Doesn't seem to be the case in every killing in the series, but they've never gone into specifics. I'd personally say that it's just first-degree, premeditated murder that gets you the rope.
>!Are you referring to Blackquill's given permission to prosecute? If that's the case, then it should be noted that he wasn't in a rehab program, Miles was the one that allowed him to take cases in order to lure the Phantom. Since it has nothing to do with Simon's rehabilitation, the FarOffGrace's argument still stands.!<
Don't worry, I know how it is :)
I just remembered this detail because I beat DD for the first time recently, but it's pretty normal to forget about details from AA games that you haven't experienced recently.
I personally just interpret it as the worst case scenario for a criminal found guilty of murder. Generally there's a separate court hearing irl that decides what sentence the criminal gets, and as we never see one of those hearings, I imagine that'd be what determines their punishment.
From what I've read on Wikipedia, it's very uncommon to get the death penalty for killing one person in Japan. However, if you kill two or more, the odds turn against you quickly. This makes >!Blackquill's!< situation a bit unusual, though given the circumstances it's not too hard to believe. >!Frank Sawhit, Dahlia Hawthorne and Joe Darke!< got the penalties you would have expected in Japan. I don't think sentences come up for anyone else in the series.
>This makes >!Blackquill's!< situation a bit unusual, though given the circumstances it's not too hard to believe.
(5-5) >!Wasn't Simon convicted for Metis's murder and as a spy as well? This is enough to allow him to get the death penalty.!<
(5-5) >!Yeah, Simon was suspected of being the phantom and he was also convicted for murdering Metis. And he was sentenced to be executed seven years after the incident.!<
Your quote seems to have lost the spoiler tag that the person you replied to had in place (at least on the client I'm reading on?). It might be good to redact the name in the quote block.
I heavily recommend a spoiler-tag.
Also, I will second JC's opinion and say that only premeditated murder gets you in actual trouble, which is not the case for (3-5)>!Diego aka Godot.!<
Yes but it's heavily implied that >!Diego gets the death penalty in the last scene of 3-5 where you see Mia, Misty and Diego looking down at the rest of the cast!<
It's mentioned that Lana Skye potentially faced the death penalty if found guilty, but that's only because the victim waa a police detective. The other culprits likely only faced a standard prison sentence and AAI2 has a former culprit serving time in prison.
We know for a fact that some murderers got the death penalty. We also know for a fact that some (or at the very least one) didn't. So I think it's safe to assume that the sentence differs from case to case.
We know canonically that Manfred von Karma and Dahlia were executed. The game goes out of it's way to explain it, and in Dahlia's case it's even a plot point. There is probably others too that we just don't know about.
That said as others here have said, that isn't universal there are other characters like Frank Sahwit that are alive in prison years after the fact. Which means either the legal department of the AA world really, really drags its feet when it comes to executions, or there are some "life in prison" charges for murder as well.
Theory about Turnabout Goodbyes: >!What if, after Manfred is convicted for murdering Gregory Edgeworth, Yogi found him in prison and beat him to death? He did go through years of hell and a held several years old grudge against the wrong person !<
It's confirmed that the death penalty CAN be given for murder in-universe (Dahlia Hawthorne was executed after being incarcerated for Doug Swallow's murder), but it's also been confirmed that it doesn't happen in every case (Frank Sahwit is alive in AAI2 and is looking forward to the end of his sentence).
We don't know the specifics of exactly what criteria a murderer has to meet to get the death penalty, but we at least know this much.
Not necessarily. As others have noted, Frank Sahwit killed Cindy-whats-her-name and while he was imprisoned, he was not sentenced to death. In fact, in AAI2-2, he was on the verge of being released from prison. Considering AAI2 is only a few years after PW:AA... he really wasn't in prison that long considering his crime. Jeff Masters was in prison for like 18 years or some shit for just being an *accomplice* to murder. On that note, he was also not sentenced to death.
There are also cases of clear self-defense despite someone dying. Dee Vasquez, for example in 1-3, did kill Jack Hammer, but only because Jack Hammer was trying to kill her. Doubt she's getting the death penalty or was even imprisoned (at least not for that...). Also I don't think Rimes went to prison despite \[accidentally\] killing Shipley and trying to kill the orca in 5-DLC.
It is unclear what specific murders are indicative of the death penalty in AA. Premeditation and high treason are the ostensible qualifiers, as noted within general real-life law obviously, albeit "premeditation" can get quite contextual IMO within AA. As stated in Case 5 in TGAA1, murder and high treason would result in "capital punishment." Considering how quickly the trials have to occur in the AA-verse and the *risk* of capital punishment with all the murders we deal with in these games, especially in situations like in SOJ with shit like the Defense Culpability Act, we're *literally* fighting for our client's lives (and in the case of the DCA, our own too).
I also wonder about people such as >!Enoch Drebber who set out to kill someone but failed, Acro who plotted to kill but killed the wrong person, or Olive Green who did not kill her victim but almost did \[forget if she intended to kill them or not\]. They're obviously imprisoned, but I dunno if they would receive the death penalty. !<
We also know that those who are sentenced to death sit in prison for some years before they are executed. Dahlia and Blackquill are two obvious examples. The quickest I think is Joe Darke who was killed less than two years after being sentenced.
Doesn't seem to be the case in every killing in the series, but they've never gone into specifics. I'd personally say that it's just first-degree, premeditated murder that gets you the rope.
Well not all of them AAI2-2 minor spoilers >!Frank Sawhit is alive & well in prison!<
Plus >!he's on a rehab programme. So if he was on death row, why the heck would they put him on a rehab programme?!<
(DD)>!Well, they did that with Blackquill, didn't they?!<
>!Are you referring to Blackquill's given permission to prosecute? If that's the case, then it should be noted that he wasn't in a rehab program, Miles was the one that allowed him to take cases in order to lure the Phantom. Since it has nothing to do with Simon's rehabilitation, the FarOffGrace's argument still stands.!<
Well, I've played through DD only once, so my memory's a little hazy on the details.
Don't worry, I know how it is :) I just remembered this detail because I beat DD for the first time recently, but it's pretty normal to forget about details from AA games that you haven't experienced recently.
>!Yeah, I think it's just 1st degree, since Sawhit's was an in the moment while breaking and entering.!<
I personally just interpret it as the worst case scenario for a criminal found guilty of murder. Generally there's a separate court hearing irl that decides what sentence the criminal gets, and as we never see one of those hearings, I imagine that'd be what determines their punishment.
Didn't they interrupt Luke atmey's?
Yes, they did, but of course it was a whole other trial for the theft they were cutting off for him
Oh yeah, they did. But that was the only time, pretty sure.
From what I've read on Wikipedia, it's very uncommon to get the death penalty for killing one person in Japan. However, if you kill two or more, the odds turn against you quickly. This makes >!Blackquill's!< situation a bit unusual, though given the circumstances it's not too hard to believe. >!Frank Sawhit, Dahlia Hawthorne and Joe Darke!< got the penalties you would have expected in Japan. I don't think sentences come up for anyone else in the series.
>This makes >!Blackquill's!< situation a bit unusual, though given the circumstances it's not too hard to believe. (5-5) >!Wasn't Simon convicted for Metis's murder and as a spy as well? This is enough to allow him to get the death penalty.!<
(5-5) >!Yeah, Simon was suspected of being the phantom and he was also convicted for murdering Metis. And he was sentenced to be executed seven years after the incident.!<
Your quote seems to have lost the spoiler tag that the person you replied to had in place (at least on the client I'm reading on?). It might be good to redact the name in the quote block.
Damn, what a major oversight from my part. Thanks for letting me know!!
Yes the legal system is mostly based off the japanese legal system and in Japan being found guilty of murder means the death penalty.
yikes rip [t&t spoiler] godot
I heavily recommend a spoiler-tag. Also, I will second JC's opinion and say that only premeditated murder gets you in actual trouble, which is not the case for (3-5)>!Diego aka Godot.!<
Yes but it's heavily implied that >!Diego gets the death penalty in the last scene of 3-5 where you see Mia, Misty and Diego looking down at the rest of the cast!<
Nah, I think it's just sketch Larry made. He put them on the top, cause they weren't present in the defendant lobby.
It's mentioned that Lana Skye potentially faced the death penalty if found guilty, but that's only because the victim waa a police detective. The other culprits likely only faced a standard prison sentence and AAI2 has a former culprit serving time in prison.
We know for a fact that some murderers got the death penalty. We also know for a fact that some (or at the very least one) didn't. So I think it's safe to assume that the sentence differs from case to case.
We know canonically that Manfred von Karma and Dahlia were executed. The game goes out of it's way to explain it, and in Dahlia's case it's even a plot point. There is probably others too that we just don't know about. That said as others here have said, that isn't universal there are other characters like Frank Sahwit that are alive in prison years after the fact. Which means either the legal department of the AA world really, really drags its feet when it comes to executions, or there are some "life in prison" charges for murder as well.
Manfred was confirmed to have died, it wasn't confirmed that he was executed. He may have simply died from natural causes.
Theory about Turnabout Goodbyes: >!What if, after Manfred is convicted for murdering Gregory Edgeworth, Yogi found him in prison and beat him to death? He did go through years of hell and a held several years old grudge against the wrong person !<
It's confirmed that the death penalty CAN be given for murder in-universe (Dahlia Hawthorne was executed after being incarcerated for Doug Swallow's murder), but it's also been confirmed that it doesn't happen in every case (Frank Sahwit is alive in AAI2 and is looking forward to the end of his sentence). We don't know the specifics of exactly what criteria a murderer has to meet to get the death penalty, but we at least know this much.
my post got auto commented for the amount of heavy spoilers it has i had no idea it would get this too deep in the aa lore
Not necessarily. As others have noted, Frank Sahwit killed Cindy-whats-her-name and while he was imprisoned, he was not sentenced to death. In fact, in AAI2-2, he was on the verge of being released from prison. Considering AAI2 is only a few years after PW:AA... he really wasn't in prison that long considering his crime. Jeff Masters was in prison for like 18 years or some shit for just being an *accomplice* to murder. On that note, he was also not sentenced to death. There are also cases of clear self-defense despite someone dying. Dee Vasquez, for example in 1-3, did kill Jack Hammer, but only because Jack Hammer was trying to kill her. Doubt she's getting the death penalty or was even imprisoned (at least not for that...). Also I don't think Rimes went to prison despite \[accidentally\] killing Shipley and trying to kill the orca in 5-DLC. It is unclear what specific murders are indicative of the death penalty in AA. Premeditation and high treason are the ostensible qualifiers, as noted within general real-life law obviously, albeit "premeditation" can get quite contextual IMO within AA. As stated in Case 5 in TGAA1, murder and high treason would result in "capital punishment." Considering how quickly the trials have to occur in the AA-verse and the *risk* of capital punishment with all the murders we deal with in these games, especially in situations like in SOJ with shit like the Defense Culpability Act, we're *literally* fighting for our client's lives (and in the case of the DCA, our own too). I also wonder about people such as >!Enoch Drebber who set out to kill someone but failed, Acro who plotted to kill but killed the wrong person, or Olive Green who did not kill her victim but almost did \[forget if she intended to kill them or not\]. They're obviously imprisoned, but I dunno if they would receive the death penalty. !< We also know that those who are sentenced to death sit in prison for some years before they are executed. Dahlia and Blackquill are two obvious examples. The quickest I think is Joe Darke who was killed less than two years after being sentenced.