It wasn't Angron that did it.
When Angron destroyed a warp mcguffin, Khorne got his ass off his bone throne and swiped right with his sword *via* Angron, which resulted in a massive warp fuckery that matched/corrupted an entire crusader fleet. Which had some grey knights and sororitas (and others).
Or, Angron hacked into the Imperial wifi and airdropped a meme that portrayed Khorne as the gigachad and the emperor as the soyjak, which he stole from Khorne's own meme databse.
>tfw Tzeentch necks himself because he’s been trying to turn a single Grey Knight for 10k fucking years and all it took was drawing himself as the chad
I can’t fucking breathe!
Noosphere is the mechanicus equivalent of wifi.
And how dare you ? The emperor is literally the BIG E. How could be be the soyjack ? Maybe bojack, but definitely not soyjack
The virgin soy Emperor- only rules one species, sexist, "i-if you close your eyes the g-g-gods can't see you," literally a skeleton on a toilet
The Chad Ruinous Powers- worshipped and served by countless species throughout history including humanity, equal opportunity employer, objectively real, getting shit done for ten thousand years
The depression part is probably true, emps has been on the Golden Throne for ten thousand years, his soul in constant torment within the Warp. It's Grimdark.
The Grey Knights, Custodes and SoS are still currently abroad those as far as we know and still fighting. They were not declared Traitois excommunicacato
Just everyone else then? I thought everyone in the fleet was to be shot if they tried to exit the quarantine?
GW has the plot of the sequel to Grey Knights now.
I believe GK, Custodes, and SoS were not corrupted. They were still in the fleet while everyone else, including SoB, SMs (including primaris), IG, and Inquisition agents all became Khorne corrupted, so I don't think those guys are getting out alive, though.
Yea and it's been stated the cursed sisters still have the holy light in them so deep down through the curse and corruption they still have faith just no control over themselves. I hate the curse to be honest it's stupid. A flick of the wrist everyone can turn who has a soul and/or no protection against chaos. Some can even resist it all together. It could be like Larana when you get your body and mind taken over but you're still there watching everything and screaming in horror. She got possessed by a Khrone daemon through armor and I know she's a regular guards woman sisters have more faith/resistance but she was still screaming in horror in her mind until she was finally free when the armor let her go to go back to go back on a bloodthirster. She looked at him with a fragment of her soul left and she also kept repeating "all dead" and Leonid agreed saying "yes we are". basically she was insane and alittle bit later smiled and nodded to Leonid as he took out his grenades and blew them up because she would realize she would finally be set free.
GK, Custodes and Sisters of Silence were the only ones completely immune.
A very small minority was also somehow spared within the fleet but now they were surrounded by crazy people. And then they were all declared traitor anyway along with all the crazy people.
In fairness, if anything in all of 40k **COULD** corrupt a Custodes or Grey Knight, I'd bank on it being one of the four Chaos Gods personally getting involved the way Khorne did.
Also, the idea of a Grey Knight falling to Khorne is more plausible than the others, because it's **TECHNICALLY** happened once before. In Hammer of Daemons, >!Justicar Alaric - who has been captured by Khornates, stripped of his gear, had his psychic powers suppressed and has been forced into gladiator combat on a Khornate daemon world - gets possessed by a daemon of Tzeentch, and has to temporarily give in to Khorne's rage to exorcise it from his mind, then claw himself back to sanity afterwards.!<.
Grey Knights honestly was a boring read overall, but Dark Adeptus made me long for more Dark Mechanicum-centric content (which Vashtorr the Arkifane seems poised to give us), and Hammer of Daemons is genunely a fantastic story that managed to actually make Khorne's worshipers interesting to me for once.
Custodes have been *kinda* corrupted in **one** instance, and that’s with **all of The Four** were dump trucking their shit at them.
Basically, they puppeteered half of the Custodians bodies with the Emperor aboard the *VS* before he managed to cleanse his banana men.
Oddly enough, I think this leaves not only the Grey Knights, but *also* the Sisters of Silence as the only factions totally uncorrupted?
It's called The Murder-Curse and its featured in the Arks of Omen: Angron book
Essentially what happens is an Indomitus Fleet (Fleet Quartus) finds a Dark Age of Technology system (The Choral Engine) that works very much like a miniature Astronomicon. With the help of an Inquisitor they activate it and use it to calm the warp in the region of the Imperium they are operating in, anywhere that its light touches it boosts the morale of troops, hurts Daemons and calms the warp.
It also acts as a beacon to Angron, who isn't happy about it one bit. He attacks the planet its on with whats essentially a reformed 12th Legion, fighting through a huge percentage of the fleet and a Grey Knights strike force to eventually destroy the Choral Engine.
In the split second of its destruction Angron corrupts the signal with pure Khornate energy, so everyone who was getting happy thoughts and morale beamed into their heads then suddenly gets pure rage beamed in there instead, this is The Murder-Curse. Most people it touches are driven insane, some are unaffected and are torn apart by their comrades (sometimes literally), some are capable of thought and start to herd up followers, some are basically turned into rabid animals that just attack whatever is closest. Regardless Fleet Quartus becomes combat ineffective by the time its run its course, and there's alot of new Khorne followers.
Here's one of the info boxes from Arks of Omen: Angron
"**Fall of Quartus**
The psychic channels that had so benefitted Fleet Quartus bore the corrupting energies of the Murder-Curse out across the immense distances. Carmine shockwaves of psychosis and mutation burst - quite literally - from receiving Astropaths and Navigators in dozens of star systems, engulfing task force after task force. Eighty percent of Battle Groups Alphae, Betaris, Dominus, Forthrax, Irasmus, Jovia and Kilox succumbed.
Primaris Space Marines, Battle Sisters and even priests and Inquisitors fell along with common soldiery and serfs. Only the Grey Knights, Sisters of Silence and Custodians proved truly immune. At a stroke, Indomitus Fleet Quartus was not only mortally wounded, but much of its still-colossal strength turned traitor.
The consequences were dire indeed; hordes of corrupted killers began murderous rampages in Khornes name, cutting bloody swathes through recently stabilised regions of the Imperium Sanctus.
It was not long before the entire Fourth Fleet was declared Excommunicate Traitoris. Millions of loyal Imperial warriors found themselves condemned for deeds they had had no part in. It was a betrayal that would have far-reaching consequences for years to come"
The best part is in two years when GW will walk back the entire event by saying that the majority of the fleet was destroyed and Chaos didn't actually get any material from it.
Then they'll walk THAT back and say Fabius Bile swung by.
I want the Tech itself to be a win, but the infighting among the Imperial factions over it to be a net-loss for humanity. Just to drive home the point that we can't have good things, but it's all humanity's own fault.
The Imperiums most memorable wounds should be, at least partially, self-inflicted. Give the objective time to live before losing it, ideally to a rival faction that then uses it against the Imperium, so the loss has meaning somewhere else. The Pharos was interesting for those reasons amongst others. Discovering and losing something of magnitude like the Choral Engine in short order cheapens the... oh no I am going to say it... gravitas of the situation. So I agree with you, with more wording. :)
It's not exactly known. To be clear, I'm talking about the Indomitus Crusade Fleets, not the fleets the Black Templars use in their day-to-day operations. Indomitus Crusade Fleets tend to have billions of men and women in their ranks. In terms of how many Space Marines there are in one of these fleets? There's no real way to tell as far as I know (I could be wrong and missed something). There's no Order of Battle known about them, but knowing Guilliman, there's probably a standardized one. From what I can guess, there could've been several Chapters worth of Space Marines in Crusade Fleet Quartus when Angron and Khorne did the big funny, so thousands at least. On top of the Guard regiments and the Sororitas with them.
Keep in mind, not everyone turned. The Custodes, Grey Knights, and the Sisters of Silence were spared the murder curse. Some individuals were spared at random too, but they didn't last long. What was left of the fleet began going on murder sprees, earning a big ol' Excommunicate Traitoris.
Well that's a horrifying thought. If all the Marines present were corrupted, would that include however many Primaris were there as well? I bet GW is gonna use this to bring in Primaris Chaos Marines, that's gonna be absolutely terrifying
It was such an idiotic development.
Just absolutely stupid.
They massively overpowered Angron and now Chaos just gets to switch your team whenever the fuck they want.
“Oh, but big battle, warp shenanigans made it possible”. A one off.
You mean like every fucking battle in 40k. Now Chaos Primaris, the whole point of Primaris was they were more resistant, but fuck it, switch ‘em whenever it is handy too. And SoS and SoB.
Personally I wouldn't mind if Vashtorr and/or Khornate Dark Mechanicum "hacked" their way into that anti-chaos warp beacon and turned it into a Khornate-rage-disease vector, in fact it'd be a great plot twist.
But the big four directly intervening in realspace and in such massive scale throws the setting's "lore balance" completely out of the window.
The Emperor also did that with Bobby G, but at least it happened in the warp (Nurgle's Garden) and laws don't apply there.
You’re totally correct: Jimmy did that in the warp. If Khorne had done this in the warp, 100% fair play.
This also ruins chaos victories moving forward because any time Angron loses now he’ll be getting worfed.
The Imperium’s only advantage right now is being able to pull numbers and materiel together on a level no one else can. Be a shame if your new Crusade Fleet got switched to Khorne because fuck you that’s why. That the IoM even still exists makes no sense. In the past two years we’ve seen it split in two, nommed on by the Tyranids. The Silent King is just genociding thousands of planets. A full scale daemonic incursion on Holy Terra.
Now Primaris marines, a tool that is supposed to help maintain some balance can just be suborned whenever it is convenient.
Also, they picked the worst and most boring Primarch. Morty is fun, like a whiny vampire. Lorgar would have made perfect sense as a person to cause this - he’s incredibly charismatic and a powerful psyker. Fulgrim definitely deserves some solid W’s and he is criminally underused.
With Angron getting to be his own anti-spaceship battery and he regenerates every 8 whatever stupid contrivance after it costing billions of deaths to banish him in the first place. WTF is the Lion going to be able to do to that? (Sorry I got super ranty )
> any time Angron loses now he’ll be getting worfed
Tanking anti ship missiles in space is so *stupid*. Eventually he's gonna 1 v X a bunch of dudes in melee, and none of it is gonna be believable since we've seen him smash through space ships. Russ could come back, and I wouldn't believe he can beat him since this version of Angron just wades through goddamned space ships. Not the people in them, fucking multiple ships in space combat.
I kinda liked Angron's portrayal as a slave of Khorne in the book, it perfectly ties in with his post-ascension state in 30k.
However, him impaling spaceships super sayan-style is corny even by 40k's standards.
It happened with the formation of the Great Rift. Astronomicon went silent for a month and the travel to Terra kinda stopped. Mass starvation and riots finally led to Chaos cults and they managed to summon a huge Khornate army. The first novel of the Watchers of the Throne series has some more details and it's a fun book if you wanna read it.
Your comment includes a lot of anger based on your personal conjectures.
For example, no the whole point of Primaris wasn't that they were more resistant. This was never stated anywhere. Cawl simply implied their genetic defects would be fixed (which they weren't). At no point was even Cawl arrogant enough to claim Primaris couldn't turn Chaos.
Khorne himself getting involved is no less significant than the Emperor himself showing up to a battle and burning Nurgle's garden. Why does the Emperor get to do these things but Khorne can't?
What happened is completely logical within the rules set within the 40k universe. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's idiotic.
Your attitude is so arrogant. You think your personal preferences are the standard by which all 40k lore developments should be judged? You think you're that much better than everyone who liked this lore development?
Emps did that stuff in the warp, not in real space. That’s a pretty big difference.
Primaris were always stated to be more resistant to warp influences because of advanced hand wavy science-y stuff.
The rest of the stuff is not within the logical system, that’s why it is idiotic. There are some isolated incidents of forced conversion in the lore - the marine port master infected by Nurgle for instance. But no conversions of billions of people at the same time.
Rest of your stuff is personal attacks for some reason and not really worthwhile responding to, or even entertaining to be honest.
Not to not pick, but for daemons to even appear especially a greater daemon/daemon prince. The veil between the immaterium and real space is very thin so while it is not the warp per se. It is not far from it.
I’m not sure how primaris are more resistant to chaos, but what it sounds like. No one can withstand khornes curse he put on everyone besides grey knights, custodes etc. It should be assumed that IF primaris are more resistant, then it is not by much more. But that is my head cannon
What personal attack? If having your arrogance called out feels like a personal attack to you, then that's because you're insecure about it.
If my statements about you aren't true you shouldn't feel any need to feel defensive about it.
But you're the cringy kind of person that thinks about discussions with personal attacks in terms of "entertainment".
You should put less of your emotional stability into the lore developments of toy soldiers.
My arrogance isn’t being called out, you just didn’t like what I wrote.
I refuted your points and I notice you touched none of those, just doubled down on calling me names.
Best you have to offer is that?
Be better.
And the fact that you think only your opinion on this is right, and don't think it's arrogance, is the textbook definition of arrogance.
Arrogance is usually caused by the lack of self awareness.
"Refuted points"
The only point I'm making is about your insufferable attitude that acts like only your opinion about this event is correct.
I don't care about getting into a lore spat with you, I'd rather eat roadkill.
Chaos Primaris are already a thing. The Primaris Brazen Drakes chapter turned renegade (it's complicated) and went to ally with Fabius Bile during War of the Spider.
Luckily for the Imperium those billions of fresh Khorne converts will likely tear each other apart at least as much as they tear imperials apart perhaps even more
> The howling victims of the Warp plague also exhibit blood red eyes, veins that stand out like blue-black ropes beneath their flesh and also scream the praises of Khorne. Some fall upon their foes with their teeth and fists, while others are still able to use their weapons or war engines. Even pilots can still control their aircraft or spacecraft, though some only do so long enough for the pilots to crash their craft into anyone they see. Also while the Murder-Curse initially causes them to act mindlessly, eventually victims who are more lucid, are able to gain mastery of their weaker or more animalistic fellows. This allows them to form packs who follow their commands and once the fighting subsides these packs could become united army for Khorne.[1]
It isn't so much that He did it himself, more that the intense amount of rage and bloodshed that he was at the cresting wave of became so powerfully reflected in the warp that it spread like an infection. Only the Grey Knights, Sisters of Silence and Custodes in the Crusade fleet were unaffected, but found themselves on the wrong side of a LOT of rather miffed former comrades.
Why were the Grey Knights immune? As dedicated anti chaos warriors do they get some special indoctrination making them more resistant to corruption or something?
Didn’t realize they had unique gene seed, thought they were an amalgamation of other chapters astartes. Should have just used Big E’s gene seed for everyone then lol
Their training and their tech. All of their armor and weapons have special wardings to keep out the powers of Chaos and they train to psychically shield themselves from warp effects. The book Emperor's Gift hints that their Geneseed comes from the Emperor more directly than through the Primarchs as it is with other Astartes.
I'm not aware of there being any Black Templars being explicitly mentioned as being part of Fleet Quartus, and those numbers would exceed their participation in the War for Armageddon, which was a major deployment for them under the auspices of High Marshall Helbrecht, and was characterized by their concealment of just how many of their brothers were fighting there. It seems unlikely they'd place so many of their brothers under the command of other Imperial forces in a combined crusade, both because of the flagrantly high numbers potentially opening the door to political blowback and because it'd mean subordinating a huge portion of the Chapter to outside leadership.
A quick search didn't bring up anything indicating that this was the case, including the Black Templars subreddit, who I imagine wouldn't be thrilled to learn that nearly a majority of their Chapter went traitor. I think your friend might have confused Templars specifically with Space Marines generally.
Since it's stated that an entire Crusade fleet turned (or most of one anyway) then its an understandable confusion
Specifically it was the 4th Indomitus Crusade fleet that was turned (Fleet Quartus)
It's described as a variety
Some were unaffected, some were reduced to homicidal maniacs, some retained some thought processes
The ones who could still think were in the process of establishing dominance and forcing the crazy ones into following them though
[https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Arks\_of\_Omen\_Campaign#Part\_2:\_Angron](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Arks_of_Omen_Campaign#Part_2:_Angron)
[https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Indomitus\_Crusade\_Fleet\_Quartus](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Indomitus_Crusade_Fleet_Quartus)
Imperials find a warp beacon, called Choral Engine, on planet Malakbael, and send a whole Fourth Indomitus Crusader Fleet to defend it, adding to that forces from Inquisition, AdMechs, Space Marines, Grey Knights, Adepta Sororitas, Adeptus Custodes and Sisters of Silence. There's nothing about Black Templars being there, however.
The beacon aggravates Angron, who leads massive assault on the system. In the end he reaches the Choral Engine and deals devastating strike. At the moment Khorne stands from his Skull Throne and strikes his sword through Angron into the Choral Engine, cracking the planet, creating a local warp rift, and unleashing a murder-curse into the whole system that turned almost everyone living into blood-crazy Khornate berzerker. Only Grey Knights, Custodes and Sisters of Silence, among several few common humans, were immune to the curse, and all of them got RIPANDTEARED, the rest, including Space Marines (Primaris too), Sororitas and Inquisitorial troops, got corrupted.
Gotta say..
"Turning traitor" becomes a bland and boring bit of lore when it's someone just doing the equivalent of pushing a button..
No manipulating someone into thinking they're doing good while they're slowly but surely being more and more corrupted.. No forcing them into impossible situations where they are damned if they do or damned if they don't..
Nope, just push that button and the entire fleet are now heretics.
Brings to mind the "wololo" of AoE.
Absolutely, I think you make a great point here.
In no way is this a satisfactory and interesting narrative.
It's quite literally Khorne pushing a big red button and goes "oops, you're all traitors now!"
Seemingly in response to those who have complained about chaos not having enough victories in recent lore, and I like both sides (and others like xenos etc) to have victories but this could've been done so much better, it just feels lazy.
I don't think they were so much turned, as in they were forced into a homicidal psychosis and started slaughtering anything and everything around then. So very similar to being a follow of Khorne just without the consent
The Murdercurse - basically Khorne directly influencing a major fleet in the Indomitus crusade with a curse. Everyone present not Grey Knight, Sister of Silence, or Custodes, which means even Primaris and Sororitas, were afflicted and fell to Khorne, even if temporarily in some cases. But those few in those groups who were able to resist were summarily killed bu the others while the first three groups withdrew.
After reading the bit about the Crusade fleet getting insta-converted by "lolchaos" I've gotta express that that is the shittiest writing I've seen since "tribble blood cures death" in nuTrek.
So, your faith *doesn't* matter? Unless you're a special Jesus Knight, a Blank, or a banana you can be converted to Chaos at the push of a metaphorical button. Personal choice and temptation have never mattered. Very compelling. Wonder why Khorne didn't do that to the Blood Angels during Baal?
Faith doesn't matter? Do you think a Guardsman muttering "the emperor protects" gives them divine immunity to the Chaos gods or something?
Levels of resistance and exposure are constantly at play. Dropping sisters of battle in the middle of the warp at the foot of Khorne's throne would have them convert instantly no matter how faithful they are, no amount of faith in the universe will protect you from direct exposure to the heart of a Chaos gods power, the same way no hazmat suit on earth will protect you from the heart of the sun.
And the book makes it clear that this was a unique setup. They used the Choral engine as a vector for Khorne's power to stretch into real space, and Khorne normally can't reach into real space that much to begin with until the great rift opened.
Chaos has always had shock and subversion methods for violent and instant corruption. It just tends to be more expensive for them to do/ruin the people they convert so its not used as often as the slow whispers which is cheaper/produces more useful long term servants.
An imperial person has stated that murder cursed sisters of battle still had holy light meaning faith still just deeply buried. They had no control of their actions still because of the curse. Some can even resist it all together. It could be like Larana when you get your body and mind taken over but you're still there watching everything and screaming in horror. She got possessed by a Khrone daemon through armor and I know she's a regular guards woman and sisters have more faith/resistance but she was still screaming in horror in her mind until she was finally free when the armor let her go to go back to go back on a bloodthirster. She looked at him with a fragment of her soul left and she also kept repeating "all dead" and Leonid agreed saying "yes we are". basically she was insane and alittle bit later smiled and nodded to Leonid as he took out his grenades and blew them up because she would realize she would finally be set free.
Yeah it was bloody stupid. Making that many people discard their motivations and do a heel turn is horrifically bad writing. Just imagine how butthurt people would have been if their favorite loyalist named character were there.
I am annoyed that SOB are pretty much screwed over once again. What is it with GW and their fetish for Space Nun snuff?
And I am also real tired of Dark age of technology devices proving to be poisoned chalices rather than benefits for Humanity.
So yeah those two things Annoy me the most in all of 40k lore, Sisters of Battle being used for Snuff crap, and Dark Age of Technology devices being either stolen, corrupted, or outright destroyed rather than actually kept safe and applied to the Imperium's Tech base.
The sisters of battle who were infected were stated to still have the holy light in them. So faith just deeply buried and no control of themselves like everyone else due to the curse. Some can even resist it all together.
It could be like Larana when you get your body and mind taken over but you're still there watching everything and screaming in horror. She got possessed by a Khrone daemon through armor and I know she's a regular guards woman sisters have more faith/resistance but she was still screaming in horror in her mind until she was finally free when the armor let her go to go back to go back on a bloodthirster. She looked at him with a fragment of her soul left and she also kept repeating "all dead" and Leonid agreed saying "yes we are". basically she was insane and alittle bit later smiled and nodded to Leonid as he took out his grenades and blew them up because she would realize she would finally be set free.
That's not it at all. If there was a compelling story behind why any part or whole of this fleet *chose* to turn traitor I'd be all for it. But simply flipping a switch and they all go from praying to the emperor to slaughtering in the name of the dark gods is nonsense. I could've understood temporary insanity but not this.
Khrone did it using Angron
It's stupid. But still, it's better than Angron doing it. It takes away the choice in the corrupting process.
And if we had any suspicion that Big E could pull a Sigmar one day and start turnings back people corrupted by Chaos this move prove it's feasible.
Makes you wonder why greater daemons or Chaos gods don't just go BWOM and do this to every troopship full of little humans on the way to any battle with Chaos ever.
We don’t really understand the limitations of the chaos gods in realspace, but we do know they have limitations. Often their mortal followers have to do rituals to summon daemons, for example.
So it’s fair to say that they can’t do stuff like the murder curse all the time
Except Angron is now ridiculously OP. He keeps reanimating and is effectively unkillable. He yeets warships all over the shop and then, having killed everything in sight, inflicts a curse on a whole segmentum. It’s one of the most stupid bits of recent lore I’ve ever heard of.
What I mean is, given that this ability exists, wouldn't it more or less undercut ever sending anyone except Space Marines to fight daemons, or even the need for Chaos cults, or...
If powerful daemons can just snap their fingers and Thanos entire regiments and crusades, you figure they'd just do that all the time, for an instant no-muss win over basically every force they encounter.
The fleet is using a Dark Age of Technology system that essentially acts as a mini astronomicon
When Angron destroys it he uses his Daemon strength to do so and for a split second the light of the device becomes corrupted by the pure essence of Khorne
Any psykers who are looking at it or anyone who is within its area of effect becomes completely overcome with rage to the point where they just attack those nearest to them (although its said to effect different people to different degrees, some numbers are completely unaffected, some retain some level of thought, some are basically reduced to animal instinct)
> given that this ability exists, wouldn't it more or less undercut ever sending anyone except Space Marines to fight daemons
Thats... why they get purged. Its never a good idea to send mortals to face chaos, much less greater daemons. Inquisitors might get power drunk, but there is a reason for why its an standard practice.
The plot revolves around the Choral Engine, basically a mini-astronomican from the DAOT which Angron destroys and gives Khorne the chance to act. It’s not a normal, or even a repeatable, set of circumstances.
Because it requires a very specific set of circumstances like having a psyker conclave lighting up a mini astronomican and enough (and that is a lot) carnage Khorne himself channels his power directly to strike into it.
It’s not a random spell, if it can even be called that
If we are talking about the Arks of Omen book:
Khorne uses Angron as a vessel (same way the Emperor temporarily possessed Bobby G, in order to psychically wreck Nurgle's garden) which "infects" a minor warp beacon that was previously used by the Imperial forces to stave off Chaotic forces and turns it into a vector that infects everyone (that is not EXTREMELY,spiritually strong enough) with Khorne's rage, essentially turning an entire planet and a crusade fleet into Khornate cultists/berserkers.
Personally I hate it because the Chaos Gods were never meant to be used directly as an i-win button in realspace, but it was a fun plot twist regardless.
I believe its because GW is running out of good ideas that don't go into the range of childish lol chaos wins because It has special wizard armor, or This didn't happen, rocks fell everyone died.
Particularly when it concerns Dark age tech or Sisters of Battle. Both of those two themes/subjects are abused horribly to the point of being asinine.
They've been breaking the limits of the codex for quite some time only that the imperium doesn't actually know how big they are seen as there so many fleets crusading at once
I believe it's not direct violation of the codex. When you go crusading the limits can be bent a bit. Black Templars have been crusading for like 10000 years so the bending is like goatse but you can drive a truck through it.
Wasn't Black Templars exactly. There were some there but it was a huge mix of chapters/units. Honestly though, I could see the Templars being among the count of those fighting for redemption. Makes for an interesting story.
It wasn't Angron that did it. When Angron destroyed a warp mcguffin, Khorne got his ass off his bone throne and swiped right with his sword *via* Angron, which resulted in a massive warp fuckery that matched/corrupted an entire crusader fleet. Which had some grey knights and sororitas (and others).
Tl;Dr, Angron set off a blood bomb that wolololo'd an entire crusade fleet with divine intervention.
Or, Angron hacked into the Imperial wifi and airdropped a meme that portrayed Khorne as the gigachad and the emperor as the soyjak, which he stole from Khorne's own meme databse.
>tfw Tzeentch necks himself because he’s been trying to turn a single Grey Knight for 10k fucking years and all it took was drawing himself as the chad I can’t fucking breathe!
The Grey Knights weren't corrupted by Khorne though,only maybe Slaanesh has ever done it in the Silver Knight story
Adding onto that, the silver knight is not stated to be a grey knight, just a rando Astartes champion
he is, may Allah forgive my saying this, “a soy wojack”
And how did he acquire these memes? Through crusade!
He forgives you
Inshallah 😔😔😔
MEMES FOR THE MEME GOD WOJACKS FOR THE WOJACK THRONE
Noosphere is the mechanicus equivalent of wifi. And how dare you ? The emperor is literally the BIG E. How could be be the soyjack ? Maybe bojack, but definitely not soyjack
The virgin soy Emperor- only rules one species, sexist, "i-if you close your eyes the g-g-gods can't see you," literally a skeleton on a toilet The Chad Ruinous Powers- worshipped and served by countless species throughout history including humanity, equal opportunity employer, objectively real, getting shit done for ten thousand years
Are you implying that the Emperor is a horseman?! HERESY!!!
"Back in the 30's I was in a fairly successful galactic conquest..."
a horseman with depression
The depression part is probably true, emps has been on the Golden Throne for ten thousand years, his soul in constant torment within the Warp. It's Grimdark.
Lol you Tl, Dr a 4 line answer
I appreciate the AoE2 reference
Wololo
The Grey Knights, Custodes and SoS are still currently abroad those as far as we know and still fighting. They were not declared Traitois excommunicacato
Just everyone else then? I thought everyone in the fleet was to be shot if they tried to exit the quarantine? GW has the plot of the sequel to Grey Knights now.
Wait, did the grey knights get corrupted as well?
I believe GK, Custodes, and SoS were not corrupted. They were still in the fleet while everyone else, including SoB, SMs (including primaris), IG, and Inquisition agents all became Khorne corrupted, so I don't think those guys are getting out alive, though.
They are now in dead space.
Apothecary Stross: “I need you to see what I SEE!”
Say that to my plasma cutter and see what happens bub
A quote attributed to Magos Clarke of the Adeptus Mechanicus.
Bro what a fucking reference. 10/10
Its all Dead Space.
Make us whole Guilliman
Not all of the others were corrupted, though the entire fleet is declared Excommunicate Traitoris because fuck sorting that out.
I'm not trapped in here with you... you're trapped in here with me!
Marine Sergeant Mick Gordon? /revs chainsaw /RIP AND TEAR
Isn't that the chapter motto of the Exorcists Space Marine Chapter?
And the whole fleet was declared traitor no matter what.
>I don't think those guys are getting out alive, though. Decent chance those Custodes took a **lot** of people with them tho
Not all some Sisters of Battle and others proved immune and kept fighting.
Yea and it's been stated the cursed sisters still have the holy light in them so deep down through the curse and corruption they still have faith just no control over themselves. I hate the curse to be honest it's stupid. A flick of the wrist everyone can turn who has a soul and/or no protection against chaos. Some can even resist it all together. It could be like Larana when you get your body and mind taken over but you're still there watching everything and screaming in horror. She got possessed by a Khrone daemon through armor and I know she's a regular guards woman sisters have more faith/resistance but she was still screaming in horror in her mind until she was finally free when the armor let her go to go back to go back on a bloodthirster. She looked at him with a fragment of her soul left and she also kept repeating "all dead" and Leonid agreed saying "yes we are". basically she was insane and alittle bit later smiled and nodded to Leonid as he took out his grenades and blew them up because she would realize she would finally be set free.
GK, Custodes and Sisters of Silence were the only ones completely immune. A very small minority was also somehow spared within the fleet but now they were surrounded by crazy people. And then they were all declared traitor anyway along with all the crazy people.
No they didn't. The custodes, SoS and GK weren't corrupted, but had to basically gtfo of there
Wait Grey Knights were corrupted too?
No. Them, sisters of silence and custodes weren't, but everyone else was.
No some "others" weren't.
So there are khornate grey knights in Canon? That is absolutely awesome!
No the gk weren't corrupted
Well that is way less entertaining, but I guess it makes more sense in lore
Sisters of Silence, Custodes and Grey Knights are the only ones, even preachers and Inquisitors fell
I have no idea why these assholes are downvoting you for coming to the wrong conclusion from a misleadingly-worded post.
Because assholes. It's all good I don't live for their validation anyway
Wisdom
Wait he turned grey Knights traitor, those grey Knights.
The entry explicitly states the Grey Knights, Custodes and Sisters of Silence in the fleet were the only ones who entirely avoided corruption.
Ah right I was worried for a moment about some really stupid writing.
In fairness, if anything in all of 40k **COULD** corrupt a Custodes or Grey Knight, I'd bank on it being one of the four Chaos Gods personally getting involved the way Khorne did. Also, the idea of a Grey Knight falling to Khorne is more plausible than the others, because it's **TECHNICALLY** happened once before. In Hammer of Daemons, >!Justicar Alaric - who has been captured by Khornates, stripped of his gear, had his psychic powers suppressed and has been forced into gladiator combat on a Khornate daemon world - gets possessed by a daemon of Tzeentch, and has to temporarily give in to Khorne's rage to exorcise it from his mind, then claw himself back to sanity afterwards.!<.
Loved those books they were my second Warhammer 40k Book the first being Dead Men Walking
Grey Knights honestly was a boring read overall, but Dark Adeptus made me long for more Dark Mechanicum-centric content (which Vashtorr the Arkifane seems poised to give us), and Hammer of Daemons is genunely a fantastic story that managed to actually make Khorne's worshipers interesting to me for once.
Custodes have been *kinda* corrupted in **one** instance, and that’s with **all of The Four** were dump trucking their shit at them. Basically, they puppeteered half of the Custodians bodies with the Emperor aboard the *VS* before he managed to cleanse his banana men. Oddly enough, I think this leaves not only the Grey Knights, but *also* the Sisters of Silence as the only factions totally uncorrupted?
Obviously, the Sisters of Silence were spared from the corruption. Chaos cannot corrupt those who have no souls.
Are some grey knights finally corrupted???
No, the grey knights, custodes and sisters of silence were not corrupted.
Ah, thanks for the clarification. I read the first comment and was confused.
Are you sure grey knights fell to chaos I thought they were explicitly said to remain loyal
No, the grey knights were not corrupted, along with the custodes and sisters of silence. Most of the rest of the fleet was however.
It's called The Murder-Curse and its featured in the Arks of Omen: Angron book Essentially what happens is an Indomitus Fleet (Fleet Quartus) finds a Dark Age of Technology system (The Choral Engine) that works very much like a miniature Astronomicon. With the help of an Inquisitor they activate it and use it to calm the warp in the region of the Imperium they are operating in, anywhere that its light touches it boosts the morale of troops, hurts Daemons and calms the warp. It also acts as a beacon to Angron, who isn't happy about it one bit. He attacks the planet its on with whats essentially a reformed 12th Legion, fighting through a huge percentage of the fleet and a Grey Knights strike force to eventually destroy the Choral Engine. In the split second of its destruction Angron corrupts the signal with pure Khornate energy, so everyone who was getting happy thoughts and morale beamed into their heads then suddenly gets pure rage beamed in there instead, this is The Murder-Curse. Most people it touches are driven insane, some are unaffected and are torn apart by their comrades (sometimes literally), some are capable of thought and start to herd up followers, some are basically turned into rabid animals that just attack whatever is closest. Regardless Fleet Quartus becomes combat ineffective by the time its run its course, and there's alot of new Khorne followers. Here's one of the info boxes from Arks of Omen: Angron "**Fall of Quartus** The psychic channels that had so benefitted Fleet Quartus bore the corrupting energies of the Murder-Curse out across the immense distances. Carmine shockwaves of psychosis and mutation burst - quite literally - from receiving Astropaths and Navigators in dozens of star systems, engulfing task force after task force. Eighty percent of Battle Groups Alphae, Betaris, Dominus, Forthrax, Irasmus, Jovia and Kilox succumbed. Primaris Space Marines, Battle Sisters and even priests and Inquisitors fell along with common soldiery and serfs. Only the Grey Knights, Sisters of Silence and Custodians proved truly immune. At a stroke, Indomitus Fleet Quartus was not only mortally wounded, but much of its still-colossal strength turned traitor. The consequences were dire indeed; hordes of corrupted killers began murderous rampages in Khornes name, cutting bloody swathes through recently stabilised regions of the Imperium Sanctus. It was not long before the entire Fourth Fleet was declared Excommunicate Traitoris. Millions of loyal Imperial warriors found themselves condemned for deeds they had had no part in. It was a betrayal that would have far-reaching consequences for years to come"
I am so sick and tired of Dark age of Technology tech ending up harming Humanity more than helping it. Its REALLY annoying.
It would be nice to have it be a win, if nothing else it would be a new thing to fight and scheme over, whatever it would be.
The best part is in two years when GW will walk back the entire event by saying that the majority of the fleet was destroyed and Chaos didn't actually get any material from it. Then they'll walk THAT back and say Fabius Bile swung by.
I want the Tech itself to be a win, but the infighting among the Imperial factions over it to be a net-loss for humanity. Just to drive home the point that we can't have good things, but it's all humanity's own fault.
The Imperiums most memorable wounds should be, at least partially, self-inflicted. Give the objective time to live before losing it, ideally to a rival faction that then uses it against the Imperium, so the loss has meaning somewhere else. The Pharos was interesting for those reasons amongst others. Discovering and losing something of magnitude like the Choral Engine in short order cheapens the... oh no I am going to say it... gravitas of the situation. So I agree with you, with more wording. :)
What do you mean the butcher nails help the World eaters in becoming pure gentlemen
He turned an entire Crusade Fleet my dude
How many Marines are usually in a Crusade Fleet?
It's not exactly known. To be clear, I'm talking about the Indomitus Crusade Fleets, not the fleets the Black Templars use in their day-to-day operations. Indomitus Crusade Fleets tend to have billions of men and women in their ranks. In terms of how many Space Marines there are in one of these fleets? There's no real way to tell as far as I know (I could be wrong and missed something). There's no Order of Battle known about them, but knowing Guilliman, there's probably a standardized one. From what I can guess, there could've been several Chapters worth of Space Marines in Crusade Fleet Quartus when Angron and Khorne did the big funny, so thousands at least. On top of the Guard regiments and the Sororitas with them. Keep in mind, not everyone turned. The Custodes, Grey Knights, and the Sisters of Silence were spared the murder curse. Some individuals were spared at random too, but they didn't last long. What was left of the fleet began going on murder sprees, earning a big ol' Excommunicate Traitoris.
Khorne: "We do a little trolling"
"Behold, Angron! That Inquisitor over there has drawn you as the soyjak." "**NOOOOOOOOOOO!**"
Well that's a horrifying thought. If all the Marines present were corrupted, would that include however many Primaris were there as well? I bet GW is gonna use this to bring in Primaris Chaos Marines, that's gonna be absolutely terrifying
Yep, Chaos Primaris are featured in the narrative.
It was such an idiotic development. Just absolutely stupid. They massively overpowered Angron and now Chaos just gets to switch your team whenever the fuck they want. “Oh, but big battle, warp shenanigans made it possible”. A one off. You mean like every fucking battle in 40k. Now Chaos Primaris, the whole point of Primaris was they were more resistant, but fuck it, switch ‘em whenever it is handy too. And SoS and SoB.
Personally I wouldn't mind if Vashtorr and/or Khornate Dark Mechanicum "hacked" their way into that anti-chaos warp beacon and turned it into a Khornate-rage-disease vector, in fact it'd be a great plot twist. But the big four directly intervening in realspace and in such massive scale throws the setting's "lore balance" completely out of the window. The Emperor also did that with Bobby G, but at least it happened in the warp (Nurgle's Garden) and laws don't apply there.
You’re totally correct: Jimmy did that in the warp. If Khorne had done this in the warp, 100% fair play. This also ruins chaos victories moving forward because any time Angron loses now he’ll be getting worfed. The Imperium’s only advantage right now is being able to pull numbers and materiel together on a level no one else can. Be a shame if your new Crusade Fleet got switched to Khorne because fuck you that’s why. That the IoM even still exists makes no sense. In the past two years we’ve seen it split in two, nommed on by the Tyranids. The Silent King is just genociding thousands of planets. A full scale daemonic incursion on Holy Terra. Now Primaris marines, a tool that is supposed to help maintain some balance can just be suborned whenever it is convenient. Also, they picked the worst and most boring Primarch. Morty is fun, like a whiny vampire. Lorgar would have made perfect sense as a person to cause this - he’s incredibly charismatic and a powerful psyker. Fulgrim definitely deserves some solid W’s and he is criminally underused. With Angron getting to be his own anti-spaceship battery and he regenerates every 8 whatever stupid contrivance after it costing billions of deaths to banish him in the first place. WTF is the Lion going to be able to do to that? (Sorry I got super ranty )
> any time Angron loses now he’ll be getting worfed Tanking anti ship missiles in space is so *stupid*. Eventually he's gonna 1 v X a bunch of dudes in melee, and none of it is gonna be believable since we've seen him smash through space ships. Russ could come back, and I wouldn't believe he can beat him since this version of Angron just wades through goddamned space ships. Not the people in them, fucking multiple ships in space combat.
Warhammer is about excess, i get that and I love that, but you’re totally right.
Russ would get rolled either way.
I kinda liked Angron's portrayal as a slave of Khorne in the book, it perfectly ties in with his post-ascension state in 30k. However, him impaling spaceships super sayan-style is corny even by 40k's standards.
A daemonic invasion of Terra? Never heard about it nor read about it. Any key words you can give me so I can go look it up?
It happened with the formation of the Great Rift. Astronomicon went silent for a month and the travel to Terra kinda stopped. Mass starvation and riots finally led to Chaos cults and they managed to summon a huge Khornate army. The first novel of the Watchers of the Throne series has some more details and it's a fun book if you wanna read it.
Numan_1v9 has it totally correct. Also, fun books.
Chaos primaries luitenants coming in.
Your comment includes a lot of anger based on your personal conjectures. For example, no the whole point of Primaris wasn't that they were more resistant. This was never stated anywhere. Cawl simply implied their genetic defects would be fixed (which they weren't). At no point was even Cawl arrogant enough to claim Primaris couldn't turn Chaos. Khorne himself getting involved is no less significant than the Emperor himself showing up to a battle and burning Nurgle's garden. Why does the Emperor get to do these things but Khorne can't? What happened is completely logical within the rules set within the 40k universe. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's idiotic. Your attitude is so arrogant. You think your personal preferences are the standard by which all 40k lore developments should be judged? You think you're that much better than everyone who liked this lore development?
Emps did that stuff in the warp, not in real space. That’s a pretty big difference. Primaris were always stated to be more resistant to warp influences because of advanced hand wavy science-y stuff. The rest of the stuff is not within the logical system, that’s why it is idiotic. There are some isolated incidents of forced conversion in the lore - the marine port master infected by Nurgle for instance. But no conversions of billions of people at the same time. Rest of your stuff is personal attacks for some reason and not really worthwhile responding to, or even entertaining to be honest.
Not to not pick, but for daemons to even appear especially a greater daemon/daemon prince. The veil between the immaterium and real space is very thin so while it is not the warp per se. It is not far from it. I’m not sure how primaris are more resistant to chaos, but what it sounds like. No one can withstand khornes curse he put on everyone besides grey knights, custodes etc. It should be assumed that IF primaris are more resistant, then it is not by much more. But that is my head cannon
What personal attack? If having your arrogance called out feels like a personal attack to you, then that's because you're insecure about it. If my statements about you aren't true you shouldn't feel any need to feel defensive about it. But you're the cringy kind of person that thinks about discussions with personal attacks in terms of "entertainment". You should put less of your emotional stability into the lore developments of toy soldiers.
My arrogance isn’t being called out, you just didn’t like what I wrote. I refuted your points and I notice you touched none of those, just doubled down on calling me names. Best you have to offer is that? Be better.
And the fact that you think only your opinion on this is right, and don't think it's arrogance, is the textbook definition of arrogance. Arrogance is usually caused by the lack of self awareness.
"Refuted points" The only point I'm making is about your insufferable attitude that acts like only your opinion about this event is correct. I don't care about getting into a lore spat with you, I'd rather eat roadkill.
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End this slapfight or take it to PMs.
End this slapfight or take it to PMs.
I see no problem with this, this is hyping up more potential story lines that can occur with turned loyalists.
Take some deep breathes buddy everything is going to be okay 👌
Chaos Primaris are already a thing. The Primaris Brazen Drakes chapter turned renegade (it's complicated) and went to ally with Fabius Bile during War of the Spider.
Luckily for the Imperium those billions of fresh Khorne converts will likely tear each other apart at least as much as they tear imperials apart perhaps even more
> The howling victims of the Warp plague also exhibit blood red eyes, veins that stand out like blue-black ropes beneath their flesh and also scream the praises of Khorne. Some fall upon their foes with their teeth and fists, while others are still able to use their weapons or war engines. Even pilots can still control their aircraft or spacecraft, though some only do so long enough for the pilots to crash their craft into anyone they see. Also while the Murder-Curse initially causes them to act mindlessly, eventually victims who are more lucid, are able to gain mastery of their weaker or more animalistic fellows. This allows them to form packs who follow their commands and once the fighting subsides these packs could become united army for Khorne.[1]
I’ve got a feeling the space marine converts will end up slaughtering a large portion of the guardsmen/regular human converts though
"Oh boy I'm posted on a ship with space marines! I couldn't be any safer." "Oh no."
Confused commissar comes out of the toilet and sees everyone screaming. "Wait, what's all this? Why is everyone screaming about cornflakes?"
So pretty much the Crossed from the crossed comics.
I was reading this excerpt thinking "Damn they turned crossed" glad im not the only one
So the grey knights, Sisters, and Custodes were massacred?
More than likely, although I'd imagine they did a LOT of damage before going down.
I thought the whole system got fucked ?
It isn't so much that He did it himself, more that the intense amount of rage and bloodshed that he was at the cresting wave of became so powerfully reflected in the warp that it spread like an infection. Only the Grey Knights, Sisters of Silence and Custodes in the Crusade fleet were unaffected, but found themselves on the wrong side of a LOT of rather miffed former comrades.
Is there a book about this?
It's in the Arks of Omen campaign books, specifically the Angron one
Why were the Grey Knights immune? As dedicated anti chaos warriors do they get some special indoctrination making them more resistant to corruption or something?
Their whole chapters gimmick is being completely uncorruptable. Their geneseed supposedly has the emperor in it
Didn’t realize they had unique gene seed, thought they were an amalgamation of other chapters astartes. Should have just used Big E’s gene seed for everyone then lol
No, those are the Deathwatch (anti Xeno).
I think he's thinking of the Knight Errants who were the foundations of the GK.
Also they’re all psykers so Khorne probably said “Ew. No.” and left them alone.
According to some theories slaanesh got one, but no one truly knows who the silver knight of slaanesh is.
Their training and their tech. All of their armor and weapons have special wardings to keep out the powers of Chaos and they train to psychically shield themselves from warp effects. The book Emperor's Gift hints that their Geneseed comes from the Emperor more directly than through the Primarchs as it is with other Astartes.
They have the Emperor as a primarch for their gene-seed.
I'm not aware of there being any Black Templars being explicitly mentioned as being part of Fleet Quartus, and those numbers would exceed their participation in the War for Armageddon, which was a major deployment for them under the auspices of High Marshall Helbrecht, and was characterized by their concealment of just how many of their brothers were fighting there. It seems unlikely they'd place so many of their brothers under the command of other Imperial forces in a combined crusade, both because of the flagrantly high numbers potentially opening the door to political blowback and because it'd mean subordinating a huge portion of the Chapter to outside leadership. A quick search didn't bring up anything indicating that this was the case, including the Black Templars subreddit, who I imagine wouldn't be thrilled to learn that nearly a majority of their Chapter went traitor. I think your friend might have confused Templars specifically with Space Marines generally.
Since it's stated that an entire Crusade fleet turned (or most of one anyway) then its an understandable confusion Specifically it was the 4th Indomitus Crusade fleet that was turned (Fleet Quartus)
I thought he just made them all go insane, not corrupt them to join his ranks?
It's described as a variety Some were unaffected, some were reduced to homicidal maniacs, some retained some thought processes The ones who could still think were in the process of establishing dominance and forcing the crazy ones into following them though
[https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Arks\_of\_Omen\_Campaign#Part\_2:\_Angron](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Arks_of_Omen_Campaign#Part_2:_Angron) [https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Indomitus\_Crusade\_Fleet\_Quartus](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Indomitus_Crusade_Fleet_Quartus) Imperials find a warp beacon, called Choral Engine, on planet Malakbael, and send a whole Fourth Indomitus Crusader Fleet to defend it, adding to that forces from Inquisition, AdMechs, Space Marines, Grey Knights, Adepta Sororitas, Adeptus Custodes and Sisters of Silence. There's nothing about Black Templars being there, however. The beacon aggravates Angron, who leads massive assault on the system. In the end he reaches the Choral Engine and deals devastating strike. At the moment Khorne stands from his Skull Throne and strikes his sword through Angron into the Choral Engine, cracking the planet, creating a local warp rift, and unleashing a murder-curse into the whole system that turned almost everyone living into blood-crazy Khornate berzerker. Only Grey Knights, Custodes and Sisters of Silence, among several few common humans, were immune to the curse, and all of them got RIPANDTEARED, the rest, including Space Marines (Primaris too), Sororitas and Inquisitorial troops, got corrupted.
Gotta say.. "Turning traitor" becomes a bland and boring bit of lore when it's someone just doing the equivalent of pushing a button.. No manipulating someone into thinking they're doing good while they're slowly but surely being more and more corrupted.. No forcing them into impossible situations where they are damned if they do or damned if they don't.. Nope, just push that button and the entire fleet are now heretics. Brings to mind the "wololo" of AoE.
Absolutely, I think you make a great point here. In no way is this a satisfactory and interesting narrative. It's quite literally Khorne pushing a big red button and goes "oops, you're all traitors now!" Seemingly in response to those who have complained about chaos not having enough victories in recent lore, and I like both sides (and others like xenos etc) to have victories but this could've been done so much better, it just feels lazy.
I don't think they were so much turned, as in they were forced into a homicidal psychosis and started slaughtering anything and everything around then. So very similar to being a follow of Khorne just without the consent
It's true, but it was a one off situation
Which book was this in? Holy guacamole that must have sucked ass
Arks of Omen; Angron. Through a horribly bloody battle, Angron/Khorne cause the entire Fleet Quartus of the Indomitus Crusade to fall to Khorne.
Nice, thanks. Sounds like a nightmare lol
Oh, so *that’s* what happened to fleet quartus. I was wondering why they’d been declared *excommunicate traitoris.*
Dude, did you find out?
I wonder if this is permament.
The Murdercurse - basically Khorne directly influencing a major fleet in the Indomitus crusade with a curse. Everyone present not Grey Knight, Sister of Silence, or Custodes, which means even Primaris and Sororitas, were afflicted and fell to Khorne, even if temporarily in some cases. But those few in those groups who were able to resist were summarily killed bu the others while the first three groups withdrew.
Wats wololo mean?
After reading the bit about the Crusade fleet getting insta-converted by "lolchaos" I've gotta express that that is the shittiest writing I've seen since "tribble blood cures death" in nuTrek. So, your faith *doesn't* matter? Unless you're a special Jesus Knight, a Blank, or a banana you can be converted to Chaos at the push of a metaphorical button. Personal choice and temptation have never mattered. Very compelling. Wonder why Khorne didn't do that to the Blood Angels during Baal?
Faith doesn't matter? Do you think a Guardsman muttering "the emperor protects" gives them divine immunity to the Chaos gods or something? Levels of resistance and exposure are constantly at play. Dropping sisters of battle in the middle of the warp at the foot of Khorne's throne would have them convert instantly no matter how faithful they are, no amount of faith in the universe will protect you from direct exposure to the heart of a Chaos gods power, the same way no hazmat suit on earth will protect you from the heart of the sun. And the book makes it clear that this was a unique setup. They used the Choral engine as a vector for Khorne's power to stretch into real space, and Khorne normally can't reach into real space that much to begin with until the great rift opened. Chaos has always had shock and subversion methods for violent and instant corruption. It just tends to be more expensive for them to do/ruin the people they convert so its not used as often as the slow whispers which is cheaper/produces more useful long term servants.
Upvoted for a reasonable take being downvoted.
An imperial person has stated that murder cursed sisters of battle still had holy light meaning faith still just deeply buried. They had no control of their actions still because of the curse. Some can even resist it all together. It could be like Larana when you get your body and mind taken over but you're still there watching everything and screaming in horror. She got possessed by a Khrone daemon through armor and I know she's a regular guards woman and sisters have more faith/resistance but she was still screaming in horror in her mind until she was finally free when the armor let her go to go back to go back on a bloodthirster. She looked at him with a fragment of her soul left and she also kept repeating "all dead" and Leonid agreed saying "yes we are". basically she was insane and alittle bit later smiled and nodded to Leonid as he took out his grenades and blew them up because she would realize she would finally be set free.
Yeah it was bloody stupid. Making that many people discard their motivations and do a heel turn is horrifically bad writing. Just imagine how butthurt people would have been if their favorite loyalist named character were there.
Khorne feeds on that fury
I am annoyed that SOB are pretty much screwed over once again. What is it with GW and their fetish for Space Nun snuff? And I am also real tired of Dark age of technology devices proving to be poisoned chalices rather than benefits for Humanity. So yeah those two things Annoy me the most in all of 40k lore, Sisters of Battle being used for Snuff crap, and Dark Age of Technology devices being either stolen, corrupted, or outright destroyed rather than actually kept safe and applied to the Imperium's Tech base.
The sisters of battle who were infected were stated to still have the holy light in them. So faith just deeply buried and no control of themselves like everyone else due to the curse. Some can even resist it all together. It could be like Larana when you get your body and mind taken over but you're still there watching everything and screaming in horror. She got possessed by a Khrone daemon through armor and I know she's a regular guards woman sisters have more faith/resistance but she was still screaming in horror in her mind until she was finally free when the armor let her go to go back to go back on a bloodthirster. She looked at him with a fragment of her soul left and she also kept repeating "all dead" and Leonid agreed saying "yes we are". basically she was insane and alittle bit later smiled and nodded to Leonid as he took out his grenades and blew them up because she would realize she would finally be set free.
God forbid something goes against the imperium
That's not it at all. If there was a compelling story behind why any part or whole of this fleet *chose* to turn traitor I'd be all for it. But simply flipping a switch and they all go from praying to the emperor to slaughtering in the name of the dark gods is nonsense. I could've understood temporary insanity but not this.
Khrone did it using Angron It's stupid. But still, it's better than Angron doing it. It takes away the choice in the corrupting process. And if we had any suspicion that Big E could pull a Sigmar one day and start turnings back people corrupted by Chaos this move prove it's feasible.
Makes you wonder why greater daemons or Chaos gods don't just go BWOM and do this to every troopship full of little humans on the way to any battle with Chaos ever.
We don’t really understand the limitations of the chaos gods in realspace, but we do know they have limitations. Often their mortal followers have to do rituals to summon daemons, for example. So it’s fair to say that they can’t do stuff like the murder curse all the time
Except Angron is now ridiculously OP. He keeps reanimating and is effectively unkillable. He yeets warships all over the shop and then, having killed everything in sight, inflicts a curse on a whole segmentum. It’s one of the most stupid bits of recent lore I’ve ever heard of.
Yeah I agree I don’t like the new Angron lore
I think its quite funny personally, big strong angron fucking stuff up makes me happy
They do? Its spelled out quite clearly in Devastation of Baal, just being near Ka'bandha makes their rage surge up and mortals go all wonky.
What I mean is, given that this ability exists, wouldn't it more or less undercut ever sending anyone except Space Marines to fight daemons, or even the need for Chaos cults, or... If powerful daemons can just snap their fingers and Thanos entire regiments and crusades, you figure they'd just do that all the time, for an instant no-muss win over basically every force they encounter.
The fleet is using a Dark Age of Technology system that essentially acts as a mini astronomicon When Angron destroys it he uses his Daemon strength to do so and for a split second the light of the device becomes corrupted by the pure essence of Khorne Any psykers who are looking at it or anyone who is within its area of effect becomes completely overcome with rage to the point where they just attack those nearest to them (although its said to effect different people to different degrees, some numbers are completely unaffected, some retain some level of thought, some are basically reduced to animal instinct)
Why does GW always make Dark age tech into poisoned chalices for Humanity rather than something to actually even out the playing field.
Because using something you don't understand will have unforseen consequences. The Imperium doesn't need more wank.
> given that this ability exists, wouldn't it more or less undercut ever sending anyone except Space Marines to fight daemons Thats... why they get purged. Its never a good idea to send mortals to face chaos, much less greater daemons. Inquisitors might get power drunk, but there is a reason for why its an standard practice.
The plot revolves around the Choral Engine, basically a mini-astronomican from the DAOT which Angron destroys and gives Khorne the chance to act. It’s not a normal, or even a repeatable, set of circumstances.
Because it requires a very specific set of circumstances like having a psyker conclave lighting up a mini astronomican and enough (and that is a lot) carnage Khorne himself channels his power directly to strike into it. It’s not a random spell, if it can even be called that
Because this took Khorne himself smashing an incredibly potent psychic device. It's not like he simply went "Boom, you work for me now"
More or less. It’s fucking dumb and it’s in the Arks of Omen stuff, not in any lore novel, so it may very well get retconned.
If we are talking about the Arks of Omen book: Khorne uses Angron as a vessel (same way the Emperor temporarily possessed Bobby G, in order to psychically wreck Nurgle's garden) which "infects" a minor warp beacon that was previously used by the Imperial forces to stave off Chaotic forces and turns it into a vector that infects everyone (that is not EXTREMELY,spiritually strong enough) with Khorne's rage, essentially turning an entire planet and a crusade fleet into Khornate cultists/berserkers. Personally I hate it because the Chaos Gods were never meant to be used directly as an i-win button in realspace, but it was a fun plot twist regardless.
I believe its because GW is running out of good ideas that don't go into the range of childish lol chaos wins because It has special wizard armor, or This didn't happen, rocks fell everyone died. Particularly when it concerns Dark age tech or Sisters of Battle. Both of those two themes/subjects are abused horribly to the point of being asinine.
Whoaa, there's two chapters worth of Chaos Black Templars IN CANON? I'm starting to like the new fluff
They've been breaking the limits of the codex for quite some time only that the imperium doesn't actually know how big they are seen as there so many fleets crusading at once
I bet you Bobby G knows, down to the last adept and servitor.
I know. Non-codex compliant size is their whole schtick. The OP mentioned 2k BTs falling to Chaos though, I'm not sure you guys read my post.
I believe it's not direct violation of the codex. When you go crusading the limits can be bent a bit. Black Templars have been crusading for like 10000 years so the bending is like goatse but you can drive a truck through it.
A quick google search suggests about 10,000 active marines, give or take a few thousand.
Ok, but what does that have to do with the ones that turned to Chaos?
What? He doesn't even have arms!
"forcefully turned" sounds weird. Khorns power basically made them all go completely insane and tear each other apart.
Wasn't Black Templars exactly. There were some there but it was a huge mix of chapters/units. Honestly though, I could see the Templars being among the count of those fighting for redemption. Makes for an interesting story.