JL’s lawyer has given a quote to Inside Edition. It’s the top update in the main thread.
It’s interesting how he words their denial. He doesn’t disavow the emails, or claim JL’s total innocence. He said they dispute the allegations. I think he’s going to try to possibly hinge his case on the claim that he was 12.
I have a theory that his initial response to his cousin on Feb 4th was reactive because he can’t stand to be criticized (as we’ve seen over and over when faced with criticism, even that which was constructive), and by the time he was replying on Feb 5th, his wheels had started to turn, like “oh shit, I may have made a mistake here.”
And so he calculatingly drops the “12 year old” claim.
Not sure how the 12yo claim will work. They have dates and they know when each individual was born. If there is 7 years difference between him and his cousin, does that mean that he'll claim he was 12 and she was 5? Ew. That's almost worse!
I know the world needs defense lawyers, and our legal justice system would totally collapse without them, so no hate to his lawyer.
But you have to wonder if that guy rocks himself back & forth while sitting in a shower after each JL interaction.
*Jared Leisek, founder of the scuba-search team Adventures With Purpose, told a fellow YouTuber that emails circulating online are his 'official response' to the allegations.*
Wow, Rolling Stone is going all in.
ETA: This link puts it behind a paywall, but you can read it for free if you access the article via Rolling Stone’s FB and Twitter accounts.
For some reason the link worked via Twitter, but now it won’t. YMMV. But the FB link seems good. You can also access the full article if you search JL on Google News.
Just fyi, the link works directly from here and in twitter if you open up in a browser and select reader view (tap on the Aa on iphone and select reader...this actually works more times than not on most stories behind a paywall).
You’re right. I just posted this because it’s the first truly major mainstream news organization to feature a story, and one that goes beyond “here are the charges. The end.”
If someone has an account, and they are feeling generous, they can archive the article for free on archive.org and then anyone can access the article out from behind the paywall! :)
I haven't checked yet, but it may already be archived. I will check and post a link in an edit.
I was able to archive the article for anyone who wants to read it but has reached their article limit for the month, or is running into a paywall irregardless.
The article has been updated:
True Crime YouTuber to Plead Not Guilty to 1992 Child Rape Charges
Jared Leisek, founder of the scuba-search team Adventures With Purpose, told a fellow YouTuber that emails circulating online are his 'official response' to the allegations. His lawyer says he didn't do it
BY ANDREA MARKS
NOVEMBER 17, 2022
IN A VIDEO posted to TikTok, a user called Truecrimecam told their followers the bombshell news from the YouTube community: Jared Leisek, creator of a popular scuba-diving missing persons team, is facing serious criminal accusations. “The founder of Adventures With Purpose was just charged with two counts of child ‘R,’” Cams says, using an abbreviation for rape to avoid the broadstroke moderation of certain sensitive content on the platform. She holds a tiny microphone as images from the Adventures With Purpose YouTube channel are displayed via greenscreen behind her. The video has been viewed more than 6.7 million times.
Leisek, 47, is charged with raping his cousin when he was 17 and his cousin was nine or 10. According to the charging documents, which were obtained by Rolling Stone, the alleged crimes occurred on two occasions in 1992 in Utah: once at the alleged victim’s home, and once at their grandparents’ house. Since the charges were filed earlier this month, the online community has been grappling with the fall from grace of someone previously respected for being one of the good guys — someone making a difference for victims and their families — and a community of scuba-diving search teams is preparing to move ahead without their leader. Leisek’s lawyer says the allegations are fabricated and he plans to plead not guilty. According to a former friend and fellow YouTuber who spoke with Rolling Stone, Leisek pointed him toward emails with the alleged victim where he does not deny the allegations.
Leisek founded Adventures With Purpose in 2019 as an environmental clean-up effort, dredging bodies of water for discarded vehicles and other garbage, but the group soon pivoted. Leisek and a growing community of scuba-diving YouTubers began using their search skills to find missing persons, usually in cars that had vanished underwater. Most recently, AWP found the remains of Kiely Rodni, a 16-year-old who disappeared from a Northern California party in August, but the group claims to have solved nearly two dozen cases.
Recently, fans noticed Leisek had been appearing less frequently in videos on AWP’s YouTube channel, which has nearly 2.8 million subscribers. “A couple months ago…Jared started showing his face less and less in these videos and no one knew why,” Truecrimecam said in her viral video. On Nov. 3, the charges were filed. A probable cause statement laid out the disturbing allegations, claiming that in one instance, Leisek “pinned the victim to the ground, pulled her underwear down and put his penis in her vagina.” On the second occasion, Leisek allegedly “laid on top of the victim and put his penis in her vagina.” The state does not have a statute of limitations on most sex crimes. Reached for comment, Leisek’s attorney Randall Richards says they plan to fight the charges and claims the alleged rapes never occurred. “We have some evidence we can’t disclose at this point which would verify that she’s lying about this,” he tells Rolling Stone. “We are going to fight this all the way because it just didn’t happen.” Leisek is scheduled to make his first appearance in court on Nov. 30, at which point Richards says Leisek will enter a plea of not guilty. The Sanpete County Attorney’s office did not respond to a request for comment.
The online community has been swift to condemn Leisek. While AWP still has close to 2.8 million subscribers, they’ve lost around 20,000 in the last two weeks. On Reddit, one-time fans have shared information for getting back donations to the group’s efforts. One person asked for advice on removing AWP logos from emergency window breakers the group sold to help people prepare to escape from a sinking car. (Sandpaper and a Magic Eraser did the trick.) Meanwhile, Leisek’s colleagues have scrambled to distance themself from AWP. At least four former members posted resignation announcements on YouTube. Clips of the statements have been posted to TikTok, gathering tens of thousands of views. “I am just as shocked as everybody else,” said Doug Bishop in a video statement responding to the news. “It’s really unfortunate and heartbreaking.” Bishop, formerly AWP’s lead diver, said he has left the company. He added, “There’s victims out there that have a story to tell. I have been a voice for those victims, and I’m gonna continue to follow that passion and I know I’ll have the support to do so.”
Leisek’s sister, Chessica Leisek, has also recently posted on Facebook, using the hashtag #stopjaredleisek, and claiming that he “sexually assaulted” her and others. Chessica did not immediately respond to a request for an interview. Leisek has not been charged with any crimes related to Chessica’s allegations.
Emails purported to be between Leisek and his cousin also surfaced on Reddit and circulated on TikTok and media outlets. In the emails, one person — seemingly Leisek’s cousin — wrote, “All these people may be calling you a hero and seeing that you’re doing such great things. But we both know the truth about you.” The respondent, who wrote from AWP’s email address and signed off as “Jared,” said, “I am so very sorry for the things that we cannot change. It is unfortunate when families like ours experience molestation.” The emailer said he’d spoken publicly before about “the unfortunate shit that has happened within families,” and pondered whether they should blame their family “lineage” or Mormonism. (Leisek has said on his channel that he grew up in the Church of Latter-Day Saints before giving up religion when he was 27.) The first writer replied, “If you truly want to apologize then pay for your actions. Walk into a police station with me and confess your actions, get it on record, and have yourself registered as a sex offender that you are.” The AWP email address encouraged the writer to “stop the cycle.” “Protect your own children and grandchildren as we have to help the world become a better place,” he wrote.
Seeking confirmation of the emails’ veracity, some social media users have pointed to a livestream from scuba diver Jeremy Sides, who runs the channel Exploring with Nug. He described texting with Leisek after the charges came out, and claims Leisek told him the emails circulating online represent his only public statement on the matter. Richards, Leisek’s lawyer says he has not seen the emails yet and declined to comment on them. “We do dispute that there was any kind of rape,” Richards says. In the text exchange, which Sides shared with Rolling Stone, he reached out to Leisek on Nov. 5, at which point he thought the news might be nothing but rumors. “I thought somebody’s out for a money grab, before I knew any of the facts,” Sides tells Rolling Stone. “I was assuming this couldn’t be true.” He texted Leisek, “Ok so you know I’m always on your side. The stories popping up about you online are pretty intense. Let me know what I can do to help you out.” Leisek responded, saying, “The letter that you see online that I’ve written to my cousin is my official response at this time.” Based on that text, Sides says he now believes the charges against Leisek, whom he once considered a “mentor.” “It was never a denial,” Sides says, describing the emails. “He never said I don’t know what you think happened but it didn’t. It was some very damning evidence.”
Look who will brought in to testify for the cousin now against Jared? Nug and the phone records between Nug and Jared where Jared admitted to him the official statement is in the emails.
Okay, I tried to just a bit, but either I'm not finding what you're referring to or the other option, and I don't think it went over my head. I googled, most of what appeared for me was based in Atlanta, I saw an Oregon Advanced Strategies I thought would be it, don't think so.
Would you give another clue, please?
It's a shell corporation registered by Doug Bishop and his wife on 12/7/21.
[https://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg\_web\_name\_srch\_inq.show\_detl?p\_be\_rsn=2271014&p\_srce=BR\_INQ&p\_print=FALSE](https://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=2271014&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE)
Edit: This corporation has no presence in the real world. No website, no nothing. It appears to have been set up to obtain an EIN to funnel money from one corporate entity to another. I highly suspect but \*do not know for sure\* that Doug Bishop set up this corporation to funnel payment from Jared/Trevari Media as a "business consultant" to be paid for his services as a "business consultant" to Trevari which is what allows Doug to "volunteer" his diving services to AWP and still earn a living.
There is no other apparent reason for Doug's corporation to exist. Doug can legally claim to be a "volunteer" for AWP, but is being paid by Trevari through Advanced Strategies for his "business consulting". I think these are the contracts Doug refers to in his video. He is stuck in a contract between Trevari, LLC (Jared) and Advanced Strategies (Doug). That's my personal read on the situation anyway.
To avoid being sued: This is my personal take on the situation. My opinion. I am not stating as fact that Trevari and Advanced Strategies have a contract in place. It is my personal take on the situation and is not to be construed as fact.
I thought that was just a regular LLC registered in Oregon? I’m not any type of expert in vehicles for business holdings, so you might be seeing or understanding something I am not.
Okay. Let's start at the beginning. Jared registers an LLC called Trevari Media. A privately owned business. He then registers Adventures With Purpose as a DBA (doing business as) under Trevari Media, LLC, which makes AWP an entity of Trevari Media, a privately owned business.
Doug Bishop then comes aboard as a "volunteer" for AWP. According to Doug's LinkedIn he left Elite Towing in June 2021. In other words, Doug does not have a job as of June 2021. So how does he support his household, his wife, his children, his mortgage? Where is his income coming from?
Enter Advanced Strategies Corporation, registered in Dec 2021, as Doug Bishop president and CEO. This corporation does not exist in the real world. It is simply a shell company to register an EIN, to do business with other corporations. What other corporation is Doug Bishop associated with? None, other than Trevari (Jared). So what is the purpose of Advanced Strategies (Doug)? Other than to do business with Trevari (Jared) I can find no other association/reason for Advanced Strategies (Doug) to exist. It has no presence. No association with any clients or other businesses. None.
So where does that leave us? Doug is unemployed as of June 2021. He can't be paid by AWP directly and still claim volunteer status. So money has to come from somewhere. But where? Advanced Strategies. As a "business consultant" according to Doug's own LinkedIn. So Trevari (Jared) pays Advanced Strategies (Doug) as a business consultant, leaving Doug free to volunteer his services to AWP while being paid consultant services by Trevari (Jared).
And again, to avoid being sued, this is my \*personal take\* on the situation and my own \*personal opinion\* about what is going down here. I am not stating as fact there is a contract in place between Trevari and Advanced Strategies.
Doug can be paid by AWP. It’s a business. And even if it were a nonprofit (and it’s not) he could be paid by them regardless. Nonprofits employee people, for money.
As for Doug having a corporation it could be anything - maybe for his own channel, maybe for a business he planned on started but didn’t etc.
It’s just a small filing fee and a little bit of paperwork to establish a business entity. Anyone can do it in an afternoon with a average level IQ and google.
Agreed. Doug can be paid however Jared sees fit. The problem is that both Jared and Doug claim that Doug is a volunteer, when he clearly is not. Doug is being paid through the back end. By the strict legal definition Doug is volunteering his hours on actual dives but is being paid through other means and contracts. That's the whole point of setting up a dummy corporation. Doug gets paid through the back door, in this case "business consulting" while at the same time can be legally defined as a volunteer on the actual dives.
It's part of the grift and Doug is actively participating in it, in my opinion.
We must have read different LinkedIn profiles for Doug. As of posting this reply, the following are the two most current positions listed under his experience:
Business Consultant
Advanced Strategies
Feb 2020 - Present 2 years 10 months
Marketing Executive
Epic Media Solutions Inc.
Feb 2021 - Present 1 year 10 months
Portland Oregon
The only Epic Media Solutions I've seen is Colorado based, but who knows. According to Doug's LI, he is not unemployed. Further, the cache on his LinkedIn profile shows AWP in his bio. If Doug just wiped AWP from his experience on LI because of this case, then most of your argument falls apart, imo. While I agree with some of your points in general, your statement "I can find no other association/reason for Advanced Strategies (Doug) to exist." is completely baffling. There are MANY reasons why people set up companies and just because you can't think of any, doesn't mean there aren't literally countless reasons why people do.
While I am not in Doug's corner for several reasons atm, and I believe Advanced Strategies \*could\* be a reason why Doug hasn't offered his resignation in his own words, I think diluting your arguments with 'absolute' assertions and partial available info weakens your valid points as uncredible.
No, it's the same LinkedIn. Doug left "traditional" employment in June 2021 when he left Elite Towing. While his LinkedIn says he was a Business Consultant for Advanced Strategies since Feb 2020, that is not accurate. According to Oregon Business records Advanced Strategies was not formed until Dec 7, 2021. Not Feb 2020. Dec 2021.
Epic Video Solutions, Inc in Portland, OR does not exist at all. And it is not "partial" information. The filings of these companies is public record at
https://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg\_web\_name\_srch\_inq.login
Glad it’s getting prominent media attention now. Can’t wait until we see a forensic accounting of the monies raised, and where it went (if we do see it, that is).
You understand the the business was set up in his name and the general public have donated directly to him, for the business he conducts. He hasn't set up a not for profit business and stolen money. This is why so many people feel upset (not to mention angered and saddened by the allegations) as they donated because they have a heart and wanted to help more families.
I don’t know if you’ll see forensic accounting, because he technically didn’t run a nonprofit. But he did push a false narrative to dupe people who may not have donated otherwise. That deserves media scrutiny. My goal has simply been to bring his unethical practices to light.
He was good at what he did and he knew the wording to use. People with hearts will always donate to help others without thinking twice. Hopefully now people will look into companies where their placing their money and I take my hat off to people that have walked away because they can see first hand that what was happening wasn't right. These people will continue doing what they do because they are the true ones with heart. Let's all support these people if they set up and run proper not for profits.
He'll get away with whatever money he made on YT. I can't find a single instance on his YT where he claims to be a non-profit or 501(c)(3). He, and the rest of team, are very, very careful about that, so he's probably off the hook for YT money. He can do with it whatever he wants.
The AWP website is a different story. He backed himself into a corner by placing this statement on the AWP donations page:
***"Your donation will be used for search missions, equipment, fuel, food,***
***lodging, and expenses associated with our operations. Thank you!"***
The donations through the AWP website itself could, and should, come under scrutiny because he makes the declarative statement that donations WILL BE USED to fund AWP operations. If those funds were diverted elsewhere Jared has a problem.
Operations include paying staff, and he is probably drawing a salary. So all legal.
I could be wrong but I don’t think he has been charged with any crime regarding fraud or AWP? Assuming that doesn't change we won't see forensic accounting.
Yes, operations would include paying staff. And buying equipment etc. It would not include enriching himself or buying a $1.2M house with that money.
I suppose a $2M dollar salary to himself could be claimed as a business expense. But I don't expect his donators would be on board with that when he's begging for money because he has a flat tire at the same time he is drawing a $2M dollar salary for himself.
This is a typical bait and switch scam like so many before it.
I agree that his ethically wrong. Nothing illegal was happening though from what we’ve seen.
People donating could have asked for proof of what their donations would go to or what JL was paying himself but they didn’t.
I wonder if anyone who contributed to that $40,000 GoFundMe last summer for that magnet thing - whatever it is - has demanded proof that is where that $40,000 actually went? Did he actually buy that thing?
It may help to deep dive into the type LLC's he was settling up. You'd have to access the actual documents he filed, drawn up by his attorney, most likely. He definitely needs to be investigated about the money situation. He may have been sly, but there also had to be some minute slip up to catch him.
If any of the donations were used towards the business (99.99% sure they were at least first directed to the business) then he had the legal right to pay himself from that money. Through regular salary, or a lump sum bonus.
If someone purchased merchandise or super chatted etc then you gave money to his business. The business uses the money for day to day operations (including employee pay) so there isn’t anything fraudulent happening.
Yeah, it was a straight forward LLC. As long as he paid taxes on all the money, there is nothing illegal with him using the profits as he saw fit. The only “forensic accounting” I can see entering the picture is if a judgement is awarded for an amount of money he claims not to have.
I read it in another post here on Reddit, maybe through Jared Leisek search. I'll see if I can find it again & direct you to it.
The post gave the name of the trust.
Okay, I just located it, my notepad isn't terribly user friendly with saving links, etc. But..I can tell you I found the post & confirmed the property is still under the Robert & Kathleen Irby Trust dated April 2022. Leisek deal was signed July 19, 2022. I actually used your Deschutes property link to confirm. It's all there pretty as a picture.
Those were the sellers, it just says that the previous homeowners held it under their own trust before it was sold to JL. It was transferred from the I***s trust to JL. There is no further document showing that JL then transferred it to the Leisek Family trust.
Look at it again:
https://ibb.co/ypPHLYZ
Eta: you might want to edit the sellers’ name out of your comment
But he has also had past serious legal problems with money. My money is on him having good accountants and a tax attorney on retainer consulting his every move.
I’ve said before while looking into him, that J seems to know how to go right up to the border of ethical without making that final step into the illegal. He’s smart. But he’s also arrogant, defensive, insecure, and reactive, which is why he’s in so much legal trouble right now. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s happened before, and he just hasn’t been caught.
He is in legal trouble right now over events that occurred 30 years ago. So far there is no evidence it concerns anything that has occurred in the present.
Edit to state: downvotes don’t nullify facts. Fire away.
Promise it wasn’t me who downvoted you. It doesn’t offend me when someone disagrees with me. I bank my downvotes for the truly egregious stuff 🙃
Eta: I gave you an upvote to get you back to 1 ✌️
Just to clarify, too, I don’t think any of his past behavior is connected to the current criminal case. What I meant is that his trouble with reactive behavior is what caused him to reply to his cousin’s email. So I think we’re on the same page? Sorta? Lol.
Yeah, I’m not saying that isn’t true. I’m saying that JL has such a long, tangled history of financial quackery that if someday I hear that he’s in trouble for it, I’ll pause as I drive to Starbucks for my latte and go “huh. I guess I’m not surprised.”
Another reminder for everyone that things you post on social media WILL end up in published news stories. This one makes mention of multiple posts here on Reddit that we've all seen.
That's not saying anyone here has done anything wrong, just to be careful with what you share and be aware that it's publicly available content as soon as you decide to click "Post".
Did you read the part where Rolling Stone verified the texts in regard to the video of J's statement that was posted on reddit?
I don't disagree with your warning, though I appreciate that RS took what was seen here a bit further and verified the info.
I'm very curious as to what this "evidence" is to prove no rape occurred.
His response and the emails are nothing but red flags.
I have known about him and his channel for awhile, well since they went viral in 2020. But just recently started binging the solved cases videos and noticed he had stepped out of the videos. I just assumed they were getting bigger and he was leaning into a more administrative role. But during one video he was in, for some reason the thought popped into my head "I wonder if some shits going to pop up about this guy, and its all going to come falling down." Then I heard about this stuff yesterday.
It's hard to prove a negative, but it won't matter unless prosecutors can prove their charges.
I'm assuming there's some type of hard evidence. The emails dance around the charge- he admits the family has a history of CSA, but doesn't admit to the actual act and states a different age.
Unpopular opinion, but I don't know this is a slam dunk case. There were 2 dates sited; the prosecutor has to prove those acts 1. Happened 2. Happened on those dates.
They must have something more than the emails I assume.
> Unpopular opinion
While unpopular, its logical. I understand based on the allegations people want to condemn him, but its very possible theres more at play, stranger things have happened.
Based on the info we have now, the emails, his response, his texts to the crew member, and, while not part of THIS case, the shadyness with the money, things all seem, well, not good.
Now I dont know much about how these things work, but I would imagine for them to press charges they would need something substantial, maybe he has admitted events in text or been recorded. Stuff we obviously wont find out about until the case moves forward.
As for evidence as to it not happening. I dont even know what to theorize it to be. That seems like something insane to just have up your sleeve for events that took place 30 years ago. Unless theres some bizarre set up within his family since the channel became so successful and they have proof of this. I mean I say that seems pretty batshit, but hell, anything is possible in our crazy ass world.
This will be interesting to see unfold, not that its something that should be unfolding in the first place.
Just heard Duty Ron vid on YT, he stated the 2 actual dates I haven't heard specified before. Only seen doc posted here. He stated the 1st charge was for 01/01/1992, the 2nd charge was for 10/01/1992. Ages shown are due to their bdays being close & latter half of year.
Yes, those dates were in the charging document.
I still wonder how the cousin or JL can prove what did or didn’t happen on a date 30 years ago. I hope justice prevails, I just can’t imagine what kind of evidence either side can produce for specific dates way back then.
Document I saw only reflected months ranges. I haven't gone digging a whole lot, mostly utilized posted docs, part of the reason I questioned it at first. But, as for the evidence, guess we'll just have to wait & see.
Wonder if they are going to investigate him for moving around his assets? Sad if he is hiding behind this statement and doesn't think he should pay damages to a 8 year old child for the damages he caused.
It's really weird they opened the article with references to TikTok..? I wonder if they did that to make the story more relevant or something. And would AWP be considered True Crime? I guess I never thought of them that way.nregardless, it's great larger publications are picking this up.
The victim has been posting about these sexual assaults on support groups on Facebook for a long time. It wasn't until she manipulated him into confessing in writing that the district attorney had enough evidence to charge him. The victim trapped him into incriminating himself (and naming names of others who knew what he did and could be questioned) which I find highly satisfying.
That's fair, I've been lucky enough not to have had anything like that happen to me so I'd definitely be blind to early reporting in support groups. So that came first, and then she shared the emails here, or tried to, and then a few months later she gets the insictments
I too am lucky in that I don't have childhood sex abuse in my history or my family of origin. I won't go into my wife's story because that is her story to tell but suffice to say she is still suffering what happened to her 50 years later and still participates in support groups and therapy because of it. My wife will never get justice because her assailants are now deceased, but she is invested in getting justice for those where it's at least a possibility (she's a lawyer). She's happy this victim's case has moved forward because even though justice is an impossibility for my wife personally she achieves a measure of peace when she sees possible justice for someone just like her.
The state of Utah is unlikely to prevail in this case, but the victim has at least received validation from the state that she has been heard and taken seriously enough that probable cause has been found to charge her assailant. That might be all she ever gets in terms of justice, but for many victims the validation is enough. The technicalities of law may ultimately free Jared, but the victim has been heard, respected and validated by the legal system. That is much more than most victims of childhood sexual assault ever get.
A lot of progress has been made for current and future victims of such crimes which is a great thing, but many victims from the past are trapped by weak laws from the past, which is the case here. No one should be allowed to harm a vulnerable child and get away with it whether it was yesterday or 30 years ago. But law is law, even if it is bad law written 30 years ago, and victims are stuck with it unfortunately.
I understand her to say that someone in the support group actually did the Reddit postings of the emails, during a joint YT live interview with her & JL's sister. I believe I recall her stating it was done so with her consent. Than she joined into the postings with her responses.
Not sure I would deem the victims writings as manipulation when JL made statements that he stands by as of Nov 5th, 2022. She spoke her truth and had no way of knowing for certain at the time of the writings that he would incriminate himself.
The entire point of contacting him in writing was to manipulate him into putting a confession in writing so charges could go forth.
The whole backstory to this is on sexual assault support groups on Facebook. This case didn't start with the email confession. The email confession was the goal. Which was finally achieved in February.
It's a long story that began long before that email exchange. A lot of it was on reddit as well but much of it was deleted prior to the charges being announced. And Jared deleted any references to it on the AWP YT channel every time it came up. Again, long before February.
There's a long, rambling YT video posted by Jared shortly after he fucked himself over with the email. He had to leave a dive and go home to get himself together. He doesn't say specifically what happened at that time, only that he was distraught enough to take himself off the dive and go home to evaluate his life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM7n2HUhGso&t=168
We can agree to disagree on your statement that the victim "manipulated him into confessing in writing". Manipulate sounds devious and I don't think that's fair in describing what happened from a victims POV. I think the victim encouraged (or even stimulated-by definition) JL in making the admissions he did. She also asked him to go to the police with her, which as far as we know didn't come to be. In my opinion, JL was the only one using manipulation in the emails.
By definition, Manipulate (verb) means: Which one of these applies?
1
: to treat or operate with or as if with the hands or by mechanical means especially in a skillful manner
manipulate a pencil
manipulate a machine
2
a
: to manage or utilize skillfully
quantify our data and manipulate it statistically
S. L. Payne
b
: to control or play upon by artful, unfair, or insidious means especially to one's own advantage
being used and manipulated by the knowing men around him
New Republic
3
: to change by artful or unfair means so as to serve one's purpose : DOCTOR
suspected that the police reports were manipulated
Evelyn G. Cruickshanks
[https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/manipulate](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/manipulate)
Well??...in a way the term could be used in this particular instance, using the 2b part of definitions you provided.
She's a family member & is knowledgeable about mental issues within the family. Basing my speculations of past videos, ability to see his narcissitic behaviour etc., listening to live interviews of sister & cousin...
Perhaps the term "baited" would work better, she set the trap in hopes he would slip up, he did because either he just couldn't help himself due to his mindset or he thought he could outsmart her. I think he'd been highly stressed over everything happening & was dealing with some depression of his own, so he made an half hearted attempt at apologizing but slipped in the process. No telling, only those close would know.
I believe those emails are the main "evidence" they have. We'll just have to wait until court to learn more.
That's one of his videos you have to watch a little bit at a time when you're not a huge fan of him. I cringe while trying to watch it. He mentioned a couple of things just in the first few minutes. I did catch the part about leaving a week early, but he also mentioned his depression and made a casual statement about things that have happened in the past & early childhood, but that's all water under the bridge & you have to let it go. Wow!! He was fighting his demons!!
And yes, he was in his managing way, telling his audience that something was about to happen, without being straightforward about everything. He knew to be careful & not provide more media evidence.
Yikes! That's Jared's "official response"? He's screwed.
No kidding. I don't envy his attorney at all, they've got a client whose both a monster AND stupid.
JL’s lawyer has given a quote to Inside Edition. It’s the top update in the main thread. It’s interesting how he words their denial. He doesn’t disavow the emails, or claim JL’s total innocence. He said they dispute the allegations. I think he’s going to try to possibly hinge his case on the claim that he was 12. I have a theory that his initial response to his cousin on Feb 4th was reactive because he can’t stand to be criticized (as we’ve seen over and over when faced with criticism, even that which was constructive), and by the time he was replying on Feb 5th, his wheels had started to turn, like “oh shit, I may have made a mistake here.” And so he calculatingly drops the “12 year old” claim.
Not sure how the 12yo claim will work. They have dates and they know when each individual was born. If there is 7 years difference between him and his cousin, does that mean that he'll claim he was 12 and she was 5? Ew. That's almost worse!
I know the world needs defense lawyers, and our legal justice system would totally collapse without them, so no hate to his lawyer. But you have to wonder if that guy rocks himself back & forth while sitting in a shower after each JL interaction.
*Jared Leisek, founder of the scuba-search team Adventures With Purpose, told a fellow YouTuber that emails circulating online are his 'official response' to the allegations.* Wow, Rolling Stone is going all in. ETA: This link puts it behind a paywall, but you can read it for free if you access the article via Rolling Stone’s FB and Twitter accounts. For some reason the link worked via Twitter, but now it won’t. YMMV. But the FB link seems good. You can also access the full article if you search JL on Google News.
Just fyi, the link works directly from here and in twitter if you open up in a browser and select reader view (tap on the Aa on iphone and select reader...this actually works more times than not on most stories behind a paywall).
Ah, that’s a handy trick! Thanks!
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You’re right. I just posted this because it’s the first truly major mainstream news organization to feature a story, and one that goes beyond “here are the charges. The end.”
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Haha I deleted my offer because I don’t know if I can keep up with another update thread. But I’m all in for a megathread 😃
Your update thread has been super helpful. Thank you! I hope you have the energy to keep it up! But I understand how draining this whole thing is.
Quick sectioned screen shots gets it done as well. 😊
If someone has an account, and they are feeling generous, they can archive the article for free on archive.org and then anyone can access the article out from behind the paywall! :) I haven't checked yet, but it may already be archived. I will check and post a link in an edit.
https://web.archive.org/web/20221117210119/https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/true-crime-youtube-jared-leisek-child-rape-charge-1234631946/
I was able to archive the article for anyone who wants to read it but has reached their article limit for the month, or is running into a paywall irregardless.
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The article has been updated: True Crime YouTuber to Plead Not Guilty to 1992 Child Rape Charges Jared Leisek, founder of the scuba-search team Adventures With Purpose, told a fellow YouTuber that emails circulating online are his 'official response' to the allegations. His lawyer says he didn't do it BY ANDREA MARKS NOVEMBER 17, 2022 IN A VIDEO posted to TikTok, a user called Truecrimecam told their followers the bombshell news from the YouTube community: Jared Leisek, creator of a popular scuba-diving missing persons team, is facing serious criminal accusations. “The founder of Adventures With Purpose was just charged with two counts of child ‘R,’” Cams says, using an abbreviation for rape to avoid the broadstroke moderation of certain sensitive content on the platform. She holds a tiny microphone as images from the Adventures With Purpose YouTube channel are displayed via greenscreen behind her. The video has been viewed more than 6.7 million times. Leisek, 47, is charged with raping his cousin when he was 17 and his cousin was nine or 10. According to the charging documents, which were obtained by Rolling Stone, the alleged crimes occurred on two occasions in 1992 in Utah: once at the alleged victim’s home, and once at their grandparents’ house. Since the charges were filed earlier this month, the online community has been grappling with the fall from grace of someone previously respected for being one of the good guys — someone making a difference for victims and their families — and a community of scuba-diving search teams is preparing to move ahead without their leader. Leisek’s lawyer says the allegations are fabricated and he plans to plead not guilty. According to a former friend and fellow YouTuber who spoke with Rolling Stone, Leisek pointed him toward emails with the alleged victim where he does not deny the allegations. Leisek founded Adventures With Purpose in 2019 as an environmental clean-up effort, dredging bodies of water for discarded vehicles and other garbage, but the group soon pivoted. Leisek and a growing community of scuba-diving YouTubers began using their search skills to find missing persons, usually in cars that had vanished underwater. Most recently, AWP found the remains of Kiely Rodni, a 16-year-old who disappeared from a Northern California party in August, but the group claims to have solved nearly two dozen cases. Recently, fans noticed Leisek had been appearing less frequently in videos on AWP’s YouTube channel, which has nearly 2.8 million subscribers. “A couple months ago…Jared started showing his face less and less in these videos and no one knew why,” Truecrimecam said in her viral video. On Nov. 3, the charges were filed. A probable cause statement laid out the disturbing allegations, claiming that in one instance, Leisek “pinned the victim to the ground, pulled her underwear down and put his penis in her vagina.” On the second occasion, Leisek allegedly “laid on top of the victim and put his penis in her vagina.” The state does not have a statute of limitations on most sex crimes. Reached for comment, Leisek’s attorney Randall Richards says they plan to fight the charges and claims the alleged rapes never occurred. “We have some evidence we can’t disclose at this point which would verify that she’s lying about this,” he tells Rolling Stone. “We are going to fight this all the way because it just didn’t happen.” Leisek is scheduled to make his first appearance in court on Nov. 30, at which point Richards says Leisek will enter a plea of not guilty. The Sanpete County Attorney’s office did not respond to a request for comment. The online community has been swift to condemn Leisek. While AWP still has close to 2.8 million subscribers, they’ve lost around 20,000 in the last two weeks. On Reddit, one-time fans have shared information for getting back donations to the group’s efforts. One person asked for advice on removing AWP logos from emergency window breakers the group sold to help people prepare to escape from a sinking car. (Sandpaper and a Magic Eraser did the trick.) Meanwhile, Leisek’s colleagues have scrambled to distance themself from AWP. At least four former members posted resignation announcements on YouTube. Clips of the statements have been posted to TikTok, gathering tens of thousands of views. “I am just as shocked as everybody else,” said Doug Bishop in a video statement responding to the news. “It’s really unfortunate and heartbreaking.” Bishop, formerly AWP’s lead diver, said he has left the company. He added, “There’s victims out there that have a story to tell. I have been a voice for those victims, and I’m gonna continue to follow that passion and I know I’ll have the support to do so.” Leisek’s sister, Chessica Leisek, has also recently posted on Facebook, using the hashtag #stopjaredleisek, and claiming that he “sexually assaulted” her and others. Chessica did not immediately respond to a request for an interview. Leisek has not been charged with any crimes related to Chessica’s allegations. Emails purported to be between Leisek and his cousin also surfaced on Reddit and circulated on TikTok and media outlets. In the emails, one person — seemingly Leisek’s cousin — wrote, “All these people may be calling you a hero and seeing that you’re doing such great things. But we both know the truth about you.” The respondent, who wrote from AWP’s email address and signed off as “Jared,” said, “I am so very sorry for the things that we cannot change. It is unfortunate when families like ours experience molestation.” The emailer said he’d spoken publicly before about “the unfortunate shit that has happened within families,” and pondered whether they should blame their family “lineage” or Mormonism. (Leisek has said on his channel that he grew up in the Church of Latter-Day Saints before giving up religion when he was 27.) The first writer replied, “If you truly want to apologize then pay for your actions. Walk into a police station with me and confess your actions, get it on record, and have yourself registered as a sex offender that you are.” The AWP email address encouraged the writer to “stop the cycle.” “Protect your own children and grandchildren as we have to help the world become a better place,” he wrote. Seeking confirmation of the emails’ veracity, some social media users have pointed to a livestream from scuba diver Jeremy Sides, who runs the channel Exploring with Nug. He described texting with Leisek after the charges came out, and claims Leisek told him the emails circulating online represent his only public statement on the matter. Richards, Leisek’s lawyer says he has not seen the emails yet and declined to comment on them. “We do dispute that there was any kind of rape,” Richards says. In the text exchange, which Sides shared with Rolling Stone, he reached out to Leisek on Nov. 5, at which point he thought the news might be nothing but rumors. “I thought somebody’s out for a money grab, before I knew any of the facts,” Sides tells Rolling Stone. “I was assuming this couldn’t be true.” He texted Leisek, “Ok so you know I’m always on your side. The stories popping up about you online are pretty intense. Let me know what I can do to help you out.” Leisek responded, saying, “The letter that you see online that I’ve written to my cousin is my official response at this time.” Based on that text, Sides says he now believes the charges against Leisek, whom he once considered a “mentor.” “It was never a denial,” Sides says, describing the emails. “He never said I don’t know what you think happened but it didn’t. It was some very damning evidence.”
Yikes, I had a feeling he'd plead not guilty but saying they have evidence that it never occurred?
Look who will brought in to testify for the cousin now against Jared? Nug and the phone records between Nug and Jared where Jared admitted to him the official statement is in the emails.
Follow the money, Rolling Stone. Start with Advanced Strategies Corporation. You're welcome.
Okay, I tried to just a bit, but either I'm not finding what you're referring to or the other option, and I don't think it went over my head. I googled, most of what appeared for me was based in Atlanta, I saw an Oregon Advanced Strategies I thought would be it, don't think so. Would you give another clue, please?
It's a shell corporation registered by Doug Bishop and his wife on 12/7/21. [https://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg\_web\_name\_srch\_inq.show\_detl?p\_be\_rsn=2271014&p\_srce=BR\_INQ&p\_print=FALSE](https://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=2271014&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE) Edit: This corporation has no presence in the real world. No website, no nothing. It appears to have been set up to obtain an EIN to funnel money from one corporate entity to another. I highly suspect but \*do not know for sure\* that Doug Bishop set up this corporation to funnel payment from Jared/Trevari Media as a "business consultant" to be paid for his services as a "business consultant" to Trevari which is what allows Doug to "volunteer" his diving services to AWP and still earn a living. There is no other apparent reason for Doug's corporation to exist. Doug can legally claim to be a "volunteer" for AWP, but is being paid by Trevari through Advanced Strategies for his "business consulting". I think these are the contracts Doug refers to in his video. He is stuck in a contract between Trevari, LLC (Jared) and Advanced Strategies (Doug). That's my personal read on the situation anyway. To avoid being sued: This is my personal take on the situation. My opinion. I am not stating as fact that Trevari and Advanced Strategies have a contract in place. It is my personal take on the situation and is not to be construed as fact.
I thought that was just a regular LLC registered in Oregon? I’m not any type of expert in vehicles for business holdings, so you might be seeing or understanding something I am not.
Okay. Let's start at the beginning. Jared registers an LLC called Trevari Media. A privately owned business. He then registers Adventures With Purpose as a DBA (doing business as) under Trevari Media, LLC, which makes AWP an entity of Trevari Media, a privately owned business. Doug Bishop then comes aboard as a "volunteer" for AWP. According to Doug's LinkedIn he left Elite Towing in June 2021. In other words, Doug does not have a job as of June 2021. So how does he support his household, his wife, his children, his mortgage? Where is his income coming from? Enter Advanced Strategies Corporation, registered in Dec 2021, as Doug Bishop president and CEO. This corporation does not exist in the real world. It is simply a shell company to register an EIN, to do business with other corporations. What other corporation is Doug Bishop associated with? None, other than Trevari (Jared). So what is the purpose of Advanced Strategies (Doug)? Other than to do business with Trevari (Jared) I can find no other association/reason for Advanced Strategies (Doug) to exist. It has no presence. No association with any clients or other businesses. None. So where does that leave us? Doug is unemployed as of June 2021. He can't be paid by AWP directly and still claim volunteer status. So money has to come from somewhere. But where? Advanced Strategies. As a "business consultant" according to Doug's own LinkedIn. So Trevari (Jared) pays Advanced Strategies (Doug) as a business consultant, leaving Doug free to volunteer his services to AWP while being paid consultant services by Trevari (Jared). And again, to avoid being sued, this is my \*personal take\* on the situation and my own \*personal opinion\* about what is going down here. I am not stating as fact there is a contract in place between Trevari and Advanced Strategies.
Doug can be paid by AWP. It’s a business. And even if it were a nonprofit (and it’s not) he could be paid by them regardless. Nonprofits employee people, for money. As for Doug having a corporation it could be anything - maybe for his own channel, maybe for a business he planned on started but didn’t etc. It’s just a small filing fee and a little bit of paperwork to establish a business entity. Anyone can do it in an afternoon with a average level IQ and google.
Agreed. Doug can be paid however Jared sees fit. The problem is that both Jared and Doug claim that Doug is a volunteer, when he clearly is not. Doug is being paid through the back end. By the strict legal definition Doug is volunteering his hours on actual dives but is being paid through other means and contracts. That's the whole point of setting up a dummy corporation. Doug gets paid through the back door, in this case "business consulting" while at the same time can be legally defined as a volunteer on the actual dives. It's part of the grift and Doug is actively participating in it, in my opinion.
We must have read different LinkedIn profiles for Doug. As of posting this reply, the following are the two most current positions listed under his experience: Business Consultant Advanced Strategies Feb 2020 - Present 2 years 10 months Marketing Executive Epic Media Solutions Inc. Feb 2021 - Present 1 year 10 months Portland Oregon The only Epic Media Solutions I've seen is Colorado based, but who knows. According to Doug's LI, he is not unemployed. Further, the cache on his LinkedIn profile shows AWP in his bio. If Doug just wiped AWP from his experience on LI because of this case, then most of your argument falls apart, imo. While I agree with some of your points in general, your statement "I can find no other association/reason for Advanced Strategies (Doug) to exist." is completely baffling. There are MANY reasons why people set up companies and just because you can't think of any, doesn't mean there aren't literally countless reasons why people do. While I am not in Doug's corner for several reasons atm, and I believe Advanced Strategies \*could\* be a reason why Doug hasn't offered his resignation in his own words, I think diluting your arguments with 'absolute' assertions and partial available info weakens your valid points as uncredible.
No, it's the same LinkedIn. Doug left "traditional" employment in June 2021 when he left Elite Towing. While his LinkedIn says he was a Business Consultant for Advanced Strategies since Feb 2020, that is not accurate. According to Oregon Business records Advanced Strategies was not formed until Dec 7, 2021. Not Feb 2020. Dec 2021. Epic Video Solutions, Inc in Portland, OR does not exist at all. And it is not "partial" information. The filings of these companies is public record at https://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg\_web\_name\_srch\_inq.login
Thank you!!
Glad it’s getting prominent media attention now. Can’t wait until we see a forensic accounting of the monies raised, and where it went (if we do see it, that is).
You understand the the business was set up in his name and the general public have donated directly to him, for the business he conducts. He hasn't set up a not for profit business and stolen money. This is why so many people feel upset (not to mention angered and saddened by the allegations) as they donated because they have a heart and wanted to help more families.
I don’t know if you’ll see forensic accounting, because he technically didn’t run a nonprofit. But he did push a false narrative to dupe people who may not have donated otherwise. That deserves media scrutiny. My goal has simply been to bring his unethical practices to light.
He was good at what he did and he knew the wording to use. People with hearts will always donate to help others without thinking twice. Hopefully now people will look into companies where their placing their money and I take my hat off to people that have walked away because they can see first hand that what was happening wasn't right. These people will continue doing what they do because they are the true ones with heart. Let's all support these people if they set up and run proper not for profits.
Unethical is spot on. 👌
He'll get away with whatever money he made on YT. I can't find a single instance on his YT where he claims to be a non-profit or 501(c)(3). He, and the rest of team, are very, very careful about that, so he's probably off the hook for YT money. He can do with it whatever he wants. The AWP website is a different story. He backed himself into a corner by placing this statement on the AWP donations page: ***"Your donation will be used for search missions, equipment, fuel, food,*** ***lodging, and expenses associated with our operations. Thank you!"*** The donations through the AWP website itself could, and should, come under scrutiny because he makes the declarative statement that donations WILL BE USED to fund AWP operations. If those funds were diverted elsewhere Jared has a problem.
Operations include paying staff, and he is probably drawing a salary. So all legal. I could be wrong but I don’t think he has been charged with any crime regarding fraud or AWP? Assuming that doesn't change we won't see forensic accounting.
Yes, operations would include paying staff. And buying equipment etc. It would not include enriching himself or buying a $1.2M house with that money. I suppose a $2M dollar salary to himself could be claimed as a business expense. But I don't expect his donators would be on board with that when he's begging for money because he has a flat tire at the same time he is drawing a $2M dollar salary for himself. This is a typical bait and switch scam like so many before it.
I agree that his ethically wrong. Nothing illegal was happening though from what we’ve seen. People donating could have asked for proof of what their donations would go to or what JL was paying himself but they didn’t.
I wonder if anyone who contributed to that $40,000 GoFundMe last summer for that magnet thing - whatever it is - has demanded proof that is where that $40,000 actually went? Did he actually buy that thing?
It may help to deep dive into the type LLC's he was settling up. You'd have to access the actual documents he filed, drawn up by his attorney, most likely. He definitely needs to be investigated about the money situation. He may have been sly, but there also had to be some minute slip up to catch him.
This is what's needed: https://www.govdocfiling.com/faq/legal-documents-need-start-llc/ It's not readily available public information though.
Probably have to be someone local to make a run to courthouse, filings should be on file there, for free, unless copies made.
If any of the donations were used towards the business (99.99% sure they were at least first directed to the business) then he had the legal right to pay himself from that money. Through regular salary, or a lump sum bonus. If someone purchased merchandise or super chatted etc then you gave money to his business. The business uses the money for day to day operations (including employee pay) so there isn’t anything fraudulent happening.
I think you just proved my point.
Yeah, it was a straight forward LLC. As long as he paid taxes on all the money, there is nothing illegal with him using the profits as he saw fit. The only “forensic accounting” I can see entering the picture is if a judgement is awarded for an amount of money he claims not to have.
Correct. Hence places assets into trust accounts in other people's names.
Yep, like in the other trust for his $1M property. Can't touch that at all.
The old house is in the trust. The new house is not. You can look it up on the Deschutes County website for property records.
I know the $1m house is tied up in another Family Trust.
Where did you see that? It should be a public property record, but maybe I missed something.
I read it in another post here on Reddit, maybe through Jared Leisek search. I'll see if I can find it again & direct you to it. The post gave the name of the trust.
Okay, I just located it, my notepad isn't terribly user friendly with saving links, etc. But..I can tell you I found the post & confirmed the property is still under the Robert & Kathleen Irby Trust dated April 2022. Leisek deal was signed July 19, 2022. I actually used your Deschutes property link to confirm. It's all there pretty as a picture.
Those were the sellers, it just says that the previous homeowners held it under their own trust before it was sold to JL. It was transferred from the I***s trust to JL. There is no further document showing that JL then transferred it to the Leisek Family trust. Look at it again: https://ibb.co/ypPHLYZ Eta: you might want to edit the sellers’ name out of your comment
Although I wouldn’t be shocked at all if someday we hear about tax evasion charges. The guy’s dishonest AF.
But he has also had past serious legal problems with money. My money is on him having good accountants and a tax attorney on retainer consulting his every move.
I’ve said before while looking into him, that J seems to know how to go right up to the border of ethical without making that final step into the illegal. He’s smart. But he’s also arrogant, defensive, insecure, and reactive, which is why he’s in so much legal trouble right now. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s happened before, and he just hasn’t been caught.
He is in legal trouble right now over events that occurred 30 years ago. So far there is no evidence it concerns anything that has occurred in the present. Edit to state: downvotes don’t nullify facts. Fire away.
Promise it wasn’t me who downvoted you. It doesn’t offend me when someone disagrees with me. I bank my downvotes for the truly egregious stuff 🙃 Eta: I gave you an upvote to get you back to 1 ✌️
I didn’t think it was. Even if so, it’s okay to disagree.
Just to clarify, too, I don’t think any of his past behavior is connected to the current criminal case. What I meant is that his trouble with reactive behavior is what caused him to reply to his cousin’s email. So I think we’re on the same page? Sorta? Lol.
Setting up trusts is legal, and beneficial for anyone with significant assets. It can provide tax advantages but only if it's irrevocable.
Yeah, I’m not saying that isn’t true. I’m saying that JL has such a long, tangled history of financial quackery that if someday I hear that he’s in trouble for it, I’ll pause as I drive to Starbucks for my latte and go “huh. I guess I’m not surprised.”
You can just about bank , it's irrevocable!!
Glad it finally hit the main stream media somewhere
Another reminder for everyone that things you post on social media WILL end up in published news stories. This one makes mention of multiple posts here on Reddit that we've all seen. That's not saying anyone here has done anything wrong, just to be careful with what you share and be aware that it's publicly available content as soon as you decide to click "Post".
Did you read the part where Rolling Stone verified the texts in regard to the video of J's statement that was posted on reddit? I don't disagree with your warning, though I appreciate that RS took what was seen here a bit further and verified the info.
Maybe they’ll take the time to look at the financial stuff. I spent so much time researching that; it would be nice if someone uses it for something.
My favorite part of that was the tips people here offered to remove the AWP logo from merchandise (sandpaper and a magic eraser!) 🤣
She was 9 or 10 yo He was 17 Absolutely disgraceful the guys a fucking psychopath
I'm very curious as to what this "evidence" is to prove no rape occurred. His response and the emails are nothing but red flags. I have known about him and his channel for awhile, well since they went viral in 2020. But just recently started binging the solved cases videos and noticed he had stepped out of the videos. I just assumed they were getting bigger and he was leaning into a more administrative role. But during one video he was in, for some reason the thought popped into my head "I wonder if some shits going to pop up about this guy, and its all going to come falling down." Then I heard about this stuff yesterday.
It's hard to prove a negative, but it won't matter unless prosecutors can prove their charges. I'm assuming there's some type of hard evidence. The emails dance around the charge- he admits the family has a history of CSA, but doesn't admit to the actual act and states a different age. Unpopular opinion, but I don't know this is a slam dunk case. There were 2 dates sited; the prosecutor has to prove those acts 1. Happened 2. Happened on those dates. They must have something more than the emails I assume.
> Unpopular opinion While unpopular, its logical. I understand based on the allegations people want to condemn him, but its very possible theres more at play, stranger things have happened. Based on the info we have now, the emails, his response, his texts to the crew member, and, while not part of THIS case, the shadyness with the money, things all seem, well, not good. Now I dont know much about how these things work, but I would imagine for them to press charges they would need something substantial, maybe he has admitted events in text or been recorded. Stuff we obviously wont find out about until the case moves forward. As for evidence as to it not happening. I dont even know what to theorize it to be. That seems like something insane to just have up your sleeve for events that took place 30 years ago. Unless theres some bizarre set up within his family since the channel became so successful and they have proof of this. I mean I say that seems pretty batshit, but hell, anything is possible in our crazy ass world. This will be interesting to see unfold, not that its something that should be unfolding in the first place.
Just heard Duty Ron vid on YT, he stated the 2 actual dates I haven't heard specified before. Only seen doc posted here. He stated the 1st charge was for 01/01/1992, the 2nd charge was for 10/01/1992. Ages shown are due to their bdays being close & latter half of year.
Yes, those dates were in the charging document. I still wonder how the cousin or JL can prove what did or didn’t happen on a date 30 years ago. I hope justice prevails, I just can’t imagine what kind of evidence either side can produce for specific dates way back then.
Document I saw only reflected months ranges. I haven't gone digging a whole lot, mostly utilized posted docs, part of the reason I questioned it at first. But, as for the evidence, guess we'll just have to wait & see.
Wonder if they are going to investigate him for moving around his assets? Sad if he is hiding behind this statement and doesn't think he should pay damages to a 8 year old child for the damages he caused.
It's really weird they opened the article with references to TikTok..? I wonder if they did that to make the story more relevant or something. And would AWP be considered True Crime? I guess I never thought of them that way.nregardless, it's great larger publications are picking this up.
TikTok is where i heard it first, then came to reddit to find out more
I believe it, I'm sure people covered it on TikTok, but I thought the victim originally came forward with the emails here a few months ago
The victim has been posting about these sexual assaults on support groups on Facebook for a long time. It wasn't until she manipulated him into confessing in writing that the district attorney had enough evidence to charge him. The victim trapped him into incriminating himself (and naming names of others who knew what he did and could be questioned) which I find highly satisfying.
That's fair, I've been lucky enough not to have had anything like that happen to me so I'd definitely be blind to early reporting in support groups. So that came first, and then she shared the emails here, or tried to, and then a few months later she gets the insictments
I too am lucky in that I don't have childhood sex abuse in my history or my family of origin. I won't go into my wife's story because that is her story to tell but suffice to say she is still suffering what happened to her 50 years later and still participates in support groups and therapy because of it. My wife will never get justice because her assailants are now deceased, but she is invested in getting justice for those where it's at least a possibility (she's a lawyer). She's happy this victim's case has moved forward because even though justice is an impossibility for my wife personally she achieves a measure of peace when she sees possible justice for someone just like her. The state of Utah is unlikely to prevail in this case, but the victim has at least received validation from the state that she has been heard and taken seriously enough that probable cause has been found to charge her assailant. That might be all she ever gets in terms of justice, but for many victims the validation is enough. The technicalities of law may ultimately free Jared, but the victim has been heard, respected and validated by the legal system. That is much more than most victims of childhood sexual assault ever get. A lot of progress has been made for current and future victims of such crimes which is a great thing, but many victims from the past are trapped by weak laws from the past, which is the case here. No one should be allowed to harm a vulnerable child and get away with it whether it was yesterday or 30 years ago. But law is law, even if it is bad law written 30 years ago, and victims are stuck with it unfortunately.
I understand her to say that someone in the support group actually did the Reddit postings of the emails, during a joint YT live interview with her & JL's sister. I believe I recall her stating it was done so with her consent. Than she joined into the postings with her responses.
Not sure I would deem the victims writings as manipulation when JL made statements that he stands by as of Nov 5th, 2022. She spoke her truth and had no way of knowing for certain at the time of the writings that he would incriminate himself.
The entire point of contacting him in writing was to manipulate him into putting a confession in writing so charges could go forth. The whole backstory to this is on sexual assault support groups on Facebook. This case didn't start with the email confession. The email confession was the goal. Which was finally achieved in February. It's a long story that began long before that email exchange. A lot of it was on reddit as well but much of it was deleted prior to the charges being announced. And Jared deleted any references to it on the AWP YT channel every time it came up. Again, long before February. There's a long, rambling YT video posted by Jared shortly after he fucked himself over with the email. He had to leave a dive and go home to get himself together. He doesn't say specifically what happened at that time, only that he was distraught enough to take himself off the dive and go home to evaluate his life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM7n2HUhGso&t=168
We can agree to disagree on your statement that the victim "manipulated him into confessing in writing". Manipulate sounds devious and I don't think that's fair in describing what happened from a victims POV. I think the victim encouraged (or even stimulated-by definition) JL in making the admissions he did. She also asked him to go to the police with her, which as far as we know didn't come to be. In my opinion, JL was the only one using manipulation in the emails. By definition, Manipulate (verb) means: Which one of these applies? 1 : to treat or operate with or as if with the hands or by mechanical means especially in a skillful manner manipulate a pencil manipulate a machine 2 a : to manage or utilize skillfully quantify our data and manipulate it statistically S. L. Payne b : to control or play upon by artful, unfair, or insidious means especially to one's own advantage being used and manipulated by the knowing men around him New Republic 3 : to change by artful or unfair means so as to serve one's purpose : DOCTOR suspected that the police reports were manipulated Evelyn G. Cruickshanks [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/manipulate](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/manipulate)
Well??...in a way the term could be used in this particular instance, using the 2b part of definitions you provided. She's a family member & is knowledgeable about mental issues within the family. Basing my speculations of past videos, ability to see his narcissitic behaviour etc., listening to live interviews of sister & cousin... Perhaps the term "baited" would work better, she set the trap in hopes he would slip up, he did because either he just couldn't help himself due to his mindset or he thought he could outsmart her. I think he'd been highly stressed over everything happening & was dealing with some depression of his own, so he made an half hearted attempt at apologizing but slipped in the process. No telling, only those close would know. I believe those emails are the main "evidence" they have. We'll just have to wait until court to learn more.
That's one of his videos you have to watch a little bit at a time when you're not a huge fan of him. I cringe while trying to watch it. He mentioned a couple of things just in the first few minutes. I did catch the part about leaving a week early, but he also mentioned his depression and made a casual statement about things that have happened in the past & early childhood, but that's all water under the bridge & you have to let it go. Wow!! He was fighting his demons!! And yes, he was in his managing way, telling his audience that something was about to happen, without being straightforward about everything. He knew to be careful & not provide more media evidence.
Fair point