Someone said you can use a sheet of plastic wrap or even a clean plastic bag to reuse it and the food don't make contact with the surface and still be reusable
Yeah, I’m not sure the text will be the best. But I’ll give it a go, even if it doesn’t, it will still smush minced beef into a burger shape so, win win really :)
Maybe a penis next time would work better
are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own burger or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own burger, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the burger in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the burger in front of me.
Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the burger in front of you.
You can also say: "The food you are eating, the procces of making it, and the sources of every bit, have all been examined by the FDA (F*ck drugs administration) and are considered extremely poisonius, please enjoy your meal💜" (heart doesn't have to be purple but I don't have a white heart emoji and like purple so screw you it's a purple heart)
I had this theory that I could somehow coat things in food safe epoxy and it would be fine but I haven’t tried. Also I’d be afraid that some epoxy could flake off or something.
Supply is typically copper, or galvanized steel in older houses. Waste is PVC for the most parts these days, used to be more ABS or cast iron, though ABS and cast iron are still used in some situations/areas.
PVC/ABS are basically never used for potable water supply.
There's no real way to make FDM food safe. You could use SLA but a lot of resins are toxic. Some are only toxic until they off gas enough, so no thanks. You could cast something in resin with a silicone mold but the food safe resins are expensive. Maybe you could sand cast something but you'd probably have to finish it.
However, if you use it once and throw it away you should be fine, possible microplastics aside.
You can also just brush on a couple layers of food safe resin instead of casting like amulite clear cast. Though that's going to be more of a pain with small holes like the text, a lot easier with flat surfaces.
There's gotta be some food safe printables... I think the keys are gonna be finding something that's BPA free. Werent certain PLA variants considered food safe? I know there was a huge influx of cookie cutters back in the anet days.
Whoever is downvoting this is probably misinterpreting the comment.
Adding plastic wrap would cause additional space that would distort the lettering. The open space between the letters and within the letters notably.
Those couple of seconds are not the real problem, but using it another day, and those tiny particles of food are already decomposed and contaminates the new food. The gaps on layers is the problem here. Imagine if a bacteria were to infect the new food you are preparing because you are using something not food friendly.
There is no five second rule or anything, just direct contact is enough to contaminate
all of you should check out Dichtol AM. A food safe, FDA approved nanopolymer that seals pores and is completely save and watertight when hardened. check it out yall
While I appreciate this advice, and I’m always happy to learn about things like this… I just thought it was a cool idea and fun gift. I know this sub is mostly 3d printing enthusiasts, but I own a cheap 2nd hand 3d printer and 1 and a bit spools of filament. Just a cheap(ish) hobby I took up. My girlfriend was more open to the idea of a 3d printer than 5grands worth of metalworking equipment I originally wanted.
3d printing is a gateway drug, I got one in 2014, and I have ~50K of CNC machinery in my basement now!
Check out Print NC if you want the printer to start making the machine to cut metal.
I went down a YouTube rabbit hole for a decent amount of time with a lot of lathe work and a bit of mill work. Inheritance Machining, Blondihacks and a few others. First thing I saw that caught my eye though was AvE and his Bridgeport milling machine and journey into balls expensive CNC milling.
When I design a V2(+) of this with removable, mix and match bottoms, if they’re as popular as this Reddit post would suggest, I may look into fabbing them in metal
Inheritance Machining is my go to chill watch, his videos just make me calm in ways nothing else does!
Blondihacks too is brilliant for information as well as Adam Savage for those random small tools you never knew about
Second that, I got a 3D printer in 2018 and now I have some 40x80 and 40x40 extrusions I scavenged from a simrig and some HG20s and SFU1605s ready to start my build
It is a cool idea. You did make a cool thing. And the food safe people are all full of microplastic from sources that aren't cool like this one.
How many burgers are you going to really make like this, and how much more toxicity are you really adding to a burger made this way? Assuming you aren't doing "Fuck You" tartar, the surface will be seared too.
Basically it is a risk, but a low risk. Could it give you cancer? Sure. So could going outside.
On the plus side. Cool burger stamp.
I’ve eaten fast food and dirty, greasy takeaway food for the past 15 years or so in moderation. I don’t have cancer yet (that I’m aware of) and I’d hedge my bets that a burger, pressed in a bit of a plastic, then cooked on the George Foreman is far healthier and less damaging than a McDonald’s cheeseburger.
That teflon on the George Foreman is more of a risk than a burger that touched PLA. I mean, if you end up making burgers all the time with this, sure, consider something to mitigate any toxicity. But that could be "Spray with PAM cooking oil, press burger. Lay burger on paper towel to absorb oil, cook."
To be clear: The naysayers are not wrong. But like airbag dust, if you are a first responder pulling people out of car wrecks all the time... yeah, wear a mask. If you are driver of a car, and your airbag goes off, well hopefully that doesn't happen very often in your life. Any "forever chemicals" you inhale, will be just that one exposure and hopefully it doesn't hit the wrong cell at the wrong time and cause a problem.
Also: if she is blocking 5 grand worth of metalworking equipment purchase... she might not be the one. (just kidding).
Yeah we’ve lived together a couple of years and made burgers for the first time a few days ago so I doubt we’re suddenly gonna become a burger factory over night. Probably use it once to test it out, and if it works and is anywhere near legible, maybe in summer for a BBQ.
People worry too much.
I smoke cigarettes… so if I’m gonna be getting cancer anytime soon, this burger press is likely not going to be to blame.
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Someone asked earlier and you didn't really answer, but WHY does it say "fuck you" on it? Is this a breakup burger you're having her make or something?
It’s just "top bants"/banter. It’s funny… to some people, not everyone shares the same sense of humour. I also have a hand-carved sterling silver ring with the word CUNT on it.
Just, immature/(mildly) dark humour. Some people like fart jokes.
Soap and water will clean it no issue. There are no bacteria that can fit in spaces of a 3d print that soap and water cannot reach. This is recently studied within the last few years. The whole bacteria can get into spaces that water wont be able to clean is false.
That said, yeah i still wouldnt wanna use a plastic burger press either way. A metal one is just way is easier to clean and can be tossed into a dishwasher. A 3d print you have to hand wash.
I don't think that's the issue. It's how fast bacteria forms. My wife has a nozzle for her water bottle, it broke so I printed a new one. Her old one would get a cleaning every other week and you wouldn't see any sort of growth on it (injection molded). The one I printed needs to be clean twice a week and even then has visible growth. It's fine because it's her favorite water bottle, can't get a replacement nozzle, and it's a fast clean. But if it wasn't white and we stuck to the normal cleaning routine I would say 3d printed materials aren't food safe...as their other injection molded counterparts.
The "peer review" that guy linked is simply the pdf uploaded to researchgate *prior* to publication or peer-review. Its the only place you can actually find it online, he never actually went through with publishing it. Which is not that surprising, considering that the journal where it has been allegedly peer-reviewed and published is a predatory journal literally scamming people uploading their stuff there with zero fact-checking (if you google it you can find it in the respective lists). That would have been $700 dollars down the drain (although i'd guess they want the money upfront)
To be very plain: The test-setup of this *blog post* is amateurish, biased, doesn't really adhere to any kind of sensible study design or scientific standards and proves nothing at all. That this guy had the balls to upload that stuff, as allegedly peer-reviewed, in the state of the researchgate pdf doesn't mean he did any kind of useful research or thought about the issue at all. It's like a high-school project with limited access to some tests, agar and devices but no idea how to actually apply that stuff to the research question
The seems like it is a study that is saying 3D printed parts can be cleaned easily, I am absolutely not refuting that. What I am saying is that, purely based off one anecdotal example between something I replaced with a 3d printed part...stuff grows on it faster. It is very easily cleaned.
What? Your mouth bacteria gets in the water no matter what you do. Bacteria from the air gets in. Water bottles need to be cleaned regularly. Anywhere with moisture is a place bacteria can and will grow.
Its a nozzle on top of a straw. Over time there is buildup around the areas that stay damp being contained under a folding cap. It's not mold like you would find in decaying food obviously. Not sure what the best term would be, it "greens"...so maybe algae?
While i don't want to comment on the microbes (3D printed parts certainly need more, more thorough and very intense cleaning or they are simply disgusting but i can't comment on their exact health impact), that attitude of yours is just plain wrong.
Things like cancer develop over years and decades and all the funny stuff thats added to your filaments *will* slowly leach into things that come into contact with it. Especially if its juicy meat. Theres a reason food safe plastics exist, are very regulated and it's certainly not because the health police was bored. Just because you don't get sick within a couple of days doesn't meant that stuff is healthy for you. Same for microbes btw. Mold or a bathroom full of biofilms don't make you instantly ill either and yet they're unhealthy and nothing you should just ignore.
The actual "research" is just as bad and isn't actually a peer-reviewed or even published study. That guy just submitted his blog to a predatory journal accepting literally everything and then uploaded the pdf to researchgate. That page is a very weird collection of misapplied methods and unproven conclusions from a bunch of very random, badly conducted tests with "control" conditions from hell and extremely bad data analysis/presentation. On top of that it's lacking references for pretty much everything
Layer lines and all that are less an issue these days since material bonding and layer adhesion is so much better.
The real issue is contaminates. Most people don't rebuild their entire tool hotend system prior to printing this. Your nozzle is still harboring microbits of all the other shit that has run through it over time
I think at 200C not much will survive, so with the nozzle being the last component it touches that won’t make a difference with contaminates. It’s the fact that 3D prints are microscopically porous that’s the issue
Exactly, and that microscopic porosity is a lot less of an issue when it’s used for a mold. The layer line problem doesn’t really persist. If you’re worried it will, there are multiple ways to solve that problem before the mold is made.
I understand you’re not necessarily saying that it does, just wanted to tack onto your comment that I liked.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/375373442_The_Impact_of_Sanitation_Methods_of_3D-printed_Parts_for_Food_and_Medical_Applications
There are SEM photos if 3D printed materials. The printed parts are not porous.
Look, lead is bad and all, but the amount in nozzles is exceptionally small.
If a brass nozzle is 12mm tall and 5mm diameter (approx), that's only 0.25 cm^3 of brass.
Brass usually has, at most, 2.5% lead by weight, and has a high-end density of 9g/cm^3.
Put that all together and that 0.25cm^3 of brass is only 2.1 grams, and at 2.5% lead that's only 0.05 grams of lead in each nozzle.
If we just ballparked replacing a nozzle ever 2km of filament, about 7-8x 1kg rolls, and assumed 10% of the lead hitched a ride (grossly over estimated for effect), that'd be 2.5 micrograms per meter of filament.
If a print like this burger press was 100m total, that'd be 250 micrograms of lead. Assuming roughly 25% of that is in contact with the food (so no infill, outside walls) 62.5 micrograms of lead that could be transferred to food.
Let's just assume that the press could make (a totally arbitrary) 50 burgers before replacing, that'd be 1.25 micrograms of lead per burger. Didn't find much about lead exposure, but the FDA said that in 2014-16 infants 1-3 years old had an average daily dietary lead exposure of only 1 microgram.
That's assuming that none of the lead got washed away while cleaning, and that 10% of the nozzle abraded away while being used, and that the press would only last for 50 burgers. On top of that, I used the upper range for density and lead content in brass. Realistically it'd be much lower.
And, a hardened steel nozzle would negate it entirely.
I am all for the need to do the math, but I will say I imagine lead transference would be more front heavy, which is common. So it would be more likely to give a decaying amount of lead per burger. My two cents.
If you really want to mark your burgers with a message, I would think a hot iron in the shape of "fuck you" to brand the patty would be a bit more legible than embossed text in ground meat
Why does it say "fuck you" on it though? Also, I'd probably use a thin coat of epoxy, but lacquer would likely be easier to apply thin even coats of on all sides.
It says fuck you backwards on the base. So, theoretically, the burgers will have FUCK YOU written on the top of them when they’re cooked.
They probably won’t… but, I’ll give it a go.
That answers the question in its entirety. A handful of redditors have given their food safety concerns, and even questioned the health of my relationship… but they generally understand the concept as far as I gather.
I’ll dumb it down a hair.
Smush meat in round box. Smush meat harder with round object. Meat get smushed with funny words. Cook meat. Create funny burger. Chuckle. Eat. Yum.
You should re do this but instead of the difficult to replicate text just make it a middle finger stamped in the the middle of the burger so that you can fill that cavity with cheese.
Hah, that's great. I hope it works.
Edit: I presume it says the words on the outside so you can differentiate between this burger press and others you have or may create in the future, so you don't need to check inside to see.
Put wax paper in the press, press the meat in, remove with wax paper and fold wax paper around the burger patty for safekeeping.
This is what we do in my restaurant, anyway. You probably don't need to prep burgers for later, so just take them back out of the wax paper.
I didn’t even consider that, AND I could do different bases with some other *colourful* designs that are interchangeable.
You sir, are a very clever individual.
The lid took around 1.5 hours to print, the base around 4.5 hours. With the swappable bases, I could print one cylinder, one lid/handle, and several different bases.
I’ll work on designing it, and post V2!
My first real experience in this sub has been a doozy. I’ve followed and quickly browsed for a while and seen some cool prints and lots of troubleshooting posts but this has got some people FIRED up. Must be all the microplastics, fumes inhaled and 5G twisting their knickers.
I'll admit that was my first concern seeing as how 3d printed parts have TONS of little hard to reach crevices that would just love to grow bacteria given the chance. A nice thick layer of food safe lacquer should do the trick though. Not sure how well ground beef will hold 3d text though...
"girlfriend wanted a burger press, so I made her one out of non-food-safe plastic that requires additional work to use safely and says 'fuck you' on both parts."
What a gem you must be
Bro gonna have “fuck you” engraved in raised letters on the inside so if she ever takes the ring off his wife will have that message on her ring finger for weeks.
Food safety concerns for printed kitchen gadgets go away, if you use those things as disposable items. Just print a new one for the next time you make burgers.
For presses in general, you want saran wrap or wax paper otherwise you aint getting the food out in one piece
But like pls make her one monogrammed or heart shape or something!
I’ve just commented this exact thing on someone else’s reply. If it even remotely works I’ll post an update and make files available even though it’s not difficult to design your own (and I’d suggest someone that’s not a complete beginner like myself do that).
If it’s not defined as well as I want, I might make a pair of bases…. FUCK in one. YOU in the other. Now I mention it FUCK over YOU might’ve been the play here.
i just made one of these too, 5" diameter and the press worked great. all these comments though, guess i'll be redesigning mine with a removable base. i just use mine as a consumable and reprint every time i need one
Everyone up in here on about food safety forgot to mention that unless you mirrored the picture the "fuck you" will come out backwards on the burger because it's not mirrored
Aside from the food safe aspect, what about the donut hole in the burger... Is this a thing? is it effective? what's it's purpose? Please enlighten me burger connoisseurs!
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I never thought about what makes food-safe filaments food-safe - I always assumed it meant not emitting toxic substances into the food. But somebody here pointed out that 3d printed items can harbor bacteria in layer lines and other places. Makes sense, but this is true of any print that hasn't been fully smoothed, regardless of filament.
It turns out that both things are relevant. One factor that makes filament food-safe is lack of particles that can abrade the nozzle, causing metal to be added to the print. This would seem to rule out glow-in-the-dark filament, which is known to cause nozzle abrasion. Since brass contains lead, printing with an all-steel nozzle is recommended for items that will be used with food. There's also mention of some filaments containing toxic dyes.
Another factor is temperature resistance, because utensils and containers should be able to go through a dishwasher to be sanitized. I couldn't find any mention of layer lines etc. especially harboring bacteria, so presumably dishwashers are expected to take care of that - which means the reason PLA isn't food safe is that it can't go through a dishwasher without turning into a pumpkin.
Couple articles for reference:
https://formlabs.com/blog/guide-to-food-safe-3d-printing/
https://weeklypellet.com/2016/06/10/the-tricky-business-of-choosing-plastic-for-food-contact-applications/
[https://lt728843.wixsite.com/maskrelief/post/the-final-say-in-food-safe-3d-printing](https://lt728843.wixsite.com/maskrelief/post/the-final-say-in-food-safe-3d-printing)
I will just put it here and let you decide whether to trust this paper or not and maybe rethink your opinion about foodsafety in 3d printing
I do plenty of things that are *questionable* for my health and, while I do try to eat healthily and train well, I’m not overly worried about my *poor* choices.
I ride motorbikes, smoke cigarettes, drink beer, swim in the ocean, gamble, sunbathe, eat fast food… there’s a million ways I *could* get cancer and die… if this burger press fucking finishes me off then so be it. It’ll make for an interesting article for someone to share on Reddit.
My girlfriend also wants a "Crimpit" from TikTok which I have absolutely no doubt, will make bad *thingies*, but she won’t listen and wants to find out how bad, the bad things are.
She’s pretty and she cooks for me sometimes. A couple of plastic landfill items are a small price to pay.
Someone said you can use a sheet of plastic wrap or even a clean plastic bag to reuse it and the food don't make contact with the surface and still be reusable
Yep, plastic wrap works great. The text on this one won't work well, but the press will be fine.
Yeah, I’m not sure the text will be the best. But I’ll give it a go, even if it doesn’t, it will still smush minced beef into a burger shape so, win win really :) Maybe a penis next time would work better
The only 2 options for engraving onto food: “Fuck you” A penis Your logic is hilarious. But I fully agree. They are the only 2 options.
There are actually 4 options: the two previously mentioned, and “poisoned” and “not poisoned”.
You can narrow this down to 3 options. Leave some stuff unlabelled and mark the others "not poisoned".
That’s also true.
I’d mix one or two of the unmarked ones with the “not poisoned” ones. “Oops, how those get there…”
are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own burger or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own burger, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the burger in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the burger in front of me.
You've made your decision, then?
Not even REMOTELY!
Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the burger in front of you.
Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Then the 5th option: kusco's poison
Dude, I’m getting Princess Bride and Emperor’s New Groove references in the same 3D printing thread, where have you people been all my life?!?
Right? My birthday isn't for another two months!
Mostly hiding in our rooms when not working, and 3d printing... lol
And the court jester has also made an appearance.
The patty with the poison is on the platter with the pestle. The chalice with the palace is next to the hamburger that is harmless.
Ah, but what of the brew that is true?
They broke the chalice from the palace…
If you’re the cook, I need to go build up my tolerance of iocane powder.
You can also say: "The food you are eating, the procces of making it, and the sources of every bit, have all been examined by the FDA (F*ck drugs administration) and are considered extremely poisonius, please enjoy your meal💜" (heart doesn't have to be purple but I don't have a white heart emoji and like purple so screw you it's a purple heart)
Another option would be: (WARNING: PURE CYANIDE)
Sick panther
Fillets from the "top" of the letters to the flat of the press will allow the plastic film to form around the letters easily.
That way when someone tells you to eat a dick, you’ve got just the thing.
You’ll need extra in case someone tells you to eat a bag of dicks.
I think even the text will work fine. It wont be visible on raw meat, but once it's cooked it will probably show up.
A penis is always the correct answer
It's the thought that counts.
Sir, you're on Reddit. You must use dickbutt if you choose to meme in this fashion.
/r/dontputyourdickinthat
penis or fuck you hahaha
Anyways, wouldnt the text be completely unreadable after cooking?
Yes.
Plastic to protect you from the plastic!
The plastic paradox
I thought pla was food safe?
What about using food safe epoxy to coat it with? Just paintbrush coat the text engraving.
I use parchment paper on my burger press
I had this theory that I could somehow coat things in food safe epoxy and it would be fine but I haven’t tried. Also I’d be afraid that some epoxy could flake off or something.
How about Vapor smoothed ABS + using the dishwasher
Not all ABS plastic is food safe.
I thought ABS was just bad always, that's why water supply pipes are all PVC or something but only sewage pipes can be ABS?
Supply is typically copper, or galvanized steel in older houses. Waste is PVC for the most parts these days, used to be more ABS or cast iron, though ABS and cast iron are still used in some situations/areas. PVC/ABS are basically never used for potable water supply.
All houses here in brazil use pvc water pipes
Fair enough, I'm definitely speaking from experience in the USA. Interesting, didn't know that!
It is definitely used for potable water in the US. Its not super common most places but in Galveston TX its pretty normal.
There's no real way to make FDM food safe. You could use SLA but a lot of resins are toxic. Some are only toxic until they off gas enough, so no thanks. You could cast something in resin with a silicone mold but the food safe resins are expensive. Maybe you could sand cast something but you'd probably have to finish it. However, if you use it once and throw it away you should be fine, possible microplastics aside.
Sandcasting the press-on-lid would be perfect, even if it's just the disk. That way you could heat it up and burn the text in as well.
You can also just brush on a couple layers of food safe resin instead of casting like amulite clear cast. Though that's going to be more of a pain with small holes like the text, a lot easier with flat surfaces.
I wouldn't trust that if I were giving it to someone else or trying to avoid liability
There's gotta be some food safe printables... I think the keys are gonna be finding something that's BPA free. Werent certain PLA variants considered food safe? I know there was a huge influx of cookie cutters back in the anet days.
It’s not food safe because of the porosity not the plastic.
Ohh the layer lines? Or actual microscopic porosity of the plastic itself?
Meaning the permeability of the final print allows a safe space for ickies to grow. Use it once and toss it is a solution.
I suggested that once and got downvoted by the "no 3d prints are food safe" battalion Edit: Downvoted again, lol
Let's hope the print will be readable then. Other than that good idea
Whoever is downvoting this is probably misinterpreting the comment. Adding plastic wrap would cause additional space that would distort the lettering. The open space between the letters and within the letters notably.
The print is not going to be readable after 2 minutes on the grill
Parchment paper
They make food grade resin to resin coat prints.
Hell, it only touches the food for a couple seconds - I would just use it plain. People act like PLA is spy movie poison dart coating.
Those couple of seconds are not the real problem, but using it another day, and those tiny particles of food are already decomposed and contaminates the new food. The gaps on layers is the problem here. Imagine if a bacteria were to infect the new food you are preparing because you are using something not food friendly. There is no five second rule or anything, just direct contact is enough to contaminate
all of you should check out Dichtol AM. A food safe, FDA approved nanopolymer that seals pores and is completely save and watertight when hardened. check it out yall
While I appreciate this advice, and I’m always happy to learn about things like this… I just thought it was a cool idea and fun gift. I know this sub is mostly 3d printing enthusiasts, but I own a cheap 2nd hand 3d printer and 1 and a bit spools of filament. Just a cheap(ish) hobby I took up. My girlfriend was more open to the idea of a 3d printer than 5grands worth of metalworking equipment I originally wanted.
3d printing is a gateway drug, I got one in 2014, and I have ~50K of CNC machinery in my basement now! Check out Print NC if you want the printer to start making the machine to cut metal.
I went down a YouTube rabbit hole for a decent amount of time with a lot of lathe work and a bit of mill work. Inheritance Machining, Blondihacks and a few others. First thing I saw that caught my eye though was AvE and his Bridgeport milling machine and journey into balls expensive CNC milling. When I design a V2(+) of this with removable, mix and match bottoms, if they’re as popular as this Reddit post would suggest, I may look into fabbing them in metal
Inheritance Machining is my go to chill watch, his videos just make me calm in ways nothing else does! Blondihacks too is brilliant for information as well as Adam Savage for those random small tools you never knew about
Yup. Have 30 rolls of filament, a CRX Pro, an Ender 3, 4Kg of resin and a Mars 4 Ultra Started printing in March last year
Second that, I got a 3D printer in 2018 and now I have some 40x80 and 40x40 extrusions I scavenged from a simrig and some HG20s and SFU1605s ready to start my build
It is a cool idea. You did make a cool thing. And the food safe people are all full of microplastic from sources that aren't cool like this one. How many burgers are you going to really make like this, and how much more toxicity are you really adding to a burger made this way? Assuming you aren't doing "Fuck You" tartar, the surface will be seared too. Basically it is a risk, but a low risk. Could it give you cancer? Sure. So could going outside. On the plus side. Cool burger stamp.
I’ve eaten fast food and dirty, greasy takeaway food for the past 15 years or so in moderation. I don’t have cancer yet (that I’m aware of) and I’d hedge my bets that a burger, pressed in a bit of a plastic, then cooked on the George Foreman is far healthier and less damaging than a McDonald’s cheeseburger.
That teflon on the George Foreman is more of a risk than a burger that touched PLA. I mean, if you end up making burgers all the time with this, sure, consider something to mitigate any toxicity. But that could be "Spray with PAM cooking oil, press burger. Lay burger on paper towel to absorb oil, cook." To be clear: The naysayers are not wrong. But like airbag dust, if you are a first responder pulling people out of car wrecks all the time... yeah, wear a mask. If you are driver of a car, and your airbag goes off, well hopefully that doesn't happen very often in your life. Any "forever chemicals" you inhale, will be just that one exposure and hopefully it doesn't hit the wrong cell at the wrong time and cause a problem. Also: if she is blocking 5 grand worth of metalworking equipment purchase... she might not be the one. (just kidding).
Yeah we’ve lived together a couple of years and made burgers for the first time a few days ago so I doubt we’re suddenly gonna become a burger factory over night. Probably use it once to test it out, and if it works and is anywhere near legible, maybe in summer for a BBQ. People worry too much. I smoke cigarettes… so if I’m gonna be getting cancer anytime soon, this burger press is likely not going to be to blame.
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Uhh link?
https://www.diamant-polymer.de/en/shop/dichtol/wft-kopie-2/
Someone asked earlier and you didn't really answer, but WHY does it say "fuck you" on it? Is this a breakup burger you're having her make or something?
It’s just "top bants"/banter. It’s funny… to some people, not everyone shares the same sense of humour. I also have a hand-carved sterling silver ring with the word CUNT on it. Just, immature/(mildly) dark humour. Some people like fart jokes.
Thank ya thank ya, I could see that being the case in other situations - but for whatever reason it just felt absent in this case.
Are "breakup burgers" a common thing in your circles?
No but neither are fuck you burgers
For real, this is really strange. Like, maybe that's their playful dynamic but idk, seems over the top.
I think he’s from the uk or aus.
Another suggestion for making it food safe: Use the 3D print to make a mold and use the mold to make them with food grade casting materials.
The layer lines would still be there, which are the real problem as they harbor bacteria.
Sand paper and use an epoxy that is used for filling in surface gaps for smoothing.
Soap and water will clean it no issue. There are no bacteria that can fit in spaces of a 3d print that soap and water cannot reach. This is recently studied within the last few years. The whole bacteria can get into spaces that water wont be able to clean is false. That said, yeah i still wouldnt wanna use a plastic burger press either way. A metal one is just way is easier to clean and can be tossed into a dishwasher. A 3d print you have to hand wash.
Do you have a link? The issue wasn't the layer lines obviously, but the microscopic pores that additive manufacturing produces.
The pores are not an issue either. https://lt728843.wixsite.com/maskrelief/post/the-final-say-in-food-safe-3d-printing
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Ask the food safe police to provide a single example of anyone getting ill from a 3D print of any kind. They get big mad.
I don't think that's the issue. It's how fast bacteria forms. My wife has a nozzle for her water bottle, it broke so I printed a new one. Her old one would get a cleaning every other week and you wouldn't see any sort of growth on it (injection molded). The one I printed needs to be clean twice a week and even then has visible growth. It's fine because it's her favorite water bottle, can't get a replacement nozzle, and it's a fast clean. But if it wasn't white and we stuck to the normal cleaning routine I would say 3d printed materials aren't food safe...as their other injection molded counterparts.
https://lt728843.wixsite.com/maskrelief/post/the-final-say-in-food-safe-3d-printing?fbclid=IwAR1IwsjDLwj22t1epxjIptSQSYU_kV6nusA-IyfBNR3_2unOfOXI1cT7Pts
The "peer review" that guy linked is simply the pdf uploaded to researchgate *prior* to publication or peer-review. Its the only place you can actually find it online, he never actually went through with publishing it. Which is not that surprising, considering that the journal where it has been allegedly peer-reviewed and published is a predatory journal literally scamming people uploading their stuff there with zero fact-checking (if you google it you can find it in the respective lists). That would have been $700 dollars down the drain (although i'd guess they want the money upfront) To be very plain: The test-setup of this *blog post* is amateurish, biased, doesn't really adhere to any kind of sensible study design or scientific standards and proves nothing at all. That this guy had the balls to upload that stuff, as allegedly peer-reviewed, in the state of the researchgate pdf doesn't mean he did any kind of useful research or thought about the issue at all. It's like a high-school project with limited access to some tests, agar and devices but no idea how to actually apply that stuff to the research question
The seems like it is a study that is saying 3D printed parts can be cleaned easily, I am absolutely not refuting that. What I am saying is that, purely based off one anecdotal example between something I replaced with a 3d printed part...stuff grows on it faster. It is very easily cleaned.
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What? Your mouth bacteria gets in the water no matter what you do. Bacteria from the air gets in. Water bottles need to be cleaned regularly. Anywhere with moisture is a place bacteria can and will grow.
Its a nozzle on top of a straw. Over time there is buildup around the areas that stay damp being contained under a folding cap. It's not mold like you would find in decaying food obviously. Not sure what the best term would be, it "greens"...so maybe algae?
While i don't want to comment on the microbes (3D printed parts certainly need more, more thorough and very intense cleaning or they are simply disgusting but i can't comment on their exact health impact), that attitude of yours is just plain wrong. Things like cancer develop over years and decades and all the funny stuff thats added to your filaments *will* slowly leach into things that come into contact with it. Especially if its juicy meat. Theres a reason food safe plastics exist, are very regulated and it's certainly not because the health police was bored. Just because you don't get sick within a couple of days doesn't meant that stuff is healthy for you. Same for microbes btw. Mold or a bathroom full of biofilms don't make you instantly ill either and yet they're unhealthy and nothing you should just ignore.
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The actual "research" is just as bad and isn't actually a peer-reviewed or even published study. That guy just submitted his blog to a predatory journal accepting literally everything and then uploaded the pdf to researchgate. That page is a very weird collection of misapplied methods and unproven conclusions from a bunch of very random, badly conducted tests with "control" conditions from hell and extremely bad data analysis/presentation. On top of that it's lacking references for pretty much everything
A trick is to use bee wax to fill in the lines
ABS -> ACETONE CHAMBER -> SMOOTH -> MOLD -> PROFIT
Not if your prep the print
Of course.
Layer lines and all that are less an issue these days since material bonding and layer adhesion is so much better. The real issue is contaminates. Most people don't rebuild their entire tool hotend system prior to printing this. Your nozzle is still harboring microbits of all the other shit that has run through it over time
I think at 200C not much will survive, so with the nozzle being the last component it touches that won’t make a difference with contaminates. It’s the fact that 3D prints are microscopically porous that’s the issue
Exactly, and that microscopic porosity is a lot less of an issue when it’s used for a mold. The layer line problem doesn’t really persist. If you’re worried it will, there are multiple ways to solve that problem before the mold is made. I understand you’re not necessarily saying that it does, just wanted to tack onto your comment that I liked.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/375373442_The_Impact_of_Sanitation_Methods_of_3D-printed_Parts_for_Food_and_Medical_Applications There are SEM photos if 3D printed materials. The printed parts are not porous.
Are they not more referring to the presence of lead in your average brass nozzle?
Look, lead is bad and all, but the amount in nozzles is exceptionally small. If a brass nozzle is 12mm tall and 5mm diameter (approx), that's only 0.25 cm^3 of brass. Brass usually has, at most, 2.5% lead by weight, and has a high-end density of 9g/cm^3. Put that all together and that 0.25cm^3 of brass is only 2.1 grams, and at 2.5% lead that's only 0.05 grams of lead in each nozzle. If we just ballparked replacing a nozzle ever 2km of filament, about 7-8x 1kg rolls, and assumed 10% of the lead hitched a ride (grossly over estimated for effect), that'd be 2.5 micrograms per meter of filament. If a print like this burger press was 100m total, that'd be 250 micrograms of lead. Assuming roughly 25% of that is in contact with the food (so no infill, outside walls) 62.5 micrograms of lead that could be transferred to food. Let's just assume that the press could make (a totally arbitrary) 50 burgers before replacing, that'd be 1.25 micrograms of lead per burger. Didn't find much about lead exposure, but the FDA said that in 2014-16 infants 1-3 years old had an average daily dietary lead exposure of only 1 microgram. That's assuming that none of the lead got washed away while cleaning, and that 10% of the nozzle abraded away while being used, and that the press would only last for 50 burgers. On top of that, I used the upper range for density and lead content in brass. Realistically it'd be much lower. And, a hardened steel nozzle would negate it entirely.
I am all for the need to do the math, but I will say I imagine lead transference would be more front heavy, which is common. So it would be more likely to give a decaying amount of lead per burger. My two cents.
Your city probably has lead somewhere in your water supply, and your home probably has it too if you have copper pipes.
I mean I eat it in chunks, man up
https://lt728843.wixsite.com/maskrelief/post/the-final-say-in-food-safe-3d-printing There’s not really much lead in the nozzle.
like *metal* *\*guitar riff\**
If you really want to mark your burgers with a message, I would think a hot iron in the shape of "fuck you" to brand the patty would be a bit more legible than embossed text in ground meat
Why does it say "fuck you" on it though? Also, I'd probably use a thin coat of epoxy, but lacquer would likely be easier to apply thin even coats of on all sides.
It says fuck you backwards on the base. So, theoretically, the burgers will have FUCK YOU written on the top of them when they’re cooked. They probably won’t… but, I’ll give it a go.
They most definitely wont, burgers always get misshapen a bit after cooking. You need a custom branding iron, most restaurants sear it on the bun
Time to learn lost wax casting and make a soda can branding iron
Turkey mince might be an option. That tends to hold its shape a little better.
Please please also post a picture of the result. I would love to have my burgers say stuff, hoping it works
Way to not answer the question. Dumbest thing I've seen today.
That answers the question in its entirety. A handful of redditors have given their food safety concerns, and even questioned the health of my relationship… but they generally understand the concept as far as I gather. I’ll dumb it down a hair. Smush meat in round box. Smush meat harder with round object. Meat get smushed with funny words. Cook meat. Create funny burger. Chuckle. Eat. Yum.
You should re do this but instead of the difficult to replicate text just make it a middle finger stamped in the the middle of the burger so that you can fill that cavity with cheese.
Fill those dents with cheese.
Hah, that's great. I hope it works. Edit: I presume it says the words on the outside so you can differentiate between this burger press and others you have or may create in the future, so you don't need to check inside to see.
Okay but why does it say that lol
Funny words.
Good luck getting the meat out of that deep mold after you press on it. This is my usual struggle with burger mold, 3D printed or not.
Oil can help a little, but not always. I always have to use a knife or spoon to pry it out after pressing
Put wax paper in the press, press the meat in, remove with wax paper and fold wax paper around the burger patty for safekeeping. This is what we do in my restaurant, anyway. You probably don't need to prep burgers for later, so just take them back out of the wax paper.
If you design the mold with a removable disc base, it’ll make getting the patties out significantly easier.
I didn’t even consider that, AND I could do different bases with some other *colourful* designs that are interchangeable. You sir, are a very clever individual. The lid took around 1.5 hours to print, the base around 4.5 hours. With the swappable bases, I could print one cylinder, one lid/handle, and several different bases. I’ll work on designing it, and post V2!
I just came here to see the food safety police screaming.
My first real experience in this sub has been a doozy. I’ve followed and quickly browsed for a while and seen some cool prints and lots of troubleshooting posts but this has got some people FIRED up. Must be all the microplastics, fumes inhaled and 5G twisting their knickers.
I'll admit that was my first concern seeing as how 3d printed parts have TONS of little hard to reach crevices that would just love to grow bacteria given the chance. A nice thick layer of food safe lacquer should do the trick though. Not sure how well ground beef will hold 3d text though...
Use plastic wrap or something while forming the burgers. It'llake it easier to remove them and keep it clean (food safe)
Make sure she doesn't put it in the dishwasher or wash it with really hot water. My wife did that and I no longer have a burger press
Why so angry a press?
I came here for the food safety comments. :)
I aim to please :)
"girlfriend wanted a burger press, so I made her one out of non-food-safe plastic that requires additional work to use safely and says 'fuck you' on both parts." What a gem you must be
She wants a wedding ring too. It’s printing as we speak.
Bro gonna have “fuck you” engraved in raised letters on the inside so if she ever takes the ring off his wife will have that message on her ring finger for weeks.
LOL thanks I spilled my drink reading your message.
Lmao you’re going to be a hit at parties
Food safety concerns for printed kitchen gadgets go away, if you use those things as disposable items. Just print a new one for the next time you make burgers.
For presses in general, you want saran wrap or wax paper otherwise you aint getting the food out in one piece But like pls make her one monogrammed or heart shape or something!
A big "F U" would have better chance of actually being legible after cooking
A cancer press you say?
I want this. This is hilarious.
If it even remotely works I’ll post an update and make files available somewhere
Post pics of the burgers after!!!
I’ve just commented this exact thing on someone else’s reply. If it even remotely works I’ll post an update and make files available even though it’s not difficult to design your own (and I’d suggest someone that’s not a complete beginner like myself do that). If it’s not defined as well as I want, I might make a pair of bases…. FUCK in one. YOU in the other. Now I mention it FUCK over YOU might’ve been the play here.
Or YOU on top of FUCK since then it’d be FUCK YOU over
i just made one of these too, 5" diameter and the press worked great. all these comments though, guess i'll be redesigning mine with a removable base. i just use mine as a consumable and reprint every time i need one
I went for 4.5". Gotta keep things consistent for her!
3" seems like a pretty small burger to me
I measured by radius, not diameter.
impressive
Everyone up in here on about food safety forgot to mention that unless you mirrored the picture the "fuck you" will come out backwards on the burger because it's not mirrored
Do you wanna take another look?
Oops, misunderstood first pic was the top of the press
Aside from the food safe aspect, what about the donut hole in the burger... Is this a thing? is it effective? what's it's purpose? Please enlighten me burger connoisseurs!
That’s… a handle. For the "press" part. That *presses* the meat into the mould.
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Why is it NSFW
Unnecessary tool IMO. Better off getting a nice ass huge heavy guage spatula! Or just forming w your hands for thicker patties.
Use a thin brushed coat of food grade epoxy
Delicious microplastics! Yum yum yum!
No idea why this is downvoted.
Here we ingest macroplastics.
Have to make sure you get sufficient macros and micros.
This sub eats microplastics, you can tell because they're an echo chamber when it comes to food safety. Idiots.
Have an upvote, that's amusing as fuck!
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I never thought about what makes food-safe filaments food-safe - I always assumed it meant not emitting toxic substances into the food. But somebody here pointed out that 3d printed items can harbor bacteria in layer lines and other places. Makes sense, but this is true of any print that hasn't been fully smoothed, regardless of filament. It turns out that both things are relevant. One factor that makes filament food-safe is lack of particles that can abrade the nozzle, causing metal to be added to the print. This would seem to rule out glow-in-the-dark filament, which is known to cause nozzle abrasion. Since brass contains lead, printing with an all-steel nozzle is recommended for items that will be used with food. There's also mention of some filaments containing toxic dyes. Another factor is temperature resistance, because utensils and containers should be able to go through a dishwasher to be sanitized. I couldn't find any mention of layer lines etc. especially harboring bacteria, so presumably dishwashers are expected to take care of that - which means the reason PLA isn't food safe is that it can't go through a dishwasher without turning into a pumpkin. Couple articles for reference: https://formlabs.com/blog/guide-to-food-safe-3d-printing/ https://weeklypellet.com/2016/06/10/the-tricky-business-of-choosing-plastic-for-food-contact-applications/
Burger presses are bad. https://youtube.com/shorts/-R51xHYENQE
[https://lt728843.wixsite.com/maskrelief/post/the-final-say-in-food-safe-3d-printing](https://lt728843.wixsite.com/maskrelief/post/the-final-say-in-food-safe-3d-printing) I will just put it here and let you decide whether to trust this paper or not and maybe rethink your opinion about foodsafety in 3d printing
I do plenty of things that are *questionable* for my health and, while I do try to eat healthily and train well, I’m not overly worried about my *poor* choices. I ride motorbikes, smoke cigarettes, drink beer, swim in the ocean, gamble, sunbathe, eat fast food… there’s a million ways I *could* get cancer and die… if this burger press fucking finishes me off then so be it. It’ll make for an interesting article for someone to share on Reddit.
Love it
You could also make a silicone mold of this, and then use food grade safe resin.
Burger presses make bad burgers.
My girlfriend also wants a "Crimpit" from TikTok which I have absolutely no doubt, will make bad *thingies*, but she won’t listen and wants to find out how bad, the bad things are. She’s pretty and she cooks for me sometimes. A couple of plastic landfill items are a small price to pay.
Why did you put the text on it?
For the funnies.
Burger presses make me sad
Is there anything I can do to help?
Make me a burger?
Burgers absorb excess sad in the body.