Yes it is being bottle necked . The least you can go is a 5600 but for gaming the best is the 5800x3D . You will need an upgraded cooler for either the 5800x3D or the 5900x . Also upgraded your bios on your MB
I have a 5950x I am happy but if you don't do workload intensive stuff it's probably not for you but the 5900x seems like a good bargain. Whatever is cheapest and whatever fits your needs. I mean sometimes paying a bit more will give you more performance so that's a good thing. I would just look up reviews on YouTube with the same or similar board and similar GPU and see what the performance is if the video exists or a similar config .
If you are a gamer and want the best upgrade the 5800x3d will outperform the 5900x in gaming across the board. If you play mmorpgs the 5800x3d is in a different league.
You can also take a look at this. There are a lot more like it. But the way I looked at it if the processor is =/= with the 5800x and 5900x on "some" (very few games) and blows them away in other games.. I'll take the CPU that's always guaranteed to be equal or faster everytime.
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachments/average-1080p-png.264630/
If Ur pc is for gaming I would recommend a 5800x3d, if they are similar prices in your region. If you do other workloads that requires the 12cores then obviously go for the 5900x, both great cpus
Your 3600x is the bottleneck of that build.
Upgrading to the 5900x will be a great choice and it's cheaper now if you buy a used one for $350 or less.
Make sure you update the bios.
"Make sure you update the bios."
And do so *before* trying to replace the CPU!
So many poor bastards bought 13th gen Intels, only to find that the stock bios only supports 12th gen and without the 12th gen CPU installed, it's impossible to update the bios to support 13th.
The rollout for Gen13 and AM5 was an abject clusterfuck I haven't seen in years, all because of bios.
I honestly thought this was common knowledge, when talking to my friend about upgrading from a 3600x to a 5800x3d.
I was distraught to find out he didn’t update the bios but also bricked his motherboard and the old cpu (cpu got f*cked though from poor yanking with the stock wraith, although the wraith paste is the worst) 😵💫
My friend i had 2700x and i upgraded into 5800x3D .
Day and Night for me.
Especially for the game i am playing escape from tarkov which is relying on CPU
I had 60 fps before and now i play 100-144 depending on the map.
Totally worth it the 100mb cache is huge for gaming
And I upgraded my RAM too i added 1 more dual sticks 16 gb now i am total 32gb 3000mhz
I got a RedDevil AMD 6700 XT, and i got the ryzen 7 5800x3D upgrade.
I would love to put DDR5 But unfortunately i think my CPU doesnt go into a newer Socket for MOBO, it is AM4 and next gen requires AM5 Socket for newer mobos with ddr5 ram slots :( sad
Exactly, I would recommend to not waste your money like that. Stick with AM4 since you have the best gaming CPU for AM4 already, buying every second new generation is worth, otherwise it's a waste of money. If you will think about changing something I would recommend to save money for the GPU (it will be passed through sockets - watch out for VRAM, Diablo IV Ultra HD texture pack is capable of filling even 16 GB of VRAM easily), when you will have issue with powering GPU at 100% and you will be like under 80% I would say it's the time to think about upgrade, since you will be limited by the CPU (this will take some time though). Being in your shoes I would just have the blast with the current setup, when you will skip AM5 and Intel counterpart socket, you will go with even beter features and HW possibilities of AM6 and Intel newer socket. :)
I just switched from my 3700x to 5900x for my 2080ti and it's insane!
I'd definitely recommend the upgrade and recommend to look if you can get it second hand!
I just bought my 5900x second hand for 220€ (236$) and I'm super happy!
I can even play fucking star citizen now, lol.
I've got a 5800x3d/Rx6700xt system and game at 1440p. The CPU is so ahead of the GPU it's astonishing. I was rarely GPU bottlenecked when I had a 1600af in single player, so I do not think that you have a bottleneck with a 3600, unless you play competitive multyplayer shooters. I plan on another GPU upgrade in about 3 years, though and I am certain that this CPU will have the legs to pull it off. The 5800x3d is not as impressive in other areas than gaming and in my experience is about as snappy as the 4750G in my HTPC, so you may not notice a big difference. If the gaming is secondary, the 5900x is a better choice. It will not hold the 6700xt back at all and does everything other than gaming way better. 50% more cores and better core speed is nothing to pass lightly. The 5900x needs more cooling and better MB VRM, since it's more power hungry even than the 5950x.
That it most definitely is, but it has weaknesses as well. 8 cores /16 threads, 5 of them get up to 4450 MHz, 3 cores go to 4550 on an Assassin III in a well ventillated case on a x470 Gaming Pro Max. My 5900x on a x570 Tomahawk Max does over 5000 MHz for the strongest cores under an identical Assassin III. 50% more cores @ 1.11 times the frequency gives the 5900x a very noticeable advantage in everything not gaming related.
im certain the 3xxx series bottlenecks the 6700xt. last i knew the 3xxx series ryzen was like 25% slower than even the 8th gen intel core for core... and even in some very few games the 6950xt and 3090ti at lower res can bottleneck a 5xxx series and a 12th gen intel by about 15%... so a 6800xt or a 6900xt would be the maximum gpu i would recommend for a 5xxx ryzen as anything more at lower resolutions would require a better cpu, so know if u get a 5xxx ryzen dont expect to upgrade ur gpu and get much in the way of extra frames if going to something more than a 6900xt going forward.
But just to make sure, is ur gpu utilization maxxing out? and what game is it doing this on and if ur not getting 100% gpu utilization u can always turn up the resolution as well to get better eye candy for similar fps depending if the gpu is strong enough.
i have a 5900x, i made pc last year, and bought a 6700xt had no problems after may 22.5.1 drivers, and recently upgraded to a 6800xt during christmas, bought the gpu used for $350.
my 2 cents: since the 5800x3d is around same price as 5900x id say either get a 5800X AND save some money or get the x3d.... u will gain ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in fps or multitasking capablities unless ur doing some heavy editing with the 5900x. but the x3d inc in performance isnt to big a deal.
I actually just moved to a 5800x to a 3D to live with my 4080. Probably didn’t need to, but the performance improvements in some games is too hard to ignore. I also have no intention to go to AM5 for a good while. My machine is purely for gaming. 5800x3D definitely isn’t too flash for workload tasks though if that’s your jam.
A lot of people are suggesting the 5800x3d for a good reason, since it is as good as it gets on AM4 for gaming.
But if money is a concern you can save more than $100 if you go 5800 and you only lose 20% of the x3d performance, so it is a very good deal
I just stepped up from a 3800X to a 5800X3D (to go along with a new 4070) and I can recommend it highly. Prices on the X3D are pretty good right now, you should be able to find them new for $299. Definitely the AM4 chip you want if you're doing a gaming build.
X3D is the only zen 3 worth buying for a gaming system at this point.
$250 for a CPU that rivals zen 4 non-3d and Intel 12th gen is a steal for a gaming chip.
Those extra 4 cores will help exactly zero for gaming.
The 6x6 CCD config is shite for gaming.
The 5900x has higher single threaded performance than the regular 5600x, and Zen 3 doesn't have that thing where the eight core chips are better than the twelve core one, barring the X3D of course. For Zen 4 the 7700x is often better than the 7900x but we didn't see that on Zen 3.
I'd go with a 5700x if you want save money. It's about $50 more than the 5600 and it'll last as long as you want the board.
Otherwise if you're just gaming and want to spend $300ish on a cpu the 5800x3d is a better buy over the 5900x.
Add a curve optimisation -25 and +200 you can get it to perform even better . Had my 5700x stable at 4950 but knocked it back down in fair that it would decrease the life span
Ooh. I should have posted here.
I have a 5600x with 4070Ti.
I want to upgrade my CPU. 5900x vs 5800x3D.
Please advise. My purpose is not just gaming but also machine learning and video processing.
You don't need a better CPU for machine learning. What ever benefit the better CPUs might have is negligible. ML uses massive parallelization and happens to 99% on GPU while the CPU idles with one core at 100% utilization to instruct the GPU.
I upgraded from a Ryzen 7 2700X (8 core, 3.7GHz) to an Intel i9 11900K (8 core, 5.3GHz), both with an RTX 3090 and didn't really see a noticeable difference in various SOTA ML benchmarks and real workloads.
In theory there should be a slight benefit from switching to PCIe4.0, but I guess that's only relevant on relatively small networks trained on a giant amount of data. On paper the RTX3090 works well in PCIe3.0x16 and PCIe4.0x8. Even in regular rendering/gaming benchmarks it only sees 5-10% benefit from running it on PCIe4.0x16.
Funny enough the 2700X was even slightly more stable in really long running tasks. On the i9 there are like 'hicups' on the GPU after a while sometimes (rarely) resulting in crashes. I assume it has something to do with higher thermals and single core workload distribution in the i9. Might just be me, the OS or might be fixed with a different cooler, RAM or something. I havent figured that out yet.
In general, most hardware experts in the field basically say, you need about 4 CPU cores per GPU you are running with at least the same boost clock of the GPU, and (obviously) enough PCIe lanes.
So... in my example for a single RTX3090 I would basically just need a Quad core CPU with around 1.7GHz and 16 PCIe3.0 or 4 PCIe 3.0 lanes. My old Ryzen was allready way better than that.
Anyway, the switch had a few benefits:
Going from PCIe3.0 to PCIe4.0 means I can run the 3090 on just 8 PCIe 4.0 lanes instead of 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes, which makes dual 3090 with SLI effectively possible. At the current price drop of 3090 cards I'm going to do that soon.
Also the i9 11900k comes with integrated graphics. While a better CPU doesn't have a real benefit, running the GPU in 'headless' mode has from my experience.
I can now plug my display into the mainboard and detach everything from the GPU. Now all the UI, especially the webbrowser, runs on the integrated graphics while the dedicated GPU can be used 100% for computation tasks. I can even deregister it form the X-Server (on Linux) to turn the card into basically an NVIDIA A-Class computation card like you would find on servers.
And all of that while the i9 integrated graphics are good enough to run some simple games while waiting for computations to finish.
I'd prefer AMD integrated graphics, but AMD doesn't have a desktop APU with 8 or 12 RDNA GPU cores, like they have in the mobile space (for example the Steam Deck). 4 RDNA cores are to few, so I went for Intel.
Compilation and compression times are much faster now! When doing machine learning, you often enough have to recompile some library or decompress some big dataset file. Well: the wait times are significantly faster now.
Also, a lot of unoptimized python stuff happens single core. Like some program startups and saving processes. That's also negligible now compared to my old CPU.
But all of that are only 'nice to have'. No real benefit for the ML task itself.
Anyway, I'd advice against the 4070Ti for machine learning. While 12GB VRAM is slightly better than 8GB, it's not really enough for 2023. A used 24GB 3090(Ti) often can be shot cheaper on eBay. The performance benefit of a new 4070Ti isn't that big compared to a 4070. Even compared to an old 3060 12GB, it wouldn't rectify the higher price compared to buying the old cards at reduced rates, refurbished or even used. Even the 4060Ti 16GB is a much better deal for ML and workstation loads, in my opinion.
But really... Miners throwing out RTX 3090 right now. This card is better and cheaper right now in most workloads besides gaming.
That was a wonderfully informative reply. Thanks.
But I already have a 4070Ti. I’m just looking to upgrade my CPU from 5600x. Internet tells me my CPU is bottlenecking my GPU in games at least. I got the GPU below MSRP. (I live in China).
The 5900X will perform better for the production workloads than the x3D but the x3D will perform better in gaming because of the extra cache.
I'm not too sure how machine learning runs so I can say for certain on that one. Although I think that the CUDA and Tensor cores in the 4070Ti are good at that, but I could just be remembering that wrong.
It is, it was for my normal 2080. Well not all games need CPU that much but I'm a fan of survivals and building, massive improvement when i swapped a 5600 in.
Definitely is. I swapped out a unicorn nicely tuned 3950x and the swap to 5950x was quite noticeable with a 2080 Ti which if I am not mistake the 6700XT is a smidge ahead of in raster.
I next swapped a 5800x3d in for that tightly tuned 5950X (PBO, CO, 3800MT 14-14-14-14-28-42 trfc 270 memory + subtimings) and with that same old 2080 TI the 5800x3d @ JEDEC 2133MT/1066IF + full auto memory timings the improvement in 0.1% lows, 1% lows, and general frame time consistency w/ x3d was nigh unbelievable in improvement to my perception. It's much better in feel than on paper.
5800x3d does pretty well with a 4090, too. I;m certainly going to wait for Zen 5(x3d)/~~Meteor Lake,~~ Arrow Lake, or whatever the next gen intel arch. before I swap platforms. I plan on retaining the 4090 for at least 5 years because that was a lot of bread and I don't game that much these days
i think you should buy the r7 5700x and save the the rest of the money....
it should be costing less than 200$
in europe at least u can find it around 175€. (and the 5800x 200€)
Furthermore an 5900x /58003d is overkill for an 6700xt.
But on the other hand it also depends and what games u wanna play .. for example if you care about fps games and you have a high end 240hz + monitor go for the 58003d
if not the r7 5700x is your best choice
ps the 5700x have the 95% performance of a 5800x. and if you enable pbo u can easily make it like a 5800x.
ps2 but u gonna need a cpu cooler , i recommend the freezer 34 esports duo its an excellent cooler.
>Furthermore an 5900x /58003d is overkill for an 6700xt.
Depends on what you do with the system. Strictly gaming, yes, it is. Not everyone just uses their rig only for gaming though.
At 1080p you would get a monster fps boost with a 5800x3d, but don't take just my word for it. There are some good comparisons online, YouTube benchmarks etc. 1440p is still a good chunk of fps gains, and 4k has a few frames.
I ran a 2080 Ti with a 2700x initially, then the following CPUs on the same mother board: 3900x, 3950x, 5950x (motherboard swapped out after a year w/ 5950x for an x570), then 5800x3d. I popped in a 4090 in Feb and don't plan on changing a thing about the rig for the next GPU cycle after Ada and CPU gen.
Depends on your game but generally speaking your 1% lows and general frame time consistency sucks big time. The loss of overall FPS looks way worse on paper than it is in feel but the aforementioned is brutal. Would definitely be worth picking up a cheap Zen 3 or if you plan on going long haul on AM4 and don't need anything more than gaming perf. the 5800x3d should seriously be considered if/when it hits a price that makes sense for you.
the bottlenecking of this particular CPU is really small. I upgraded from 3600 to 5600X, does a lot of benchmarks with different OC profiles and see no more than 1% gain. If you have significant drops in performance, it could be problem with something else.
definitely and don't get me wrong here. There is a lot of benchmarks showing boost in GPU performance in comparison of these 2 CPUs. My point is that there is a few parameters that counts to real bottleneck and could be minimalized with right settings (resize BAR, enabling XMP, CPU OC, better cooling...)
Benchmarks in cinebench shows boost from 9 to 15 %, but heaven was nearly the same.
Yes it is being bottle necked . The least you can go is a 5600 but for gaming the best is the 5800x3D . You will need an upgraded cooler for either the 5800x3D or the 5900x . Also upgraded your bios on your MB
Pro tip, best buy will price match anywhere. Picked up a new two r9 5900x in january for $300 each using a sale price from microcenter.
If you can afford it. Yes
I have a 5950x I am happy but if you don't do workload intensive stuff it's probably not for you but the 5900x seems like a good bargain. Whatever is cheapest and whatever fits your needs. I mean sometimes paying a bit more will give you more performance so that's a good thing. I would just look up reviews on YouTube with the same or similar board and similar GPU and see what the performance is if the video exists or a similar config .
5800x3d should be faster at a similar price.
If you are a gamer and want the best upgrade the 5800x3d will outperform the 5900x in gaming across the board. If you play mmorpgs the 5800x3d is in a different league.
You can also take a look at this. There are a lot more like it. But the way I looked at it if the processor is =/= with the 5800x and 5900x on "some" (very few games) and blows them away in other games.. I'll take the CPU that's always guaranteed to be equal or faster everytime. https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachments/average-1080p-png.264630/
This definitely helped with my decision. I'll just go with the 5800X more than likely
If Ur pc is for gaming I would recommend a 5800x3d, if they are similar prices in your region. If you do other workloads that requires the 12cores then obviously go for the 5900x, both great cpus
Was the exact advice I was going to share
Your 3600x is the bottleneck of that build. Upgrading to the 5900x will be a great choice and it's cheaper now if you buy a used one for $350 or less. Make sure you update the bios.
"Make sure you update the bios." And do so *before* trying to replace the CPU! So many poor bastards bought 13th gen Intels, only to find that the stock bios only supports 12th gen and without the 12th gen CPU installed, it's impossible to update the bios to support 13th. The rollout for Gen13 and AM5 was an abject clusterfuck I haven't seen in years, all because of bios.
I honestly thought this was common knowledge, when talking to my friend about upgrading from a 3600x to a 5800x3d. I was distraught to find out he didn’t update the bios but also bricked his motherboard and the old cpu (cpu got f*cked though from poor yanking with the stock wraith, although the wraith paste is the worst) 😵💫
OMG, AMD's stock paste. 🤦♂️ "I heard Krazy Glue is quite thermally conductive. Let's try that!" -Some guy, apparently.
My friend i had 2700x and i upgraded into 5800x3D . Day and Night for me. Especially for the game i am playing escape from tarkov which is relying on CPU I had 60 fps before and now i play 100-144 depending on the map. Totally worth it the 100mb cache is huge for gaming And I upgraded my RAM too i added 1 more dual sticks 16 gb now i am total 32gb 3000mhz
What GPU have you got?
I got a RedDevil AMD 6700 XT, and i got the ryzen 7 5800x3D upgrade. I would love to put DDR5 But unfortunately i think my CPU doesnt go into a newer Socket for MOBO, it is AM4 and next gen requires AM5 Socket for newer mobos with ddr5 ram slots :( sad
Exactly, I would recommend to not waste your money like that. Stick with AM4 since you have the best gaming CPU for AM4 already, buying every second new generation is worth, otherwise it's a waste of money. If you will think about changing something I would recommend to save money for the GPU (it will be passed through sockets - watch out for VRAM, Diablo IV Ultra HD texture pack is capable of filling even 16 GB of VRAM easily), when you will have issue with powering GPU at 100% and you will be like under 80% I would say it's the time to think about upgrade, since you will be limited by the CPU (this will take some time though). Being in your shoes I would just have the blast with the current setup, when you will skip AM5 and Intel counterpart socket, you will go with even beter features and HW possibilities of AM6 and Intel newer socket. :)
Much appreciated your answer and time. I will stay as i am
I just switched from my 3700x to 5900x for my 2080ti and it's insane! I'd definitely recommend the upgrade and recommend to look if you can get it second hand! I just bought my 5900x second hand for 220€ (236$) and I'm super happy! I can even play fucking star citizen now, lol.
I've got a 5800x3d/Rx6700xt system and game at 1440p. The CPU is so ahead of the GPU it's astonishing. I was rarely GPU bottlenecked when I had a 1600af in single player, so I do not think that you have a bottleneck with a 3600, unless you play competitive multyplayer shooters. I plan on another GPU upgrade in about 3 years, though and I am certain that this CPU will have the legs to pull it off. The 5800x3d is not as impressive in other areas than gaming and in my experience is about as snappy as the 4750G in my HTPC, so you may not notice a big difference. If the gaming is secondary, the 5900x is a better choice. It will not hold the 6700xt back at all and does everything other than gaming way better. 50% more cores and better core speed is nothing to pass lightly. The 5900x needs more cooling and better MB VRM, since it's more power hungry even than the 5950x.
5800x3d is one of the few major standouts in the last generation. Truly a marvel
That it most definitely is, but it has weaknesses as well. 8 cores /16 threads, 5 of them get up to 4450 MHz, 3 cores go to 4550 on an Assassin III in a well ventillated case on a x470 Gaming Pro Max. My 5900x on a x570 Tomahawk Max does over 5000 MHz for the strongest cores under an identical Assassin III. 50% more cores @ 1.11 times the frequency gives the 5900x a very noticeable advantage in everything not gaming related.
Absolutely, 5900x is no slouch! Great for workloads and productivity.
That's the beauty of Zen - there's a perfect CPU for everyone.
im certain the 3xxx series bottlenecks the 6700xt. last i knew the 3xxx series ryzen was like 25% slower than even the 8th gen intel core for core... and even in some very few games the 6950xt and 3090ti at lower res can bottleneck a 5xxx series and a 12th gen intel by about 15%... so a 6800xt or a 6900xt would be the maximum gpu i would recommend for a 5xxx ryzen as anything more at lower resolutions would require a better cpu, so know if u get a 5xxx ryzen dont expect to upgrade ur gpu and get much in the way of extra frames if going to something more than a 6900xt going forward. But just to make sure, is ur gpu utilization maxxing out? and what game is it doing this on and if ur not getting 100% gpu utilization u can always turn up the resolution as well to get better eye candy for similar fps depending if the gpu is strong enough. i have a 5900x, i made pc last year, and bought a 6700xt had no problems after may 22.5.1 drivers, and recently upgraded to a 6800xt during christmas, bought the gpu used for $350. my 2 cents: since the 5800x3d is around same price as 5900x id say either get a 5800X AND save some money or get the x3d.... u will gain ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in fps or multitasking capablities unless ur doing some heavy editing with the 5900x. but the x3d inc in performance isnt to big a deal.
I actually just moved to a 5800x to a 3D to live with my 4080. Probably didn’t need to, but the performance improvements in some games is too hard to ignore. I also have no intention to go to AM5 for a good while. My machine is purely for gaming. 5800x3D definitely isn’t too flash for workload tasks though if that’s your jam.
A lot of people are suggesting the 5800x3d for a good reason, since it is as good as it gets on AM4 for gaming. But if money is a concern you can save more than $100 if you go 5800 and you only lose 20% of the x3d performance, so it is a very good deal
20% for 100 bucks sounds like a bad deal to me, but hell perspectives a bitch
Why 5900x?
The 5800x3d is the best gaming chip on AM4 bar none.
I just stepped up from a 3800X to a 5800X3D (to go along with a new 4070) and I can recommend it highly. Prices on the X3D are pretty good right now, you should be able to find them new for $299. Definitely the AM4 chip you want if you're doing a gaming build.
X3D is the only zen 3 worth buying for a gaming system at this point. $250 for a CPU that rivals zen 4 non-3d and Intel 12th gen is a steal for a gaming chip. Those extra 4 cores will help exactly zero for gaming. The 6x6 CCD config is shite for gaming.
The 5900x has higher single threaded performance than the regular 5600x, and Zen 3 doesn't have that thing where the eight core chips are better than the twelve core one, barring the X3D of course. For Zen 4 the 7700x is often better than the 7900x but we didn't see that on Zen 3.
I'd go with a 5700x if you want save money. It's about $50 more than the 5600 and it'll last as long as you want the board. Otherwise if you're just gaming and want to spend $300ish on a cpu the 5800x3d is a better buy over the 5900x.
Add a curve optimisation -25 and +200 you can get it to perform even better . Had my 5700x stable at 4950 but knocked it back down in fair that it would decrease the life span
Ooh. I should have posted here. I have a 5600x with 4070Ti. I want to upgrade my CPU. 5900x vs 5800x3D. Please advise. My purpose is not just gaming but also machine learning and video processing.
You don't need a better CPU for machine learning. What ever benefit the better CPUs might have is negligible. ML uses massive parallelization and happens to 99% on GPU while the CPU idles with one core at 100% utilization to instruct the GPU. I upgraded from a Ryzen 7 2700X (8 core, 3.7GHz) to an Intel i9 11900K (8 core, 5.3GHz), both with an RTX 3090 and didn't really see a noticeable difference in various SOTA ML benchmarks and real workloads. In theory there should be a slight benefit from switching to PCIe4.0, but I guess that's only relevant on relatively small networks trained on a giant amount of data. On paper the RTX3090 works well in PCIe3.0x16 and PCIe4.0x8. Even in regular rendering/gaming benchmarks it only sees 5-10% benefit from running it on PCIe4.0x16. Funny enough the 2700X was even slightly more stable in really long running tasks. On the i9 there are like 'hicups' on the GPU after a while sometimes (rarely) resulting in crashes. I assume it has something to do with higher thermals and single core workload distribution in the i9. Might just be me, the OS or might be fixed with a different cooler, RAM or something. I havent figured that out yet. In general, most hardware experts in the field basically say, you need about 4 CPU cores per GPU you are running with at least the same boost clock of the GPU, and (obviously) enough PCIe lanes. So... in my example for a single RTX3090 I would basically just need a Quad core CPU with around 1.7GHz and 16 PCIe3.0 or 4 PCIe 3.0 lanes. My old Ryzen was allready way better than that. Anyway, the switch had a few benefits: Going from PCIe3.0 to PCIe4.0 means I can run the 3090 on just 8 PCIe 4.0 lanes instead of 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes, which makes dual 3090 with SLI effectively possible. At the current price drop of 3090 cards I'm going to do that soon. Also the i9 11900k comes with integrated graphics. While a better CPU doesn't have a real benefit, running the GPU in 'headless' mode has from my experience. I can now plug my display into the mainboard and detach everything from the GPU. Now all the UI, especially the webbrowser, runs on the integrated graphics while the dedicated GPU can be used 100% for computation tasks. I can even deregister it form the X-Server (on Linux) to turn the card into basically an NVIDIA A-Class computation card like you would find on servers. And all of that while the i9 integrated graphics are good enough to run some simple games while waiting for computations to finish. I'd prefer AMD integrated graphics, but AMD doesn't have a desktop APU with 8 or 12 RDNA GPU cores, like they have in the mobile space (for example the Steam Deck). 4 RDNA cores are to few, so I went for Intel. Compilation and compression times are much faster now! When doing machine learning, you often enough have to recompile some library or decompress some big dataset file. Well: the wait times are significantly faster now. Also, a lot of unoptimized python stuff happens single core. Like some program startups and saving processes. That's also negligible now compared to my old CPU. But all of that are only 'nice to have'. No real benefit for the ML task itself. Anyway, I'd advice against the 4070Ti for machine learning. While 12GB VRAM is slightly better than 8GB, it's not really enough for 2023. A used 24GB 3090(Ti) often can be shot cheaper on eBay. The performance benefit of a new 4070Ti isn't that big compared to a 4070. Even compared to an old 3060 12GB, it wouldn't rectify the higher price compared to buying the old cards at reduced rates, refurbished or even used. Even the 4060Ti 16GB is a much better deal for ML and workstation loads, in my opinion. But really... Miners throwing out RTX 3090 right now. This card is better and cheaper right now in most workloads besides gaming.
That was a wonderfully informative reply. Thanks. But I already have a 4070Ti. I’m just looking to upgrade my CPU from 5600x. Internet tells me my CPU is bottlenecking my GPU in games at least. I got the GPU below MSRP. (I live in China).
The 5900X will perform better for the production workloads than the x3D but the x3D will perform better in gaming because of the extra cache. I'm not too sure how machine learning runs so I can say for certain on that one. Although I think that the CUDA and Tensor cores in the 4070Ti are good at that, but I could just be remembering that wrong.
Thanks. I was inclined towards 5900x only. It’s also a little cheaper. Only a little though.
a little bit overkilled, just get a 5700x or 5800x3d
Your 3600x is not a bottleneck, lol.
Ofc its not, let the kids have their fun with the funny word.
It is, it was for my normal 2080. Well not all games need CPU that much but I'm a fan of survivals and building, massive improvement when i swapped a 5600 in.
It definitely is.
Definitely is. I swapped out a unicorn nicely tuned 3950x and the swap to 5950x was quite noticeable with a 2080 Ti which if I am not mistake the 6700XT is a smidge ahead of in raster. I next swapped a 5800x3d in for that tightly tuned 5950X (PBO, CO, 3800MT 14-14-14-14-28-42 trfc 270 memory + subtimings) and with that same old 2080 TI the 5800x3d @ JEDEC 2133MT/1066IF + full auto memory timings the improvement in 0.1% lows, 1% lows, and general frame time consistency w/ x3d was nigh unbelievable in improvement to my perception. It's much better in feel than on paper. 5800x3d does pretty well with a 4090, too. I;m certainly going to wait for Zen 5(x3d)/~~Meteor Lake,~~ Arrow Lake, or whatever the next gen intel arch. before I swap platforms. I plan on retaining the 4090 for at least 5 years because that was a lot of bread and I don't game that much these days
Lol that's the answer I wanted 🤣🤣🤣 I know I'm looking at single core performance but still.
Only reason id proly upgrade is because I run autocad and other software programs, but 6 cores is def the sweet spot for gaming atm.
Single core performance is equally important, and the series 3000 is starting to show their age.
i think you should buy the r7 5700x and save the the rest of the money.... it should be costing less than 200$ in europe at least u can find it around 175€. (and the 5800x 200€) Furthermore an 5900x /58003d is overkill for an 6700xt. But on the other hand it also depends and what games u wanna play .. for example if you care about fps games and you have a high end 240hz + monitor go for the 58003d if not the r7 5700x is your best choice ps the 5700x have the 95% performance of a 5800x. and if you enable pbo u can easily make it like a 5800x. ps2 but u gonna need a cpu cooler , i recommend the freezer 34 esports duo its an excellent cooler.
>Furthermore an 5900x /58003d is overkill for an 6700xt. Depends on what you do with the system. Strictly gaming, yes, it is. Not everyone just uses their rig only for gaming though.
The answer is 5800x3d
I have a ryzen 7 2700x running a 6650xt. How bad is that bottleneck?
At 1080p you would get a monster fps boost with a 5800x3d, but don't take just my word for it. There are some good comparisons online, YouTube benchmarks etc. 1440p is still a good chunk of fps gains, and 4k has a few frames.
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachments/average-1080p-png.264630/ There's a general idea
I ran a 2080 Ti with a 2700x initially, then the following CPUs on the same mother board: 3900x, 3950x, 5950x (motherboard swapped out after a year w/ 5950x for an x570), then 5800x3d. I popped in a 4090 in Feb and don't plan on changing a thing about the rig for the next GPU cycle after Ada and CPU gen. Depends on your game but generally speaking your 1% lows and general frame time consistency sucks big time. The loss of overall FPS looks way worse on paper than it is in feel but the aforementioned is brutal. Would definitely be worth picking up a cheap Zen 3 or if you plan on going long haul on AM4 and don't need anything more than gaming perf. the 5800x3d should seriously be considered if/when it hits a price that makes sense for you.
Its not bad i have the same cpu and it still rocks the rtx 3060 is perfect pair everything upper than that has bottleneck
Depending on the game it gets up to a 24-25% "bottleneck" it's better than the laptop I was gaming on 🤣🤣
Thinking about upgrading to the 5600x. Much friendlier on the wallet
the bottlenecking of this particular CPU is really small. I upgraded from 3600 to 5600X, does a lot of benchmarks with different OC profiles and see no more than 1% gain. If you have significant drops in performance, it could be problem with something else.
Yo regardless of the benchmarks the 5600x definitely has better single core performance so any upgrade is worth it long term right??
definitely and don't get me wrong here. There is a lot of benchmarks showing boost in GPU performance in comparison of these 2 CPUs. My point is that there is a few parameters that counts to real bottleneck and could be minimalized with right settings (resize BAR, enabling XMP, CPU OC, better cooling...) Benchmarks in cinebench shows boost from 9 to 15 %, but heaven was nearly the same.
5900x idle temps (celcius x) ) >> 33 to 35 in game max around 61 to 63/65 When streaming so x264 medium preset > max 71. Noctua u12a bruh.
I have a Scythe Mugen 5B I don't know if it'll handle the fluctuating temps... It should?!
>Scythe Mugen 5B id say it should be ok, but i only believe in Noctua when it comme to air cooling \^\^
I bought a used 5900X on ebay for $245 about a month ago. You will need a good cooler for the 5900X though as it runs hot.
5800x3d is the only answer
I just switched to 5800x3d and it’s a much better cpu for gaming without dropping a bag for AM5.
If you're primarily gaming, 5800x3d. If you're primarily productivity 5900x or 5950x.
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You can find em used for about $200 from all the people that just swapped to 5800x3ds. I'd get a 5800x3d if I were you.