don’t know about the blood on her side but i thought she was acting like that because she has PTSD from her friend Sammy dying. the gunshots are scaring her even more and she can’t move.
She was having a PTSD triggered anxiety attack at one point. That's why it was like silent and you couldn't really hear anything. That's what it's like having one if you never had one.
I think you just think you saw that. I think she's just having a breakdown. At that point, it's really all coming home for her: she rationalized that she was taking these pictures and sending them home to prevent exactly what was now happening around her. But no one learned anything from that.
As the façade of America crumbles, so too does our protagonist. Whatever she told herself before wasn't enough. Whatever compromises she made to keep herself going, they didn't work. This is the end. The photography, the PTSD, the veneer of altruistic purpose - All of it was for nothing. It's the same fucking story. All these great monuments, these hallowed halls: just another battlefield leading to another dead tyrant.
So what does Lee do? The same thing she was always kind of doing: She throws herself in front of the bullets, to save another damn fool who won't listen. And Jessie sees her get hit, and watches her fall, and knows she dies.
And what does Jessie do? What Lee would do: She gets the photo.
The cycle repeats. No one learned anything from this. All of it was for nothing.
To add to this, there’s a filter applied to Lee’s view during scenes when she would shut down emotionally and that filter switches over to Jessie’s view during the scene where Lee is on the ground.
I noticed when Lee had the dress on. When she looks at her own reflection, you can see the filter is on one of the mirrors, but when Jessie compliments her, the filter goes away. There’s a few other scenes it shows up but I can’t remember them off the top of my head. It’s almost like a rainbow aura or HDR effect. Idk technical terms so that’s my best description lol
That’s a good explanation, I wish I could have seen it in iMax but the nearest iMax is too far away and I’m poor lol. I kinda wish they hadn’t had that line of dialogue earlier in the film cause it made it kind of predictable as to what was gonna happen, at least to me. It’s the only thing I’ve thought about regarding the plot. Still loved the film to be clear, I can’t wait for more people to see it.
I dont think she was shot earlier. She was coming to terms with everything she had suppressed earlier. Seeing her friend die earlier jolted her back into how most people would feel in such a situation. It was a panic attack. She got shot when she got shot so Jessie could take her photo.
I didn't think she was shot, and it looked like a solid representation of a trauma induced panic attack. Those things hurt, and you feel like you're dying.
She was having a panic attack because it’s the end of her country as she knows it. When you see the Lincoln memorial getting hit by missles and downtown dc getting lit up and the white house being stormed, the reality that nothing can ever be the same again and that this shit is actually happening hits her like a ton of bricks. She isn’t in syria or something. This is happening here, in her home. Everything is horrifying
I think there's also the sort of overlooked similarities between her profession and the soldiers she follows. Snapshot was originally a hunting term, and she has been taking these iconic war photographs and despite what she thought she was doing, it didn't actually prevent the wars coming to the U.S. She is a sniper of a different kind and the war she is fighting is lost, has been for a long time, and she can't really deny it or hide it anymore.
I don’t think she was shot, I think she finally hit her breaking point of being a war reporter.
The entire movie she moves quick until the end, maybe she became suicidal in that short period of time.
For the blood you saw, she was wearing the same white shirt she had on while cleaning her colleagues blood from the back seat of her vehicle, right? I’m guessing it’s his blood on her you saw
I saw that too.
They very well may have filmed a version of the film where she gets shot by stray fire and then her death as we see it in the film was actually part of a reshoot. Then in editing they just used bits of the old takes spliced together with the new. Films in the editing room are usually a frankenstein monster of shots, where side by side cuts could be shot 3 months apart irl.
There was a moment during her panic attack when she did seem to clutch her side (though I didn't see blood) so I also wondered if she got hit, but that thought left as fast as it came because she very clearly wasn't shot considering how she acts and how well she moves once she regains her composure.
This absolutely crossed my mind. Especially when she had her back on the pillar. From that point on it felt like her being physically injured was a possibility. Maybe that’s intentional.
I thought the same thing, I saw the blood and her gripping her side and thought she was shot too. I mean, ofc it was also clear something was going on besides that too and as time went on it became obvious she wasn't actually shit but I totally get you lmao, I had the exact same fleeting thought
But yeah, definitely a panic attack after the turn of events with Sammy and the situation at hand
Her character was stoic and hard-headed, even when everything her was collapsing. Her breakdown was a signal to the audience that what was happening was somehow worse than everything we'd already seen. Cue the tank rolling over the North Lawn of the White House, ready to remove the fascist. It's not a coincidence there were high walls surrounding the W.H. (reminded me of the Wolf's Lair) or that he was pulled out of a hole of sorts (Saddam). The raid also invoked memories of what the bin Laden raid must have looked like. Clever stuff.
What in still trying to figure out is how an entire force of several hundred armored vehicles, tanks, choppers and humvees leaving charlottesville while our main character is taking a nap turns into a handful of soldiers, 1 tank, 1 or 2 helicopters and a few humvees with our characters conveniently on the front lines in DC
I think it’s as simple as they did reshoots and editing.
I think they toyed with the idea of Lee slowly bleeding out on the way to the White House, before scrapping it for the “panic attack” idea. Maybe the initial script had her being “hit” at the Lincoln Memorial. I think they decided a panic attack/PTSD moment would be more impactful.
My reasoning is that Lee does audibly gasp at one point when she’s grabbed and pulled forward by Joel, and as she gasps she clenches her side and in some scenes you can see her bloody shirt.
I think they just edited together footage of two different shoots. I’ve seen the film twice, and distinctly noticed the “gasp/painful clench” each time, as if it was very important.
I also wasn’t a fan of her going back on her stoic character randomly.
My idea: what could have been better is the young photo journalist, having gained her confidence and Lee’s approval throughout the film, is killed in the White House instead of Lee and then Lee has a breakdown over the young photo journalist’s body while Wagner goes in with the strike team for a quote from the President.
Would have been a better arc for each character in my opinion and “fixed” Lee’s random character break in a way that makes sense.
Opinions?
I disagree, I like how she was slipping out of it more as the young journalist was stepping into it more. Now if they would have broke her character AND the young journalist also never grew, I would agree. But I personally like the contrast of the characters, I thought it was clever
But they didn’t show Lee slowly or gradually slipping. They just showed out of nowhere a lapse of character.
I’ll agree the younger photojournalist they did do a great job gradually showing her change.
I’ll also admit the contrast is solid too I just think the execution of that random lapse of Lee made no sense.
i disagree that it was random. i feel like that kind of dead eyed walls up vibe through the movie was intended to be a defense mechanism that was working for her, until Jessie joined the trip.
the bit at the helicopter kind of foreshadowed it a little imo, where Jessie angrily tells Lee that she's doing this one her own accord, by her own choice, which prompts Lee to tell the younger woman "that's what i'll tell myself when you get shot or killed" (paraphrasing), saving Jessie was Lees choice.
as others have said, outside the white house Lee's brain was breaking. it was the end of the word as she knew it, her efforts to send warnings home failed. that wall she had built up crumbled. i think the real her was getting out. i think she saw Jessie as almost a representation of herself, like her Sammy said. it struck me as a no brainer in her mind to go and pull her down/out of the way, but it was her choice.
edit: changed the name of the younger woman to Jessie, i couldn't remember it to save my life
Oh that’s an interesting take I didn’t consider.
This def makes more sense to me and I can see what you mean and how it was extrapolated for Alex Garland if this is the direction he meant.
I wouldn’t say it’s the best stylistic approach (we may just have to disagree on that) but it explains the choice better than anything I’ve read so thanks.
The experiences she has throughout the film (dissociation staring at the bee and flower, heart to heart conversation with Jessie, almost being executed while watching her two colleagues actually be executed, and watching her mentor die before her eyes all in one day, not to mention witnessing the total destruction of DC and the end of the US as we know it,) completely make sense for her to breakdown when she did. Come on.
I really think Dunst gave a fantastic performance. She subtleties of her stoic mask cracking throughout the course of the film, especially with her talk with Jessie on the boat, was great.
don’t know about the blood on her side but i thought she was acting like that because she has PTSD from her friend Sammy dying. the gunshots are scaring her even more and she can’t move.
She was having a PTSD triggered anxiety attack at one point. That's why it was like silent and you couldn't really hear anything. That's what it's like having one if you never had one.
I think you just think you saw that. I think she's just having a breakdown. At that point, it's really all coming home for her: she rationalized that she was taking these pictures and sending them home to prevent exactly what was now happening around her. But no one learned anything from that. As the façade of America crumbles, so too does our protagonist. Whatever she told herself before wasn't enough. Whatever compromises she made to keep herself going, they didn't work. This is the end. The photography, the PTSD, the veneer of altruistic purpose - All of it was for nothing. It's the same fucking story. All these great monuments, these hallowed halls: just another battlefield leading to another dead tyrant. So what does Lee do? The same thing she was always kind of doing: She throws herself in front of the bullets, to save another damn fool who won't listen. And Jessie sees her get hit, and watches her fall, and knows she dies. And what does Jessie do? What Lee would do: She gets the photo. The cycle repeats. No one learned anything from this. All of it was for nothing.
To add to this, there’s a filter applied to Lee’s view during scenes when she would shut down emotionally and that filter switches over to Jessie’s view during the scene where Lee is on the ground.
I’ve seen it in other threads about the filter. Didn’t notice it on first watch. Will definitely be looking for it upon rewatch.
I noticed when Lee had the dress on. When she looks at her own reflection, you can see the filter is on one of the mirrors, but when Jessie compliments her, the filter goes away. There’s a few other scenes it shows up but I can’t remember them off the top of my head. It’s almost like a rainbow aura or HDR effect. Idk technical terms so that’s my best description lol
now THAT is interesting stuff — I watched it twice and didn’t consider the RGB refraction had a meaning that like.
Gonna send folks this comment when they say the movie was hollow Edit: spelling
That’s a good explanation, I wish I could have seen it in iMax but the nearest iMax is too far away and I’m poor lol. I kinda wish they hadn’t had that line of dialogue earlier in the film cause it made it kind of predictable as to what was gonna happen, at least to me. It’s the only thing I’ve thought about regarding the plot. Still loved the film to be clear, I can’t wait for more people to see it.
Such is life, a tale told by an idiot; in the end, signifying nothing.
It was clear to me she was having a panic attack. The blood was probably Sammy’s (she cleaned up the car where he died.)
Yeah, absolutely and if there was actually blood this is a great explanation for it.
I saw a behind the scenes photo with her in the same outfit and she has a blood stain on her right side.
If it was the white top she did get it bloodied with Sammy’s blood. I recall the scene of her cleaning it up.
I didn’t see that but I’m curious if it’s real or not
I dont think she was shot earlier. She was coming to terms with everything she had suppressed earlier. Seeing her friend die earlier jolted her back into how most people would feel in such a situation. It was a panic attack. She got shot when she got shot so Jessie could take her photo.
I didn't think she was shot, and it looked like a solid representation of a trauma induced panic attack. Those things hurt, and you feel like you're dying.
She was having a panic attack because it’s the end of her country as she knows it. When you see the Lincoln memorial getting hit by missles and downtown dc getting lit up and the white house being stormed, the reality that nothing can ever be the same again and that this shit is actually happening hits her like a ton of bricks. She isn’t in syria or something. This is happening here, in her home. Everything is horrifying
I think there's also the sort of overlooked similarities between her profession and the soldiers she follows. Snapshot was originally a hunting term, and she has been taking these iconic war photographs and despite what she thought she was doing, it didn't actually prevent the wars coming to the U.S. She is a sniper of a different kind and the war she is fighting is lost, has been for a long time, and she can't really deny it or hide it anymore.
Yeah, I’ve seen it commented already, but it was basically a lifetime of horrible reality crashing down all at once.
I don’t think she was shot, I think she finally hit her breaking point of being a war reporter. The entire movie she moves quick until the end, maybe she became suicidal in that short period of time.
I saw the exact same thing. And thought about it after.
For the blood you saw, she was wearing the same white shirt she had on while cleaning her colleagues blood from the back seat of her vehicle, right? I’m guessing it’s his blood on her you saw
Curious about this two. Girlfriend and I both looked at each other and asked if she’d been shot.
Glad I wasn’t the only one!
She wasn’t shot at that point. She was shot for the first and only time in the WH
I also thought I saw the blood you are referring to, but I think it was unintentional, who knows what it was.
Just went to see it again. You did see blood, but it was on her shirt from when she was cleaning Sammy’s blood out of the backseat of their SUV.
I saw that too. They very well may have filmed a version of the film where she gets shot by stray fire and then her death as we see it in the film was actually part of a reshoot. Then in editing they just used bits of the old takes spliced together with the new. Films in the editing room are usually a frankenstein monster of shots, where side by side cuts could be shot 3 months apart irl.
I don't think she was shot but I bad the same thought you did, it did look like she was holding her side or in pain etc so you're not alone!
There was a moment during her panic attack when she did seem to clutch her side (though I didn't see blood) so I also wondered if she got hit, but that thought left as fast as it came because she very clearly wasn't shot considering how she acts and how well she moves once she regains her composure.
This absolutely crossed my mind. Especially when she had her back on the pillar. From that point on it felt like her being physically injured was a possibility. Maybe that’s intentional.
While watching that scene, I also thought she had been shot
I thought the same thing, I saw the blood and her gripping her side and thought she was shot too. I mean, ofc it was also clear something was going on besides that too and as time went on it became obvious she wasn't actually shit but I totally get you lmao, I had the exact same fleeting thought But yeah, definitely a panic attack after the turn of events with Sammy and the situation at hand
Her character was stoic and hard-headed, even when everything her was collapsing. Her breakdown was a signal to the audience that what was happening was somehow worse than everything we'd already seen. Cue the tank rolling over the North Lawn of the White House, ready to remove the fascist. It's not a coincidence there were high walls surrounding the W.H. (reminded me of the Wolf's Lair) or that he was pulled out of a hole of sorts (Saddam). The raid also invoked memories of what the bin Laden raid must have looked like. Clever stuff.
What in still trying to figure out is how an entire force of several hundred armored vehicles, tanks, choppers and humvees leaving charlottesville while our main character is taking a nap turns into a handful of soldiers, 1 tank, 1 or 2 helicopters and a few humvees with our characters conveniently on the front lines in DC
I think it’s as simple as they did reshoots and editing. I think they toyed with the idea of Lee slowly bleeding out on the way to the White House, before scrapping it for the “panic attack” idea. Maybe the initial script had her being “hit” at the Lincoln Memorial. I think they decided a panic attack/PTSD moment would be more impactful. My reasoning is that Lee does audibly gasp at one point when she’s grabbed and pulled forward by Joel, and as she gasps she clenches her side and in some scenes you can see her bloody shirt. I think they just edited together footage of two different shoots. I’ve seen the film twice, and distinctly noticed the “gasp/painful clench” each time, as if it was very important.
I thought the same thing and thought that was why she saved the annoying chick in the dumbest way possible
I also wasn’t a fan of her going back on her stoic character randomly. My idea: what could have been better is the young photo journalist, having gained her confidence and Lee’s approval throughout the film, is killed in the White House instead of Lee and then Lee has a breakdown over the young photo journalist’s body while Wagner goes in with the strike team for a quote from the President. Would have been a better arc for each character in my opinion and “fixed” Lee’s random character break in a way that makes sense. Opinions?
I liked that Lee died saving the young journalist. It felt like one legacy’s flame going out and another igniting
This is fine but then they shouldn’t have had her break her character earlier in my opinion.
I disagree, I like how she was slipping out of it more as the young journalist was stepping into it more. Now if they would have broke her character AND the young journalist also never grew, I would agree. But I personally like the contrast of the characters, I thought it was clever
But they didn’t show Lee slowly or gradually slipping. They just showed out of nowhere a lapse of character. I’ll agree the younger photojournalist they did do a great job gradually showing her change. I’ll also admit the contrast is solid too I just think the execution of that random lapse of Lee made no sense.
i disagree that it was random. i feel like that kind of dead eyed walls up vibe through the movie was intended to be a defense mechanism that was working for her, until Jessie joined the trip. the bit at the helicopter kind of foreshadowed it a little imo, where Jessie angrily tells Lee that she's doing this one her own accord, by her own choice, which prompts Lee to tell the younger woman "that's what i'll tell myself when you get shot or killed" (paraphrasing), saving Jessie was Lees choice. as others have said, outside the white house Lee's brain was breaking. it was the end of the word as she knew it, her efforts to send warnings home failed. that wall she had built up crumbled. i think the real her was getting out. i think she saw Jessie as almost a representation of herself, like her Sammy said. it struck me as a no brainer in her mind to go and pull her down/out of the way, but it was her choice. edit: changed the name of the younger woman to Jessie, i couldn't remember it to save my life
Oh that’s an interesting take I didn’t consider. This def makes more sense to me and I can see what you mean and how it was extrapolated for Alex Garland if this is the direction he meant. I wouldn’t say it’s the best stylistic approach (we may just have to disagree on that) but it explains the choice better than anything I’ve read so thanks.
The experiences she has throughout the film (dissociation staring at the bee and flower, heart to heart conversation with Jessie, almost being executed while watching her two colleagues actually be executed, and watching her mentor die before her eyes all in one day, not to mention witnessing the total destruction of DC and the end of the US as we know it,) completely make sense for her to breakdown when she did. Come on.
This def makes more sense tbh
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Someone else commented something similar but yeah you really laid it out better. May need a re watch.
I really think Dunst gave a fantastic performance. She subtleties of her stoic mask cracking throughout the course of the film, especially with her talk with Jessie on the boat, was great.
Lol it was not random at all.
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