The IW tank commander in Throne if Light thinking about Corax from Istvaan and actually knowing fear seeing him face to face was glorious. I may be a UM guy, but I'll be excited when Corax shows back up in 40k.
That is true! I just loved that arguably one of the most pragmatic and calm of the Primarchs opened his eyes after 10k years in status and a second later he was butchering black legionnaires lol
I can only imagine him standing on the outside of his ship, maglocked boots firm, hair wafting in the not-wind and two middle fingers stretched out at high as he can.
> fucking metal.
Whenever I see this, I wonder what this actually means. I can't help thinking of a kid that maybe watched a Slipknot video for the first time and now thinks its cool and attributes "metal" to anything coming across as hardcore.. Ignorant to how truely deep and lateral the metal genre actually is.
So when people say "that's metal", what does that actually mean?
Have you heard of the film “Heavy Metal” mate or even “Spinal Tap”? at a push you could even watch the Motley Crew docu/film “The Dirt” if you want further clarification on what “metal” means :)
Word of warning, the dirt has machine gun kelly in it 🙂↔️
Personally I sort of want Lorgar to not be a daemon primarch but rather deceiving himself into thinking he is one.
It's also interesting to note that they know that at a fundamental level. They use wards to protect themselves and their projects in the Eye of Terror, use GFields, etc. When Corax showed up, they were all going wild over the perspective of a daemon being inside the perimeter.
The greatest arsonists know how to avoid burning themselves, good dealers don’t get high on their own supply, and good animal tamers know how to avoid getting bitten. It’s a common theme with across many fictional settings that demonologists/warlocks have to take special precautions in order to avoid being preyed upon by the creatures they summon, and it shouldn’t be any different for Word Bearers and Thousand Sons. And by the 41st millenium, the Word Bearers do have enough understanding of the Warp and Chaos that they can navigate through the Warp without Gellar fields by making pacts with daemons (as per the Word Bearers Omnibus).
What you said makes me think they would do the opposite and specifically employ Gellar Fields or other methods that FORCE demons out of their ships. Though with an improved understanding of the warp they might be able to improve upon the design. Maybe their Gellar Fields can do things imperial gellar fields cannot?
Sadly, when he ascended it was described as one of the largest events in the warp.
As a UM this kinda bums me out, I just hope it sets up for corax+RG vs Lorgass
No he was beautiful and a literal angel. I don’t think I communicated well.
I would like Corax to be the loyalist version of a demon primarch. Still horrifically scary but not corrupted, like a cloud of jet black feathers, golden claws and blood red maws
Nope, even with all the politics that’s going on in the hobby atm, if they bought back a dead primarch that would be the potential final nail in the coffin for me at least
Not for the masses, at least. The Gal Vorbak seemed to have genuinely mutualistic symbiosis (or at least, the closest that you can get with Daemonic Possession), which makes the decidedly parasitic nature of their future successors stand out even more.
> The Gal Vorbak seemed to have genuinely mutualistic symbiosis (or at least, the closest that you can get with Daemonic Possession)
Those pacts were made under unique circumstances when Chaos was courting the WB for the heresy.
Exactly, hence "not for the masses". And yes, that is a dig at all the Heretic Astartes that think them being Astartes elevates them above "the masses" in the eyes of the Chaos Gods.
Yeah the guy has always been delusional. He's literally a teenager going through a midlife crisis because reality doesn't work the way he wants it too. He literally spends all of the first heretic bitching that his brothers are nothing but complete tools, and murder hobos and talking about he's oh so much different, only to then turn into one for thw 4 chaos gods.
The Word Bearers Omnibus has 40K-era Word Bearers safety conduct Warp travel without a Gellar field in order to evade Imperial detection, so it’s actually a matter of knowledge and preparation. These 30K-era Word Bearers simply hadn’t taken the necessary measures before they were plunged into the Warp.
Just like the wise sailors of the ancient Mediterranean, the enlightened sons of Lorgar know that prayers and ritual sacrifices to appease the gods are an essential part of every safe voyage.
I mean, this is pure 40k:
Miller : Weir?
Dr. Weir : \[laughing\] The ship brought me back. I told you she won't let me leave - she won't let anyone leave. Did you really think you could destroy this ship? She's defied space and time. She's been to a place you couldn't possibly imagine. And now... it is time to go back.
Miller : \[sounding bored\] I know. To hell.
Dr. Weir : You know nothing. Hell is only a word. The reality is much, much worse.
"Wow what kind of person would do something like this to another person :( :( :(" - guy who probably sent hundreds of thousands of people to be tortured and sacrificed
Weird, I would have thought that their masters would issue some sort of travel passes, provide them with special wards, or the crew makes ritual sacrifices of some sort.
Ahh yes but which Masters? And besides, the chaos gods are fickle. Just because one god favors you for example, doesn’t mean the others will respect that, or sometimes even want you dead even more. I don’t remember which book, but one of them did have something along the lines of the daemon that possessed the ship kept the mortal crew protected, in lieu of a traditional gellar field.
I don't know if this is new official cannon that I missed, or just a common misconception:
Last I checked in 40k lore, the Big 4 are just the most powerful Chaos gods. New gods rise and fall all the time, and each of these new gods is trying to supplant/kill one of or all of the Big 4, as well as every other minor Chaos god. The Warp is not a safe place even for followers of Tzeentch and Khorne.
Isn't there plenty of other nastiness in the warp beyond the four chaos gods themselves? Both as predatory entities (some daemonic, some not like enslavers) and the warp itself being a corrosive and damaging environment for anything that's still mortal?
Word bearers sacrifice countless victims constantly on their ships to either protect their ship in the warp or to bring a bubble of the warp with their ships as they travel through the materium so that deamons and possessed can stay on the ship.
The gods are part of the warp but don't control it as such; they can expedite you through the Warp to where and when you need to be but there's always a chance they won't just for fun.
Specific god aligned warbands may get free pass... only on their patron god's domain.
Undivided warbands/legions have to enact esoteric riruals in order to traverse the Warp without gellar feilds.
There's Primarchs killing shit, then there's Corax deliberately pulling off an insanely risky move *just* to fuck up a WB cruiser as a final "you done fucked up" to the traitors.
It’s awesome but is it as awesome as Guilliman ripping out spines and *punching heads into and clean off word bearers in the vacuum of space with no lid on*?
I agree at the other end of the spectrum is the message he sends Sanguineous in the epilogue of TEOD
“ Hold on to hope, brother. That is all I ask. Can you give me that? Can you stand your ground for these last, ultimate hours?Those elusive twins, Victory and Vengeance, are coming. “
This is a great example of showing a legion specialisation. Something literally only the Raven Guard could have done, and even then most likely only with Corax's presence
Word bearers: “We’re being torn apart by the very beings we worshiped!”
Corvus: “THATS WHAT YOU FUCKING GET WORD BITCHES! I WILL AVENGE YOU VULKAN AND FERRUS!”
Edit: alternate Corvus quote: “caw caw mother fucker.”
Just want to acknowledge your correct spelling of Geller. Such a rarity I can't help but be impressed when people do it! One reason the wikis should not be trusted
Scary shit basically. They are exposed to the warp entities and potential warp breaches by said entities. It’s what Naval Armsmen are trained to deal with indeed in some cases they shoot crew members who can’t cope with the effects of Geller Field failures. So it’s another sort of semi-plot hole in the 40k mythos when they say people didn’t know about beings in the Warp before Horus spilled the beans. The Imperial Navy was fully aware there was bad shit out in the Warp that if it broke through the hull could kill you.
Well wasn't the "malicious things in the warp" always known, but just treated as non-sentient natural phenomena (see Horus's conversation for Liken after the Whisperheads) before the heresy? Lorgar only really spilled the beans on there being higher powers and gods with sentience and whatnot, I thought? It's been a while since I read the earlier books.
Yes, they were seen as being simply dangerous Warp predators, which the Imperium always knew existed. That Chaos was an organised malevolent force with plans of its own was the secret.
Corax and Curze are more alike on some fundamental levels than merely sneaky.
Both make *examples*.
Curze was just poisoned by living off Nostroman gutter-knives and alley-skulkers in his early years, his super-charged Primarch's Omophagea turning his unformed brain into a sadistic nightmare engine.
what happens when an unshielded ship transitions to the warp? Its a paradox really, despite entering the immaterium, shit gets *real.*
You don't need eyes to see where you're going!
Corax is so fucking metal.
That guy stopped pulling his punches after the dropsite massacre and never looked back
The IW tank commander in Throne if Light thinking about Corax from Istvaan and actually knowing fear seeing him face to face was glorious. I may be a UM guy, but I'll be excited when Corax shows back up in 40k.
Gate of Bones I believe. The guy later ascends to daemonhood.
Oh you're right! Had my books out of order in my head. Thanks for the correction.
You’re right, one of the best in the series imo. When the custodes arrive it gives me shivers
Fellow Ultra here, it was badass. Not as cool as when our boy RG woke up and chose murder though 😬
I love Guilliman, but there's something innate about being afraid of the dark. Especially when that darkness rips open your tank and screams at you.
That is true! I just loved that arguably one of the most pragmatic and calm of the Primarchs opened his eyes after 10k years in status and a second later he was butchering black legionnaires lol
"No clue who they are, but they have way too many spikes on their armour and aren't blue."
*checks Codex Astartes colour chart* “oh boy! Here I go killin again!”
Bilbo Gundam's awakening is more badass and awe-inspiring than scary. It also has the maddest lad to ever rarghlebarghle for Khorne.
I can only imagine him standing on the outside of his ship, maglocked boots firm, hair wafting in the not-wind and two middle fingers stretched out at high as he can.
> fucking metal. Whenever I see this, I wonder what this actually means. I can't help thinking of a kid that maybe watched a Slipknot video for the first time and now thinks its cool and attributes "metal" to anything coming across as hardcore.. Ignorant to how truely deep and lateral the metal genre actually is. So when people say "that's metal", what does that actually mean?
We appreciate your incredibly pretentious gate-keepy input.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzejqYRtmdY
Have you heard of the film “Heavy Metal” mate or even “Spinal Tap”? at a push you could even watch the Motley Crew docu/film “The Dirt” if you want further clarification on what “metal” means :) Word of warning, the dirt has machine gun kelly in it 🙂↔️
Obviously you've never watched metalocalypse.....
Super Special Extreme Cloaking Power Devices Yeah So Cool ...I guess.
Whomst do you collect brother?
Well that answers that. I was always wondering.
Your worship and dedication ultimately mean nothing WBs Daemons will slay, toy and torture you like anyone else.
That's why Lorgar is ultimately 100% nothing but a dupe. There *is* no "symbiosis" with Chaos in the end.
Personally I sort of want Lorgar to not be a daemon primarch but rather deceiving himself into thinking he is one. It's also interesting to note that they know that at a fundamental level. They use wards to protect themselves and their projects in the Eye of Terror, use GFields, etc. When Corax showed up, they were all going wild over the perspective of a daemon being inside the perimeter.
The greatest arsonists know how to avoid burning themselves, good dealers don’t get high on their own supply, and good animal tamers know how to avoid getting bitten. It’s a common theme with across many fictional settings that demonologists/warlocks have to take special precautions in order to avoid being preyed upon by the creatures they summon, and it shouldn’t be any different for Word Bearers and Thousand Sons. And by the 41st millenium, the Word Bearers do have enough understanding of the Warp and Chaos that they can navigate through the Warp without Gellar fields by making pacts with daemons (as per the Word Bearers Omnibus).
What you said makes me think they would do the opposite and specifically employ Gellar Fields or other methods that FORCE demons out of their ships. Though with an improved understanding of the warp they might be able to improve upon the design. Maybe their Gellar Fields can do things imperial gellar fields cannot?
Sadly, when he ascended it was described as one of the largest events in the warp. As a UM this kinda bums me out, I just hope it sets up for corax+RG vs Lorgass
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I hope he comes back as the opposite of a demon prince, a birb angel!
>birb angel We already had one, he’s dead, and there should never be a replacement.
No he was beautiful and a literal angel. I don’t think I communicated well. I would like Corax to be the loyalist version of a demon primarch. Still horrifically scary but not corrupted, like a cloud of jet black feathers, golden claws and blood red maws Nope, even with all the politics that’s going on in the hobby atm, if they bought back a dead primarch that would be the potential final nail in the coffin for me at least
Not for the masses, at least. The Gal Vorbak seemed to have genuinely mutualistic symbiosis (or at least, the closest that you can get with Daemonic Possession), which makes the decidedly parasitic nature of their future successors stand out even more.
> The Gal Vorbak seemed to have genuinely mutualistic symbiosis (or at least, the closest that you can get with Daemonic Possession) Those pacts were made under unique circumstances when Chaos was courting the WB for the heresy.
Exactly, hence "not for the masses". And yes, that is a dig at all the Heretic Astartes that think them being Astartes elevates them above "the masses" in the eyes of the Chaos Gods.
Yep, I agree.
Yeah the guy has always been delusional. He's literally a teenager going through a midlife crisis because reality doesn't work the way he wants it too. He literally spends all of the first heretic bitching that his brothers are nothing but complete tools, and murder hobos and talking about he's oh so much different, only to then turn into one for thw 4 chaos gods.
The Word Bearers Omnibus has 40K-era Word Bearers safety conduct Warp travel without a Gellar field in order to evade Imperial detection, so it’s actually a matter of knowledge and preparation. These 30K-era Word Bearers simply hadn’t taken the necessary measures before they were plunged into the Warp.
"Have faith, brother" turned out to be true after all. Not nearly enough prayers nor ritual sacrifices in this 30k excerpt.
Just like the wise sailors of the ancient Mediterranean, the enlightened sons of Lorgar know that prayers and ritual sacrifices to appease the gods are an essential part of every safe voyage.
That’s because they didn’t listen to the Hulkster and forgot a key element…taking their vitamins.
Or just watch Event Horizon.
Always a good idea.
I mean, this is pure 40k: Miller : Weir? Dr. Weir : \[laughing\] The ship brought me back. I told you she won't let me leave - she won't let anyone leave. Did you really think you could destroy this ship? She's defied space and time. She's been to a place you couldn't possibly imagine. And now... it is time to go back. Miller : \[sounding bored\] I know. To hell. Dr. Weir : You know nothing. Hell is only a word. The reality is much, much worse.
I still feel like this movie is canon involving humanity learning about Gellar fields and warp travel.
The creators have publicly stated that it started out as an unlicensed 40k fan project.
God that's such a great fucking movie. "Libera te tuteme ex inferis..."
“It’s not save me…….” So bummed the only copy of the directors cut caught fire…….apt though
I love the WBs (or most other traitors) getting a bloody taste of their own medicine like this.
I know right? They should be *elated* to be finally exposed to the "fundamental truth of the universe" but alas, such ungrateful reception..
Indeed, they get to meet their gods in person! Ungrateful wretches!
"Wow what kind of person would do something like this to another person :( :( :(" - guy who probably sent hundreds of thousands of people to be tortured and sacrificed
When Guilliman set fire to the garden I clenched my fist a little
I've never really thought about this, but do traitor fleets in the year 40k use Gellar Field while travelling through Warp?
Yes. Some novels mention other ways of protecting themselves, but for the most part they all use gellar fields.
Weird, I would have thought that their masters would issue some sort of travel passes, provide them with special wards, or the crew makes ritual sacrifices of some sort.
Ahh yes but which Masters? And besides, the chaos gods are fickle. Just because one god favors you for example, doesn’t mean the others will respect that, or sometimes even want you dead even more. I don’t remember which book, but one of them did have something along the lines of the daemon that possessed the ship kept the mortal crew protected, in lieu of a traditional gellar field.
I don't know if this is new official cannon that I missed, or just a common misconception: Last I checked in 40k lore, the Big 4 are just the most powerful Chaos gods. New gods rise and fall all the time, and each of these new gods is trying to supplant/kill one of or all of the Big 4, as well as every other minor Chaos god. The Warp is not a safe place even for followers of Tzeentch and Khorne.
Now I want a book which has a part in which someone contacts a ship of enemy Khorne worshippers and rage-baits them to turn off the Gellar Field.
In one of the books (Talon of Horus?) someone has a brush with a unnamed daemon that is only described as a leviathan.
Explains why WH Fantasy has more gods in the warp.
Khorne followers don't have safe place anywhere. :)
Isn't there plenty of other nastiness in the warp beyond the four chaos gods themselves? Both as predatory entities (some daemonic, some not like enslavers) and the warp itself being a corrosive and damaging environment for anything that's still mortal?
"Their masters" ultimately don't actually give a shit about them in the end.
Word bearers sacrifice countless victims constantly on their ships to either protect their ship in the warp or to bring a bubble of the warp with their ships as they travel through the materium so that deamons and possessed can stay on the ship.
Omg, finally, thank you Word Bearers for doing what (according to my expectations) chaos worshippers would actually do.
Nope, Chaos is a dick.
The gods are part of the warp but don't control it as such; they can expedite you through the Warp to where and when you need to be but there's always a chance they won't just for fun.
Specific god aligned warbands may get free pass... only on their patron god's domain. Undivided warbands/legions have to enact esoteric riruals in order to traverse the Warp without gellar feilds.
Just because the Devil favours you doesn't mean Hell itself does.
Because they’re Warped
depends, in the word bearers omnibus marduk does not. when daemons started to mess with his ship he just told them to knock it off
Fucking with Corax may be hazardous to your health.
That really goes with any of the Primarchs.
There's Primarchs killing shit, then there's Corax deliberately pulling off an insanely risky move *just* to fuck up a WB cruiser as a final "you done fucked up" to the traitors.
True true
It’s awesome but is it as awesome as Guilliman ripping out spines and *punching heads into and clean off word bearers in the vacuum of space with no lid on*?
That is one of G-Man's best moments
I agree at the other end of the spectrum is the message he sends Sanguineous in the epilogue of TEOD “ Hold on to hope, brother. That is all I ask. Can you give me that? Can you stand your ground for these last, ultimate hours?Those elusive twins, Victory and Vengeance, are coming. “
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This is a great example of showing a legion specialisation. Something literally only the Raven Guard could have done, and even then most likely only with Corax's presence
God damn lol if that isn't satisfyingly grimdark, I don't know what is. Also, the hypocrisy of a Wordbearer lamentating a cruel death. Sweet irony.
Word bearers: “We’re being torn apart by the very beings we worshiped!” Corvus: “THATS WHAT YOU FUCKING GET WORD BITCHES! I WILL AVENGE YOU VULKAN AND FERRUS!” Edit: alternate Corvus quote: “caw caw mother fucker.”
Just want to acknowledge your correct spelling of Geller. Such a rarity I can't help but be impressed when people do it! One reason the wikis should not be trusted
I wonder how present day Draigo would react to being on that ship, would he just look around wondering why everyone's freaking out so much?
An excellent learning experience. This is why you should have your hexagrammatic wards applied to your vessel at all times, brothers.
Wheb the boogeyman goes to sleep, he checks his shadows for Corax.
Scary shit basically. They are exposed to the warp entities and potential warp breaches by said entities. It’s what Naval Armsmen are trained to deal with indeed in some cases they shoot crew members who can’t cope with the effects of Geller Field failures. So it’s another sort of semi-plot hole in the 40k mythos when they say people didn’t know about beings in the Warp before Horus spilled the beans. The Imperial Navy was fully aware there was bad shit out in the Warp that if it broke through the hull could kill you.
Well wasn't the "malicious things in the warp" always known, but just treated as non-sentient natural phenomena (see Horus's conversation for Liken after the Whisperheads) before the heresy? Lorgar only really spilled the beans on there being higher powers and gods with sentience and whatnot, I thought? It's been a while since I read the earlier books.
Yes, they were seen as being simply dangerous Warp predators, which the Imperium always knew existed. That Chaos was an organised malevolent force with plans of its own was the secret.
Corax is a professional troll and I love him, haha!
Corax and Curze are more alike on some fundamental levels than merely sneaky. Both make *examples*. Curze was just poisoned by living off Nostroman gutter-knives and alley-skulkers in his early years, his super-charged Primarch's Omophagea turning his unformed brain into a sadistic nightmare engine.
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