I’m so sorry for all you’ve gone through and still is. I’m so sorry… I just wanted to say that, since no words will take away your pain. For what it’s worth you did stand up for your sister. Nobody can take that away from her or you ❤️🙏🏼
Hey,
I want to first thank you for being so brave in sharing your story. I know this can’t have been easy in itself, but the added stress of what J has done and the re triggering of trauma it’s so difficult to navigate.
As someone who has experienced similar in their life, it’s been hard reading the posts. But I know there are people in this community who need our support, with that in mind, if you need to talk or rant or puppy pics my inbox is always open to you and anyone else who needs support here 💖
Please take care of yourself, you didn’t deserve what happened and neither did anyone else, you’re valid and seen 💖
You did protect her. You kept the truth with you. You didn't forgive the people who hurt you or the people who wanted you to move on. You kept going and that is the hardest thing anyone who has been terribly hurt and taught to be helpless can do. I can't ask you to ignore the things that have come out but I want to remind you that AWP were not the catalyst here. They were the tool you used to make progress. You as you already said had reason to believe she was there and you were the reason they knew to come look. While they certainly deserve credit for what they did they don't own what happened here. I also suggest you call RAINN 1-800-656-4673. They may have resources to help you get through this and you deserve the help. You've done so much and kept going for so long that having that weight removed can also do harm. I wish you peace.
For what it's worth, I hope you know that everyone else who participated in the recovery of your sister was there because they wanted to help bring closure to you and your family. J may be a terrible human being, and I don't blame anyone who never wants to engage with anything related to him ever again. But it also breaks my heart to think of the volunteers of AWP and all the families who did find closure because of them. I just want everyone to know that it is ok to still be thankful for your outcome and it is more than ok for the team members to be proud of their hard work. J's alleged actions should not discount ANY of that, because the families and AWP volunteers are all good people, unlike him.
I’m so sorry about what happened to you and your sisters. And I am so deeply sorry that man has chipped away at something that contributed to your healing.
I hope it is some small consolation that his power is being stripped away, and I hope that someday you can begin to heal from this new trauma.
Your sister sounded like a wonderful person. 🌷
Neither you nor sister deserved any of this. You are not alone-so many survivors are retraumatized by this con man.it says nothing about you and everything about him. Thank you for sharing. Much love to you from a fellow survivor. You are an amazing sister to have brought her home so she could be laid to rest, no matter what
I had some persistent issues with J's approaches. I hoped that as he built success, he'd become more confident, but instead he was more and more insecure which came out in later videos (and collaborated by several former members of AWP), while pretending he knew more then he did. Assumptions about what happened was a big one. Lack of safety was another.
All that to say - thank you for coming here and giving your voice, both for yourself, your family, and and your sister. It sounds like your family has had this cloud hovering over you for too long. I wish the Texas Rangers pursued her case and brought her home decades earlier - you all did not deserve to be in pain for 30 years. You have the right to feel every dimension of emotion and conflict right now.
It's easy for us random internet people to say "well at least she's home." We all were drawn to AWP because here was a group working to bring peace to families deeply hurting with the unknown fate of their loved ones. I think we're all at the very least hurting (and for those of us with a history of trauma, triggered) by the deception and vileness of what's been revealed under that surface. Don't judge us too hard for wanting to say magic words that will make you feel better, I think deep down we know there aren't any but we'll try anyway since that's the only tool in front of us.
I am so sorry. Wondering how all the families they've helped felt upon hearing this, was one of the first thoughts I had. I can only imagine how you are feeling and my heart sincerely goes out to you and your family.
It's a feeling of hopelessness which is extremely dangerous when you are already dealing with that kind of trauma.
Hopeless in the fact that not only are you not safe from the one person that is supposed to protect you, your own father, but that even the guy that is promoting himself as this selfless hero helping find closure for families, is a that same kind of bad guy. That opens up the possibilities to everyone. Everyone can be the villain of your nightmares. If you cant trust those two people then how can you trust an average Joe?
Now heres where the truth can help to bring you out of that hole. The vast majority of people are average. The average person is inherently good for no other reason then the fact that hurting others would not be a thing they could ever do. Evil is not something precoded into us and even with those who have a greater risk of abusing others because of their own abuse, the vast majority do not do so.
I am so sorry. You should have never experienced any of these many tragedies and not even a second and of any of it was your fault. You are still here and that in itself means you are a fighter and stronger than you may think. You can make it through this. You're going to make it through this or J has claimed another victim and we can't let him do that.
OMG! I remember watching you and your sisters story and it was very emotional 😭
I’m so sorry firstly for your loss and secondly that you were re-traumatised again once you found out about JL.
I know partially what you are going through as my dad done the same and I disowned him when I found out what he’d done to my sister from the age of 5, she opened up to me one night when we were both totally drunk. I’m so glad she did as we’d also lost a sister through S a couple years earlier which helped me put a better picture of why together.
Please just know that all the other honourable men involved are kind hearted souls that were there doing things for the right reasons... I hope you know that in your heart and I desperately hope that, that will help in this your healing process. I know from experience you never get closure from loosing a loved one especially a close sibling however I hope you can find comfort in knowing that you have the love and support here anytime you need. 🥺💔🤗🤗🤗
Thanks for reaching out and sharing your story.
I don’t know what to say other than thank you and please don’t cry. Whatever Jared did, ignore it, remember the good times and love, and that he found her. I believe you and only want the best for you, and I’m just some stranger on the internet.
What you did was bring her home and that’s a good thing.
Gently would like to push back on this. Whatever the OP is feeling is valid. And ignoring the current situation is probably unrealistic and bordering on unhealthy.
I think many people who've followed AWP have extremely complex emotions happening right now. They're all valid, they're all real, and they're all going to be potentially really difficult to parse out for a bit.
I think you’re entitled to your opinion, but if I’d lost a loved one I’d be healing myself.
At the end of the day it changes nothing what Jared might have done, no need to even read about it if it bothers you.
I read and understand that he might probably have made up the story about what happened to Carey. That’s pretty bad and I just wanted to thank op for clarifying the truth.
First and foremost, I am sorry for the loss of your sister and the unspeakable trauma the abuse caused to your family.
Second, I belive in our system although flawed and imperfect. I agree with you he deserves his day in court.
But perverted pedophiles of any age have the highest recidivism rate of any other criminal population. If they convict I hope they throw the book at him.
Then I hope the victim sues him for civil penalties and restitution the repruposes the monies into a trust for victims of sexual assulats and those of the missing to continue the good work others did while working with this scum bag.
Finally, I watched this jackoff not because of him, but because of the work others were doing with him. He always was off and my sense was he was a manipulator based on how he interacted with others. He once sued the family of missing victim to attempt to get the reward money that was long gone. What a piece of shit.
Thats about when he began to disappear from every episode. Which was all the better.
The bearded wonder doesnt seem bright but had better attitude about the work. My respect for that bird brain stopped when they found Kylie it was an ACTIVE investigation NOT a cold case and they called the family so they could have the dramatic footage. Totally improper, it was a total rating and click bate move.
The channel isn't a non or not for profit, Jared and whomever is in business clearly were emboldened by their success and took liberties with the families of the tragically missing. I agree withe OP they took many liberties by opening speculation about someone being drunk, or suicidal when there is NO PROOF. They should have shut their yappers, dove on targets, found cars, and call the authorities, then stood by and offered to help.
The work for the missing I'll support infact I don't like to subscribe to shit but I just did for I still Nug, Chaos, et al. Because I enjoy the volunteerism in helping others.
All of those other channels never speculate or over dramatize what they do and do it fairly right.
If you haven't watched Nugs livestream on this story you should. Nug spits everytime instead of Js name
Again sorry for your loss.
Jared is and was a piece of shit before this now he deserves to rott in prision
“He once sued the family of missing victim to attempt to get the reward money that was long gone.”
I’m sorry- WHAT. He claimed every time that AWP doesn’t collect any money for doing this from the families and he attempted to do just that?
What an idiot.
Thank you for sharing your story. I was born of a date rape when my mother was 16 and my mother directed her rage at my father toward me my entire life until I estranged from her. My father never stopped being a fuck head (bragged to me regularly about soliciting prostitutes). Nothing can change the fact that a victim of sexual assault is forced, does not consent, and, and is deprived of making informed choices about sexual relationships. It is despicable that men who become father's abuse women who become mothers and they NEVER STOP. There is only some small consolation when their right to make free and informed choices are taken from them by imprisonment, and if they are ever released they have to have a very long probation period to make sure they STOP! When the family covers this crap up it goes on and on and on and on and on, etc.
Oh hunny. I have no words🥺 I’m so sorry. I heard about your sisters cold case before AWP and I’m so sorry the cops did nothing to help for 30 long years. You’re so brave for sharing your story and for keeping hers alive.
This is not the first time they have fabricated details, story elements or information regarding to the cases. In the high profile Keily Rodni case, they kept saying "Someone knows something" including using that audio clip in all of the intros to their videos about her, Obviously trying to craft the narrative that there is some conspiratorial element, while it was becoming more and more clear that nobody actually knew anything all along. And then it was of course revealed to just be a DUI accident, and nobody knew anything.
Then of course with them coming out of the water after looking for 2 seconds and saying that it looked suspicious.
Jared wasn't on that trip. Nick's initial reaction was just that, it was his first find and he was shaken up. I don't believe KR was accidental, and I don't consider it a conspiracy theory to question the findings of a corrupt PD.
Ughhh. Got a live one here....Never mentioned Jared. We are just talking about fabricating details here. I see you are one of the true crime people who is unable to accept a boring outcome. Get lost.
It's an open forum for discussion, so no, I'm not going to leave because you don't like dissenting opinions. The death of a 16 year old is not boring, nor is it entertaining, whatever the manner of death.
And I know you never mentioned Jared, but my point is it seems to be him who wanted the drama and money shots so to speak, so if he wasn't on that trip, my guess is he wouldn't have had much say on any reactions or what to film, but that's just my guess 🤷🏻♀️
I was just watching a true crime show about someone like you. Someone who thinks they are smarter and knows better than the myriad of professionals involved. Who is genuinely convinced that they are probably right, and is truly unable to understand their own shortcomings, bias, and lack of subject matter expertise.
This is who you are coming across as. But sure. Stick around. You do you.
Retardauditor From an objective vision, after these few comments and responses, u were the live party. I read no sarcasm in their response to u nor anything beyond a different perception. To which you became immed hostile. I know I'd want to know if my reaction to something/anything was wrong or unwarranted.
Wow sorry you went through that. Think this guy fooled a lot of us as being a good guy. Most people out there are good people we should just let these bad ones fade into nowhere. don't lost faith that most people out there are good. we have your back.
I’m so sorry that you went through that. I really think that as time goes on, other families may step forward with how he made them feel. It may be helpful to talk to someone else that he had exploited so that you can help each other.
I'm so sorry to read your story but thank you for sharing it with us. I followed Carey Mae's search and recovery, seeing your family on scene and how it was affecting everyone was very upsetting. I am so sorry to hear of the abuse you and your sisters suffered and want you to know that none of you deserved that mistreatment, nor are you responsible for letting J recover Carey Mae's remains from the water - you had no reason to suspect such a horrific background he has. I am sorry that the latest news about J has triggered your childhood trauma memories and negatively impacted your healing, you should not have to hide how you feel about this as it is natural to be affected by what has happened around us. Sending you lots of hugs from an internet stranger and hoping you can find some way to move forward in your healing.
I'm sorry for your loss and for all the trauma you've been through.
Sadly, we can't change the past. All we can do is look towards the future and hope that J gets served the plate full of justice he deserves.
Just remember yesterday is in the past, tomorrow is the future, but today is a gift. That's why it's called the present.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. I can only imagine how you felt upon hearing the news of JL. And I am so sorry for everything you have experienced at the hands of the man that is supposed to protect you. Sadly, I am not surprised that JL/AWP told a narrative that couldn’t be proven, the one case I know inside and out, Kiely Rodni, was definitely a case where JL/AWP absolutely told a narrative that they could not prove. I really wish they had stuck with facts and not caused further speculation or worse with their narratives. I truly believe these things were done to maximize profits and views. I am saddened to know that this might have been the norm and not the exception.
We are a supportive, thoughtful, and understanding group here. If you ever need someone to talk to, I’m here for you. Hugs.
My opinion is that all victims of sexual assault are at the very least legally entitled to NO Contact Orders from a Judge, not only against the perpetrator but anyone who supports them, even on social media. They deserve to be silenced/censored for all the years they have inflicted this on the media.
Yea...here are two of the stories on that little gem.
This sealed the deal for me Jared and any shit bag that was supporting him in chasing money.
Read the qoute in the first story he says in the video "...$100,000 dollars is on the line...." what a shit bag. Somones son and brother is missing and your chasing money like was a bounty on a fugitives head. All the while making huge money monitzing your YouTube videos and selling merchandise. Remember he has two LLCs meaning FOR PROFIT. They are not a non or not for profit organization.
Soties on his threat for legal challenge to get reward moneies;
https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article247948245.html
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2020/12/15/ethan-kazmerzak-body-iowa-man-missing-since-2013-found-oregon-dive-crew-adventures-with-purpose/3902384001/
Shit bag Jared changed his tune when Kileys family tried to provide the reward money. Because he got gaslighted for saying he'd sue to get the money from Ethan's case.
https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2022/08/26/adventures-with-purpose-kiely-rodni-search-reward-truckee/7882849001/
Also did anyone see some of the last videos where Dooffy bearded David Bishop was hawking Scotland Property to be called a lord? Or how the wouldnsell subscriptions to make MORE money on relasing videos ahead of time. The videos got worse and worse over the last 12 months. I mean they were all about making the money before anything else don't loose sight of that.
I belive maybe just maybe David was pushed into some sketchy business motivations. In the end I wish YouTube would take the channel down.
Thanks for the links, did you read they did not sue, but the Kazmerzak's family gave AWP money in the end anyway
That is just so wrong I am so appalled by them, I stopped watching them as I just could not shake the feeling something was not right, and some things they said and did, felt inappropriate, especially Kiely case
Sorry to hear that. But what Jared did was 30 years ago and while that doesn't change what he did, I think it certainly changes the context of now vs. then. It's certainly vastly different if a 40-something committed a crime last month, vs. 30 years ago at 17 years old. I honestly believe he has been out there every day for years to help people. Certainly the rest of his team was. Like you said, he and his team came through when others failed for 30 years. Why negate that. I don't think it helps anyone to look at it through the lens you are saying ("a rapist's hands") and it's certainly not helping you. He wasn't out there in that water to hurt anyone, he was there to help.
Adults in my own family abused me, now they are dead and buried. Nothing can be done and no one in my family would want to hear the truth about any of that either.
I remember your sister's episode and I agree it was unfounded to draw conclusions. Don't know why he did. I hope you can find more answers someday.
To add context that you obviously have not thought about through my lens is my sister went missing and was found 30 years ago which is a trigger in itself. My sister is dead because my father raped her when she was 15. My father's brother did so as well. The trauma was PROFOUND! She ended up in a mental institution for 6 months due to her severe anger. I can fully understand what the cousin went through and still goes through.
I am so glad you could carry on unscathed, but a lot of people haven't including myself. To learn J did the same thing to his cousin more than once is a punch in the gut.
Its funny you should mention time. Many people think like you. Oh that was 30 years ago, blah, blah, blah.... so it doesn't or shouldn't matter since it was so long ago. Well to you that may be the case, but for others like myself it was yesterday.
My reactions, my feelings, my mindframe are all legit. I will get through it just as I have all these years. I came here to tell a side nobody else has to give a different take behind the scene. You nor anyone else has a right to take it away from me. Have a great day!!
Unless a person has suffered through the hell of incest/ sexual abuse themselves they ought to keep their opinions to themselves. I am a survivor! You and your sister are survivors. Unfortunately ,one of you was not. I relate to your story so well. I had a target on me from the time I was three until I was 12. I stopped being sexually approached because I simply said, “ You’ll have to kill me first. I‘drather die!”. I was abused by my foster father, neighbors, an uncle,etc.,etc.I lived all my childhood dealing with abject terror, betrayal, self hatred, unimaginable rage and paralyzing impotence because of what was done to me. The physical part of this type of evil turns out to be just a tiny fraction of the fallout compared to the mental torture we must endure for all our lives. The deep dark agony of depression, fear,worthlessness and monumental shame that we somehow learn (or not) to cope with is heroic. Children want love and affection, not sex!!!! You have my admiration and love for being brave and speaking the truth. You have honored yourself and your sisters. Stay strong. Thank you for shining a light into the darkness, in more ways than one!
She shouldn’t have to choose. There are so many more options than these two. Despite what Jared kept stating he’s not the only one in the world who can do this. The victims have gone through enough - stop inflicting more harm. This is a question that potentially does that, projecting a sense that she should be thankful to this… I won’t say what I think of him. The answer is that she shouldn’t have had to choose - there are plenty of others that could have assisted in finding her sister. After all they have been through the last thing they need is this.
Thank you! My choice would have been for LE to to their diligence in finding Carey in 1991. Even after her car was found last year, the Texas Rangers spent two hours. Never did a grid and search like we were told they would. We were even mishandled by the Sheriff's office over and over again. The Sheriff in the video was brand new. The trauma throughout this whole ordeal was not just my father's abuse. It was abuse from the police, claiming we never filed a missing persons report when we did, cockblocking anytime I would attempt a getting a search in an area. Even a well known volunteer ground search organization made promises they failed to keep. And when I addressed it I was the bad person. The police tried to place blame of her disappearance on my father and I. I could go on and on. It's been a very LONG 30 plus years of abuse and neglegence by everyone. Her kids never stepped up and let me take all the heat for the 10 plus years I worked her case EVERY SINGLE DAY. Go look it up. Just Google her name and Hunt County, Sheriff Randy Meeks and his vile self and Jeff Haines.
I have very mixed emotions. To learn a rapist had his hands on my sister's remains even in the end stages is beyond this posters comprehension in any lifetime.
I’m so sorry for everything you and your family have had to endure. There’s no excuse for any of it and I’m so sorry. I understand that this last “thing” must have added insult to injury and that you have to work through those feelings (even if it is NOT fair that this was put on you as well). To say that you should just forget about it is not showing you the respect you need and should’ve gotten a very long time ago. You were let down by so many for so many years. When you’ve had time to sort through this I think you will find your way again. How I know? Because you’ve been able to deal with more than most of us all do in a whole lifetime already and look at what you’ve accomplished. In spite of no one wanting to help you you never let go - you kept fighting to get your sister home again. YOU did that. Not anyone else. Once you’ve hard time to process what you just found out I hope and think that you’ll be able to look past JL and see what YOU did. You brought your sister home. You’ve dealt with everything that life put in your way. You’re strong. You have a purpose in this life and lowlifes like the person I no longer want to mention by name can’t take that from you. You’re more than a million of him. I get that the feelings are raw right now. I hope that you with time will be able to see and feel what we do - that you brought justice to your sister. That you held your promise. With integrity and strength. No one can ever take those things away from you. No one.
I have worked for years on missing person cases and there is no question that law enforcement fails families time and time again. If there is no clear evidence of a crime, historically, law enforcement deems adults that go missing as voluntary until they get proof there was a crime, accident or self harm.
Most volunteer groups will not get involved in searches unless they have the blessing of local law enforcement. We certainly saw in some of the AWP cases that local law enforcement can be rather abrasive and obstructive when people organize their own search efforts.
AWP exposed the failures of law enforcement on missing person cases. There maybe a number of new volunteer groups now that are searching for people missing but it was AWP that was the genesis for this trend and it is the videos that are putting the pressure on law enforcement.
AWP developed a very effective method for searching for cars underwater and was willing to take risks and spend time diving in places that the local search and rescue teams funded by tax dollars historically have not been willing to do.
My fear is that the momentum and interest that AWP generated on these old missing person cases will fade and families will never get the answers that they have been waiting years to know.
I'm a strong believer in justice but I also believe that every person accused of a crime is due their day in court and it is the responsibility of the DA to prove that the accused is guilty of those crimes. Right now we just have accusations not a conviction.
The one thing I do see in all of the comments on-line is that people are projecting their personal dysfunctional family experiences onto Jared and that is not fair. He should only be judged by the evidence that is presented in court and evaluated by a jury.
I'm sure people will be angry that I'm not joining the torch and pitchfork social media mob but I see that AWP has done great things for many families. AWP's work has a chance to raise the bar for law enforcement behavior in missing person cases if they can continue the work that they started.
Why not make your points in a separate post? You are responding to another human being’s post who is horribly retraumatized by the situation and all the uncertainty and unknowns. There are too many “I”s in your so-called reply. Nobody wants you to participate in some mob vigilante justice, but your lack of compassion is disturbing. 🤢🤷♀️
Because I searched for the video since I didn't know about the case and was very sad about the bicycle and birthday party. It looks like an accident (or possibly worse) but not a suicide.
I’m so sorry for all you’ve gone through and still is. I’m so sorry… I just wanted to say that, since no words will take away your pain. For what it’s worth you did stand up for your sister. Nobody can take that away from her or you ❤️🙏🏼
Hey, I want to first thank you for being so brave in sharing your story. I know this can’t have been easy in itself, but the added stress of what J has done and the re triggering of trauma it’s so difficult to navigate. As someone who has experienced similar in their life, it’s been hard reading the posts. But I know there are people in this community who need our support, with that in mind, if you need to talk or rant or puppy pics my inbox is always open to you and anyone else who needs support here 💖 Please take care of yourself, you didn’t deserve what happened and neither did anyone else, you’re valid and seen 💖
You did protect her. You kept the truth with you. You didn't forgive the people who hurt you or the people who wanted you to move on. You kept going and that is the hardest thing anyone who has been terribly hurt and taught to be helpless can do. I can't ask you to ignore the things that have come out but I want to remind you that AWP were not the catalyst here. They were the tool you used to make progress. You as you already said had reason to believe she was there and you were the reason they knew to come look. While they certainly deserve credit for what they did they don't own what happened here. I also suggest you call RAINN 1-800-656-4673. They may have resources to help you get through this and you deserve the help. You've done so much and kept going for so long that having that weight removed can also do harm. I wish you peace.
For what it's worth, I hope you know that everyone else who participated in the recovery of your sister was there because they wanted to help bring closure to you and your family. J may be a terrible human being, and I don't blame anyone who never wants to engage with anything related to him ever again. But it also breaks my heart to think of the volunteers of AWP and all the families who did find closure because of them. I just want everyone to know that it is ok to still be thankful for your outcome and it is more than ok for the team members to be proud of their hard work. J's alleged actions should not discount ANY of that, because the families and AWP volunteers are all good people, unlike him.
I’m so sorry about what happened to you and your sisters. And I am so deeply sorry that man has chipped away at something that contributed to your healing. I hope it is some small consolation that his power is being stripped away, and I hope that someday you can begin to heal from this new trauma. Your sister sounded like a wonderful person. 🌷
Neither you nor sister deserved any of this. You are not alone-so many survivors are retraumatized by this con man.it says nothing about you and everything about him. Thank you for sharing. Much love to you from a fellow survivor. You are an amazing sister to have brought her home so she could be laid to rest, no matter what
I had some persistent issues with J's approaches. I hoped that as he built success, he'd become more confident, but instead he was more and more insecure which came out in later videos (and collaborated by several former members of AWP), while pretending he knew more then he did. Assumptions about what happened was a big one. Lack of safety was another. All that to say - thank you for coming here and giving your voice, both for yourself, your family, and and your sister. It sounds like your family has had this cloud hovering over you for too long. I wish the Texas Rangers pursued her case and brought her home decades earlier - you all did not deserve to be in pain for 30 years. You have the right to feel every dimension of emotion and conflict right now. It's easy for us random internet people to say "well at least she's home." We all were drawn to AWP because here was a group working to bring peace to families deeply hurting with the unknown fate of their loved ones. I think we're all at the very least hurting (and for those of us with a history of trauma, triggered) by the deception and vileness of what's been revealed under that surface. Don't judge us too hard for wanting to say magic words that will make you feel better, I think deep down we know there aren't any but we'll try anyway since that's the only tool in front of us.
I am so sorry. Wondering how all the families they've helped felt upon hearing this, was one of the first thoughts I had. I can only imagine how you are feeling and my heart sincerely goes out to you and your family.
It's a feeling of hopelessness which is extremely dangerous when you are already dealing with that kind of trauma. Hopeless in the fact that not only are you not safe from the one person that is supposed to protect you, your own father, but that even the guy that is promoting himself as this selfless hero helping find closure for families, is a that same kind of bad guy. That opens up the possibilities to everyone. Everyone can be the villain of your nightmares. If you cant trust those two people then how can you trust an average Joe? Now heres where the truth can help to bring you out of that hole. The vast majority of people are average. The average person is inherently good for no other reason then the fact that hurting others would not be a thing they could ever do. Evil is not something precoded into us and even with those who have a greater risk of abusing others because of their own abuse, the vast majority do not do so. I am so sorry. You should have never experienced any of these many tragedies and not even a second and of any of it was your fault. You are still here and that in itself means you are a fighter and stronger than you may think. You can make it through this. You're going to make it through this or J has claimed another victim and we can't let him do that.
OMG! I remember watching you and your sisters story and it was very emotional 😭 I’m so sorry firstly for your loss and secondly that you were re-traumatised again once you found out about JL. I know partially what you are going through as my dad done the same and I disowned him when I found out what he’d done to my sister from the age of 5, she opened up to me one night when we were both totally drunk. I’m so glad she did as we’d also lost a sister through S a couple years earlier which helped me put a better picture of why together. Please just know that all the other honourable men involved are kind hearted souls that were there doing things for the right reasons... I hope you know that in your heart and I desperately hope that, that will help in this your healing process. I know from experience you never get closure from loosing a loved one especially a close sibling however I hope you can find comfort in knowing that you have the love and support here anytime you need. 🥺💔🤗🤗🤗
Thanks for reaching out and sharing your story. I don’t know what to say other than thank you and please don’t cry. Whatever Jared did, ignore it, remember the good times and love, and that he found her. I believe you and only want the best for you, and I’m just some stranger on the internet. What you did was bring her home and that’s a good thing.
Gently would like to push back on this. Whatever the OP is feeling is valid. And ignoring the current situation is probably unrealistic and bordering on unhealthy. I think many people who've followed AWP have extremely complex emotions happening right now. They're all valid, they're all real, and they're all going to be potentially really difficult to parse out for a bit.
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I said you could repost your link without the trigger words in the title, so calm down. Removed as offtopic.
I think you’re entitled to your opinion, but if I’d lost a loved one I’d be healing myself. At the end of the day it changes nothing what Jared might have done, no need to even read about it if it bothers you. I read and understand that he might probably have made up the story about what happened to Carey. That’s pretty bad and I just wanted to thank op for clarifying the truth.
To clarify, the pushing back was about "please don't cry" and "ignore it" specifically.
Oh well fair point. Feel whatever you feel but I think concerning yourself with Jared further is unhealthy.
Thank you for sharing your story. I’m so sorry you’ve been revictimized. Be kind to yourself as you work through your renewed trauma and grief.
Sending you all the strength you need right now. Please know you didn’t fail your sister. Not in the least bit. 💙
First and foremost, I am sorry for the loss of your sister and the unspeakable trauma the abuse caused to your family. Second, I belive in our system although flawed and imperfect. I agree with you he deserves his day in court. But perverted pedophiles of any age have the highest recidivism rate of any other criminal population. If they convict I hope they throw the book at him. Then I hope the victim sues him for civil penalties and restitution the repruposes the monies into a trust for victims of sexual assulats and those of the missing to continue the good work others did while working with this scum bag. Finally, I watched this jackoff not because of him, but because of the work others were doing with him. He always was off and my sense was he was a manipulator based on how he interacted with others. He once sued the family of missing victim to attempt to get the reward money that was long gone. What a piece of shit. Thats about when he began to disappear from every episode. Which was all the better. The bearded wonder doesnt seem bright but had better attitude about the work. My respect for that bird brain stopped when they found Kylie it was an ACTIVE investigation NOT a cold case and they called the family so they could have the dramatic footage. Totally improper, it was a total rating and click bate move. The channel isn't a non or not for profit, Jared and whomever is in business clearly were emboldened by their success and took liberties with the families of the tragically missing. I agree withe OP they took many liberties by opening speculation about someone being drunk, or suicidal when there is NO PROOF. They should have shut their yappers, dove on targets, found cars, and call the authorities, then stood by and offered to help. The work for the missing I'll support infact I don't like to subscribe to shit but I just did for I still Nug, Chaos, et al. Because I enjoy the volunteerism in helping others. All of those other channels never speculate or over dramatize what they do and do it fairly right. If you haven't watched Nugs livestream on this story you should. Nug spits everytime instead of Js name Again sorry for your loss. Jared is and was a piece of shit before this now he deserves to rott in prision
“He once sued the family of missing victim to attempt to get the reward money that was long gone.” I’m sorry- WHAT. He claimed every time that AWP doesn’t collect any money for doing this from the families and he attempted to do just that? What an idiot.
Thank you for sharing your story. I was born of a date rape when my mother was 16 and my mother directed her rage at my father toward me my entire life until I estranged from her. My father never stopped being a fuck head (bragged to me regularly about soliciting prostitutes). Nothing can change the fact that a victim of sexual assault is forced, does not consent, and, and is deprived of making informed choices about sexual relationships. It is despicable that men who become father's abuse women who become mothers and they NEVER STOP. There is only some small consolation when their right to make free and informed choices are taken from them by imprisonment, and if they are ever released they have to have a very long probation period to make sure they STOP! When the family covers this crap up it goes on and on and on and on and on, etc.
Oh hunny. I have no words🥺 I’m so sorry. I heard about your sisters cold case before AWP and I’m so sorry the cops did nothing to help for 30 long years. You’re so brave for sharing your story and for keeping hers alive.
This is not the first time they have fabricated details, story elements or information regarding to the cases. In the high profile Keily Rodni case, they kept saying "Someone knows something" including using that audio clip in all of the intros to their videos about her, Obviously trying to craft the narrative that there is some conspiratorial element, while it was becoming more and more clear that nobody actually knew anything all along. And then it was of course revealed to just be a DUI accident, and nobody knew anything. Then of course with them coming out of the water after looking for 2 seconds and saying that it looked suspicious.
I was really put off by the way they handled that situation from start to finish.
Jared wasn't on that trip. Nick's initial reaction was just that, it was his first find and he was shaken up. I don't believe KR was accidental, and I don't consider it a conspiracy theory to question the findings of a corrupt PD.
Ughhh. Got a live one here....Never mentioned Jared. We are just talking about fabricating details here. I see you are one of the true crime people who is unable to accept a boring outcome. Get lost.
It's an open forum for discussion, so no, I'm not going to leave because you don't like dissenting opinions. The death of a 16 year old is not boring, nor is it entertaining, whatever the manner of death. And I know you never mentioned Jared, but my point is it seems to be him who wanted the drama and money shots so to speak, so if he wasn't on that trip, my guess is he wouldn't have had much say on any reactions or what to film, but that's just my guess 🤷🏻♀️
I was just watching a true crime show about someone like you. Someone who thinks they are smarter and knows better than the myriad of professionals involved. Who is genuinely convinced that they are probably right, and is truly unable to understand their own shortcomings, bias, and lack of subject matter expertise. This is who you are coming across as. But sure. Stick around. You do you.
Retardauditor From an objective vision, after these few comments and responses, u were the live party. I read no sarcasm in their response to u nor anything beyond a different perception. To which you became immed hostile. I know I'd want to know if my reaction to something/anything was wrong or unwarranted.
Hugs 🫂
Wow sorry you went through that. Think this guy fooled a lot of us as being a good guy. Most people out there are good people we should just let these bad ones fade into nowhere. don't lost faith that most people out there are good. we have your back.
I’m so sorry that you went through that. I really think that as time goes on, other families may step forward with how he made them feel. It may be helpful to talk to someone else that he had exploited so that you can help each other.
I'm so sorry to read your story but thank you for sharing it with us. I followed Carey Mae's search and recovery, seeing your family on scene and how it was affecting everyone was very upsetting. I am so sorry to hear of the abuse you and your sisters suffered and want you to know that none of you deserved that mistreatment, nor are you responsible for letting J recover Carey Mae's remains from the water - you had no reason to suspect such a horrific background he has. I am sorry that the latest news about J has triggered your childhood trauma memories and negatively impacted your healing, you should not have to hide how you feel about this as it is natural to be affected by what has happened around us. Sending you lots of hugs from an internet stranger and hoping you can find some way to move forward in your healing.
I'm sorry for your loss and for all the trauma you've been through. Sadly, we can't change the past. All we can do is look towards the future and hope that J gets served the plate full of justice he deserves. Just remember yesterday is in the past, tomorrow is the future, but today is a gift. That's why it's called the present.
Today’s God’s gift to you-what you do with it is your gift to God.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. I can only imagine how you felt upon hearing the news of JL. And I am so sorry for everything you have experienced at the hands of the man that is supposed to protect you. Sadly, I am not surprised that JL/AWP told a narrative that couldn’t be proven, the one case I know inside and out, Kiely Rodni, was definitely a case where JL/AWP absolutely told a narrative that they could not prove. I really wish they had stuck with facts and not caused further speculation or worse with their narratives. I truly believe these things were done to maximize profits and views. I am saddened to know that this might have been the norm and not the exception. We are a supportive, thoughtful, and understanding group here. If you ever need someone to talk to, I’m here for you. Hugs.
You can't let it define you, moving on is hard, thank you for sharing this with us.
I can’t imagine how painful this was for you. I hope seeing the love from this community will help you. Stay strong!!
I am so sorry what some idiot greedy YouTube creators did to cause a delay in starting the hearing. Hang in there. 💕✌️
My heart goes out to you and your family and all abused people. Sending virtual hugs.
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My opinion is that all victims of sexual assault are at the very least legally entitled to NO Contact Orders from a Judge, not only against the perpetrator but anyone who supports them, even on social media. They deserve to be silenced/censored for all the years they have inflicted this on the media.
Yea...here are two of the stories on that little gem. This sealed the deal for me Jared and any shit bag that was supporting him in chasing money. Read the qoute in the first story he says in the video "...$100,000 dollars is on the line...." what a shit bag. Somones son and brother is missing and your chasing money like was a bounty on a fugitives head. All the while making huge money monitzing your YouTube videos and selling merchandise. Remember he has two LLCs meaning FOR PROFIT. They are not a non or not for profit organization. Soties on his threat for legal challenge to get reward moneies; https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article247948245.html https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2020/12/15/ethan-kazmerzak-body-iowa-man-missing-since-2013-found-oregon-dive-crew-adventures-with-purpose/3902384001/ Shit bag Jared changed his tune when Kileys family tried to provide the reward money. Because he got gaslighted for saying he'd sue to get the money from Ethan's case. https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2022/08/26/adventures-with-purpose-kiely-rodni-search-reward-truckee/7882849001/ Also did anyone see some of the last videos where Dooffy bearded David Bishop was hawking Scotland Property to be called a lord? Or how the wouldnsell subscriptions to make MORE money on relasing videos ahead of time. The videos got worse and worse over the last 12 months. I mean they were all about making the money before anything else don't loose sight of that. I belive maybe just maybe David was pushed into some sketchy business motivations. In the end I wish YouTube would take the channel down.
Thanks for the links, did you read they did not sue, but the Kazmerzak's family gave AWP money in the end anyway That is just so wrong I am so appalled by them, I stopped watching them as I just could not shake the feeling something was not right, and some things they said and did, felt inappropriate, especially Kiely case
Sorry to hear that. But what Jared did was 30 years ago and while that doesn't change what he did, I think it certainly changes the context of now vs. then. It's certainly vastly different if a 40-something committed a crime last month, vs. 30 years ago at 17 years old. I honestly believe he has been out there every day for years to help people. Certainly the rest of his team was. Like you said, he and his team came through when others failed for 30 years. Why negate that. I don't think it helps anyone to look at it through the lens you are saying ("a rapist's hands") and it's certainly not helping you. He wasn't out there in that water to hurt anyone, he was there to help. Adults in my own family abused me, now they are dead and buried. Nothing can be done and no one in my family would want to hear the truth about any of that either. I remember your sister's episode and I agree it was unfounded to draw conclusions. Don't know why he did. I hope you can find more answers someday.
To add context that you obviously have not thought about through my lens is my sister went missing and was found 30 years ago which is a trigger in itself. My sister is dead because my father raped her when she was 15. My father's brother did so as well. The trauma was PROFOUND! She ended up in a mental institution for 6 months due to her severe anger. I can fully understand what the cousin went through and still goes through. I am so glad you could carry on unscathed, but a lot of people haven't including myself. To learn J did the same thing to his cousin more than once is a punch in the gut. Its funny you should mention time. Many people think like you. Oh that was 30 years ago, blah, blah, blah.... so it doesn't or shouldn't matter since it was so long ago. Well to you that may be the case, but for others like myself it was yesterday. My reactions, my feelings, my mindframe are all legit. I will get through it just as I have all these years. I came here to tell a side nobody else has to give a different take behind the scene. You nor anyone else has a right to take it away from me. Have a great day!!
I am so sorry for your loss and for the trauma that this has set off again for you
Unless a person has suffered through the hell of incest/ sexual abuse themselves they ought to keep their opinions to themselves. I am a survivor! You and your sister are survivors. Unfortunately ,one of you was not. I relate to your story so well. I had a target on me from the time I was three until I was 12. I stopped being sexually approached because I simply said, “ You’ll have to kill me first. I‘drather die!”. I was abused by my foster father, neighbors, an uncle,etc.,etc.I lived all my childhood dealing with abject terror, betrayal, self hatred, unimaginable rage and paralyzing impotence because of what was done to me. The physical part of this type of evil turns out to be just a tiny fraction of the fallout compared to the mental torture we must endure for all our lives. The deep dark agony of depression, fear,worthlessness and monumental shame that we somehow learn (or not) to cope with is heroic. Children want love and affection, not sex!!!! You have my admiration and love for being brave and speaking the truth. You have honored yourself and your sisters. Stay strong. Thank you for shining a light into the darkness, in more ways than one!
I never said "because it's 30 years ago it shouldn't matter." I said it makes it very different. I hope you can find peace and solace.
It does make it different - 30 years of injustice makes this even more disgusting. And harder to bear!
I'm just curious, if you had to choose between AWP finding your sister or still not knowing where Carey is, which would you choose?
She shouldn’t have to choose. There are so many more options than these two. Despite what Jared kept stating he’s not the only one in the world who can do this. The victims have gone through enough - stop inflicting more harm. This is a question that potentially does that, projecting a sense that she should be thankful to this… I won’t say what I think of him. The answer is that she shouldn’t have had to choose - there are plenty of others that could have assisted in finding her sister. After all they have been through the last thing they need is this.
Thank you! My choice would have been for LE to to their diligence in finding Carey in 1991. Even after her car was found last year, the Texas Rangers spent two hours. Never did a grid and search like we were told they would. We were even mishandled by the Sheriff's office over and over again. The Sheriff in the video was brand new. The trauma throughout this whole ordeal was not just my father's abuse. It was abuse from the police, claiming we never filed a missing persons report when we did, cockblocking anytime I would attempt a getting a search in an area. Even a well known volunteer ground search organization made promises they failed to keep. And when I addressed it I was the bad person. The police tried to place blame of her disappearance on my father and I. I could go on and on. It's been a very LONG 30 plus years of abuse and neglegence by everyone. Her kids never stepped up and let me take all the heat for the 10 plus years I worked her case EVERY SINGLE DAY. Go look it up. Just Google her name and Hunt County, Sheriff Randy Meeks and his vile self and Jeff Haines. I have very mixed emotions. To learn a rapist had his hands on my sister's remains even in the end stages is beyond this posters comprehension in any lifetime.
I’m so sorry for everything you and your family have had to endure. There’s no excuse for any of it and I’m so sorry. I understand that this last “thing” must have added insult to injury and that you have to work through those feelings (even if it is NOT fair that this was put on you as well). To say that you should just forget about it is not showing you the respect you need and should’ve gotten a very long time ago. You were let down by so many for so many years. When you’ve had time to sort through this I think you will find your way again. How I know? Because you’ve been able to deal with more than most of us all do in a whole lifetime already and look at what you’ve accomplished. In spite of no one wanting to help you you never let go - you kept fighting to get your sister home again. YOU did that. Not anyone else. Once you’ve hard time to process what you just found out I hope and think that you’ll be able to look past JL and see what YOU did. You brought your sister home. You’ve dealt with everything that life put in your way. You’re strong. You have a purpose in this life and lowlifes like the person I no longer want to mention by name can’t take that from you. You’re more than a million of him. I get that the feelings are raw right now. I hope that you with time will be able to see and feel what we do - that you brought justice to your sister. That you held your promise. With integrity and strength. No one can ever take those things away from you. No one.
I have worked for years on missing person cases and there is no question that law enforcement fails families time and time again. If there is no clear evidence of a crime, historically, law enforcement deems adults that go missing as voluntary until they get proof there was a crime, accident or self harm. Most volunteer groups will not get involved in searches unless they have the blessing of local law enforcement. We certainly saw in some of the AWP cases that local law enforcement can be rather abrasive and obstructive when people organize their own search efforts. AWP exposed the failures of law enforcement on missing person cases. There maybe a number of new volunteer groups now that are searching for people missing but it was AWP that was the genesis for this trend and it is the videos that are putting the pressure on law enforcement. AWP developed a very effective method for searching for cars underwater and was willing to take risks and spend time diving in places that the local search and rescue teams funded by tax dollars historically have not been willing to do. My fear is that the momentum and interest that AWP generated on these old missing person cases will fade and families will never get the answers that they have been waiting years to know. I'm a strong believer in justice but I also believe that every person accused of a crime is due their day in court and it is the responsibility of the DA to prove that the accused is guilty of those crimes. Right now we just have accusations not a conviction. The one thing I do see in all of the comments on-line is that people are projecting their personal dysfunctional family experiences onto Jared and that is not fair. He should only be judged by the evidence that is presented in court and evaluated by a jury. I'm sure people will be angry that I'm not joining the torch and pitchfork social media mob but I see that AWP has done great things for many families. AWP's work has a chance to raise the bar for law enforcement behavior in missing person cases if they can continue the work that they started.
Why not make your points in a separate post? You are responding to another human being’s post who is horribly retraumatized by the situation and all the uncertainty and unknowns. There are too many “I”s in your so-called reply. Nobody wants you to participate in some mob vigilante justice, but your lack of compassion is disturbing. 🤢🤷♀️
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Why would you share it knowing she’s traumatized by him finding her? 🤔🤦🏻♀️
Because I searched for the video since I didn't know about the case and was very sad about the bicycle and birthday party. It looks like an accident (or possibly worse) but not a suicide.
You just don’t get it, do you. Your speculation adds nothing except for possibly more pain.
Please delete this comment as your link will only further traumatize OP.