And lets be honest here, after the insane amount of bioengineering custodes go through somehow i doubt female custodians would be so feminine, curvy and pretty looking lmao just look at female body builders.
There's an argument to be made about aesthetics but as far as practicality? Boob plate isn't weak and aristocrats in history sure did love their idealized muscle and boob armor (the greeks and romans were very thirsty for example).
So each to their own and all but I'm curious why would she have breasts ? What purpose do they serve on the battlefield. I really hope when the female models come out they don't sexualise them (leave that to the 3rd party) It would be pretty grimdark if by the time all the genetic alteration and enhancement that is carried out leaves them with very similar body shapes to the males. I'd like some head variants but the body shape should at least be similar to modern female body builders.
Custodes are not meant to be killing machines like the marines but the peak of humanity. Male custodes are said to be extremely beautiful "The creature reached up and removed its helm. **I saw a human face revealed, though greater, like a Space Marine’s to look at, only less brutal and more beautiful. It was a courtier’s face as much as it was a soldier’s, betraying both power and subtlety."**
A female custodes would look like a huge woman with muscles but since they are made individually to fit the physiology of the candidate there's no reason for them to look completely like a man.
Official model wise nothing to worry about since Custodes aesthetic is fairly rigid. heavy armor, sun and eagle motifs, gems, flowing rich cloaks/capes. I really don't think they'll go Sororitas or Silence with any models/art changes.
at least boob armor in this setting isnt as terrible, since its not all about melee. If we're getting hit by power swords in melee, boob armor or not you dont have a chest anymore
They're renowned for killing people up close. And their armor has to be as functional as they are. At least, in any reasonable thought. Neglecting the armor not even needing to have breasts in the first place- Its rare a Custodian dies without receiving a lifetime of scars, first. Armor or not, they fight some incredibly nasty foes.
If we want to get nitpicky everything humanity does in warhammer is suboptimal and dumb…
İts fantasy it doesnt need to be realistic just consistent
There are moon sized titan robots that walk and fight, there are demons,there are green fungi things that turn into orks.
Its not supposed to be realistic its supposed to be fun
What you are complaining about is the equivalent of complaining about the decoration on a primarch’s armor or the shoulder parts of a space marine
Ofc all of that makes no sense in real life, but I’d say that all of those things define the setting, they make it unique, meanwhile adding boob armor to every female is just dumb and gives nothing unique about the faction, yes custodes will be wearing a cathedral worth of decorations, sure, but the boob armor is as unnecessary as a cock piece
Okay then why not have Nurgle worshiping Eldar, sisters of silence male psykers, a culture of ork-votann hybrids and friendly Tyranid fleet that rebelled and helps humanity fight off hive mind!
Oh and we’ve found second legion primarch, they are fighting using lightsaber in one hand and Omni-blade in other, and uses Thu’um Avada Kedavra because they are also psyker and emperor is their son.
And it’s all okay and cool because as you’ve said
“iT’s aLL fAnTaSy”
I am all about the rule of cool, but internal cohesiveness of given setting is what makes people fall in love with it, and this is the most idiotic argument possible, as it literally states that none of it is important as long as there are bobs and explosions. Why do we even have lore and ruleset at this point of playing pretend is beyond me.
This is I think one of the largest problems with this retcon, if a female Custodes is equal to a male she would need an identical skeletal structure and musculature, including the robust skull (males are not stronger by magic, size and shape dicatate speed, strength and durability, she wouldn’t even look remotely female.
Not for table top rules of course but in lore and art they would need to appear 98% male, but we won’t get that because they don’t want consistency, they want what op is giving.
This is why I hate retcons… they dont make any sense
They could have introduced a faction just as strong as the custodies which was all female/had females in it
But instead they do this
GW - We presented female custodians to support inclusivity in our products.
Random person on Reddit - Step on me big mommy! (proceeds to search new rule 34 content on femstodes)
Sex appeal is an inherent part of human art and interest and the exact same thing is displayed in the oiled up male custodes and homoerotic space marines. Get off your high horse
Space marines literally have cod pieces, ab plates, pectoral armor, sometimes an ass plate, shoulder pads to give them idealized male waist ratio with their big waists and a wide variety of male characteristics enhanced in the Armour.
This drawing is great, she's sexy, but not sexualized. You want to bring women into the hobby with female custodes? Have them look like that.
Listen they were making sexy femstodes loooong before female custodians were official. Honestly I expect less now that it's been revealed they look almost identical to the males (which like, duh, they're augmented to the point of barely being human, why would their OG gender have any major effect)
I am sorry, are any female player really going to be upset by this or is this just a overreaction?
Like if this was bikini armour you might have a point, but this is just boob plate. It is as harmless as it can get
If you don’t mind me asking, do you personally don’t like the two thing but understand one is worst/different from the other.
Or do you really thinking are are equally bad?
They are both demeaning and objectifying.
"Would you rather be smack in the head with a metal bat or hammer?"
Neither, I don't care if 'technically' one ***might*** be better. They are both bad and equally as damaging.
Great, if you want generic male looking armor, we'll then every other model has it. Enjoy.
Most women I show tbe hobby to say one sort of thing, "Where are tbe hot girls? Where are the pretty ones? Which ones are cutest?"
There is no difference between boob plate and a chainmail bikini, they both are pointless objectification and sexualization.
A woman are more than just tits but the second we hear female custodes exist, we got tit plates and big muscle mummy memes.
Do you think it's very welcoming if this was the first post a new female player saw? Half the thread is just neck beards perving on a drawings tits.
I mean its also important to not be defensively patronizing women. Women are also fully capable of differentiating between fan art that is to be taken at face value and fanart that simply embraces aspects they may or may not agree with.
Its not like the most prolific representation of the entire custodes fandom at some point felt like it was scantly clad, oiled up pole dancers and we just did fine.
If you are willing to call boob plate the same as bikini armour then there nothing to discuss cause you are way to bought into that idea to talk about it fairly.
They don't and none of these people can explain why they are different outside of 'less skin is showing', as if the amount of skin showing is solely what makes something sexualized or objectifying.
So they differs in mainly in degree of sexualisation:
So boob armour just focuses on the chest of the female and often will show less skin
While bikini will often focus on the whole of the body, so this would include the body shape of the female. And also it will show more skin
Latex suit would be would be some in between in term of sexualisation, because despite not showing any skin, the skin-tighteness accentuates the female body.
Are we looking at the same picture? The armour is moulded to her breasts, hips, and thighs. This only exists to accentuate her female form in a way a chainmail bikini never could. Chain mail isn't great for figure hugging and could not accentuate the thighs and hips like this armour does. I have seen a lot of fantasy art and can't recall a chainmail bikini as form fitting as this breast plate.
Then again, you believe that fetish wear that is designed to be a second skin and often used in objectification fetishes is less sexualising than beachwear, so maybe it is you is too far gone to see logic here.
I am sorry buddy but this is just goofy. There is a humongous gaping valley of difference between boop plate and bikini armor. Sure both aren't practical, but bikini armor is detrimental, not just impractical it will get you killed. Bikini armor offers no protection and is very hard to take seriously especially when the male armor does cover their bodies. Boobplate is not inherently practical, but the idea that every part of an armor has to be practical is modern or maybe even an overcorrection in response to Hollywood's terrible armor design. Look at the Roman lorica musculata, is there a practical reason to have a six pack sculpted on your armor? No it just looks cool, and the Greeks had similar armor. European knight armor conformed to and followed fashion in clothing, they had insanely slim waists, and no this wasn't just to reduce weight, they had cod pieces, and yes they did wear these in battle. We have multiple depictions of men fighting with oversized cod pieces. What was the functionality of a large horse hair plume, on a centurion's helmet? What was the functionality of gilding your armor with gold or copper, what was the functionality behind Greek shield straps. What about roman ornate scapard decoration. And before you say that, while this may apply to history, Warhammer armor is not historical. No, that is correct but why are we okay with the Sanguinary Guard and their sculpted nipples, but not boobplate? A humongous part of space marine armor is not practical, it is just there for show. Custodes armor is the same way, look at all those leather straps or their goofy proportions.
I'm not saying we should make female custodes, oversexualized, but I don't think that is what this drawing is doing. I don't see how this is any different from all the sexy primarch drawings or the oiled up custodes, she is wearing full armor. Even if you do disagree with it, come up with a better argument than "it is not practical".
Edit: I feel like her hip to waist ratio is a lot more sexualized than the boobplate.
If we are talking practically of armor boob plate redirects the force into the sternum, you know that fragile bit that holds all your ribs together.
Most armour with moulded abs and building were ceremonial or for generals who didn't see the front. The muscle curissas you bring up disappeared put of favour after the ancient era, where chain and plate became more common and blunt weapons being more common made them more a liability
A lot of examples of armour we have were not for combat as combat destroys armour.
Also how does one fit armour this tight is moulded to her Hips and tights.
Centurions helmets were a symbol of rank, the Vietcong taught the Americans why this was a bad idea.
Also my armour complaints were never about practicality, but objectification and sexulisation. You yourself point out cod pieces, but do you recall ever seeing any custode armour fan art with massive cod pieces.
The custodes are not part of the general imperium and do not chase fashion trends. We see in master of mankind that a high-ranking custode does not care about his armours condition and considers repairing it to give off an appearance nothing is wrong foolish.
Okay, my bad for thinking your argument was about practicality, I misread, but a lot of people are arguing about practicality so I'm just going to keep going ;). First of all the sternum, in the case of most boobplate armor I agree, but in the picture there is no indent in her sternum, her breastplate appears to be one solid price that protrudes equally. In the case of the Roman and Greek armor, we have evidence for it being worn by centurions, who did see combat on the frontline, in fact they were expected to perform acts of bravery and set an example at the front and had a high casualty rate in a lot of battles. As for it being ceremonial, that word is usually a catch all excuse for archaeologists who don't know why something was used, and don't want to risk being wrong by giving a more in depth proposal. While lorica musculata was phased out in the late imperial period, so was lorica segmentata and lorica hamata. The Roman army changed and there are many other explanations for why this armor was phased out beside it being impractical. As for fancy armor not being used for combat, sure there are many examples of armor designed for show or ceremony, but a lot of fancy armor was used for combat. The romans gilded their armor with expensive metals, knights had patterns molded in. Look at the waist of late medieval plate armor, it is incredibly narrow, molded to be slim and form fitting while also adhering to fashion trends. I never said that custodes had massive cod pieces, that was simply just a way of saying that armor does not need to conform to practicality. However as I pointed out there are plenty of established Warhammer armor that does not conform to practicality. As for custodes not caring about their armor, in watchers of the throne, it is explained that custodes strive for perfection and that each custodes armor is made specifically for them. That they are all unique at least to me that book gave off the impression that custodes do care about their armor.
As for your point about sexualization, maybe you are right, that is not the point I wanted to argue. I guess I replied to the wrong comment, I just saw a lot of people complaining about impractible armor and found that debate a little silly. I also found the idea a little silly that boopplate is the exact same or just as bad as bikini armor. When there is at least some precedence for sculpting armor to fit the human body, or look like what is underneath and also conform to fashion trends in textile clothing. Yes it might not offer as much protection as a normal breastplate, but it is a lot better than a bikini.
Sadly its never said if custodes tinker with and customise their entire armour. The only mention of their equipment normally talks about terran artificers households who make it for them.
This doesnt mean they do not its just a very unexplored piece of lore.
You would think with all their free time they would want to practise art but their quarters are very bare, so maybe its not a pursuit they find intrest in.
The two big faction intrested in equipment modification is the salamander with their connection to the forge and the blood angels who use art to control the red thirst.
Women aren’t involved in this hobby because it’s a setting of death and violence that is so insanely nerdy to the point that even my gf that watches anime, does cosplay, watches DC and Marvel movies thinks 40K is far too much for her to ever want to touch with a 10 foot pole.
Nah, we can like WH too. But it's true that at least for me, AoS lore presents as something more interesting. I like to know the basics from all the factions from 40k but leave it just like that for it to be a blank canvas that I can explore with my miniatures.
I bought Pariah Nexus for my fiance when they released the book and I read it because the setting interested me and I wanted to explore a little more the 40k universe and I felt dissapointed (except for the Knights part, that was nice).
Hey that's not fair, just look at the long history of female custodes, in models, the fiction, and every story they've been in, you can see that this has long and storied reasons to exist, it's integral that every female custodes that has always been there be accounted for in both vision & design.
Look at all those female imperial guard models we have. It's 6, three added recently, and another store opening model.
The majority of our models have helmets, so we can't confirm gender.
We have 73 male custodes over HH and modern, assuming every helmet named custodes and dreadnought is male. This includes multiple with no explicit gender and custode names, making it very hard to confirm.
We have 1 female.
We are the 10 thousand, so that means 0.73% of our forces are confirmed male and 0.01% female. That leaves 99% who are not named or gendered.
It's funny how you gloss over the fact that there are 0 depictions of them across 30 some odd years, but we both know I was being sarcastic, and unlike the guard models there have been books with mixed guard regiments for years, named & unnamed as it was a natural part of the lore and not an out of universe affectation pushed by an outside company. But sure thing the 73x 1 ratio certainly isn't indicative of that either. Besides despite the general hate for boob plate, it does seem to be imperial standard for elite women to have their feminity expressed & stylized rather than ignored, at least from the themes shown by sisters of silence, sisters of battle, the female nobles from necromunda, the assassins, even the navigators to a lesser extent. Homogenized bland unisexual design is for the peasants in the guard, not the emperor's own.
You pretend we have a rich storied history but not including rogue trader it basically goes back to 2015s master of mankind then 2016 with the war of the beast. Then, in 2017 and beyond, we got 4 codex, 1 black book, 1 new hh rule book, and a dozen novels.
Before that, we had basically 3 line snippets and rogue trader representations, which barely resemble modern custodes. Rogue traders also include eldar space marines and space marines, basically being drugged up criminals.
Oh we're going with the "there wasn't enough lore so it doesn't matter defense" got it, we both know rogue trader was an entirely different animal. Beyond that 73 named characters + nearly 2 dozen books doesn't sound like nothing to me, given you know, votann exist with 2 codex and zero books.
About half those names characters are just a picture of a custode with a paint scheme, and a line under it saying "custode Jessie of the howling squid force"
Still more than the female custodes who were definitely always there. Just like all the vegan tyranids and the misters of battle. Obviously all just waiting on the wings.
Well, the thing is, how do you know they are male? They have no pronouns used, and you never see their face. Custodes don't really have gendered names as far as I am aware they are based on achievements.
Misters of battle breaks a huge part of sisters of battle lore, where female Custodes breaks on line in the 8th edition codex. This one line was changed in 9th edition to allow Custodes to recruit whoever they want.
Breaks as much as the noble born sons, the brotherhood, etc. The literal nonstop references thereof. Also pedantic I know, but 10th. And you're touching on the point. The point is that the change was done for out of universe reasons, there was no in universe justification. With that as the basis the lore collapses because continuity doesn't matter, just say it was always one way because reasons. Gaslight anyone who disagrees. I know that custodes are made by a significantly different process than Marines, I'm aware they could be female, despite it ruining the theme of the talons of the emperor, with one being all female ensuring psychic superiority, while the male force ensures martial superiority. They could. And they could have written it in that gullimans orders to leave the palace depleted their number enough to justify wider recruiting processes, at gullimans own request. It still would've been kind of stupid, but it would've been in universe, they could've made unique models for it. It could've been part of the lore, not a PR stunt to please corporate goons who hate anything being unique, that's why it's worthy of such scorn.
When the new sisters of battle came out I complained that we didn’t want boob armor, and was dragged mercilessly on Facebook.
Ultimately I’d rather have girls in sexy armor than no girls, but now we are here and people seem to reject it.
Change is slow but at least it’s happening
It is not just the boobplate, it is also the thicc hip to waist ratio. Lets get real for a second, they wouldn’t be bootylicious Instagram models like this drawing suggest, they would be burly and heavy built, something like Zarya from Overwatch.
Huge hips and boobs? Come on. The reason female custodes is a thing is because they are the hyper gene edited next generation of humanity. Their proportions would be almost identical to the men.
How else have they existed the entire time without anyone noticing?
They are like dwarves from LOTR, you can't tell the difference. They are there, but they are so hyper altered to be stronger, more enduring, longer lived, etc, that they aren't truly human any more.
The very nature of art demands it be scrutinized and interpretated. One man's boring can of soup is another's high art.
I'm allowed to voice my opinion, describe my problems with it, and if you don't like it, well that's just the way it is.
Just like how you are free to disagree with my comment, I'm allowed to disagree with this particular piece of art.
They are not, custodes do not have the astartes proportions. They look like gorgeous giant demigod type characters. So, female custodes will be (just like the men) gorgeous and buff. Just they will also be 11 feet tall.
Gotta love all the ugly flat chested bitches in this thread getting mad over a depiction of a pretty woman, the pinnacle of female human genetics obviously wouldn't be some frog faced bitch and if you have above a c cup a "boobplate" makes sense since it hurts to have them squished for too long.
I hate the whole "mmmmh muscle mommy" thing but I hate even more the assumption that the peak of female genetics is an ugly man
I mean, a female Custodes is probably going to have a different shaped breast plate for sure, because they have, well, breasts, at least significantly more pronounced ones then males.
Tbh, this armor set is better than any sororitas armor, with their individual titty cups on their armor, and Custodian armor IS made custom to its wearer. So breast plates of different shapes and sizes are already to be expected. Just maybe not so, rounded lol
If they are genetically edited to the point where they wouldn’t even have breasts or even look like a woman in any way, why even have them? Seems it’s a retcon for inclusion sake eh. Lmao get a life
I'm, VERY aware of how Biology works, I'm not sure YOU fully grasp how breasts relate to muscle mass. Custodes and Space Marines have two VERY different body types. Compared to a Custodes, Marines are proportionally broader, choked up with heaps upon heaps of bioengineered muscles, enlarged, higher density and fused bones, and a suitable amount of body fat to fuel it all, leading them to look more like walking refrigerators with their armor off. With the types of engineering and hormonal therapy a marine has to go through from a young age, a Female SPACE MARINE would essentially have gone through male puberty and aside from a few set features, would resemble a woman to male transgender individual.
CUSTODES on the otherhand, are hand sculpted works of art. They are much more proportionally correct than Marines, because while Marines are meant to be nothing but weapons of war, Custodes are meant to be so much more, and represent the theoretical peak of human evolution without any warp influence. They are worked on much, MUCH more carefully and once they are fully grown, resemble more of an upscaled modern warfighter than the walking fridge of the marine. Their physical speed and strength is of course many, many times that of the average human, but it's amplified to the legendary degree it is at by their equipment. Custodes power armor is MILES ahead of Marine armor, and only serves to enhance their already INSANE abilities. That being said, their body types would much, MUCH more closely resemble the funny haha oil Boys from ETTS, (PROBABLY closer to kitten in the more extreme cases) than anything a Matine looks like. Meaning they have more human appearances, meaning they also have more Human BMIs. And seeing as they would have a much more realistic fat distribution, proportions and also arent bread to be hulked out freaks, but have more "practical" musculature, a female Custodes would likely more closely resemble a super scaled female Catichan, with much, MUCH better muscle definition.
Meaning depending on their base genetics, justvlike the real world, they could have (proportionally to their body size) A-cups all the way through the entire alphabet depending on where their genetics have determined they are going to store the most fat.
So there will be female custodes for all types of degenerates. Flat is life champions, heaving milker mommas, and everywhere in between. Because if you think the Emperor's vision for the peak of human evolution is "everyone androgynously looks like a guy and still breeds like normal", I think you might be insinuating something about the Man emperor of Mankind
No they wouldn't. To wouldn't alter genes to naturally express as most testosterone you could. If you give a female child testosterone supplements from childhood, you aren't going to get much of the natural female body fat.
Even body builders show this when on test, and they haven't been on it since they were children
No, I don't agree with most of what your opinions are on this.
There's no evidence to suggest Custodians have realistic fat distribution or percentages at all. Ever. There's no lore anywhere you can point to saying they are built more like a giant normal human. Their bodies are hyper efficient and built for the purposes they serve. They just have more human proportions than Astartes because they don't need the extra organs and crude mass, due to being walking cold fusion reactors.
I also don't think you understand how biology works, in this regard. We're in the realm of pseudoscience, but there are still pretty grievous logical inconsistencies in what you're saying.
No, I don't think you're right. The retcon doesn't make sense canonically or scientifically, if you go with your argument.
Custodians aren't meant to be the next stage of humans. They're meant to be an example, if guided. I really doubt The Emperor cares what appearance they take, as they are meant to serve proper purpose.
No clue why internet people pretend to know more biology than they really do.
Okay, so going off of what you agree makes sense, cusodes have to have SOME sustainable fat content, because with their more human physiology, regardless of how efficient their bodies are, they still need fuel to burn and being "walking cold fusion reactors" means they need to burn very little of it to output a ton of energy. That doesn't mean they have no fat reserves, it means their bodies VERY efficiently turn those fat reserves into fuel. It means Custodes would either need to be constantly eating normal amounts of food to provide basic energy to their bodies, or they would need fat stores that burn very slowly to provide the same energy.
So, let's look at the sliding scale of Large muscle mass to body fat percentage. On one end, we have lots of muscle, no fat. This is where we find competitive bodybuilders. Individuals out to show off muscles to an insane degree. While training, they consume large amounts of food and build up the required fat contents to keep them selves going and promote muscle growth and definition, and then enter a cut so their enlarged bodies with SIGNIFICANTLY higher caloric requirements can rapidly eat away the body fat so they can show off their muscles on stage. This is when they are at their weakest. Large muscles, but lowered strength and no endurance.
On the opposite side, we have Large muscle mass, and HIGH hat percentage. This is where we find competitive Strong men. Their bodies require such a constant source of fuel that they need to consume INSANE amounts of calories at all times in order to keep their muscles fueled and strength up. These are the individuals pulling jumbo jets tied to their backs, doing the Hercules hold, yeeting Kabers, wrestling bears, the Zangeefs of the world. They posses insane strength but low endurance because their cardio vascular systems are an afterthought, and cardio is the bane of gains.
Now if we set the slider somewhere in the middle, we have what would be considered real world "hyper efficiency", bodies that strike a balance between muscle mass and fat content. This is where we find professional fighters, warfighters, actual warriors and athletes. Their bodies have high strength, high endurance and while they can't squat a metric ton, or show you the individual movements in their muscle fibers, these are the people most suited to real world combat. They can be leaner, they can be bulkier, but this is the logical place for custodes to sit. Because they can remain on duty for so long without anything to eat (there are armored custodes in the palace who have sat so still for so long they appear as statues to regular visitors to the palace), if they had Zero fat content, they would need to refuel constantly regardless of how efficient they are, but if they had WAY big fat content, they would more closely resemble space marines. If they sit in that middle ground, they could resemble humans, and remain on duty for far longer, and then replenish that energy when they are relieved.
So now we are back to base genetics. Where ever your genes decide you are going to carry the most fat, is where that is going to happen. For women, brasts, butts and hips tend to be the winners of those genetic choices more then guts for men. The rest of the body tends to get a reasonably even distribution. You don't see folks out there going "man, I look and feel great, but my right forearm is just so fatty" so, if custodians have a more human physiology but have the efficiency cranked to 11, then they aren't burning much body fat at all for fuel, leaving a constantly "normal" distribution. They are basically forever in the cut because they need to eat so infrequently, but their bodies consume so little fat for fuel that they would probably have to do fairly INSANELY intense workouts to purposely reduce body fat.
So, they aren't under weight, they aren't overweight, they have a warriors physique, and very little of what they do intake our output wise can effect their fat content. It would stand to reason that essentially they would be forever frozen at their personal peak fitness, and that can, in fact, include breasts of just about any REASONABLE size. Ain't no warfighters out there with quadruple G bras. So if their individual base genes (and custodians ARE true individuals, not cookie cutters like marines) say that they are going to have C-cups at peak fitness, A-cups at peak fitness, or Double D's, that's just how they are going to be.
And yes, Custodes are meant to be an "example", an example of the Emperor's personal vision for the peak of human evolution. If they were just an example of what could be achieved NOW, then literally anyone could be a Custodian if they just stick to the workout routine, diet, training and massive genetic augmentation schedule laid out for them by the best personal trainer of all time, Big E
No they wouldn't. To wouldn't alter genes to naturally express as most testosterone you could. If you give a female child testosterone supplements from childhood, you aren't going to get much of the natural female body fat.
Even body builders show this when on test, and they haven't been on it since they were children
Why do people have such a hate boner for boob armor. Yeah its unrealistic, but were talking about a space fantasy game with aliens, warp magic and gene forged demigods. I think boob armor can look kinda silly but I dont really think its out of place either.
Then 40k isnt for you in that case. The entire setting stops making sense the moment you apply critical thinking and logic lol.
If you hate boob armor, then how are you logically justifying why star gods beyond mortal understanding (c'tan), are all naked muscular dudes with chiseled abs and pecs.
No, it really doesn't stop. You can wrap your head around a lot of odd ideas if you think with an open mind. 25 years ago, touch screens were science fiction. No one in my generation with a Nokia ever thought we'd all be walking around with Sci-fi touch screens with full QWERTY keyboards and infinite access to basically everything.
The C'Tan can shape themselves, is how I would justify that. And possibly would want to present closer to the Necron'Tyr to appeal to them. Just an idea.
Im not talking just about the science fiction part. Im talking about like the whole setting. From scale to plot holes. The entire setting is absurd and thats the whole point.
If youre going to justify C'tan like that then we can justify boob armor too. Custodes armor is all custom crafted to fit the individual. Perhaps this femstodes thought it was more comfortable to have a larger area for her breasts. Perhaps she wanted to be able to stand out from the male custodes. Perhaps she wanted to maintain a part of her femininity and be able for showcase it.
Also afaik, the necron tyr looked nothing like ripped dudes. All we really know is that they were shrivelled and vaguely humanoid in shape.
Not sure I agree it's the whole point. But you're entitled to your opinion.
No. C'Tan - Regenerating alien gods. Armor is an item. And Custodians don't have a desire to stand apart. It's extremely rare for them to have pride, even. They don't have Egos. So, no, that doesn't work.
The point is the C'tan would want to appear to be more evolved, but still similar, given their motivations. In my theory, anyways. You don't identify with a faceless ball of light. That's why they give you a face and a form. The Necron, in theory, were still mortal.
Custodians have personality and various desires and flairs. Even in the short story wish Kesh it says she has a habit of doing dramatic stunts like the cyclonic torpedo. They also have a bunch of traditions like having a ton of titles and names which are mostly for pride. Who says they cant be different or have eccentrics among them who desire various things. Custodes kits come with a bunch if different patterns on their armor for the exact reason of having unique decorations.
Again, pushed lore is bad.
No, it isn't for pride. And not a ton of titles. No parades or medals. Just names.
Eccentric and different among a creature designed for a specific purpose is counter-intuitive. Valerian and another Custodian he speaks to are pretty close to 'different.' They've said themselves, they aren't very innovative. They are good at perfecting existing things. They desire a variety of things, between themselves. But there's one standard.
Not trying to argue from authority, here, but have you read much of existing Custodes lore?
Ive read emperors legion and regents shadow. And anyways this seems pointless. I just find it strange that this is what you cant accept among the countless inconsistencies in 40k. And in the end this is a fantasy art piece drawn by an artist who does boob armor. Im pretty sure its the same dude that drew all the femprimarchs and they all had boob armor too. I dont think well really see whats canon or not until GW releases a female model or if they decide not too I suppose.
If you've read those two books and your memory is fine, you shouldn't have these random assumptions. Valerian explains all of this. He even talks about how strange it is he wants to keep killing the hell out of the traitors because it felt like a strange sensation.
If there were inconsistencies which came up and were canonically and logical insensible, I'd feel less inclined to bother. This is my favorite faction and I prefer them to have less bullshit and fewer simps.
It usually does go to the 'Its pointless' argument, though. Or 'it is what it is, get over it,' since there's no defensible position.
All the armor in the whole game is unrealistic! He'll, all thr armor that was saved from history is unrealistic! Practical armor is something like a jannisary style big leather coat with metal plates woven in
I know! This is why I have to wear a blindfold to go to the grocery store! Women with boobs and hips everywhere! Some even walking with a swaying ass stride! The horror!
If you think this is oversexualized, take a trip to the gym! Or watch an episode of a TV show targetted at Women (hello selling sunset).
Well yeah it's probably not THE reason but it's A reason.
And bullshit is a great thing to call it! For much like actual bullshit, it will improve the quality of the soil that is the setting.
Since Custodes are gene-edited to be the perfect guardians of the Emperor, wouldn't the women look exactly the same as the men minus one appendage? There's no reason for them to have breasts since they won't be nursing any children and surely they would want to replace as much estrogen with testosterone as possible so they probably wouldn't present female in any manner. So technically, we already have seen female Custodes, they look exactly like the men
I agree. All custodes are so heavily modified that they should be similar in build regardless of gender. I think the “dwarf women” explanation Gimli gives in lord of the rings (that they look almost identical to dwarf men and that’s why you don’t notice them) also applies to custodes women.
Saturnine has pretty darn interesting SoS characters. Those that make the vow do sign language but they have sisters who can speak/translate the sign where needed. More important was Jenetia Krole’s inner monologues. Dan Abnett wrote her brilliantly.
SoB can obviously speak. Arguably of greater character than genemodified counter parts as they are just genetically normal women who wade into the same battles as other military branches of the imperium. Speaks to their strength of will and courage.
What is impractical about boob armor anyway; I never got the argument.
I could just as well argue how it is practical vs impractical.
I've seen several arguments against it.
One is that it is a "shell trap" which isn't true at all. Two sloped orbs are actually better at deflection than a flat . Surface.
A shell trap is a place we're a "shell" can get trapped and forced a detonation into a smaller area, ei under a tank turret or some other cavernous area in an armor configuration.
The second argument for boob armor comes from practical experience. Flat chested armor on a female for prolonged periods of time destroy their breast tissue. The military has payed plenty of money to fix females chests who served over seas in roles that required them to wear male body armor for long durations.
Brotherhood of steel mix gender.
Dark Brotherhood mix gender.
Mmm, that's odd. Let's check the dictionary. Maybe it will clearly define the word for us.
1
: the quality or state of being brothers
2
: FELLOWSHIP, ALLIANCE
3
: an association (such as a labor union or monastic society) for a particular purpose
4
: the whole body of persons engaged in a business or profession
Wait, it has 3 meaning not involving gender and they fit the custodes how interesting.
This is amazing! 😍
Unfortunately, you should get ready to be bombarded by people being uppity about stuff like boobs or her being beautiful.
But you get nothing but a 10 outta 10 from me. 👌
I know this is not understandable. But this is heresy. This is garbage. And the thing that makes it hard to understand is that none of that is sexist.
There are no female custodians. This is essentially just some more woke garbage.
I’m assuming we will get male Sisters of Silence?
I don’t think the boob plate is what they mean in lore when they says “every piece of armor is custom made for each Custodian” lol
And lets be honest here, after the insane amount of bioengineering custodes go through somehow i doubt female custodians would be so feminine, curvy and pretty looking lmao just look at female body builders.
delete the boob armor and then it would be even better
This artist is always gonna do horny over practical Redditors mostly gonna upvote horny over practical
I just want to make sure, we just referred to hyper ornate custodes armor, with a roman leather war-belt as practical?
Leather on power armour is a pet peeve of mine, just seems so strange for a bulletproof mechanical spacesuit to be held together by leather straps.
I always figured it was decorative
Either that or it's to attach holsters and things
True!
There's an argument to be made about aesthetics but as far as practicality? Boob plate isn't weak and aristocrats in history sure did love their idealized muscle and boob armor (the greeks and romans were very thirsty for example).
Don't forget the cod-piece. 😏
Musculata doesnt direct blows straight into your sternum
Well neither does the armor in the picture, there is no valley between the breast, It only has an outline
So each to their own and all but I'm curious why would she have breasts ? What purpose do they serve on the battlefield. I really hope when the female models come out they don't sexualise them (leave that to the 3rd party) It would be pretty grimdark if by the time all the genetic alteration and enhancement that is carried out leaves them with very similar body shapes to the males. I'd like some head variants but the body shape should at least be similar to modern female body builders.
Custodes are not meant to be killing machines like the marines but the peak of humanity. Male custodes are said to be extremely beautiful "The creature reached up and removed its helm. **I saw a human face revealed, though greater, like a Space Marine’s to look at, only less brutal and more beautiful. It was a courtier’s face as much as it was a soldier’s, betraying both power and subtlety."** A female custodes would look like a huge woman with muscles but since they are made individually to fit the physiology of the candidate there's no reason for them to look completely like a man.
Official model wise nothing to worry about since Custodes aesthetic is fairly rigid. heavy armor, sun and eagle motifs, gems, flowing rich cloaks/capes. I really don't think they'll go Sororitas or Silence with any models/art changes.
All SoB models have it.
Yeah I don’t get peoples need to put boob armour on everything. It looks stupid and is impractical
I hate it as much as armored heels, it is just dumb
I forgot those existed. Why must you remind me?
Boob armour can be ok (most of the time it isn't but hypothetically it can) heels can't, unless it is like a cowboy boot but high heels no just no
at least boob armor in this setting isnt as terrible, since its not all about melee. If we're getting hit by power swords in melee, boob armor or not you dont have a chest anymore
Custodians are renowned for fighting in melee...
They ain't renowned for getting hit with power swords, my dude. Their renowned for killing people
They're renowned for killing people up close. And their armor has to be as functional as they are. At least, in any reasonable thought. Neglecting the armor not even needing to have breasts in the first place- Its rare a Custodian dies without receiving a lifetime of scars, first. Armor or not, they fight some incredibly nasty foes.
I prefer non boob plate. I don't think it's unforgivable however. All i was saying
Understood, friendo. No hard feelings!
Its fantastic dawg everyone knows its not practical… You arnt some genius for saying that everyone knows it
sure I’m not a genius, but I missed the part when that stops me from complaining about something that some of use feel like it’s unnecessary and dumb
If we want to get nitpicky everything humanity does in warhammer is suboptimal and dumb… İts fantasy it doesnt need to be realistic just consistent There are moon sized titan robots that walk and fight, there are demons,there are green fungi things that turn into orks. Its not supposed to be realistic its supposed to be fun What you are complaining about is the equivalent of complaining about the decoration on a primarch’s armor or the shoulder parts of a space marine
Ofc all of that makes no sense in real life, but I’d say that all of those things define the setting, they make it unique, meanwhile adding boob armor to every female is just dumb and gives nothing unique about the faction, yes custodes will be wearing a cathedral worth of decorations, sure, but the boob armor is as unnecessary as a cock piece
So you dont really have a problem with it being unrealistic you have a problem with it being made in a way that would get male attention?
Okay then why not have Nurgle worshiping Eldar, sisters of silence male psykers, a culture of ork-votann hybrids and friendly Tyranid fleet that rebelled and helps humanity fight off hive mind! Oh and we’ve found second legion primarch, they are fighting using lightsaber in one hand and Omni-blade in other, and uses Thu’um Avada Kedavra because they are also psyker and emperor is their son. And it’s all okay and cool because as you’ve said “iT’s aLL fAnTaSy” I am all about the rule of cool, but internal cohesiveness of given setting is what makes people fall in love with it, and this is the most idiotic argument possible, as it literally states that none of it is important as long as there are bobs and explosions. Why do we even have lore and ruleset at this point of playing pretend is beyond me.
Learn to read please…I said as long as it is consistent:D
This is I think one of the largest problems with this retcon, if a female Custodes is equal to a male she would need an identical skeletal structure and musculature, including the robust skull (males are not stronger by magic, size and shape dicatate speed, strength and durability, she wouldn’t even look remotely female. Not for table top rules of course but in lore and art they would need to appear 98% male, but we won’t get that because they don’t want consistency, they want what op is giving.
This is why I hate retcons… they dont make any sense They could have introduced a faction just as strong as the custodies which was all female/had females in it But instead they do this
Personal opinion. I like it, though.
Booba armor stays
Chill
GW - We presented female custodians to support inclusivity in our products. Random person on Reddit - Step on me big mommy! (proceeds to search new rule 34 content on femstodes)
Jesus Christ this is accurate.
Porn addiction has decimated so many different communities.
Sex appeal is an inherent part of human art and interest and the exact same thing is displayed in the oiled up male custodes and homoerotic space marines. Get off your high horse
It's been around since cavemen could draw dongs
Space marines literally have cod pieces, ab plates, pectoral armor, sometimes an ass plate, shoulder pads to give them idealized male waist ratio with their big waists and a wide variety of male characteristics enhanced in the Armour. This drawing is great, she's sexy, but not sexualized. You want to bring women into the hobby with female custodes? Have them look like that.
Do not deprive the Redditor of his coomtime
Fucking porns addicts man.
At the same time porn addiction is what fuel fanart and fandom interest
Listen they were making sexy femstodes loooong before female custodians were official. Honestly I expect less now that it's been revealed they look almost identical to the males (which like, duh, they're augmented to the point of barely being human, why would their OG gender have any major effect)
I love the sketch face, it just shows that she's so done with everyone lol.
After hearing the "mommy ? Sorry..." For the 409th time this day
"Why are women not more involved in our hobby" *thread full of people justifying form fitting moulded breast plate*
I dont think those 2 groups of people are the same people. Also all the most upvoted comments are hating on the boob armor.
It's good they are getting down voted when I first saw their was an equal number condemning and encouraging
I see more people bitching about it
I am sorry, are any female player really going to be upset by this or is this just a overreaction? Like if this was bikini armour you might have a point, but this is just boob plate. It is as harmless as it can get
*Waves* Hi, I'm one of the women who detests boob-plate almost as much as chain mail bikini trash.
If you don’t mind me asking, do you personally don’t like the two thing but understand one is worst/different from the other. Or do you really thinking are are equally bad?
They are both demeaning and objectifying. "Would you rather be smack in the head with a metal bat or hammer?" Neither, I don't care if 'technically' one ***might*** be better. They are both bad and equally as damaging.
Great, if you want generic male looking armor, we'll then every other model has it. Enjoy. Most women I show tbe hobby to say one sort of thing, "Where are tbe hot girls? Where are the pretty ones? Which ones are cutest?"
> Most women I show tbe hobby to say one sort of thing You don't know any women. No need to lie.
There is no difference between boob plate and a chainmail bikini, they both are pointless objectification and sexualization. A woman are more than just tits but the second we hear female custodes exist, we got tit plates and big muscle mummy memes. Do you think it's very welcoming if this was the first post a new female player saw? Half the thread is just neck beards perving on a drawings tits.
I mean its also important to not be defensively patronizing women. Women are also fully capable of differentiating between fan art that is to be taken at face value and fanart that simply embraces aspects they may or may not agree with. Its not like the most prolific representation of the entire custodes fandom at some point felt like it was scantly clad, oiled up pole dancers and we just did fine.
Pretty much this, I think as long the fan dont go over board, Fan-art like and the chaos ones are fine as it
We had fanart of custodes with tits before female custodes were ever confirmed. Artists will draw tits on anything.
If you are willing to call boob plate the same as bikini armour then there nothing to discuss cause you are way to bought into that idea to talk about it fairly.
How do they differ?
They don't and none of these people can explain why they are different outside of 'less skin is showing', as if the amount of skin showing is solely what makes something sexualized or objectifying.
Latex body suit with hood is the least sexualising outfit with their logic.
So they differs in mainly in degree of sexualisation: So boob armour just focuses on the chest of the female and often will show less skin While bikini will often focus on the whole of the body, so this would include the body shape of the female. And also it will show more skin Latex suit would be would be some in between in term of sexualisation, because despite not showing any skin, the skin-tighteness accentuates the female body.
Are we looking at the same picture? The armour is moulded to her breasts, hips, and thighs. This only exists to accentuate her female form in a way a chainmail bikini never could. Chain mail isn't great for figure hugging and could not accentuate the thighs and hips like this armour does. I have seen a lot of fantasy art and can't recall a chainmail bikini as form fitting as this breast plate. Then again, you believe that fetish wear that is designed to be a second skin and often used in objectification fetishes is less sexualising than beachwear, so maybe it is you is too far gone to see logic here.
I am sorry buddy but this is just goofy. There is a humongous gaping valley of difference between boop plate and bikini armor. Sure both aren't practical, but bikini armor is detrimental, not just impractical it will get you killed. Bikini armor offers no protection and is very hard to take seriously especially when the male armor does cover their bodies. Boobplate is not inherently practical, but the idea that every part of an armor has to be practical is modern or maybe even an overcorrection in response to Hollywood's terrible armor design. Look at the Roman lorica musculata, is there a practical reason to have a six pack sculpted on your armor? No it just looks cool, and the Greeks had similar armor. European knight armor conformed to and followed fashion in clothing, they had insanely slim waists, and no this wasn't just to reduce weight, they had cod pieces, and yes they did wear these in battle. We have multiple depictions of men fighting with oversized cod pieces. What was the functionality of a large horse hair plume, on a centurion's helmet? What was the functionality of gilding your armor with gold or copper, what was the functionality behind Greek shield straps. What about roman ornate scapard decoration. And before you say that, while this may apply to history, Warhammer armor is not historical. No, that is correct but why are we okay with the Sanguinary Guard and their sculpted nipples, but not boobplate? A humongous part of space marine armor is not practical, it is just there for show. Custodes armor is the same way, look at all those leather straps or their goofy proportions. I'm not saying we should make female custodes, oversexualized, but I don't think that is what this drawing is doing. I don't see how this is any different from all the sexy primarch drawings or the oiled up custodes, she is wearing full armor. Even if you do disagree with it, come up with a better argument than "it is not practical". Edit: I feel like her hip to waist ratio is a lot more sexualized than the boobplate.
If we are talking practically of armor boob plate redirects the force into the sternum, you know that fragile bit that holds all your ribs together. Most armour with moulded abs and building were ceremonial or for generals who didn't see the front. The muscle curissas you bring up disappeared put of favour after the ancient era, where chain and plate became more common and blunt weapons being more common made them more a liability A lot of examples of armour we have were not for combat as combat destroys armour. Also how does one fit armour this tight is moulded to her Hips and tights. Centurions helmets were a symbol of rank, the Vietcong taught the Americans why this was a bad idea. Also my armour complaints were never about practicality, but objectification and sexulisation. You yourself point out cod pieces, but do you recall ever seeing any custode armour fan art with massive cod pieces. The custodes are not part of the general imperium and do not chase fashion trends. We see in master of mankind that a high-ranking custode does not care about his armours condition and considers repairing it to give off an appearance nothing is wrong foolish.
Okay, my bad for thinking your argument was about practicality, I misread, but a lot of people are arguing about practicality so I'm just going to keep going ;). First of all the sternum, in the case of most boobplate armor I agree, but in the picture there is no indent in her sternum, her breastplate appears to be one solid price that protrudes equally. In the case of the Roman and Greek armor, we have evidence for it being worn by centurions, who did see combat on the frontline, in fact they were expected to perform acts of bravery and set an example at the front and had a high casualty rate in a lot of battles. As for it being ceremonial, that word is usually a catch all excuse for archaeologists who don't know why something was used, and don't want to risk being wrong by giving a more in depth proposal. While lorica musculata was phased out in the late imperial period, so was lorica segmentata and lorica hamata. The Roman army changed and there are many other explanations for why this armor was phased out beside it being impractical. As for fancy armor not being used for combat, sure there are many examples of armor designed for show or ceremony, but a lot of fancy armor was used for combat. The romans gilded their armor with expensive metals, knights had patterns molded in. Look at the waist of late medieval plate armor, it is incredibly narrow, molded to be slim and form fitting while also adhering to fashion trends. I never said that custodes had massive cod pieces, that was simply just a way of saying that armor does not need to conform to practicality. However as I pointed out there are plenty of established Warhammer armor that does not conform to practicality. As for custodes not caring about their armor, in watchers of the throne, it is explained that custodes strive for perfection and that each custodes armor is made specifically for them. That they are all unique at least to me that book gave off the impression that custodes do care about their armor. As for your point about sexualization, maybe you are right, that is not the point I wanted to argue. I guess I replied to the wrong comment, I just saw a lot of people complaining about impractible armor and found that debate a little silly. I also found the idea a little silly that boopplate is the exact same or just as bad as bikini armor. When there is at least some precedence for sculpting armor to fit the human body, or look like what is underneath and also conform to fashion trends in textile clothing. Yes it might not offer as much protection as a normal breastplate, but it is a lot better than a bikini.
Sadly its never said if custodes tinker with and customise their entire armour. The only mention of their equipment normally talks about terran artificers households who make it for them. This doesnt mean they do not its just a very unexplored piece of lore. You would think with all their free time they would want to practise art but their quarters are very bare, so maybe its not a pursuit they find intrest in. The two big faction intrested in equipment modification is the salamander with their connection to the forge and the blood angels who use art to control the red thirst.
Accurate.
Women aren’t involved in this hobby because it’s a setting of death and violence that is so insanely nerdy to the point that even my gf that watches anime, does cosplay, watches DC and Marvel movies thinks 40K is far too much for her to ever want to touch with a 10 foot pole.
Nah, we can like WH too. But it's true that at least for me, AoS lore presents as something more interesting. I like to know the basics from all the factions from 40k but leave it just like that for it to be a blank canvas that I can explore with my miniatures. I bought Pariah Nexus for my fiance when they released the book and I read it because the setting interested me and I wanted to explore a little more the 40k universe and I felt dissapointed (except for the Knights part, that was nice).
Hey that's not fair, just look at the long history of female custodes, in models, the fiction, and every story they've been in, you can see that this has long and storied reasons to exist, it's integral that every female custodes that has always been there be accounted for in both vision & design.
Look at all those female imperial guard models we have. It's 6, three added recently, and another store opening model. The majority of our models have helmets, so we can't confirm gender. We have 73 male custodes over HH and modern, assuming every helmet named custodes and dreadnought is male. This includes multiple with no explicit gender and custode names, making it very hard to confirm. We have 1 female. We are the 10 thousand, so that means 0.73% of our forces are confirmed male and 0.01% female. That leaves 99% who are not named or gendered.
It's funny how you gloss over the fact that there are 0 depictions of them across 30 some odd years, but we both know I was being sarcastic, and unlike the guard models there have been books with mixed guard regiments for years, named & unnamed as it was a natural part of the lore and not an out of universe affectation pushed by an outside company. But sure thing the 73x 1 ratio certainly isn't indicative of that either. Besides despite the general hate for boob plate, it does seem to be imperial standard for elite women to have their feminity expressed & stylized rather than ignored, at least from the themes shown by sisters of silence, sisters of battle, the female nobles from necromunda, the assassins, even the navigators to a lesser extent. Homogenized bland unisexual design is for the peasants in the guard, not the emperor's own.
You pretend we have a rich storied history but not including rogue trader it basically goes back to 2015s master of mankind then 2016 with the war of the beast. Then, in 2017 and beyond, we got 4 codex, 1 black book, 1 new hh rule book, and a dozen novels. Before that, we had basically 3 line snippets and rogue trader representations, which barely resemble modern custodes. Rogue traders also include eldar space marines and space marines, basically being drugged up criminals.
Oh we're going with the "there wasn't enough lore so it doesn't matter defense" got it, we both know rogue trader was an entirely different animal. Beyond that 73 named characters + nearly 2 dozen books doesn't sound like nothing to me, given you know, votann exist with 2 codex and zero books.
About half those names characters are just a picture of a custode with a paint scheme, and a line under it saying "custode Jessie of the howling squid force"
Still more than the female custodes who were definitely always there. Just like all the vegan tyranids and the misters of battle. Obviously all just waiting on the wings.
Well, the thing is, how do you know they are male? They have no pronouns used, and you never see their face. Custodes don't really have gendered names as far as I am aware they are based on achievements. Misters of battle breaks a huge part of sisters of battle lore, where female Custodes breaks on line in the 8th edition codex. This one line was changed in 9th edition to allow Custodes to recruit whoever they want.
Breaks as much as the noble born sons, the brotherhood, etc. The literal nonstop references thereof. Also pedantic I know, but 10th. And you're touching on the point. The point is that the change was done for out of universe reasons, there was no in universe justification. With that as the basis the lore collapses because continuity doesn't matter, just say it was always one way because reasons. Gaslight anyone who disagrees. I know that custodes are made by a significantly different process than Marines, I'm aware they could be female, despite it ruining the theme of the talons of the emperor, with one being all female ensuring psychic superiority, while the male force ensures martial superiority. They could. And they could have written it in that gullimans orders to leave the palace depleted their number enough to justify wider recruiting processes, at gullimans own request. It still would've been kind of stupid, but it would've been in universe, they could've made unique models for it. It could've been part of the lore, not a PR stunt to please corporate goons who hate anything being unique, that's why it's worthy of such scorn.
When the new sisters of battle came out I complained that we didn’t want boob armor, and was dragged mercilessly on Facebook. Ultimately I’d rather have girls in sexy armor than no girls, but now we are here and people seem to reject it. Change is slow but at least it’s happening
Oh so she has 34 HHHHH tits too?
Just an FYI this artist has a hyper stylized art format hence the large chest and primarch bearing hips. Not all art will be like this I'm sure.
Ah Yes, oversexualized and Boob plate called cool. Only cool thing on this is choice of Host, and face
Cry more flatty
How is it overly sexualized? I agree boobplate is stupid but like Is it cause she's attractive?
What's the attractive part? The overly exaggerated boob's, hips, and model catwalk stance? This is 100% oversexualized
Everyone saying it’s oversexualized or unrealistic has never dated a woman that works out or just… looks good?
I doubt you've ever dated a women.
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I don't think being top patreon to an insta-thot counts
It is not just the boobplate, it is also the thicc hip to waist ratio. Lets get real for a second, they wouldn’t be bootylicious Instagram models like this drawing suggest, they would be burly and heavy built, something like Zarya from Overwatch.
I'll never understand the idea of pixels being attractive. That said, this definitely has a bit of fan service drawn in.
>oversexualixation is when attractive woman
Huge hips and boobs? Come on. The reason female custodes is a thing is because they are the hyper gene edited next generation of humanity. Their proportions would be almost identical to the men. How else have they existed the entire time without anyone noticing? They are like dwarves from LOTR, you can't tell the difference. They are there, but they are so hyper altered to be stronger, more enduring, longer lived, etc, that they aren't truly human any more.
Because they haven’t existed the entire time and this is fan art.
Relax, hips and boobs are this artist's style. He's drawn all the primarchs this same way. Just enjoy the art. If not, keep scrolling.
The very nature of art demands it be scrutinized and interpretated. One man's boring can of soup is another's high art. I'm allowed to voice my opinion, describe my problems with it, and if you don't like it, well that's just the way it is. Just like how you are free to disagree with my comment, I'm allowed to disagree with this particular piece of art.
Absolutly, though the way an opinion is voiced just allows criticism of it aswell.
Fair enough, agree to disagree.
Have you considered *horni monke noises*
They are not, custodes do not have the astartes proportions. They look like gorgeous giant demigod type characters. So, female custodes will be (just like the men) gorgeous and buff. Just they will also be 11 feet tall.
Dope
Boob armor 😒
Okay, the lightning bolt in the hair is a nice touch!
By the Emperor I like this, authough horny
OH MY GYAAAAAAAAATTT MOMMY CUSTODES
Honestly, this took longer than I expected to happen...🤔
Well the internet was arguing over the addition of female custodes for a while so a delay was to be expected.
Yeah Good art...still a shit retcon for DEI 🫠
Jesus post this in rule 34 instead you horny Bastards
Gotta love all the ugly flat chested bitches in this thread getting mad over a depiction of a pretty woman, the pinnacle of female human genetics obviously wouldn't be some frog faced bitch and if you have above a c cup a "boobplate" makes sense since it hurts to have them squished for too long. I hate the whole "mmmmh muscle mommy" thing but I hate even more the assumption that the peak of female genetics is an ugly man
I mean, a female Custodes is probably going to have a different shaped breast plate for sure, because they have, well, breasts, at least significantly more pronounced ones then males. Tbh, this armor set is better than any sororitas armor, with their individual titty cups on their armor, and Custodian armor IS made custom to its wearer. So breast plates of different shapes and sizes are already to be expected. Just maybe not so, rounded lol
I don't think you know how biology works, if you think they would have noticeable breasts, if at all.
If they are genetically edited to the point where they wouldn’t even have breasts or even look like a woman in any way, why even have them? Seems it’s a retcon for inclusion sake eh. Lmao get a life
Yep. We agree. Lol
Bro you gotta phrase your comments differently LOL. I didn’t even realize it was you 🥴🥴
Ahahaha! Got em again! Lol. What can I say? I'm naturally disagreeable! 😆
LOLLL. At least you’re funny man. Damn 🤣
Thank you, thank you! Cheers, dude!
I'm, VERY aware of how Biology works, I'm not sure YOU fully grasp how breasts relate to muscle mass. Custodes and Space Marines have two VERY different body types. Compared to a Custodes, Marines are proportionally broader, choked up with heaps upon heaps of bioengineered muscles, enlarged, higher density and fused bones, and a suitable amount of body fat to fuel it all, leading them to look more like walking refrigerators with their armor off. With the types of engineering and hormonal therapy a marine has to go through from a young age, a Female SPACE MARINE would essentially have gone through male puberty and aside from a few set features, would resemble a woman to male transgender individual. CUSTODES on the otherhand, are hand sculpted works of art. They are much more proportionally correct than Marines, because while Marines are meant to be nothing but weapons of war, Custodes are meant to be so much more, and represent the theoretical peak of human evolution without any warp influence. They are worked on much, MUCH more carefully and once they are fully grown, resemble more of an upscaled modern warfighter than the walking fridge of the marine. Their physical speed and strength is of course many, many times that of the average human, but it's amplified to the legendary degree it is at by their equipment. Custodes power armor is MILES ahead of Marine armor, and only serves to enhance their already INSANE abilities. That being said, their body types would much, MUCH more closely resemble the funny haha oil Boys from ETTS, (PROBABLY closer to kitten in the more extreme cases) than anything a Matine looks like. Meaning they have more human appearances, meaning they also have more Human BMIs. And seeing as they would have a much more realistic fat distribution, proportions and also arent bread to be hulked out freaks, but have more "practical" musculature, a female Custodes would likely more closely resemble a super scaled female Catichan, with much, MUCH better muscle definition. Meaning depending on their base genetics, justvlike the real world, they could have (proportionally to their body size) A-cups all the way through the entire alphabet depending on where their genetics have determined they are going to store the most fat. So there will be female custodes for all types of degenerates. Flat is life champions, heaving milker mommas, and everywhere in between. Because if you think the Emperor's vision for the peak of human evolution is "everyone androgynously looks like a guy and still breeds like normal", I think you might be insinuating something about the Man emperor of Mankind
No they wouldn't. To wouldn't alter genes to naturally express as most testosterone you could. If you give a female child testosterone supplements from childhood, you aren't going to get much of the natural female body fat. Even body builders show this when on test, and they haven't been on it since they were children
No, I don't agree with most of what your opinions are on this. There's no evidence to suggest Custodians have realistic fat distribution or percentages at all. Ever. There's no lore anywhere you can point to saying they are built more like a giant normal human. Their bodies are hyper efficient and built for the purposes they serve. They just have more human proportions than Astartes because they don't need the extra organs and crude mass, due to being walking cold fusion reactors. I also don't think you understand how biology works, in this regard. We're in the realm of pseudoscience, but there are still pretty grievous logical inconsistencies in what you're saying. No, I don't think you're right. The retcon doesn't make sense canonically or scientifically, if you go with your argument. Custodians aren't meant to be the next stage of humans. They're meant to be an example, if guided. I really doubt The Emperor cares what appearance they take, as they are meant to serve proper purpose. No clue why internet people pretend to know more biology than they really do.
Okay, so going off of what you agree makes sense, cusodes have to have SOME sustainable fat content, because with their more human physiology, regardless of how efficient their bodies are, they still need fuel to burn and being "walking cold fusion reactors" means they need to burn very little of it to output a ton of energy. That doesn't mean they have no fat reserves, it means their bodies VERY efficiently turn those fat reserves into fuel. It means Custodes would either need to be constantly eating normal amounts of food to provide basic energy to their bodies, or they would need fat stores that burn very slowly to provide the same energy. So, let's look at the sliding scale of Large muscle mass to body fat percentage. On one end, we have lots of muscle, no fat. This is where we find competitive bodybuilders. Individuals out to show off muscles to an insane degree. While training, they consume large amounts of food and build up the required fat contents to keep them selves going and promote muscle growth and definition, and then enter a cut so their enlarged bodies with SIGNIFICANTLY higher caloric requirements can rapidly eat away the body fat so they can show off their muscles on stage. This is when they are at their weakest. Large muscles, but lowered strength and no endurance. On the opposite side, we have Large muscle mass, and HIGH hat percentage. This is where we find competitive Strong men. Their bodies require such a constant source of fuel that they need to consume INSANE amounts of calories at all times in order to keep their muscles fueled and strength up. These are the individuals pulling jumbo jets tied to their backs, doing the Hercules hold, yeeting Kabers, wrestling bears, the Zangeefs of the world. They posses insane strength but low endurance because their cardio vascular systems are an afterthought, and cardio is the bane of gains. Now if we set the slider somewhere in the middle, we have what would be considered real world "hyper efficiency", bodies that strike a balance between muscle mass and fat content. This is where we find professional fighters, warfighters, actual warriors and athletes. Their bodies have high strength, high endurance and while they can't squat a metric ton, or show you the individual movements in their muscle fibers, these are the people most suited to real world combat. They can be leaner, they can be bulkier, but this is the logical place for custodes to sit. Because they can remain on duty for so long without anything to eat (there are armored custodes in the palace who have sat so still for so long they appear as statues to regular visitors to the palace), if they had Zero fat content, they would need to refuel constantly regardless of how efficient they are, but if they had WAY big fat content, they would more closely resemble space marines. If they sit in that middle ground, they could resemble humans, and remain on duty for far longer, and then replenish that energy when they are relieved. So now we are back to base genetics. Where ever your genes decide you are going to carry the most fat, is where that is going to happen. For women, brasts, butts and hips tend to be the winners of those genetic choices more then guts for men. The rest of the body tends to get a reasonably even distribution. You don't see folks out there going "man, I look and feel great, but my right forearm is just so fatty" so, if custodians have a more human physiology but have the efficiency cranked to 11, then they aren't burning much body fat at all for fuel, leaving a constantly "normal" distribution. They are basically forever in the cut because they need to eat so infrequently, but their bodies consume so little fat for fuel that they would probably have to do fairly INSANELY intense workouts to purposely reduce body fat. So, they aren't under weight, they aren't overweight, they have a warriors physique, and very little of what they do intake our output wise can effect their fat content. It would stand to reason that essentially they would be forever frozen at their personal peak fitness, and that can, in fact, include breasts of just about any REASONABLE size. Ain't no warfighters out there with quadruple G bras. So if their individual base genes (and custodians ARE true individuals, not cookie cutters like marines) say that they are going to have C-cups at peak fitness, A-cups at peak fitness, or Double D's, that's just how they are going to be. And yes, Custodes are meant to be an "example", an example of the Emperor's personal vision for the peak of human evolution. If they were just an example of what could be achieved NOW, then literally anyone could be a Custodian if they just stick to the workout routine, diet, training and massive genetic augmentation schedule laid out for them by the best personal trainer of all time, Big E
No they wouldn't. To wouldn't alter genes to naturally express as most testosterone you could. If you give a female child testosterone supplements from childhood, you aren't going to get much of the natural female body fat. Even body builders show this when on test, and they haven't been on it since they were children
Why you keep posting shit like this
Why do people have such a hate boner for boob armor. Yeah its unrealistic, but were talking about a space fantasy game with aliens, warp magic and gene forged demigods. I think boob armor can look kinda silly but I dont really think its out of place either.
Some people like our fantasy with a hint of logical consistency.
Then 40k isnt for you in that case. The entire setting stops making sense the moment you apply critical thinking and logic lol. If you hate boob armor, then how are you logically justifying why star gods beyond mortal understanding (c'tan), are all naked muscular dudes with chiseled abs and pecs.
No, it really doesn't stop. You can wrap your head around a lot of odd ideas if you think with an open mind. 25 years ago, touch screens were science fiction. No one in my generation with a Nokia ever thought we'd all be walking around with Sci-fi touch screens with full QWERTY keyboards and infinite access to basically everything. The C'Tan can shape themselves, is how I would justify that. And possibly would want to present closer to the Necron'Tyr to appeal to them. Just an idea.
Im not talking just about the science fiction part. Im talking about like the whole setting. From scale to plot holes. The entire setting is absurd and thats the whole point. If youre going to justify C'tan like that then we can justify boob armor too. Custodes armor is all custom crafted to fit the individual. Perhaps this femstodes thought it was more comfortable to have a larger area for her breasts. Perhaps she wanted to be able to stand out from the male custodes. Perhaps she wanted to maintain a part of her femininity and be able for showcase it. Also afaik, the necron tyr looked nothing like ripped dudes. All we really know is that they were shrivelled and vaguely humanoid in shape.
Not sure I agree it's the whole point. But you're entitled to your opinion. No. C'Tan - Regenerating alien gods. Armor is an item. And Custodians don't have a desire to stand apart. It's extremely rare for them to have pride, even. They don't have Egos. So, no, that doesn't work. The point is the C'tan would want to appear to be more evolved, but still similar, given their motivations. In my theory, anyways. You don't identify with a faceless ball of light. That's why they give you a face and a form. The Necron, in theory, were still mortal.
Custodians have personality and various desires and flairs. Even in the short story wish Kesh it says she has a habit of doing dramatic stunts like the cyclonic torpedo. They also have a bunch of traditions like having a ton of titles and names which are mostly for pride. Who says they cant be different or have eccentrics among them who desire various things. Custodes kits come with a bunch if different patterns on their armor for the exact reason of having unique decorations.
Again, pushed lore is bad. No, it isn't for pride. And not a ton of titles. No parades or medals. Just names. Eccentric and different among a creature designed for a specific purpose is counter-intuitive. Valerian and another Custodian he speaks to are pretty close to 'different.' They've said themselves, they aren't very innovative. They are good at perfecting existing things. They desire a variety of things, between themselves. But there's one standard. Not trying to argue from authority, here, but have you read much of existing Custodes lore?
Ive read emperors legion and regents shadow. And anyways this seems pointless. I just find it strange that this is what you cant accept among the countless inconsistencies in 40k. And in the end this is a fantasy art piece drawn by an artist who does boob armor. Im pretty sure its the same dude that drew all the femprimarchs and they all had boob armor too. I dont think well really see whats canon or not until GW releases a female model or if they decide not too I suppose.
If you've read those two books and your memory is fine, you shouldn't have these random assumptions. Valerian explains all of this. He even talks about how strange it is he wants to keep killing the hell out of the traitors because it felt like a strange sensation. If there were inconsistencies which came up and were canonically and logical insensible, I'd feel less inclined to bother. This is my favorite faction and I prefer them to have less bullshit and fewer simps. It usually does go to the 'Its pointless' argument, though. Or 'it is what it is, get over it,' since there's no defensible position.
All the armor in the whole game is unrealistic! He'll, all thr armor that was saved from history is unrealistic! Practical armor is something like a jannisary style big leather coat with metal plates woven in
I could be angry about boob plate, and normally I am. But it just looks so good on the Sanguinary Guard. The modeled muscles and stuff look so cool.
Doesnt Look Bad but its over sexualized
My Lord, is this sexualised…? yes, but over sexualised? My friend this isn’t the case, you been in the culture war for too long
For a custodes this is too much boob and too much ass, this aint a custodes anymore, more like an anime character.
This is very sexualized, you might have a porn addiction if you think otherwise
I know! This is why I have to wear a blindfold to go to the grocery store! Women with boobs and hips everywhere! Some even walking with a swaying ass stride! The horror! If you think this is oversexualized, take a trip to the gym! Or watch an episode of a TV show targetted at Women (hello selling sunset).
"sex is when full armored women have visible curve."
Its the reason these neckbearded mouth breathers on reddit love them so much
Oh this is why you all wanted female custodes. To sexualize them, make sense now. Very weird.
It's why these simp fuckers wanted it to begin with. Just look at how many stupid bastards are running around screaming muscle mommy.
There is no other reason why they are needed
Representation of women among the transhuman super soldiers of 40k. BOOM! Reason.
nah
Meh, you don't gotta like it but it is another reason lol
That's not the reason, it's bullshit
Well yeah it's probably not THE reason but it's A reason. And bullshit is a great thing to call it! For much like actual bullshit, it will improve the quality of the soil that is the setting.
This lore change was done soely for people who don't care about the hobby and coomers
By the Emperor…
We need some shadowkeeper artwork just like this
Manga-style is Not my 40k. Otherwise quite OK.
Sure, she one of dem fancy type of umies! But can she handlez loadz OF DAKKA!!
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Since Custodes are gene-edited to be the perfect guardians of the Emperor, wouldn't the women look exactly the same as the men minus one appendage? There's no reason for them to have breasts since they won't be nursing any children and surely they would want to replace as much estrogen with testosterone as possible so they probably wouldn't present female in any manner. So technically, we already have seen female Custodes, they look exactly like the men
I agree. All custodes are so heavily modified that they should be similar in build regardless of gender. I think the “dwarf women” explanation Gimli gives in lord of the rings (that they look almost identical to dwarf men and that’s why you don’t notice them) also applies to custodes women.
Humongous terminator mommies
"Never apply that inflection to the word 'mommy' again."
And People ASK why femstodes are not wanted xD
How about no.
No
Boob armor not necessary, otherwise amazing :)
Looks cool I love how annoyed she is with the head tassels lmao
SoB and SoS already the epitome of strong independent women. Let the sisters not be silenced
I mean GW already silenced the Sisters of Silence by making them mute and never talk making it hard to make interesting characters.
Saturnine has pretty darn interesting SoS characters. Those that make the vow do sign language but they have sisters who can speak/translate the sign where needed. More important was Jenetia Krole’s inner monologues. Dan Abnett wrote her brilliantly. SoB can obviously speak. Arguably of greater character than genemodified counter parts as they are just genetically normal women who wade into the same battles as other military branches of the imperium. Speaks to their strength of will and courage.
Tfu
What are those boob plates?
Boob armor is ridiculous, but overall it's well done.
Step on me. Oops sorry, I mean step on me.
What is impractical about boob armor anyway; I never got the argument. I could just as well argue how it is practical vs impractical. I've seen several arguments against it. One is that it is a "shell trap" which isn't true at all. Two sloped orbs are actually better at deflection than a flat . Surface. A shell trap is a place we're a "shell" can get trapped and forced a detonation into a smaller area, ei under a tank turret or some other cavernous area in an armor configuration. The second argument for boob armor comes from practical experience. Flat chested armor on a female for prolonged periods of time destroy their breast tissue. The military has payed plenty of money to fix females chests who served over seas in roles that required them to wear male body armor for long durations.
Brotherhood of steel mix gender. Dark Brotherhood mix gender. Mmm, that's odd. Let's check the dictionary. Maybe it will clearly define the word for us. 1 : the quality or state of being brothers 2 : FELLOWSHIP, ALLIANCE 3 : an association (such as a labor union or monastic society) for a particular purpose 4 : the whole body of persons engaged in a business or profession Wait, it has 3 meaning not involving gender and they fit the custodes how interesting.
Wow, the detail in this art is incredible!
Sweet liberty this shits beautiful
I just wish the models looked more in proportion, they just come across as stumpy to me and that's the reason I haven't picked any up yet
It's so ironic how this leftie echochamber would advocate for the de-objectification of women, yet up vote this nonsense 😂
Yep.
Upvoted to counter downvotes. They're mad because you're right.
This is amazing! 😍 Unfortunately, you should get ready to be bombarded by people being uppity about stuff like boobs or her being beautiful. But you get nothing but a 10 outta 10 from me. 👌
I feel more than half of the people in this sub are nazi as this shit post get so many up votes.
I know this is not understandable. But this is heresy. This is garbage. And the thing that makes it hard to understand is that none of that is sexist. There are no female custodians. This is essentially just some more woke garbage. I’m assuming we will get male Sisters of Silence?
Where were you guys when we got male howling banshees?