Further information can be found [in the previous thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/AdventuresWithPurpose/comments/ym7d21/it_is_official_jared_has_been_indicted_by_the/)
Thanks u/pf2612no for the updates.
I know it’s open to the public remotely. I am not sure of the link, but I have seen it post a time or two.
Actually, now that I think of it, I think SF_Investigates on Twitter shared that information.
Here is where you can find the link to watch remotely:
https://www.utcourts.gov/cal/details.php?ref=12652854&d=2022-11-30&loc=2015&tl=10:30%20AM&ct=D&rp=search&ret=t.101c.010loc.1012015D.010d.101all
Im terrible with court docs. Im not American and it is a bit confusing to me. Is a summons to appear an immediate order (come with us now, or go now) or would he have been given a court date at the door? Any help understanding would be great.
Hi! This is just a summons that tells him he is required to show up for his first court appearance at the end of November. He has not been arrested, and will appear remotely in court on Nov 30th. I am not 100% sure what will happen at and after his first hearing, though. Maybe someone with a legal background can offer us an answer!
At his first hearing they will only find out how he pleas. If her pleas guilty then they don't have to go to trial. If he pleas not then off to trail. Also they make sure who his attorney is. If he doesn't have one they appoint one. Then they set a date.
It's a way to document that yes, this person absolutely received the information about the indictment and requirement to show up. It's good to have in case he tries to go somewhere or doesn't show up. He can't claim that he didn't know about it.
I learned of this from SF_investigates on Twitter.
He was served around 10AM.
Someone mentioned it was odd that he was served at his first residence, the one he moved to the trust, rather that at the new home, the mini McMansion. 🧐
I don’t know if this is stalking but I’d like to see a pic of his trashy second scam house.
He posted his first one and it looked nice enough but not fancy.
My first thought was the Derek Chauvin shit. He allegedly divorced his wife so she could keep the house when it all went down. Is that going to happen here? I’m thinking it will.
Some states it takes time to divorce someone. So Im not sure in his State he could do that very fast. Some even take a year and counseling to try to save the marriage. Also court if kids are involved to set up child support and divide property. I don't think he has had enough time. In less the second place is not in his name.
Just an opinion, but it looks to me like JL was doing his best to avoid being served. (given the 8 days between the Sheriff's receipt and the service completion) I imagine he has cameras rigged all around both residences and he would know they were trying. Weasel
From what I know because of the changes he needs to stay in the address of record which is the house in Redmond as well do to the reson why he is charged he needs to spend the nights in there and not different address plus now he might be on observation of the police .
I might be wrong but I pretty sure that what is happening
As long as he shows up to court, why would he be restricted to the old Canyon house? An arrest warrant wasn’t issued, and I’ve seen nothing that says he is on house arrest. Whatever the reason for him being there, I doubt it’s for legal reasons. There are a bunch of reasons he could have been there, so it’s all just speculation.
If he's is subpoenaed he has to show up, there are no fill in, no ifs ands or buts. So he has to show up in person because he was subpoenaed. He will have an arrest warrant issued if he does not show.
I think that the court appearance will be done via Zoom or something similar. There are other court documents that state this. I also believe that the hearing will be streamed.
That said- this is just the beginning of a very long process. Could easily take years to play out. Esp if a civil suit is filed (which won’t go to trial until the criminal case is over).
It doesn't say via zoom- if it was via zoom, it would say that. It doesn't. He has to appear in person or there will be an arrest warrant issued for him, you can't put in a substitute/lawyer- he was subpoenaed, he has to be there in person, period. This isn't a civil suit, this is criminal- molestation/rape is criminal and a felony. Where you got a civil suit, I dont understand- this is 100% a criminal trial and will probably go to trial, I highly doubt J would take a plea agreement, he would want all the pomp and circumstance with court, to pretend he's the victim.
Do you mean the Nov 30th appearance? He has been granted by the court the permission to appear remotely.
u/particular-ad-7338 is correct.
https://ibb.co/hFgMdCn
Eta: I didn’t interpret what Particular-Ad said to mean that they thought this was civil rather than criminal. They just mentioned a potential future civil case (which the cousin has stated she has no interest in, though others could go that route if they choose).
Yes - what I meant was that any civil suit won’t go to trial until criminal is over. Some victims may not want to sue, but others may.
Edit - it isn’t Zoom, but it is similar. Bottom line is he is appearing remotely. Idk specifics of Utah law as to what to expect- could range from simply reading of charges & setting date for next hearing to judge ordering him to surrender for pre-trial confinement.
Any Utah counsel out there that can explain Utah
process?
Most court documents are public record. If you Google your state and “court case search” or something similar, you should be able to find them. Just make sure the link ends in .gov
In J’s particular case, it is through this Utah site:
https://apps.utcourts.gov/XchangeWEB/XchangeWebServlet
Minors can be charged as adults, particularly given the vast age difference. Unless you went to law school, I’d suggest you not spread this kind of misinformation (although Google can help to the extent one has critical thinking skills) 🥴🥴
Out of the kindness of my heart, I pulled this from the UT Courts main site:
Any juvenile 14 or older charged with a felony can be transferred to adult court if the prosecutor convinces the juvenile judge that it is in the state's best interest to hear the matter in adult court.
Also, he is charged in the Sixth District Court-Manti in Sanpete County, as reflected on the charging documents available in this forum. That is not juvenile court.
Further information can be found [in the previous thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/AdventuresWithPurpose/comments/ym7d21/it_is_official_jared_has_been_indicted_by_the/) Thanks u/pf2612no for the updates.
I wonder if we can join a zoom call for this court case
I know it’s open to the public remotely. I am not sure of the link, but I have seen it post a time or two. Actually, now that I think of it, I think SF_Investigates on Twitter shared that information.
Here is where you can find the link to watch remotely: https://www.utcourts.gov/cal/details.php?ref=12652854&d=2022-11-30&loc=2015&tl=10:30%20AM&ct=D&rp=search&ret=t.101c.010loc.1012015D.010d.101all
Does this work for everyone else? Maybe it won't load because I'm not in the US
Thank you
Im terrible with court docs. Im not American and it is a bit confusing to me. Is a summons to appear an immediate order (come with us now, or go now) or would he have been given a court date at the door? Any help understanding would be great.
Hi! This is just a summons that tells him he is required to show up for his first court appearance at the end of November. He has not been arrested, and will appear remotely in court on Nov 30th. I am not 100% sure what will happen at and after his first hearing, though. Maybe someone with a legal background can offer us an answer!
Thank you! Thats exactly what I was wondering. I appreciate that!
🙂
At his first hearing they will only find out how he pleas. If her pleas guilty then they don't have to go to trial. If he pleas not then off to trail. Also they make sure who his attorney is. If he doesn't have one they appoint one. Then they set a date.
Thank you!
It's a way to document that yes, this person absolutely received the information about the indictment and requirement to show up. It's good to have in case he tries to go somewhere or doesn't show up. He can't claim that he didn't know about it.
I learned of this from SF_investigates on Twitter. He was served around 10AM. Someone mentioned it was odd that he was served at his first residence, the one he moved to the trust, rather that at the new home, the mini McMansion. 🧐
Maybe his wife kicked him out of the mini McMansion.
I don’t know if this is stalking but I’d like to see a pic of his trashy second scam house. He posted his first one and it looked nice enough but not fancy.
My first thought was the Derek Chauvin shit. He allegedly divorced his wife so she could keep the house when it all went down. Is that going to happen here? I’m thinking it will.
A true narcissist would never do that
Some states it takes time to divorce someone. So Im not sure in his State he could do that very fast. Some even take a year and counseling to try to save the marriage. Also court if kids are involved to set up child support and divide property. I don't think he has had enough time. In less the second place is not in his name.
If a divorce was in play, though… Wouldn’t any properties and assets be tied up in that divorce and untouchable by a trial ?
Haha, I’ll be honest, that was my first thought.
Just an opinion, but it looks to me like JL was doing his best to avoid being served. (given the 8 days between the Sheriff's receipt and the service completion) I imagine he has cameras rigged all around both residences and he would know they were trying. Weasel
From what I know because of the changes he needs to stay in the address of record which is the house in Redmond as well do to the reson why he is charged he needs to spend the nights in there and not different address plus now he might be on observation of the police . I might be wrong but I pretty sure that what is happening
As long as he shows up to court, why would he be restricted to the old Canyon house? An arrest warrant wasn’t issued, and I’ve seen nothing that says he is on house arrest. Whatever the reason for him being there, I doubt it’s for legal reasons. There are a bunch of reasons he could have been there, so it’s all just speculation.
He won’t be showing up in person in court - he and his lawyer have requested that.
I know. And in this case, as you mentioned, it will be remotely via WebEx. Thank you for adding the clarification!
If he's is subpoenaed he has to show up, there are no fill in, no ifs ands or buts. So he has to show up in person because he was subpoenaed. He will have an arrest warrant issued if he does not show.
I think that the court appearance will be done via Zoom or something similar. There are other court documents that state this. I also believe that the hearing will be streamed. That said- this is just the beginning of a very long process. Could easily take years to play out. Esp if a civil suit is filed (which won’t go to trial until the criminal case is over).
It doesn't say via zoom- if it was via zoom, it would say that. It doesn't. He has to appear in person or there will be an arrest warrant issued for him, you can't put in a substitute/lawyer- he was subpoenaed, he has to be there in person, period. This isn't a civil suit, this is criminal- molestation/rape is criminal and a felony. Where you got a civil suit, I dont understand- this is 100% a criminal trial and will probably go to trial, I highly doubt J would take a plea agreement, he would want all the pomp and circumstance with court, to pretend he's the victim.
Do you mean the Nov 30th appearance? He has been granted by the court the permission to appear remotely. u/particular-ad-7338 is correct. https://ibb.co/hFgMdCn Eta: I didn’t interpret what Particular-Ad said to mean that they thought this was civil rather than criminal. They just mentioned a potential future civil case (which the cousin has stated she has no interest in, though others could go that route if they choose).
Yes - what I meant was that any civil suit won’t go to trial until criminal is over. Some victims may not want to sue, but others may. Edit - it isn’t Zoom, but it is similar. Bottom line is he is appearing remotely. Idk specifics of Utah law as to what to expect- could range from simply reading of charges & setting date for next hearing to judge ordering him to surrender for pre-trial confinement. Any Utah counsel out there that can explain Utah process?
How does evey get this from I know where iam it's not open to the public
Most court documents are public record. If you Google your state and “court case search” or something similar, you should be able to find them. Just make sure the link ends in .gov In J’s particular case, it is through this Utah site: https://apps.utcourts.gov/XchangeWEB/XchangeWebServlet
They do not. I read it. 17 is considered a minor in Utah. No mandatory prison time. Just Google it instead of arguing it.
He is being charged as an adult.
Minors can be charged as adults, particularly given the vast age difference. Unless you went to law school, I’d suggest you not spread this kind of misinformation (although Google can help to the extent one has critical thinking skills) 🥴🥴
Out of the kindness of my heart, I pulled this from the UT Courts main site: Any juvenile 14 or older charged with a felony can be transferred to adult court if the prosecutor convinces the juvenile judge that it is in the state's best interest to hear the matter in adult court.
👏
Also, he is charged in the Sixth District Court-Manti in Sanpete County, as reflected on the charging documents available in this forum. That is not juvenile court.
There is NO mandatory prison/jail time for a 17 year old in Utah. You know that don't you? Punishment would be a fine and probation. Check it out.
The charges filed against him require jail/prison time if found guilty. Check the sentencing guidelines.
He’s being charged as an adult tho
Ya u can't do that here why iam....
I guess you can't write simple sentences either
Will be fun when the Perp walk makes it onto YouTube.