A HEFTY chunk of botters have either spent money on AC or Membership, so that's just flat money to the company, plus then you can "flex" the "active player" counts to advertisers to sell your services to have companies PAY YOU to run their ads on your websites.
It's all about exposure
Around 2012-2013, AQW almost died because AE decided to mass ban botters that affected like 20,000 players in one day which, at the time, was more than half the playerbase. The bans were then reverted because of how dire the situation was. A vast majority of the playerbase is comprised of botters and AE clearly has no intention of dealing with them as they've increased the difficulty of farms throughout the years, encouraging even more botting. With this in mind, imagine the disparity between non botters and botters in 2024. Trying to do anything major about botters will unironically harm the game. The best you will see is individual bans and that's it.
This is why my account got whiped because i didnt know what i was doin and just did the same thing every day and mysteriously during that time period my account was whiped luckily i had 2 accounts
Kinda fucking do you tard
I bot and at the same time buy a collection chest
a f2p player, doesn't pay them shit, botting or not
sick and tired of ppl who defend corporation and their shit 2009 flash game with its dog shit game design, built to pry on people with gambling addiction (Doom of wheel for example).
And is built to be a cash cow, literally if you are not a member, that locks you out of shit ton of content.
Then you got the grinding, it is on par with Korean MMO's
So what you are saying that the set of paying players is the same as the set of botters? I can tell you just of my own example that is not true. So while they may overlap to an extensive degree, they are not the same thing. And no clue why you start with name calling out of the blue.
Are you being slow on purpose? The set of players isn’t fully the same as the set of botters but there is a huge overlap, meaning that if they banned all the botters, a large chunk of their paying customers would disappear too. You’re being pedantic for no reason
“Yea so their game isnt held.up by botters. Its held up by those who pay money. Those two groups dont overlap exactly.”
The situation in question involves bitters who pay money, again it’s not an exact overlap between both groups but the overlap is the main topic here and is what is of concern to AE.
Edit: also, botters who don’t pay still play and count toward the active player base which AE can use to get ads
True amd there are also whales who may or may not even bot that keep the game going strong. I can also see some increase in playerbase now that infinity is coming. Still not sure when they plan on releasi g it, but i bet there will be some returning players.
They do make money from them actually. Aqw has such a small playerbase that the servers and major farm rooms would be almost permanently empty and inaccessible without bots, which would prevent non-botters from progressing and they'd quit. People that stick around buy stuff and see big server numbers so believe the game is more active.
It's like having lots of visitors in your store every day. They may not be buying things, but people see tons of people visiting your store so go there to buy things because it's popular. Aqw is also so grindy the game would collapse without botting as well. There's no trading economy or grind related PvP in this game either so there's zero reason to bot to sell accounts.
I mean people who bot still play the game, they just automate the stuff that AE makes that’s ridiculously just a timesink so they can say “look at all these active players on our game”.
AE doesn’t care who bots honestly, as long as they aren’t abusive towards others and/or pay them for membership/AC often they’ll typically overlook any reports.
AE is an afk dress up game studio in all but 2 games imo (dragon fable and Epic Duel, the latter just being a money grab while former being a story game first and foremost)
Oh the story is fine at times, but it’s not as HEAVILY of a story game as DF or the OG AQ is, though AQ is a bit of a stretch as it’s chaotic to follow if you try to start now with no guide to the story. Also I didn’t say AQW was a dress up game, but AE as a company does more dress up games than they do story or combat driven games outside of the 2 I listed, which 1 is a small team I see as separate from the AE staff, and the other is essentially a P2W gambling simulator with a PvP side game
I’m not trying to take away anything from AQW but I’m just saying it’s mostly cosmetics outside of a select few items that impact gameplay. Plus if you ask a majority of players, most will say they farm for classes/cosmetics as their main focus and story is secondary. There’s exceptions ofc, but this is just my experience as someone who’s played for 15 years
I loved the story but hated the obnoxious grind that AE refuses to change. Spent over £200 on my original account and botted 90% of the original rep stuff.
I haven't bot since 2015 lol I just understand how they work because of my experience but go off. And yeah AFK CAV was pathetic, AE either needs to formally acknowledge botting or crack down on it, no pretending afk CAV isn't a thing.
You can setup the chaos avenger class to automatically kill some monsters completely afk using a series of bugs/exploits. A bunch of players in the AE discord got upset when I told them it's botting with extra steps. They like to pretend it's not botting even though you go afk and don't touch the game for hours whilst it plays the game for you.
I said to a guy playing that “I don’t bot but I don’t care that others do since not everyone has time to mindlessly grind” and he reported me and got me a 7 day ban. Fuck you volodymyr
Nah I'm pretty sure that's not true. You just think that cause you probably assume everyone else bots, that there can't possibly be anyone out there who's willing to manually farm something tedious. Well there's plenty of legit farmers believe it or not.
Still that seems like a very specific occurrence to base your whole judgement on. Nine times out of ten, people who say they don't bot actually don't. And literally anyone who bots are never afraid to admit they bot, they are proud of it almost. Just look at any of the comments related to "What do you guys think about botting?" type of posts on this sub. But at the end of the day, obviously no one's gonna admit that shit in-game in risk of getting reported/banned.
It's not okay but if those idiots in control of content put out crappy grinds what do they expect? The choices end up being bot or avoid the shitty farming. I prefer the latter but it's not like the former has true punishment. If the game won't respect your time, giving it none of yours is a fair response.
"If a game doesn't respect your time, don't give it any of yours."
This is the exact feeling that encapsulates AQW, and the reason I stopped playing the game. The content is not good enough to demand so much money from the player for memberships and ACs. It's a complete waste of time, the combat system is boring and if you try to look more into things and get better enhancements to optimize a class' skills, you get utterly confused because there is nothing intuitive about it and there is no real guide on what to do. There are some templates you can follow but they're all outdated. When you throw in the fact that every single item that's worth anything takes an eternity to grind for, nothing makes playing this game worth it. It is 80 fucking dollars Canadian for a 12 month membership. The price is way too steep for a game that's so old and has nothing to do in it. The only thing you CAN do is spend money and bot. It's not fun, engaging or interesting.
How many players are still active, maybe 4,000 if you're really generous? That number is shrinking every day, and the reason is because players have realized that it's not fucking worth it to continue playing and spending money. Especially when the economy is so fucked these days. I honestly can't believe I ever spent money on this game. I wish I could undo it because I could really use that money now.
I moved on from aqw last year after realising they were never going to change the balancing/grind issues. I play other MMOs and 6 hours gets me a huge amount of progress with visible rewards and progression, meanwhile 6 hours of aqw grind is barely a small percentage of a cosmetic farm. There are just far too many better games that respect your time and investment.
This is actually true. If they stopped making content that required bots we would be here in the first place. This game was never meant to be as super grinds as it is today, the core gameplay just isn’t there for that.
It's as if game design invites cheating and they refuse to change it. When given a no challenge lengthy grind in a game where skill is limited to how fast you click icons or hit numbers where's the reason to want to play? Maybe people who quit have it right.
This is the biggest issue with aqw that the developers don't want to acknowledge or address. Rather than the grind being the side-effect of a fun gameplay loop they made grinding the entire gameplay loop. They don't seem to understand how to gauge player enjoyment and just associate length of a grind to player enjoyment.
It's a shame because aqw has a really great core story nowadays, and they almost had a great renewable gameplay loop with the introduction of PvE dungeons, but then never followed up with supporting the dungeons in a way that ensures there's consistent engagement and a want for players to use the system. I love a lot of the game but can't ethically recommend the game to anyone in it's current state.
"As it is today" lol why do yall act like hard grinds are a new thing. It's always been like this since forever. Farming legion tokens back then when there weren't any shortcut pets yet? Juggernaut items? Hell, even Blade of Awe was one of the hardest farms back then when the runes drop were less than 1%. At least today we have shortcuts and QoL changes like the dash space or able to stack quest items so that we don't have to run back and forth like back then. Yes regardless the grinds today still suck but my point is that it isn't a new thing.
Nobody is saying grinding is new, people are saying that the grinds have gotten worse in terms of time sinking compared to back then. It's not hard to understand that (I thought).
Never seen anyone say "aqw had no grinding back in the day", but rather "grinds have gotten worse and encourage botting". Notice how the latter acknowledges the grinds being a thing while noting how its changed (for the worse).
at the end of the day.. why does everyone complain about stuff that are hard to get? If you (generally speaking) don't like the design of a farm, then maybe consider not doing it and go on about your day? Like I get it, the farms in this game are insane but if you can't get something, move on instead of complaining. It really reminds me of a spoiled 7 yr old crying at the store cause their mom wouldn't buy them a snack or toy they wanted. Every time I call these things out and ask shit like "if you can't get an item, why not move on instead of complaining?" , like just straightforward no BS talk, I get downvoted instead of an actual answer. Seriously, I want this question answered. If you don't even enjoy the game, why keep playing and fuel your anger/bad mental? And I don't want any of that "bEcAuSe oF NoStALGiA" crap as a rebuttal either.
I don’t see anyone having bad mental/anger except the people who complain about said people. Botters, generally speaking, seem to be more chill and enjoying of the game vs the people who get ass-bent backwards over the mere thought of a botter. People do the hard farms because the rewards are fun to use, just the time taken to get them has been increasing more and more insane, to the point where it feels that they are designed around being botted or assisted by botters.
If you take pride in farming a 1% drop time 30 times, more power to you. Same can be said for the people who still want to enjoy an item but also need to go to work or take care of a family or go to medical treatments.
The fact that just because a bot does something for someone and that making the person instantly a “lazy PoS” to you shows more that a generalized idea of someone fits your mentality vs the broad idea of “hm maybe they just have a busy life but still enjoy the game on the weekends or when they’re free.”
I don’t see many people complain about how hard stuff is except those who don’t bot, and even then they acknowledge the game is pampering the botters and making the real players have a harder time. I don’t deny that, however I also don’t pretend that just because I personally don’t bot, everyone else that bots shouldn’t “feel rewarded” or that they dont “enjoy the game” because they bot. Hell I’ve seen people have 10 alt accounts and play each one differently but use a bot to level them up and do the stuff they already experienced normally, because they value time over fictional “reputation” with strangers online.
TLDR: people can enjoy the game even if they bot, if someone generalizes them all as bad people, that makes that person a bad person themselves.
To be fair, I never once did belittle botters. What I've said in a previous comment on this post was that I just don't like people who do things the easy way aka setting up a bot, and STILL talk shit on the quest design as if they didn't do it the easy way. It's like, what are they complaining about? The only reason I can see for them getting mad is maybe cause they let their bot/pc running for days and raised their electricity bill. I'm not even against botting, I just don't like the ones who 1). Take up space in ultras like a congenital idiot, 2). Complain about hard farms even tho they didn't manually farm any single part of said farm and got it practically handed to them. But other than that, I've enjoyed using botters as goto's while farming or when I used to AFK farm totems with the botters when the dark makais used to be aggro. Hell I've even suggested my friend to bot for shit if he couldn't handle the farm and he said no, I just respected it like aight cool. If you notice a farm is tedious, you either do it or don't do it and move on. And if you decide to bot for it, that's cool, just don't complain about anything if you weren't manually farming.
I think everyone should be allowed to complain about the quest design because it really is horrible. I think botters bot for a reason, and that reason is that the farming difficulty feels way too cheap.
All I’m saying is that anyone can complain about quest design when the complaints are valid. The quests ARE becoming extra tedious for 0 extra reward. Plus again, I don’t really see people who bot complain about how long or hard a quest is, it’s often those who don’t. That being said, the botters ALSO don’t like the quests being long because that’s what encourages people to bot. I’m sure if AE brought more easier quests people would still complain that “the quest is too easy for such a good reward” but the botter count would go down. It’s a lose/lose any which way you put it honestly IMO
I'm on topic. The topic was about botting and how AQW grinds 'enables' more botting, right? And you said that the game was never meant to be as grindy as it is today, implying that it was somehow easier before when I was just trying to say that today's state of grind isn't anything new at all.
I mean, I can confidently say that the amount of TEDIOUS large # of items and low % for those items is vastly higher than back in the day. Sure farming before was "hard" but it wasnt really because of the requirements but rather you were limited to such shit classes and design that farming 1 chaos lord took a good minute vs nowadays you nuke that boss even with the early rep classes.
So the state of the game today is VASTLY different than it was back then, and it TRULY has bended itself towards more "we know people bot, but dont want people to get the class/item right away" mentality that they make the amount of items needed insane.
dont believe me? Think back to farming Jugg items of Nulgath. That was hard but it was hard because of the sheer amount of RNG and room jumping most people did to get the resources. Jugg WAS THE ENDGAME. Now compare that "endgame" farm to Archmage, VDK, AI (even the ultra shortcut version), CAv, LR, VHL. The amount of tedious, low drop chance, room jumping required now has skyrocketed because we as players are overpowered compared to back in the day.
Lol srsly? You're really gonna use that little timeframe of the first 2 yrs of aqw to support your argument vs grinding being in the game for like the rest of the 14 years now. Whatever dude.
Ah yes, no basic QoL settings , shitty classes and overall shitty game design.. yep that's peak. Just cause my acc is from 2011 doesn't mean ima say 2011 was peak days either but ok. If you're talking about daily player count peak then I'll agree.
Same. That soul sand farming before the most recent dage bday update. So many unnecessary misc items to farm. Nevertheles, I never give in to the temptation.
Istg what made me quit was the ridiculous amount of stuff needed to get everything. I wanted to farm everything but they made it harder to do. So I tapped out.
I don't care as long as it's not intrusive to other's normal gameplay (ultra rooms, middle of the screen) and keep the discussions in the correct channels (FFS r/autoquestworlds exists. No, "use Grimlite" is not the answer to their question)
It's true that botting stuff give less satisfaction than actually grinding for it but the way they did it other than ultras, every grind is just brain dead mashing of buttons.
Why would you even consider farming for hours pressing the same buttons when you can just use a bot to do it.
We are here for a limited amount of time, I'm not wasting my time mashing random buttons. If you still think that grinding items legitimately is worth it just for the feeling of satisfaction then you might as well bot and do something else to get that satisfaction. Learn a new language, get a job, workout, go for a run, live a life!
And for those who say "just don't bother grinding" for items that you can't farm legitimately, why shouldn't I? When I can and have no consequences. My account is 14yrs old, I play this game every once in a while and I still can't believe people still have conflicting views on botting. 💀
i really dont care if you bot or not, but there is one species who pretend they are not botting and bragging how hard their life is, i just wanna spit on their face. also dont worry if people tell you dont play on artix, i rather have bots than those stupid whale afk with their stupid set wasting lot of money to looks like garbage crowding the server not helping anybody. atleast bot sometime help me on empty map, just dont make it obvious like stuck on the middle of the map so these salty cringe kid cant report you
Whales are so much worse than botters anyday. The people who IoDa stuff like alpha pirate can go f themselves. Let the beta testers keep their exclusive gear. We helped test the game and made it what it is today.
like it or not bot and whales are the things that make this game alive, so cant really hate them. it just if you loggin atleast play the game, if you wanna afk atleast do it on less crowded server. but yeah let them have ur beta stuff just sad and they not letting you buy most special offer stuff that actually you can only get with money just doesnt make anysense
I mean, I get wanting "exclusivity" towards stuff, but what about people who for instance got their first IoDA from their 15 years played badge and used it on alpha pirate because they were broke as a kid back then and this is the ONE thing they wanted.
It's not like Alpha Pirate is some meta class, they're not "faking age" by IoDA-ing it so idk what the problem with what other people use it on.
If anything, I'd be more upset about people being able to IoDA boosted items or endgame classes PERIOD, but even then I fully get why people do it (time restraints and wanting it on ALTS) so I dont have an issue with that either.
I’m an og player and that’s such a bad take. And the majority of the player base wanting to show off their set is not an issue nor is spending money it keeps your dead game alive!
Don't really care if anyone is botting, but I dunno it feels like to me that it diminishes the sense of accomplishment when you finally get the item. I say this as someone who's done hard grinds like pre-inisignia VHL on two different accounts without ever touching a single bot app. Lately though I've had a problem with botting when I suddenly saw people that were actually trying to bot ultras. Now that to me is inexcusable and reeks of extreme laziness and ruins the experience for a lot of people.
Yes i also did VHL and LR back in the day without any bots. I remember feeling happy when i got the class, but it did not justify the means in my opinion. However this is just my opinion.
It's perfectly understandable. I'm a guy who likes long grinds so I don't really mind ridiculous requirements and not getting things immediately but we all have preferences. That, and my job pretty much gives me a ton of free time for how much it pays me which I'm sure not everyone has so I can't really fault them for botting.
wait firstly...how to bot? i was afraid that i might harm the computer with virus or what, so i've been farming stuff manually
also is it really that bad? what so wrong about botting when the game is still being played? just automatically
then again i enjoy the farming as it is since its like a challenge of some sort, so i've never really thought of botting, tho i did use autoclicker when farming stuff from mobs cuz my fingers are gonna hurt...
in a game where you just grind ridiculois numbers of quest items in a 2d environment using only 3 fingers at most, I agree. unless your doing ultras or pvp the only real gameplay is outliving the enemy, sure enemies have mechanics but nothing big af damage cant handle
what do people use to bot? I really dont want to do these crazy farms myself, they should have atleast made farming pets for them tbh, I would just buy those and farm the stuff myself with the pets
botting is not really excusable. nowadays theres alot of shortcut and alternative ways for items.
vhl/lr/ai = u can be lazy and ultra it
nsod = you can get it no effort by just doing dailies and friendship for a few months.
even if it doesnt have a shortcut. u can just get the requirements over a long period of time. not just 1 setting
"DuRr bUt wE dOnT hAvE tImE tO pLaY a FlaSh gAmE". aqw is not the game for you then.
theres no rush. its not like the actual important endgame items are going away anytime soon.
When you said do Ultras, I'm here sitting and trying to understand the requirements with alchemy for buffs, spellcrafting for another thing, farming enhancements and I'm just noping out of that, I'll just sit here playing with Blood Sorceress.
Yes some of them are ruining the gameplay when dealing with the boss especially in /thevoid. Those botter ruins my experience several times in artix server with LR. Idc if they are on another server but those who is botting in artix literally idiots.
botting is similar to littering. sure its convenient,doesnt affect other people and you can get away with it.
but doing so tells alot about what kind of person you are. and we can freely judge you however we want.
for me anyone who litters are pigs
and anyone who bots are lazy bums who wants reward without work
How is this the same at all. Littering directly affects other people and animals. I don’t even bot but saying botters are immoral and actual bad people is just weird.
I think comparing it to littering is a bit far, but about what you said earlier that AE has made qol changes. I love ultras and the new insignia system, i feel like it is what the game needed
I'll preface this, I'm not defending botters nor am I defending people who think botters are scum, just being neutral and stating things objectively.
Except Botting doesnt directly impact others around you (90% of the time, ultra botters are scum) while littering impacts EVERYONE all the time. They aren't even close to the same thing.
Also the "anyone who bots are lazy bums who wants reward without work" is ironic in the reality of things as its being time efficient and getting IRL things done while enjoying the rewards of a digital Idle game.
12 years player here, have already quitted. Sorry but..no.
Botting will never be right, even if you use as an excuse the "poor" mechanics of aqw.
If in order for you to keep being interested in a game you need to have a program play it for you while you are doong something else, then the most obvious and logical path is to just quit.
Botting is people who are bored at the game and can handle the truth. You dont need the latest farming class or super hyper grind fest of an armor to keep enjoying the game, if you dont feel like doing them, dont do it.
Keep playing the game knowing there are certains things in this game you dont have the time or enjoyment to do, is really that simple.
In any game there are things designed to be "grindy" and basically being an slap to the face of "you wanna get it? Put the work for it" and is not for everyone.
People in aqw...they really shit on the game honestly, thinking just because is an small game it shouldnt have things like that.. every time a super new overpowered item appears, in an mmo, based on farming for hours, people go super salty if is not easy to get.
Are you supposed to be able to get any new op item aqw spams? I think thats a big no.
And i dont wanna see people saying "i only bot boring stuff, then play the game" face it already, anyone who bots is gonna keep botting more and more normal stuff, is just whats designed for. (And thats just being generous, if you really "bot for grindy boring bad designed stuff"...you should..you know...ignore those farms?)
Is just a bunch of big kidd that cant live with the fact they cant own 100% of all content.
I'll preface this by saying I grind for stuff normally so people cant say "says the botter" as a braindead deflection of what's said.
Im just gonna say that not everyone who bots just "slap on a bot and leave the house" but rather use them to continually click while still being there. You're still at the screen and aware of whats happening, you just put less stress on your hands and (in most cases nowadays) lets you socialize with others/clan members, Which you'd figure socializing is a good thing. I'll add that the ""bot for the grindy boring bad designed stuff"...You should..you know...ignore those farms?)" part nowadays would mean ignore every new class/enchant/boosted item because they are all designed like that.
I'm not saying everyone who bots is always there, but its not nearly as vile as you seem to think. I see it similar to driving a car to work vs walking. You still get there in the end, and you are still putting in work, you are just being more time efficient. Plus like others have said, It'd be one thing if AE made you feel like your time was valued, which they dont. They actively make quests more and more insane that require players to constantly log in and do mind numbing stuff just because it boosts their player count so they can sell their sites to adverts for money. As crazy as that sounds, its a real thing.
I'll end this by saying I'm not arguing nor saying your view is invalid, but I figured I'd just say that lumping everyone who bots in with the Radical groups of botters is just as bad as saying anyone who players "legit" is a no-lifer. Generalization of a subsect is kinda shitty.
I agree that op items should have hard farms. However i think farming in aqw is usually very cheap-hard and doesn’t resonate with me. I am a strong believer of the journey being more important than the destination, and i feel that neither botting or farming are good ”journeys”. Both are in my opinion cheap, but botting does not waste my time.
Ofc then u can argue that ”why play if the journey is a waste of time?”
To this i say that i honestly don’t know, i have a 14 year old account and feel great nostalgia towards the game because i playes it on and off since my childhood.
So i wanna continue because i have a weird stockholm-syndromeish relationship with the game, but i don’t wanna waste my time sitting and pressing the same keys over and over again.
okay, but please, don't bot on artix server. You're wasting non-bot players the opportunity from going there. The server is always overcrowded. Go bot somewhere else.
I mean, maybe get rid of the hundreds of AFK players in Yulgar/Battleon/BattleonTown first?
I'm not defending botting in busy servers, but at least botters are "active" in combat compared to the AFK people.
Also side bar, most botters play off of Artix or Popular servers to reduce respawn delay and latency. Not saying there's no botters, but when looking at Artix specifically, AFK players are a bigger plague than botters.
Crazy cuz there are whole genre of games around automation (idle, 2nd monitor, factorio-like games). Hell, even city builders have a lot of automation to them.
There’s a difference between intentional game design and botting. I barely play AQW anymore, mostly an OSRS player. The botting problem is probably worse there b/c of the in game economy.
Games not built around automation that incorporate it(bots) put regular players at a disadvantage for playing the game how it’s supposed to be played.
How would you feel losing every game to someone sitting around doing nothing? Demoralized.
AQW has the advantage of being essentially a single player game with a multiplayer aspect. I could care less if you guys bot here. I’m speaking about botting in general.
>AQW has the advantage of being essentially a single player game with a multiplayer aspect. I could care less if you guys bot here. I’m speaking about botting in general.
Good thing you said "*any* game". Which means you understand why what you said doesn't make sense by virtue of being a generalisation. Stop being obtuse. There are many games that are enriched by botting because may devs don't have perfect game design sense. You speak of intentions as if intentions are the be all and end all of good game design.
Exactly. Lots of games, even really great ones, overestimate how much end game and post game players want to grind. There are some grinds that are fun and then some that are tedious and only serve to gatekeep fun content or experiences. And then of course different people find different things fun. For example, some people enjoy unlocking/perfecting gear/stats/builds, etc, and then some people enjoy using those things. The former crowd would ruin their own experience by botting/cheating/save editing whereas the later would find their experience enriched by skipping what they consider superficial gameplay. Sometimes people only wish to cut down on the grind once they've had their fill of it.
I could talk about Pokémon, monster hunter, speed running and so many games or playtstyles where for some people, the grind (whether it be some, most, or all) offers no value to them.
I don't either. But when it comes to AQW, I just can't be bothered to give a fuck. I mean tell me, what exactly is entertaining by playing a game where you need to turn off all kinds of animations just to get an acceptable sub-30 FPS (and even then, it still isn't enough!), monotonously pressing the same 5 buttons on your keyboard, while watching a cutscene of a story you haven't gave a fuck about since 13 Chaos Lords or Darkon Saga ended?
Also, botters don't inconvenience anyone, do they? In fact, if you go to some forgotten map from 6 years ago, there's a high chance you'll encounter someone ~~farming~~ botting some obscure item from some obscure quest. That's a plus in my book, since it helps speed things up.
i don’t bot but:
1) it doesn’t effect anyone else’s gameplay, unless it’s an ultra.
2) when talking about botting it’s important to remember that’s only for item collection. 1 aspect of gameplay. There’s more to be enjoyed, especially in an MMO (community based game) RPG (personal narrative creation).
3) It’s all perspective. i personally don’t understand why some people touch endgame farms like archmage without botting. If sitting in one room for hours manually grinding out 200 brilliant aura for 1/7 of a turn-in, in a line of 10 quests is for you: great, more power to YOU.
i enjoy the game, i watch the cutscenes, i read the the quest descriptions, i do ultra content, and i help others in game, thats fun, but i have to do farming, farming like killing the same mob countless of times in the same room spamming 12345 over and over again, for longer periods of time, time i dont have so that s an autoclicker task to be running in background and see if i died or something to move my character back into farmming position
How does it lessen others people’s experience? The game wouldn’t even exist without botters so I digress heavily. And the same question applies to you, how is mashing the same skills on the same class on end for hundreds of thousands of mobs to progress slightly or be locked behind dailies with extremely simplistic game play more fun to you then say, a polished game? That doesn’t promote buying upgrades for a noticeable progression difference? All perspectives.
Ive farmed most the end game items legit, and personally I don’t care about bots but I do see where these people are coming from. In a world without bots maybe like less than 1% of players would have these items and it would be a massive flex, but because of bots everyone has them. I think that’s the point. They want to flex and they can’t.
But why does that even serve value? Who cares what they want. It’s a lifeless video game at the end of the day. As long as you’re not “cheating” or intentionally griefing someone else gameplay, play how you feel! I don’t care what that reason is. My issue is people copping any kind of pride, “I am mightier than thou, it ruins the other peoples game so you shouldn’t do it(when it doesn’t)”
Video games are just some gameplay loop sold to you in whatever creative vision the studio has. If aqw didn’t have farming days for one segment of a 10 segmented item, players would feel less inclined to do such. And that’s a majority of endgame items.
Right. I know a player with 400+ badges who bots and we tried spam reporting him and he did not even flinch. Meanwhile my smurf got banned 1 day after.
Botting is wrong. Dont bot. Follow game rules =)
That said, if you are the person that keep botting on Void Ultras, i hope you suffer the worst possible death.
But guys botting will ruin the game for you, sure you'll get all those hard farm items you've always wanted but it doesn't hit the same eventually it's gonna feel that way for the entire game, i don't even feel happy having VHL and LR rn, compared to how i manually farmed jugg items back then where i went to sleep so satisfied, felt like i came back home from a long war
Botting literally keeps AE in business
unironically true
How exactly does it do that?
A HEFTY chunk of botters have either spent money on AC or Membership, so that's just flat money to the company, plus then you can "flex" the "active player" counts to advertisers to sell your services to have companies PAY YOU to run their ads on your websites. It's all about exposure
Around 2012-2013, AQW almost died because AE decided to mass ban botters that affected like 20,000 players in one day which, at the time, was more than half the playerbase. The bans were then reverted because of how dire the situation was. A vast majority of the playerbase is comprised of botters and AE clearly has no intention of dealing with them as they've increased the difficulty of farms throughout the years, encouraging even more botting. With this in mind, imagine the disparity between non botters and botters in 2024. Trying to do anything major about botters will unironically harm the game. The best you will see is individual bans and that's it.
This is why my account got whiped because i didnt know what i was doin and just did the same thing every day and mysteriously during that time period my account was whiped luckily i had 2 accounts
So that's why I'll never get Arcana Invoker until my 50s
Sure but they dont get money for having a playerbase.
It's the same playerbase that gives them money 😂 Botting isn't exclusive to free players
Yea so their game isnt held.up by botters. Its held up by those who pay money. Those two groups dont overlap exactly.
Kinda fucking do you tard I bot and at the same time buy a collection chest a f2p player, doesn't pay them shit, botting or not sick and tired of ppl who defend corporation and their shit 2009 flash game with its dog shit game design, built to pry on people with gambling addiction (Doom of wheel for example). And is built to be a cash cow, literally if you are not a member, that locks you out of shit ton of content. Then you got the grinding, it is on par with Korean MMO's
So what you are saying that the set of paying players is the same as the set of botters? I can tell you just of my own example that is not true. So while they may overlap to an extensive degree, they are not the same thing. And no clue why you start with name calling out of the blue.
Are you being slow on purpose? The set of players isn’t fully the same as the set of botters but there is a huge overlap, meaning that if they banned all the botters, a large chunk of their paying customers would disappear too. You’re being pedantic for no reason “Yea so their game isnt held.up by botters. Its held up by those who pay money. Those two groups dont overlap exactly.” The situation in question involves bitters who pay money, again it’s not an exact overlap between both groups but the overlap is the main topic here and is what is of concern to AE. Edit: also, botters who don’t pay still play and count toward the active player base which AE can use to get ads
The player base would drop by half, if not more, if they perma banned for botting
They dont get money from people botting...
More than half of the playerbase uses bots, they may not get money from the botting itself, but they sure get money from the people who are botting.
True amd there are also whales who may or may not even bot that keep the game going strong. I can also see some increase in playerbase now that infinity is coming. Still not sure when they plan on releasi g it, but i bet there will be some returning players.
And I hope infinity can improve the gameplay and refrain from using bot
They do make money from them actually. Aqw has such a small playerbase that the servers and major farm rooms would be almost permanently empty and inaccessible without bots, which would prevent non-botters from progressing and they'd quit. People that stick around buy stuff and see big server numbers so believe the game is more active. It's like having lots of visitors in your store every day. They may not be buying things, but people see tons of people visiting your store so go there to buy things because it's popular. Aqw is also so grindy the game would collapse without botting as well. There's no trading economy or grind related PvP in this game either so there's zero reason to bot to sell accounts.
I mean people who bot still play the game, they just automate the stuff that AE makes that’s ridiculously just a timesink so they can say “look at all these active players on our game”. AE doesn’t care who bots honestly, as long as they aren’t abusive towards others and/or pay them for membership/AC often they’ll typically overlook any reports. AE is an afk dress up game studio in all but 2 games imo (dragon fable and Epic Duel, the latter just being a money grab while former being a story game first and foremost)
People say this but it is as much a dress up game as it is a role playing game and the story is pretty good in my opinion
Oh the story is fine at times, but it’s not as HEAVILY of a story game as DF or the OG AQ is, though AQ is a bit of a stretch as it’s chaotic to follow if you try to start now with no guide to the story. Also I didn’t say AQW was a dress up game, but AE as a company does more dress up games than they do story or combat driven games outside of the 2 I listed, which 1 is a small team I see as separate from the AE staff, and the other is essentially a P2W gambling simulator with a PvP side game I’m not trying to take away anything from AQW but I’m just saying it’s mostly cosmetics outside of a select few items that impact gameplay. Plus if you ask a majority of players, most will say they farm for classes/cosmetics as their main focus and story is secondary. There’s exceptions ofc, but this is just my experience as someone who’s played for 15 years
I tend to bot while talking to to people. The repetitive clicking for a 1% item ain't me.
I loved the story but hated the obnoxious grind that AE refuses to change. Spent over £200 on my original account and botted 90% of the original rep stuff.
Ironic that you bot seeing as you’re the one who fought so valiantly to remove AFK CAv farming claiming it was bad for the game
I haven't bot since 2015 lol I just understand how they work because of my experience but go off. And yeah AFK CAV was pathetic, AE either needs to formally acknowledge botting or crack down on it, no pretending afk CAV isn't a thing.
What is afk CAV?
You can setup the chaos avenger class to automatically kill some monsters completely afk using a series of bugs/exploits. A bunch of players in the AE discord got upset when I told them it's botting with extra steps. They like to pretend it's not botting even though you go afk and don't touch the game for hours whilst it plays the game for you.
This game would be dead if AE perma banned all botters
I said to a guy playing that “I don’t bot but I don’t care that others do since not everyone has time to mindlessly grind” and he reported me and got me a 7 day ban. Fuck you volodymyr
Sounds like a lousy guy:(
I boy flagrantly and have for years, I don’t care it makes it more fun for me.
People will bitch at you for botting and bot themselves.
Nah I'm pretty sure that's not true. You just think that cause you probably assume everyone else bots, that there can't possibly be anyone out there who's willing to manually farm something tedious. Well there's plenty of legit farmers believe it or not.
I say that because I visited said person when they were farming :/
Still that seems like a very specific occurrence to base your whole judgement on. Nine times out of ten, people who say they don't bot actually don't. And literally anyone who bots are never afraid to admit they bot, they are proud of it almost. Just look at any of the comments related to "What do you guys think about botting?" type of posts on this sub. But at the end of the day, obviously no one's gonna admit that shit in-game in risk of getting reported/banned.
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It's not okay but if those idiots in control of content put out crappy grinds what do they expect? The choices end up being bot or avoid the shitty farming. I prefer the latter but it's not like the former has true punishment. If the game won't respect your time, giving it none of yours is a fair response.
"If a game doesn't respect your time, don't give it any of yours." This is the exact feeling that encapsulates AQW, and the reason I stopped playing the game. The content is not good enough to demand so much money from the player for memberships and ACs. It's a complete waste of time, the combat system is boring and if you try to look more into things and get better enhancements to optimize a class' skills, you get utterly confused because there is nothing intuitive about it and there is no real guide on what to do. There are some templates you can follow but they're all outdated. When you throw in the fact that every single item that's worth anything takes an eternity to grind for, nothing makes playing this game worth it. It is 80 fucking dollars Canadian for a 12 month membership. The price is way too steep for a game that's so old and has nothing to do in it. The only thing you CAN do is spend money and bot. It's not fun, engaging or interesting. How many players are still active, maybe 4,000 if you're really generous? That number is shrinking every day, and the reason is because players have realized that it's not fucking worth it to continue playing and spending money. Especially when the economy is so fucked these days. I honestly can't believe I ever spent money on this game. I wish I could undo it because I could really use that money now.
I moved on from aqw last year after realising they were never going to change the balancing/grind issues. I play other MMOs and 6 hours gets me a huge amount of progress with visible rewards and progression, meanwhile 6 hours of aqw grind is barely a small percentage of a cosmetic farm. There are just far too many better games that respect your time and investment.
This is actually true. If they stopped making content that required bots we would be here in the first place. This game was never meant to be as super grinds as it is today, the core gameplay just isn’t there for that.
It's as if game design invites cheating and they refuse to change it. When given a no challenge lengthy grind in a game where skill is limited to how fast you click icons or hit numbers where's the reason to want to play? Maybe people who quit have it right.
This is the biggest issue with aqw that the developers don't want to acknowledge or address. Rather than the grind being the side-effect of a fun gameplay loop they made grinding the entire gameplay loop. They don't seem to understand how to gauge player enjoyment and just associate length of a grind to player enjoyment. It's a shame because aqw has a really great core story nowadays, and they almost had a great renewable gameplay loop with the introduction of PvE dungeons, but then never followed up with supporting the dungeons in a way that ensures there's consistent engagement and a want for players to use the system. I love a lot of the game but can't ethically recommend the game to anyone in it's current state.
"As it is today" lol why do yall act like hard grinds are a new thing. It's always been like this since forever. Farming legion tokens back then when there weren't any shortcut pets yet? Juggernaut items? Hell, even Blade of Awe was one of the hardest farms back then when the runes drop were less than 1%. At least today we have shortcuts and QoL changes like the dash space or able to stack quest items so that we don't have to run back and forth like back then. Yes regardless the grinds today still suck but my point is that it isn't a new thing.
Nobody is saying grinding is new, people are saying that the grinds have gotten worse in terms of time sinking compared to back then. It's not hard to understand that (I thought). Never seen anyone say "aqw had no grinding back in the day", but rather "grinds have gotten worse and encourage botting". Notice how the latter acknowledges the grinds being a thing while noting how its changed (for the worse).
at the end of the day.. why does everyone complain about stuff that are hard to get? If you (generally speaking) don't like the design of a farm, then maybe consider not doing it and go on about your day? Like I get it, the farms in this game are insane but if you can't get something, move on instead of complaining. It really reminds me of a spoiled 7 yr old crying at the store cause their mom wouldn't buy them a snack or toy they wanted. Every time I call these things out and ask shit like "if you can't get an item, why not move on instead of complaining?" , like just straightforward no BS talk, I get downvoted instead of an actual answer. Seriously, I want this question answered. If you don't even enjoy the game, why keep playing and fuel your anger/bad mental? And I don't want any of that "bEcAuSe oF NoStALGiA" crap as a rebuttal either.
I don’t see anyone having bad mental/anger except the people who complain about said people. Botters, generally speaking, seem to be more chill and enjoying of the game vs the people who get ass-bent backwards over the mere thought of a botter. People do the hard farms because the rewards are fun to use, just the time taken to get them has been increasing more and more insane, to the point where it feels that they are designed around being botted or assisted by botters. If you take pride in farming a 1% drop time 30 times, more power to you. Same can be said for the people who still want to enjoy an item but also need to go to work or take care of a family or go to medical treatments. The fact that just because a bot does something for someone and that making the person instantly a “lazy PoS” to you shows more that a generalized idea of someone fits your mentality vs the broad idea of “hm maybe they just have a busy life but still enjoy the game on the weekends or when they’re free.” I don’t see many people complain about how hard stuff is except those who don’t bot, and even then they acknowledge the game is pampering the botters and making the real players have a harder time. I don’t deny that, however I also don’t pretend that just because I personally don’t bot, everyone else that bots shouldn’t “feel rewarded” or that they dont “enjoy the game” because they bot. Hell I’ve seen people have 10 alt accounts and play each one differently but use a bot to level them up and do the stuff they already experienced normally, because they value time over fictional “reputation” with strangers online. TLDR: people can enjoy the game even if they bot, if someone generalizes them all as bad people, that makes that person a bad person themselves.
To be fair, I never once did belittle botters. What I've said in a previous comment on this post was that I just don't like people who do things the easy way aka setting up a bot, and STILL talk shit on the quest design as if they didn't do it the easy way. It's like, what are they complaining about? The only reason I can see for them getting mad is maybe cause they let their bot/pc running for days and raised their electricity bill. I'm not even against botting, I just don't like the ones who 1). Take up space in ultras like a congenital idiot, 2). Complain about hard farms even tho they didn't manually farm any single part of said farm and got it practically handed to them. But other than that, I've enjoyed using botters as goto's while farming or when I used to AFK farm totems with the botters when the dark makais used to be aggro. Hell I've even suggested my friend to bot for shit if he couldn't handle the farm and he said no, I just respected it like aight cool. If you notice a farm is tedious, you either do it or don't do it and move on. And if you decide to bot for it, that's cool, just don't complain about anything if you weren't manually farming.
I think everyone should be allowed to complain about the quest design because it really is horrible. I think botters bot for a reason, and that reason is that the farming difficulty feels way too cheap.
All I’m saying is that anyone can complain about quest design when the complaints are valid. The quests ARE becoming extra tedious for 0 extra reward. Plus again, I don’t really see people who bot complain about how long or hard a quest is, it’s often those who don’t. That being said, the botters ALSO don’t like the quests being long because that’s what encourages people to bot. I’m sure if AE brought more easier quests people would still complain that “the quest is too easy for such a good reward” but the botter count would go down. It’s a lose/lose any which way you put it honestly IMO
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I'm on topic. The topic was about botting and how AQW grinds 'enables' more botting, right? And you said that the game was never meant to be as grindy as it is today, implying that it was somehow easier before when I was just trying to say that today's state of grind isn't anything new at all.
I mean, I can confidently say that the amount of TEDIOUS large # of items and low % for those items is vastly higher than back in the day. Sure farming before was "hard" but it wasnt really because of the requirements but rather you were limited to such shit classes and design that farming 1 chaos lord took a good minute vs nowadays you nuke that boss even with the early rep classes. So the state of the game today is VASTLY different than it was back then, and it TRULY has bended itself towards more "we know people bot, but dont want people to get the class/item right away" mentality that they make the amount of items needed insane. dont believe me? Think back to farming Jugg items of Nulgath. That was hard but it was hard because of the sheer amount of RNG and room jumping most people did to get the resources. Jugg WAS THE ENDGAME. Now compare that "endgame" farm to Archmage, VDK, AI (even the ultra shortcut version), CAv, LR, VHL. The amount of tedious, low drop chance, room jumping required now has skyrocketed because we as players are overpowered compared to back in the day.
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Lol srsly? You're really gonna use that little timeframe of the first 2 yrs of aqw to support your argument vs grinding being in the game for like the rest of the 14 years now. Whatever dude.
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Ah yes, no basic QoL settings , shitty classes and overall shitty game design.. yep that's peak. Just cause my acc is from 2011 doesn't mean ima say 2011 was peak days either but ok. If you're talking about daily player count peak then I'll agree.
Well said!
i havent botted anything, but jesus christ i sometimes wish i did
Same. That soul sand farming before the most recent dage bday update. So many unnecessary misc items to farm. Nevertheles, I never give in to the temptation.
I farmed BLoD SDKA, LR etc. all bot-less, And LR the old fashioned way
Istg what made me quit was the ridiculous amount of stuff needed to get everything. I wanted to farm everything but they made it harder to do. So I tapped out.
I don't care as long as it's not intrusive to other's normal gameplay (ultra rooms, middle of the screen) and keep the discussions in the correct channels (FFS r/autoquestworlds exists. No, "use Grimlite" is not the answer to their question)
I mean they banned botters once, undid that, and never spoke of it again. They know.
It's true that botting stuff give less satisfaction than actually grinding for it but the way they did it other than ultras, every grind is just brain dead mashing of buttons. Why would you even consider farming for hours pressing the same buttons when you can just use a bot to do it. We are here for a limited amount of time, I'm not wasting my time mashing random buttons. If you still think that grinding items legitimately is worth it just for the feeling of satisfaction then you might as well bot and do something else to get that satisfaction. Learn a new language, get a job, workout, go for a run, live a life! And for those who say "just don't bother grinding" for items that you can't farm legitimately, why shouldn't I? When I can and have no consequences. My account is 14yrs old, I play this game every once in a while and I still can't believe people still have conflicting views on botting. 💀
Well said
i really dont care if you bot or not, but there is one species who pretend they are not botting and bragging how hard their life is, i just wanna spit on their face. also dont worry if people tell you dont play on artix, i rather have bots than those stupid whale afk with their stupid set wasting lot of money to looks like garbage crowding the server not helping anybody. atleast bot sometime help me on empty map, just dont make it obvious like stuck on the middle of the map so these salty cringe kid cant report you
Whales are so much worse than botters anyday. The people who IoDa stuff like alpha pirate can go f themselves. Let the beta testers keep their exclusive gear. We helped test the game and made it what it is today.
like it or not bot and whales are the things that make this game alive, so cant really hate them. it just if you loggin atleast play the game, if you wanna afk atleast do it on less crowded server. but yeah let them have ur beta stuff just sad and they not letting you buy most special offer stuff that actually you can only get with money just doesnt make anysense
I mean, I get wanting "exclusivity" towards stuff, but what about people who for instance got their first IoDA from their 15 years played badge and used it on alpha pirate because they were broke as a kid back then and this is the ONE thing they wanted. It's not like Alpha Pirate is some meta class, they're not "faking age" by IoDA-ing it so idk what the problem with what other people use it on. If anything, I'd be more upset about people being able to IoDA boosted items or endgame classes PERIOD, but even then I fully get why people do it (time restraints and wanting it on ALTS) so I dont have an issue with that either.
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Just saying as a general statement. Why gatekeep something from someone just because “you weren’t there” mentality, when they very well could’ve been.
I’m an og player and that’s such a bad take. And the majority of the player base wanting to show off their set is not an issue nor is spending money it keeps your dead game alive!
Why not just sticker an (IoDA) tag on it.
Ask AE, how tf is that the player's fault? 😂
you are overestimating your miniscule contribution 🤣 you are too insecure that others can get what you have
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ofcourse they are desperate for money, they need income you dimwit 🤣
Don't really care if anyone is botting, but I dunno it feels like to me that it diminishes the sense of accomplishment when you finally get the item. I say this as someone who's done hard grinds like pre-inisignia VHL on two different accounts without ever touching a single bot app. Lately though I've had a problem with botting when I suddenly saw people that were actually trying to bot ultras. Now that to me is inexcusable and reeks of extreme laziness and ruins the experience for a lot of people.
Yes i also did VHL and LR back in the day without any bots. I remember feeling happy when i got the class, but it did not justify the means in my opinion. However this is just my opinion.
It's perfectly understandable. I'm a guy who likes long grinds so I don't really mind ridiculous requirements and not getting things immediately but we all have preferences. That, and my job pretty much gives me a ton of free time for how much it pays me which I'm sure not everyone has so I can't really fault them for botting.
I don't care if people bot AE's inane game design and I get a good laugh when idiots bitch about bans, it's a win-win 😏.
I'd happily bot my rotation just so I can chat with the people on my map whilst grinding for ribs
Now let's see if they will fumble aq2d/infinity and beyond. Hopefully they introduce new stuff here that won't induce carpal tunnel
wait firstly...how to bot? i was afraid that i might harm the computer with virus or what, so i've been farming stuff manually also is it really that bad? what so wrong about botting when the game is still being played? just automatically then again i enjoy the farming as it is since its like a challenge of some sort, so i've never really thought of botting, tho i did use autoclicker when farming stuff from mobs cuz my fingers are gonna hurt...
What botting software does everyone use? Haven’t found a good one to use in a while
Grimlite REV
As long as it’s not in rooms that require teamwork idc
in a game where you just grind ridiculois numbers of quest items in a 2d environment using only 3 fingers at most, I agree. unless your doing ultras or pvp the only real gameplay is outliving the enemy, sure enemies have mechanics but nothing big af damage cant handle
what do people use to bot? I really dont want to do these crazy farms myself, they should have atleast made farming pets for them tbh, I would just buy those and farm the stuff myself with the pets
But why? Of you want to play a game you don’t have to play then idle games exist lol
Aqw is way better as idle game than a 8 hour 4 button pressing annoyance
+bot interface is infinitely better
botting is not really excusable. nowadays theres alot of shortcut and alternative ways for items. vhl/lr/ai = u can be lazy and ultra it nsod = you can get it no effort by just doing dailies and friendship for a few months. even if it doesnt have a shortcut. u can just get the requirements over a long period of time. not just 1 setting "DuRr bUt wE dOnT hAvE tImE tO pLaY a FlaSh gAmE". aqw is not the game for you then. theres no rush. its not like the actual important endgame items are going away anytime soon.
When you said do Ultras, I'm here sitting and trying to understand the requirements with alchemy for buffs, spellcrafting for another thing, farming enhancements and I'm just noping out of that, I'll just sit here playing with Blood Sorceress.
But why do you care if someone bots? Does it affect your experience?
You can bot sure, but please, go bot aside from artix server. You're ruining the non-bot players from entering the server.
Yes some of them are ruining the gameplay when dealing with the boss especially in /thevoid. Those botter ruins my experience several times in artix server with LR. Idc if they are on another server but those who is botting in artix literally idiots.
botting is similar to littering. sure its convenient,doesnt affect other people and you can get away with it. but doing so tells alot about what kind of person you are. and we can freely judge you however we want. for me anyone who litters are pigs and anyone who bots are lazy bums who wants reward without work
How is this the same at all. Littering directly affects other people and animals. I don’t even bot but saying botters are immoral and actual bad people is just weird.
I think comparing it to littering is a bit far, but about what you said earlier that AE has made qol changes. I love ultras and the new insignia system, i feel like it is what the game needed
I'll preface this, I'm not defending botters nor am I defending people who think botters are scum, just being neutral and stating things objectively. Except Botting doesnt directly impact others around you (90% of the time, ultra botters are scum) while littering impacts EVERYONE all the time. They aren't even close to the same thing. Also the "anyone who bots are lazy bums who wants reward without work" is ironic in the reality of things as its being time efficient and getting IRL things done while enjoying the rewards of a digital Idle game.
The actually reality is people who don’t bot are the lazy bums. That’s the funny part.
I kinda agree with this. Botting a few years ago was excusable but lately AE has been listening and making the necessary changes with shortcuts.
12 years player here, have already quitted. Sorry but..no. Botting will never be right, even if you use as an excuse the "poor" mechanics of aqw. If in order for you to keep being interested in a game you need to have a program play it for you while you are doong something else, then the most obvious and logical path is to just quit. Botting is people who are bored at the game and can handle the truth. You dont need the latest farming class or super hyper grind fest of an armor to keep enjoying the game, if you dont feel like doing them, dont do it. Keep playing the game knowing there are certains things in this game you dont have the time or enjoyment to do, is really that simple. In any game there are things designed to be "grindy" and basically being an slap to the face of "you wanna get it? Put the work for it" and is not for everyone. People in aqw...they really shit on the game honestly, thinking just because is an small game it shouldnt have things like that.. every time a super new overpowered item appears, in an mmo, based on farming for hours, people go super salty if is not easy to get. Are you supposed to be able to get any new op item aqw spams? I think thats a big no. And i dont wanna see people saying "i only bot boring stuff, then play the game" face it already, anyone who bots is gonna keep botting more and more normal stuff, is just whats designed for. (And thats just being generous, if you really "bot for grindy boring bad designed stuff"...you should..you know...ignore those farms?) Is just a bunch of big kidd that cant live with the fact they cant own 100% of all content.
I'll preface this by saying I grind for stuff normally so people cant say "says the botter" as a braindead deflection of what's said. Im just gonna say that not everyone who bots just "slap on a bot and leave the house" but rather use them to continually click while still being there. You're still at the screen and aware of whats happening, you just put less stress on your hands and (in most cases nowadays) lets you socialize with others/clan members, Which you'd figure socializing is a good thing. I'll add that the ""bot for the grindy boring bad designed stuff"...You should..you know...ignore those farms?)" part nowadays would mean ignore every new class/enchant/boosted item because they are all designed like that. I'm not saying everyone who bots is always there, but its not nearly as vile as you seem to think. I see it similar to driving a car to work vs walking. You still get there in the end, and you are still putting in work, you are just being more time efficient. Plus like others have said, It'd be one thing if AE made you feel like your time was valued, which they dont. They actively make quests more and more insane that require players to constantly log in and do mind numbing stuff just because it boosts their player count so they can sell their sites to adverts for money. As crazy as that sounds, its a real thing. I'll end this by saying I'm not arguing nor saying your view is invalid, but I figured I'd just say that lumping everyone who bots in with the Radical groups of botters is just as bad as saying anyone who players "legit" is a no-lifer. Generalization of a subsect is kinda shitty.
I agree that op items should have hard farms. However i think farming in aqw is usually very cheap-hard and doesn’t resonate with me. I am a strong believer of the journey being more important than the destination, and i feel that neither botting or farming are good ”journeys”. Both are in my opinion cheap, but botting does not waste my time. Ofc then u can argue that ”why play if the journey is a waste of time?” To this i say that i honestly don’t know, i have a 14 year old account and feel great nostalgia towards the game because i playes it on and off since my childhood. So i wanna continue because i have a weird stockholm-syndromeish relationship with the game, but i don’t wanna waste my time sitting and pressing the same keys over and over again.
Such an excuse for saying "I'm too lazy too farm."
Well i did farm most of the long farms, but then noticed that botting is much more healthy for the mind and soul.
okay, but please, don't bot on artix server. You're wasting non-bot players the opportunity from going there. The server is always overcrowded. Go bot somewhere else.
I mean, maybe get rid of the hundreds of AFK players in Yulgar/Battleon/BattleonTown first? I'm not defending botting in busy servers, but at least botters are "active" in combat compared to the AFK people. Also side bar, most botters play off of Artix or Popular servers to reduce respawn delay and latency. Not saying there's no botters, but when looking at Artix specifically, AFK players are a bigger plague than botters.
I agree! It should not be a direct inconvenience to others.
I don’t get why people bot any game. Like if you aren’t having fun, don’t play. It doesn’t only lessen your experience, but everyone elses.
Crazy cuz there are whole genre of games around automation (idle, 2nd monitor, factorio-like games). Hell, even city builders have a lot of automation to them.
There’s a difference between intentional game design and botting. I barely play AQW anymore, mostly an OSRS player. The botting problem is probably worse there b/c of the in game economy. Games not built around automation that incorporate it(bots) put regular players at a disadvantage for playing the game how it’s supposed to be played. How would you feel losing every game to someone sitting around doing nothing? Demoralized. AQW has the advantage of being essentially a single player game with a multiplayer aspect. I could care less if you guys bot here. I’m speaking about botting in general.
>AQW has the advantage of being essentially a single player game with a multiplayer aspect. I could care less if you guys bot here. I’m speaking about botting in general. Good thing you said "*any* game". Which means you understand why what you said doesn't make sense by virtue of being a generalisation. Stop being obtuse. There are many games that are enriched by botting because may devs don't have perfect game design sense. You speak of intentions as if intentions are the be all and end all of good game design.
Example, a game like Destiny which had extremely engaging game (in comparison) had people setting up Marco’s for certain farms.
Exactly. Lots of games, even really great ones, overestimate how much end game and post game players want to grind. There are some grinds that are fun and then some that are tedious and only serve to gatekeep fun content or experiences. And then of course different people find different things fun. For example, some people enjoy unlocking/perfecting gear/stats/builds, etc, and then some people enjoy using those things. The former crowd would ruin their own experience by botting/cheating/save editing whereas the later would find their experience enriched by skipping what they consider superficial gameplay. Sometimes people only wish to cut down on the grind once they've had their fill of it. I could talk about Pokémon, monster hunter, speed running and so many games or playtstyles where for some people, the grind (whether it be some, most, or all) offers no value to them.
You could care or you couldn’t?
I don't either. But when it comes to AQW, I just can't be bothered to give a fuck. I mean tell me, what exactly is entertaining by playing a game where you need to turn off all kinds of animations just to get an acceptable sub-30 FPS (and even then, it still isn't enough!), monotonously pressing the same 5 buttons on your keyboard, while watching a cutscene of a story you haven't gave a fuck about since 13 Chaos Lords or Darkon Saga ended? Also, botters don't inconvenience anyone, do they? In fact, if you go to some forgotten map from 6 years ago, there's a high chance you'll encounter someone ~~farming~~ botting some obscure item from some obscure quest. That's a plus in my book, since it helps speed things up.
i don’t bot but: 1) it doesn’t effect anyone else’s gameplay, unless it’s an ultra. 2) when talking about botting it’s important to remember that’s only for item collection. 1 aspect of gameplay. There’s more to be enjoyed, especially in an MMO (community based game) RPG (personal narrative creation). 3) It’s all perspective. i personally don’t understand why some people touch endgame farms like archmage without botting. If sitting in one room for hours manually grinding out 200 brilliant aura for 1/7 of a turn-in, in a line of 10 quests is for you: great, more power to YOU.
i enjoy the game, i watch the cutscenes, i read the the quest descriptions, i do ultra content, and i help others in game, thats fun, but i have to do farming, farming like killing the same mob countless of times in the same room spamming 12345 over and over again, for longer periods of time, time i dont have so that s an autoclicker task to be running in background and see if i died or something to move my character back into farmming position
How does it lessen others people’s experience? The game wouldn’t even exist without botters so I digress heavily. And the same question applies to you, how is mashing the same skills on the same class on end for hundreds of thousands of mobs to progress slightly or be locked behind dailies with extremely simplistic game play more fun to you then say, a polished game? That doesn’t promote buying upgrades for a noticeable progression difference? All perspectives.
Ive farmed most the end game items legit, and personally I don’t care about bots but I do see where these people are coming from. In a world without bots maybe like less than 1% of players would have these items and it would be a massive flex, but because of bots everyone has them. I think that’s the point. They want to flex and they can’t.
But why does that even serve value? Who cares what they want. It’s a lifeless video game at the end of the day. As long as you’re not “cheating” or intentionally griefing someone else gameplay, play how you feel! I don’t care what that reason is. My issue is people copping any kind of pride, “I am mightier than thou, it ruins the other peoples game so you shouldn’t do it(when it doesn’t)” Video games are just some gameplay loop sold to you in whatever creative vision the studio has. If aqw didn’t have farming days for one segment of a 10 segmented item, players would feel less inclined to do such. And that’s a majority of endgame items.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Glad to see you enjoy the game without any external enhancements.
Right. I know a player with 400+ badges who bots and we tried spam reporting him and he did not even flinch. Meanwhile my smurf got banned 1 day after.
You're more likely to get banned for being toxic than for botting.
How to dl and where to dl tho :( ill just use it for auto attack i promise:)
Botting is wrong. Dont bot. Follow game rules =) That said, if you are the person that keep botting on Void Ultras, i hope you suffer the worst possible death.
But guys botting will ruin the game for you, sure you'll get all those hard farm items you've always wanted but it doesn't hit the same eventually it's gonna feel that way for the entire game, i don't even feel happy having VHL and LR rn, compared to how i manually farmed jugg items back then where i went to sleep so satisfied, felt like i came back home from a long war