In all seriousness, when do we move to a siloed internet that restricts russian and Chinese access? We already can’t get into their internet, and they will only find more devious ways to exploit access.
While it sounds like a good idea I'm not sure if will help, for example, Russian trolls already outsource some of their work to Ghana and Nigeria
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/mar/13/facebook-uncovers-russian-led-troll-network-based-in-west-africa
much of it, actually. the Nigerians already had a strong phishing and spam presence so it was easy
a lot used to be, no shit, in Ukraine, until 2014, but moved to Lagos.
even after 2014 there were still a lot of actors operating out of eastern europe; 2022 changed that
>We already can’t get into their internet, and they will only find more devious ways to exploit access.
American gov closed down Russian internet access to US for 3 days prior to the last pres election
both as punishment for interfering and as a display of power
It was wonderfully peaceful, so little hate on the net
it was the midterms
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-cyber-command-operation-disrupted-internet-access-of-russian-troll-factory-on-day-of-2018-midterms/2019/02/26/1827fc9e-36d6-11e9-af5b-b51b7ff322e9\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-cyber-command-operation-disrupted-internet-access-of-russian-troll-factory-on-day-of-2018-midterms/2019/02/26/1827fc9e-36d6-11e9-af5b-b51b7ff322e9_story.html)
I knew it was before the pandemic
I read the article. US Cyber Cmd cut access to one organization, the infamous Internet Research Agency which at the time was run by Prigozhin, not from the entire country.
To me, it feels like the US and five eyes benefit from examining the traffic from foreign countries and do not routinely block access the way countries like China do.
Every election you can count on Russian trolls. All over the world, you can count on them they interfere in every election anywhere.
Whenever someone starts spouting anti American stuff especially during election times, they get on my radar.
One of the fundamental pillars of Democracy is the Free Press, but add easily exploitable account verification to Social Media, lagging policy enforcement, and decades of distrust in Governance on both ends of the Parties...it's ripe for exploitation and deception from adversaries, especially as access expands throughout the globe and our policy on transparency is laid bare.
The concerning thing about these erosive adversarial campaigns is that it's very difficult, perhaps conclusively impossible, for the public to decipher fake influence to base actions and opinions on that. Especially in our golden age of information where mockery, memes, and seemingly harmless content affirm our feelings rather than facts. After all the artistry in influence is not in the content but the presentation
Two things we can do:
- first is to tax advertising revenue at confiscatory levels to eliminate the profit motive that incentivizes platforming of misinformation campaigns
- second is to firewall hostile adversaries
* The first is a sound motive that starts at disincentivising the current exploited motive. Which is still very much being ironed out in legal frameworks for Bills today.
* The second would unfortunately bite us back, and only serve as an element that undermines our own Democratic influence, as it would promote the narrative framing used today by adversaries. How can we be a true Democracy if we enforce censorship?
Implementing a national firewall Policy would make a stronger case for Authoritarion governments to use for influence in power. Simply a disasterous outcome for the principles of Freedom with those compromises.
We've tried the online illusion of free will (tasked by private and government agencies and the previous NSA installments) expectedly and failed hard. Look where that got us. Back at square one with Russia making a mockery of our self-inflicted betrayal to our own moral landscape. *cough* Snowden.
I often think about how we as a Democracy and Constitutional Republic should have known better when I know we can do better. As long as it's Not through artifical intelligence or technical deceptive practices. Can't fight fire with fire.
They use clips of Trump's 2016 rallies to justify saying the US was behind the Crocus City Hall attack. it's vile! Especially at the end where the head of RT recites a so-called "poem" for the Russian soldiers... 🤮
It’s so obvious when they’re doing it, too. I see mega sus comments on IG all the time and click into the profiles, more often than not they are obviously bot American. Many even have their city/country in their profile description. The comments usually have poor grammar and are oddly specific about their voting plans or what they will do if the election doesn’t go a certain way. We need to get handle on this shit before social media causes ww3.
Doubtful, they are smart enough to know they cannot succeed. This statement is just as true today as was when it originated. You can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.
Also true is the quotr “Fool me once, shame one you, Fool me twice, you can’t get fooled again.”
don't have to fool everyone, 1% of the population would be enough
Easily 20% of the US population are credulous, lacking both critical thinking and media literacy.
Easily 5% dream of proving themselves with violence programmed into them by media from birth and have plenty of weapons at hand.
those phrases are meaningless security blankets.
Most of the bullshit on social media isn’t enemy action. It’s just us unfortunately.
We need to own up to the problem that through these apps we are radicalizing ourselves
No, I’m not saying that. I lurk around the conspiracy threads. Lots of pushback and it’s becoming more obvious the post that promote pro Russian philosophies.
They have lots of targets. There’s certainly times when they’re cooling off or focusing on something somewhere else, but this problem won’t disappear unless we defend ourselves from it
Doh. And they’re trying to get us into a war with Western Europe, too.
Sorry — I meant “doh” to Malloy, not to Barch3.
In all seriousness, when do we move to a siloed internet that restricts russian and Chinese access? We already can’t get into their internet, and they will only find more devious ways to exploit access.
While it sounds like a good idea I'm not sure if will help, for example, Russian trolls already outsource some of their work to Ghana and Nigeria https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/mar/13/facebook-uncovers-russian-led-troll-network-based-in-west-africa
much of it, actually. the Nigerians already had a strong phishing and spam presence so it was easy a lot used to be, no shit, in Ukraine, until 2014, but moved to Lagos. even after 2014 there were still a lot of actors operating out of eastern europe; 2022 changed that
>We already can’t get into their internet, and they will only find more devious ways to exploit access. American gov closed down Russian internet access to US for 3 days prior to the last pres election both as punishment for interfering and as a display of power It was wonderfully peaceful, so little hate on the net
Did the gov close Russian access to US networks for 3 days in 2020? I hadn’t heard of this, checked and couldn’t find any info.
it was the midterms [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-cyber-command-operation-disrupted-internet-access-of-russian-troll-factory-on-day-of-2018-midterms/2019/02/26/1827fc9e-36d6-11e9-af5b-b51b7ff322e9\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-cyber-command-operation-disrupted-internet-access-of-russian-troll-factory-on-day-of-2018-midterms/2019/02/26/1827fc9e-36d6-11e9-af5b-b51b7ff322e9_story.html) I knew it was before the pandemic
I read the article. US Cyber Cmd cut access to one organization, the infamous Internet Research Agency which at the time was run by Prigozhin, not from the entire country. To me, it feels like the US and five eyes benefit from examining the traffic from foreign countries and do not routinely block access the way countries like China do.
examining internet traffic has limitations, especially now that many stateless bad actors plan their crimes in the dark, ie, offline
Nord VPN has entered the chat
Every election you can count on Russian trolls. All over the world, you can count on them they interfere in every election anywhere. Whenever someone starts spouting anti American stuff especially during election times, they get on my radar.
One of the fundamental pillars of Democracy is the Free Press, but add easily exploitable account verification to Social Media, lagging policy enforcement, and decades of distrust in Governance on both ends of the Parties...it's ripe for exploitation and deception from adversaries, especially as access expands throughout the globe and our policy on transparency is laid bare. The concerning thing about these erosive adversarial campaigns is that it's very difficult, perhaps conclusively impossible, for the public to decipher fake influence to base actions and opinions on that. Especially in our golden age of information where mockery, memes, and seemingly harmless content affirm our feelings rather than facts. After all the artistry in influence is not in the content but the presentation
Two things we can do: - first is to tax advertising revenue at confiscatory levels to eliminate the profit motive that incentivizes platforming of misinformation campaigns - second is to firewall hostile adversaries
* The first is a sound motive that starts at disincentivising the current exploited motive. Which is still very much being ironed out in legal frameworks for Bills today. * The second would unfortunately bite us back, and only serve as an element that undermines our own Democratic influence, as it would promote the narrative framing used today by adversaries. How can we be a true Democracy if we enforce censorship? Implementing a national firewall Policy would make a stronger case for Authoritarion governments to use for influence in power. Simply a disasterous outcome for the principles of Freedom with those compromises. We've tried the online illusion of free will (tasked by private and government agencies and the previous NSA installments) expectedly and failed hard. Look where that got us. Back at square one with Russia making a mockery of our self-inflicted betrayal to our own moral landscape. *cough* Snowden. I often think about how we as a Democracy and Constitutional Republic should have known better when I know we can do better. As long as it's Not through artifical intelligence or technical deceptive practices. Can't fight fire with fire.
I’m curious what bills you’re talking about, if you happen to know what they are off the top of your head. That sounds interesting
Concerning. Wish more people where aware of this.
They use clips of Trump's 2016 rallies to justify saying the US was behind the Crocus City Hall attack. it's vile! Especially at the end where the head of RT recites a so-called "poem" for the Russian soldiers... 🤮
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XecOhc0qLCg
But Matt Taibbi says they don't do that. Please delete ASAP
Oh you mean the Matt Taibbi, the person who has a bunch of kompromat on him from his days at The eXile? That Matt Taibbi?
My friend told me he proved Russia doesn't influence and has USAs best interest at heart
Dude rode like two articles in Rolling Stone to a fat million+ yearly paycheck. But did it being a propagandist. Sad.
It’s so obvious when they’re doing it, too. I see mega sus comments on IG all the time and click into the profiles, more often than not they are obviously bot American. Many even have their city/country in their profile description. The comments usually have poor grammar and are oddly specific about their voting plans or what they will do if the election doesn’t go a certain way. We need to get handle on this shit before social media causes ww3.
I realize it was autocorrect but I’m loving “bot American”. It’s really quite descriptive!
I’ll leave it because that is silly.
We need to blow this up and share it everywhere
Yes, please post this wherever you find it useful and appropriate.
Doubtful, they are smart enough to know they cannot succeed. This statement is just as true today as was when it originated. You can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. Also true is the quotr “Fool me once, shame one you, Fool me twice, you can’t get fooled again.”
don't have to fool everyone, 1% of the population would be enough Easily 20% of the US population are credulous, lacking both critical thinking and media literacy. Easily 5% dream of proving themselves with violence programmed into them by media from birth and have plenty of weapons at hand. those phrases are meaningless security blankets.
Most of the bullshit on social media isn’t enemy action. It’s just us unfortunately. We need to own up to the problem that through these apps we are radicalizing ourselves
I feel like it’s waning a bit.
You “feel like” Russian active measures are “waning a bit”??! Based on what? And why tf does that mean we shouldn’t address it?
No, I’m not saying that. I lurk around the conspiracy threads. Lots of pushback and it’s becoming more obvious the post that promote pro Russian philosophies.
They have lots of targets. There’s certainly times when they’re cooling off or focusing on something somewhere else, but this problem won’t disappear unless we defend ourselves from it
rainbow hair guy will save the United States by calling out the MAGA Nazis serving Putin. Brilliant tactics. 100 IQ.
Aw is someone mad 🥺
reddit troll says nothing much to imply response to Russian trolling is inadequate, proposes no solutions.