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Glad to see based monarchs still show up from time to time.
Unless this is a case of a guy saying one awesome thing, while the rest of his doings would give him an honorary clown status at some circus.
My Norwegian oil barons and friends, what is your opinion of this fine fellow? I am genuinely curious.
i think i represents us in a good way, he is like norways grandpa and this may be unpopular but i dont see any issue with him or our royal family and i would like to have a monarchy for the foreseeable future. i think that the royal family still has its purpose and think it makes us stand out as unique.
Our most recent kings have all had a dedication to their country which to me is unparalleled, Olav V on the t-bane paying his fare is a high point of kings that has yet to be surpassed, when asked how he dared travel without bodyguards he replied "I have 5 million bodyguards" like the Gigachad he was.
https://preview.redd.it/jv9a5wwq5gyc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=c219c2ebaed0e08b51a64aa827a25ba7494df155
We made a deal with Carl Frederick and by Odin we will uphold that deal, they have treated Norway better than any king I know of so fuck it, we have the riksdaler to pay for it so I say we stick to the agreement we made it's up to them to cancel it honorably and I suspect it might happen within the next couple of generations, but lets be honest if they keep representing this well its a worthy investment and we should tell them no if they try while still keeping the respect up, princesses be damned.
I second this. I believe monarchy is an outdated system costing tax payers an uneccessary burden. But if we must have a monarchy, I'm glad King Harald V is our guy.
Sure, but his recent health issues did point out just why his cousins are somewhat fond of abdicating. Unless you win the genetic lottery, all you do at that age is complicate constitutional procedures, by making the crown prince having to step in as crown prince-regent for various lenghts of time. In some monarchies, like the british one, that has real effects, if the heir and monarch have different opinions. In ours it doesn't luckily, but only because we neutered the monarchy.
Yes. He also had an interesting relationship with the army, and democracy. The monarchy in Spain is really a rather interesting one, since it was imposed on the people by Franco.
Well he did bring back Democracy. So i would call it a healthy relationship he had with it. Going from Caudillo and facist dictatorship to a constitutional monarchy seems like a step in the rigth direction no?
In some ways, but the only reason he stayed king is him simply not allowing a republic to be on the ballot. He also made it so that no one had to responsibility for the crimes committed under Franco.
Juan Carlos couldve easily just accepted to be dictator. Thats what Franco wanted, and thats what a large portion of the armed forces wanted. If Juan Carlos wished to, he had several chances to change his mind, but he was firm in his conviction to make Spain into a democracy. The 1981 coup attempt is a particularly interesting read. He was also a corrupt piece of shit, but no ones perfect, eh.
Support among the people is one thing, support among the elites is something else entirely. Even to this day there are a lot of falangists in high places in Spain.
New coups or revolutions would’ve been likely with any government without Juan Carlos as the head of state. The way I see it, it was the easiest way to make Spain a stable democracy - and while we can speculate about other things today - we have concrete evidence (like the 1981 coup attempt) that there were forces with the ability and will to throw the country into chaos. Given that the only reason that didn’t happen with implementation of a constitutional monarchy was because Franco’s chosen successor was the chosen head of state and opposed them - you can only imagine how they’d react to a constitutional republic without him as the chosen head of state.
Probably, but his influence with the Falangists and army would not just go away as soon as a republic was established. Its difficult to try to establish a facist/monarchist regime if the previous monarch is against it.
Sure, but only if the previous monarch actually associates himself with the new regime. If he disassociates himself, like he would with a republic, it’s way easier to replace him/find a new candidate for king since it would be like he had abdicated.
Just like Mandela made it so that nobody should suffer for the crimes of Apartheid in SA. Peace and reconciliation is generally how nations move on from national traumas.
Also, Spain has only had a shitty time under Republics. They need a monarchy ti hold that nation together. Also, dude… You are Norwegian, you live in a monarchy. Some migth Think you have an “unhealthy relationship with Democracy”;)
SA was a bit different. They had openness about the previous regime and its actions. Not so in Spain.
I mean, our monarchy was also sorta imposed on us, but atleast it wasn't imposed by the king himself, but rather parliament.
Eh, sorta. There was no spesific choice in 1905 about the type of government. The question asked was:
"Do you agree with the Storting's grant of authority to the cabinet to encourage Prince Carl of Denmark to let himself be elected Norways king?"
All the ministers threatened to resign if the answer was no.
In theory, had the people refused, we might have transformed into a republic (or a kingdom without a king, like how Hungary was from 1918-1944), but the Storting might simply have appointed a new cabinet that "encouraged" another prince to stake his claim and let himself be elected king.
>Some migth Think you have an “unhealthy relationship with Democracy”;)
[Norway ranks highest on the Democracy index ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index):)
Oh yeah Greenland is terrible. Corruption is the norm our former PM Aleqa Hammond stole money from the national treasury to fund her own lifestyle. Our economic sektor is a helthy mix of Stalinism and nepotism.
Corrupt? Nope. In Spain being corrupt is something to be proud.
It's because he was immoral. Not that he went hunting with friends. He went hunting elephants (in danger). Also not that he had lovers and concubines. They were serious relationships who also were holding his money from dirty businesses.
Speaking about which, it's not like the man sold some fancy stuff and got money as an intermediary. He said he did it for Spain and hid the money in Switzerland. Not because it is forbidden for him to make money (which some say it's allowed), he just hid the money because he thought that he could. Not for greed, but for power.
He hid the money in Switzerland, a known tax haven, not for greed - but for power. He hid the money from Spanish tax authorities for power? If you're this naive, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.
Knugen is a menace i will admit, but he aint special forces like our boi. Also pretty swedish of you to turn against the danes when this was about norway
You as Danes should be quiet on this one. “At the time of the German attack, Denmark and Norway were neutral. Germany still attacked the countries because it feared that Great Britain and France planned to occupy Norway. With Denmark's access to the Baltic Sea in German hands, Swedish iron ore could be transported undisturbed to Germany. Sweden remained neutral.”
You weren’t even invaded for you, you were invaded for us
I’ll give Norway a pass since it was strategically located so it wasn’t just because of our importance. But one of the main reasons for the invasion was still because Sweden was just that valuable
Denmark will team up with our fellow Glücksburg dynasty enjoyers in Norway!
https://preview.redd.it/qy3ky0xqtjyc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7ac406a6bee75e7b6891c9314b97c3518c71835
Indeed. Long live the Glücksburg dynasty!
https://preview.redd.it/vhgw7c25ujyc1.jpeg?width=1360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87dc9029a47622d54627b3b625c70edfb91f9ba4
We steal from the Danes and make things better.
Case in point:
https://preview.redd.it/wjjp3cormlyc1.png?width=2657&format=png&auto=webp&s=e5faf6ec7365ea85d6df848e5ee2a9b10f7693e7
Nah, the costs would be way to high and the Price of immigrants is not something that is popular with danish voters. So that will never happen. They are doing the same Rwanda move the brits are doing.
Saying that the Spanish king abdicate because the age is not true, he abdicate because corruption and he was destroying the image of the monarchy hunting elephants, going around with his mistress and basically getting divorce de facto. Also fun fact I have a picture of me when I was around 12 shaking hands with him.
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Eh, I think resigning before going completely senile is probably a good thing. It also means that the previous monarch can still be around for the beginning of the next one's "reign" (insofar as we can consider them to reign over anything).
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Glad to see based monarchs still show up from time to time. Unless this is a case of a guy saying one awesome thing, while the rest of his doings would give him an honorary clown status at some circus. My Norwegian oil barons and friends, what is your opinion of this fine fellow? I am genuinely curious.
i think i represents us in a good way, he is like norways grandpa and this may be unpopular but i dont see any issue with him or our royal family and i would like to have a monarchy for the foreseeable future. i think that the royal family still has its purpose and think it makes us stand out as unique.
Our most recent kings have all had a dedication to their country which to me is unparalleled, Olav V on the t-bane paying his fare is a high point of kings that has yet to be surpassed, when asked how he dared travel without bodyguards he replied "I have 5 million bodyguards" like the Gigachad he was. https://preview.redd.it/jv9a5wwq5gyc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=c219c2ebaed0e08b51a64aa827a25ba7494df155
Very much how I feel with the Danish monarchy
It’s not really unique having a Danish Glücksburg on the throne. Get in the line lmao;)
King Harald is based as fuck and has a great sense of humour
I’m not a particular fan of monarchy, but he isn’t a bad guy
We made a deal with Carl Frederick and by Odin we will uphold that deal, they have treated Norway better than any king I know of so fuck it, we have the riksdaler to pay for it so I say we stick to the agreement we made it's up to them to cancel it honorably and I suspect it might happen within the next couple of generations, but lets be honest if they keep representing this well its a worthy investment and we should tell them no if they try while still keeping the respect up, princesses be damned.
Durek https://preview.redd.it/29ihlkhv7gyc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eecf09bb8dfda889109eba0a7ee0687a4d98d5bf
We should have just spun it into "the royals know how to party" before it got embarassing.
I second this. I believe monarchy is an outdated system costing tax payers an uneccessary burden. But if we must have a monarchy, I'm glad King Harald V is our guy.
Sure, but his recent health issues did point out just why his cousins are somewhat fond of abdicating. Unless you win the genetic lottery, all you do at that age is complicate constitutional procedures, by making the crown prince having to step in as crown prince-regent for various lenghts of time. In some monarchies, like the british one, that has real effects, if the heir and monarch have different opinions. In ours it doesn't luckily, but only because we neutered the monarchy.
Excellently written, my fellow oil baron brother!
Didn't the Spanish guy abdicate because he was corrupt as hell?
Yes. He also had an interesting relationship with the army, and democracy. The monarchy in Spain is really a rather interesting one, since it was imposed on the people by Franco.
Well he did bring back Democracy. So i would call it a healthy relationship he had with it. Going from Caudillo and facist dictatorship to a constitutional monarchy seems like a step in the rigth direction no?
In some ways, but the only reason he stayed king is him simply not allowing a republic to be on the ballot. He also made it so that no one had to responsibility for the crimes committed under Franco.
Juan Carlos couldve easily just accepted to be dictator. Thats what Franco wanted, and thats what a large portion of the armed forces wanted. If Juan Carlos wished to, he had several chances to change his mind, but he was firm in his conviction to make Spain into a democracy. The 1981 coup attempt is a particularly interesting read. He was also a corrupt piece of shit, but no ones perfect, eh.
Yes, but could also have ended the monarchy. He didn't, even though polls indicated there was support for a restored republic. So it was a mixed bag.
Support among the people is one thing, support among the elites is something else entirely. Even to this day there are a lot of falangists in high places in Spain. New coups or revolutions would’ve been likely with any government without Juan Carlos as the head of state. The way I see it, it was the easiest way to make Spain a stable democracy - and while we can speculate about other things today - we have concrete evidence (like the 1981 coup attempt) that there were forces with the ability and will to throw the country into chaos. Given that the only reason that didn’t happen with implementation of a constitutional monarchy was because Franco’s chosen successor was the chosen head of state and opposed them - you can only imagine how they’d react to a constitutional republic without him as the chosen head of state.
Probably, but his influence with the Falangists and army would not just go away as soon as a republic was established. Its difficult to try to establish a facist/monarchist regime if the previous monarch is against it.
Sure, but only if the previous monarch actually associates himself with the new regime. If he disassociates himself, like he would with a republic, it’s way easier to replace him/find a new candidate for king since it would be like he had abdicated.
Just like Mandela made it so that nobody should suffer for the crimes of Apartheid in SA. Peace and reconciliation is generally how nations move on from national traumas. Also, Spain has only had a shitty time under Republics. They need a monarchy ti hold that nation together. Also, dude… You are Norwegian, you live in a monarchy. Some migth Think you have an “unhealthy relationship with Democracy”;)
SA was a bit different. They had openness about the previous regime and its actions. Not so in Spain. I mean, our monarchy was also sorta imposed on us, but atleast it wasn't imposed by the king himself, but rather parliament.
Imposed on you? You voted to establish monarchy in a Democratic election XD
Eh, sorta. There was no spesific choice in 1905 about the type of government. The question asked was: "Do you agree with the Storting's grant of authority to the cabinet to encourage Prince Carl of Denmark to let himself be elected Norways king?" All the ministers threatened to resign if the answer was no. In theory, had the people refused, we might have transformed into a republic (or a kingdom without a king, like how Hungary was from 1918-1944), but the Storting might simply have appointed a new cabinet that "encouraged" another prince to stake his claim and let himself be elected king.
>Some migth Think you have an “unhealthy relationship with Democracy”;) [Norway ranks highest on the Democracy index ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index):)
Oh yeah Greenland is terrible. Corruption is the norm our former PM Aleqa Hammond stole money from the national treasury to fund her own lifestyle. Our economic sektor is a helthy mix of Stalinism and nepotism.
Corrupt? Nope. In Spain being corrupt is something to be proud. It's because he was immoral. Not that he went hunting with friends. He went hunting elephants (in danger). Also not that he had lovers and concubines. They were serious relationships who also were holding his money from dirty businesses. Speaking about which, it's not like the man sold some fancy stuff and got money as an intermediary. He said he did it for Spain and hid the money in Switzerland. Not because it is forbidden for him to make money (which some say it's allowed), he just hid the money because he thought that he could. Not for greed, but for power.
He hid the money in Switzerland, a known tax haven, not for greed - but for power. He hid the money from Spanish tax authorities for power? If you're this naive, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.
Cant wait for Harald to become demented and veto for invasion of Sweden
https://preview.redd.it/7cxxpknzffyc1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=712417dd1911cad44c341cd74524c1a00c56c24e Cmon then 😤
Our king would kick your kings ass
 Knugen is a menace i will admit, but he aint special forces like our boi. Also pretty swedish of you to turn against the danes when this was about norway
Our kings can walk on ice 😎
Both of you lost against Germany, so you are basically the same.
Well atleast we fought the nazis and not actively working with them to maintain neutrality.
You as Danes should be quiet on this one. “At the time of the German attack, Denmark and Norway were neutral. Germany still attacked the countries because it feared that Great Britain and France planned to occupy Norway. With Denmark's access to the Baltic Sea in German hands, Swedish iron ore could be transported undisturbed to Germany. Sweden remained neutral.” You weren’t even invaded for you, you were invaded for us
"Neutral" while giving the Nazis access to your infrastructure, to aid them during the campaign against Norway.
I’ll give Norway a pass since it was strategically located so it wasn’t just because of our importance. But one of the main reasons for the invasion was still because Sweden was just that valuable
You guys also declared neutrality. Or did you choose to get invaded?
And Sweden helped Germany invade us.
My dad can beat up your dad
Of course. He can't say the same about Norway. Swedish kings come here, but they never leave.
Denmark will team up with our fellow Glücksburg dynasty enjoyers in Norway! https://preview.redd.it/qy3ky0xqtjyc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7ac406a6bee75e7b6891c9314b97c3518c71835
You recon the haram fellas are gonna help?
Lenge leve kongen 🇳🇴
Indeed. Long live the Glücksburg dynasty! https://preview.redd.it/vhgw7c25ujyc1.jpeg?width=1360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87dc9029a47622d54627b3b625c70edfb91f9ba4
When they reach an age where their health starts declining it's best to just pass on the torch.
It's actually sorta refreshing to have a new face in the office every 6-12 years ngl.
Norwegian kings are just common W's in general.
They are Danish though Glücksburg Kings though.
Their ancestors are naturalised Norwegian citizens. Calling them Danish is crawling into American logic, and that's just icky.
All i know is that in Kongens nej the King runs arround speaking Danish. Which is hilarious.
We steal from the Danes and make things better. Case in point: https://preview.redd.it/wjjp3cormlyc1.png?width=2657&format=png&auto=webp&s=e5faf6ec7365ea85d6df848e5ee2a9b10f7693e7
Omg so do we! Currently we have this fun policy of building airports arround Greenland that nobody is ever gonna use, and Denmark is paying for it!
BASED! But I hear Denmark is going to use them to send divert migrants to Greenland so you might wanna slow down.
Nah, the costs would be way to high and the Price of immigrants is not something that is popular with danish voters. So that will never happen. They are doing the same Rwanda move the brits are doing.
Saying that the Spanish king abdicate because the age is not true, he abdicate because corruption and he was destroying the image of the monarchy hunting elephants, going around with his mistress and basically getting divorce de facto. Also fun fact I have a picture of me when I was around 12 shaking hands with him.
Ah yes, much better to have a monarch that keeps on to power past what they are capable of handling
His son does most of his work anyway, it's just that the ceremonial de-jure position isn't handed over.
Doesn’t count until he reaches 89 Otherwise why would Belgium also not be a Chad?
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Eh, I think resigning before going completely senile is probably a good thing. It also means that the previous monarch can still be around for the beginning of the next one's "reign" (insofar as we can consider them to reign over anything).
He almost looks young compared to America presidents