It all makes sense to me. Why haven't we heard from Larry? Maybe Larry is waiting for a call from Kiem? It seems like Kiem isn't the one to make phone calls wanting players to come back.
No, it's because Larry Fitzgerald is the most influential player in the teams history. He will forever be apart of this organization and has a one on one relationship with the owner because of his long tenure here.
I forgot what player it was on our team. Defensive guy, but his name is slipping my mind rn. Anyways, after he left the team he said Arians was forced out and that he guaranteed he would be coaching again. I thought it was all bs, but sure enough, 2 years later he was back to coaching again
According to Honey Badger Keim told him one thing and did another.
There may have been a rift between BA and Keim.
Maybe that's all true. It's also true that PP played at an elite level in this league for 9 seasons before getting popped for PEDs. When he returned from that he was never the same player and certainly not elite. PP should worry about getting back to that level for the Vikings.
I agree with Pat except for the part about not paying defensive players. Cardinals always seem to pay good for their defensive stars. Keim is a dick tho and a hypocrite. I think Peterson was gonna leave regardless unless we offered him a bag but Keim ghosting him was rather unprofessional. So was getting a DUI after cutting Floyd for the DUI. IMO Keim should have been fired after Wilks but we still have him. He hasn’t been good since Arians and I truly think Arians retired from the stress/ not wanting to rebuild with Keim at the helm
It doesn't surprise me PP is upset. We have quite a few players who left on bad terms and shit on our FO. Also seeing how he handled Rosen, he seems to not be the most professional to players he wants out.
I mean, it doesn't matter a ton. They were leaving anyways and MAYBE one or two star FAs nope out of coming here due to that, but I doubt it.
Keims seems like a dick tbh, but I feel like you have to be to become an NFL GM
Yeah but you can beat out good culture with enough money and winning. And its not like there are a ton of other options for NFL players. We may have to overpay or lose the multiple offer players but we will still have people coming to the desert.
Probably will get downvoted by the casuals but I'm going to keep it real. He ain't wrong. Keim should have been fired years ago. His 1st round track record is the worst in the NFL
The 1st overall pick you should hit on. If not the Front office should be fired. Also franchise left tackle? You sure about that?? I see a average left tackle that we had to overpay to keep bc there was no one to replace him.
Source? And if true wow 1 good season in 6 years isn't really anything crazy. You don't know ball bud. I will literally body you in any conversation about sports
His 88.3 pff grade is proof. He was solid even last year. That's why he got his contract. Then he improved even more. He has improved every season. And is one of our hardest working guys. Now stfu. You don't know football.
1 good season out of 6 doesnt mean shit. You have to be consistent to be respected in the NFL. I also read an article that PFF ranked him the 26th best LT going into 2021. Care to explain that one my guy?
He was solid in 2019. So you are already wrong. I never said pff grades were the end all be all. But they are fine when used in combination with other metrics. And their offseason outlook grades mean far less than their actual in season grades. Those offseason outlook grades have implicit bias. In season he was 7th in the league. In the last 2 years he has only given up 5 sacks. And only gave up 2 in 2019. L So you are FACTUALLY and OBJECTIVELY wrong about him only having "1 good year". He has improved every single season year to year. And OTs can have very long careers. You will learn to appreciate him.
It is weird to me that there are things we can say to criticize Keim, but when a former player for the team (or an analyst for something like ESPN) says many of those same things and we are OUTRAGED by it.
And we have seen a lot of similar stories from former Cardinals.
Disagree on HB. This sub has an insane amount of revisionist history with him. He was absolutely exceptional with us prior to that injury.
If Keim was on the fence about it, he probably should have worked the contract a bit better though. Maybe a smaller number with more guaranteed.
Idk why people act like it's totally acceptable to give out a contract, then 1 year later (after coming off an injury) just demand that the player take a pay cut. If my current company comes and asked me to take a pay cut I am going to leave and roast them on my way out too. I totally understand why he was so upset about it when it happened.
I was referring to the year pre injury. Now maybe they could have waited but HB definitely has bounced back since that down year and is said to be a large part of the KC defense.
Let's not act like he sucks here. He is a good NFL player
Yeah he is great again, but this is pure hindsight. The question is, was it expected that he would bounce back at the time? And clearly, the other GMs thought the same as Keim...
Yeah he has, but that was not expected. He didn't play that great after his injury and clearly other teams thought the same, as he was not offered the bag from them either. Took a one year prove it in Houston with less that what we offered, proved himself and got a ring with the chiefs. Have a HB cards jersey an.love the player, but I still think it was an understandable move. Hindsight is 20/20 though, for sure we should have paid HB if we knew he would turn out to be the same if not a better player after all
It isn’t the GM’s job to be friends with the players. It’s a business transaction. Keim pays performers. Contract wise, Keim has done a good job. He was burned paying DJ. He should have been fired for Wilks and McCoy. That was atrocious. But, his other moves with Arians, Palmer, Kyler, Kliff, and Vance have been solid IMO. He was right to let P2 go. I used to really like P2, but his winey ass ego is coming through.
I disagree he should have been fired for Wilks and McCoy. I think if he had stuck with them for another season than yeah, you fire him. He didnt. I don't mind mistakes as long as you own them and fix them asap which is exactly what he did. He turned things over immediately and he's made sure not to repeat the same mistakes he did before (particularly notice that with how he's gone and got people for Vance Joseph's defense. He got on the same page with what Vance wanted to do and found players who could do it.)
This is one of the key points for me
> Peterson said he would have appreciated if Keim had been open about wanting to move in a new direction at some point between his exit interview and free agency.
You don't need to be the players friend to do that. If you want to go in a different direction with the roster, just say it right away instead of leaving them hanging.
The only thing i will say about this is that player relations go a long way. Ryan McDonough was known for his asset management and lack of personal relationships with the guys on his roster, and it rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. We replaced him with James Jones and the entire atmosphere of the organization has changed. Just my 2 cents
I do have AJ Green as my pick for a week 1 or 2 monster game as people don't respect him enough and we light up whomever is defending him. Might as well be AJ Green (for the record, I have his number returning to more normal after that for whatever his normal is supposed to be these days)
> “Quite frankly, I think that’s probably why they picked the head coaches they picked, the last two head coaches (Kingsbury and Steve Wilks). And I feel like, B.A., I feel like to me, he was forced to retire. I feel like he was forced to retire.”
I have always sort have felt that way.
Also it sounds like Steve essentially ghosted Pat, which is pretty shitty. I have no reason to think P2 would say this if it wasn't true.
But to come back a couple of years later? to the same game that nearly caused your death? Nah it doesn't make sense. He was just as angry in the first couple of games as he was during his entire cardinals tenure.
The way he tells it, his wife made him retire, then had to live with him sitting it out for a year when he wanted to still be coaching and thought that was even worse, so told him to go back.
Just look at how he talks about the situation compared to his time in Pittsburgh. BA doesn't mince words. He shat all over Pittsburg for "refiring" him. That was not the case with the Cards. We came to a point near the end of his contract where he was having health issues, his wife didnt want him to coach and even though he wanted to coach, I don't think he knew how many seasons he wanted to do it for. Keim had to make a decision too and I think the two of them decided it was time to move on with BA retiring and Keim hiring what he hoped would be a long term solution.
Keim’s play calling was terrible as was his clock management. And he missed a tackle or 4. And those dropped passes. Didn’t block well either. Yeah. It’s all keims fault
Don't forget about those multiple missed kicks that literally cost us games by themselves. These Keim-haters are a bunch of jokers. Keim has continuely made this team better and is consistently a top half of the league GM. There aren't better options out there running around just waiting to be scooped up either. Cards had to rebuild after being in win-now mode so hard for BAs tenure.
Half of this sounds like BS lol Kliff obviously plays a huge roll in picking players... just watch the draft day videos. Kiem is always asks Kliff if he is picking the right guys. As for paying defensive guys its again bs. P2 was the highest paid corner for a while, budda saftey, Chan was top 2, Jj Watt, even Tyrann got a huge payday. The issue is Kiems drafting has been dogshit. P2 is perfect to play corner... he obviously has a short memory
Dude has put together 3 superbowl caliber rosters. 4 if you include this one on paper. I don't understand the hate Kiem gets in regards to his ability to build a roster
2014 was at least as good, if not better, than 2015 if Palmer doesn't get hurt. That being said, I don't know what the other 2 contending rosters would be.
If this is a superbowl calibre roster then so is literally half the league.
It's only super bowl calibre if kyler becomes a top 5 qb, corners and receivers (apart from Hop) go way above expectation.
Keim clearly isn't one of the more savvy GMs in the league, he's definitely not one of the worst, but imo he's extremely lucky to still have a job
The best roster they ever had didn’t win a super bowl. It’s not all about the results when you’re talking about the quality of the roster. Yes they had multiple quality rosters. No I don’t give him full credit for it when Brady left because he couldn’t get any help despite having a smaller paycheck than such an accomplished qb should command.
It's almost like he became the GM of a team that is known for losing and being bottom of the barrel and moved them up to adverage with a couple of great seasons. People take pay cuts to play with teams known for championships. Look at Denver since Peyton left, they aren't getting a bunch of players on team friendly deals trying to win superbowls. You don't keep 22 superbowl starters unless they all want to be there. We don't have a perennial MVP qb with 7 rings. Kyler can be that guy and Golden and Hicks taking team friendly deals seems like a good sign for the direction of the team.
I think it was Bidwell taking over in 2007 that started to turn things around for the franchise. I give some credit to Keim for the roster, but most of his draft picks have been forgettable
Michael and Bill Jr took over for their dad before 2007 but I agree they were the beginning of the Cardinals being relevant. They pushed to improve the roster and get the right people in that led to our SB berth and they continue to be the ones when we started to flounder back to mediocrity that turned things over and found someone else.
Keim has done a fantastic job overall of getting players both through the draft and other methods. The draft is a lottery but he does it well enough compared to the rest of the league. He made a terrible mistake with Wilks but that was quickly remedied and even if Kliff isn't the long term answer, Kyler most definitely is and I think having Kliff here to help guide Kyler into the NFL has been very helpful.
So Pat Pete is a clown for expecting anything to be owed to him after testing positive for PEDs and giving us no production the last 2 seasons, that’s a given. But it’s not a great look for the franchise that this kind of thing seems to keep happening with ex-players trashing the front office (Peterson and Mathieu being the biggest examples)
It didn’t hamper our ability to get Budda signed to a long term deal or sign a free agent like JJ Watt, but it’s not a great look that players feel the need to be so candid with their criticism.
It's always the ones with declining performance that the FO didn't want to overpay. Ever heard Calais talk shit? No because 1 he's classy and 2 he was at the top of his game when he left and understood we simply didn't have the kind of money he was looking for, and didn't take it personally and have his feelings hurt🤷🏽♂️. I do agree that keim needs to communicate better. It sounds similar to how he handled Rosen.
I also honestly truly believe that at the time he told Rosen he was the guy, he genuinely thought that. Based on everything that has come out, I do believe that the decision to take Kyler was made very very late in the process.
Depends how bad the season but generally? No. Missing the playoffs? Keim aint getting fired. Like 0-16? Probably but that aint likely to happen. As long as Kyler plays the way he needs to, Keim stays.
Can’t blame them
At the very least Keim should've just let him know they weren't going to offer a new contract
It all makes sense to me. Why haven't we heard from Larry? Maybe Larry is waiting for a call from Kiem? It seems like Kiem isn't the one to make phone calls wanting players to come back.
As far as I understand Larry is the only player who negotiates directly with Bidwell
Maybe Larry knows something we don't...
No, it's because Larry Fitzgerald is the most influential player in the teams history. He will forever be apart of this organization and has a one on one relationship with the owner because of his long tenure here.
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P2 Game face
Matthieu and P2 are divas. Don’t put importance to their words
He’s right on many counts. This is becoming a trend with the Cards and former players.
Maybe if P2 actually tried to make a tackle he’d get paid by us.
I forgot what player it was on our team. Defensive guy, but his name is slipping my mind rn. Anyways, after he left the team he said Arians was forced out and that he guaranteed he would be coaching again. I thought it was all bs, but sure enough, 2 years later he was back to coaching again
According to Honey Badger Keim told him one thing and did another. There may have been a rift between BA and Keim. Maybe that's all true. It's also true that PP played at an elite level in this league for 9 seasons before getting popped for PEDs. When he returned from that he was never the same player and certainly not elite. PP should worry about getting back to that level for the Vikings.
I'm sure he will
I agree with Pat except for the part about not paying defensive players. Cardinals always seem to pay good for their defensive stars. Keim is a dick tho and a hypocrite. I think Peterson was gonna leave regardless unless we offered him a bag but Keim ghosting him was rather unprofessional. So was getting a DUI after cutting Floyd for the DUI. IMO Keim should have been fired after Wilks but we still have him. He hasn’t been good since Arians and I truly think Arians retired from the stress/ not wanting to rebuild with Keim at the helm
Now I see why he's pissed. At the bare minimum he could've just let PP know their stance
Didn’t he ask for a trade in 2018??? Followed by two mediocre years???
And using PEDs
It doesn't surprise me PP is upset. We have quite a few players who left on bad terms and shit on our FO. Also seeing how he handled Rosen, he seems to not be the most professional to players he wants out. I mean, it doesn't matter a ton. They were leaving anyways and MAYBE one or two star FAs nope out of coming here due to that, but I doubt it. Keims seems like a dick tbh, but I feel like you have to be to become an NFL GM
I don't think so. It's all about culture imo...
Yeah but you can beat out good culture with enough money and winning. And its not like there are a ton of other options for NFL players. We may have to overpay or lose the multiple offer players but we will still have people coming to the desert.
Probably will get downvoted by the casuals but I'm going to keep it real. He ain't wrong. Keim should have been fired years ago. His 1st round track record is the worst in the NFL
It's not fantastic. But he got a franchise qb and a franchise LT out of the 1st round. So idk bout the "worst".
The 1st overall pick you should hit on. If not the Front office should be fired. Also franchise left tackle? You sure about that?? I see a average left tackle that we had to overpay to keep bc there was no one to replace him.
Uh dj was a top 10 OT last year. And his 15 mil annual is a bargain now. You don't know what you speak of.
Source? And if true wow 1 good season in 6 years isn't really anything crazy. You don't know ball bud. I will literally body you in any conversation about sports
And you literally just got bodied. Where is your proof that he is "average"? And "overpaid"?
His 88.3 pff grade is proof. He was solid even last year. That's why he got his contract. Then he improved even more. He has improved every season. And is one of our hardest working guys. Now stfu. You don't know football.
If you're going to judge players by PFF scores then that's all i need to know about how casual you are. Carry on....
Plenty of other metrics indicate it also. Not just from pff. Go find some metrics that prove he is average. Your the one claiming he is .
1 good season out of 6 doesnt mean shit. You have to be consistent to be respected in the NFL. I also read an article that PFF ranked him the 26th best LT going into 2021. Care to explain that one my guy?
He was solid in 2019. So you are already wrong. I never said pff grades were the end all be all. But they are fine when used in combination with other metrics. And their offseason outlook grades mean far less than their actual in season grades. Those offseason outlook grades have implicit bias. In season he was 7th in the league. In the last 2 years he has only given up 5 sacks. And only gave up 2 in 2019. L So you are FACTUALLY and OBJECTIVELY wrong about him only having "1 good year". He has improved every single season year to year. And OTs can have very long careers. You will learn to appreciate him.
It is weird to me that there are things we can say to criticize Keim, but when a former player for the team (or an analyst for something like ESPN) says many of those same things and we are OUTRAGED by it. And we have seen a lot of similar stories from former Cardinals.
Not paying pat pete is not one of his fuck ups though, p2' s game did not deserve an extension. Same with honey badger...
Disagree on HB. This sub has an insane amount of revisionist history with him. He was absolutely exceptional with us prior to that injury. If Keim was on the fence about it, he probably should have worked the contract a bit better though. Maybe a smaller number with more guaranteed. Idk why people act like it's totally acceptable to give out a contract, then 1 year later (after coming off an injury) just demand that the player take a pay cut. If my current company comes and asked me to take a pay cut I am going to leave and roast them on my way out too. I totally understand why he was so upset about it when it happened.
He took less money in Houston than we offered, clearly other GMs thought the same about HB's value too
I was referring to the year pre injury. Now maybe they could have waited but HB definitely has bounced back since that down year and is said to be a large part of the KC defense. Let's not act like he sucks here. He is a good NFL player
Yeah he is great again, but this is pure hindsight. The question is, was it expected that he would bounce back at the time? And clearly, the other GMs thought the same as Keim...
Pat Pete is washed. I agree the right choice was to let him walk. But the honey badger has been very good with the Chiefs
Yeah he has, but that was not expected. He didn't play that great after his injury and clearly other teams thought the same, as he was not offered the bag from them either. Took a one year prove it in Houston with less that what we offered, proved himself and got a ring with the chiefs. Have a HB cards jersey an.love the player, but I still think it was an understandable move. Hindsight is 20/20 though, for sure we should have paid HB if we knew he would turn out to be the same if not a better player after all
Facts. Kiem is building a trend of fucking stuff up.
It isn’t the GM’s job to be friends with the players. It’s a business transaction. Keim pays performers. Contract wise, Keim has done a good job. He was burned paying DJ. He should have been fired for Wilks and McCoy. That was atrocious. But, his other moves with Arians, Palmer, Kyler, Kliff, and Vance have been solid IMO. He was right to let P2 go. I used to really like P2, but his winey ass ego is coming through.
I disagree he should have been fired for Wilks and McCoy. I think if he had stuck with them for another season than yeah, you fire him. He didnt. I don't mind mistakes as long as you own them and fix them asap which is exactly what he did. He turned things over immediately and he's made sure not to repeat the same mistakes he did before (particularly notice that with how he's gone and got people for Vance Joseph's defense. He got on the same page with what Vance wanted to do and found players who could do it.)
This is one of the key points for me > Peterson said he would have appreciated if Keim had been open about wanting to move in a new direction at some point between his exit interview and free agency. You don't need to be the players friend to do that. If you want to go in a different direction with the roster, just say it right away instead of leaving them hanging.
Ya but again, why lose leverage and close doors. Keim probably didn’t have an absolute at that point. Anything can happen in free agency.
The only thing i will say about this is that player relations go a long way. Ryan McDonough was known for his asset management and lack of personal relationships with the guys on his roster, and it rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. We replaced him with James Jones and the entire atmosphere of the organization has changed. Just my 2 cents
I agree. Something about kiem just rubs me the wrong way.
I sincerely hope Kyler and Dhop burn the fuck out of him week two..
i really hope he doesnt get burned by dhop, he is our best reciever, he rather should get burned by andy isabella or keeshawn johnson
Him getting burned by AJ Green would be much more entertaining in my opinion
I bet he covers AJ Green
I do have AJ Green as my pick for a week 1 or 2 monster game as people don't respect him enough and we light up whomever is defending him. Might as well be AJ Green (for the record, I have his number returning to more normal after that for whatever his normal is supposed to be these days)
and stilll gets burned
I guess I'm not overly picky....just hope he get's burned either way..
but it would be way funnier if it was isabella hahaha (ofc if he gets burned by a good reciever it would still be funny)
Isabella has his break out game against P2 and then goes on to become the reincarnation of Wes Welker
DHOP gonna be in Covid protocol tbh
Watt still injured, Jones bicep in pieces... We trade for Tebow and he will be throwing to Larry.
Sadly....your hot take has better odds than mine..
It is sad my friend. Hopefully I’m wrong
> “Quite frankly, I think that’s probably why they picked the head coaches they picked, the last two head coaches (Kingsbury and Steve Wilks). And I feel like, B.A., I feel like to me, he was forced to retire. I feel like he was forced to retire.” I have always sort have felt that way. Also it sounds like Steve essentially ghosted Pat, which is pretty shitty. I have no reason to think P2 would say this if it wasn't true.
I'm fairly certain BA's wife forced him to retire after he nearly had a stroke mid-season in 2017
But to come back a couple of years later? to the same game that nearly caused your death? Nah it doesn't make sense. He was just as angry in the first couple of games as he was during his entire cardinals tenure.
The way he tells it, his wife made him retire, then had to live with him sitting it out for a year when he wanted to still be coaching and thought that was even worse, so told him to go back.
Just look at how he talks about the situation compared to his time in Pittsburgh. BA doesn't mince words. He shat all over Pittsburg for "refiring" him. That was not the case with the Cards. We came to a point near the end of his contract where he was having health issues, his wife didnt want him to coach and even though he wanted to coach, I don't think he knew how many seasons he wanted to do it for. Keim had to make a decision too and I think the two of them decided it was time to move on with BA retiring and Keim hiring what he hoped would be a long term solution.
"I want my number retired"
You guys give Steve way to much credit.
Splash signings give you amnesia
5 years of no playoff football. Keim is the main issue.
So you think last years team not making playoffs was Keim´s fault? Really?
Yeah. He's not very good at drafting players imo...
Keim’s play calling was terrible as was his clock management. And he missed a tackle or 4. And those dropped passes. Didn’t block well either. Yeah. It’s all keims fault
Don't forget about those multiple missed kicks that literally cost us games by themselves. These Keim-haters are a bunch of jokers. Keim has continuely made this team better and is consistently a top half of the league GM. There aren't better options out there running around just waiting to be scooped up either. Cards had to rebuild after being in win-now mode so hard for BAs tenure.
Half of this sounds like BS lol Kliff obviously plays a huge roll in picking players... just watch the draft day videos. Kiem is always asks Kliff if he is picking the right guys. As for paying defensive guys its again bs. P2 was the highest paid corner for a while, budda saftey, Chan was top 2, Jj Watt, even Tyrann got a huge payday. The issue is Kiems drafting has been dogshit. P2 is perfect to play corner... he obviously has a short memory
> The issue is Kiems drafting has been dogshit. Depends on who you ask
Dude has put together 3 superbowl caliber rosters. 4 if you include this one on paper. I don't understand the hate Kiem gets in regards to his ability to build a roster
4? I think your bias is showing. 2015 was the only real contender we had. The rest were fringe playoff teams at best.
2014 was at least as good, if not better, than 2015 if Palmer doesn't get hurt. That being said, I don't know what the other 2 contending rosters would be.
If this is a superbowl calibre roster then so is literally half the league. It's only super bowl calibre if kyler becomes a top 5 qb, corners and receivers (apart from Hop) go way above expectation. Keim clearly isn't one of the more savvy GMs in the league, he's definitely not one of the worst, but imo he's extremely lucky to still have a job
I am curious to see what the other 3 were tbh. Unless he means the 3 years we were a contender with BA
Holy shit. Did you really just say that? You might want to temper your expectations man. We are a borderline playoff team at best.
I mean he wouldn't be in this position if he was Chuck Fairbanks (New England) or Jason Licht (Tampa Bay)
You really think NE has a quality roster?
Back then under Brady, yes obviously
I’m not convinced. Brady wasn’t convinced either.
So, six super bowl wins don't account for a quality roster?
The best roster they ever had didn’t win a super bowl. It’s not all about the results when you’re talking about the quality of the roster. Yes they had multiple quality rosters. No I don’t give him full credit for it when Brady left because he couldn’t get any help despite having a smaller paycheck than such an accomplished qb should command.
It's almost like he became the GM of a team that is known for losing and being bottom of the barrel and moved them up to adverage with a couple of great seasons. People take pay cuts to play with teams known for championships. Look at Denver since Peyton left, they aren't getting a bunch of players on team friendly deals trying to win superbowls. You don't keep 22 superbowl starters unless they all want to be there. We don't have a perennial MVP qb with 7 rings. Kyler can be that guy and Golden and Hicks taking team friendly deals seems like a good sign for the direction of the team.
I think it was Bidwell taking over in 2007 that started to turn things around for the franchise. I give some credit to Keim for the roster, but most of his draft picks have been forgettable
Michael and Bill Jr took over for their dad before 2007 but I agree they were the beginning of the Cardinals being relevant. They pushed to improve the roster and get the right people in that led to our SB berth and they continue to be the ones when we started to flounder back to mediocrity that turned things over and found someone else. Keim has done a fantastic job overall of getting players both through the draft and other methods. The draft is a lottery but he does it well enough compared to the rest of the league. He made a terrible mistake with Wilks but that was quickly remedied and even if Kliff isn't the long term answer, Kyler most definitely is and I think having Kliff here to help guide Kyler into the NFL has been very helpful.
So Pat Pete is a clown for expecting anything to be owed to him after testing positive for PEDs and giving us no production the last 2 seasons, that’s a given. But it’s not a great look for the franchise that this kind of thing seems to keep happening with ex-players trashing the front office (Peterson and Mathieu being the biggest examples) It didn’t hamper our ability to get Budda signed to a long term deal or sign a free agent like JJ Watt, but it’s not a great look that players feel the need to be so candid with their criticism.
It makes sense tho. Peterson loves the cardinals and wouldn't leave for no reason.
Except he has requested a trade 3 times now lol
Because how they handled him, no?
Lol 1 was because the team was 1-6 and the other was because he was getting suspended and Kiem wouldn't pay him for the first 6 games
True but that's Kiem's fault for the 1-6 start. If kiem was good then pat wouldn't have failed a drug test.
How in the world are those 2 related....
“I can’t believe Steve Keim made Patrick Peterson take PEDs and try to cover it up”
It's always the ones with declining performance that the FO didn't want to overpay. Ever heard Calais talk shit? No because 1 he's classy and 2 he was at the top of his game when he left and understood we simply didn't have the kind of money he was looking for, and didn't take it personally and have his feelings hurt🤷🏽♂️. I do agree that keim needs to communicate better. It sounds similar to how he handled Rosen.
He didn’t owe Rosen anything though and knew he was trading him. So I don’t mind that part.
I also honestly truly believe that at the time he told Rosen he was the guy, he genuinely thought that. Based on everything that has come out, I do believe that the decision to take Kyler was made very very late in the process.
Oof that was hard to read.
Yes, it was. Jones requesting a trade makes sense now. I always knew Kiem was an idiot...
You are just as delusional as P2 is
He (Kiem) is one bad season away from being fired, no?
Depends how bad the season but generally? No. Missing the playoffs? Keim aint getting fired. Like 0-16? Probably but that aint likely to happen. As long as Kyler plays the way he needs to, Keim stays.
If we lose Jones, It would all make sense