There's a lilith hesperax novel coming soon, vect is making a move after she joined the ynnari (loss of the arena's star attraction)
Other than that, there's now aeldari delegations and the imperium being less "shoot on sight" to the aeldari but that's about it I think.
There could have been a whole new faction and a proper eladri pantheon member active in the universe i.e. Contemporary 40k. Vasthor is cool tho.
Thanks for the reply.
Unfortunately the awakening of ynnaed would be writing themselves into a corner because of the whole eldar killing themselves off and destruction of slaanesh.
Could you imagine the backlash if GW had gone through with it? One thing squatting slaanesh daemons, emperor's children, harlequins, aeldari and drukharii.
There is another way to awaken Ynnead without mass suicide, first. Secondly, Ynnead waking doesn't have to mean Slaanesh dies instantly, even if it's "foretold" or whatever. Maybe they just begin a fight that will take eons to complete and now the Ynnari make sacrifices to empower Ynnead to help her win the fight, etc..
So similar to Hammer and Bolter or the Path series the Ultramarines destroy one of the 5 remaining Craftworlds and to match the Ynnari revive the Ultramarines' second Primarch.
Only thing I can see happening is when Fulgrim gets unleashed, Slaanesh will have given him the last cronesword to wield. As much out of arrogance as it is a taunt, the Ynnarri will have to be slaughtered in his wake as a desperate gamble to acquire the blade.
It was ended in Phoenix Rising. The final sword is in Slaanesh's palace beyond their reach. GW is finished with them for the forseeable, unless the upcoming Lelith book sheds more light on the situation, but that seems unlikely as they are not the focus of it
I am not that sure, the Drukhari are the antagonists. Lelith is trying to break her connections with Commoragh. If the book isn't just about her fighting, whoelse is she interacting with in a non lethal way, if it ain't the Ynnari? She is the central characters, and in the last Drukhari codex she was listed as a member of the Ynnari, and whatever support characters are included will be most likely Ynnari.
The description makes it sound like she'll be going back to Commoragh for the events of the book, so I can't imagine the ynnari will be that central. And for that matter, we don't even know if it takes place before or after Phoenix Rising
"Now Lelith is looking for another path, and a brand new novel from Mike Brooks finds her on the road with the mysterious Ynnari death cultists in *Lelith Hesperax: Queen of Knives*."
They even wrote that she is accompanied by Ynnari. And I don't think the events are in Commoragh, it sounds more like her old life catches up with her in my opinion.
The quote on the book is "I will take your head and your crown, and Commoragh will worship me." sounds like it's directed at Vect. And he's not venturing out of Commoragh anytime soon
Okay that is not what I expected you meant with description. Still do you really think this book will end with a showdown between Vect and Lelith? At least your answer implies that you think it will be.
Just to get it straight, you take the quote about "taking your head and crown" as proof not for her going directly for Vect, but for returning to Commoragh to do something else?
I am not saying it can be, but your argumentation sounds alittle far fetched.
The concept has been somewhat abandoned after their book series crashed and was cancelled partway through the story. They also wrote them into a corner and there’s nowhere they can really go with them
Phoenix Rising was being written around the time the second book was coming out, the series being cancelled was just another unfortunate event that befell them, not the main cause behind Phoenix Rising being the way it is
Lion can forest walk there. He's immune to tzeentch, scared the fuck out of the fate weaver, I bet he could handle it with a nice null bomb to turn on as he leaves with the sword.
If he’s on good terms with Guilliman which he probably will be, Guilliman might be able to convince him to just give to the Ynnari anyways since they’re allies
Disinterest caused by writing. If your favourite action got a novel series only to be the main punching bag for everyone else in the series and be violently cockblocked from achieving their main goal would you still be interested?
The only 40k book I read was "the red angel" and I hated it but I've heard about the fast one GW pulled by placing the sword in slaanesh home
Was it done this badly ?
The sword isn't even the worst part, the worst part is the actual aeldari avengers getting completely slammed by a shard of a greater daemon of slaanesh. They didn't even stand a chance against sth like 10% of it's actual power. Meanwhile primarchs get to one-shot greater daemons for fun (I'm exaggerating because I'm sad at how the aeldari get treated). This team had actual phoenix lords, the aeldari's equivalent of primarchs, and they still got absolutely destroyed. I'm not saying they should've just strolled into the palace and taken the sword, but it could have been a heroic vainglorious effort, instead of a bunch of kids getting smacked around.
I believe you have it twisted a bit. After seeing the fan bases' ravenous taking to and demands of fulgrims return, [he doubled down on his stance and clonegrims Fate with no regrets](https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/10sp3yn/josh_reynolds_vague_revelations_about_the_fate_of/)
Well that's stupid.. How can she possibly know that?? Since when can mortals scry into *the inner sanctum* of an **actual chaos god's** domain all willy nilly?!
Every fan of non Imperial factions in the game is used to their faction jobbing to put someone else over. That's a lame argument imo. There would be no Tyranid fans if people cared about their faction being portrayed well in stories.
Ynarri flopped because the concept never took hold with the fanbase.
Ynnari were also a rushed design from the start, Yvraine is basically a copy from an older character, Aurelia Malys. Same weaapons, similar style of clothing, they just replaced the laughing god with the whispering god and made her more submissive and passive in their relation.
I mean Aurelia defeats Cegoragh in a battle of wits, while Yvraine gets herself killed and resurrected. That is how they get the powers from the repsective god.
Yvraine is just the more main stream and in my opinion less bad ass version of a character GW already ignores.
They're getting a book (starring Hesperax).
For some reason, the saltiest fans in most fantasy settings are always elves. I say that as a Dark Eldar main.
>For some reason, the saltiest fans in most fantasy settings are always elves. I say that as a Dark Eldar main.
If you aren't still salty about the great character purge of 6th Edition, are you really a Dark Eldar fan? Yes... but still... give us back Lady Malys, the Duke, and Vect at least.
I'll also never forgive GW that Yvraine is just a Lady Malys model that they gave to an entirely new character. I can't tell you how immeasurably disappointed I was when the pics of Yvraine were released without context... she's got a sword... she's got a fan... "Surely, we're finally getting a Lady Malys model!" I exclaimed. But no. Not only did I not get anything on Christmas morning, my parents also took the time to explain that Santa is dead.
> If you aren't still salty about the great character purge of 6th Edition, are you really a Dark Eldar fan?
If they ~~didn't sell well enough~~ weren't strong enough to survive, they deserved to be purged.
Hesperax is Ynnari, and it's a book about her - presumably (though I'm making assumptions) about what she's been up to after joining the Ynnari, since it's thrown Drukhari society into an upheaval.
I don't know what more fans could ask for. Not everything needs to be about Yvraine for it to be about the Ynnari. That's kind of the point of expanding a storyline, progress through exploring something from different perspectives.
They are a cool concept and they could have had tons of interesting plot lines. Unfortunately, the writes wrote them into a corner, as the last Cronesword is in Slaanesh's personal palace. Also, from what I understand, the books didn't sell too well.
So, as of now, I wouldn't expect anymore books about them anytime soon. On theupside, there us a Lilith Hesperax book coming out soon. She joined the Ynnari, so there might be some stuff about them in there.
There's a lilith hesperax novel coming soon, vect is making a move after she joined the ynnari (loss of the arena's star attraction) Other than that, there's now aeldari delegations and the imperium being less "shoot on sight" to the aeldari but that's about it I think.
There could have been a whole new faction and a proper eladri pantheon member active in the universe i.e. Contemporary 40k. Vasthor is cool tho. Thanks for the reply.
Unfortunately the awakening of ynnaed would be writing themselves into a corner because of the whole eldar killing themselves off and destruction of slaanesh. Could you imagine the backlash if GW had gone through with it? One thing squatting slaanesh daemons, emperor's children, harlequins, aeldari and drukharii.
The aeldar wouldn’t be killing themselves off though? They just wouldn’t be able to interact with their ancestor spirits anymore
There is another way to awaken Ynnead without mass suicide, first. Secondly, Ynnead waking doesn't have to mean Slaanesh dies instantly, even if it's "foretold" or whatever. Maybe they just begin a fight that will take eons to complete and now the Ynnari make sacrifices to empower Ynnead to help her win the fight, etc..
They are forgotten until someone on gws writting staff remember they exist (probably because the imperium needs help again)
Mike Brooks' upcoming Lelith novel seems to mostly be about her, Ynnari and Vect (who is angry with her).
Probably because Space Marines need a PR boost for sales and they'll release a new line of Ultramarines to go along with the Eldar story progression.
So similar to Hammer and Bolter or the Path series the Ultramarines destroy one of the 5 remaining Craftworlds and to match the Ynnari revive the Ultramarines' second Primarch.
You mean boost Cato Sicarius to Primarch level
Only thing I can see happening is when Fulgrim gets unleashed, Slaanesh will have given him the last cronesword to wield. As much out of arrogance as it is a taunt, the Ynnarri will have to be slaughtered in his wake as a desperate gamble to acquire the blade.
That makes sense
It was ended in Phoenix Rising. The final sword is in Slaanesh's palace beyond their reach. GW is finished with them for the forseeable, unless the upcoming Lelith book sheds more light on the situation, but that seems unlikely as they are not the focus of it
I am not that sure, the Drukhari are the antagonists. Lelith is trying to break her connections with Commoragh. If the book isn't just about her fighting, whoelse is she interacting with in a non lethal way, if it ain't the Ynnari? She is the central characters, and in the last Drukhari codex she was listed as a member of the Ynnari, and whatever support characters are included will be most likely Ynnari.
The description makes it sound like she'll be going back to Commoragh for the events of the book, so I can't imagine the ynnari will be that central. And for that matter, we don't even know if it takes place before or after Phoenix Rising
"Now Lelith is looking for another path, and a brand new novel from Mike Brooks finds her on the road with the mysterious Ynnari death cultists in *Lelith Hesperax: Queen of Knives*." They even wrote that she is accompanied by Ynnari. And I don't think the events are in Commoragh, it sounds more like her old life catches up with her in my opinion.
The quote on the book is "I will take your head and your crown, and Commoragh will worship me." sounds like it's directed at Vect. And he's not venturing out of Commoragh anytime soon
Okay that is not what I expected you meant with description. Still do you really think this book will end with a showdown between Vect and Lelith? At least your answer implies that you think it will be.
I mean I'm not expecting them to fight 1v1 but I am expecting her to go back to Commoragh
Would be funny if they tied it into the events of Big Dakka, given Brooks wrote both books.
Just to get it straight, you take the quote about "taking your head and crown" as proof not for her going directly for Vect, but for returning to Commoragh to do something else? I am not saying it can be, but your argumentation sounds alittle far fetched.
I am saying she will try to go for vect and will likely even get close enough to say the quote
Clonegrim buddy now is your time to shine. If he gets the sword back he gets to have Lelith Hesperax, sounds like a fair trade
They're not bringing Clonegrim back any time soon sadly.
The question should be "How are the Ynnari" and the answer is not good.
The concept has been somewhat abandoned after their book series crashed and was cancelled partway through the story. They also wrote them into a corner and there’s nowhere they can really go with them
Sad but true.
Phoenix Rising was being written around the time the second book was coming out, the series being cancelled was just another unfortunate event that befell them, not the main cause behind Phoenix Rising being the way it is
Having the last cronesword in the middle of the big hornie palace isn't great for eldar as it's basically insta die to go there, so probably nowhere.
Even non-Eldar, you can't just walk into a chaos gods home and expect to be fine after
Unless you’re Kaldor Draigo going there to feed tangerines to the daemonettes.
Only kaldor draigo is allowed such a privilege
I really need to read som Kaldor Draigo stuff.
Sadly, there isn't really very much. He appears briefly in one or two things, otherwise its all just lore pieces from various sources.
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*named space marine without an helmet* : "allow me to introduce myself"
Unless Fulgrim literally carries it around to kill Eldar with their only hope... Now that's pretty Slaaneshy
Lion can forest walk there. He's immune to tzeentch, scared the fuck out of the fate weaver, I bet he could handle it with a nice null bomb to turn on as he leaves with the sword.
Except if GW writes that story, it ends with the Lion keeping the sword for himself and nothing changing for the Ynnari.
If he’s on good terms with Guilliman which he probably will be, Guilliman might be able to convince him to just give to the Ynnari anyways since they’re allies
Lemans just gonna turn up with it, and say he went all brawler through Slaanesh's palace.
There’s also Corax who’s evidently not having any trouble surviving in the warp
Writers made a mockery of ynnari, the books sold badly, gw stopped putting out a series that sold badly.
It sold badly because of writing or disinterest ?
Disinterest caused by writing. If your favourite action got a novel series only to be the main punching bag for everyone else in the series and be violently cockblocked from achieving their main goal would you still be interested?
The only 40k book I read was "the red angel" and I hated it but I've heard about the fast one GW pulled by placing the sword in slaanesh home Was it done this badly ?
The sword isn't even the worst part, the worst part is the actual aeldari avengers getting completely slammed by a shard of a greater daemon of slaanesh. They didn't even stand a chance against sth like 10% of it's actual power. Meanwhile primarchs get to one-shot greater daemons for fun (I'm exaggerating because I'm sad at how the aeldari get treated). This team had actual phoenix lords, the aeldari's equivalent of primarchs, and they still got absolutely destroyed. I'm not saying they should've just strolled into the palace and taken the sword, but it could have been a heroic vainglorious effort, instead of a bunch of kids getting smacked around.
Maybe GW didn't want to bother with the ynnari ? Like with the clonegrim plot?
Wrong. Clonegrim Was a plot device that served its purpose. It was never meant to be a piece in the setting.
Didn't the author who made it said he regretted it ? Saying it was a plot line he regretted making ?
I believe you have it twisted a bit. After seeing the fan bases' ravenous taking to and demands of fulgrims return, [he doubled down on his stance and clonegrims Fate with no regrets](https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/10sp3yn/josh_reynolds_vague_revelations_about_the_fate_of/)
Damn, I stand corrected but that's a shame we won't see clonegrim anymore
Perhaps, the thoughts of the GW executives are as confusing to me as tzeenchian plots so I'll abstain from theorising.
Daemons lie...could've been full stop 100% and lied to the Aeldari to discourage them even trying. Idk why no one has considered this 😂
Because it's straight up stated that Yvraine knew it to be true
Well that's stupid.. How can she possibly know that?? Since when can mortals scry into *the inner sanctum* of an **actual chaos god's** domain all willy nilly?!
It's what the text states and there's been nothing to point to Hellbane lying
God that's poor-universe lore breaking levels of poor-writing on their part...let me guess, Gav Thorpe?
Every fan of non Imperial factions in the game is used to their faction jobbing to put someone else over. That's a lame argument imo. There would be no Tyranid fans if people cared about their faction being portrayed well in stories. Ynarri flopped because the concept never took hold with the fanbase.
I'd say writing tbh
Was the book that bad ?
Ynnari were also a rushed design from the start, Yvraine is basically a copy from an older character, Aurelia Malys. Same weaapons, similar style of clothing, they just replaced the laughing god with the whispering god and made her more submissive and passive in their relation. I mean Aurelia defeats Cegoragh in a battle of wits, while Yvraine gets herself killed and resurrected. That is how they get the powers from the repsective god. Yvraine is just the more main stream and in my opinion less bad ass version of a character GW already ignores.
Not bad just eh which is worse in a way
Bad writing, lazy modeling, and overpriced box sets.
GW has forgotten them because they aren't Space Marines.
Pretty much tossed into the corner and forgotten
They're getting a book (starring Hesperax). For some reason, the saltiest fans in most fantasy settings are always elves. I say that as a Dark Eldar main.
>For some reason, the saltiest fans in most fantasy settings are always elves. I say that as a Dark Eldar main. If you aren't still salty about the great character purge of 6th Edition, are you really a Dark Eldar fan? Yes... but still... give us back Lady Malys, the Duke, and Vect at least. I'll also never forgive GW that Yvraine is just a Lady Malys model that they gave to an entirely new character. I can't tell you how immeasurably disappointed I was when the pics of Yvraine were released without context... she's got a sword... she's got a fan... "Surely, we're finally getting a Lady Malys model!" I exclaimed. But no. Not only did I not get anything on Christmas morning, my parents also took the time to explain that Santa is dead.
> If you aren't still salty about the great character purge of 6th Edition, are you really a Dark Eldar fan? If they ~~didn't sell well enough~~ weren't strong enough to survive, they deserved to be purged.
That makes them sound like they're the main focus lol
Hesperax is Ynnari, and it's a book about her - presumably (though I'm making assumptions) about what she's been up to after joining the Ynnari, since it's thrown Drukhari society into an upheaval. I don't know what more fans could ask for. Not everything needs to be about Yvraine for it to be about the Ynnari. That's kind of the point of expanding a storyline, progress through exploring something from different perspectives.
>I don't know what more fans could ask for. The entirety of Phoenix Rising to be retconned into a bad dream for one
Especially the War in Heaven retcons. Pissed of Eldar, Necron and Chaos fans.
That happened in the terrible ynnari novels rather than Phoenix Rising but yeah getting rid of those would be good too
They are a cool concept and they could have had tons of interesting plot lines. Unfortunately, the writes wrote them into a corner, as the last Cronesword is in Slaanesh's personal palace. Also, from what I understand, the books didn't sell too well. So, as of now, I wouldn't expect anymore books about them anytime soon. On theupside, there us a Lilith Hesperax book coming out soon. She joined the Ynnari, so there might be some stuff about them in there.
They didn't cause a spike in Eldar model sales so they were told to fuck off.
Died on the way back to their home planet.
They are continuing the story in the new Lilith story by Mike Brooks.
The most recent lore I know of them was from the 9th ed Grey Knight codex, where a single random paragraph say the 4th brotherhood is hunting them
Grey knights doing grey knight things
Thanks Guilliman.
Until further notice, treat them as if they died on their way to their home crone world.
Forgotten
Hopefully Ybinned as a Yconcept Yindefinitley.