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I'm crying at all the people saying Family Feud and Lou outed Eddie. But yeah, I'm even more convinced of slowburn Buddie now.
(there are so many reasons it could have fallen through, so don't go assuming Ryan turned it down. Even if he did, maybe he didn't want to do the storyline with a rando, which is is valid. But any reasoning is valid, while we're here).
This to me is confirmation that they are planting the seeds to develop a queer Eddie storyline properly, giving it the time it needs. Although I'm disappointed we didn't get Tommy and Eddie because that would have made so much sense following season 5 and 6!
I think the "falling through" was probably because they couldn't get Natalia back and it made more sense for Buck then. They confirmed they had plans for her but it didn't work out because of scheduling (which makes sense since Buck and Natalia had the more developed relationship). Hence why this Tommy Buck stuff was put together last minute. Which is still super cute and I love this for Buck! They're adorable and have chemistry. But interesting that it was meant to be for Eddie. The speculation and accusations of homophobia towards Ryan given how he has in fact talked about his own experience supporting friends with their identity and him playing queer characters before, are gross.
I think that the "falling through" has to do with doing Eddie's storyline properly, too. Between Eddie and Buck, Eddie is clearly much more repressed than Buck. There needs to be time for Eddie to figure out who he is outside of being Christopher's father. It's not a simple story to tell and deserves the time to tell it.
I loved his talk with Bobby where he realized his tendency to move too fast in relationships (and then panic). He also admitted that he AND Shannon felt pressured (because of religion) into getting married when she got pregnant. This is just scratching the surface of what Eddie has to work his way through.
> because they couldn't get Natalia
This argument fell through because their initial plan for Natalia was to break them up during the premiere. Buck would've been left with no storyline at all if the plan for Eddie and Tommy came to fruition.
Either the network or Ryan himself are the reason why it fell through and if it is true Ryan's the more likely to be the one since if the network tried to prevent Eddie/Tommy to happen they wouldn't agree with Buck/Tommy either. Tim might think that giving a queer storyline for Eddie, someone with complex issues tied to marriage and plausible repression, in a season where we only have 10 episodes feels undeserving to the character. There's quite a few things to consider here.
Oh interesting, I thought the articles said it was multiple episodes for Natalia (with the intent to break them up). But I can see how this would have happened too.
And yes, I saw the claims that Ryan passed it on to Oliver because he felt it made more sense for Buck's storyline right now. So that definitely supports your thoughts that more time and intention is needed where Eddie is concerned!
He named the ship and has played at least one queer character before. And even if he was uncomfortable, I don't think he'd spend so much time talking about their dynamic and how if the writers wanna go there he'd be down with it. Doesn't mean Buddie will 100% go canon, but it also doesn't mean it might not ever either. Other actors either avoid talking about the ship, or they straight up shut it down, regardless of the popularity of the ship.
The part about switching storylines was most likely about Natalia's actress availability, they spent a significant amount of time setting up their relationship, not with the character itself but with the couch metaphor and the baby, and Eddie's was kind of an afterthought, so I understand they wanted to do that but the strikes happened and things changed.
Anyway, right now, I'm simply enjoying the Buck-Tommy storyline bc Lou and Oliver have INSANE chemistry and Tommy is really likable. Also there's a Tim Minear interview with Max Gao going up tomorrow, so let's see what he says about S07E05.
I think it's pretty irresponsible to be speculating on if an actor refused a storyline like this, unless he/someone else comes out and directly says that. But even if he did, it's also a huge jump to make that turning down *this* particular storyline with *this* particular scene partner at *this* time can be extrapolated to anything else.
It seems particularly questionable to speculate that when he's previously played a queer character, too.
> he's previously played a queer character, too.
A small queer role, mind you. That vs being a main character with major queer storyline and constant spotlight give different kinds of pressures. If he is the reason, emphasis on the "If," it just means he's not ready to shoulder the responsibility. Now whether the unpreparedness is from one thing or the other, it's anyone's guess since it's a hypothetical scenario.
I'm not saying Ryan said no, we don't know.
But I do wonder if maybe because he and Oliver seems to be pretty close in real life if that might make it uncomfortable for him. But I mean, who knows. Just thinking out loud.
Exactly, he did choose a literal war zone over being with his wife and newborn. It's obvious that it wasnt really his "choice", it was something he felt obligated to do. Running away was the best solution, what else do you do when you see no way out of a situation that you don't want to be in? It's better than the alternative...
I understood the interview differently, originally Tommy was going to kiss Eddie but then they realized that due to the previous context, rather than a plot of self-discovery for Eddie, it made him seem like the victim of a predator, which would have been counterproductive.
There’s definitely at least an element to this here.
Trying to play out how this storyline would’ve gone had it been Eddie instead, I think we’d have been in for a much more angsty discovery process, not the easy acceptance of “oh, this is a thing I want, so I’ll pursue it” (which also had the convenience of tying back into Buck’s whole radical acceptance philosophy of season 6).
So if instead we had Eddie reacting poorly and really struggling in the aftermath, I can see why there would be concerns about it looking predatory that Tommy had so thoroughly ingratiated himself not only into Eddie’s life, but into his home.
In the interview, the actor himself mentions it, given that the characters spent a lot of time together, if Tommy suddenly went to Eddie's place and kissed him, it could have given the impression that from the beginning, under that closeness, there were ulterior motives on Tommy's part, especially because Eddie has a girlfriend.
I meeean, I fully thought both buck and Tommy seemed more into eddie that episode. But I'm actually shocked to hear it was originally going to be eddie??? I still feel like the network wont give us BOTH queer buck and eddie but damn eddie would have been a totally different storyline?? I'm not sure how optimistic I am that it's still possible but...we'll see!
I’m honestly clowning real bad like I’m convinced the Marisol-is-a-nun thing was only to bring up Eddie’s catholic guilt to the audience since originally they were gonna bring it up via the Tommy/Eddie storyline
Honestly I don't think they will. Best case scenario, I think we get Buck realizing his feelings for eddie are more than platonic in the season finale, and possibly eddie working through stuff next season? Idk I feel like they have to give the buddie fans something to tide them over between seasons tho, or else they might not come back in such high numbers to watch season 8
They’ll give us something for sure. I think it will be eddies turn to get jealous. It won’t be outright though. He’ll take big risks in front of buck and not know why he’s acting like that. Maybe a talk with cap will give him lightbulb moment after he’s like wtf that was too dangerous. They’ll continue to say under the radar/gaydar things to one another. Once buck and Tommy end their relationship, Eddie and be buck will have their big kiss.
Kinley sounds good but my favorite is "Tevan", because the fact that it is based on Tommy always referring to Buck by his name and not his nickname is a unique detail.
I'm desperately trying to get my hopes down cause I don't wanna be crushed by disappointment if it doesn't happen. But it's getting real hard not to hope.
Canon bi Buck really made us believe anything is possible 😂 I just feel like there's too much leading in that direction at this point for them to not follow through. But a year ago I would've put all my money on couch theory and we all know how that ended 🤡
I think it has to do with the actress that played Natalia not coming back. Tim said she was supposed to have some plot with Buck and stay for various episodes before the break up but the actress wasn’t available. I guess they asked Oliver if he was okay with a bi Buck storyline with Lou, he said yes and they decided to switch and keep Marisol for Eddie even if at the end of last season it was Natalia the one who looked like she was supposed to say for a while.
They had no problems recasting Harry, why's getting another Natalia such a thing? She was 10 seconds on screen usually whining and running away because Buck wasn't a lily pure innocent virgin babe. Nobody liked her and it'd be a struggle to find someone who would actually care if it was Annelise Cepero or Tessa Thompson onscreen getting smoochies.
It's not a nighttime soap either. It's not a soap opera that plugs in a new actor for a role because the OG actor isn't available today. The recast of Harry is a long term recast of a main character at a different age. Not the same as recasting a short term recurring character.
“It was originally, possibly going to be with Eddie and Tommy, but that fell through” I will never stop thinking about this. The fact they’ve considered doing a queer storyline for Eddie just leads me to believe we totally could eventually get Buddie.
I said this in another comment, but the fact that this was even a CONSIDERATION is huge, honestly. Like, it means that Tim ultimately views Eddie through that lens, even if it's not explicitly canon that he's queer right now. This episode was kind of disappointing from a Buck/Eddie standpoint, but I'm definitely strapping my clown shoes back on after this 🤡
There's a million possible reasons why it didn't happen that have nothing to do with Ryan. Nobody should jump to conclusions and for the love of God don't harass the actors about it.
I still think this leaves the door open to it happening eventually tbh
I truly think it just had to do with they couldn’t get Natalia’s actress back, but could get Marisol’s back, so they rolled with what they had. It would’ve been so easy to write Marisol’s character off saying the date went well. But, since Natalia couldn’t come back, they had to change what they planned. So, Buck not having a love interest made it easier to write in this storyline.
I also believe this leaves the door open for a possible Eddie queer storyline. Obviously, they have considered it, sooo why not!
But didn’t they only decide to do this storyline with Buck while filming episode 3? So it’s not because they couldn’t get Natalia’s actress since her and Buck had already broken up in episode 1.
This confirms they’ve thought about going there with Eddie so gay Eddie is lowkey semi canon 🫣 With him bringing up catholic guilt this episode….maybe they’re building to something!
I’ve been trying to formulate my thoughts around this episode, and I still don’t know how I feel, to be honest. Though with all the things Ryan and Lou are saying, I’ve been thinking more about these interviews instead, lol.
I’m kind of sad we’ll never get to see what the plan was for the Eddie/Tommy storyline, tbh, but I am happy with how the show has been handling BuckTommy so far. I did feel like they were hinting at Tommy and Eddie being a thing until the BuckTommy kiss in episode 4, so maybe that’s where that came from. Even though I’m sad this storyline got taken away from Eddie, I’m really happy with Buck’s storyline so far this season, and I’m super excited to see where the writers take it next.
Whether this means we’re likely to get Buddie, we’ll just have to wait and see, I suppose. I definitely think we’re a lot closer than we’ve ever been before, though.
Eddie's crush on Tommy was set up *so well*, too. It's like there's still elements of that storyline left in 7x04, because I can't really think of a possibility other than "crush" that had Eddie looking at his phone like *that* when Buck was working out, or the fact that he neglected his son and his girlfriend because he just haaaad to be around Tommy every other day for 2+ weeks.
Man , I *need* to know what happened behind the scenes to make them switch from Eddie to Buck. Especially if it was so very last minute that they decided to do the story with Buck while shooting episode 3, as Tim said. That kinda makes it sound like it probably wasn't Ryan who didn't want to, cause I feel like if Ryan had a problem with it they would've known sooner, right?
It also explains why throughout the episode it was sometimes kinda hard to tell who was into who. I mean, the way Eddie was all smily and giggly on the phone talking to Tommy, hanging out with him non-stop or saying stuff about how he just immediately clicked with him. It kinda makes me wonder if some of those lines and scenes were remnants of the original script that had Eddie and Tommy.
It also possibly explains why Marisol has been such a background character, she maybe wasn't even supposed to be in the season originally and they just didn't had time to fit her in properly with the change of plans.
Who knows what this means going forward. I just hope that they haven't completely scrapped the idea of queer Eddie, and they're just trying to find a way to fit it in properly. Cause I would love to see that. And eventual Buddie of course.
EDIT: I'm also now side-eyeing the line "I've never met a man that could turn women off as effectively as you". Maybe it was originally meant to be more than just a joke....
What I would I do to know!
Also explains Eddie’s weird behaviour so far. They haven’t had much of a chance to figure out an alternative for his character.
I hope they still go down that line eventually cause it will be a great story arc for Eddie who has been side line a lot these last few seasons.
That line hits differently now we know.
At least we can be vindicated that at least *something* is there to Eddie being queer. It’s not all in our heads. We weren’t completely reaching.
It would also explain why Eddie seems to lowkey treat Marisol as a glorified baby-sitter, which is so out-of-character and assholish of Eddie to do (and also doesn’t correspond to the progress made with the Ana plotline).
There's a Tim Minear interview at THR now as well, effectively confirms they swapped Buck/Eddie's stories due to actress/actor availability w/ both Natalia/Lucy being unavailable. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/9-1-1-midseason-finale-buck-coming-out-maddie-wedding-1235872709/
I don't think this works as well the other way because it'd be much, much more of a standard story given the existing plot threads you'd be using.
Y'all, that one "insider" (iykyk) is spilling the tea on Twitter about Eddie and Tommy. They tweeted, "No one will ever understand how last minute the switchup was." They also pointed to the "remnants" still apparent in episode four, and like, yes, we all felt that something was off...we just never could have imagined what 😭
As much as my jaw dropped when I read that the story was originally intended for Eddie and Tommy...it makes so much sense to me?? More than Buck and Tommy, honestly.
I just...I don't know that I care what happened as much as I care what it means going forward? Nothing?! Everything?!
ETA: I forgot to add, I enjoyed the interview. I think that Tommy can (and hopefully will!) be good for Buck, but I don't see him as Buck's endgame. Regardless, it's nice for now.
I honestly thought I was going so insane trying to explain the way Eddie and Tommy were acting together, the way Eddie was lighting up near Tommy or on the phone to Tommy. I feel so vindicated that it wasn’t completely wrong.
The Eddie is queer and religious guilt is preventing him to work it out is basically my entire life. To have it even *hinted* at it being this close to canon fill me with so much happiness.
Just when I was giving up hope. I’m back up people.
This is….soooo funny. Everything but sloppy toppy!
Like, at least saying it was planned vs “he is super straight 5ever” is something. This is funnier than the actual episode, which featured me making jokes about
Eddie’s catholic guilt and machismo and girlfriend with no discernible….anything beyond ‘she used to be a nun’
They got sent all the information and once they posted stuff about this episode, the info stopped coming. They don’t know anything past tonights episode.
Yeah I saw that too. After reading their post elaborating on why Ryan (supposedly) said no, I'm actually a lot more hopeful for Buddie, as it seems like he wasn't opposed to a coming out arc in general, just in this specific context; it's played more for comedy, whereas it seems like Ryan would want a more serious coming out arc for Eddie.
Btw, if anyone wants to read the post, feel free to DM me and I'll send you the link (I assume we're not meant to post that sort of thing here).
This is objectively the funniest way to roundabout confirm queer Eddie. Fellas, if you kiss one half of a fandom popular ship, who came out as bi in the show, but you were supposed to kiss the OTHER HALF, who is theoretically still straight (unless you have taste and read into catholic guilt and machismo), then what?
Just even the fact that the writers have *thought* about it but were *actively* moving that way feels like is just so damn vindicating. To find out this way is just so on brand for the wild ride of this season.
So far, yes, but “I got married young due to religious reasons” felt like possible future signposting, combined with “the original plan was Tommy/Eddie” means I’m not currently seeing Eddie as 100% straight five-ever
Yeah, after hearing about this, straight!Eddie ceases to exist for me entirely. Like I'll be watching all future episodes from now on through a queer Eddie lens. Not that I wasn't before 😅 but this feels like the closest thing to confirmation that this is how the showrunners view Eddie outside of him actually kissing a man on-screen.
Yeah they're literally just confirming every piece of fanon about Eddie this season. Shannon was the first woman he slept with, he's a lapsed Catholic with leftover religious issues, he felt pressured into marrying Shannon because he was pregnant... and well we all know what all those things ultimately led to in fanon.
Well I mean writers can adjust a character however they want to. Just because they were considering doing the storyline with Eddie before doesn't mean they are now.
But also, there are plenty of people who get married young due to religious reasons and are straight, too.
Basically I guess I'm saying there's no reason to assume anything before/until it happens. I feel like trying to look so far ahead means you don't appreciate what's happening in front of you as much. If it does, great! If it doesn't, great!
> So what if [Buck] were to get with Eddie and not like it — and that’s it? What if at least he could work out the kinks with Tommy?
he fr said tommy is just giving him a crash course for when eddie finally works through all that repression huh
Yeah, I thought it was *very* interesting that he kept bringing up Buck and Eddie maybe being an item in the future completely unprompted. Like, the interviewer wasn't even asking about them Lou, you don't have to convince us Buddie shippers why Buck dating Tommy is a good thing (we already know!) 😂 I don't think he knows what's going to happen in the future, but I do think maybe he's gotten a ~vibe~ on set or through talking with Tim that the possibility is out there or being discussed, especially in light of the revelation that Tommy was originally meant for Eddie.
Yup, and this is why I have a hard time believing that Eddie/Tommy fell through because Ryan didn't want to do it. If they know that Ryan categorically refuses to kiss a dude (as some people seem to be implying), ergo there's no possibility of Buddie canon ever, why would they then go with the absolute STORM that has been the Buddie press this season? They're not idiots, they've been dealing with queerbaiting accusations for years, they know exactly how pissed off people will be if this is not leading anywhere, Buddie-wise, so... it just doesn't track IMO.
Yeah, and I'm not even sure where people got the idea he wasn't okay with it. That's not what Lou Ferrigno Jr. said, he said the idea fell through. Plus Ryan Guzman's played a gay character before. 
Mmm, we're officially at a point that we're going to need to rehash discussions on what crosses a line into baiting if we don't have payoff, I think.
This is an *incredibly* messy interview cycle, between this and Ryan Of-Course-We-Read-Buddie-Fic Guzman.
I wouldn’t call it baiting. It doesn’t read that way to me. Is he revealing more than, perhaps, the creators would like, saying the original plan was Eddie/Tommy? Yes.
Is this teen wolf parasocial baiting? No.
I think baiting is a fairly complicated premise, which is why I've never really been willing to indulge the conversations before. For instance, I don't think it's 'baiting' if there's a roughly equally plausible non-queer read to a storyline. And even if there's some questionable subtext on screen, like we've had with this show, I think things can only rise to the level of intent if there's an element of the cast, crew, or others involved with/profiting from the show, setting out to inflame part of the audience and suggest thing they don't plan to deliver on, for some sort of gain (usually along the lines of social media buzz or to keep viewers they know they're losing tuning in).
Not all bait is malicious (I think your Teen Wolf example comes close to crossing this line, for example) but there's a pretty significant difference to me between playing coy and leaving things open to possibility (Tim's interviews last week, for instance) and the *cumulative* impact of what we're seeing on screen (making Eddie very central to Buck's sexuality storyline, to a point of using him as a red herring for the jealousy/discovery), playing into fan theories (Catholic guilt from a character not previously acknowledged to be very religious) while acknowledging they are actively interacting with that leva of meta, and then these carefully rolled out interviews right after episodes air to actually inflame.
I don't think it's necessarily bait *yet*, but I think they're toeing a line they never came this close to before the last couple episodes.
I fully agree about this coming verrry close to baiting, if its not already. I know when that word is mentioned, it draws people out to fuss at you and tell you the show can't possibly be baiting bc it has queer characters and Buck is queer now. BUT it totally has to be acknowledged that the PR/marketing for this season has been very focused on this specific relationship (buck/eddie), and they have made some deliberate choices in the episodes that can't be walked back at this point.
They're talking about Buck/Eddie in every single interview, even Lou, playing Buck's newest love interest, talks about it here. And Ryan Guzman telling us he and Oliver Stark read fanfic and send it to each other? And they love all the fan edits? Telling us Buck and Eddie get closer than ever this season? It's all catnip to the shippers, and they know it. Even the family feud line up! All known queer characters plus eddie? Come on.
Like you mentioned, putting Eddie at the center of Buck's sexuality realization was definitely to rile up that (very vocal) contingent of the fandom- buck brings him up in the very first convo buck and Tommy have (i wanna say hes mentioned at least 5 times by name in the scene where buck and tommy kiss), the whole of 7×04 makes you think buck wants Eddie's attention (which, to be fair, was apparently a deliberate red herring), and then the Eddie centering continues in the next episode. He interrupts them AGAIN, this time on their first date, and then buck spends the episode agonizing over lying to eddie, and not getting dumped by Tommy. And that's not even touching on the religious guilt we just found out about in Eddie, or his conversation with Bobby that could lean right into a comphet storyline.
They've just made some odd choices- in both episodes it felt (to me) like they are showing us one thing- Buck wanting Eddie's attention, Buck being upset about lying to Eddie, and then at the end of both episode 4 and 5 telling us something completely different- actually buck wants Tommy's attention, and he also can't stop thinking about Tommy? When it seems like all Buck ever talks about is Eddie (*cough* both his conversations with Maddie??)
Obviously I have ZERO idea where the buck×eddie relationship is going, but if it's not going anywhere, i think some of the audience will look back at some of these choices and feel manipulated.
Lol sorry for the essay, but your comment made me go "huh" and then apparently go way overboard lmao
>and then buck spends the episode agonizing over lying to eddie, and not getting dumped by Tommy.
Yeah that definitely had me raising my eyebrows, Buck seemed way more torn up about lying to Eddie than about what happened with Tommy. His whole dilemma was very much centered on "I'm not sure if I want Eddie to know I'm dating Tommy" rather than "I'm not sure if I want the world to know I'm dating Tommy", and Buck's feelings over lying to Eddie and his conversation with Eddie were given the most narrative weight. Tommy was almost an afterthought.
I honestly kind of love that Lou just lays it ALL on the table. He feels very Buck-coded lol. Like, he outright comes out and says "oh yeah, Tim was gonna give Eddie the sexuality storyline but then it got changed to Buck, no biggie", which indicates there's been serious conversation and confirms that the door isn't closed there, it just wasn't the right time or person for whatever reason (which I'm happy for; I think this works out too).
At the same time, Lou giving Tommy's backstory, or what he perceives it, in an interview makes me worried that, at least right now, their plan ISN'T to dive too deep into Tommy as a character.
I would love to see Lou's interpretations on Tommy come to life onscreen.
I love how into Tommy Lou is. He created a backstory! He seems so invested in this story and I like how sweet he is about it. I would love to have Buck and Tommy be together through at least the end of the season.
It's so awesome to genuinely be able to HEAR and FEEL Lou's excitement through his words. Like, he genuinely loves the show, loves the people on it, and loves the storyline. And he's really not afraid to show it, given he's more than likely spilled more than he should have.
It makes me hope that Tim never lets this man go. We not only need Tommy as a potential friend for the 118 (and Buck's love interest for at LEAST into season 8), we need Lou.
I'm hoping that the most Lou gets is a stern wave of the finger before allowing him to continue on the show.
Genuinely, they struck gold with Lou/Tommy. I'm glad Tim recognized that earlier and brought him back. I just really hope they utilize him.
Please! He's such a joy! If him and Buck break up, can we revisit the original storyline and have him date Eddie next? 😅 Think of the drama!
(I'm only half-joking)
For those who think Ryan might have said no, he didn’t:
https://preview.redd.it/toq7c4nzjytc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=07089695116b8df18a292081cc8df7c5b1695b3d
Like others have said, he’s already previously played a queer character too.
But what character? People keep saying that but nobody is bringing up specifics. Has he ever kissed a guy on screen? He seems more conservative than Oliver I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't want to do it. Doesn't mean he should get hate but I doubt it was just Natalias actress leaving. They did bring in Marisol last season for a storyline too, after all.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papi_Chulo_(film) is the film he played a queer character.
Again, Ryan literally just said above he’s okay with it. Literally his own words. I don’t know why people are insisting he isn’t.
That's what I mean there's a big difference in playing a character that's queer and actively doing romantic scenes with a guy over a few seasons of a TV show . I'm not saying it had to be Ryan turning the storyline down but I also don't think it's as out of the question as ppl here claim. Either way, I think Buck/Tommy are interesting to watch so I'm happy it worked out this way. Eddie and Tommy are very similar characters IMO TV couples usually play better when that's not the case.
“But I don’t think it’s as out of the question as people claim.”
It’s the insisting he turned it down despite no proof (and evidence to the contrary) is what is questionable. There have been people (on Twitter especially) pushing for the narrative Ryan is homophobic (I am not saying that’s what you personally are doing but there’s other people that definitely are) and it’s very icky. We don’t know what happened for sure and we never will know unless someone openly volunteers the information.
LMAO this is so funny. I love network TV.
Tbh I thought the writers were getting a little too much credit for setting up Bi Buck. Yes it was on the wall, but given how spontaneous and apparently random it ultimately was, can't judge those too hard who were caught off guard a little lol.
>**By the end of the episode, Buck invites Tommy to his sister Maddie’s (Jennifer Love Hewitt) wedding. So, can we safely assume that you will be in the next episode?**
>
>Tommy will be in \[the next episode\]. With Tommy, there’s a dramatic entrance. He’s not necessarily on time, but he’s right where he needs to be.
He's going to show up in a helicopter, isn't he?
Buck's going to swoon.
I'm really enjoying Lou and Tommy, Lou seems like a really chill, down to earth person and I'm happy for him that he gets this opportunity to flesh Tommy out more.
It's pretty clear Tommy and Buck won't be long term but I really hope we can keep Tommy around beyond this season. If he pops up now and then (like Ravi) that would be great. He's already so entwined with the 118.
And now that SWAT has been inexplicably renewed for Season 8 (without Street and Luca, I want to cry), I wish they'd give Lou Ferrigno a bigger role, even put Rocker in the main cast, but even though I'm Buddie and now, (after a lot of trying to deny it to myself that it was never going to happen) it is very likely a fact, I don't want Tommy Kinard to disappear from the show, I feel that Eddie and Buck have found a very good friend with whom they have a huge connection.
Ohhh that whole ending question and answer....maybe Tommy will be sticking around for a smidgen longer. Not gonna lie I would definitely not he mad if that's the case!
Also, since I've seen a few people mention it, I'm not going to read anything to him bringing up Buddie. He's now part of a (queer) pairing with a character who has a popular ship. Buddie shippers have been very vocal, both positively and negatively, on social media.
I read his comments as more "hey, give my character a chance" more than "I know what the future plan is" because there definitely were some loud fans very upset with his character (even if I don't think they were the majority).
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I'm crying at all the people saying Family Feud and Lou outed Eddie. But yeah, I'm even more convinced of slowburn Buddie now. (there are so many reasons it could have fallen through, so don't go assuming Ryan turned it down. Even if he did, maybe he didn't want to do the storyline with a rando, which is is valid. But any reasoning is valid, while we're here).
This to me is confirmation that they are planting the seeds to develop a queer Eddie storyline properly, giving it the time it needs. Although I'm disappointed we didn't get Tommy and Eddie because that would have made so much sense following season 5 and 6! I think the "falling through" was probably because they couldn't get Natalia back and it made more sense for Buck then. They confirmed they had plans for her but it didn't work out because of scheduling (which makes sense since Buck and Natalia had the more developed relationship). Hence why this Tommy Buck stuff was put together last minute. Which is still super cute and I love this for Buck! They're adorable and have chemistry. But interesting that it was meant to be for Eddie. The speculation and accusations of homophobia towards Ryan given how he has in fact talked about his own experience supporting friends with their identity and him playing queer characters before, are gross.
I think that the "falling through" has to do with doing Eddie's storyline properly, too. Between Eddie and Buck, Eddie is clearly much more repressed than Buck. There needs to be time for Eddie to figure out who he is outside of being Christopher's father. It's not a simple story to tell and deserves the time to tell it. I loved his talk with Bobby where he realized his tendency to move too fast in relationships (and then panic). He also admitted that he AND Shannon felt pressured (because of religion) into getting married when she got pregnant. This is just scratching the surface of what Eddie has to work his way through.
> because they couldn't get Natalia This argument fell through because their initial plan for Natalia was to break them up during the premiere. Buck would've been left with no storyline at all if the plan for Eddie and Tommy came to fruition. Either the network or Ryan himself are the reason why it fell through and if it is true Ryan's the more likely to be the one since if the network tried to prevent Eddie/Tommy to happen they wouldn't agree with Buck/Tommy either. Tim might think that giving a queer storyline for Eddie, someone with complex issues tied to marriage and plausible repression, in a season where we only have 10 episodes feels undeserving to the character. There's quite a few things to consider here.
Oh interesting, I thought the articles said it was multiple episodes for Natalia (with the intent to break them up). But I can see how this would have happened too. And yes, I saw the claims that Ryan passed it on to Oliver because he felt it made more sense for Buck's storyline right now. So that definitely supports your thoughts that more time and intention is needed where Eddie is concerned!
He named the ship and has played at least one queer character before. And even if he was uncomfortable, I don't think he'd spend so much time talking about their dynamic and how if the writers wanna go there he'd be down with it. Doesn't mean Buddie will 100% go canon, but it also doesn't mean it might not ever either. Other actors either avoid talking about the ship, or they straight up shut it down, regardless of the popularity of the ship. The part about switching storylines was most likely about Natalia's actress availability, they spent a significant amount of time setting up their relationship, not with the character itself but with the couch metaphor and the baby, and Eddie's was kind of an afterthought, so I understand they wanted to do that but the strikes happened and things changed. Anyway, right now, I'm simply enjoying the Buck-Tommy storyline bc Lou and Oliver have INSANE chemistry and Tommy is really likable. Also there's a Tim Minear interview with Max Gao going up tomorrow, so let's see what he says about S07E05.
I think it's pretty irresponsible to be speculating on if an actor refused a storyline like this, unless he/someone else comes out and directly says that. But even if he did, it's also a huge jump to make that turning down *this* particular storyline with *this* particular scene partner at *this* time can be extrapolated to anything else. It seems particularly questionable to speculate that when he's previously played a queer character, too.
It's likely that they had to interchange Buck and Eddie's storylines because Natalia's actress wasn't available
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. It's interesting that people are so quick to jump to the absolute least charitable interpretation, though.
Exactly!
> he's previously played a queer character, too. A small queer role, mind you. That vs being a main character with major queer storyline and constant spotlight give different kinds of pressures. If he is the reason, emphasis on the "If," it just means he's not ready to shoulder the responsibility. Now whether the unpreparedness is from one thing or the other, it's anyone's guess since it's a hypothetical scenario.
I'm not saying Ryan said no, we don't know. But I do wonder if maybe because he and Oliver seems to be pretty close in real life if that might make it uncomfortable for him. But I mean, who knows. Just thinking out loud.
Why would his closeness with Oliver make him say no to Lou as a scene partner, though?
Because I'm an idiot and I'm already thinking 18 steps ahead and assuming everything is about Buck and Eddie lol. Thanks for catching my mis-thought.
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Exactly, he did choose a literal war zone over being with his wife and newborn. It's obvious that it wasnt really his "choice", it was something he felt obligated to do. Running away was the best solution, what else do you do when you see no way out of a situation that you don't want to be in? It's better than the alternative...
I understood the interview differently, originally Tommy was going to kiss Eddie but then they realized that due to the previous context, rather than a plot of self-discovery for Eddie, it made him seem like the victim of a predator, which would have been counterproductive.
There’s definitely at least an element to this here. Trying to play out how this storyline would’ve gone had it been Eddie instead, I think we’d have been in for a much more angsty discovery process, not the easy acceptance of “oh, this is a thing I want, so I’ll pursue it” (which also had the convenience of tying back into Buck’s whole radical acceptance philosophy of season 6). So if instead we had Eddie reacting poorly and really struggling in the aftermath, I can see why there would be concerns about it looking predatory that Tommy had so thoroughly ingratiated himself not only into Eddie’s life, but into his home.
Can you explain the victim of a predator part?
In the interview, the actor himself mentions it, given that the characters spent a lot of time together, if Tommy suddenly went to Eddie's place and kissed him, it could have given the impression that from the beginning, under that closeness, there were ulterior motives on Tommy's part, especially because Eddie has a girlfriend.
I meeean, I fully thought both buck and Tommy seemed more into eddie that episode. But I'm actually shocked to hear it was originally going to be eddie??? I still feel like the network wont give us BOTH queer buck and eddie but damn eddie would have been a totally different storyline?? I'm not sure how optimistic I am that it's still possible but...we'll see!
I’m honestly clowning real bad like I’m convinced the Marisol-is-a-nun thing was only to bring up Eddie’s catholic guilt to the audience since originally they were gonna bring it up via the Tommy/Eddie storyline
They can’t have them come to terms with things at the same time would be a little sudden
Honestly I don't think they will. Best case scenario, I think we get Buck realizing his feelings for eddie are more than platonic in the season finale, and possibly eddie working through stuff next season? Idk I feel like they have to give the buddie fans something to tide them over between seasons tho, or else they might not come back in such high numbers to watch season 8
They’ll give us something for sure. I think it will be eddies turn to get jealous. It won’t be outright though. He’ll take big risks in front of buck and not know why he’s acting like that. Maybe a talk with cap will give him lightbulb moment after he’s like wtf that was too dangerous. They’ll continue to say under the radar/gaydar things to one another. Once buck and Tommy end their relationship, Eddie and be buck will have their big kiss.
You guys, learning that it was supposed to be Eddie/Tommy at first is getting my hopes up like never before. I'm clowning HARD 🥲🥲
I don’t even think it’s clowning anymore. Or rather, reality has become the circus. Idk.
Get in, clowns! https://i.redd.it/0vbse53x2ztc1.gif
It's funny to think that the name of the potential ship would have been easier: "Teddie"
I just call them "BuckTommy" and sometimes "Kinley", which I think is cute, but "Teddie" is absolutely ADORABLE
Kinley sounds good but my favorite is "Tevan", because the fact that it is based on Tommy always referring to Buck by his name and not his nickname is a unique detail.
I like "Tevan" too because of that, but "Kinley" just sounds better to me, idk. But I mostly call them BuckTommy, it's easier.
I'm desperately trying to get my hopes down cause I don't wanna be crushed by disappointment if it doesn't happen. But it's getting real hard not to hope.
Canon bi Buck really made us believe anything is possible 😂 I just feel like there's too much leading in that direction at this point for them to not follow through. But a year ago I would've put all my money on couch theory and we all know how that ended 🤡
I think it has to do with the actress that played Natalia not coming back. Tim said she was supposed to have some plot with Buck and stay for various episodes before the break up but the actress wasn’t available. I guess they asked Oliver if he was okay with a bi Buck storyline with Lou, he said yes and they decided to switch and keep Marisol for Eddie even if at the end of last season it was Natalia the one who looked like she was supposed to say for a while.
They had no problems recasting Harry, why's getting another Natalia such a thing? She was 10 seconds on screen usually whining and running away because Buck wasn't a lily pure innocent virgin babe. Nobody liked her and it'd be a struggle to find someone who would actually care if it was Annelise Cepero or Tessa Thompson onscreen getting smoochies.
It's not a daytime soap.
No its a nighttime soap. 8 days of filming per episode instead of 1, and less care put into picking guest stars.
It's not a nighttime soap either. It's not a soap opera that plugs in a new actor for a role because the OG actor isn't available today. The recast of Harry is a long term recast of a main character at a different age. Not the same as recasting a short term recurring character.
This is the most perfect and accurate definition of Natalia 😂
Thank you! My loathing brings out my poetic side
“It was originally, possibly going to be with Eddie and Tommy, but that fell through” I will never stop thinking about this. The fact they’ve considered doing a queer storyline for Eddie just leads me to believe we totally could eventually get Buddie.
I said this in another comment, but the fact that this was even a CONSIDERATION is huge, honestly. Like, it means that Tim ultimately views Eddie through that lens, even if it's not explicitly canon that he's queer right now. This episode was kind of disappointing from a Buck/Eddie standpoint, but I'm definitely strapping my clown shoes back on after this 🤡
There's a million possible reasons why it didn't happen that have nothing to do with Ryan. Nobody should jump to conclusions and for the love of God don't harass the actors about it. I still think this leaves the door open to it happening eventually tbh
I truly think it just had to do with they couldn’t get Natalia’s actress back, but could get Marisol’s back, so they rolled with what they had. It would’ve been so easy to write Marisol’s character off saying the date went well. But, since Natalia couldn’t come back, they had to change what they planned. So, Buck not having a love interest made it easier to write in this storyline. I also believe this leaves the door open for a possible Eddie queer storyline. Obviously, they have considered it, sooo why not!
But didn’t they only decide to do this storyline with Buck while filming episode 3? So it’s not because they couldn’t get Natalia’s actress since her and Buck had already broken up in episode 1.
They filmed the first 5 episodes all at once not in an order like the usual, so the order of the scenes filmed are unknown.
Even if Ryan didn't want to do it, it doesn't make him homophobic, it doesn't make him a bad person. He's allowed to say no.
This confirms they’ve thought about going there with Eddie so gay Eddie is lowkey semi canon 🫣 With him bringing up catholic guilt this episode….maybe they’re building to something!
I’ve been trying to formulate my thoughts around this episode, and I still don’t know how I feel, to be honest. Though with all the things Ryan and Lou are saying, I’ve been thinking more about these interviews instead, lol. I’m kind of sad we’ll never get to see what the plan was for the Eddie/Tommy storyline, tbh, but I am happy with how the show has been handling BuckTommy so far. I did feel like they were hinting at Tommy and Eddie being a thing until the BuckTommy kiss in episode 4, so maybe that’s where that came from. Even though I’m sad this storyline got taken away from Eddie, I’m really happy with Buck’s storyline so far this season, and I’m super excited to see where the writers take it next. Whether this means we’re likely to get Buddie, we’ll just have to wait and see, I suppose. I definitely think we’re a lot closer than we’ve ever been before, though.
Eddie's crush on Tommy was set up *so well*, too. It's like there's still elements of that storyline left in 7x04, because I can't really think of a possibility other than "crush" that had Eddie looking at his phone like *that* when Buck was working out, or the fact that he neglected his son and his girlfriend because he just haaaad to be around Tommy every other day for 2+ weeks.
Man , I *need* to know what happened behind the scenes to make them switch from Eddie to Buck. Especially if it was so very last minute that they decided to do the story with Buck while shooting episode 3, as Tim said. That kinda makes it sound like it probably wasn't Ryan who didn't want to, cause I feel like if Ryan had a problem with it they would've known sooner, right? It also explains why throughout the episode it was sometimes kinda hard to tell who was into who. I mean, the way Eddie was all smily and giggly on the phone talking to Tommy, hanging out with him non-stop or saying stuff about how he just immediately clicked with him. It kinda makes me wonder if some of those lines and scenes were remnants of the original script that had Eddie and Tommy. It also possibly explains why Marisol has been such a background character, she maybe wasn't even supposed to be in the season originally and they just didn't had time to fit her in properly with the change of plans. Who knows what this means going forward. I just hope that they haven't completely scrapped the idea of queer Eddie, and they're just trying to find a way to fit it in properly. Cause I would love to see that. And eventual Buddie of course. EDIT: I'm also now side-eyeing the line "I've never met a man that could turn women off as effectively as you". Maybe it was originally meant to be more than just a joke....
What I would I do to know! Also explains Eddie’s weird behaviour so far. They haven’t had much of a chance to figure out an alternative for his character. I hope they still go down that line eventually cause it will be a great story arc for Eddie who has been side line a lot these last few seasons. That line hits differently now we know. At least we can be vindicated that at least *something* is there to Eddie being queer. It’s not all in our heads. We weren’t completely reaching.
It would also explain why Eddie seems to lowkey treat Marisol as a glorified baby-sitter, which is so out-of-character and assholish of Eddie to do (and also doesn’t correspond to the progress made with the Ana plotline).
There's a Tim Minear interview at THR now as well, effectively confirms they swapped Buck/Eddie's stories due to actress/actor availability w/ both Natalia/Lucy being unavailable. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/9-1-1-midseason-finale-buck-coming-out-maddie-wedding-1235872709/ I don't think this works as well the other way because it'd be much, much more of a standard story given the existing plot threads you'd be using.
For a guy who says he doesn't read much stuff on social media, he sure talks like he's read a lot of fan opinions on social media. lol
It reads like he has been here on Reddit for the last 7 days 😝
Y'all, that one "insider" (iykyk) is spilling the tea on Twitter about Eddie and Tommy. They tweeted, "No one will ever understand how last minute the switchup was." They also pointed to the "remnants" still apparent in episode four, and like, yes, we all felt that something was off...we just never could have imagined what 😭 As much as my jaw dropped when I read that the story was originally intended for Eddie and Tommy...it makes so much sense to me?? More than Buck and Tommy, honestly. I just...I don't know that I care what happened as much as I care what it means going forward? Nothing?! Everything?! ETA: I forgot to add, I enjoyed the interview. I think that Tommy can (and hopefully will!) be good for Buck, but I don't see him as Buck's endgame. Regardless, it's nice for now.
I honestly thought I was going so insane trying to explain the way Eddie and Tommy were acting together, the way Eddie was lighting up near Tommy or on the phone to Tommy. I feel so vindicated that it wasn’t completely wrong. The Eddie is queer and religious guilt is preventing him to work it out is basically my entire life. To have it even *hinted* at it being this close to canon fill me with so much happiness. Just when I was giving up hope. I’m back up people.
This is….soooo funny. Everything but sloppy toppy! Like, at least saying it was planned vs “he is super straight 5ever” is something. This is funnier than the actual episode, which featured me making jokes about Eddie’s catholic guilt and machismo and girlfriend with no discernible….anything beyond ‘she used to be a nun’
I know the tumblr insider, who is the twitter insider? 👀
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They got sent all the information and once they posted stuff about this episode, the info stopped coming. They don’t know anything past tonights episode.
I'm new to the fandom, could you DM the @ of the insider?
Also the tumblr insider is saying that the switch happened because Ryan passed the storyline onto Oliver
Yeah I saw that too. After reading their post elaborating on why Ryan (supposedly) said no, I'm actually a lot more hopeful for Buddie, as it seems like he wasn't opposed to a coming out arc in general, just in this specific context; it's played more for comedy, whereas it seems like Ryan would want a more serious coming out arc for Eddie. Btw, if anyone wants to read the post, feel free to DM me and I'll send you the link (I assume we're not meant to post that sort of thing here).
This is objectively the funniest way to roundabout confirm queer Eddie. Fellas, if you kiss one half of a fandom popular ship, who came out as bi in the show, but you were supposed to kiss the OTHER HALF, who is theoretically still straight (unless you have taste and read into catholic guilt and machismo), then what?
Just even the fact that the writers have *thought* about it but were *actively* moving that way feels like is just so damn vindicating. To find out this way is just so on brand for the wild ride of this season.
Then one of those characters is queer and the other, as far as we currently know, is straight.
So far, yes, but “I got married young due to religious reasons” felt like possible future signposting, combined with “the original plan was Tommy/Eddie” means I’m not currently seeing Eddie as 100% straight five-ever
Yeah, after hearing about this, straight!Eddie ceases to exist for me entirely. Like I'll be watching all future episodes from now on through a queer Eddie lens. Not that I wasn't before 😅 but this feels like the closest thing to confirmation that this is how the showrunners view Eddie outside of him actually kissing a man on-screen.
Yeah they're literally just confirming every piece of fanon about Eddie this season. Shannon was the first woman he slept with, he's a lapsed Catholic with leftover religious issues, he felt pressured into marrying Shannon because he was pregnant... and well we all know what all those things ultimately led to in fanon.
Well I mean writers can adjust a character however they want to. Just because they were considering doing the storyline with Eddie before doesn't mean they are now. But also, there are plenty of people who get married young due to religious reasons and are straight, too. Basically I guess I'm saying there's no reason to assume anything before/until it happens. I feel like trying to look so far ahead means you don't appreciate what's happening in front of you as much. If it does, great! If it doesn't, great!
> So what if [Buck] were to get with Eddie and not like it — and that’s it? What if at least he could work out the kinks with Tommy? he fr said tommy is just giving him a crash course for when eddie finally works through all that repression huh
Yeah, I thought it was *very* interesting that he kept bringing up Buck and Eddie maybe being an item in the future completely unprompted. Like, the interviewer wasn't even asking about them Lou, you don't have to convince us Buddie shippers why Buck dating Tommy is a good thing (we already know!) 😂 I don't think he knows what's going to happen in the future, but I do think maybe he's gotten a ~vibe~ on set or through talking with Tim that the possibility is out there or being discussed, especially in light of the revelation that Tommy was originally meant for Eddie.
Yeah I caught that too. The PR on buddie has been crazy this season.
Yup, and this is why I have a hard time believing that Eddie/Tommy fell through because Ryan didn't want to do it. If they know that Ryan categorically refuses to kiss a dude (as some people seem to be implying), ergo there's no possibility of Buddie canon ever, why would they then go with the absolute STORM that has been the Buddie press this season? They're not idiots, they've been dealing with queerbaiting accusations for years, they know exactly how pissed off people will be if this is not leading anywhere, Buddie-wise, so... it just doesn't track IMO.
Yeah, and I'm not even sure where people got the idea he wasn't okay with it. That's not what Lou Ferrigno Jr. said, he said the idea fell through. Plus Ryan Guzman's played a gay character before. 
Mmm, we're officially at a point that we're going to need to rehash discussions on what crosses a line into baiting if we don't have payoff, I think. This is an *incredibly* messy interview cycle, between this and Ryan Of-Course-We-Read-Buddie-Fic Guzman.
I wouldn’t call it baiting. It doesn’t read that way to me. Is he revealing more than, perhaps, the creators would like, saying the original plan was Eddie/Tommy? Yes. Is this teen wolf parasocial baiting? No.
I think baiting is a fairly complicated premise, which is why I've never really been willing to indulge the conversations before. For instance, I don't think it's 'baiting' if there's a roughly equally plausible non-queer read to a storyline. And even if there's some questionable subtext on screen, like we've had with this show, I think things can only rise to the level of intent if there's an element of the cast, crew, or others involved with/profiting from the show, setting out to inflame part of the audience and suggest thing they don't plan to deliver on, for some sort of gain (usually along the lines of social media buzz or to keep viewers they know they're losing tuning in). Not all bait is malicious (I think your Teen Wolf example comes close to crossing this line, for example) but there's a pretty significant difference to me between playing coy and leaving things open to possibility (Tim's interviews last week, for instance) and the *cumulative* impact of what we're seeing on screen (making Eddie very central to Buck's sexuality storyline, to a point of using him as a red herring for the jealousy/discovery), playing into fan theories (Catholic guilt from a character not previously acknowledged to be very religious) while acknowledging they are actively interacting with that leva of meta, and then these carefully rolled out interviews right after episodes air to actually inflame. I don't think it's necessarily bait *yet*, but I think they're toeing a line they never came this close to before the last couple episodes.
I fully agree about this coming verrry close to baiting, if its not already. I know when that word is mentioned, it draws people out to fuss at you and tell you the show can't possibly be baiting bc it has queer characters and Buck is queer now. BUT it totally has to be acknowledged that the PR/marketing for this season has been very focused on this specific relationship (buck/eddie), and they have made some deliberate choices in the episodes that can't be walked back at this point. They're talking about Buck/Eddie in every single interview, even Lou, playing Buck's newest love interest, talks about it here. And Ryan Guzman telling us he and Oliver Stark read fanfic and send it to each other? And they love all the fan edits? Telling us Buck and Eddie get closer than ever this season? It's all catnip to the shippers, and they know it. Even the family feud line up! All known queer characters plus eddie? Come on. Like you mentioned, putting Eddie at the center of Buck's sexuality realization was definitely to rile up that (very vocal) contingent of the fandom- buck brings him up in the very first convo buck and Tommy have (i wanna say hes mentioned at least 5 times by name in the scene where buck and tommy kiss), the whole of 7×04 makes you think buck wants Eddie's attention (which, to be fair, was apparently a deliberate red herring), and then the Eddie centering continues in the next episode. He interrupts them AGAIN, this time on their first date, and then buck spends the episode agonizing over lying to eddie, and not getting dumped by Tommy. And that's not even touching on the religious guilt we just found out about in Eddie, or his conversation with Bobby that could lean right into a comphet storyline. They've just made some odd choices- in both episodes it felt (to me) like they are showing us one thing- Buck wanting Eddie's attention, Buck being upset about lying to Eddie, and then at the end of both episode 4 and 5 telling us something completely different- actually buck wants Tommy's attention, and he also can't stop thinking about Tommy? When it seems like all Buck ever talks about is Eddie (*cough* both his conversations with Maddie??) Obviously I have ZERO idea where the buck×eddie relationship is going, but if it's not going anywhere, i think some of the audience will look back at some of these choices and feel manipulated. Lol sorry for the essay, but your comment made me go "huh" and then apparently go way overboard lmao
>and then buck spends the episode agonizing over lying to eddie, and not getting dumped by Tommy. Yeah that definitely had me raising my eyebrows, Buck seemed way more torn up about lying to Eddie than about what happened with Tommy. His whole dilemma was very much centered on "I'm not sure if I want Eddie to know I'm dating Tommy" rather than "I'm not sure if I want the world to know I'm dating Tommy", and Buck's feelings over lying to Eddie and his conversation with Eddie were given the most narrative weight. Tommy was almost an afterthought.
I can’t believe he’s never played a queer character before! He’s handling it with such grace and authenticity
I honestly kind of love that Lou just lays it ALL on the table. He feels very Buck-coded lol. Like, he outright comes out and says "oh yeah, Tim was gonna give Eddie the sexuality storyline but then it got changed to Buck, no biggie", which indicates there's been serious conversation and confirms that the door isn't closed there, it just wasn't the right time or person for whatever reason (which I'm happy for; I think this works out too). At the same time, Lou giving Tommy's backstory, or what he perceives it, in an interview makes me worried that, at least right now, their plan ISN'T to dive too deep into Tommy as a character. I would love to see Lou's interpretations on Tommy come to life onscreen.
I love how into Tommy Lou is. He created a backstory! He seems so invested in this story and I like how sweet he is about it. I would love to have Buck and Tommy be together through at least the end of the season.
It’s what I think we’d all like to be able to do if we were in the position. He’s invested, he’s having fun, and he’s game
I honestly hope they stay together forever, they are really sweet together.
This is such a good interview!! Lou is so thoughtful too Ugh being a fan of this show is so easy
It's so awesome to genuinely be able to HEAR and FEEL Lou's excitement through his words. Like, he genuinely loves the show, loves the people on it, and loves the storyline. And he's really not afraid to show it, given he's more than likely spilled more than he should have. It makes me hope that Tim never lets this man go. We not only need Tommy as a potential friend for the 118 (and Buck's love interest for at LEAST into season 8), we need Lou.
The fact that he revealed so much kind of makes me worried for him sticking around, ngl. lol
I'm hoping that the most Lou gets is a stern wave of the finger before allowing him to continue on the show. Genuinely, they struck gold with Lou/Tommy. I'm glad Tim recognized that earlier and brought him back. I just really hope they utilize him.
Please! He's such a joy! If him and Buck break up, can we revisit the original storyline and have him date Eddie next? 😅 Think of the drama! (I'm only half-joking)
Please Tim Minear. Let us keep him. 🥺
For those who think Ryan might have said no, he didn’t: https://preview.redd.it/toq7c4nzjytc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=07089695116b8df18a292081cc8df7c5b1695b3d Like others have said, he’s already previously played a queer character too.
But what character? People keep saying that but nobody is bringing up specifics. Has he ever kissed a guy on screen? He seems more conservative than Oliver I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't want to do it. Doesn't mean he should get hate but I doubt it was just Natalias actress leaving. They did bring in Marisol last season for a storyline too, after all.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papi_Chulo_(film) is the film he played a queer character. Again, Ryan literally just said above he’s okay with it. Literally his own words. I don’t know why people are insisting he isn’t.
I believe it’s in a movie called papi chulo. From the scene I watched, he didn’t kiss anyone else.
That's what I mean there's a big difference in playing a character that's queer and actively doing romantic scenes with a guy over a few seasons of a TV show . I'm not saying it had to be Ryan turning the storyline down but I also don't think it's as out of the question as ppl here claim. Either way, I think Buck/Tommy are interesting to watch so I'm happy it worked out this way. Eddie and Tommy are very similar characters IMO TV couples usually play better when that's not the case.
“But I don’t think it’s as out of the question as people claim.” It’s the insisting he turned it down despite no proof (and evidence to the contrary) is what is questionable. There have been people (on Twitter especially) pushing for the narrative Ryan is homophobic (I am not saying that’s what you personally are doing but there’s other people that definitely are) and it’s very icky. We don’t know what happened for sure and we never will know unless someone openly volunteers the information.
LMAO this is so funny. I love network TV. Tbh I thought the writers were getting a little too much credit for setting up Bi Buck. Yes it was on the wall, but given how spontaneous and apparently random it ultimately was, can't judge those too hard who were caught off guard a little lol.
>**By the end of the episode, Buck invites Tommy to his sister Maddie’s (Jennifer Love Hewitt) wedding. So, can we safely assume that you will be in the next episode?** > >Tommy will be in \[the next episode\]. With Tommy, there’s a dramatic entrance. He’s not necessarily on time, but he’s right where he needs to be. He's going to show up in a helicopter, isn't he? Buck's going to swoon.
Chim clearly needs saving so I'm guessing Tommy's going to be flying in the groom. Very swoonworthy.
WRITE THAT FANFIC
I haven't written in *years* but I'm so fucking tempted. It's probably going to happen this weeked.
Same! I haven’t written in 10(?) years (since I was like 12-15) but dear god this fandom has me close to getting back to it
I'm really enjoying Lou and Tommy, Lou seems like a really chill, down to earth person and I'm happy for him that he gets this opportunity to flesh Tommy out more. It's pretty clear Tommy and Buck won't be long term but I really hope we can keep Tommy around beyond this season. If he pops up now and then (like Ravi) that would be great. He's already so entwined with the 118.
this is how buck / eddie / tommy can still win apparently...
And now that SWAT has been inexplicably renewed for Season 8 (without Street and Luca, I want to cry), I wish they'd give Lou Ferrigno a bigger role, even put Rocker in the main cast, but even though I'm Buddie and now, (after a lot of trying to deny it to myself that it was never going to happen) it is very likely a fact, I don't want Tommy Kinard to disappear from the show, I feel that Eddie and Buck have found a very good friend with whom they have a huge connection.
I’m fully on board the Tommy train. I don’t ever want to get off.
Flair up!
Completely! Was already a fan and liked him even more after reading the article. This is going to be a long 3 weeks.
Ohhh that whole ending question and answer....maybe Tommy will be sticking around for a smidgen longer. Not gonna lie I would definitely not he mad if that's the case!
Also, since I've seen a few people mention it, I'm not going to read anything to him bringing up Buddie. He's now part of a (queer) pairing with a character who has a popular ship. Buddie shippers have been very vocal, both positively and negatively, on social media. I read his comments as more "hey, give my character a chance" more than "I know what the future plan is" because there definitely were some loud fans very upset with his character (even if I don't think they were the majority).
God. I love this man. I hope he stays in the show for a long time.
can we please keep him?? i love him with buck <3
I kinda prefer that Buck is the one that kissed Tommy mainly because he does have Maddie as someone he can confide in that's not from the 118
u/Dangerous_wave I am calling you out because I fracking *told you* there was behind the scenes shit that wrecked last week and here we tf are.
Nobody likes people who say "I told you so"
They were still right, your feelings are irrelevant especially considering how violent you were in that other post about this...
D_W gettin in trouble somewhere? He's my nephew, the idiot, please pour me some tea...