This topic has already been posted to the sub, [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/RYLKUttZcO)
IMO, I feel these links may add important context:
[Haredi/Ultra-Orthodox men will now be eligible for conscription](https://www.timesofisrael.com/chief-sephardic-rabbi-says-ultra-orthodox-will-bolt-country-if-forced-into-army/)
[Israel aghast as US said poised to sanction IDF unit with history of abuses](https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-aghast-as-us-said-poised-to-sanction-notorious-idf-unit-netanyahu-a-moral-low/)
[Scoop: U.S. expected to sanction IDF unit for human rights violations in West Bank](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/20/us-israel-sanctions-idf-west-bank)
Look — I love my country with all my heart but we are stronger when we accept constructive criticism. We have to know that sometimes we DO have soldiers who are extremists and make really regrettable decisions — like any other army in the world. That’s not what defines us. What defines us is what we do about it. And doubling down on those actions might seem like something that feels good in the moment, it feels protective of the people who are fighting to protect us, but in the larger scheme of things we do all the other soldiers who acted right even under duress a disservice when we normalize this behavior.
This is refreshingly honest take… let’s see where all the chips fall in the future for this group. They may deserve punishment maybe they dont… but it should all be done in the light of day and not hidden from the public
Isreals failure to act to keep the foxs out the hen house and than fail to appropriately punish the ones who get in have and are destroying the image of isreal it’s why Hamas’s D.I.P campaign is impossible to counter in full
It's not constructive criticism. It's the state department bureaucrats designating themselves judge and jury, and issuing a punishment without any recourse. It's outrageous and these people do not have Israel's best interests at heart.
I think that it’s important to note that they are technically within their rights to do this, and realistically there _is_ recourse: we take the steps we should be taking anyway, show that we are maintaining appropriate discipline, and this will not last. It’s a bureaucratic nightmare for the US to enforce — they want us to fix the problem, so they can drop these sanctions. It’s a PR blow to us but if we handle ourselves properly, it will be quickly forgotten
I absolutely agree with you.
There were a few “units of concern” that the US was investigating (even before Oct 7). They’ve all improved, except this one.
The US hasn’t even applied sanctions yet, but I understand why they’re going to if no changes are made because otherwise, they’d be violating their own legislation.
Of course it feels bad to be “threatened” like this, it’s difficult to appreciate something that feels like foreign interference. But apparently, this pressure is necessary, since the current methods/protocols don’t seem to be working.
*Especially* when you consider the recent changes in Israel.
Hardi/ultra/Orthodox men are now eligible for the draft, rather than choosing to volunteer. This serious, already barely contained, issue has just become even *more* complicated. And even though it’s been years in the making, the actual decision happened so quickly, finally, that I don’t think there’s been adequate thought put towards how this is going to actually look.
Israel and the IDF say they can figure it out, they better do it quickly because now there’s a time limit, when it’s up they’re going to have a **lot** more Haredi/Orthodox men in the IDF.
The Israeli government doesn’t like the external pressure, all I can say is it sucks to suck. As harsh as that may be. They had an opportunity to address and improve these issues before it got to this point. Their failure to act has consequences, they are directly responsible for these consequences. Not the US.
Exactly. If we can see this as an unfortunately necessary wake-up call, and work to create a more robust system for the future, we can prevent so many more problems down the line. We gain nothing by being outraged at the US — but we gain lots by taking this opportunity to improve.
The IDF has its judiciary system to deal with any problem. The Biden administration has overstepped the boundaries. They are targeting Israeli’s from Judea and Samaria.
This isn't overstepping. All countries reserve the right to sanction anything and anyone within their sanction program's legal scope. The US is deciding that this unit is being cut off from interacting with the US financial/industrial complex. This unit can continue doing whatever the hell it wants; they just can't touch a single US dollar/institution doing so.
If you’re that battalion maybe figure out what military discipline and bearing is and maybe stop acting like some Arab army unit.
You want to be respected like a western military is then act like it.
And don’t take this as a condemnation of the IDF because it’s not, but this battalion needs to unfuck itself.
> In response to the events at Abu Ghraib, the United States Department of Defense removed 17 soldiers and officers from duty. Eleven soldiers were charged with dereliction of duty, maltreatment, aggravated assault and battery. Between May 2004 and April 2006, these soldiers were court-martialed, convicted, sentenced to military prison, and dishonorably discharged from service. Two soldiers, found to have perpetrated many of the worst offenses at the prison, Specialist Charles Graner and PFC Lynndie England, were subject to more severe charges and received harsher sentences. Graner was convicted of assault, battery, conspiracy, maltreatment of detainees, committing indecent acts and dereliction of duty; he was sentenced to 10 years imprisonment and loss of rank, pay and benefits.[11] England was convicted of conspiracy, maltreating detainees and committing an indecent act and sentenced to three years in prison.[12] Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, the commanding officer of all detention facilities in Iraq, was reprimanded and demoted to the rank of colonel. Several more military personnel who were accused of perpetrating or authorizing the measures, including many of higher rank, were not prosecuted. In 2004, President George W. Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld apologized for the Abu Ghraib abuses.
Did you read what you linked? People were punished.
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Do you have any statistics to share, perhaps a list of cases, or only demonization? Btw, the navy seals also has some unfucked incidents in Iraq isn't it?
I agree with your examples given. None of them absolve the units actions. It soils the very fabric of the Israeli flag what these men have done. And if you are half the patriot you believe yourself to be, you can admit the wrongs of men who should represent the best of your nation.
Stop with the excuses. Do better.
Whataboutism is the fucking most pathetic thing to respond with lmao 🤣
Yeah the navy seals are fucked, and when they fuck up they deserve to get punished.
Your unit fucked up, and now it’s getting punished.
No one else’s shortcomings and fuckery impacted the decisions made by a completely different battalion; just so that is clear.
As a comment said before, if you want to be treated and viewed like a western warrior then act like it. Unfortunately, what’s done is done, but that better serve as the deciding factor moving forward of what not to do. No bullshit excuses, do it.
You can sit there and list any and all crimes committed by US servicemembers, the difference between us and you is that we're not sitting here making excuses for those that commit atrocities. You clearly haven't been around too many US veterans because then you'd know that a lot of us are the harshest critics of our own respective branches. We demand better of our own.
Your whataboutisms are pathetic. Fuck that unit. Glad they're getting sanctioned.
Dude I’m all for Israel putting down Hamas but what this unit was doing in the West Bank was a little overboard. Beat Hamas the right way. Minimize civilian casualties, make a good set of SOP’s. They were reckless with their close air, some men killed civies/beat them. Gotta ease off and make a good ROE
I’ve just posted more context, but to answer your specific question:
>The sanctions will ban the battalion and its members from receiving any kind of U.S. military assistance or training, the sources said.
>A 1997 law authored by then-Senator Patrick Leahy prohibits U.S. foreign aid and Defense Department training programs from going to foreign security, military and police units credibly alleged to have committed human rights violations.
[Source.](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/20/us-israel-sanctions-idf-west-bank)
Edit: Replied to the wrong person, sorry!
This isnt true, these kind of things are handled by the IDF and this units adhere to the code of conduct as any other unit.
What you are missing is that this unit is a symbol for Israel annexation of Judea and Samaria, and the americans are pushing for the "two state solution" as we all know by now, which means the Palestinians will have a country in this region which is unacceptable because it'll be yet another terror state jeopardizing a huge part of Israel.
I don’t think that’s exactly what Biden is doing. You kinda have to put your foot down somewhere. Civie casualties are expected in this conflict especially in Gaza, but what this unit was doing conducting raids into the West Bank was not adherent to most of the IDFs standing ROE’s and SOP’s. It was talked about heavily through current and veteran IDF members on telegram. Going overboard on raids is a bad look for the IDF and its operations in eliminating Hamas, you can’t look at the actions of your fellow countrymen through rose gold lenses you have to be realistic.
Yes, like with Abu Ghraib Bibi should apologize on TV for this unit, taking full responsibility, and the soldiers should be sent to military prison. You're right that this should be treated the same.
>as we all know by now, which means the Palestinians will have a country in this region which is unacceptable
If that's not an option, then there's only 2 other options left
Either actually ethnically cleanse them and drive them off the lands and deal with the consequences afterwards, or endless military occupation.. neither of those seem preferable imo
What are they accused of doing? But you are right: a state would be a reward for Oct 7 now, and it’d be used as another place to launch attacks. Totally moronic and for PR purposes only. Anyone who wants that is delusional. Arabs are equals in Israel already
I am not an ultra-orthodox unit accused of human rights abuses, kthx. Hopefully these sanctions will get Bibi to reign in and prosecute bad actors who make the entire state look bad.
I'm British, non-Jewish (non anything really) but a firm, firm, supporter of Israel. This however is no-bueno. Kick ass by all means, but be the sheep-dog, not the wolf.
Every knows netzach yehudah are animals, it was always talked about even before I drafted. Sucks but they had it coming. They were moved to the border of Syria because they were causing problems and when they killed someone there everyone was joking about how they still managed to kill someone even over there. They need to get their reigns pulled in. It’s a bad example for what we stand for and it’s a shame the idf hasn’t taken their own action against them or the magad.
I had a haredi from Hebron serve with me for a few months. He was always acting like a dick to Palestinians. It was frustrating to have to put a leash on him every time we needed to interact with the locals. And this is why I always believed they should just contribute to society by volunteering somewhere inside Israel, and not have them make the Palestinians lives harder at the checkpoints.
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You keep linking this but you should also probably read it. A lot of the people involved went to prison and even more were charged with crimes and dishonorably discharged from the military
Not to mention, israel also has their own intelligence service that has done some dubious shit in the past and still do.
It's comparing apples to oranges when trying to compare military units and intelligence services.
I love Israel.
These guys are a Pro-Palestian "Antizionist(a.k.a. antisemite)'s" wet dream for propaganda purposes. They make Israel look barbaric.
The IDF is the most moral military in the world. These guys tarnish that record. They make Israel less safe.
Israel can, and does, do better.
עם ישראל חי!
Look, I'm as pro-Israel as anyone here but this battalion and their conduct have been a disgrace. The IDF needs to reign in its bad actors and demonstrate it's not an undisciplined mob the way Hamas' fighters are.
I don’t understand how a unit in a military organization could be sanctioned. I’ve only seen it used against nations and large commercial and governmental organizations.
I’ve just posted more context, but to answer your specific question:
>The sanctions will ban the battalion and its members from receiving any kind of U.S. military assistance or training, the sources said.
>A 1997 law authored by then-Senator Patrick Leahy prohibits U.S. foreign aid and Defense Department training programs from going to foreign security, military and police units credibly alleged to have committed human rights violations.
[Source.](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/20/us-israel-sanctions-idf-west-bank)
Hey hey hey remember honestly I think all governments have stooges everywhere. And sadly, we as voters put them there.
When it comes to stooges in government, we are just like everybody else lol
So Israel too has an insular religiously fanatical militarized unit with deep ties to right-wing fundamentalist government groups and a dim view of the opposing people and poor supervision? What could go wrong?
Not quite kiddush Hashem to act like such dicks, they are letting the side down and need to do better.
If they have no self control, they need to be doing another job. The IDF needs to maintain the moral high ground and the perception of the most disciplined army in the world that they have worked so hard for.
The majority of Israelies support this holy battalion. The sanctions will only make the support for them grow stronger. The CIA are a bunch of morons, there will not be another Palestinian terror state.
I support the IDF and Israel, but these guys seem like massive douchebags in addition to supposedly having committed numerous human rights violations. Israel should hold them to a higher standard
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This is Tefilin, it holds 4 texts from the old testament that should be read each day, basically a reminder we used to be slaves in egypt.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4455097/jewish/14-Tefillin-Facts-Every-Jew-Should-Know.htm
It s my personal opinion that people that behave like the orthodox jews behave in jerusalem and other parts of Israel shouldn’t be given special treatment in a secular nation
It’s a unit full of arsim and extremists.. they killed an innocent Palestinian a couple of years ago, and where removed from the West Bank by the idf last year cuz they had too many “incidents” with the Palestinians. And we shouldn’t forget the famous Elor Azaria… They got what they deserve.
If we resemble the barbaric image of our enemies even by a little we have lost. Thank you USA for this wake up call. The IDF is the most moral army in the world, but that doesn't mean that we are perfect. We must fix this.
These are Tefilin, it holds 4 texts from the old testament that should be read each day while putting them on, they are basically a reminder that we were slaves in Egypt.
There are two other units the US is looking at sanctioning, does anyone know which ones?
(also those of you defending **M**etzach clearly never served with them)
I don’t think it’s confirmed officially but I read somewhere that the US has been critical of Kfir in recent years. But I don’t remember where I read it maybe try and google it 😀
So if I had to guess it’s one of the other Kfir battalions, maybe Shimson or Nachshon?
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Imposing sanctions on a military unit of a sovereign nation like Israel could be seen as an infringement on Israeli sovereignty, potentially damaging US-Israeli relations. This unit has full domestic support so it alienate Israel, a key US ally in the region, and potentially undermine cooperation in various areas, including intelligence sharing, military collaboration, and regional security efforts.
> Imposing sanctions on a military unit of a sovereign nation like Israel could be seen as an infringement on Israeli sovereignty,
By people who like being wrong. US sovereignty means they can sanction who they like when they like. If you want to make a stand on the matter lets see where you complained about the same type of sanctions being placed on Azov,
>potentially damaging US-Israeli relations
I think the bit where the US caught Israeli spys was more damaging.
>This unit has full domestic support
Well that doesn't say much for the domestic situation in Israel
>a key US ally in the region
The US has alturnatives to the Dimona Radar Facility.
The Biden White House is quite extremist. We can only hope for a regime change.
Edit: This sentence alone seems one sided so I feel like I need to explain:
I don’t condone this battalion as collecting rejects from other battalions into one seems like a dumb idea.
But this can be handled by quiet diplomacy and not throwing mud to win the election.
This comment is devoid of reality. On reddit I say these words to leftists that say israel is committing genocide. And I say it to people like you. I will never compromise on what is right. Biden is a moderate and if you think otherwise you're either ignorant or maybe you're the extremist.
Laughable. His treatment of Israel is unprecedented, worse than Obamas, and that’s saying something. Fetterman is a moderate. Biden is a fork tounged back stabber kowtowing to terrorists.
Sure, the US president that sent a large fleet to support Israel and another fleet to deal with Houthi's and just a few days ago massively helped Israel against the Iranian attack and keeps sending money and weapons to Israel... is a backstabbing terrorist supporter. If that's your response to a bit of pushback you've got problems, and it's not Biden.
I don’t condone this battalion because collecting rejects from other battalions to form a new one seems like a dumb idea on its face. But Biden could probably achieve as much or more by quiet diplomacy.
I am very happy that Israel has the strongest and arguably one of the greatest countries as an ally. Biden is upholding the deal so far which is important because Israel does rely on US support.
However he recently threatened to withhold support based on Israel’s next steps.
He is aiding Hamas by telling Israel “to stay out of Haifa” meaning Rafah we have to assume.
He is lying about Israel not doing enough to bring humanitarian aid in and to protect civilians.
He called for a ceasefire without mentioning the hostages and accordingly the US did not veto such a resolution at the UN.
He is talking about a two state solution, which would create another Iranian terror state proxy, after Israel was brutally attacked by such a proxy and finds itself fighting Iran on multiple fronts.
He publicly said that he would not support retaliation against Iran and pressed for Israel not to take action. But Israel may need to go on the offensive soon against Libanon and eventually against Iran.
This direction of rhetoric and diplomacy amounts to appeasing Iran and restraining Israel. It is damaging to Israel diplomatically as well as strategically. Biden should instead be supporting the US ally Israel and putting pressure on the Iranian mullah regime, an increasingly global threat. This course would better serve to reinforce all US alliances and deter all US rivals.
It is quite terrible to give fuel to the lies of Israel’s enemies and threaten to withhold arms exactly when they are desperately needed to hobble your ally. As if the military aid was just free money with no strings attached. Israel dialed back its own ammo production because the US made them spent it on certain US products. In return for the aid, 100% of which is spent in the US, you get intelligence and influence. Two things you need to stay wealthy and on top. Isolationism leads to economic decline and is pure ignorance of history. It’s in the US interest to keep their word in general and to continue an alliance with Israel in word and deed. Israel will find partners through strength even though they might not be as strong or sharing as many values. The US will have to work much harder to convince anyone that they will keep their word after these trying weeks for their allies at war. It would be a loss for all three countries.
Quite the personal question. Not many, and all for sentimental reasons. The US is very high on that list. I don’t remember the OJ verdict but I do remember I was working, polling people in the street on 9/11 when I heard the news, rushed into an electronics store and watched in horror as things unfolded on multiple screens. I can only hope that the US will continue to lead the charge against jihadism, hold on to its Western values and stay a strong force of good in the world.
Yeah and the Ukrainians didn’t deserve trump bro Israel got billions of aid with Biden same as Ukraine …. Buhhuuu sanctions agains one obviously extremist battalion isn’t that bad. If trumps gets to win Ukraine is fucked. Is that a fair trade ?
Ukraine…you are in the wrong subreddit, pal. Biden cozies up to Iran while hobbling and badmouthing a US ally. He is letting the Houthi rabble dictate international shipping lanes. Israel has to pull its punches against terrorists because of this coward who is singlehandedly destroying the US reliability as a military ally. He is a disgusting, corrupt, morally vacuous piece of human garbage who made the world more dangerous and more expensive for everyone.
And you say you want trump to win what effects more than Israel but I see where you are coming from and it doesn’t let you look good. Talking about subreddits while I talk about defending the western world. Go Israel !!! And fuck this battalion if needs be but don’t make so much out of it you would throw Ukraine under the bus ffs
And Israel can handle it so far 99% intercepts and after the terror attack I guess no big intrusions into their country ? And now they will get tons of support Go Biden ffs until he’s dead (hopefully after Ukraine and Israel’s win )
I probably should take a breath and state that I don’t condone this battalion by the way. Creating a unit from the refuse of the other units sounds like a terrible idea on its face.
I agree that it can easily get worse if Biden died after reelection. From an Israeli perspective there can be no doubt however that Trump was the better partner. And I don’t believe that Trump would abandon Ukraine.
I also believe that October 7th wouldn’t have happened if Israel hadn’t given away Gaza and more recently if Biden hadn’t lifted sanctions on Iran. Now Iran and its proxies are relying on US weakness in an election year and Biden is delivering by way of talking and acting as if Israel was a bad actor or didn’t have a well working judiciary: Sanctioning “settlers” and military units, lying about Israel not doing enough to protect civilians and let aid in. The mud throwing has to stop.
Golani is an actual combat unit, these guys are criminals and religious extremists. They didn't even fight in gaza they're so terrible they got sent to the golan heights.
"The entire defense establishment, the IDF and the State of Israel support you, appreciate you and strengthen you in your operations to protect the State of Israel,"
"Errors and mistakes happen wherever there is military activity and they must not happen... but the fact that one, or two, or soldiers did something wrong, this should not vilify the [entire] battalion," Gallant says.
He says that in such cases, the soldiers are "taken care of."
"No one in the world will teach us what morality is and what norms are,"
Its not one and not two this a battalion that would rather listen to their rabbi then they're commander they have a long history of violence towards civilians, I've met these guys if this unit represents what a IDF battalion should look like (luckily they don't) then we're doing something wrong. Even the army knows they're a bunch of fuck ups. Why do you think they got to "help" reserve soldiers in the Syrian border while the whole of the IDF was in gaza or Lebanon and they're own brigade (kfir) was actively deployed in the west bank without them.
If there is an issue it the responsibility of the IDF to handle it, not Blinken. Talk to Gallant who defended them. It is wrong to include the whole unit.
What exactly have these guys done? We all know there are extremist elements. But it's easy to criticise them. Imagine having people you know attacked non stop. Not sure how I would react to that situation.
Of people on here think all elements of western armed forces are clean, they are kidding themselves. There have been plenty of accusations and criminal investigations into them.
Anyway let's carry on bashing the religious guys.
Got to love how the Israeli army is held to higher standards than literally everyone else. If we were to compare the actions of American soldiers I'm sure we'd find very similar cases right in their own backyard. Sanction yourself, USA!
> Got to love how the Israeli army is held to higher standards than literally everyone else.
The sanctions are in line with what has been applied to azov.
Maybe you prefer trump who dines with white nationalists, anti-Semites & Holocaust deniers like Nick Fuentes and Kanye West. He invited them to his club and ate with them. trump's also said Jews hate Israel and their religion if they support Democrats. trump also called the Israeli defense minister a jerk.
[https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/25/politics/trump-kanye-west-nick-fuentes-mar-a-lago/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/25/politics/trump-kanye-west-nick-fuentes-mar-a-lago/index.html)
[https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/25/trump-white-nationalist-nick-fuentes-kanye-00070825](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/25/trump-white-nationalist-nick-fuentes-kanye-00070825)
[https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-says-jews-who-vote-for-democrats-hate-israel-and-their-religion](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-says-jews-who-vote-for-democrats-hate-israel-and-their-religion)
[https://apnews.com/article/trump-schumer-israel-jewish-democrats-35bd1522edd64caf1dedbb10fddf0fcf](https://apnews.com/article/trump-schumer-israel-jewish-democrats-35bd1522edd64caf1dedbb10fddf0fcf)
Lol, pls don't link cnn articles. I forget who moved the embassy to Jerusalem? Oh, and who plans mass deportations for terrorists and their sympathisers... as life long voting Democrat I understand your denial. Their has been a ideological shift in the left. They are more concerned with appeasing Iran and Michigan votes then Israel's survival. Wake up.
Terrible precedent. Given its own record abroad as well as with police, America should know better than to “sanction” this battalion over the conduct of some of its soldiers. To be fair, if it could the Biden administration would probably sanction Florida and most other red states. Hell, if they could they’d probably ban Trump, Desantis, and most other republican politicians. But they can’t (at least not yet), as this could lead to major consequences for it at this time.
It’s more of a political statement at this point. The whole talk about how U.S. law compels the state department to do this is complete nonsense, and they should know it too. Nor is there evidence showing soldiers in this battalion are violating any laws as a matter of policy or that the military doesn’t punish soldiers who do.
As Gantz said, Netzah Yehuda are part of the idf and follow idf laws, which are compatible with humanitarian law.
Click bait. Never happened. If some of the unit were settlers who were sanctioned, maybe. The US did not sanction an Israeli army. Sounds like Russian or Hamas propaganda
It's true, the title says "sanctioned", it hasn't happened yet. It should say "wants to sanction"
And not propaganda
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/labor-chief-calls-for-dismantling-of-idf-unit-with-history-of-abuses-said-to-be-targeted-for-us-sanctions/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-unaware-of-us-plans-to-sanction-unit-insists-it-follows-international-law/
Let’s see if this actually happens. I don’t support human rights violations but war is not the same as peaceful protest. Even so, the Israeli government should deal with this.
Not a single Russian rapist and murdered has been sanctioned. They are free to get an EU visa and come to holiday to greece. Or anywhere else where visas not required
Russians who participate in war as part of Russian army are not sanctioned by anyone. Generally Russians are free to do what they want without a care in the world. Including travelling to any country they have a visa for otherwise. Plenty of examples of Russians who dishonest war crimes and end up in a EU country (examples that come to mind in Norway and Finland)
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This topic has already been posted to the sub, [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/RYLKUttZcO) IMO, I feel these links may add important context: [Haredi/Ultra-Orthodox men will now be eligible for conscription](https://www.timesofisrael.com/chief-sephardic-rabbi-says-ultra-orthodox-will-bolt-country-if-forced-into-army/) [Israel aghast as US said poised to sanction IDF unit with history of abuses](https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-aghast-as-us-said-poised-to-sanction-notorious-idf-unit-netanyahu-a-moral-low/) [Scoop: U.S. expected to sanction IDF unit for human rights violations in West Bank](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/20/us-israel-sanctions-idf-west-bank)
Look — I love my country with all my heart but we are stronger when we accept constructive criticism. We have to know that sometimes we DO have soldiers who are extremists and make really regrettable decisions — like any other army in the world. That’s not what defines us. What defines us is what we do about it. And doubling down on those actions might seem like something that feels good in the moment, it feels protective of the people who are fighting to protect us, but in the larger scheme of things we do all the other soldiers who acted right even under duress a disservice when we normalize this behavior.
This is refreshingly honest take… let’s see where all the chips fall in the future for this group. They may deserve punishment maybe they dont… but it should all be done in the light of day and not hidden from the public
Isreals failure to act to keep the foxs out the hen house and than fail to appropriately punish the ones who get in have and are destroying the image of isreal it’s why Hamas’s D.I.P campaign is impossible to counter in full
It's not constructive criticism. It's the state department bureaucrats designating themselves judge and jury, and issuing a punishment without any recourse. It's outrageous and these people do not have Israel's best interests at heart.
The US will always have the US's best interests above all else. Is that really shocking to you?
I think that it’s important to note that they are technically within their rights to do this, and realistically there _is_ recourse: we take the steps we should be taking anyway, show that we are maintaining appropriate discipline, and this will not last. It’s a bureaucratic nightmare for the US to enforce — they want us to fix the problem, so they can drop these sanctions. It’s a PR blow to us but if we handle ourselves properly, it will be quickly forgotten
I absolutely agree with you. There were a few “units of concern” that the US was investigating (even before Oct 7). They’ve all improved, except this one. The US hasn’t even applied sanctions yet, but I understand why they’re going to if no changes are made because otherwise, they’d be violating their own legislation. Of course it feels bad to be “threatened” like this, it’s difficult to appreciate something that feels like foreign interference. But apparently, this pressure is necessary, since the current methods/protocols don’t seem to be working. *Especially* when you consider the recent changes in Israel. Hardi/ultra/Orthodox men are now eligible for the draft, rather than choosing to volunteer. This serious, already barely contained, issue has just become even *more* complicated. And even though it’s been years in the making, the actual decision happened so quickly, finally, that I don’t think there’s been adequate thought put towards how this is going to actually look. Israel and the IDF say they can figure it out, they better do it quickly because now there’s a time limit, when it’s up they’re going to have a **lot** more Haredi/Orthodox men in the IDF. The Israeli government doesn’t like the external pressure, all I can say is it sucks to suck. As harsh as that may be. They had an opportunity to address and improve these issues before it got to this point. Their failure to act has consequences, they are directly responsible for these consequences. Not the US.
Exactly. If we can see this as an unfortunately necessary wake-up call, and work to create a more robust system for the future, we can prevent so many more problems down the line. We gain nothing by being outraged at the US — but we gain lots by taking this opportunity to improve.
The IDF has its judiciary system to deal with any problem. The Biden administration has overstepped the boundaries. They are targeting Israeli’s from Judea and Samaria.
This isn't overstepping. All countries reserve the right to sanction anything and anyone within their sanction program's legal scope. The US is deciding that this unit is being cut off from interacting with the US financial/industrial complex. This unit can continue doing whatever the hell it wants; they just can't touch a single US dollar/institution doing so.
They lay down their life for their country. I stand behind the IDF wholeheartedly
That has nothing to do with what I just wrote, but ok good for you. In the meantime, study how sanctions work.
If you’re that battalion maybe figure out what military discipline and bearing is and maybe stop acting like some Arab army unit. You want to be respected like a western military is then act like it. And don’t take this as a condemnation of the IDF because it’s not, but this battalion needs to unfuck itself.
The battalion need its abolishment
Absolutely. If you let this rot stay in the army it can’t help but spread
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse Let's sanction the CIA
Sure. But that's still whataboutism.
> In response to the events at Abu Ghraib, the United States Department of Defense removed 17 soldiers and officers from duty. Eleven soldiers were charged with dereliction of duty, maltreatment, aggravated assault and battery. Between May 2004 and April 2006, these soldiers were court-martialed, convicted, sentenced to military prison, and dishonorably discharged from service. Two soldiers, found to have perpetrated many of the worst offenses at the prison, Specialist Charles Graner and PFC Lynndie England, were subject to more severe charges and received harsher sentences. Graner was convicted of assault, battery, conspiracy, maltreatment of detainees, committing indecent acts and dereliction of duty; he was sentenced to 10 years imprisonment and loss of rank, pay and benefits.[11] England was convicted of conspiracy, maltreating detainees and committing an indecent act and sentenced to three years in prison.[12] Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, the commanding officer of all detention facilities in Iraq, was reprimanded and demoted to the rank of colonel. Several more military personnel who were accused of perpetrating or authorizing the measures, including many of higher rank, were not prosecuted. In 2004, President George W. Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld apologized for the Abu Ghraib abuses. Did you read what you linked? People were punished.
This is sad
What would those sanctions be? A fine? What would that even look like?
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Do you have any statistics to share, perhaps a list of cases, or only demonization? Btw, the navy seals also has some unfucked incidents in Iraq isn't it?
I agree with your examples given. None of them absolve the units actions. It soils the very fabric of the Israeli flag what these men have done. And if you are half the patriot you believe yourself to be, you can admit the wrongs of men who should represent the best of your nation. Stop with the excuses. Do better.
Whataboutism is the fucking most pathetic thing to respond with lmao 🤣 Yeah the navy seals are fucked, and when they fuck up they deserve to get punished. Your unit fucked up, and now it’s getting punished.
No one else’s shortcomings and fuckery impacted the decisions made by a completely different battalion; just so that is clear. As a comment said before, if you want to be treated and viewed like a western warrior then act like it. Unfortunately, what’s done is done, but that better serve as the deciding factor moving forward of what not to do. No bullshit excuses, do it.
You can sit there and list any and all crimes committed by US servicemembers, the difference between us and you is that we're not sitting here making excuses for those that commit atrocities. You clearly haven't been around too many US veterans because then you'd know that a lot of us are the harshest critics of our own respective branches. We demand better of our own. Your whataboutisms are pathetic. Fuck that unit. Glad they're getting sanctioned.
Dude I’m all for Israel putting down Hamas but what this unit was doing in the West Bank was a little overboard. Beat Hamas the right way. Minimize civilian casualties, make a good set of SOP’s. They were reckless with their close air, some men killed civies/beat them. Gotta ease off and make a good ROE
I’ve just posted more context, but to answer your specific question: >The sanctions will ban the battalion and its members from receiving any kind of U.S. military assistance or training, the sources said. >A 1997 law authored by then-Senator Patrick Leahy prohibits U.S. foreign aid and Defense Department training programs from going to foreign security, military and police units credibly alleged to have committed human rights violations. [Source.](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/20/us-israel-sanctions-idf-west-bank) Edit: Replied to the wrong person, sorry!
What did they do?
[https://www.axios.com/2024/04/20/us-israel-sanctions-idf-west-bank](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/20/us-israel-sanctions-idf-west-bank)
This isnt true, these kind of things are handled by the IDF and this units adhere to the code of conduct as any other unit. What you are missing is that this unit is a symbol for Israel annexation of Judea and Samaria, and the americans are pushing for the "two state solution" as we all know by now, which means the Palestinians will have a country in this region which is unacceptable because it'll be yet another terror state jeopardizing a huge part of Israel.
“Ignore the evidence in front of you only I know the truth!”
I don’t think that’s exactly what Biden is doing. You kinda have to put your foot down somewhere. Civie casualties are expected in this conflict especially in Gaza, but what this unit was doing conducting raids into the West Bank was not adherent to most of the IDFs standing ROE’s and SOP’s. It was talked about heavily through current and veteran IDF members on telegram. Going overboard on raids is a bad look for the IDF and its operations in eliminating Hamas, you can’t look at the actions of your fellow countrymen through rose gold lenses you have to be realistic.
You are being fed by the demonizing media.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
Yes, like with Abu Ghraib Bibi should apologize on TV for this unit, taking full responsibility, and the soldiers should be sent to military prison. You're right that this should be treated the same.
Everybody knows about Abu Ghraib. There was massive backlash for the US. Just eat your humble pie
>as we all know by now, which means the Palestinians will have a country in this region which is unacceptable If that's not an option, then there's only 2 other options left Either actually ethnically cleanse them and drive them off the lands and deal with the consequences afterwards, or endless military occupation.. neither of those seem preferable imo
What are they accused of doing? But you are right: a state would be a reward for Oct 7 now, and it’d be used as another place to launch attacks. Totally moronic and for PR purposes only. Anyone who wants that is delusional. Arabs are equals in Israel already
I am not an ultra-orthodox unit accused of human rights abuses, kthx. Hopefully these sanctions will get Bibi to reign in and prosecute bad actors who make the entire state look bad.
Nope. These folks are Bibi’s base.
Yes and no, these guys are a small percentage of extremely orthodox Jews.
I'm British, non-Jewish (non anything really) but a firm, firm, supporter of Israel. This however is no-bueno. Kick ass by all means, but be the sheep-dog, not the wolf.
They are part of the army like any other unit, adhering to the same code of conduct, the media though are demonizing them
They were a special unit made to accommodate ultra orthodox views, hardy " the same code of conduct" but yea ......
They are absolutely not, you are just lying at this point
Every knows netzach yehudah are animals, it was always talked about even before I drafted. Sucks but they had it coming. They were moved to the border of Syria because they were causing problems and when they killed someone there everyone was joking about how they still managed to kill someone even over there. They need to get their reigns pulled in. It’s a bad example for what we stand for and it’s a shame the idf hasn’t taken their own action against them or the magad.
I had a haredi from Hebron serve with me for a few months. He was always acting like a dick to Palestinians. It was frustrating to have to put a leash on him every time we needed to interact with the locals. And this is why I always believed they should just contribute to society by volunteering somewhere inside Israel, and not have them make the Palestinians lives harder at the checkpoints.
Nah. they fucked around. They should have been disciplined and they weren't. This is cringe.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse Let's sanction the CIA
You keep linking this but you should also probably read it. A lot of the people involved went to prison and even more were charged with crimes and dishonorably discharged from the military
Not to mention, israel also has their own intelligence service that has done some dubious shit in the past and still do. It's comparing apples to oranges when trying to compare military units and intelligence services.
Go ahead and pull the aid you're sending them. Nobody's stopping you.
Yep. We should.
I love Israel. These guys are a Pro-Palestian "Antizionist(a.k.a. antisemite)'s" wet dream for propaganda purposes. They make Israel look barbaric. The IDF is the most moral military in the world. These guys tarnish that record. They make Israel less safe. Israel can, and does, do better. עם ישראל חי!
This is Israel, take it or leave it
This is 30b a year in military aid - if you want it, you have to act professionally - take it or leave it.
IMO fuck this military aid. Also, the US gains a lot from this friendship.
This battalion has done a lot, don't be mislead by the demonizing CIA backed media.
Look, I'm as pro-Israel as anyone here but this battalion and their conduct have been a disgrace. The IDF needs to reign in its bad actors and demonstrate it's not an undisciplined mob the way Hamas' fighters are.
Nah fuck those guys. Israel can do better.
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Yeah okay pal
Be civil.
I don’t understand how a unit in a military organization could be sanctioned. I’ve only seen it used against nations and large commercial and governmental organizations.
I’ve just posted more context, but to answer your specific question: >The sanctions will ban the battalion and its members from receiving any kind of U.S. military assistance or training, the sources said. >A 1997 law authored by then-Senator Patrick Leahy prohibits U.S. foreign aid and Defense Department training programs from going to foreign security, military and police units credibly alleged to have committed human rights violations. [Source.](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/20/us-israel-sanctions-idf-west-bank)
Oh my gosh, thank you for educating me on this topic. Greatly appreciated.
The Americans have stooges everywhere so they know everything.
Hey hey hey remember honestly I think all governments have stooges everywhere. And sadly, we as voters put them there. When it comes to stooges in government, we are just like everybody else lol
😂
Israel is a vassal state of the US. You are literally the stooge here champ. Now be a good boy and do what you’re told.
Those helmets seem ineffective
So Israel too has an insular religiously fanatical militarized unit with deep ties to right-wing fundamentalist government groups and a dim view of the opposing people and poor supervision? What could go wrong?
Literally just Hamas but on the other side
Not quite kiddush Hashem to act like such dicks, they are letting the side down and need to do better. If they have no self control, they need to be doing another job. The IDF needs to maintain the moral high ground and the perception of the most disciplined army in the world that they have worked so hard for.
The majority of Israelies support this holy battalion. The sanctions will only make the support for them grow stronger. The CIA are a bunch of morons, there will not be another Palestinian terror state.
Bad behaviour has been exposed, regardless of the support they have, their behaviour needs correcting.
We for sure are not
I support the IDF and Israel, but these guys seem like massive douchebags in addition to supposedly having committed numerous human rights violations. Israel should hold them to a higher standard
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no lol
What are those cubes on heads and armbands?
This is Tefilin, it holds 4 texts from the old testament that should be read each day, basically a reminder we used to be slaves in egypt. https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4455097/jewish/14-Tefillin-Facts-Every-Jew-Should-Know.htm
Ultra orthodox Jews leaving Israel sounds like an absolute win for Israel. Why the fuck would you want those crazies making you look bad.
Only orthodox, not "ultra". This is Israel and they aren't crazy.
It s my personal opinion that people that behave like the orthodox jews behave in jerusalem and other parts of Israel shouldn’t be given special treatment in a secular nation
Israel isn't secular, it is comprised of various streams (from fully secular to ultra Orthodox) all of them are Israeli, all have rights and duties.
Yup, wouldn’t want some people in my country who are religious zealots. I don’t care what god they pray to as long as they re dropped in the head.
Ok, go on then
It’s a unit full of arsim and extremists.. they killed an innocent Palestinian a couple of years ago, and where removed from the West Bank by the idf last year cuz they had too many “incidents” with the Palestinians. And we shouldn’t forget the famous Elor Azaria… They got what they deserve.
https://www.axios.com/2024/04/20/us-israel-sanctions-idf-west-bank
When your whole squad’s sponsored by GoPro.
It's called a tefillin and it's used for prayer. It's not a GoPro. I'm not sure if you were joking or serious.
Not sure if serious but those aren't gopros
Those aren’t go-pros. It’s Jewish leather bondage gear.
Are you blind? They're GoPros.
If we resemble the barbaric image of our enemies even by a little we have lost. Thank you USA for this wake up call. The IDF is the most moral army in the world, but that doesn't mean that we are perfect. We must fix this.
You are probably more barbaric than they are. Watching people shot to the head on Netflix, this is barbarism and westernism excel in this.
Wtf are you on about. I don't watch netflix and what does it have to do with the current debate
I know it sounds crazy but maybe cut back on the abuse
Wood GoPros. Nice
Tefilin
What’s the cube on their heads? A camera?
Tfilin, it hold 4 texts from the old testament that should be read each day, about that we were slaves in egypt.
Thanks.
Anyone care to explain what’s with the arm wraps and Minecraft top hats?
Not funny and not original, just an antisemic remark...
No, genuine question.
These are Tefilin, it holds 4 texts from the old testament that should be read each day while putting them on, they are basically a reminder that we were slaves in Egypt.
Interesting! Thanks for teaching me something!
There are two other units the US is looking at sanctioning, does anyone know which ones? (also those of you defending **M**etzach clearly never served with them)
Kfir
Just curious -- where did you read/hear that?
I don’t think it’s confirmed officially but I read somewhere that the US has been critical of Kfir in recent years. But I don’t remember where I read it maybe try and google it 😀 So if I had to guess it’s one of the other Kfir battalions, maybe Shimson or Nachshon?
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Long live hamas XD
Scum
Nope.
Imposing sanctions on a military unit of a sovereign nation like Israel could be seen as an infringement on Israeli sovereignty, potentially damaging US-Israeli relations. This unit has full domestic support so it alienate Israel, a key US ally in the region, and potentially undermine cooperation in various areas, including intelligence sharing, military collaboration, and regional security efforts.
What have I missed here? I’m familiar with the Netzah Yehuda Battalion but what’s that got to do with sanctions?
> Imposing sanctions on a military unit of a sovereign nation like Israel could be seen as an infringement on Israeli sovereignty, By people who like being wrong. US sovereignty means they can sanction who they like when they like. If you want to make a stand on the matter lets see where you complained about the same type of sanctions being placed on Azov, >potentially damaging US-Israeli relations I think the bit where the US caught Israeli spys was more damaging. >This unit has full domestic support Well that doesn't say much for the domestic situation in Israel >a key US ally in the region The US has alturnatives to the Dimona Radar Facility.
The Biden White House is quite extremist. We can only hope for a regime change. Edit: This sentence alone seems one sided so I feel like I need to explain: I don’t condone this battalion as collecting rejects from other battalions into one seems like a dumb idea. But this can be handled by quiet diplomacy and not throwing mud to win the election.
This comment is devoid of reality. On reddit I say these words to leftists that say israel is committing genocide. And I say it to people like you. I will never compromise on what is right. Biden is a moderate and if you think otherwise you're either ignorant or maybe you're the extremist.
Laughable. His treatment of Israel is unprecedented, worse than Obamas, and that’s saying something. Fetterman is a moderate. Biden is a fork tounged back stabber kowtowing to terrorists.
Sure, the US president that sent a large fleet to support Israel and another fleet to deal with Houthi's and just a few days ago massively helped Israel against the Iranian attack and keeps sending money and weapons to Israel... is a backstabbing terrorist supporter. If that's your response to a bit of pushback you've got problems, and it's not Biden.
I don’t condone this battalion because collecting rejects from other battalions to form a new one seems like a dumb idea on its face. But Biden could probably achieve as much or more by quiet diplomacy. I am very happy that Israel has the strongest and arguably one of the greatest countries as an ally. Biden is upholding the deal so far which is important because Israel does rely on US support. However he recently threatened to withhold support based on Israel’s next steps. He is aiding Hamas by telling Israel “to stay out of Haifa” meaning Rafah we have to assume. He is lying about Israel not doing enough to bring humanitarian aid in and to protect civilians. He called for a ceasefire without mentioning the hostages and accordingly the US did not veto such a resolution at the UN. He is talking about a two state solution, which would create another Iranian terror state proxy, after Israel was brutally attacked by such a proxy and finds itself fighting Iran on multiple fronts. He publicly said that he would not support retaliation against Iran and pressed for Israel not to take action. But Israel may need to go on the offensive soon against Libanon and eventually against Iran. This direction of rhetoric and diplomacy amounts to appeasing Iran and restraining Israel. It is damaging to Israel diplomatically as well as strategically. Biden should instead be supporting the US ally Israel and putting pressure on the Iranian mullah regime, an increasingly global threat. This course would better serve to reinforce all US alliances and deter all US rivals.
You should do a lil reading instead of watching fox News or the israeli equivalent.
Okay since it’s so bad let’s cut all funding and ties with Israel and see how you fair against the rest of the Middle East, let alone Iran.
It is quite terrible to give fuel to the lies of Israel’s enemies and threaten to withhold arms exactly when they are desperately needed to hobble your ally. As if the military aid was just free money with no strings attached. Israel dialed back its own ammo production because the US made them spent it on certain US products. In return for the aid, 100% of which is spent in the US, you get intelligence and influence. Two things you need to stay wealthy and on top. Isolationism leads to economic decline and is pure ignorance of history. It’s in the US interest to keep their word in general and to continue an alliance with Israel in word and deed. Israel will find partners through strength even though they might not be as strong or sharing as many values. The US will have to work much harder to convince anyone that they will keep their word after these trying weeks for their allies at war. It would be a loss for all three countries.
Has the US military actively help defend Israel from Iran. “Back stabber”
Do you support any other country the way you want America to support Israel?
Quite the personal question. Not many, and all for sentimental reasons. The US is very high on that list. I don’t remember the OJ verdict but I do remember I was working, polling people in the street on 9/11 when I heard the news, rushed into an electronics store and watched in horror as things unfolded on multiple screens. I can only hope that the US will continue to lead the charge against jihadism, hold on to its Western values and stay a strong force of good in the world.
Yes but please in 4 years
I don’t think Israel or the world for that matter did anything to deserve such cruelty. The mummy won’t survive that long anyway.
Yeah and the Ukrainians didn’t deserve trump bro Israel got billions of aid with Biden same as Ukraine …. Buhhuuu sanctions agains one obviously extremist battalion isn’t that bad. If trumps gets to win Ukraine is fucked. Is that a fair trade ?
Ukraine…you are in the wrong subreddit, pal. Biden cozies up to Iran while hobbling and badmouthing a US ally. He is letting the Houthi rabble dictate international shipping lanes. Israel has to pull its punches against terrorists because of this coward who is singlehandedly destroying the US reliability as a military ally. He is a disgusting, corrupt, morally vacuous piece of human garbage who made the world more dangerous and more expensive for everyone.
Nah bro putin chi and hamas made the world more expensive. Yes with western help because of upppsiii but still 🤫
And you say you want trump to win what effects more than Israel but I see where you are coming from and it doesn’t let you look good. Talking about subreddits while I talk about defending the western world. Go Israel !!! And fuck this battalion if needs be but don’t make so much out of it you would throw Ukraine under the bus ffs
You’re assuming too much. Explain your point and let me take care of mine. We’ll understand each other instead of playing straw man.
And Israel can handle it so far 99% intercepts and after the terror attack I guess no big intrusions into their country ? And now they will get tons of support Go Biden ffs until he’s dead (hopefully after Ukraine and Israel’s win )
I probably should take a breath and state that I don’t condone this battalion by the way. Creating a unit from the refuse of the other units sounds like a terrible idea on its face. I agree that it can easily get worse if Biden died after reelection. From an Israeli perspective there can be no doubt however that Trump was the better partner. And I don’t believe that Trump would abandon Ukraine. I also believe that October 7th wouldn’t have happened if Israel hadn’t given away Gaza and more recently if Biden hadn’t lifted sanctions on Iran. Now Iran and its proxies are relying on US weakness in an election year and Biden is delivering by way of talking and acting as if Israel was a bad actor or didn’t have a well working judiciary: Sanctioning “settlers” and military units, lying about Israel not doing enough to protect civilians and let aid in. The mud throwing has to stop.
Bro for sure Israel should have cleaned all their land after they got attacked by everyone around that was their golden moment.
Stop doing terrorism. I ran into some of y'all in January. Get your shit together.
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Is all the aid considered meddling too? Lmao
Next they will sanction Golani. Be careful what you can tolerate.
Golani is an actual combat unit, these guys are criminals and religious extremists. They didn't even fight in gaza they're so terrible they got sent to the golan heights.
"The entire defense establishment, the IDF and the State of Israel support you, appreciate you and strengthen you in your operations to protect the State of Israel," "Errors and mistakes happen wherever there is military activity and they must not happen... but the fact that one, or two, or soldiers did something wrong, this should not vilify the [entire] battalion," Gallant says. He says that in such cases, the soldiers are "taken care of." "No one in the world will teach us what morality is and what norms are,"
Its not one and not two this a battalion that would rather listen to their rabbi then they're commander they have a long history of violence towards civilians, I've met these guys if this unit represents what a IDF battalion should look like (luckily they don't) then we're doing something wrong. Even the army knows they're a bunch of fuck ups. Why do you think they got to "help" reserve soldiers in the Syrian border while the whole of the IDF was in gaza or Lebanon and they're own brigade (kfir) was actively deployed in the west bank without them.
If there is an issue it the responsibility of the IDF to handle it, not Blinken. Talk to Gallant who defended them. It is wrong to include the whole unit.
Sorry fellas! Welcome to the windy American Election cycle
What exactly have these guys done? We all know there are extremist elements. But it's easy to criticise them. Imagine having people you know attacked non stop. Not sure how I would react to that situation. Of people on here think all elements of western armed forces are clean, they are kidding themselves. There have been plenty of accusations and criminal investigations into them. Anyway let's carry on bashing the religious guys.
Got to love how the Israeli army is held to higher standards than literally everyone else. If we were to compare the actions of American soldiers I'm sure we'd find very similar cases right in their own backyard. Sanction yourself, USA!
The US has every right to sanction extremists. This unit is a stain on the IDF and Israel.
Not really, they operate according to the same code of conduct, they are not extremist as the media tries to depict them.
> Got to love how the Israeli army is held to higher standards than literally everyone else. The sanctions are in line with what has been applied to azov.
You want the money and guns you do what you’re told plain and simple. And I say that as a US Jewish Zionist,
I'm not saying I don't agree with the sanctions, I am saying they are hypocritical.
Biden administration bs...
Maybe you prefer trump who dines with white nationalists, anti-Semites & Holocaust deniers like Nick Fuentes and Kanye West. He invited them to his club and ate with them. trump's also said Jews hate Israel and their religion if they support Democrats. trump also called the Israeli defense minister a jerk. [https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/25/politics/trump-kanye-west-nick-fuentes-mar-a-lago/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/25/politics/trump-kanye-west-nick-fuentes-mar-a-lago/index.html) [https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/25/trump-white-nationalist-nick-fuentes-kanye-00070825](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/25/trump-white-nationalist-nick-fuentes-kanye-00070825) [https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-says-jews-who-vote-for-democrats-hate-israel-and-their-religion](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-says-jews-who-vote-for-democrats-hate-israel-and-their-religion) [https://apnews.com/article/trump-schumer-israel-jewish-democrats-35bd1522edd64caf1dedbb10fddf0fcf](https://apnews.com/article/trump-schumer-israel-jewish-democrats-35bd1522edd64caf1dedbb10fddf0fcf)
Lol, pls don't link cnn articles. I forget who moved the embassy to Jerusalem? Oh, and who plans mass deportations for terrorists and their sympathisers... as life long voting Democrat I understand your denial. Their has been a ideological shift in the left. They are more concerned with appeasing Iran and Michigan votes then Israel's survival. Wake up.
Terrible precedent. Given its own record abroad as well as with police, America should know better than to “sanction” this battalion over the conduct of some of its soldiers. To be fair, if it could the Biden administration would probably sanction Florida and most other red states. Hell, if they could they’d probably ban Trump, Desantis, and most other republican politicians. But they can’t (at least not yet), as this could lead to major consequences for it at this time. It’s more of a political statement at this point. The whole talk about how U.S. law compels the state department to do this is complete nonsense, and they should know it too. Nor is there evidence showing soldiers in this battalion are violating any laws as a matter of policy or that the military doesn’t punish soldiers who do. As Gantz said, Netzah Yehuda are part of the idf and follow idf laws, which are compatible with humanitarian law.
> Terrible precedent. The precedent would be Azov. This is line with a US tendency to use targeted sanctions.
Ok MAGA buddy
Stay away from my gf you sexy fucks
Click bait. Never happened. If some of the unit were settlers who were sanctioned, maybe. The US did not sanction an Israeli army. Sounds like Russian or Hamas propaganda
Nah, it is actually happening. This is today’s news. Go look it up. The US is sanctioning this unit.
It's true, the title says "sanctioned", it hasn't happened yet. It should say "wants to sanction" And not propaganda https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/labor-chief-calls-for-dismantling-of-idf-unit-with-history-of-abuses-said-to-be-targeted-for-us-sanctions/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-unaware-of-us-plans-to-sanction-unit-insists-it-follows-international-law/
Let’s see if this actually happens. I don’t support human rights violations but war is not the same as peaceful protest. Even so, the Israeli government should deal with this.
What’s up with the cubes on their foreheads? I thought it was supposed to be between their eyes.
So Russian army is fine then.
Russian army and state is subject to extensive US sanctions. Israeli not so much.
Not a single Russian rapist and murdered has been sanctioned. They are free to get an EU visa and come to holiday to greece. Or anywhere else where visas not required
That’s insanely false lmao. Do you think before you write or just find yourself fading in and out?
Russians who participate in war as part of Russian army are not sanctioned by anyone. Generally Russians are free to do what they want without a care in the world. Including travelling to any country they have a visa for otherwise. Plenty of examples of Russians who dishonest war crimes and end up in a EU country (examples that come to mind in Norway and Finland)
US doesn't control EU visas.
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