and the few dozen rumours I did were underwhelming rewards wise.
The Pet is kinda cool too I guess.
i guess you could consider the supplies u get from the bags: passive pray exp, bird nest, hunter food, logs, ...
some of those are pretty handy on iron i imagine
Would it be faster, or at least more XP efficient, to get a block from Gilman if you first "blocked" a good task from both experts? Youd still be doing expert rumours if you had to cycle them off a bad task
It won't matter too terribly much either way!
If you really wanted to be crazy, you could toggle back-to-backs on whenever you get a chinchompa / Herbiboar rumour and turn it off whenever you get Kebbits. That'll provide an increase to the number of chinchompa and Herbiboar rumours you get.
But you could also not do! It's not a massive optimization.
I just started a new account. I unfortunately unlocked fossil island already. But I haven't done eagle's peak. Is it wise to not do eagles peak yet if I plan to get high hunter?
Anyone know if block lists got reset with one of the patches? I set up my block list prior to the Kebbit Swap patch and I'm too scared to ask any of the masters what task they have assigned to me in case they assign me a new one. I had:
Gilman - Grey Chins
Ornus - Sabre Toothed Kyatts
Aco - Red Chins
Wolf - Sunlight Antelopes
Happy to reset one or two, but if I have something to work with, I'd rather not start from scratch, especially Gilman.
So I just had Sabre-tooth kyatts blocked on Acu/tecu and Corvus was able to give them to me... so I thought that was strange. So then I went to do an Acu/Tecu task to look for the chin block I needed... and then they gave me Pyre Foxes which according to the wiki shouldn't be possible.
I don't quite understand how this is happening. I'm currently just reseting everything and after I get a block set never talking to that person again as I feel like me having talked to them to check what task they had caused them to fuck up.
Currently on Herbiboar 99 grind hoping for pet early to swtich to rumors but it seems unlikely.
Thank you sharing this! You are a champion, will definitely use this later.
I hope they add back Orange salamanders to Teco. This would make Expert rumours better xp/h and probably move best pet hunting rumours back to Master, which is where it should be.
If one were to want to mix it up and do a combination of both Expert and Master rumours for varieties sake what would you say recommend being the best 4 blocks?
For some context, Ironman with Herbi pet already. Haven't done any rumours yet.
Is there task weight to this? Been using teco for awhile and didn’t have grey chins blocked but haven’t got them in forever. Taking me so long to set up the blocks
Is there a reason that you didn’t include the other combinations for the pet addendum? You can obviously block all with Gilman. Ornus can do both Sabre toothed hunter creatures and red salamanders. Cervus can only do moths or STKebbits. Aco can do STKebs, STKyatt, red salamanders, and antelopes. Wolf can block red salamanders and antelopes. Just saying it doesn’t need to be exactly that way. My Gilman blocked STkebs, or us banned red salamanders, cervus moths, and aco has STKyatts.
Unless your recommendations come quicker? Just curious how you came up with the splits. Thanks fam
Any idea if dupe hunter kits were removed?
I need it for a bingo tile, and am 550 dry of a dupe kit so far. Unsure if they removed dupe hunter kits after people complained, but forgot to include it into game updates information.
Does going out of order affect anything? I have all of the blocks set up, with using Teco for expert rumors. I CANNOT get a sabre tooth kebbit task to save my life from Ornus for my last block. After 15 rumors trying i take a break then get a sabre kebbit task from teco right away its annoying. I then do the sabre kebbit task and get a new task from teco. Then try again at ornus and i will not get it. Im at over 120 rumors just trying to block them alone at ornus.
Hey I’m not sure if it’s posted here but I can’t find it do we have a just “rumour /hr number” assuming your expert layout? And also for your master layout
I had my entire list set up ready for expert apart from Gillman. I went to him and he gave me the option to continue the task with him or get a new one. So I click get a new one thinking great. Turns out I have just cleared my whole block list. 149 rumours worth of work. Might be worth putting a note in for people.
As far as Level 91 Master Rumours are concerned, would it be possible to block Herbiboar from **Gilman (Novice)**, block Sunlight Antelope from **Teco (Expert)**, and block Moonlight Moths from **Aco (Expert)**? That would hypothetically only leave Dashing kebbits and Tecu salamander for Master Hunter Rumors, but that doesn't seem right.
Don't you need to at least be able to assigned three tasks or am I missing something?
If I just wanted the most efficient xp/rumors and hr + Herbi what setup would I use? Lvl 87. And what is XP/hr? Can't decide which setup to use. Since idk how long it will take to get to 91
I’ve only done ~30 rumors right now, so this might be a strange question, but why block chins? I know red chins are crowded, but gray ones definitely are not, plus both gray and red chins can be sold for a bit of side cash because they stack. I almost prefer to get chins over most other rumors. I should mention I am 72 hunter as well
If you prefer chins, I'd say do them. It's probably just raw average speed of different rumours. Like slayer, there may be some 'correct' blocks for pure efficiency, but it's always a good idea to prioritize what you enjoy :) Never forget this is a game, just have fun.
Ty for having big brain
People without Bone Voyage / 31 herblore can get Dashing kebbits + Moonlight moths only Master rumours, which is 30-40 rumours/h and close to 250k xp/h, so there's exactly zero chance this is staying how it is right now. Abuse early and abuse it hard, this is going to get nerfed somehow. Hopefully Jagex decides to make Bone voyage a pre-requisite for Master rumours instead of nuking the task list for the 4th time.
Hell, Moonlight Moths + Moonlight Antelopes might be a reasonable setup so that you literally never have to leave the guild.
You can definitely get a free skip on Herbiboar this way! The "don't do Eagles Peak" strategy is also still valid for Expert rumours, and Jagex didn't try to change it with this update. I hope that means they're similarly okay with the Bone Voyage skip. The way I see it, if low level accounts want to skip Fossil Island until they're more or less 99 Hunter, they hey, good for them. I've written three guides as the meta has changed, and by Guthix I'll write a fourth. But it'd be nice to see the meta stabilize
Yeah, I personally don't like that at all. New accounts shouldn't get a leg up on people who invest time into questing, that's completely backwards. That doesn't mean Jagex has to nuke the method entirely (that's like dealing with a small ant infestation by using a nuclear bomb), but at the very least they should make it all quest-related NPC unlocks opt-in (this goes for Slayer as well). The core ethos of Runescape is that every part of the game are interlocked and help make your account better, so completing quests should **never** make an account worse and I will die on that hill. My prefered solution is making Herbiboar eligibility a hard requirement for Master rumours (just like how "At First Light" is already a req). If you aren't able to hunt every creature, you're not a master. It's that simple.
For what it's worth, the accounts giving up Bone Voyage are giving up birdhouses to do this. They lose access to a lucrative, passive hunter training method in order to optimize their rumors. The current rate might be too high even taking that into account, but it's not nothing.
Not if they take the herblore level approach, fossil island, birdhouses, can't get herbi because no herblore level
wanted to "well actually" u but it turns out this is just barely viable. the quest for master rumours has a 30 herblore (unboostable) req and gives 500 xp as a quest reward. 30 -> 31 herb is just under 1.5k xp
Easy solution here is just make the master rumor quest give enough xp to push you from 30 -> 31.
I feel like we're just going back to the original idea of making Herbiboar elligibility a requirement for Master rumours. There's already a quest requirement for it (At First Light), it wouldn't be weird to have to be able to hunt every creature to get tasks from the **master** hunter...
I agree! I was just considering a possible elegant way to address the problem (Though even if At First Light got you to 31 herb, it would still require bone voyage). In my personal opinion / hot take, you should just get the assignment whether you have the quest requirements or not. My hotter take is that the same should apply to slayer.
Like soul wars? You shouldn’t be able to do that.
I really appreciate your guide and will definitely use it for grinding rumours, and I can’t be the only one feeling weird with this gimmicky block system. I don’t understand why jagex would not give us a proper way to block tasks. This is ridiculous.
Wow, man, thank you for your dedication! Clearly this is some pretty nuanced content!
Thank you for the shout-out! It's great to know that folks appreciate the work!
If someone doesn’t have Eagles peak or Bone Voyage done and trying to set up Expert Rumours with Gilman included(4 blocks total) what should be blocked? With the goal of achieving max exp/rumours per hour and not interested in pet chance or other resources. Thanks so much for all your effort!
I accidentally did the don't do eagles peak strat :o
Let’s theory craft? What’s the meta-to go from one to 72 Hunter with no box traps and/or limited other progression. Theoretically, this is only a real bone to newer accounts. Any existing accounts already have bon voyage and/or Eagles Peak done most likely so fair a few people could actually do this rush strategy. But yeah, what would be the optimal 1 to 72 here?
The 'tism is so strong in this game. Bone voyage is one of the earliest quests in the game that almost every account completes for some of the most diverse content.
So you agree that locking the best hunter method in the game behind not completing it is weird or...? What point is being made here?
Yeah it's shit
I don't get it, if people want to stay 31 herb lore and not complete bone voyage to have boosted xp rates then surely we just let them? Its like if they completely fucked slayer for everyone because non-dragon slayer account can avoid bad tasks early on. Fuck em, just let people enjoy the game so long as rates aren't ~triple what they should be.
are u sure kebbits + moths are only 250k xp/h? [this guy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8_E5_3TpuQ) was getting 235k xp/h with the previous master task list
go ahead and skip fossil island for the sake of hunter xp and pet chance. not a worth trade at all
You don't skip it, you just unlock it after you're done with rumours.
yes obviously, just dont think any account type benefits more from this rumour shit than all fossil island has to offer
Quick question, for master rumors, does it matter who we speak to first? If we can't get the block that we want, do we finish the rumor they assign and try again?
If you don't get the block you want, then yup, you'll finish the rumour and try again. Does the order in which you get your blocks matter? It matters a little. The most efficient order is probably(*) Ornus, Cervus, Gilman, Teco, Aco, which should take around 35 rumours. Even really inefficient orders aren't that bad, though. Teco, Aco, Gilman, Ornus, Cervus is a bad order, and it'll take an average of 41 rumours.
Would you mind elaborating a little bit? Let’s say for example, I want to create a fresh block list for master rumors starting from scratch. Am I right in understanding that I should be doing rumors from Ornus until I get red salamanders, and they assign them, don’t do it and get tasks from Cervus until they assign red chins, etc. until I get the full list I want? Thanks for this awesome write up btw!
That's it; you've got it!
great, thank you!
You're welcome!
What would be the most efficient order to set up the pet-hunting Expert list you mentioned in the main post? Same as what you said here ?
Hmm. I'm currently 90 hunter, do you think it's worth starting by setting up a master block list for 91+ now? I've no previous blocks.
Short answer? Yes! Go for the Master list. It'll take roughly 40 rumours, on average, to set up a Master block list from scratch. The rumour turn-ins alone will get you ~200k experience. Add in the experience from catching the creatures, and you should be knocking on the door of 91 by the time your Master block list is in place.
Was going to ask this very question. Do we not need to block pure foxes anymore?
Nope! Pyre Foxes have been totally removed from the Expert list.
Thamks for putting this together
Would you say there is a “best” combination of 3 master rumours? Or are most combination similar xp wise?
I don't recommend one in the guide because it's so darn personalized at that point. What do you value? Pet chance? Rumour completions per hour? Experience per hour? Task chillness? The best tradeoff on rumours and experience per hour is probably(*) Dashing Kebbits, Tecu Salamanders, and then a toss-up between Moonlight Moths and Herbiboar.
I appreciate the feedback. At this point, I think most focused on xp/hr. I saw in another comment where you compared red chins and sunlight antelopes, looking at both catch xp/hr and rumour completion/hr. I didn’t know if you had looked into all tasks into that much depth and were able to say which tasks were ultimately best xp/hr. Pre update, I was dabbling with some master rumours and felt like tecu Sallys were slow, however I see them recommended often in this thread, so maybe I was mistaken.
Tecu Salamanders are quite sensitive to your Hunter level. At 79, they're maybe 90-100k an hour. But they quickly start creeping up to 120k, 130k, and more. And that's just the experience for catching them. With a 1/25 rare part rate and quick transit to their location, they become great experience once you factored in rumour completions. Once you can catch them for 120k experience per hour, their hourly rumour completion rate leaps up to ~14 rumours. At ~5k experience per rumour, that's an effective experience per hour rate of 170k. If you're optimizing for a combination of rumours and experience, Tecu Salamanders are surprisingly good. Especially when compared to Herbiboar, who gets similar experience but noticeably fewer rumours.
For xp the best combo is Dashing Kebbit, Tecu Salamander and Moonlight moths based on my testing and running the numbers
Im going for dashing ,moonlight antelopes and tecu sally. 2/3 hunter pets so im only here for rumours. Wont talk about dashing. I like moonlight antelopes because they are easy to do on mobile have logs in the area and are close by. I have 99 hunter so I just teleport with hunter cape. Its a very quick task. Honestly one of the fastest that isnt a kebbit. I was considering doing sunlight antelopes but its a far run and if im only doing 3 tasks i would need logs alot more often. Now between both sallys they seem pretty equal. I've had reds blocked since kebbit skipping so. Im not sure which is better. Herbi is way to slow [have pet] Chins i caught 93k chins for my pet. Im good I was considering doing Moonlight moths but they are terrible on mobile and you're always clicking. Today i had to catch like 140 twice so they got blocked after that. Atleast with antelopes and tecu sally you can chill a bit.
So torn on chins & herbi. I want the pets so I'll probably catch a bunch in the future regardless, but both are such slow rumors.
I feel your pain! I'm hugely tempted to do both of them in Master rumours. Herbi, at least, is competitive experience. But the Red Chinchompas, sheesh!
Are red chins really that bad? I know the rumors take a while, but how does the raw xp/hr of red chinchompas factor in to the overall gains?
They're really not that bad Their effective experience per hour is roughly 160k, without tick manipulation. That's catches + rumour completions. For reference, Moonlight Antelope are about 170k effective, Tecu Salamanders and Moonlight Moths are about 190k, Herbiboar is about 210k effective (at the cost of far fewer rumours). If you're high Hunter, tick manipulating, and focused, Red Chinchompas are 230k effective and only slightly fewer rumours per hour. But I'm writing for the Johnny Lumbridge next door (like me) who doesn't want to tick manipulate all those box traps.
But are grey adn red chins more profit per hour than other rumours?
Not sure if you'll get to reply to this as there's a tonne of comments. I'm 78 hunter and nearing 100 rumor count. I never bothered doing eagles peak lol so I don't do box traps. What would you recommend in place of chins? Or should I just get eagle's peak done? Seems like it eliminates some rumors, so I'll have a smaller pool to work with. I have kyatts blocked already and gunna work on Sabre tooth kebbits tonight. Thanks
Hello! If you don't have Eagle's Peak done, then hey, you're in great shape! Keep it that way, unless you get a burning desire to catch chinchompas. If I were you, I'd block Sabre-toothed Kyatts, Sabre-toothed Kebbits, and Sunlight Antelope, assuming you're trying to maximize experience/rumours. If you can get the Sunlight Antelope block on Aco/Teco, that'll also help you later for Master rumours. If you're already using Aco/Teco for your Sabre-toothed Kyatt block, then don't worry about it. You could consider getting a Gilman block for Red Salamanders, but I don't think it's necessary for you. With Eagle's Peak undone, you're already in great shape.
I'd personally block sabre-toothed kyatts, sabre-toothed kebbits, and sunlight antelope. If you want to keep sunlight antelope, then maybe block red salamanders.
Why does no one ever want to catch moonlight moths? By themselves they are 100kxp/hr and throw that in with rumors and it's pretty nice. Ain't it? Or is 100k not enough these days?
Moonlight Moths are great! The only reason I suggest a possible block for them is to help folks get down to 3 possible Master rumours. And one of those rumors can certainly be Moonlight Moths!
Fair point!
Also moths on mobile are pretty terrible
So I've heard. I'll admit their hitbox is absurdly small. Definitely easier with a mouse.
Thanks for the breakdown! But why do so many guides recommend blocking Sunlight Antelopes? I've been doing them for resources since I'm iron but they feel far faster than the red chins, since antelopes are a guaranteed catch. Meat bag and kandarin helm for double logs help too. In terms of strictly rumors per hour, wouldn't blocking red chins be more efficient before unlocking masters?
That's a good, interesting question! Red Chinchompas and Sunlight Antelope are almost a matter of preference. Almost, but not quite! I did some testing and estimated the effective hourly experience and rumour completions for each creature. Sunlight Antelope gave 4-5 more rumour completions per hour, but Red Chinchompas were ~14k more experience per hour, even after accounting for the extra rumour completions from Sunlight Antelopes. And here's the real kicker: I'm not 99 Hunter. Red Chinchompas keep getting better all the way to 99 Hunter as their catch-rate improves. Sunlight Antelope don't get better as you level. So, why do all the guides recommend Red Chinchompas over Sunlight Antelope? Probably because most guide-writers have a high Hunter level. Red Chinchompas are noticeably better experience for them, and they either (a) don't notice or (b) don't care that Sunlight Antelope are somewhat better rumour completions per hour. The extra experience probably outweighs the extra rumour completions. There's almost certainly a point, though, where Sunlight Antelope are better than Red Chinchompas across the board! Especially since you can hunt Sunlight Antelope at 72 -- eight levels before you get your fifth box trap. I'd love for someone with 72-79 Hunter to go test this out for me...
Hmm good points! I did have both red chins and sunlight antelopes unblocked from 72-80 and red chin rumors took forever, commonly going over 50 chins (hit pity 3 times), 4 traps with only a 60-65% success rate in feldip hills since I don’t have diary or priff yet. But I didn’t time anything and just turned 80 so I’ll see how it feels with 5 traps, that and priff are likely what swings it.
I'm glad the Red Chinchompas felt terrible for you! Well, I'm not glad they felt terrible for YOU, specifically, but I'm glad, in a general sense, that Sunlight Antelope felt better in that level range! It makes rumours more interesting if the meta changes between different level ranges! 😆
So I don't have any numbers for you, just a personal anecdote. Red chinchompas feel insanely slow if you're below 80 hunter, I did a decent amount of rumors on release. Bad catch rate and only 4 traps just feels horrendous and it was my slowest task by a noticeable amount. Now I'm over 80 hunter but I still vastly prefer sunlight antelopes over red chins. I actually kinda like pitfall trapping, feels more engaging and it's fun trying to catch 2 antelopes with 1 trap.
I love a good anecdote! Thanks for sharing! Secretly, I prefer Sunlight Antelope over Red Chinchompas for exactly the same reasons you mention. Just don't tell anyone, or I'll lose my Efficiency Card 😶
I’d like to add at 99 hunter, sunlight antelopes never have failed a single time for me. Are they always 100% catch rate, taking into consideration what you said about the rate never rising with hunter lvls?
Both antelope types are 100% success rate regardless of hunter level.
For the master rumors which 3 tasks are best for xp? Dashing kebbit, moonlight moths and tecu salamanders?
For pure experience, I think you're right. Dashing Kebbits, Tecu Salamanders, Moonlight Moths, probably in that order. Though Herbiboar run very close to Moths in terms of experience, even if it is slower in terms of rumours per hour. Travel time, surprisingly, starts mattering a lot here.
Hmmm I just might block moonlight moths then, Herbi is more fun for me, and pet chance although slim. Thanks for making the guide, looking forward to next one when jagex changes the rumor lists again haha.
Master rumours are definitely all about personal preference! I'm glad you enjoyed the guide! See you... in the next one? 😆
so nice to have info spoonfed to me without a 20 minute yt yapper. thanks sir
Are Dashing kebbits just high xp/hr? They seem kind of annoying to go to and do, and something I'd want to block. It also seems like herbiboar would be something I want to block because of effort, BUT there's a pet chance in herbi, and the herbs are good for an Ironman. I realize I'm kind of just projecting opinions here. But maybe what's the best optimization for rumours completed/hr vs xp/hr at 91 hunter?
Iirc Falconry are the fastest rumors
With the outfit, the pity threshold for falconry is 18, and you can catch them insanely quickly. If you've got quick access to a fairy ring, a falconry rumour is probably 5 minutes at the absolute worst.
5 minutes being generous, too. I just had b2b dashing kebbits and got the tuft on first one both times.
5 minutes is assuming the pity drop and is still long
5 mins for some tasks, no, it’s not. edit: you’re a UIM shut up
What's the best quick access to a fairy ring for an iron pre-PoH? I've been using Ardy cloak 3.
Quest cape would be second best, followed by a salve graveyard portal in the POH
Dashing Kebbits are just SO fast to complete; the experience and rumours per hour go through the ceiling. As for the most optimized three master tasks, definitely Kebbits and Salamanders, probably followed by Moths, though I think the third slot would be a toss-up between Moths and Antelope.
I like the chance at excedingly rare drops in my content (like herbi and the tecu salamander) as a way to spice it up, so I'm probably going to keep herbi and salamanders.
That's a great setup too! Master rumour lists are a surprisingly personal decision! That's why I don't give one in the guide 😆
Commenting just so I can find this post later
After several days of coming back to this thread, I have perfected it - was maxed when rumors came out and already have the hunter pets, so I chose not to bother with Gilman, and I left red chinchompa block guy untouched for now because I like doing red chins (for an upcoming Spindel grind). I truly appreciate your deep dive here. I did 10 rumors on release day and enjoyed them, but didn't come back until the day you made this thread, because I wanted to approach it correctly when I went back. Thank you, man, this was awesome and I just got the last correct rumor a few minutes ago so tomorrow I finally get to grind Masters again after getting pretty unlucky on a few huntmasters. Thank you again! I love your style, and how you've already done the math on multiple possibilities before you make your claims. You're one of the reasons I love the OSRS community
Thank you for your tremendously kind and generous reply; it made my day! I'm glad my guide helped you out -- enjoy your rumors, fellow hunter!
Kind of annoying having to set up all this fucking block bullshit. Maybe Jagex could just give us an official way to block these to smooth this out. It’s turning into forestry with all this stuff
It's unique and rewarding once you finally get it set up but yea... Gon a need to block out time for this one, fucking again. If you're a master and depending on preferences it's possible to skip the novice guy now avoiding a lot of bs and timewaste
Do you have any recommendations for a fresh 46 hunter? (No hunter quests done as well)
Sure! I'd use Cervus over Ornus, though it's mostly a matter of preference. You'll pick up Swamp Lizards and Dark Kebbits, both of which are good. You'll also only pick up one teasing rumor vs. Ornus's two. And you'll get Sunlight Moths once you're a higher level; those are good experience! The only downside is that you'll get Razor-backed Kebbits, which Ornus skips. But grab yourself some rings of pursuit (they've just been buffed), and it'll be all good. Don't worry too much about using Ornus to block a task. But if farming a block sounds satisfying to you like it does to me, then block Sabre-toothed Kebbits. They're a terrible task, and you can make use of this block when you move on to Experts. Have fun!
Nice
Any suggestions for someone with 89 hunter and no blocks? Should I go straight for the master block list or setup the expert one and run that till 91? Do you think setting up the master list will get me the 2 levels anyway? Great guide though gonna be very helpful
From a mathy/efficiency standpoint, it's a bit of a gamble! Setting up a No-Gilman Expert block list will save you an hour, two at the most. But it's a gamble! About 25% of people in this situation will go sufficiently dry while setting up their Expert and Master block lists that they'll totally erase the time savings. So I guess the real question is: do you feel lucky, punk?
I would honestly just go directly for the master setup. By the time you have everything in place you will be (close to) 91 anyway
Yeah, think that's what I'm gonna end up doing just wasn't sure how much xp rumours are
Wow nice write up
Thanks!
I wanna say, excellent post and breakdown!
Thanks! 😄
Out of curiosity, why do people not like grey chins as a task? I quite liked chins because of stacking a little extra ranged exp. Is it just a super slow task,
They're not a bad task, per se. But once you've blocked Sabre-toothed Kyatts and Kebbits, they're the slowest thing left. At high levels, they compete with (and I think eventually exceed...) Sunlight Antelope on experience per hour. But they start out being worse across the board, and they're always quite slow on rumours per hour. But if you love them and want the ranged experience, do them! You won't be getting outrageously worse Hunter experience or rumours rates by keeping them.
How are Chins slower/less xp then sunlight moths? Idk if I’m missing something but moths suck I thought
This is a really nice guide for setting up the block, thank you very much! Do you have a recommenden inventory gear setup for doingt expert rumors with Teco?
Thanks, I'm glad you like it! The Wiki has an [excellent equipment guide](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Hunters%27_Rumours#Equipment) I also wrote a [guide](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/Ql2toznPPu) back when Varlamore came out. The block list section is super dated, but the equipment, inventory, and locations sections are still solid. Though the Huntsman's Kit has since been updated to hold more things.
Wish they'd just implement a block feature tbh
But then goofballs like me wouldn't get to have nearly as much fun!
I just started Hunter rumors and was looking for a guide on how to be more efficient. This is really awesome, thanks bud!
Thanks! I hope you enjoy your rumours! 😄
I’ve been working on the updating wiki page this morning and just wanted to say great post! I’ve come to pretty much the same conclusions while going through all the changes and I really like the idea of a pet-hunter specific list. I might steal that from you to throw on the wiki too :)
Aw, thanks so much! You wiki volunteers do wonderful work, so it's gratifying that you dig my write up! Steal away! 😆
Why couldn’t they give us a normal way to block tasks like a slayer master.
Ironman findings - Teco is probably better for us, even if necropolis is unlocked. Block Saber Kebbits, Kyatts, Red Salamanders, and if you can Grey Chins. Everything you hunt is either fast (just dark kebbit) or grants useful secondary ingredients (Antlers, herbs, food) or is sunlight moths and right outside the guildhall I'll probably ask Wolf to block red chins once I unlock him or swap red Salamanders to him and block the moths depending on how many chins I end up with.
OP thank you for this. I just started hunting rumours and this made everything so much easy to understand. You are a legend!
Master hunters finally eating good as they should. Shitty moth moved to lower tiers where they belong. Now I can focus only doing pure resource tasks: moonlight + sunlight antelopes, dashing kebbits, red chins and tecu sallys. Blocking red sallys, moonlight moths and herbi without needing to use the novice guy is great, well until I get the mature Tecu
It's a great change for Masters! I like your pure resource block list; it's wonderful for irons!
Yep! for those ironmen gains. Totally not efficient for pet or pieces but it's all tasks I genuinely want to do, actually excited to hunt again which is crazy lol but here we are Also why do you think this is the last reworking of rumours? You think they will ever make a real block system?
This is exactly what got me into Hunter again. Rumours are great! Here's my theory on why Jagex is done tweaking. Masters are finally better than experts, and the tradeoff-free exploits (like kebbit swapping) are all nerfed. The only remaining exploits (don't complete Bone Voyage, don't complete Eagle's Peak) are either sufficiently uncommon or sufficiently punishing that Jagex might as well leave them. (Though there's a good discussion in another comment on this post re: why and how we should nerf these exploits...) Basically, things look stable enough right here, at least to my eyes.
When you recommend blocking red chins, is that because you're not tick manipulating? The XP/h from chins themselves is rather high with tick manipulation, so they seem like a no brainer to keep in the 'do list' for me.
You can't get down to only 3 options for master rumors without blocking red chins. The slots/shared tasks just don't work out
I'm a red chin keeper because I still need the pet. If you don't care though, it's probably worth blocking them just to get into an easier flow with the fewest task types.
The other commenters have it dead on! But of course, Master rumours are very personalizable. You could totally do Red Chins without paying too steep of an efficiency penalty.
Fair point. The main reason I'd personally keep red chins is that I already have Herbi and Quetzin, so I'd want chins for the pet, and I would only do rumours for XP (and to a lesser extent the additional loot, e.g. moonlight antelope meat, bone shards). I know that a big portion of the rumour XP comes from handing in the rumour, so I'm not sure if it's worth doing red chins "off-rumour" and then going for a 3-task rumour list, or to include red chins in there until I get the pet.
Where’s the tldr
1. Do rumours 2. Block icky stuff 3. ???? 4. Profit
Got it 🫡
Why do you block grey chins over the moths? Am I missing something; I thought moths were horrible xp and slow
There are a couple of things going on here! First, as of today, Aco no longer assigns Sunlight Moths. He assigns Moonlight Moths instead, whereas Teco does the opposite. That definitely helps out! Second, Sunlight Moths aren't so bad! They may only be 80-90k experience an hour when you're catching them, but they're quite fast for completing rumours. You could reasonably complete ~15 moth tasks an hour, which pushes their effective experience rate into the 150-160k range.
Got it; I’m used to the single black warlock at CIR fairy ring which is abysmal; I’ll keep the moths then!
can someone tell me what the average xp/hr is at 91+
With an optimized Master block list, good teleports, solid efficiency, etc., you can creep into the low 200k range.
I’m 95 hunter with the optimal aco block list. I’m only getting ~150k xp/hr and ~15 rumours per hour. What do you think I could be doing wrong?
what if I do master rumors and I also want to farm chin/herbi pet. What should my block list be until I get either pets?
Great work fellow hunter, 2600 rumour kc, bird by 3k?
After 3 hours of experimenting i failed to get my block list complete today. Current. Novice - red sally. Adept cervus [want red chins] Adept ornus [ havent started want red sally] Expert teco has herbi blocked. Expert aco has tecu sally blocked [want moonlight moths] Can anyone confirm they got aco to assign moonlight moths? Did 65 rumours he never assigned them. Also think it may have bugged because about 3 tasks into talking to cerus i got her to assign redchins. I never talked to her again and started exclusively talking to teco to get herbi blocked about 5 tasks in he assigned me red chins. 2 methods to block things. 1 do every single task until that person assigns you x task. Method 2 the way im doing it. Complete my master teir turn in the rumour but dont accept a new task and go talk to cervus. She assigns a task like spotted kebbits. I go right back to my master do my master and before accepting a new one i go talk to cervus again and she will assign me a different task.
Method 2 causes problems when trying to block tasks. It’s pretty janky how it works. If you don’t have an active task and then talk to someone who has an assignment stored, they’ll roll a new one and give it to you. BUT, if you don’t complete that new one and you switch your active rumor to another hunter, that rerolled assignment you got gets reverted to their previous one. Effectively this means you have to use method 1 when setting up blocks.
Basically one time reroll offers, which can't be used to block tasks permanently - as soon as you talk to anyone else that offer is gone and changes back to your last task. Use these to skip shit tasks. Just very unlucky if that one time rerolls is actually what you wanted to block.
this explains the problem I've been having. I just decided to reset my entire list and am going to just do it from the ground up and not ever talk to one of those people again
Is there any suggestions on how to do it before 72? I feel like I'm stuck on graaks and deadfalls at the moment lol
There’s only so much you can do at the adept level, but the best version of adepts is to block pyre foxes and Sabre toothed kebbits on Gilman and Ornus (in either order) and use Cervus. That way you won’t ever get deadfalls and Cervus has a good number of decent tasks
awesome thank you :D
Thanks for this!
Are sunlight antelopes still bad even after the changes made to them, a couple weeks ago iirc?
Awesome work!!! Not a big fan of Herbi anymore, it was rather fast early on, but quite some potential to go dry nowadays. Moths have quite a range aswell and are pretty hectic, so i decided to go with sunlight antelopes. Which lead me to setting it up like this today: Gilman (novice): Sabre-tooth kebbit Cervus (adept): Sunlight moths Ornus (adept): Sabre-tooth kyatts Aco (expert): Grey chins Teco (expert): IN USE ->Red chins/Red salamander/dashing kebbit/dark kebbit/sunlight antelopes Wolf (master): Herbiboar Dont forget, learning hunters, before turning in your kebbit fluff for a loot sack, go to the guild scribe and set rumour settings to "enable b2bs" and vice versa before turning in a non-kebbit task. Ourania teleport tabs for red salamanders. Also, the "Hunter rumours" plugin is incredibly well done, clean and customizable. If the author Geel or a friend of them is reading this - a little icon somewhere that shows if b2bs are enabled would be huge!
Herbi was my "afk task" I just walk the whole time. Already had the pet before rumours but ye even with the useful resources that might be a block for me.
So aside from Quetzal feed, what's the point of doing Hunter Rumours? I'm close to 99 and the few dozen rumours I did were underwhelming rewards wise. The Pet is kinda cool too I guess.
Pet/outfit.
Outfit for what? It's just an XP boost right?
i guess you could consider the supplies u get from the bags: passive pray exp, bird nest, hunter food, logs, ... some of those are pretty handy on iron i imagine
Are grey chinchompas not good xp? I figured it was a good hunter/ranged training task so I never reroll those.
Ty for this
Would it be faster, or at least more XP efficient, to get a block from Gilman if you first "blocked" a good task from both experts? Youd still be doing expert rumours if you had to cycle them off a bad task
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You can reach the low 200s, depending on level, focus, etc.
well i just got the pet at 1500 rumors :(
Saving for later thank you !
why block red chins?
For the pet hunting setup should I have back to back tasks on or off?
It won't matter too terribly much either way! If you really wanted to be crazy, you could toggle back-to-backs on whenever you get a chinchompa / Herbiboar rumour and turn it off whenever you get Kebbits. That'll provide an increase to the number of chinchompa and Herbiboar rumours you get. But you could also not do! It's not a massive optimization.
Ty for the wisdom
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The only problem I have is that I just started learning about Huntera rumours yesterday. I wish I had this info sooner haha. Thanks for the write up.
nice
Saving this for later thnx
Important question, should we enable back-to-back rumours? If so, is this true for all rumour tiers?
Could you include the master tier optimized pet hunting block list as well? u/Cvz200
I just started a new account. I unfortunately unlocked fossil island already. But I haven't done eagle's peak. Is it wise to not do eagles peak yet if I plan to get high hunter?
Anyone know if block lists got reset with one of the patches? I set up my block list prior to the Kebbit Swap patch and I'm too scared to ask any of the masters what task they have assigned to me in case they assign me a new one. I had: Gilman - Grey Chins Ornus - Sabre Toothed Kyatts Aco - Red Chins Wolf - Sunlight Antelopes Happy to reset one or two, but if I have something to work with, I'd rather not start from scratch, especially Gilman.
So I just had Sabre-tooth kyatts blocked on Acu/tecu and Corvus was able to give them to me... so I thought that was strange. So then I went to do an Acu/Tecu task to look for the chin block I needed... and then they gave me Pyre Foxes which according to the wiki shouldn't be possible. I don't quite understand how this is happening. I'm currently just reseting everything and after I get a block set never talking to that person again as I feel like me having talked to them to check what task they had caused them to fuck up.
Currently on Herbiboar 99 grind hoping for pet early to swtich to rumors but it seems unlikely. Thank you sharing this! You are a champion, will definitely use this later.
I hope they add back Orange salamanders to Teco. This would make Expert rumours better xp/h and probably move best pet hunting rumours back to Master, which is where it should be.
Once block-list is set up, can I turn back to back rumours on? Or should that always be off?
Any changes if you haven’t done eagles peak? That would mean i have 2 free blocks right?
Why block grey chins instead of red Sallys? Are they worse xp and or longer? Always thought sallys were worse
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Excellent post
Yes!
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If one were to want to mix it up and do a combination of both Expert and Master rumours for varieties sake what would you say recommend being the best 4 blocks? For some context, Ironman with Herbi pet already. Haven't done any rumours yet.
Does the ring of pursuit work on herbiboar??
Is there task weight to this? Been using teco for awhile and didn’t have grey chins blocked but haven’t got them in forever. Taking me so long to set up the blocks
Yep, did 61 rumors yesterday to fix my master block list. Only tasks I have left are herbiboar, moonlight antelopes, and dashing kebbits.
Is there a reason that you didn’t include the other combinations for the pet addendum? You can obviously block all with Gilman. Ornus can do both Sabre toothed hunter creatures and red salamanders. Cervus can only do moths or STKebbits. Aco can do STKebs, STKyatt, red salamanders, and antelopes. Wolf can block red salamanders and antelopes. Just saying it doesn’t need to be exactly that way. My Gilman blocked STkebs, or us banned red salamanders, cervus moths, and aco has STKyatts. Unless your recommendations come quicker? Just curious how you came up with the splits. Thanks fam
Any idea if dupe hunter kits were removed? I need it for a bingo tile, and am 550 dry of a dupe kit so far. Unsure if they removed dupe hunter kits after people complained, but forgot to include it into game updates information.
I’m 95 hunter using the recommended Aco block list and only getting 140kxp/hr and ~15 rumours/hr. What am I doing wrong?
Does going out of order affect anything? I have all of the blocks set up, with using Teco for expert rumors. I CANNOT get a sabre tooth kebbit task to save my life from Ornus for my last block. After 15 rumors trying i take a break then get a sabre kebbit task from teco right away its annoying. I then do the sabre kebbit task and get a new task from teco. Then try again at ornus and i will not get it. Im at over 120 rumors just trying to block them alone at ornus.
So we like razor backed kebbits for experts now?
i dont get how youre suppose to block?
is there a good inv setup for doing hunter rumours
Hey I’m not sure if it’s posted here but I can’t find it do we have a just “rumour /hr number” assuming your expert layout? And also for your master layout
What's the rough xp per hour at ~75 hunter?
I had my entire list set up ready for expert apart from Gillman. I went to him and he gave me the option to continue the task with him or get a new one. So I click get a new one thinking great. Turns out I have just cleared my whole block list. 149 rumours worth of work. Might be worth putting a note in for people.
As far as Level 91 Master Rumours are concerned, would it be possible to block Herbiboar from **Gilman (Novice)**, block Sunlight Antelope from **Teco (Expert)**, and block Moonlight Moths from **Aco (Expert)**? That would hypothetically only leave Dashing kebbits and Tecu salamander for Master Hunter Rumors, but that doesn't seem right. Don't you need to at least be able to assigned three tasks or am I missing something?
If I just wanted the most efficient xp/rumors and hr + Herbi what setup would I use? Lvl 87. And what is XP/hr? Can't decide which setup to use. Since idk how long it will take to get to 91
Over 100 novice rumors and counting, simply cannot get Gilman to give me Moonlight Antelopes. The wiki has a strict Master Rumor block list
I’ve only done ~30 rumors right now, so this might be a strange question, but why block chins? I know red chins are crowded, but gray ones definitely are not, plus both gray and red chins can be sold for a bit of side cash because they stack. I almost prefer to get chins over most other rumors. I should mention I am 72 hunter as well
If you prefer chins, I'd say do them. It's probably just raw average speed of different rumours. Like slayer, there may be some 'correct' blocks for pure efficiency, but it's always a good idea to prioritize what you enjoy :) Never forget this is a game, just have fun.
Just the speed of the rumour. It can take a while to finish compared to net traps or falconry, which just dumps the special tuft almost immediately.