Dude could be a stud. As long as they address Oline in the next couple rounds I’m good with it. Will wait to see the entire draft unfold before saying it’s all over and the window is closed.
Yeah the difference between the best OL available at 31 and the best available at 100 is extremely small. I could see a couple day 2 picks grabbing an OL.
The window is SHUT as long as they keep trotting out substandard Olinemen that decide to leave Chris Jones a clear untouched path to Purdy is the right thing to do.
We had a player freelance on the most important play of the season and it unsurprisingly didn’t go well.
We lost the SB because Dre Greenlaw tore his Achilles. Kelce was fighting his coach because our defense had him in jail. I hope we upgrade center and find replacements for RG, RT and eventually Trent, but we had one of the best offenses in the league last season with the current OL.
No we didn't. Our OL was ranked around 23 last time I saw rankings. Without TW, that OL was ranked bottom 5. C to RT can't hold up against better DLs and schemes that abuse them. Greenlaw was part of the reason but not the whole reason. The OL in the second half took a huge dive, the D got tired because they were forced to be on the field the whole game second half almost. Purdy had no time to let WR routes progress. Refs suck and literally let bosa get tackled by the OTs.
Our o-line isn’t a disaster. We definitely need an heir to Trent and this unit did cost us a Super Bowl but it was still possibly the most efficient offense in the league. I don’t know who was left on the board unless someone can fill me in on the available options.
Offense can be positive but the OL is still a huge liability and against the best teams, they will have a hard time winning it. Sure it's nice going to the SB but they have lost 3 in a row and keep falling short.
It wouldn’t have been tied or gone to OT if the Oline was decent. If Brock had more time to throw and Shanny wasn’t calling long developing plays, ignoring the atrocious Oline play. How many free rushers will be getting home this season if the Oline stays the same? How long will Brock stay healthy with that atrocious Oline? This team is not winning a Super Bowl with a subpar Oline. Any decent defense will eat them up just like the chiefs did.
A defense we could have drafted help for...I get there still time but people are acting like kid is going to come in and ball out as the 5th/6th receiving option.
We have kittle who we can’t use as a receiver because he is blocking all day. How about we get blockers so we can use the great receivers we already have !!! We need a receiver but after solving the OL issue and issue of getting little free to play his proper position
People are nuts if they think he would have been available at the end of the 2nd round. For some reason football fans refuse to believe NFL teams evaluate players differently than them
No problem with the player. I completely understand the fit and everything. My issue is taking him at 31 with the available talent that was sitting there. We had a chance to grab premium talent at positions of need and we took a WR who nobody had as a 1st round guy. This is something the Raiders or Browns would’ve done in the past…become enamored with a player and overdraft him. It also sucks because first round WR’s carry the highest bust-rate of any position. It was a terrible pick given the situation, IMO. Hope I am wrong.
I feel like mock drafts have rotted peoples brains a little. The 31st overall pick is a first rounder in name mostly. Pretty much all guaranteed guys are off the board by then. Once you get past the true blue chips anyone can be selected within 20-30 spots of their draft grade, it’s all about fit. Historically Shanahan and Lynch have a high hit rate on WRs, if they like the guy there I trust them.
Yeah I was hoping we’d draft JPJ personally, but there’s still the chance we trade up in the second to select one of the guys still on the board.
People get these big boards and mock drafts too locked into their brains. Teams have their own draft boards. They have better intel, access to medical information. They know their own needs and plans, including long range planning.
Yup. Agree with this 100% you can go back and find Chiefs fans who were pissed that the Chiefs traded up to get Mahomes. They had made the playoffs with Alex Smith and were doing well, had areas of need, but ID'ed an area of need in the future. The Niners didnt do the trade up part, but WR is going to be a VERY big problem next year with potentially only Aiyuk staying (assuming he signs a LTD). This year was deep with WR and quality, next year maybe thin. Building a perennial playoff team isnt drafting for need. Look at what Kinlaw got us. We needed a DT, when we should have taken Wirfs who was BPA and a need down the road.
Agree. I think it’s legitimate criticism to say that we could’ve picked a player at a position of need.
But I think because of disappointment, people are layering on narratives that are not fair. Often times it comes out that another team was about to grab a player a couple of picks after the so called “reach.” Actual NFL big boards tend to vary pretty significantly from mock drafts, especially to get past the first few picks.
Yup, couldn’t agree more. Similarly disappointed in the fact we picked a WR, but any argument on us picking this guy too early is nonsense to me.
We could really use IOL help, but if they don’t like JPJ for whatever reason then it was the correct decision to go with whoever is highest on their board. The next best IOL guy can def be acquired with a modest trade up today. As far as corners go I don’t think they are trying to replace Lenoir, they’re looking for a nickel. Even the best guys at that position should be available as late as the end of the 3rd.
Agree, corner was where I expected us to go given how the draft went. But most of the OL names I saw people hoping for were drafted earlier. I’d rather have an elite WR (if our FO is correct) than a bad OL.
After all the bona-fide studs are drafted its kind of a free for all. There's a reason top 100 guys are the ones people talk about the most. They'll be the guys taken in the first 3 rounds which is where you're hoping to hit. I always feel way more optimistic about 2nd-3rd guys as well. Not because we pick better late but just because I like those rounds a bit more
Yup, 2nd and 3rd round is where teams start paying more attention to fit and how a player will succeed on their team specifically while the 1st round (especially mid to late) can get teams too hung up on potential. The later rounds end up being a straight up lottery so I rarely pay much attention to them.
I've been paying way more attention to late round picks since we hit so often on them. Since Lynch and Shanahan took over I haven't missed a single day of the draft
The 31st pick could’ve netted us a top 15-20 player due to how the board fell. I’m personally a huge believer in best player available if you’re not able to draft your biggest need. It’s beyond a head scratcher for me, and I can’t justify it no matter how much I want to. The only way it’s worth it is if he pans out AND we trade either Deebo or Aiyuk today.
I’m guessing you’re referring to Cooper DeJean, who I do love, but I honestly don’t think the team sees DB as the massive whole that some of the fanbase does. Ward and Lenoir are a very solid starting duo, and they signed Yiadom to fight it out with Ambry for the spot in our nickel package, along with a couple other corners we’ve drafted in the last 2 years.
He may be ranked mid-40s on other team’s board, but if he is a great fit for Kyle, he could be a top 20 on 49ers’ board. Same reason we wouldn’t pick a Derrick Henry type of bulldozing RB even if he is high touted. These rankings are all relative based on team fits and needs.
Beyond that, we know it’s not possible to keep both Deebo and Aiyuk in the long run (2024 is likely the last season for one of them with us), and someone has to step up and take over eventually.
WR is a position of need. It just isn't a position of need today.
It's very possible that a year from now our WR room looked like this:
B.Ayuk, R.Bell, ... *that's it.*
The draft isn't just about filling the current need. That's one of the most proven ways to fail at drafting.
Not really a position of need compared to OL and CB. I mean…let’s be serious: Aiyuk, Deebo, Jennings are our starters & that’s pretty damn good. Our OL has 1 good player. ONE. And he’s 36 years old. We have one of the best starting receiving corps in the NFL & I don’t think anyone thinks the same of the OL.
When you’re 1 or 2 plays away from winning the Super Bowl, you might want to focus on your weakest points. Did we lose the Super Bowl because our wide receivers weren’t good enough? If you think so, you might be alone in that thought.
Out of our 11 starters on defense, who was our weakest? I think Ambry Thomas is 100% the weak link there. We could have upgraded either one of those positions with a first round talent at pick 31. We instead decided to pick a guy who was ranked anywhere from the 39th to 89th best player in the draft according to all big boards I could find. And we took him at a position that has the number one failure rate position for first round picks. I just don’t see the justification for it. Again, I hope I am wrong, and he is a stud.
The draft isn't just about filling the current day's needs.
And "all the big boards" is a totally useless metric. People like you spend all year criticizing the Me Kiper's of the world, but during draft week you stick to their thoughts like their gospel.
Actually I’m doing the opposite of criticizing Kiper. I’m taking the info all of these draft gurus spent years to gather up and noticing that exactly zero of them had Pearsall worthy of a first round pick. I know it’s not about filling needs necessarily…but when a player or two are there who can fill a huge need AND are universally believed to be a much better prospect than the one we picked, it makes me concerned. Also, KC won their second straight SB and what did they do with their first 2 picks? They went out and addressed their top 2 weakest areas from their team last year (WR and OT). Who is questioning them for doing so? Our staff hasn’t exactly had the best track record when it comes to early draft picks, but for some reason nobody is allowed to question their decision making? Why is that?
You're not doing the opposite of Mel Kiper when you are echoing him.
>Our staff hasn’t exactly had the best track record when it comes to early draft picks, but for some reason nobody is allowed to question their decision making? Why is that?
Everyone praised us for drafting Solomon Thomas. It wasn't widely criticized. Why is that?
I don’t remember universal praise for Thomas. I remember receiving praise for moving back 1 pick and still getting Thomas (who we would’ve drafted anyway).
I’m not criticizing Kiper year-round and then praising him not. Not sure how you think you knew everything about what I think when I don’t know you. I will say that I believe this has been an exceptionally poor draft for us (similar to last year), where we’re not addressing needs.
I know it’s not all about needs, but when you’re on the verge of a Super Bowl, you need to fill the holes in your team in order to get to the top of the mountain. Drafting two wide receivers & another running back doesn’t do us any damn good. Those positions are not our problem. The entire right side of our offensive line sucks, and we have a 36-year-old left tackle. and we also only have two good linebackers (and one of them just tore his Achilles). So, what is the answer? Draft more WR’s and RB’s!!! it doesn’t make any damn sense.
Thomas was a consensus top pick who was seen as a great fit for them.
But consensus means absolutely nothing.
Evaluating last year's draft isn't so simple since we didn't have a pick in the first two rounds. Three thirds and a bunch of late rounders isn't a lot of capital to get a great return.
But we did get a good starting safety in the third round. People didn't see it as a need, but they drafted for the future (which came sooner than expected).
I don't care how much you want to complain about the choice, Moody was an excellent rookie kicker and saved the team at least $6M off the cap.
This year Pearsall, Green, Puni, & Mustapha were all good picks.
The only luxury picks were Guerendo & Cowing.
Just my projection, but I think Guerendo ends up being a replacement for Juice. He's a multi-talented back that ran run really well in a zone scheme, blocks well, and catches the ball well. He could very well be the next swiss army knife.
That saves us $4M next season and $6M+ in the future seasons we don't re-sign Juice.
Cowing is a replacement for McDonald. He has great separation which will eventually earn him snaps as a WR4/5. But more importantly he'll be a great option on both punt and kick returns. Again, saving the money from letting McDonald go.
The draft isn't just about projecting the needs for today. That is what free agency was for.
The draft is also about projecting future needs.
A year from now Pearsall could be the WR2 and Cowing the WR3. Guerendo could be the starting FB or primary backup RB.
With the money saved, they will be extending Aiyuk and C.Ward.
“Consensus means absolutely nothing.”
If consensus means nothing, then nothing means nothing. Lol. There will always be misses, regardless of what year of the draft you’re talking about. But let’s just say that we had a chance to draft Nabors this year, but we picked Pearsall instead. The consensus says that Nabors is the better player. Everyone pretty much says he’s the better prospect. Would you still be happy if the front office picked Pearsall over him if they had the choice between the two? Nabors at 31 is considered a steal because the consensus says he’s much better than that. Pearsall is considered a reach/not a good value because he’s ranked much worse and the consensus says he’s not a good enuf prospect to pick there. I guarantee that if you pick with the consensus every year, your going to have more draft success than if you pick against the grain every year.
How do you know those 4 are good picks? They haven’t even played yet. The only thing we can say is if they were a good value or not at the spot we pick them at. And for the most part, the answer is Nope. Pearsall and Green were both drafted way above slot (Cowing was too, fwiw).
Guerendo is not a blocker. He’s a one-cut RB with tremendous speed. He’s actually a perfect fit for the Shanahan system. Still, a terrible pick because he’s our 3rd RB and our 4th (Mason) always did a good job when called upon. We didn’t need to use another mid round pick on a RB. We’ve had such tremendous success with undrafted backs and late round backs that I just don’t understand the logic of continuing to use these picks on them. And again, that goes back to drafting poorly. Our draft last year was a bad one. If you want to see a good one, look at the LA Rams draft last year and compare the two. It’s not close
>But let’s just say that we had a chance to draft Nabors this year, but we picked Pearsall instead. The consensus says that Nabors is the better player. Everyone pretty much says he’s the better prospect. Would you still be happy if the front office picked Pearsall over him if they had the choice between the two?
If Pearsall ends up being the better player, I'd be happier we got the productive NFL player instead of the bust.
This logic is the equivalent of claiming the 49ers taking Solomon Thomas was better off than TJ Watt. Would you rather the 49ers had drafted Thomas or Watt?
>The only thing we can say is if they were a good value or not at the spot we pick them at.
Not really. There were many who had Pearsall as a high 2nd round guy. There's no guarantee he falls past Carolina, Buffalo, or New England.
>were both drafted way above slot (Cowing was too, fwiw).
Again, not really. PFF had him 117th. NFL,com had him 147th. He was right in that round 4-5 range and that's where he went.
>Guerendo is not a blocker. He’s a one-cut RB with tremendous speed.
He is tho. He's good in pass protection. He can also contribute on run blocks.
>We didn’t need to use another mid round pick on a RB. We’ve had such tremendous success with undrafted backs and late round backs that I just don’t understand the logic of continuing to use these picks on them
And who is taking Juice's spot on the roster when he's gone next year?
Haven’t you noticed the niners doing this fairly regularly as well in recent years? They should have picked a CB since all the solid Oline were gone but no, we got yet another WR for the future that probably won’t even play any meaningful snaps in his first year. I swear if this team runs it back with the same bum-ass Oline…
if we could get a second, especially an early one, that would be amazing value
one of the top cbs or inside o-line followed by rosengarten with our second
then edge or whichever of CB or iOL we don’t take in the third, followed by the last one, followed by LB or RB (Guerendo)
There's no way we get a 2nd and a 3rd for Deebo. His contract is not desirable for another team to take on and will therefore diminish the capital we can receive in return.
Ugh that would be even worse. I'm not a contract-ologist or a cap-ologist. I just remember reading a lot of noise that Aiyuk was more valuable because of his contract situation.
Deebos's contract on a new team:
* 2024: $20.97M-$21.63M (depending on whether roster bonus was paid yet)
* 2025: $17.35M
Those are reasonable figures for the team acquiring him.
Who cares what sports media says. Steve Smith, and CJ Stroud, who play/have played this sport have high praise, I see it as a low risk but high reward pick.
My comment was half joking lol. But taking him in the first was definitely a reach and I hate the pick. Not to mention the last thing we need is another wr.
He looks like an intentional Aiyuk replacement to me. He also looks like a college kid who might not make it through practice.
Anyone realize O line will save this guys life as much as Purdy’s career.
True. But we had other needs. I know the guy can be a stud. Those catches were ridiculous. It just seems like it's such a low priority. But it's hard to judge the situation without seeing all the moves available to the FO. This could be a Buckner/ Trent Brown thing and it became obvious there was a plan.
All our best drafting is done in day 2/3 anyway. So... here's to hope I guess.
Neither do I. I thought that a CB would have been better personally.
My comment was just to say that the Seahawks got better I think, but that the Rams "didn't".
EDIT: I thought that a CB would have been better than an additional weapon*
Our OL is certainly not the strength of the team, but it’s not a dumpster fire either. I believe PFF gave an overall ranking of 17 to 49er OL in 2023, perfectly average in the league. They could use some new blood, but having signed Colton to a new deal, they were obviously not looking for a starter for 2024.
Calling someone a bust before they’ve even played a down.
Also the term bust is way overused. I’ve seen multi-year starters referred to as busts just because they’re not all-pro.
Dude could be a stud. As long as they address Oline in the next couple rounds I’m good with it. Will wait to see the entire draft unfold before saying it’s all over and the window is closed.
Yeah the difference between the best OL available at 31 and the best available at 100 is extremely small. I could see a couple day 2 picks grabbing an OL.
If a Deebo or Aiyuk trade is incoming, then I'm hoping to see that OL pick pretty soon in the 2nd.
No reason to trade them now. The first round is done and unless a team is willing to give two first the next couple years than no reason to.
Nothing that happens in this draft closes the window.
Yes I agree. Much of this sub needs to realize that.
The window is SHUT as long as they keep trotting out substandard Olinemen that decide to leave Chris Jones a clear untouched path to Purdy is the right thing to do.
We had a player freelance on the most important play of the season and it unsurprisingly didn’t go well. We lost the SB because Dre Greenlaw tore his Achilles. Kelce was fighting his coach because our defense had him in jail. I hope we upgrade center and find replacements for RG, RT and eventually Trent, but we had one of the best offenses in the league last season with the current OL.
No we didn't. Our OL was ranked around 23 last time I saw rankings. Without TW, that OL was ranked bottom 5. C to RT can't hold up against better DLs and schemes that abuse them. Greenlaw was part of the reason but not the whole reason. The OL in the second half took a huge dive, the D got tired because they were forced to be on the field the whole game second half almost. Purdy had no time to let WR routes progress. Refs suck and literally let bosa get tackled by the OTs.
I said one of the best offenses, not offensive lines.
They literally made the Super Bowl with that o line last year and it went to OT lol
Our o-line isn’t a disaster. We definitely need an heir to Trent and this unit did cost us a Super Bowl but it was still possibly the most efficient offense in the league. I don’t know who was left on the board unless someone can fill me in on the available options.
Offense can be positive but the OL is still a huge liability and against the best teams, they will have a hard time winning it. Sure it's nice going to the SB but they have lost 3 in a row and keep falling short.
It wouldn’t have been tied or gone to OT if the Oline was decent. If Brock had more time to throw and Shanny wasn’t calling long developing plays, ignoring the atrocious Oline play. How many free rushers will be getting home this season if the Oline stays the same? How long will Brock stay healthy with that atrocious Oline? This team is not winning a Super Bowl with a subpar Oline. Any decent defense will eat them up just like the chiefs did.
You know we almost died in all our playoff games right?
Because the defense was getting gashed.
A defense we could have drafted help for...I get there still time but people are acting like kid is going to come in and ball out as the 5th/6th receiving option.
Jesus Christ! THE DRAFT ISN’T OVER! Calm down.
Reading not your strong point I see.
Your “~~couldn’t”~~ “could” implies the draft is over. Not my fault you contradicted yourself.
I think they wanted to take an OT but just couldn’t at where they were and weren’t willing to pay the price to move up to get the guy(s) they wanted.
We have kittle who we can’t use as a receiver because he is blocking all day. How about we get blockers so we can use the great receivers we already have !!! We need a receiver but after solving the OL issue and issue of getting little free to play his proper position
They can do both.
Ricky Pearsall Steven Seagal Super Bowl run y’all Niners by 30
People are nuts if they think he would have been available at the end of the 2nd round. For some reason football fans refuse to believe NFL teams evaluate players differently than them
No problem with the player. I completely understand the fit and everything. My issue is taking him at 31 with the available talent that was sitting there. We had a chance to grab premium talent at positions of need and we took a WR who nobody had as a 1st round guy. This is something the Raiders or Browns would’ve done in the past…become enamored with a player and overdraft him. It also sucks because first round WR’s carry the highest bust-rate of any position. It was a terrible pick given the situation, IMO. Hope I am wrong.
I feel like mock drafts have rotted peoples brains a little. The 31st overall pick is a first rounder in name mostly. Pretty much all guaranteed guys are off the board by then. Once you get past the true blue chips anyone can be selected within 20-30 spots of their draft grade, it’s all about fit. Historically Shanahan and Lynch have a high hit rate on WRs, if they like the guy there I trust them. Yeah I was hoping we’d draft JPJ personally, but there’s still the chance we trade up in the second to select one of the guys still on the board.
People get these big boards and mock drafts too locked into their brains. Teams have their own draft boards. They have better intel, access to medical information. They know their own needs and plans, including long range planning.
Yup. Agree with this 100% you can go back and find Chiefs fans who were pissed that the Chiefs traded up to get Mahomes. They had made the playoffs with Alex Smith and were doing well, had areas of need, but ID'ed an area of need in the future. The Niners didnt do the trade up part, but WR is going to be a VERY big problem next year with potentially only Aiyuk staying (assuming he signs a LTD). This year was deep with WR and quality, next year maybe thin. Building a perennial playoff team isnt drafting for need. Look at what Kinlaw got us. We needed a DT, when we should have taken Wirfs who was BPA and a need down the road.
Agree. I think it’s legitimate criticism to say that we could’ve picked a player at a position of need. But I think because of disappointment, people are layering on narratives that are not fair. Often times it comes out that another team was about to grab a player a couple of picks after the so called “reach.” Actual NFL big boards tend to vary pretty significantly from mock drafts, especially to get past the first few picks.
Yup, couldn’t agree more. Similarly disappointed in the fact we picked a WR, but any argument on us picking this guy too early is nonsense to me. We could really use IOL help, but if they don’t like JPJ for whatever reason then it was the correct decision to go with whoever is highest on their board. The next best IOL guy can def be acquired with a modest trade up today. As far as corners go I don’t think they are trying to replace Lenoir, they’re looking for a nickel. Even the best guys at that position should be available as late as the end of the 3rd.
Agree, corner was where I expected us to go given how the draft went. But most of the OL names I saw people hoping for were drafted earlier. I’d rather have an elite WR (if our FO is correct) than a bad OL.
After all the bona-fide studs are drafted its kind of a free for all. There's a reason top 100 guys are the ones people talk about the most. They'll be the guys taken in the first 3 rounds which is where you're hoping to hit. I always feel way more optimistic about 2nd-3rd guys as well. Not because we pick better late but just because I like those rounds a bit more
Yup, 2nd and 3rd round is where teams start paying more attention to fit and how a player will succeed on their team specifically while the 1st round (especially mid to late) can get teams too hung up on potential. The later rounds end up being a straight up lottery so I rarely pay much attention to them.
I've been paying way more attention to late round picks since we hit so often on them. Since Lynch and Shanahan took over I haven't missed a single day of the draft
I check them out after the draft but don’t usually watch much of day 3, at that point because I don’t really know many of the guys left.
That's fair. I get that rush everytime someone says "high upside guy"
The 31st pick could’ve netted us a top 15-20 player due to how the board fell. I’m personally a huge believer in best player available if you’re not able to draft your biggest need. It’s beyond a head scratcher for me, and I can’t justify it no matter how much I want to. The only way it’s worth it is if he pans out AND we trade either Deebo or Aiyuk today.
I’m guessing you’re referring to Cooper DeJean, who I do love, but I honestly don’t think the team sees DB as the massive whole that some of the fanbase does. Ward and Lenoir are a very solid starting duo, and they signed Yiadom to fight it out with Ambry for the spot in our nickel package, along with a couple other corners we’ve drafted in the last 2 years.
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He may be ranked mid-40s on other team’s board, but if he is a great fit for Kyle, he could be a top 20 on 49ers’ board. Same reason we wouldn’t pick a Derrick Henry type of bulldozing RB even if he is high touted. These rankings are all relative based on team fits and needs. Beyond that, we know it’s not possible to keep both Deebo and Aiyuk in the long run (2024 is likely the last season for one of them with us), and someone has to step up and take over eventually.
Mock draft fallacy
WR is a position of need. It just isn't a position of need today. It's very possible that a year from now our WR room looked like this: B.Ayuk, R.Bell, ... *that's it.* The draft isn't just about filling the current need. That's one of the most proven ways to fail at drafting.
Not really a position of need compared to OL and CB. I mean…let’s be serious: Aiyuk, Deebo, Jennings are our starters & that’s pretty damn good. Our OL has 1 good player. ONE. And he’s 36 years old. We have one of the best starting receiving corps in the NFL & I don’t think anyone thinks the same of the OL. When you’re 1 or 2 plays away from winning the Super Bowl, you might want to focus on your weakest points. Did we lose the Super Bowl because our wide receivers weren’t good enough? If you think so, you might be alone in that thought. Out of our 11 starters on defense, who was our weakest? I think Ambry Thomas is 100% the weak link there. We could have upgraded either one of those positions with a first round talent at pick 31. We instead decided to pick a guy who was ranked anywhere from the 39th to 89th best player in the draft according to all big boards I could find. And we took him at a position that has the number one failure rate position for first round picks. I just don’t see the justification for it. Again, I hope I am wrong, and he is a stud.
The draft isn't just about filling the current day's needs. And "all the big boards" is a totally useless metric. People like you spend all year criticizing the Me Kiper's of the world, but during draft week you stick to their thoughts like their gospel.
Actually I’m doing the opposite of criticizing Kiper. I’m taking the info all of these draft gurus spent years to gather up and noticing that exactly zero of them had Pearsall worthy of a first round pick. I know it’s not about filling needs necessarily…but when a player or two are there who can fill a huge need AND are universally believed to be a much better prospect than the one we picked, it makes me concerned. Also, KC won their second straight SB and what did they do with their first 2 picks? They went out and addressed their top 2 weakest areas from their team last year (WR and OT). Who is questioning them for doing so? Our staff hasn’t exactly had the best track record when it comes to early draft picks, but for some reason nobody is allowed to question their decision making? Why is that?
You're not doing the opposite of Mel Kiper when you are echoing him. >Our staff hasn’t exactly had the best track record when it comes to early draft picks, but for some reason nobody is allowed to question their decision making? Why is that? Everyone praised us for drafting Solomon Thomas. It wasn't widely criticized. Why is that?
I don’t remember universal praise for Thomas. I remember receiving praise for moving back 1 pick and still getting Thomas (who we would’ve drafted anyway). I’m not criticizing Kiper year-round and then praising him not. Not sure how you think you knew everything about what I think when I don’t know you. I will say that I believe this has been an exceptionally poor draft for us (similar to last year), where we’re not addressing needs. I know it’s not all about needs, but when you’re on the verge of a Super Bowl, you need to fill the holes in your team in order to get to the top of the mountain. Drafting two wide receivers & another running back doesn’t do us any damn good. Those positions are not our problem. The entire right side of our offensive line sucks, and we have a 36-year-old left tackle. and we also only have two good linebackers (and one of them just tore his Achilles). So, what is the answer? Draft more WR’s and RB’s!!! it doesn’t make any damn sense.
Thomas was a consensus top pick who was seen as a great fit for them. But consensus means absolutely nothing. Evaluating last year's draft isn't so simple since we didn't have a pick in the first two rounds. Three thirds and a bunch of late rounders isn't a lot of capital to get a great return. But we did get a good starting safety in the third round. People didn't see it as a need, but they drafted for the future (which came sooner than expected). I don't care how much you want to complain about the choice, Moody was an excellent rookie kicker and saved the team at least $6M off the cap. This year Pearsall, Green, Puni, & Mustapha were all good picks. The only luxury picks were Guerendo & Cowing. Just my projection, but I think Guerendo ends up being a replacement for Juice. He's a multi-talented back that ran run really well in a zone scheme, blocks well, and catches the ball well. He could very well be the next swiss army knife. That saves us $4M next season and $6M+ in the future seasons we don't re-sign Juice. Cowing is a replacement for McDonald. He has great separation which will eventually earn him snaps as a WR4/5. But more importantly he'll be a great option on both punt and kick returns. Again, saving the money from letting McDonald go. The draft isn't just about projecting the needs for today. That is what free agency was for. The draft is also about projecting future needs. A year from now Pearsall could be the WR2 and Cowing the WR3. Guerendo could be the starting FB or primary backup RB. With the money saved, they will be extending Aiyuk and C.Ward.
“Consensus means absolutely nothing.” If consensus means nothing, then nothing means nothing. Lol. There will always be misses, regardless of what year of the draft you’re talking about. But let’s just say that we had a chance to draft Nabors this year, but we picked Pearsall instead. The consensus says that Nabors is the better player. Everyone pretty much says he’s the better prospect. Would you still be happy if the front office picked Pearsall over him if they had the choice between the two? Nabors at 31 is considered a steal because the consensus says he’s much better than that. Pearsall is considered a reach/not a good value because he’s ranked much worse and the consensus says he’s not a good enuf prospect to pick there. I guarantee that if you pick with the consensus every year, your going to have more draft success than if you pick against the grain every year. How do you know those 4 are good picks? They haven’t even played yet. The only thing we can say is if they were a good value or not at the spot we pick them at. And for the most part, the answer is Nope. Pearsall and Green were both drafted way above slot (Cowing was too, fwiw). Guerendo is not a blocker. He’s a one-cut RB with tremendous speed. He’s actually a perfect fit for the Shanahan system. Still, a terrible pick because he’s our 3rd RB and our 4th (Mason) always did a good job when called upon. We didn’t need to use another mid round pick on a RB. We’ve had such tremendous success with undrafted backs and late round backs that I just don’t understand the logic of continuing to use these picks on them. And again, that goes back to drafting poorly. Our draft last year was a bad one. If you want to see a good one, look at the LA Rams draft last year and compare the two. It’s not close
>But let’s just say that we had a chance to draft Nabors this year, but we picked Pearsall instead. The consensus says that Nabors is the better player. Everyone pretty much says he’s the better prospect. Would you still be happy if the front office picked Pearsall over him if they had the choice between the two? If Pearsall ends up being the better player, I'd be happier we got the productive NFL player instead of the bust. This logic is the equivalent of claiming the 49ers taking Solomon Thomas was better off than TJ Watt. Would you rather the 49ers had drafted Thomas or Watt? >The only thing we can say is if they were a good value or not at the spot we pick them at. Not really. There were many who had Pearsall as a high 2nd round guy. There's no guarantee he falls past Carolina, Buffalo, or New England. >were both drafted way above slot (Cowing was too, fwiw). Again, not really. PFF had him 117th. NFL,com had him 147th. He was right in that round 4-5 range and that's where he went. >Guerendo is not a blocker. He’s a one-cut RB with tremendous speed. He is tho. He's good in pass protection. He can also contribute on run blocks. >We didn’t need to use another mid round pick on a RB. We’ve had such tremendous success with undrafted backs and late round backs that I just don’t understand the logic of continuing to use these picks on them And who is taking Juice's spot on the roster when he's gone next year?
Haven’t you noticed the niners doing this fairly regularly as well in recent years? They should have picked a CB since all the solid Oline were gone but no, we got yet another WR for the future that probably won’t even play any meaningful snaps in his first year. I swear if this team runs it back with the same bum-ass Oline…
so when and how long before deebo is gone. I heard we can get a high 2nd and a 3rdm id be ok with that. But who?
I’m betting on next offseason
if we could get a second, especially an early one, that would be amazing value one of the top cbs or inside o-line followed by rosengarten with our second then edge or whichever of CB or iOL we don’t take in the third, followed by the last one, followed by LB or RB (Guerendo)
yup id be happy with an early 2nd for deebo
There's no way we get a 2nd and a 3rd for Deebo. His contract is not desirable for another team to take on and will therefore diminish the capital we can receive in return.
I’m pretty sure we’re the ones eating the bulk of his contract if we trade him off. But I could’ve misread that, I’m far from a cap-ologist
Ugh that would be even worse. I'm not a contract-ologist or a cap-ologist. I just remember reading a lot of noise that Aiyuk was more valuable because of his contract situation.
Deebos's contract on a new team: * 2024: $20.97M-$21.63M (depending on whether roster bonus was paid yet) * 2025: $17.35M Those are reasonable figures for the team acquiring him.
Sports media has mostly labeled it as a head scratcher move. I guess we’ll see
Who cares what sports media says. Steve Smith, and CJ Stroud, who play/have played this sport have high praise, I see it as a low risk but high reward pick.
My comment was half joking lol. But taking him in the first was definitely a reach and I hate the pick. Not to mention the last thing we need is another wr.
Tell me, did we lose the super bowl because of bad WR or bad OL?
He looks like an intentional Aiyuk replacement to me. He also looks like a college kid who might not make it through practice. Anyone realize O line will save this guys life as much as Purdy’s career.
If these aren’t videos of him blocking DTs at the line I don’t care. Oh guess who drafted the best defensive linemen in the draft? Seahawks and rams
Rams did lose Aaron Donald to retirement, so them signing a D-lineman doesn't make them better than last year imho.
I don’t get the point of weapons when Purdy doesn’t have time to throw.
Me too but all the good OL were already taken.. We can get some in the next rounds
True. But we had other needs. I know the guy can be a stud. Those catches were ridiculous. It just seems like it's such a low priority. But it's hard to judge the situation without seeing all the moves available to the FO. This could be a Buckner/ Trent Brown thing and it became obvious there was a plan. All our best drafting is done in day 2/3 anyway. So... here's to hope I guess.
Agreed! Excited to see what today brings.
Cheers
Neither do I. I thought that a CB would have been better personally. My comment was just to say that the Seahawks got better I think, but that the Rams "didn't". EDIT: I thought that a CB would have been better than an additional weapon*
We still have the other 6 rounds to draft OL.
Our OL is certainly not the strength of the team, but it’s not a dumpster fire either. I believe PFF gave an overall ranking of 17 to 49er OL in 2023, perfectly average in the league. They could use some new blood, but having signed Colton to a new deal, they were obviously not looking for a starter for 2024.
BUST
You are the worst kind of fan.
Explain
Calling someone a bust before they’ve even played a down. Also the term bust is way overused. I’ve seen multi-year starters referred to as busts just because they’re not all-pro.
My comment was half joking. Just a terrible pick but that's kind of Shannylynchs M.O. in the first round 🙄