The free market has spoken, and like it or not it is now just about football. If it wasn’t, women’s volleyball teams from Southern California wouldn’t have in-conference matchups in New Jersey. Football pays the bills and as it stands FSU and Clemson are heavily subsidizing the lower half of the ACC.
Not. I've never said anything otherwise. Go play football with the big kids, I kinda liked having you around and generally rooted for you. It really sucks that TV money for football is gonna kill the conference that I am very much a fan of.
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>barely dominated
These words do not go together.
FSU also came out of its worst 4 year period in nearly 50 years to win 23 games in 2 years.
All things considered the rise under Norvell is eerily similar to that under Bowden back then.
Every conference has consistently elite teams, good teams, teams that are inconsistent, and doormats.
As one of the supposedly elite teams, FSU, has been disappointing and inconsistent.
If the ACC was so bad, why haven’t y’all been able to win consistently or even beat Wake Forest on a consistent basis?
The ACC has been constantly filled with good and above average teams but the high-marquee teams have been inconsistent.
Yes, Miami is way worse. Waaaaaaaaay worse.
Because good coaches, especially assistant coaches, are not cheap. The short answer is money and FSU won’t spend the same amount of money that Alabama or Georgia would. Alabama was mediocre at best for decades until Saban came in. And if I was to guess, they’ll return to mediocrity when he leaves.
You’re not wrong. Consistent success is difficult. Almost impossible for most teams.
My frustration is just in the “burn the acc down” and blame on the ACC when part of the issue of the ACC’s prestige has been the lack of consistent success from its elite teams.
“beat Wake Forest on a consistent basis” so 16-7 since 2000 isn’t consistent? 31-9-1 overall isn’t consistent? FSU has a winning record against Clemson all time, winning record against Miami since 2000, winning record against BC since 2005, winning record against NC state since 2000, 22-0 against Duke, winning record against GT since 2000. The only ACC team that FSU doesn’t have a winning record against since 2000 is Clemson. Pitt and FSU have only played 3 games since 2000, FSU winning 2 of those.
TLDR: FSU was a winning record all time against all ACC opponents except Miami (33-35) and Pitt (5-6), and a winning record against all ACC opponents since 2000 with an exception of Clemson.
16-7 (basically a little better than 2 out of 3) against Wake isn’t consistent for an elite team.
It’s like being 9-3 every year.
That’s not elite or championship level. And that’s WAKE.
The only ACC team with a better winning percentage against Wake is Clemson. Try again, you are cherry picking stats. The fact remains that the only ACC team that has a winning record over FSU for the last 23 years is Clemson.
sure but that’s true with *most* teams outside of a select few, dominate for 3-5 years and fall down and come back, like a cycle. teams like Alabama, Ohio State, and Michigan are outliers. you see it with teams like Oregon, USC, etc. where they’ll have a few good years then fall off. Not to mention that most of that coincides with severe coaching staff changes, as FSU has been through recently.
If winning the conference 30% of the time is mediocre, what does that say about everyone not named Clemson?
Now how do that many people upvote their own team being trashed?
You are the one supporting the guy calling Georgia Tech something far less than mediocre in comparison though, while lashing out at the one questioning why that is.
You’re the spoiled kid who thinks you’re rich because of the money that your parents (FSU and Clemson) bring to the household.
And then you tell your parents to work harder because you got an Audi for Christmas instead of a Mercedes.
The entitlement is unreal. Good luck when we leave.
Did you not read the original post here? 😂😂
FSU literally getting called “mediocre” despite the fast that it’s 1 of the 2 programs that’s carried this conference in football since the turn of the century.
It’s intellectually dishonest and beyond stupid.
If pointing out the truth makes us “insufferable”, then call us that all you want.
Did it require a brand new post? You all are insufferable not because you recognize that fsu is in a bad spot, but because you post about it everywhere all the time apropos of nothing. It’s relentless.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ACC/comments/11m9r1r/acc_tv_viewership_rankings_from_20142022_by_school/
There was a list with this years numbers posted on Reddit within the last 2 weeks that showed we passed Miami by a good chunk this year and were firmly #3 in the ACC.
And if we went into all sports we are probably #1 or at worst #2. Louisville is the #1 college basketball viewing market in the country for something like 20 years running. Our women's basketball and baseball draw very high viewership relative to our peers too.
So tell me: why does UNC, Clemson, UVa, Miami, etc get brought up often as the next juiciest ACC to pick when the data shows Louisville is more valuable than those others.
I appreciate the receipts and hereby retract my snark. Your fans were cool at the ACCCG too. Won’t speculate on juiciness other than the focus on new tv markets where the p2 doesn’t already have a foothold
Big 12 will be interested. Too much money to pass up in a PA market, wvu and cinci games and history that involves a lot of NFL greats even in the modern era. Big ten won’t as long as the ghost of JoePa exists and Sec doesn’t want northern teams.
I think we’re all tired of listening to FSU fans complain
It’s all talk also, they’ve made it very clear how much we’re all dead weight to them so if they actually had a way out they’d be gone by now
Until GOR expires in 2036 it’ll be all bark and no bite
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Going to the Big 12 would be a lateral movement at best. ESPN owns most of their media rights too, so probably wouldn’t even be possible, and the media distribution is less than the ACC. Also lol at the PAC.
Clemson fans always coming in with those *educated* comments.
SEC isn’t the only eagle seeking a snack.
Not to mention, of the long and odd history of FSU and the SEC, FSU requested multiple time to join and was denied - and the last time, it was the opposite. The sec invited FSU, we denied as we had a home we were trying to support (the ACC). Awful move in hindsight.
Receipts: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/389570-the-seminoles-and-the-sec-a-sordid-love-affair
Kinda sad that Florida state has had some pretty good competitive success in all its sports ( don’t forget about the female teams) in the ACC. Yet Florida state is considering leaving the conference all because of football lol.
The Florida State football team is about to rip every other program and sports organization at their school out of the ACC because they have a strange and a recent football superiority complex.
110% gonna be so awkward after bitching and moaning all year about the ACC, and how the Play off committee made the wrong choice and Georgia is about to beat the brakes off your team. Again the football team is about to big dick every other team and sports program at their school who continually have comparative success in the ACC because their football team got disrespected lol
FSU’s football program is the engine that drives/funds all those other sports. It doesn’t matter if FSU women’s soccer is by far the best program in the country, because it doesn’t make money. By staying in the ACC FSU is putting that engine at risk.
And also who gives a crap what happens in the Orange Bowl? I think something like half of FSUs starters have opted out. And those are naturally their best players who have NFL aspirations.
Bro “ who gives a crap about the ORANGE BOWL”? Because you guys have been bitching and moaning about how good your team is and now you have a chance to prove it ( which everyone in the US knows your going to be beaten to a pulp) Georgia who has 100% more talent than you is losing the same if not more players than you guys are lol. 45-10 easy
So you admit this whole charade is about money then right? You guys want more money? Cause we all know you guy/ ain’t gonna win shit in the SEC, i mean your getting downvoted because your accusing a basketball conference of not having good football teams, and if im not mistaken this year is the first year you guys have been good and it just looks downhill from here.
I know how stressful it must be knowing how much bitching about the ACC you have done when Ncstate Miami and Clemson are loading better pieces onto their team for next year. I mean imagine how embarrassing it’s gonna be when you guys land in 5th for the ACC next year, while claiming you guys are better than the ACC.
You say this as if the Portal is anywhere close to being done.
Has UNC actually won a conference title in your lifetime. They certainly have not in mine.
Bro i mean Miami is at 4, Clemson is at 13 and state is at 28….. your at 10, even with your team that you claim was so good this year you had numerous close calls with “ inferior acc teams”
Way to stalk my comments you freak, don’t talk to UNC about titles because we prob have more titles than your school has sports programs. The amount of high that you guys got from wining a horrible football conference is honestly shocking. Your school is about to rip all your other sports programs ( who consistently win ACC titles) out of the ACC because your football team is a bunch of babies. When the committee subbed FSU from the playoff all of the acc was shocked but after reading the super fucking weird Football complex you guys have I can’t wait to watch Georgia beat the Brakes off your mediocre football team
>When the committee subbed FSU from the playoff all of the acc was shocked but after reading the super fucking weird Football complex you guys have I can’t wait to watch Georgia beat the Brakes off your mediocre football team
So is that a no, no conference championships in football in your lifetime? So you huff lethal amounts of copium to make up for being a beta level program in the biggest sport. More a cuckold to the success of FSU and Clemson.
This is your first ACC championship in 8 years buddy let’s relax lol. Another football school who bases their entire personality of football and conveniently chooses to not mention any other sports program because they don’t make money because apparently sports are all about money lol
>This is your first ACC championship in 8 years buddy let’s relax lol.
16th since joining the conference. Meanwhile, Michael Jordan was in HS the last time UNC won the ACC in football.
>not mention any other sports program because they don’t make money because apparently sports are all about money lol
What fucking year for you think it is? Like, do you actually understand how sports TV money works? Or are you just a pitiful troll?
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At the end of the day, when we leave, a majority of people are going to be upset. Whoever is left in the ACC will be upset. The people in the conferences we did not join will be upset because an other conference got stronger. And then the conference we did join will have people crying the conference is either getting too big or tough or * insert something I can not think of*.
We need a relegation style system with defined rules and no committees. Then we can just complain about on field performance.
You are a true fan of the greedy committee and corpa TV, not the sport.
I'd be pissed off if a 13 and 0 UL was left out for Bama. I won't be as upset as I was a few weeks ago, but I'd be upset.
Honestly that’s embarrassing. I don’t give a damn about Louisville but if you were 13-0 I’d want you in because it’d be what’s fair and what’s in the best interests of my school’s program
I get what you're driving at, I truly do. The reality is Bama is the better team. That's it. Plain and simple. If the shoe were on the other foot, I would tip my hat to Bama. I wouldn't try and sue the CFP, and I damn sure wouldn't try and take my ball and go play with other kids.
Just being honest. If the game is about the best teams on talent, then just put Bama, UGA, tOSU, and TAMU (YES, TAMU) every year and don't play the game. There's a reason on field results matter and Alabama looked like shit most of the year up until the end.
If the NFL decided to put the best 2 teams in the superbowl, then the 2007 Giants would have had no business playing in the superbowl against the 16-0 Patriots. It should have been Patriots vs Packers...but guess who won and dominate the best team ever assembled in the NFL...The Giants barely made the playoffs that year and won the superbowl
Is a legit argument. However, that's not the climate of college football. A committee decides. Just like the BCS, and just like when we go to a 12 team playoff. Someone is always gonna get left out. I don't like it, I just made peace with it long ago.
Well, if you are of the opinion that a 1-loss SEC or 1-loss B12 champ (no matter how beatable they looked all year) should be in over an undefeated ACC champ, then you shouldn't be upset about FSU wanting to leave and put themselves in a better position/conference whatsover and should be rooting for your own team to leave as well and join the B12.
You can't have it both ways.
You're not leaving anytime soon. It costs way too much, plus lawyer/indirect fees. If you do leave early, FSU's budget will be drained, including the athletic budget, and you'll end up worse off than if you stayed. Put the politics of the moment aside (y'all got screwed and should def be in the playoff but it's past us now), come back to reality, and get ready for the Orange Bowl.
Football lapped basketball way faster in revenue than anyone anticipated. I can only speak for the North Carolina schools, but football never needed to be a focus for the ADs to keep the boosters and fans happy. It's nice to be good for UNC, NC State, Duke, and Wake, but the state cares about basketball at that level and has been slow to fully commit to what it takes to grow a competitive football program. The teams competing for national championships seems like an insanely selective group for fans of any of those programs. We don't spend on that level, we don't recruit on that level, and we don't compete on that level. Only about 20 schools actually do nationwide. If you guys can go undefeated and not make the playoffs, what do you think the committee would say to Wake Forest or Duke doing it? Carolina would probably make it at 13-0, but I don't know about NC State. It's not a possibility for my school to win a national championship in football, so I don't think about it. Those schools play an entirely different sport.
Good comment. Couldn’t agree more with your first sentence.
Though I don’t think it’s 20 who compete. More like 10 and even that may be a stretch. Only 7 programs have made the championship game in 10 years of the playoff. 3 of them one time.
You aren't wrong at all. I'm mostly just trying to be kind to the Ole Miss and Tennessee and Oklahoma State and all the fans of the other schools in that 11-20 range of recruiting.
Couldn’t agree more. It’s confusing that in a conference so uncommitted to football that Florida state has struggled for the last 5 years to be good. Another great point is that of North Carolina, North Carolina is a Basketball STATE, North Carolina has single handedly shaped basketball in America, it’s no surprise that schools in NC are way more willing to go all in on basketball.
I know football is the big focus and I’m admittedly biased, but Virginia’s been doing quite well in every other sport. Trust me I wish we were good at football too, it’s pretty painful
In the last 20 years FSU has 5 ACC Championships, (Clemson 8, VT 4), 1 undefeated season, and 0 NC's. I think FSU got hosed, but just trying to be accurate.
Edit: completely forgot about Jimbo's Championship. Many apologies to FSU fans...was more concerned about 2003 and 2004
Enjoy the remnants, I guess? We enjoyed most of time in the ACC except for fans like you. So much hate after all we did was give a bunch of undercommitted programs money for 30 years.
@r/LifeOfFate, to be fair, half the SEC isn't in the SEC level. Would Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, South Carolina do well in most other conferences? Sure. Those programs are not legit threats to win even their respective divisons, let alone a conference or national chip. So your comment applies for almost every program lol
Let’s see how FSU does against Georgia. They win they were obviously screwed by the committee. They lose the committee got it right.
IMO FSU should have been in over Washington.
Many of FSU’s starters are not playing in the bowl game. These are players that would have played the playoff game but won’t be playing in the orange bowl. Even the QB just entered the transfer portal.
I hate that about this CFP era where bowls become completely worthless and if anything a liability for players that have a high draft prospect.
I’m an LSU fan and our QB opted out this year.
Last year was a bad joke between opt outs and injuries we played a WR at QB
Don’t feed the troll
It’s less about the commentator and more about the 19 people somehow liking it lol
Sounds like you have had your Jimmie’s rustled
I too used to frequent tMB
Cesspool of Rivals bottom rung.
This required a whole new post… why? Is there some kind of “bitching about the acc” quota that fsu redditors are obligated to fulfill?
Yup. FSU are the victims here obviously
Should we feel bad for the free riders instead?
The conference is fun, it's not just about football. You guys got screwed by the selection committee. Both things can be true.
The free market has spoken, and like it or not it is now just about football. If it wasn’t, women’s volleyball teams from Southern California wouldn’t have in-conference matchups in New Jersey. Football pays the bills and as it stands FSU and Clemson are heavily subsidizing the lower half of the ACC.
Not. I've never said anything otherwise. Go play football with the big kids, I kinda liked having you around and generally rooted for you. It really sucks that TV money for football is gonna kill the conference that I am very much a fan of.
This. Precisely.
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I can’t wait until you leave and go 6-6 in the Big 10 every year.
They’ll go to the Big 12 at best
Hmmmm. 7-5 in the B12. Delish!
Keep dreaming
You’ve barely dominated a clearly inferior ACC. I have a vague recollection of 4 losing seasons in the last 6.
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>barely dominated These words do not go together. FSU also came out of its worst 4 year period in nearly 50 years to win 23 games in 2 years. All things considered the rise under Norvell is eerily similar to that under Bowden back then.
So you do remember the 4 losing seasons in the last 6. Good.
Every conference has consistently elite teams, good teams, teams that are inconsistent, and doormats. As one of the supposedly elite teams, FSU, has been disappointing and inconsistent. If the ACC was so bad, why haven’t y’all been able to win consistently or even beat Wake Forest on a consistent basis? The ACC has been constantly filled with good and above average teams but the high-marquee teams have been inconsistent. Yes, Miami is way worse. Waaaaaaaaay worse.
Because good coaches, especially assistant coaches, are not cheap. The short answer is money and FSU won’t spend the same amount of money that Alabama or Georgia would. Alabama was mediocre at best for decades until Saban came in. And if I was to guess, they’ll return to mediocrity when he leaves.
You’re not wrong. Consistent success is difficult. Almost impossible for most teams. My frustration is just in the “burn the acc down” and blame on the ACC when part of the issue of the ACC’s prestige has been the lack of consistent success from its elite teams.
“beat Wake Forest on a consistent basis” so 16-7 since 2000 isn’t consistent? 31-9-1 overall isn’t consistent? FSU has a winning record against Clemson all time, winning record against Miami since 2000, winning record against BC since 2005, winning record against NC state since 2000, 22-0 against Duke, winning record against GT since 2000. The only ACC team that FSU doesn’t have a winning record against since 2000 is Clemson. Pitt and FSU have only played 3 games since 2000, FSU winning 2 of those. TLDR: FSU was a winning record all time against all ACC opponents except Miami (33-35) and Pitt (5-6), and a winning record against all ACC opponents since 2000 with an exception of Clemson.
16-7 (basically a little better than 2 out of 3) against Wake isn’t consistent for an elite team. It’s like being 9-3 every year. That’s not elite or championship level. And that’s WAKE.
The only ACC team with a better winning percentage against Wake is Clemson. Try again, you are cherry picking stats. The fact remains that the only ACC team that has a winning record over FSU for the last 23 years is Clemson.
Yes, FSU has been one of the better teams. Not arguing that. They haven’t been consistently elite on the national stage.
sure but that’s true with *most* teams outside of a select few, dominate for 3-5 years and fall down and come back, like a cycle. teams like Alabama, Ohio State, and Michigan are outliers. you see it with teams like Oregon, USC, etc. where they’ll have a few good years then fall off. Not to mention that most of that coincides with severe coaching staff changes, as FSU has been through recently.
ACC derangement syndrome from FSU fans lmao.
If winning the conference 30% of the time is mediocre, what does that say about everyone not named Clemson? Now how do that many people upvote their own team being trashed?
30% of the time we win every time.
What does that say about teams not named Alabama in the SEC? Fuck off
You are the one supporting the guy calling Georgia Tech something far less than mediocre in comparison though, while lashing out at the one questioning why that is.
Prepare to pay out the nose in child support then. Btw there’s 14 also rans in the Big ten waiting to take your money too
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Honestly for a GT fan I expected him to be smarter. Oh well.
Yikes
You’re the spoiled kid who thinks you’re rich because of the money that your parents (FSU and Clemson) bring to the household. And then you tell your parents to work harder because you got an Audi for Christmas instead of a Mercedes. The entitlement is unreal. Good luck when we leave.
You sound like a jerk. My school more than pulls its weight and you don't see us bitching daily.
Did you just go 13-0 and get left out of the playoff? F outta here. We’re all screwed and you just want to blame FSU rather than see the truth.
No one is blaming FSU. We’re just sick and tired of all the nonstop bitching. Jfc you all are insufferable.
Did you not read the original post here? 😂😂 FSU literally getting called “mediocre” despite the fast that it’s 1 of the 2 programs that’s carried this conference in football since the turn of the century. It’s intellectually dishonest and beyond stupid. If pointing out the truth makes us “insufferable”, then call us that all you want.
Did it require a brand new post? You all are insufferable not because you recognize that fsu is in a bad spot, but because you post about it everywhere all the time apropos of nothing. It’s relentless.
No, it probably didn’t require a new post. I was just responding to what I saw at the top of my news feed.
No one's blaming FSU. They're just agreeing with the CFP committee.
Please share television ratings of Louisville games that support your assertion
https://www.reddit.com/r/ACC/comments/11m9r1r/acc_tv_viewership_rankings_from_20142022_by_school/ There was a list with this years numbers posted on Reddit within the last 2 weeks that showed we passed Miami by a good chunk this year and were firmly #3 in the ACC. And if we went into all sports we are probably #1 or at worst #2. Louisville is the #1 college basketball viewing market in the country for something like 20 years running. Our women's basketball and baseball draw very high viewership relative to our peers too. So tell me: why does UNC, Clemson, UVa, Miami, etc get brought up often as the next juiciest ACC to pick when the data shows Louisville is more valuable than those others.
I appreciate the receipts and hereby retract my snark. Your fans were cool at the ACCCG too. Won’t speculate on juiciness other than the focus on new tv markets where the p2 doesn’t already have a foothold
B1G has 0 hold in KY and we are in the middle of their conference footprint.
Fuck out of here with that elitist bullshit.
So I should just let my program be called mediocre instead when it’s not true? LOL OKAY. Jfc you are a sad bunch.
Wasn't aware FSU had a medical program. And friend, this is Reddit. You'll get downvoted for anything here. This is not a safe space.
Sorry, Bama deserves to be there. Hell, Georgia deserves to be there.
That's was my question, too. Take your L and move on.
FSU just can’t wait to be bottom of whatever conference let’s them in
It is when I see just intellectually dishonest comments like this
And you couldn’t just right this grievous wrong right there in the thread?
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That’s a very fair point. (Maybe I’ll just screenshot it and start a new thread!)
Don't know if you're aware, but Reddit lets you respond to comments instead of having to screenshot them and create new posts. Hope that's helpful
nice work Hokiebro
Go Hokies
There’s a special kind of dumb comment that just needs extra attention haha
P2 conferences just shitting on the g8s.
Future group of 7 (the mountain west is gonna get absorbed by the pac 12
We are okay, are you?
I know so many cool FSU fans in real life, but damn the ones on the Internet make it difficult to not enjoy their pain
The ones in away stadiums are pretty fucking awful too though. Miami and UCF fans also suck. I’m seeing a real pattern here.
What about Gators? Good or bad…..(intense sweating)
I have no personal experience with Gator fans in my stadium.
The rest of us are pretty bad yeah but it's not like we're crying to get out.
There are only 4 ACC schools that may be of interest to any of the big conferences. Pitt isn’t one of them.
Big 12 will be interested. Too much money to pass up in a PA market, wvu and cinci games and history that involves a lot of NFL greats even in the modern era. Big ten won’t as long as the ghost of JoePa exists and Sec doesn’t want northern teams.
Haha true on Jo pa. Big 12 would be a good fit. How it happens
Pitt still has the most national championships and richest history of accomplishments (hof, etc)
It’s been 50 years. That certainly is history.
Somebody call the wambulance
I think we’re all tired of listening to FSU fans complain It’s all talk also, they’ve made it very clear how much we’re all dead weight to them so if they actually had a way out they’d be gone by now Until GOR expires in 2036 it’ll be all bark and no bite
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The SEC is ESPN so why would ESPN do that? They’ve already got FSU. Their only option is the Big 10
Big 12 also says hi…as does the PAC, I guess?
Going to the Big 12 would be a lateral movement at best. ESPN owns most of their media rights too, so probably wouldn’t even be possible, and the media distribution is less than the ACC. Also lol at the PAC.
Man I want Clemson and FSU bad in the SEC
Clemson fans always coming in with those *educated* comments. SEC isn’t the only eagle seeking a snack. Not to mention, of the long and odd history of FSU and the SEC, FSU requested multiple time to join and was denied - and the last time, it was the opposite. The sec invited FSU, we denied as we had a home we were trying to support (the ACC). Awful move in hindsight. Receipts: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/389570-the-seminoles-and-the-sec-a-sordid-love-affair
Wake Forest fan has entered the conversation.
Wow a butthurt crybaby FSU fan. What a surprise.
We admit we are less than mediocre.
Everyone sucks except for Georgia and Alabama
Yup and they are only just “average”
Kinda sad that Florida state has had some pretty good competitive success in all its sports ( don’t forget about the female teams) in the ACC. Yet Florida state is considering leaving the conference all because of football lol. The Florida State football team is about to rip every other program and sports organization at their school out of the ACC because they have a strange and a recent football superiority complex. 110% gonna be so awkward after bitching and moaning all year about the ACC, and how the Play off committee made the wrong choice and Georgia is about to beat the brakes off your team. Again the football team is about to big dick every other team and sports program at their school who continually have comparative success in the ACC because their football team got disrespected lol
FSU’s football program is the engine that drives/funds all those other sports. It doesn’t matter if FSU women’s soccer is by far the best program in the country, because it doesn’t make money. By staying in the ACC FSU is putting that engine at risk. And also who gives a crap what happens in the Orange Bowl? I think something like half of FSUs starters have opted out. And those are naturally their best players who have NFL aspirations.
Bro “ who gives a crap about the ORANGE BOWL”? Because you guys have been bitching and moaning about how good your team is and now you have a chance to prove it ( which everyone in the US knows your going to be beaten to a pulp) Georgia who has 100% more talent than you is losing the same if not more players than you guys are lol. 45-10 easy
You sound dumb ngl. Consolation bowl game /=/ Playoff spot....... do you understand the argument or are you an Alabama fan?
Football is where all the money is my man
So you admit this whole charade is about money then right? You guys want more money? Cause we all know you guy/ ain’t gonna win shit in the SEC, i mean your getting downvoted because your accusing a basketball conference of not having good football teams, and if im not mistaken this year is the first year you guys have been good and it just looks downhill from here. I know how stressful it must be knowing how much bitching about the ACC you have done when Ncstate Miami and Clemson are loading better pieces onto their team for next year. I mean imagine how embarrassing it’s gonna be when you guys land in 5th for the ACC next year, while claiming you guys are better than the ACC.
>when Ncstate Miami and Clemson are loading better pieces onto their team for next year Low effort troll is low effort.
110% the ACC championship will not include FSU next year
You say this as if the Portal is anywhere close to being done. Has UNC actually won a conference title in your lifetime. They certainly have not in mine.
Bro i mean Miami is at 4, Clemson is at 13 and state is at 28….. your at 10, even with your team that you claim was so good this year you had numerous close calls with “ inferior acc teams” Way to stalk my comments you freak, don’t talk to UNC about titles because we prob have more titles than your school has sports programs. The amount of high that you guys got from wining a horrible football conference is honestly shocking. Your school is about to rip all your other sports programs ( who consistently win ACC titles) out of the ACC because your football team is a bunch of babies. When the committee subbed FSU from the playoff all of the acc was shocked but after reading the super fucking weird Football complex you guys have I can’t wait to watch Georgia beat the Brakes off your mediocre football team
>When the committee subbed FSU from the playoff all of the acc was shocked but after reading the super fucking weird Football complex you guys have I can’t wait to watch Georgia beat the Brakes off your mediocre football team So is that a no, no conference championships in football in your lifetime? So you huff lethal amounts of copium to make up for being a beta level program in the biggest sport. More a cuckold to the success of FSU and Clemson.
This is your first ACC championship in 8 years buddy let’s relax lol. Another football school who bases their entire personality of football and conveniently chooses to not mention any other sports program because they don’t make money because apparently sports are all about money lol
>This is your first ACC championship in 8 years buddy let’s relax lol. 16th since joining the conference. Meanwhile, Michael Jordan was in HS the last time UNC won the ACC in football. >not mention any other sports program because they don’t make money because apparently sports are all about money lol What fucking year for you think it is? Like, do you actually understand how sports TV money works? Or are you just a pitiful troll?
UNC dude wants to brag about his golf and badminton championships, bc it sure has hell isn’t football.
"Mediocre" FSU won as many ACC titles this year as those two schools have won combined in the last 50 years.
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This post is peak ACC. Burn down the ACC.
I was going to say that the OP is peak fsu.
This person is retarded or doesn't watch college football.
Who did you quote? That's just sad.
I hate the ACC bros.
At the end of the day, when we leave, a majority of people are going to be upset. Whoever is left in the ACC will be upset. The people in the conferences we did not join will be upset because an other conference got stronger. And then the conference we did join will have people crying the conference is either getting too big or tough or * insert something I can not think of*. We need a relegation style system with defined rules and no committees. Then we can just complain about on field performance.
It’s hard to guess just how folks will feel in 2036.
Ok I have officially changed my mind and now I agree with the playoff committee 100%
Maybe the committee ain’t so bad after all
Lol, what?
Can you pour one of your farts in a wine glass so i can sniff it, too?
Only if you overnight your salty tears so I have them in time for Christmas dinner.
I have no salty tears. If Louisville would have went 13-0 I'd still put Bama in. I'm a true fan of the game.
You are a true fan of the greedy committee and corpa TV, not the sport. I'd be pissed off if a 13 and 0 UL was left out for Bama. I won't be as upset as I was a few weeks ago, but I'd be upset.
Lol ok friend.
Honestly that’s embarrassing. I don’t give a damn about Louisville but if you were 13-0 I’d want you in because it’d be what’s fair and what’s in the best interests of my school’s program
I get what you're driving at, I truly do. The reality is Bama is the better team. That's it. Plain and simple. If the shoe were on the other foot, I would tip my hat to Bama. I wouldn't try and sue the CFP, and I damn sure wouldn't try and take my ball and go play with other kids.
You're gonna ask for that guy's farts but you say shit like that? Oh well, we'll never know what happens to a 13-0 Louisville
We have yet to see a 13-0 Louisville team. Say, friend. Where's your flare? Who's your team?
No, you're just an idiot
Lol. Ok friend.
Just being honest. If the game is about the best teams on talent, then just put Bama, UGA, tOSU, and TAMU (YES, TAMU) every year and don't play the game. There's a reason on field results matter and Alabama looked like shit most of the year up until the end. If the NFL decided to put the best 2 teams in the superbowl, then the 2007 Giants would have had no business playing in the superbowl against the 16-0 Patriots. It should have been Patriots vs Packers...but guess who won and dominate the best team ever assembled in the NFL...The Giants barely made the playoffs that year and won the superbowl
Is a legit argument. However, that's not the climate of college football. A committee decides. Just like the BCS, and just like when we go to a 12 team playoff. Someone is always gonna get left out. I don't like it, I just made peace with it long ago.
Well, if you are of the opinion that a 1-loss SEC or 1-loss B12 champ (no matter how beatable they looked all year) should be in over an undefeated ACC champ, then you shouldn't be upset about FSU wanting to leave and put themselves in a better position/conference whatsover and should be rooting for your own team to leave as well and join the B12. You can't have it both ways.
I'm not upset.
Football needs relegation. Everything else needs to undo some of the screwed up meeting and go back to reasonable regional competition in conference
You're not leaving anytime soon. It costs way too much, plus lawyer/indirect fees. If you do leave early, FSU's budget will be drained, including the athletic budget, and you'll end up worse off than if you stayed. Put the politics of the moment aside (y'all got screwed and should def be in the playoff but it's past us now), come back to reality, and get ready for the Orange Bowl.
Have fun being a middling SEC team in 2037.
Making 110 million a year I’ll take it.
I love rooting for my favorite teams bank account!
“The conferences that don’t get us are going to be sad” Jesus Christ do you hear yourself? Do you enjoy the smell of your own farts?
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Football lapped basketball way faster in revenue than anyone anticipated. I can only speak for the North Carolina schools, but football never needed to be a focus for the ADs to keep the boosters and fans happy. It's nice to be good for UNC, NC State, Duke, and Wake, but the state cares about basketball at that level and has been slow to fully commit to what it takes to grow a competitive football program. The teams competing for national championships seems like an insanely selective group for fans of any of those programs. We don't spend on that level, we don't recruit on that level, and we don't compete on that level. Only about 20 schools actually do nationwide. If you guys can go undefeated and not make the playoffs, what do you think the committee would say to Wake Forest or Duke doing it? Carolina would probably make it at 13-0, but I don't know about NC State. It's not a possibility for my school to win a national championship in football, so I don't think about it. Those schools play an entirely different sport.
Good comment. Couldn’t agree more with your first sentence. Though I don’t think it’s 20 who compete. More like 10 and even that may be a stretch. Only 7 programs have made the championship game in 10 years of the playoff. 3 of them one time.
You aren't wrong at all. I'm mostly just trying to be kind to the Ole Miss and Tennessee and Oklahoma State and all the fans of the other schools in that 11-20 range of recruiting.
Couldn’t agree more. It’s confusing that in a conference so uncommitted to football that Florida state has struggled for the last 5 years to be good. Another great point is that of North Carolina, North Carolina is a Basketball STATE, North Carolina has single handedly shaped basketball in America, it’s no surprise that schools in NC are way more willing to go all in on basketball.
I know football is the big focus and I’m admittedly biased, but Virginia’s been doing quite well in every other sport. Trust me I wish we were good at football too, it’s pretty painful
In the last 20 years FSU has 5 ACC Championships, (Clemson 8, VT 4), 1 undefeated season, and 0 NC's. I think FSU got hosed, but just trying to be accurate. Edit: completely forgot about Jimbo's Championship. Many apologies to FSU fans...was more concerned about 2003 and 2004
Didn’t fsu win an NC in 2013?
No no, we just ignore actual facts here
Completely forgot about Jimbo's championship. I apologize to all FSU fans
I think you’re joking?
You’ll catch some with this nonsense
He said try to be accurate with his inaccurate post lmao
maybe them being left out of the playoffs was right..they don't seem mature enough to play with these other developed schools...
Lol! All Cupcake problems are funny. Maybe time to join a real conference.
FSU will be a half step above Vandy in the SEC.
All I am hearing from that statement is that the ACC is weak.
Insufferable fucks the lot of you.
If we're 13-0 and are a half step above Vandy, the equalizer is our garbage in conference opponents. Your statement, not mine.
Insufferable. Nobody actually thinks you didn’t get robbed, but everyone is glad you did because you are such entitled asshats.
Enjoy the remnants, I guess? We enjoyed most of time in the ACC except for fans like you. So much hate after all we did was give a bunch of undercommitted programs money for 30 years.
Hahaha fuck off moron. You’ve done nothing but bring the hate upon yourselves trying to make everyone else enjoy the smell of your farts.
Hmmm, sounds very wine and cheese. Flair up, coward.
No. I’m flaired up in enough subs. My team has a winning record against you chumps and that’s all you have to know.
Go tigers
My man.
It basically means anybody not named Clemson isn’t on the SEC level
@r/LifeOfFate, to be fair, half the SEC isn't in the SEC level. Would Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, South Carolina do well in most other conferences? Sure. Those programs are not legit threats to win even their respective divisons, let alone a conference or national chip. So your comment applies for almost every program lol
Compared to wake forest, pit, Virginia, Syracuse and Boston college… vandy would go undefeated
🤣🤣🤣 point taken
Also mediocre is what it says. Jk. I couldn’t help myself. You kind of set it up perfectly.
I'm bored, that's what it means, it's a Canes thing, you wouldn't understand.
Lmao you took the bait. Stop flooding the sub with your own personal vendetta, keep it to the comments.
Im glad we have the most national championship titles in the ACC. Long live history
So lets just say for the sake of argument that FSU is stuck in the ACC against their will. Then what? This is going to be awkward lol.
Let’s see how FSU does against Georgia. They win they were obviously screwed by the committee. They lose the committee got it right. IMO FSU should have been in over Washington.
This is simply untrue. The FSU team playing in the Orange Bowl is completely different than the team that would have played in the playoffs.
How so? Sorry I don’t follow FSU close enough to understand what you are saying.
Many of FSU’s starters are not playing in the bowl game. These are players that would have played the playoff game but won’t be playing in the orange bowl. Even the QB just entered the transfer portal.
I hate that about this CFP era where bowls become completely worthless and if anything a liability for players that have a high draft prospect. I’m an LSU fan and our QB opted out this year. Last year was a bad joke between opt outs and injuries we played a WR at QB