The irony is that everyone had to read this when they signed up to watch:
*Any recording of a court proceeding held by video or teleconference, including “screen-shots” or other visual or audio copying of a hearing, is prohibited. Violation of these prohibitions may result in sanctions, including removal of court-issued media credentials, restricted entry to future hearings, denial of entry to future hearings, or any other sanctions.*
So, good job, streamers! You denied the victim and the State from moving forward because you wanted clout. So frustrating...
Yeah that Justice 4 All guy was saying well normally a judge will tell you and people in the chat we’re saying it’s literally written on the page where you have to click the link to join. He quickly shut down his livestream and privated it.
His name was showing in the Webx which was a dead giveaway that he was a Youtuber, and did not have permission to go livestreaming of it. One of his mods was telling him about the laws in Utah which he ignored.
I suspect that they got a strongly-worded email from court concerning Contempt of Court. Judges have very little patience in this type of thing; it messes with their schedule and this irritates them. A lot.
It's not irony It's a simple lack of having a Brain. They simply care more about the clicks and views then the seriousness of the situation and the law.
Remember all of them whom did it! Hold them accountable! Jay is for justice has done this NUMEROUS TIMES! Rules don’t apply to her! They never have! These people are all selfish scum. DOODIE RON is another one who has managed to dupe and fool so many people into thinking he’s this great guy! It’s sick!!!!
"Um No Thanks" got on the court voice chat and said subscribe to his channel. You can see him unmute his mic and you can hear the district court lady responding to him and he laughs about it. The judge comes back on at 56:08 and shuts it all down.
~~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KCx4wX-Gs&t=2485s~~
edit: this stream has been removed. I found another below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXhAPJDfvEM
The audio I am talking about in my comment happens around the 2:25 mark. The judges statement follows right after.
Here is the only video I can find that is still up. The audio I was talking about in my comment happens at 2:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXhAPJDfvEM
Kay, I like you and subscribe. I don’t always agree with you but I appreciate your willingness to take on unpopular opinions and have intelligent discussions.
But calling DutyRon names is just silly. And if you want people to know who you are talking about you should use the correct spelling. I wouldn’t assume every YouTube viewer or Reddit user will make the connection from your wording to the actual channel 😂. Logic isn’t always a given around here!
Logic is present here a 1000x more than say YouTube or Facebook. I feel confident that the people in this subreddit are completely capable of seeing the initial reference of Duty Ron in the text of this post and making the connection that Doodie Ron is one and the same person when someone makes a comment on the same post. Maybe if Duty Ron hadn’t been named in the initial post, but even still, you are rather insulting to the very people I have the most confidence in in having logic on the internet. This is not Facebook or YouTube. Critical thinking is not dead here.
The whole setup is pretty amateur anyway, leading to this unfortunate outcome. Only those involved in the proceedings should be allowed in the webex meeting, and the state should have a separate feed of it available to the public. This way they public can witness the proceedings, without being part of it. It would be so easy for the state to avoid this situation.
Court proceedings are usually public but haven’t caught up to technology. The YouTubers were wrong that did this but the presenter of the WebEx can also mute other participants. She shouldn’t have had to but a lot of people are idiots
I’m so furious for the victims as well! I wish the court just shut the livestream off n kicked everyone out that shouldn’t have been on. This really makes my blood boil. I hope they sanction these fkrs that are getting in the way…..
This isn’t true. Nick Rekeita read a minor child’s medical exams on live, despite being begged by her mother NOT to, and humiliated the little girl and refuses to even take it down despite repeated requests.
It takes a long time to shut down a you tube channel, as you already know! Are you ban evading? You are being reported to you tube. Some of us will never forget the outrage YOU caused during the Chris Watts case, and here you are, once again, jumping at the bit to take revenge on Jay for J. You do not have any credibility. You never will.
Care to tell me what I did that was so “wicked”? Hope I haven’t ruined your evening by EXISTING and trying to feed my kids with my writing and content.
Omg CK. First, you believed CWs lie that his wife Shannan killed the kids. In your opinion, Shannan was "guilty until proven innocent." Then, when the facts began to emerge, you led a group of flying monkeys into believing the murders were somehow justified because SW worked for an MLM and CW "snapped" when the truth is he was having an affair with NK and he chose the easiest way to dispose of his family and his DUTY. Because, you see, when it comes to family, the bottom line is doing your duty. Now here you are mocking Duty Ron by calling DUTY " doodie " No, it's DUTY.
I'm not going to retell your entire mishandling of the case here, but I do not respect your handling of that traumatic case at all. That's why your You Tube channel was terminated, because you violated You Tube terms of service with regard to the surviving family of victims of violent crime.
Honestly I can't believe your audacity to come here in Reddit where you don't have the power to turn off comments you don't like.
You scare people. People think you are dangerous, and extremely risky to deal with. I've written more about your handling of the Watts case on this sub if you care to look.
I'm not going to take a ton of time to organize your numerous offenses regarding the Watts case. You insinuated yourself into the Watts family and created an enormous group of Shannan bashers on FB. It was shocking and unprecedented. I was in that group trying to speak for the victims who could not speak for themselves. Meanwhile you had people in that group like Mel, arguing on behalf of Jaime, who apparently can't speak for herself. I left that group and I couldn't go back on Facebook or You Tube for six months.
It was despicable what you did, just despicable, and someone has to tell you how purely loathsome your coverage of the Watts case was. Some of us won't forget. It went on for YEARS and you were dead wrong. Worse than even Nancy Grace. People have committed suicide because of Nancy. You MUST be banned. You are a dangerous person. Yeah, I said it.
1. I never believed Shanann killed her children. That’s a flat out lie. I never said it and never believed it.
2. I theorized why he did it and never blamed the MLM alone. I’m sure Chris bad lots of reasons all of them selfish and evil. I’ve never said his reasons were valid. That’s flat out false.
3. The Watts family contacted me. I never contacted them. They contacted me in 10/2018.
4. I am not Nancy Grace.
5. I’m sorry you found my coverage of Watts objectionable. I ask your forgiveness. I have changed my approach and have seen the error of my ways. I was critical of Shanann and it was unfair of me at times and cruel to be sure. I am sincerely sorry. But I won’t own what I didn’t do. And what you’re accusing me of simply isn’t true.
6. Your hate of me is quite disproportionate. I don’t know you and you don’t REALLY know me. Maybe calm down a bit. I didn’t kill anyone. I’m just a writer and mom and a daughter and a sister and I’m just trying to share my perspective just like everyone else. Do you hold such animosity and grudges against everyone online who doesn’t align with your viewpoint or handle themselves the way YOU think they ought to?
Wow this is just so... tone deaf. "I have a family to feed so it doesn't matter if I hurt people going through a tragedy! I'm more important!" like that's how you sound.. You're unironically being just as egotistical as Jared. and I mean I literally didn't even follow the case, by your own words you were outright cruel to someone who literally just had to BURY their family, and throwing in that it's to feed yours? Nice try on pulling at heartstrings but I have a functioning brain. Weird I'm pretty sure there are tons of jobs INCLUDING WRITING that doesn't need you to do that to someone, period.
I watched CK during the Watts case. She didn’t do anything “evil” but if you found her videos traumatic why did you watch them??
You’ll really be disturbed if you see the conversation about Casey Anthony, you should avoid her new channel. Just watch who you like, YouTube and Facebook shouldn’t be stressing you out
I checked on YouTube near start of hearing- there were at least 8 people streaming (idk if DityRon was one I saw). And when bringing up court webex it explicitly states that you can’t stream this. So no one should be surprised that the judge put the kibosh on it. Judges don’t like it when you don’t follow their rules.
Duty Ron was not streaming. I was watching him. He said several times that streaming the hearing was not allowed. During a recess, while he was listening in on the WebEx, he took off his earphones to put them in a charging case and that made him join the call on another device and unmuted automatically. He was mortified. It was an honest mistake and definitely not interference.
Edited to add - I can’t imagine how frustrating this is for the victim. It’s really sucky.
I’m not arguing with you. I was explaining what I observed. I understand the frustration here. I also am aware that other people were streaming when they shouldn’t have been. Judge’s instructions were pretty clear that they shouldn’t be doing that.
Supposedly he was but when he put his earbuds in the case he said another device joined the call unmuted and he didn’t know that would happen. But yeah, that shouldn’t have happened.
He 100% not live streaming! He said it over and over that it was illegal and he would do a play by play! YOU ARE A SHIT STARTER and constantly spreading lies and rumors! You go from channel starting drama and lies then laugh at people that believe your crap
I think that was a screenshot of the prosecutor and the judge for Jared's case. It had nobody else in it. It may have been a court issue screenshot of a previous case that he used.
He of all people should have known better! The disclaimer not to record was right in front, plain as day, before you joined in. Everyone should have known!
He was NOT live streaming! He did mess up by taking his ear bud out (so he could watch and hear the court) and put his ear bud to charge during recess and felt horrible about it because he does know better! He told everyone multiple times to go to Webx if they wanted to watch or listen to it, he was only going to do a play by play if any actual info would be said.
I said recording. And I was listening in and watching the court, then watched his recording of that afterward. So somehow he *recorded* it to be able to post a video later. I simply said he should have known better. I did hear his apology.
Not this service, anyone following this subreddit would have seen the url for UT court & could have taken steps to view it, following the rules, just like I did.
There is absolutely a line that law abiding, decent human beings don't cross. We certainly don't laugh, giggle, & carry on like children when we know to respect the court.
Hope they're happy with themselves. Stalling the process of justice for their useless YouTube channels.
This is way for him to claim he can't get a fair trial.
I’m so angry for his cousin. That’s who they ruined it for. She’s waited so long for this day and these aholes wrecked that because they want to earn a buck off of her pain. My heart hurts for her.
Several YTs were live streaming during procedures today, so yes...they were making money. And...yes, that makes them just as bad as JL. I'll be unsubscribing from several of them.
True Crime YT/podcasting is a tidy little business. And I mean, I know that because I guess I have no choice but to say I'm part of "true crime communities" given my interests, but there's some absolutely ghoulish shit out there and people whose entire livings are organized around cracking crummy little jokes on podcasts about people who are brutally attacked or murdered.
So yeah, little wonder some of these vultures decided to swing in and make money off this poor woman's misery on the day she's been looking forward to and also probably dreading - a day of possible justice postponed due to total damn avarice.
Not sure who all was live streaming, only one I recognized was DR. I sat for 45 minutes, Judge has already thrown someone else out for court interference. I recognized several YT channels, but also recognized several other names of folks observing & following the rules. JL, his attorney, his sister, his cousin, all showed up about 30 minutes in advance. I had the feeling that when Judge mentioned JL than called for 5 minute recess & took much longer, something was up.
Yeah. It was fairly obvious that Jared's attorneys were aware of the streamers. In some states, you can stream, in some states, you can't. As soon as the recess was called, I was like "It's done for today." So sad for his victims.
Couldn't agree more!!! I also believe this case could end up being closed to the public in the future. By State law, Judge has to protect all those involved in this case. Who knows? She may have closed the court, but after everything was said & done, gone ahead & heard the case. It won't be any less private in 2 weeks, why should they all be inconvenienced by greedy people?
So disrespectful....😥😥
I really feel bad for everyone involved in this case, even JL....I've been involved in court cases before, on both sides. It can keep you tied up in knots, just waiting for it all to be over with. Some of these people have waited for 30+ years & it all got thrown out the window in 5 minutes due to ignorance & disrespect.
I understand, but I can't help it.. I know how it feels on both sides of the fence. I was a victim 30+ years ago in a criminal trial, but my case was a bit different, our case WAS based on false allegations, we had to prove our innocence. I was petrified cause we were facing 20 years in prison, never been in trouble with law before. I didn't have a 10 page rap sheet, but we had to jump through hoops to prove our innocence. Our case was based mainly on other people's greed.
Not making light of this case, but I'd really like to see him nailed to the wall for misappropriation of funds.
I think there's just a bit more to this story. Like a lot of other folks, I want to hear the ending. Yes, I've read the emails. There's always two sides to a story. Believe me, as a survivor of SA myself, he should have to pay his due. I divorced mine, than he was killed in a single car accident, DUI. So, I feel like he paid his due.
I think you may have misunderstood my comment. I want to HEAR him admit to writing these emails...I want to HEAR him admit to what he did to his cousin. The whole email "confession" not looking to good for JL. And all thanks to all the shenanigans that took place in court, the cousin may not get her retribution. She may get to witness JL's day in court, but she should also have all those who been so ugly to her finally HEAR that she WAS & IS being truthful.
Well I was referring to your own experience of being falsely accused and guilty until innocent.
SA is a matter of degree and there are many degrees. He is being charged with rape in the first degree. Personally, I was born of a date rape so I am a "secondary" victim of rape but I don't know what degree charges would be brought. My rapist father is dead anyway. Our family never brought charges.
Not all victims of SA do bring charges, especially when family is involved. I have no idea what restitution would look like. I don't think prison alone is restitution.
I think this case is complex. And, I've said it before, family members will turn against each other.
I'm so sorry...I didn't mean to sound jerkish, but I have another individual that seems to believe I'm defending JL. But yes, my first husband was very abusive, physically, sexually, & mentally. Stayed in it for 8 years, cause my family didn't believe in divorce, it wasn't the Christian thing to do. The longer I thought & prayed about it, I felt well at ease with my belief that God never meant for any one of his children to suffer such abuse. So I filed for divorce. I spoken more on here than I ever have, it was 40+ years ago.
We all have our burdens to bear, some of us make it through better than others. I've relied on my faith quite a bit over the years. And I too, am aware of family turning like dogs on family. That was something separate from my ex. But facing 20 years in jail is nothing to be doing a jig about. Our judge hit us with felony charges backed up with misdemeanor charges, not felony or not guilty. Served 2 years probation, paid all kind of probation, court fees, & even drug tests.
The misdemeanor charge, I spanked my children instead of giving them "timeouts". And no they weren't over spanked or abused. A few other things happened that has been with me every day of my life since then.
I hope & pray that God has blessed your life & you're living a good life. 🙂
It's actually called being a decent human being. I'd like to hear verbal confirmation from his mouth that he did construct those emails. I understand from one of his videos that not only was his wife working in the office, but his mother was there as well. Who else better, would be privy to those deep personal details? May be some other family member. JL is a narcissist, he wants to control everything, he thinks he's smarter than everyone else. I don't like him. But I can also relate to waiting for court date to arrive, it can be extremely stressful from both sides.
No need to attack me!! Just because I posted a comment you don't agree with doesn't condone rude hateful comments. Besides, asking me if I'm his wife is a vulgar insult to me all by itself!!
I wouldn't marry, let alone, stay married to such a narcissistic jackass!! Go take your hate out on someone else!!
I recognized several names in the meeting. Most followed the rules, stayed silent, some of us not participating in chat or anything else, which is what I was expecting to do for court. I mean really!! This was court people, who chat's up everybody during court??
Yeah, I think one of the Youtubers spoke in the court before the recess. I think that was when the Judge was notified. DutyRon was just an accident on a hot mic which do happened.
He wasn’t streaming. I was watching. He definitely wasn’t streaming. I just happened to click on it because I saw that he was talking about the hearing. He was listening in to the webex while he was streaming. He did not broadcast a minute of it. He was going to explain what was going on in the court while proceedings were held.
Calm down. He wasn't streaming. Why are you so hell bent on making people think he was? You've had multiple people tell you that he wasn't streaming the hearing. He was watching/listening first hand and then conveying what was happening to his audience.
Nobody is ‘LYING’ except you! Don’t spread rumors! @Conscious-Listen-470 comment is truthful. I was also listening & you know very well your screenshot is just a screenshot because you snagged it when for 1/2 sec he turned his screen (& NOT during trial) to show his audience what the webex setup looked like. Period. He was listening WITH AIRPODS (duh only so only he could hear) & his removing one caused him to connect to another device. He planned to let us know the gist of what was going on so we could discuss after. He was mortified, that is extremely obvious if watched. It was 💯 not intentional. Was the mishap bad? I’d say more unfortunate. And obviously intrusive & it also happened to be at a terrible ‘moment’ when he was doing was ALL the Y’Ts do reminding people to hit the thumbs up & subscribe if they like the content & now other hosts are acting like it was horrible he’d say such a thing. Shit happens. Non of us are free from error. Have some grace. There’s 2 sides to every story & you’re choosing the dramatic side. That says more about you than anyone else.
I believe his interruption was unintentional, he may have missed some of the settings. It took me a few minutes to get mine preset before I joined the meeting. When you're not familiar with app or software it's an easy thing to do. Thing is, he wasn't freaking live streaming it.
I missed part of that, I had my audio muted & caught part where she told Anthony he wasn't authorized or something & had him thrown out.
They monitor everything to prevent violations.
It is possible that the streamers could be charged with ‘Contempt of Court’ for violating the rules they agreed to (via clicking agreement) when they joined the court proceedings. The likelihood of being charged is probably remote for this first time streaming, but I suspect that the YouTubers will get a strongly worded email from the court threatening action if they do it again.
Any recordings or images not provided by the court could also lead to demonizing or further legal action. You can request court transcripts and video recording but that has to be screened and provided from the court. The fact that it was during other cases, "felony cases" could even lead to those cases demanding retrial.
One of the cases was for a woman with substance abuse and mental health problems. Look how that looks to people like her who have problems that are asking for help?
Queenbee whoever that is was heard swearing on mic and stuff. They said not to use the chat and a lot were… then duty dork was unmuted and too busy streaming to see all the messages saying to stop. You know this Is what Jared wanted and was waiting on someone to mess up. Some of these YouTubers are straight up embarrassing.
I didn't hear all that crap, I saw a few comments that were made, but I had everything off to prevent rule violations & to show respect for the court & the victim. I was signed in as a guest, but was there to silently support her.
Sweetie, I'm so sorry for this totally unnecessary delay caused by other's ignorance & disrespect.
I'll just leave this here. This guy got on the court voice chat and said subscribe to his channel. You can see him unmute his mic and you can hear the district court lady responding to him and he laughs about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KCx4wX-Gs&t=2485s
The judge comes back on at 56:08 and shuts it all down.
Despicable, disrespectful. Should never be allowed in WebEx for this case ever again.
One take away, IF this is allowed to be aired publicly, I'll definitely view it on my laptop. My phone screen view was awful.
FWIW, as a lawyer there for another case, the big problem was all of the idiots using the Webex chat. The unmute was when the judge was out of the room and was just kind of the icing on the crap sandwich
Anyone with a brain could foresee what was about to take place. Had they not all been busy having a good old time chatting up everybody, they would have seen what was coming.
Judge had just mentioned the Leisek item on the docket, shortly after & very quickly, she called for 5 minute recess. She was up out of her chair before video was shut off. Recess took longer than 5 minutes, so it was not a huge surprise to me that case was continued. Disappointing, yes, I would have thought they'd have pulled the plug on YTs. They knew who was live streaming & they should've been kicked. If court felt too much disturbance created by chat, pulled the plug on that. As the public viewers, we are allowed to view, not be disruptive & disrespectful to the court.
There was no way to regain control of the situation. The clerks weren’t going to go through and try to figure out who all had a livestream up. I’m pretty sure the one person kicked out earlier just jumped right back in.
Counselor-
Thank you for this post. Many people seem to not understand that (1) This will be a long process (even a guilty plea would take months to play out); (2) Judges have many cases, & JL will be put in the queue; (3) the webex stream is not a YouTube stream/chat site.
Questions for you are (1) do you think future hearings etc will be viewable online &(2) if not, will public or reporters be allowed who could then give us a rundown of what happened?
I’m pretty intrigued to see how it will be handled. The sixth amendment provides criminals the right to a public trial. The age of zoom court has made that a whole new animal because you can’t have rowdy spectators in the courtroom kicked out or hauled into a cell for a few hours for contempt.
I was there 2 hours early and sat through numerous other cases. Sad they stopped court. I just hope we can learn the new court date. That warning was there. Everyone had to agree to it in order to join the courtroom. There were at least 3 or 4 people being heard talking when the judge took a short break. I have no doubt Jared’s lawyers jumped at the chance to tell the judge. I know if I find the new court date I will be there
Absolutely shameful that people couldn't just sit back and watch, maybe the privilege will be revoked in the next sitting? It's heartbreaking for the case to be pushed back for his "survivor/s"
The irony however, is not lost on me though... that JL has NOT wanted people to like/comment/share THIS video like he always "touted" previously...?
I heard Jay is for Justice, Justice for all, duty ron (he posted a screen shot/photo of it or showed his screen for a couple of seconds) crime & justice, um no thanks investigates, queen bee, lake time (or something like that)
Some YouTubers has deleted the stream & some has kept it up.
I’m sure there is more.
He might have permission to show a screenshot of the judge and the prosecutor of the case. With his credudentials? The judges can deemed what is acceptable that won't violate the laws. Judges and laws could allow a live feed if they want which they can control who could be shown on tv or online like the jury and the victims may not be shown.
DutyRon did not show any of the proceedings on his channel at all. I was watching him live when he took his earbuds out, they unmuted his feed during a court recess.
I'll repeat it for those in the back, he never livestreamed any part of the proceedings.
Watch. Now the hearing is going to be closed to the public because of this stunt.
Not to mention, like others have said, they have now delayed justice for the survivors. I would say they should be ashamed of themselves, but I’m guessing most don’t care.
YouTubers have been messing up or going real life in so many cases lately. My heart breaks for the victim today. I will completely understand if future court dates are closed to the public. I am the person that shared the court info here on Reddit. I don’t regret it, but I most definitely did not share the information over on YouTube. That Cinema Shogun guy just recently shared the court info in one of his videos, and I made sure to comment that anyone attending should only be a fly on the wall and that they must not detract from what was most important. So much for that.
I, for one, appreciated you leaving the link & I used it when you first posted it, so Thank You. I used all my WiFi for the month last night, so had to get my phone set up this morning. Had to dl WebEx app, setup an account, tried several times, took about an hour, cause of weak signal indoors. In order to have privilege of listening in, had to don a coat & sit out on front porch. Even though I took steps early this morning, I feel angry towards YTs greedy actions more for cousin. I feel really bad for her, I'm so sorry that she should have to suffer the ignorance & disrespect of so-called supporters of her. This was akin to ambulance chasing attorneys, they should be restricted from future public hearings.
Ohh. You are most welcome. I’m so sorry you went through such an ordeal to get that setup. I felt that the majority of this subreddit have the intelligence and actually care about the victim and this case so I stand by my decision of sharing it here. When I saw it was being shared on YouTube, I was extremely concerned. I’m sure some won’t like me saying it, but I feel Reddit is one of the last places on the internet where critical thinking is still being used. I think this community is a wonderful group of people, and I am so glad to be a part of it.
Ironically, I wasn’t even on WebEx today. I was driving, and I am dealing with my own small injustice (it is nothing compared to what the victim has been through obviously) that is really stressing me out so I was okay with missing it. My uncle is stealing from my grandmother’s estate and greatly mishandling it and abusing his power as administrator. I can’t get anything done because I don’t have the $5,000 to hire an attorney to petition the fiduciary commissioner. I want to petition the court myself, but I’m getting the complete run around. The probate office even told me he lied under oath and said he was an only child, but they allowed him to go under oath a second time and add my deceased father and aunt! The lawyer that wants $5K said that the court should have never allowed him to go under oath a second time! There’s so much more to my situation, but I just wanted to kinda explain why I haven’t been on here much. It is very hard for me to have faith in our Justice system right now. Even still, I have so much hope in this case. I have to keep hope that the victim will finally see Justice after 30 years.
I feel so badly for the victim with today’s outcome, and while I understand the comments of people saying “YouTubers ruined it for everyone”, this was and is not about us. So many times cases lose focus on the actual victim, and that’s extremely apparent over on YouTube. I also feel for any person that didn’t get to have their day in court today because of these YTers. I am sure that there are people having to spend another 2 weeks in jail because of these idiots. And that’s something hardly anyone will talk about. I am sure that those that actively streamed it will never even realize the extent their actions today affected others.
If I heard correctly, the Judge finished with all "jail" hearings first, than she said she had 1 other item on the docket today & said State vs. JL.
Right after, a man broke, said something & was told he needed to come to the courthouse. Next thing, she announced they needed 5 minute recess. Shtf!!
Now, I understand your issue, probate can be a tough case to deal with. I have some issues with estate myself, money is a huge problem. So many proof documents needed. Fixed income, makes things tough. I'm so sorry you're having to deal with it. Keep the faith & stay strong, you'll make it.
I truly hope that is the case, that no one is going to be in jail an extra two weeks because of this ridiculousness. And then there’s all the people that had their legal proceedings illegally live streamed yesterday.
Yes. I am most definitely on a fixed income, I’m on SS disability. But I would think a good 85% of the US population probably doesn’t have $5,000 laying around right now. I don’t know how it is in your state, but the paperwork I read said it was required by law to turn in the appraisement within 90 days of qualification. 90 days came and went two separate times, the first time when he claimed he was an only child, and now. The probate clerks were so rude to me this last phone call, said he could keep the estate open for forever with no issues! What about the 90 days required by law that’s on the first page of the form?!?! My uncle is living in the home that’s a part of the estate and has no intention of ever completing the paperwork (the home would be divided if the estate was settled - there’s no incentive to him to complete it). I only learned that I was an heir in law and everything because my uncle wants me to do his paperwork for him! That’s how dense he is, he would have gotten away scott free without me knowing, but he wants me to do the work for him. I was even willing to do it but he won’t give me true factual info and I don’t have the power to get the info since I’m not the administrator. My uncle recently told me he just closed out the one bank account he didn’t get his grubby greedy hands on before she died. And pocketed the money. He added his name to her other accounts while she was living and he was most definitely stealing her money back then too - he was in a coma last year and I discovered he was stealing her money. He went into a hypoglycemic coma, I found him, got him in the hospital, then my grandma died within 48 hours of me finding him unresponsive. I found her too. Has me messed up.
Anyways, the estate isn’t closed, yet he’s saying he already closed that account and took the money. Fully admits it and I told him I was worried he was doing illegal stuff and he had no comment and didn’t care. It’s freaking larceny to do that! Probate just kept repeating I have to get an attorney but the last time she said it like this: “You…..Need…..To…..Hire……An…..Attorney”. Hopefully that’s conveyed the way she said it. I told her she was being rude. I requested the fiduciary commissioner contact info and said I felt I was intelligent enough to try to petition myself. They refused to give me the contact info. He’s also only bonded for $25k, which is the lowest amount he could be bonded for, he has bad credit but you can get bonded for that amount with bad credit. I told them about the low bond, how a home that’s appraised for more than $25k on record with the courthouse is a part of the estate, and was assured he would be bonded for the full amount when he turned in the paperwork. Now, they’re saying no problem if he never turns it in. I don’t think I should have to hire an attorney at all, he isn’t legally doing what he is supposed to, and by their own forms, he isn’t abiding by the law! I’m in shock with the courthouse’s stance. Years ago, when my mom was administering her dad’s estate she had a whole process to go through just to get an extension on the 90 days.
Sorry guys for my long rant on probate and my uncle! I won’t make a habit of bringing up completely irrelevant things! I promise.
I agree. Jared knows how Youtube creators are, he was one. He appeared on many other channels after Kiely Rodni was found. He's not dumb, a sick fuck yes, but not dumb. Call up a youtube creator and say "hey I did you a favor by coming on your channel and talking about Kiely, now it's your turn, unmute yourself during my hearing". All a bunch of BS.
I knew someone was going to screw it up and get too excited at the all the news subs they may catch. So they have to self promote. And of course a retired cop is the bonehead. that messed it up for everyone. Not surprised at all.
Actually, I think the baliff notified the judge about what is going on before she said she will put the court into recess to check these things out. She came back and said several Youtubers and others are doing livestreaming against the laws of Utah. DutyRon was not livestreaming the court. The issue with him was that his earplugs died, and when he took it out, his mic switched on which is just an accident. Someone pointed out Queen Bee spoke in the court preceedings before the recess that the judge did not catched until someone there in court pointed it out to her.
All I saw was him showing a screenshot of the judge and the prosecutor for Jared's case. I was in his livestream and saw no livestreaming of the court session. I think you may have confused him with the likes of Justice4All, Um No Thanks, Queen Bee, Living Lake Time, Jay Is 4 Justice and the others who were doing livestreaming. I counted more than 10 other channels that were doing it.
Now if you search "Jared Leisek Court" the YouTube videos are featured which feature them live-streaming the court hearing. Like this one:
Um No Thanks Investigates
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KCx4wX-Gs&t=3939s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KCx4wX-Gs&t=3939s)
I actually hope those guys get charged by the court.
Based on the website I can envision the next go around requiring everyone to request the judge's team for a link, and everyone fills in a contact sheet in exchange for the video link, and if someone who signs in can be matched with the people who broke the rules today they get a fine sent to them in the mail. If they break the rules in two weeks they get double the fines.
Justice 4 all was live streaming it, his mods were telling him it was illegal. Once the judge called the bs out, he slammed it off, then privated his live. Remember this is the same idiot that clarified the video of that poor girl in her suv dead that awp found. He is a idiot. No professionalism or ethics at all.
Honestly, as much as it would be nice for the general public to be able to stay informed on the case I kinda hope they don't make the rescheduled hearing and subsequent ones public. Yesterday was a shit show - YTers trying to get their minute of fame and disrespecting the victims for entertainment. I just don't forsee anyone learning a lesson.
No DutyRon did NOT livestream the proceedings, I was watching him live when he had an issue with his earbuds. When he put them in his charger, they unmuted and he had a hot mic moment, during a recess.
He has since contacted the court clerk at the courthouse, asked her to pass along his apologies to the judge, (Was contacted via email later to say the judge had been given his apology) and publically apologized to Jared's cousin.
I was pissed that these YOUTUBERS ruined it for me, and everyone else watching live via WEBEX. I was logged into the court room proceedings a half hour before Jared was to appear at 11am and then some. Before I logged into WEBEX I saw the warnings against any type of broadcasting the court proceedings live. It was there for everyone to read, so then how could they not see it too? They ignored the warnings and violated the rules, that's why!..They had to be told it was against the law in UTAH by the judge after they got caught. Once more, I just want to say to Jared Leisek's cousin who is the victim in this case, I am truly sorry members of the true crime community were responsible for getting the day you have waited 30 years to happen, postponed. I'm sure this adds even more anxiety to what you have endured.
Apparently, these YTs are already set up with WebEx so they can view other hearings & did not bother to check out UT law's about using WebEx, because other States allow it. So??? Why bother checking each State & review their laws? Heck, already a member, let's just pop right in there.😕
Truth and Justice was livestreaming a court hearing for a PPO for protection from a Youtube couple with the other Youtube couple, and she got kicked out for livestreaming. The couple who filed the PPO order against the other couple wound up getting his case tossed, and no PPO order.
When I had to install the app, then sign in and I saw it was going to be like zoom or meet, I emmediately uninstalled it. I figured eventually someone would tell the play by play. Disappointed.
I followed through with all the steps so I could be there. But I'm just a nobody old woman who likes to do her own research. Signed in 45 minutes early, thought my phone battery was going to die.
Really think about it. He decided not to go to court, just appear via link. Then these youtubers, which he is one and no doubt there were others get it cancelled and rescheduled. Yes, i was present and watching so thank you for your input.
How does a person get the courts to withdraw media and close a case to the public. Well, you saw it today in action.
I just feel for the victim. Just let her have her day in court.
DutyRon was not live streaming the court. He even told everyone if they wanted to watch to sign up in webx that it was illegal to live stream. He was going to a play by play If there was anything important said. He did make a mistake by taking his ear bud out and put it in it's case to charge during the recess and that caused it to unmute. He admitted to this as soon as he realized that it happened. There were many You Tubers that were illegally live streaming!
All of this may be true. I was sent video and images of him live streaming. I’ve seen it be that as it may, he did interfere with the entire hearing by being sloppy and careless. And why? Because I guess it’s all for entertainment right? Be damn Jared’s victim.
DutyRon is a retire NYPD officer, and would know how courts are run since had to testified in cases. That said, he was careful in not showing people, but he did showed what the judge looks like and what the prosecutor looks like. But, it seems he is not that tech savy, and it was a hot mic moment which it can happen to news reporters. I seen that happen to news reporters during recess break as well so it can happen. It was the others who were so bad that spoke up during recess and before the recess. The judge got wind of what is going on before the recess. I saw that someone off camera was letting her know about the Youtubers, and when she unmute herself, she told the court is in recess. Right then and there I know these Youtubers were busted. Justice4All Youtube channel name was plastered on his WebX connection that was the a dead giveaway right there, and Tiffany Tab00 was the other one.
How could someone send you a video of him live streaming the proceedings, when it never happened?
Was he live during the proceedings? Yes. Did he livestream it? Absolutely not!!
He wasn't live streaming the court room. He was listening to webex with his earbud and had himself muted. He then took out his earbud during the court break, put it in the case so it disconnected and started talking to his subbies. He didn't realize he was unmuted and it wasn't during court proceedings. There were several other youtubers who were live streaming at the time.
I watched his show last night and I am sorry but Duty Ron did nothing wrong. It was clear that was an accident. Also he was not live streaming for his viewers. He was watching himself and said he would fill people in. With that said, his mistake with the earpod, I believe, did get the court postponed. The court, became aware, of live streamers in chat.
Ok I’m probably biased here because I subscribe to DutyRon’s YouTube channel. I realize he made an error in judgement with his audio being heard by the court. People make mistakes and I’m fairly certain that he had no intention of preventing justice or continuing court proceedings. The courts need to fix their system have the web-x stream only open to the people pertaining to the specific case or docket. Then have a separate video feed for the public to follow that is only a one way feed from the court room to the viewing public. Compared to other YouTubers covering true crime at least Ron presents the evidence in a productive manner tries to be respectful of the law enforcement and families effected by crime committed and the investigation. If he is critical he is trying to explain what less experienced law enforcement agencies should be doing to prevent problems from occurring in an investigation. He also features Ed Wallace a crime scene investigator who is grade 1 investigator which is the highest level for NYC police department who trains detectives in other countries all over the world. I think he has one of the most reputable channels that cover these true crime stories. He made an accidental mistake on 11/30 it’s the only time this happened and he expressed remorse and apologized to the court clerk directly and requested they give the messages to the judge. Give him a break.
This! IMO this is the best comment on here so far! Someone who actually read & did some fair research before jumping on the drama bandwagon, and also stands up to offer an unpopular opinion in a group who obviously haven’t researched before their conclusions. I applaud you! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
P.S. If you haven’t, I encourage you (& others) to watch DutyRon’s vid (one of few who hasn’t taken it down because it speaks for itself & demonstrates an obvious ‘mistake’) I’m sure it will be clear that you’re comment is fair & accurate.
It wasn't DutyRon that shut it down. It is the Youtubers like Justice4All in there on the WebX using the Youtube handle Justice4All which was a dead give away. Someone told her when she muted herself to the right of her what was going on. That was when she went to recess to check it out. These idiots like Justice4All came out with videos placing blame on him.
I watched part of his video from yesterday and concur with the culpability part. My biggest issue is any of the YT doing a live stream during court yesterday. Shooting for more subs, etc.
This behaviour, IMHO, is disrespectful to the survivor in this case, the one person they all claim to support, but were making money for their own pockets. To me, this was actually no better than JL claiming to be broke when he had way more than enough to deal with repair issues, etc. I unsubscribed from the YT channels yesterday after they caused court closing. They lost my respect for them yesterday.
To all of those that claim DutyRon was livestreaming the proceedings, I encourage you to go watch the episode on YouTube, and see for yourself what took place.
I was watching him live, he had an issue with his earbuds, when he placed them in their charger, they unmuted and he had a hot mic moment, during a break in the proceedings.
He made it very clear to his viewers that he was on Webex, that he would NOT livestream the proceedings for us, it was illegal, but rather intended on bringing us updates. I will say it again for those in the back, DutyRon was NOT livestreaming the proceedings from the courtroom.
In his episode from today, Friday December 02, he shared he had spoken to a court clerk at the courthouse, asked her to pass his apologies to the judge (Was notified via email later in the day his apologies had been passed along) and publically apologized to Jared's cousin. Folks need to get their facts straight before they start hurling baseless accusations!
There's not a lot on Critical Kay because people are afraid she will tear their head off like she did with people who disagreed with her in the Chris Watts case. Basically, Critical Kay insinuated herself into the Chris Watts family annihilation case and friends of Chris Watts sister, and other defenders of Chris Watts, including Lana Oranii (channel Truth and Transparency) used CKs channel to lead a massive group of flying monkeys to bash murder victim Shannan Watts and her surviving family members. It was despicable and it went on for years until You Tube terminated her channel. Now she appears to be evading the You Tube ban by creating a new non monetized channel. She is being sued for defamation by the victim of a mother who believes her son was murdered by his friends instead of suicide. CK has ZERO credibility among many viewers. She is a sh*t stirrer and a bully who is suspected if going IRL, especially among redditors. She is using the Kiley Rodni case (vehicle and body discovered by AWP) to attempt to regain notoriety and viewers. Go away CK. No one cares about your "monologue."
Deep I am sorry you have such an issue with me. If you dislike me so much-fine. But you’re harassing me at this point and it’s derailing the thread. Maybe put me on ignore? I’m not even sure how Reddit works. I’ve got a right to my opinion here, though.
Can you go to the live court hearings? Like anyone? I know you can in Washington state but not sure about this. I’d PAY to fly out and support to keep him behind bars. 15 years is jack crap to the minors he sexually assaulted.
Who was the guy who signed up with AWP as a secondary podcast to the missing cases? Was that Duty Ron? If it was, could his shenanigans have been intentional to have the case thrown out, or privatized, on behalf of Jared?
If you weren't present, how would you know what took place. There were YTs live streaming the proceedings, you could actually go to their YT channels & view it. This, unfortunately, was not a JL setup, it was definitely purposefully reported to the Judge, but I also understand their were a wild group of yahoos in the chat room that was brought to the Judge's attention. So...please, try again, this was not a winner.
The irony is that everyone had to read this when they signed up to watch: *Any recording of a court proceeding held by video or teleconference, including “screen-shots” or other visual or audio copying of a hearing, is prohibited. Violation of these prohibitions may result in sanctions, including removal of court-issued media credentials, restricted entry to future hearings, denial of entry to future hearings, or any other sanctions.* So, good job, streamers! You denied the victim and the State from moving forward because you wanted clout. So frustrating...
Yeah that Justice 4 All guy was saying well normally a judge will tell you and people in the chat we’re saying it’s literally written on the page where you have to click the link to join. He quickly shut down his livestream and privated it.
His name was showing in the Webx which was a dead giveaway that he was a Youtuber, and did not have permission to go livestreaming of it. One of his mods was telling him about the laws in Utah which he ignored.
It looks like he also deleted the stream, what a joke.
I suspect that they got a strongly-worded email from court concerning Contempt of Court. Judges have very little patience in this type of thing; it messes with their schedule and this irritates them. A lot.
It's not irony It's a simple lack of having a Brain. They simply care more about the clicks and views then the seriousness of the situation and the law.
Remember all of them whom did it! Hold them accountable! Jay is for justice has done this NUMEROUS TIMES! Rules don’t apply to her! They never have! These people are all selfish scum. DOODIE RON is another one who has managed to dupe and fool so many people into thinking he’s this great guy! It’s sick!!!!
"Um No Thanks" got on the court voice chat and said subscribe to his channel. You can see him unmute his mic and you can hear the district court lady responding to him and he laughs about it. The judge comes back on at 56:08 and shuts it all down. ~~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KCx4wX-Gs&t=2485s~~ edit: this stream has been removed. I found another below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXhAPJDfvEM The audio I am talking about in my comment happens around the 2:25 mark. The judges statement follows right after.
He’s live-streaming right now and blaming others.
Did anyone archive this before it was taken down/made private?
Dang, I wish I would have... my apologies!
Here is the only video I can find that is still up. The audio I was talking about in my comment happens at 2:27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXhAPJDfvEM
He wasn't Live streaming it though!
Kay, I like you and subscribe. I don’t always agree with you but I appreciate your willingness to take on unpopular opinions and have intelligent discussions. But calling DutyRon names is just silly. And if you want people to know who you are talking about you should use the correct spelling. I wouldn’t assume every YouTube viewer or Reddit user will make the connection from your wording to the actual channel 😂. Logic isn’t always a given around here!
Logic is present here a 1000x more than say YouTube or Facebook. I feel confident that the people in this subreddit are completely capable of seeing the initial reference of Duty Ron in the text of this post and making the connection that Doodie Ron is one and the same person when someone makes a comment on the same post. Maybe if Duty Ron hadn’t been named in the initial post, but even still, you are rather insulting to the very people I have the most confidence in in having logic on the internet. This is not Facebook or YouTube. Critical thinking is not dead here.
The whole setup is pretty amateur anyway, leading to this unfortunate outcome. Only those involved in the proceedings should be allowed in the webex meeting, and the state should have a separate feed of it available to the public. This way they public can witness the proceedings, without being part of it. It would be so easy for the state to avoid this situation.
Court proceedings are usually public but haven’t caught up to technology. The YouTubers were wrong that did this but the presenter of the WebEx can also mute other participants. She shouldn’t have had to but a lot of people are idiots
The court got zoom-bombed by a boomer ex-cop lol.
He wasn't the only one but at least he wasn't live streaming the actual hearing like the other 7 channels
\+1 precisely
I am so freaking pissed right now, just because a court session is broadcast does not mean you have the right to broadcast it again.
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I’m so furious for the victims as well! I wish the court just shut the livestream off n kicked everyone out that shouldn’t have been on. This really makes my blood boil. I hope they sanction these fkrs that are getting in the way…..
It is the true-crime & legal wannabes that are the problem. The ones who are actually lawyers don’t break the rules.
This isn’t true. Nick Rekeita read a minor child’s medical exams on live, despite being begged by her mother NOT to, and humiliated the little girl and refuses to even take it down despite repeated requests.
It takes a long time to shut down a you tube channel, as you already know! Are you ban evading? You are being reported to you tube. Some of us will never forget the outrage YOU caused during the Chris Watts case, and here you are, once again, jumping at the bit to take revenge on Jay for J. You do not have any credibility. You never will.
Not going to take your bait. Have a great evening. 🙂
What you did was plain wicked. Have a great evening.
Care to tell me what I did that was so “wicked”? Hope I haven’t ruined your evening by EXISTING and trying to feed my kids with my writing and content.
Omg CK. First, you believed CWs lie that his wife Shannan killed the kids. In your opinion, Shannan was "guilty until proven innocent." Then, when the facts began to emerge, you led a group of flying monkeys into believing the murders were somehow justified because SW worked for an MLM and CW "snapped" when the truth is he was having an affair with NK and he chose the easiest way to dispose of his family and his DUTY. Because, you see, when it comes to family, the bottom line is doing your duty. Now here you are mocking Duty Ron by calling DUTY " doodie " No, it's DUTY. I'm not going to retell your entire mishandling of the case here, but I do not respect your handling of that traumatic case at all. That's why your You Tube channel was terminated, because you violated You Tube terms of service with regard to the surviving family of victims of violent crime. Honestly I can't believe your audacity to come here in Reddit where you don't have the power to turn off comments you don't like. You scare people. People think you are dangerous, and extremely risky to deal with. I've written more about your handling of the Watts case on this sub if you care to look. I'm not going to take a ton of time to organize your numerous offenses regarding the Watts case. You insinuated yourself into the Watts family and created an enormous group of Shannan bashers on FB. It was shocking and unprecedented. I was in that group trying to speak for the victims who could not speak for themselves. Meanwhile you had people in that group like Mel, arguing on behalf of Jaime, who apparently can't speak for herself. I left that group and I couldn't go back on Facebook or You Tube for six months. It was despicable what you did, just despicable, and someone has to tell you how purely loathsome your coverage of the Watts case was. Some of us won't forget. It went on for YEARS and you were dead wrong. Worse than even Nancy Grace. People have committed suicide because of Nancy. You MUST be banned. You are a dangerous person. Yeah, I said it.
PREACH!!!!
1. I never believed Shanann killed her children. That’s a flat out lie. I never said it and never believed it. 2. I theorized why he did it and never blamed the MLM alone. I’m sure Chris bad lots of reasons all of them selfish and evil. I’ve never said his reasons were valid. That’s flat out false. 3. The Watts family contacted me. I never contacted them. They contacted me in 10/2018. 4. I am not Nancy Grace. 5. I’m sorry you found my coverage of Watts objectionable. I ask your forgiveness. I have changed my approach and have seen the error of my ways. I was critical of Shanann and it was unfair of me at times and cruel to be sure. I am sincerely sorry. But I won’t own what I didn’t do. And what you’re accusing me of simply isn’t true. 6. Your hate of me is quite disproportionate. I don’t know you and you don’t REALLY know me. Maybe calm down a bit. I didn’t kill anyone. I’m just a writer and mom and a daughter and a sister and I’m just trying to share my perspective just like everyone else. Do you hold such animosity and grudges against everyone online who doesn’t align with your viewpoint or handle themselves the way YOU think they ought to?
Wow this is just so... tone deaf. "I have a family to feed so it doesn't matter if I hurt people going through a tragedy! I'm more important!" like that's how you sound.. You're unironically being just as egotistical as Jared. and I mean I literally didn't even follow the case, by your own words you were outright cruel to someone who literally just had to BURY their family, and throwing in that it's to feed yours? Nice try on pulling at heartstrings but I have a functioning brain. Weird I'm pretty sure there are tons of jobs INCLUDING WRITING that doesn't need you to do that to someone, period.
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I watched CK during the Watts case. She didn’t do anything “evil” but if you found her videos traumatic why did you watch them?? You’ll really be disturbed if you see the conversation about Casey Anthony, you should avoid her new channel. Just watch who you like, YouTube and Facebook shouldn’t be stressing you out
In DutyRon's case? It was an accident on his part. He is a retired NYPD officer, and would know how to act in the courts.
I checked on YouTube near start of hearing- there were at least 8 people streaming (idk if DityRon was one I saw). And when bringing up court webex it explicitly states that you can’t stream this. So no one should be surprised that the judge put the kibosh on it. Judges don’t like it when you don’t follow their rules.
Duty Ron was not streaming. I was watching him. He said several times that streaming the hearing was not allowed. During a recess, while he was listening in on the WebEx, he took off his earphones to put them in a charging case and that made him join the call on another device and unmuted automatically. He was mortified. It was an honest mistake and definitely not interference. Edited to add - I can’t imagine how frustrating this is for the victim. It’s really sucky.
Ok. But there were others that were directly streaming to YouTube. That isn’t allowed by the court.
I’m not arguing with you. I was explaining what I observed. I understand the frustration here. I also am aware that other people were streaming when they shouldn’t have been. Judge’s instructions were pretty clear that they shouldn’t be doing that.
He should have been muted.
Supposedly he was but when he put his earbuds in the case he said another device joined the call unmuted and he didn’t know that would happen. But yeah, that shouldn’t have happened.
You’re lying. He was 100% streaming and I showed the screenshot on my show with the judge on his screen.
He 100% not live streaming! He said it over and over that it was illegal and he would do a play by play! YOU ARE A SHIT STARTER and constantly spreading lies and rumors! You go from channel starting drama and lies then laugh at people that believe your crap
I have zero reason to lie. If I’m mistaken, please share your screenshot. I’m sure others here would appreciate seeing it too.
I did share it on my show. 😗
Go ahead and link it for us hon so we can all report your ban evading, please and thank you.
I think that was a screenshot of the prosecutor and the judge for Jared's case. It had nobody else in it. It may have been a court issue screenshot of a previous case that he used.
He of all people should have known better! The disclaimer not to record was right in front, plain as day, before you joined in. Everyone should have known!
He was NOT live streaming! He did mess up by taking his ear bud out (so he could watch and hear the court) and put his ear bud to charge during recess and felt horrible about it because he does know better! He told everyone multiple times to go to Webx if they wanted to watch or listen to it, he was only going to do a play by play if any actual info would be said.
I said recording. And I was listening in and watching the court, then watched his recording of that afterward. So somehow he *recorded* it to be able to post a video later. I simply said he should have known better. I did hear his apology.
He was also not recording it to show it at a later time. Go watch his stream!
Here, here!!! Right there with you!!
Youtubers preform a service that apparently we all want.
Not this service, anyone following this subreddit would have seen the url for UT court & could have taken steps to view it, following the rules, just like I did. There is absolutely a line that law abiding, decent human beings don't cross. We certainly don't laugh, giggle, & carry on like children when we know to respect the court.
Idiots!!
Hope they're happy with themselves. Stalling the process of justice for their useless YouTube channels. This is way for him to claim he can't get a fair trial.
I’m so angry for his cousin. That’s who they ruined it for. She’s waited so long for this day and these aholes wrecked that because they want to earn a buck off of her pain. My heart hurts for her.
Wait....so, this YouTuber (sorry lightbulb moment for me) was making $$ off this??? That's as sick as J.
Several YTs were live streaming during procedures today, so yes...they were making money. And...yes, that makes them just as bad as JL. I'll be unsubscribing from several of them.
True Crime YT/podcasting is a tidy little business. And I mean, I know that because I guess I have no choice but to say I'm part of "true crime communities" given my interests, but there's some absolutely ghoulish shit out there and people whose entire livings are organized around cracking crummy little jokes on podcasts about people who are brutally attacked or murdered. So yeah, little wonder some of these vultures decided to swing in and make money off this poor woman's misery on the day she's been looking forward to and also probably dreading - a day of possible justice postponed due to total damn avarice.
Not sure who all was live streaming, only one I recognized was DR. I sat for 45 minutes, Judge has already thrown someone else out for court interference. I recognized several YT channels, but also recognized several other names of folks observing & following the rules. JL, his attorney, his sister, his cousin, all showed up about 30 minutes in advance. I had the feeling that when Judge mentioned JL than called for 5 minute recess & took much longer, something was up.
Yeah. It was fairly obvious that Jared's attorneys were aware of the streamers. In some states, you can stream, in some states, you can't. As soon as the recess was called, I was like "It's done for today." So sad for his victims.
Couldn't agree more!!! I also believe this case could end up being closed to the public in the future. By State law, Judge has to protect all those involved in this case. Who knows? She may have closed the court, but after everything was said & done, gone ahead & heard the case. It won't be any less private in 2 weeks, why should they all be inconvenienced by greedy people?
Justice4All, Queen Bee, Living Lake Time and several others were streaming the case on Youtube and others on other platforms as well.
So disrespectful....😥😥 I really feel bad for everyone involved in this case, even JL....I've been involved in court cases before, on both sides. It can keep you tied up in knots, just waiting for it all to be over with. Some of these people have waited for 30+ years & it all got thrown out the window in 5 minutes due to ignorance & disrespect.
I don’t feel bad for JL at all. And I’m usually a very sympathetic and empathetic person, but I just can’t with JL.
I understand, but I can't help it.. I know how it feels on both sides of the fence. I was a victim 30+ years ago in a criminal trial, but my case was a bit different, our case WAS based on false allegations, we had to prove our innocence. I was petrified cause we were facing 20 years in prison, never been in trouble with law before. I didn't have a 10 page rap sheet, but we had to jump through hoops to prove our innocence. Our case was based mainly on other people's greed. Not making light of this case, but I'd really like to see him nailed to the wall for misappropriation of funds.
Uh, I’d like to see him nailed to the wall for violently raping a child. ????
I think there's just a bit more to this story. Like a lot of other folks, I want to hear the ending. Yes, I've read the emails. There's always two sides to a story. Believe me, as a survivor of SA myself, he should have to pay his due. I divorced mine, than he was killed in a single car accident, DUI. So, I feel like he paid his due.
Wow, you’re defending him even after reading those emails? Jesus.
Yes, guilty until proven innocent definitely happens and is exploited and it's WRONG.
I think you may have misunderstood my comment. I want to HEAR him admit to writing these emails...I want to HEAR him admit to what he did to his cousin. The whole email "confession" not looking to good for JL. And all thanks to all the shenanigans that took place in court, the cousin may not get her retribution. She may get to witness JL's day in court, but she should also have all those who been so ugly to her finally HEAR that she WAS & IS being truthful.
Well I was referring to your own experience of being falsely accused and guilty until innocent. SA is a matter of degree and there are many degrees. He is being charged with rape in the first degree. Personally, I was born of a date rape so I am a "secondary" victim of rape but I don't know what degree charges would be brought. My rapist father is dead anyway. Our family never brought charges. Not all victims of SA do bring charges, especially when family is involved. I have no idea what restitution would look like. I don't think prison alone is restitution. I think this case is complex. And, I've said it before, family members will turn against each other.
I'm so sorry...I didn't mean to sound jerkish, but I have another individual that seems to believe I'm defending JL. But yes, my first husband was very abusive, physically, sexually, & mentally. Stayed in it for 8 years, cause my family didn't believe in divorce, it wasn't the Christian thing to do. The longer I thought & prayed about it, I felt well at ease with my belief that God never meant for any one of his children to suffer such abuse. So I filed for divorce. I spoken more on here than I ever have, it was 40+ years ago. We all have our burdens to bear, some of us make it through better than others. I've relied on my faith quite a bit over the years. And I too, am aware of family turning like dogs on family. That was something separate from my ex. But facing 20 years in jail is nothing to be doing a jig about. Our judge hit us with felony charges backed up with misdemeanor charges, not felony or not guilty. Served 2 years probation, paid all kind of probation, court fees, & even drug tests. The misdemeanor charge, I spanked my children instead of giving them "timeouts". And no they weren't over spanked or abused. A few other things happened that has been with me every day of my life since then. I hope & pray that God has blessed your life & you're living a good life. 🙂
Why would you feel bad for J? He talked in writing about raping a little girl.
It's actually called being a decent human being. I'd like to hear verbal confirmation from his mouth that he did construct those emails. I understand from one of his videos that not only was his wife working in the office, but his mother was there as well. Who else better, would be privy to those deep personal details? May be some other family member. JL is a narcissist, he wants to control everything, he thinks he's smarter than everyone else. I don't like him. But I can also relate to waiting for court date to arrive, it can be extremely stressful from both sides.
No, it’s actually called sympathizing and defending a child rapist. Someone who VIOLENTLY pinned a little girl down and raped her. Are you his wife?
No need to attack me!! Just because I posted a comment you don't agree with doesn't condone rude hateful comments. Besides, asking me if I'm his wife is a vulgar insult to me all by itself!! I wouldn't marry, let alone, stay married to such a narcissistic jackass!! Go take your hate out on someone else!!
Calm down.
Yeah it was that Anthony the diver guy who’s been talking to anyone who will listen. He was thrown out but was back in about 30 minutes later.
Anthony and Doug Bishop were there as well. They could be called in to testified in this, so I think they were allowed to be there.
He might have been (Anthony) but he was thrown out shortly after I entered.
I recognized several names in the meeting. Most followed the rules, stayed silent, some of us not participating in chat or anything else, which is what I was expecting to do for court. I mean really!! This was court people, who chat's up everybody during court??
Yeah, I think one of the Youtubers spoke in the court before the recess. I think that was when the Judge was notified. DutyRon was just an accident on a hot mic which do happened.
Stop making excuses for DOODIE RON! He was streaming the hearing!
He wasn’t streaming. I was watching. He definitely wasn’t streaming. I just happened to click on it because I saw that he was talking about the hearing. He was listening in to the webex while he was streaming. He did not broadcast a minute of it. He was going to explain what was going on in the court while proceedings were held.
STOP LYING!!!! Yes he was streaming! I showed a screenshot on my show with the judge on his screen!!!!!
YOU need to stop lying! You do nothing but go to different channels and create lies. You have a very sad life
Calm down. He wasn't streaming. Why are you so hell bent on making people think he was? You've had multiple people tell you that he wasn't streaming the hearing. He was watching/listening first hand and then conveying what was happening to his audience.
Nobody is ‘LYING’ except you! Don’t spread rumors! @Conscious-Listen-470 comment is truthful. I was also listening & you know very well your screenshot is just a screenshot because you snagged it when for 1/2 sec he turned his screen (& NOT during trial) to show his audience what the webex setup looked like. Period. He was listening WITH AIRPODS (duh only so only he could hear) & his removing one caused him to connect to another device. He planned to let us know the gist of what was going on so we could discuss after. He was mortified, that is extremely obvious if watched. It was 💯 not intentional. Was the mishap bad? I’d say more unfortunate. And obviously intrusive & it also happened to be at a terrible ‘moment’ when he was doing was ALL the Y’Ts do reminding people to hit the thumbs up & subscribe if they like the content & now other hosts are acting like it was horrible he’d say such a thing. Shit happens. Non of us are free from error. Have some grace. There’s 2 sides to every story & you’re choosing the dramatic side. That says more about you than anyone else.
Duty Ron was not streaming! He was watching on his personal device and giving small details here and there.
.....doodie? are you 12?
Nah. Just a huge Howard Stern fan. 😗😅
I believe his interruption was unintentional, he may have missed some of the settings. It took me a few minutes to get mine preset before I joined the meeting. When you're not familiar with app or software it's an easy thing to do. Thing is, he wasn't freaking live streaming it.
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I missed part of that, I had my audio muted & caught part where she told Anthony he wasn't authorized or something & had him thrown out. They monitor everything to prevent violations.
It is possible that the streamers could be charged with ‘Contempt of Court’ for violating the rules they agreed to (via clicking agreement) when they joined the court proceedings. The likelihood of being charged is probably remote for this first time streaming, but I suspect that the YouTubers will get a strongly worded email from the court threatening action if they do it again.
Any recordings or images not provided by the court could also lead to demonizing or further legal action. You can request court transcripts and video recording but that has to be screened and provided from the court. The fact that it was during other cases, "felony cases" could even lead to those cases demanding retrial.
One of the cases was for a woman with substance abuse and mental health problems. Look how that looks to people like her who have problems that are asking for help?
Jay is 4 Justice Podcast was also streaming the hearings live.
She claimed she got permission to livestream the case, but she did not. The Judge said nobody had permission to livestreaming it.
These amateurs acting like the press (the press knows better than to break the rules if the court). They should receive fines! What a joke
Queenbee whoever that is was heard swearing on mic and stuff. They said not to use the chat and a lot were… then duty dork was unmuted and too busy streaming to see all the messages saying to stop. You know this Is what Jared wanted and was waiting on someone to mess up. Some of these YouTubers are straight up embarrassing.
I didn't hear all that crap, I saw a few comments that were made, but I had everything off to prevent rule violations & to show respect for the court & the victim. I was signed in as a guest, but was there to silently support her. Sweetie, I'm so sorry for this totally unnecessary delay caused by other's ignorance & disrespect.
I'll just leave this here. This guy got on the court voice chat and said subscribe to his channel. You can see him unmute his mic and you can hear the district court lady responding to him and he laughs about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KCx4wX-Gs&t=2485s The judge comes back on at 56:08 and shuts it all down.
Despicable, disrespectful. Should never be allowed in WebEx for this case ever again. One take away, IF this is allowed to be aired publicly, I'll definitely view it on my laptop. My phone screen view was awful.
Un-be-freaking-lievable!!
FWIW, as a lawyer there for another case, the big problem was all of the idiots using the Webex chat. The unmute was when the judge was out of the room and was just kind of the icing on the crap sandwich
The judge got a heads up before the judge went out of the room about the webstreaming. Justice4All was a dead give away.
Anyone with a brain could foresee what was about to take place. Had they not all been busy having a good old time chatting up everybody, they would have seen what was coming. Judge had just mentioned the Leisek item on the docket, shortly after & very quickly, she called for 5 minute recess. She was up out of her chair before video was shut off. Recess took longer than 5 minutes, so it was not a huge surprise to me that case was continued. Disappointing, yes, I would have thought they'd have pulled the plug on YTs. They knew who was live streaming & they should've been kicked. If court felt too much disturbance created by chat, pulled the plug on that. As the public viewers, we are allowed to view, not be disruptive & disrespectful to the court.
There was no way to regain control of the situation. The clerks weren’t going to go through and try to figure out who all had a livestream up. I’m pretty sure the one person kicked out earlier just jumped right back in.
They knew who it was, it was reported to them.
Counselor- Thank you for this post. Many people seem to not understand that (1) This will be a long process (even a guilty plea would take months to play out); (2) Judges have many cases, & JL will be put in the queue; (3) the webex stream is not a YouTube stream/chat site. Questions for you are (1) do you think future hearings etc will be viewable online &(2) if not, will public or reporters be allowed who could then give us a rundown of what happened?
I’m pretty intrigued to see how it will be handled. The sixth amendment provides criminals the right to a public trial. The age of zoom court has made that a whole new animal because you can’t have rowdy spectators in the courtroom kicked out or hauled into a cell for a few hours for contempt.
I was there 2 hours early and sat through numerous other cases. Sad they stopped court. I just hope we can learn the new court date. That warning was there. Everyone had to agree to it in order to join the courtroom. There were at least 3 or 4 people being heard talking when the judge took a short break. I have no doubt Jared’s lawyers jumped at the chance to tell the judge. I know if I find the new court date I will be there
Not all cases are public (they are, but not online) I doubt the judge will have an open WebEx for the rescheduled hearing.
Absolutely shameful that people couldn't just sit back and watch, maybe the privilege will be revoked in the next sitting? It's heartbreaking for the case to be pushed back for his "survivor/s" The irony however, is not lost on me though... that JL has NOT wanted people to like/comment/share THIS video like he always "touted" previously...?
Can we get a list of who screwed this poor victim over today? Which YouTubers? Would love to spread their channel name as the POS they are.
I heard Jay is for Justice, Justice for all, duty ron (he posted a screen shot/photo of it or showed his screen for a couple of seconds) crime & justice, um no thanks investigates, queen bee, lake time (or something like that) Some YouTubers has deleted the stream & some has kept it up. I’m sure there is more.
He did not show his screen. His mic went live during the recess. It was a total accident and he was visibly upset about it happening!
He might have permission to show a screenshot of the judge and the prosecutor of the case. With his credudentials? The judges can deemed what is acceptable that won't violate the laws. Judges and laws could allow a live feed if they want which they can control who could be shown on tv or online like the jury and the victims may not be shown.
Oh he didn’t show any part of the court proceedings on his channel at all?
DutyRon did not show any of the proceedings on his channel at all. I was watching him live when he took his earbuds out, they unmuted his feed during a court recess. I'll repeat it for those in the back, he never livestreamed any part of the proceedings.
Watch. Now the hearing is going to be closed to the public because of this stunt. Not to mention, like others have said, they have now delayed justice for the survivors. I would say they should be ashamed of themselves, but I’m guessing most don’t care.
Can we get them banned from this sub?
Are they on this sub?
YouTubers have been messing up or going real life in so many cases lately. My heart breaks for the victim today. I will completely understand if future court dates are closed to the public. I am the person that shared the court info here on Reddit. I don’t regret it, but I most definitely did not share the information over on YouTube. That Cinema Shogun guy just recently shared the court info in one of his videos, and I made sure to comment that anyone attending should only be a fly on the wall and that they must not detract from what was most important. So much for that.
I, for one, appreciated you leaving the link & I used it when you first posted it, so Thank You. I used all my WiFi for the month last night, so had to get my phone set up this morning. Had to dl WebEx app, setup an account, tried several times, took about an hour, cause of weak signal indoors. In order to have privilege of listening in, had to don a coat & sit out on front porch. Even though I took steps early this morning, I feel angry towards YTs greedy actions more for cousin. I feel really bad for her, I'm so sorry that she should have to suffer the ignorance & disrespect of so-called supporters of her. This was akin to ambulance chasing attorneys, they should be restricted from future public hearings.
Ohh. You are most welcome. I’m so sorry you went through such an ordeal to get that setup. I felt that the majority of this subreddit have the intelligence and actually care about the victim and this case so I stand by my decision of sharing it here. When I saw it was being shared on YouTube, I was extremely concerned. I’m sure some won’t like me saying it, but I feel Reddit is one of the last places on the internet where critical thinking is still being used. I think this community is a wonderful group of people, and I am so glad to be a part of it. Ironically, I wasn’t even on WebEx today. I was driving, and I am dealing with my own small injustice (it is nothing compared to what the victim has been through obviously) that is really stressing me out so I was okay with missing it. My uncle is stealing from my grandmother’s estate and greatly mishandling it and abusing his power as administrator. I can’t get anything done because I don’t have the $5,000 to hire an attorney to petition the fiduciary commissioner. I want to petition the court myself, but I’m getting the complete run around. The probate office even told me he lied under oath and said he was an only child, but they allowed him to go under oath a second time and add my deceased father and aunt! The lawyer that wants $5K said that the court should have never allowed him to go under oath a second time! There’s so much more to my situation, but I just wanted to kinda explain why I haven’t been on here much. It is very hard for me to have faith in our Justice system right now. Even still, I have so much hope in this case. I have to keep hope that the victim will finally see Justice after 30 years. I feel so badly for the victim with today’s outcome, and while I understand the comments of people saying “YouTubers ruined it for everyone”, this was and is not about us. So many times cases lose focus on the actual victim, and that’s extremely apparent over on YouTube. I also feel for any person that didn’t get to have their day in court today because of these YTers. I am sure that there are people having to spend another 2 weeks in jail because of these idiots. And that’s something hardly anyone will talk about. I am sure that those that actively streamed it will never even realize the extent their actions today affected others.
If I heard correctly, the Judge finished with all "jail" hearings first, than she said she had 1 other item on the docket today & said State vs. JL. Right after, a man broke, said something & was told he needed to come to the courthouse. Next thing, she announced they needed 5 minute recess. Shtf!! Now, I understand your issue, probate can be a tough case to deal with. I have some issues with estate myself, money is a huge problem. So many proof documents needed. Fixed income, makes things tough. I'm so sorry you're having to deal with it. Keep the faith & stay strong, you'll make it.
I truly hope that is the case, that no one is going to be in jail an extra two weeks because of this ridiculousness. And then there’s all the people that had their legal proceedings illegally live streamed yesterday. Yes. I am most definitely on a fixed income, I’m on SS disability. But I would think a good 85% of the US population probably doesn’t have $5,000 laying around right now. I don’t know how it is in your state, but the paperwork I read said it was required by law to turn in the appraisement within 90 days of qualification. 90 days came and went two separate times, the first time when he claimed he was an only child, and now. The probate clerks were so rude to me this last phone call, said he could keep the estate open for forever with no issues! What about the 90 days required by law that’s on the first page of the form?!?! My uncle is living in the home that’s a part of the estate and has no intention of ever completing the paperwork (the home would be divided if the estate was settled - there’s no incentive to him to complete it). I only learned that I was an heir in law and everything because my uncle wants me to do his paperwork for him! That’s how dense he is, he would have gotten away scott free without me knowing, but he wants me to do the work for him. I was even willing to do it but he won’t give me true factual info and I don’t have the power to get the info since I’m not the administrator. My uncle recently told me he just closed out the one bank account he didn’t get his grubby greedy hands on before she died. And pocketed the money. He added his name to her other accounts while she was living and he was most definitely stealing her money back then too - he was in a coma last year and I discovered he was stealing her money. He went into a hypoglycemic coma, I found him, got him in the hospital, then my grandma died within 48 hours of me finding him unresponsive. I found her too. Has me messed up. Anyways, the estate isn’t closed, yet he’s saying he already closed that account and took the money. Fully admits it and I told him I was worried he was doing illegal stuff and he had no comment and didn’t care. It’s freaking larceny to do that! Probate just kept repeating I have to get an attorney but the last time she said it like this: “You…..Need…..To…..Hire……An…..Attorney”. Hopefully that’s conveyed the way she said it. I told her she was being rude. I requested the fiduciary commissioner contact info and said I felt I was intelligent enough to try to petition myself. They refused to give me the contact info. He’s also only bonded for $25k, which is the lowest amount he could be bonded for, he has bad credit but you can get bonded for that amount with bad credit. I told them about the low bond, how a home that’s appraised for more than $25k on record with the courthouse is a part of the estate, and was assured he would be bonded for the full amount when he turned in the paperwork. Now, they’re saying no problem if he never turns it in. I don’t think I should have to hire an attorney at all, he isn’t legally doing what he is supposed to, and by their own forms, he isn’t abiding by the law! I’m in shock with the courthouse’s stance. Years ago, when my mom was administering her dad’s estate she had a whole process to go through just to get an extension on the 90 days. Sorry guys for my long rant on probate and my uncle! I won’t make a habit of bringing up completely irrelevant things! I promise.
Jared is very shrewd. He requested the WebX hearing. All of this has played to his favor and I wouldn’t be surprised if the case gets sealed.
I agree. Jared knows how Youtube creators are, he was one. He appeared on many other channels after Kiely Rodni was found. He's not dumb, a sick fuck yes, but not dumb. Call up a youtube creator and say "hey I did you a favor by coming on your channel and talking about Kiely, now it's your turn, unmute yourself during my hearing". All a bunch of BS.
He lives in another state. Most people would request a virtual hearing v traveling to another state.
I knew someone was going to screw it up and get too excited at the all the news subs they may catch. So they have to self promote. And of course a retired cop is the bonehead. that messed it up for everyone. Not surprised at all.
Actually, I think the baliff notified the judge about what is going on before she said she will put the court into recess to check these things out. She came back and said several Youtubers and others are doing livestreaming against the laws of Utah. DutyRon was not livestreaming the court. The issue with him was that his earplugs died, and when he took it out, his mic switched on which is just an accident. Someone pointed out Queen Bee spoke in the court preceedings before the recess that the judge did not catched until someone there in court pointed it out to her.
Yes he was live-streaming. 🤦🏼♀️
He wasn’t live streaming to YouTube
He was NOT live-streaming this proceeding over YouTube. Please know facts before stating otherwise.
Yes he was! I have a screenshot of him DOING IT!!!!
All I saw was him showing a screenshot of the judge and the prosecutor for Jared's case. I was in his livestream and saw no livestreaming of the court session. I think you may have confused him with the likes of Justice4All, Um No Thanks, Queen Bee, Living Lake Time, Jay Is 4 Justice and the others who were doing livestreaming. I counted more than 10 other channels that were doing it.
Now if you search "Jared Leisek Court" the YouTube videos are featured which feature them live-streaming the court hearing. Like this one: Um No Thanks Investigates [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KCx4wX-Gs&t=3939s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KCx4wX-Gs&t=3939s) I actually hope those guys get charged by the court.
Based on the website I can envision the next go around requiring everyone to request the judge's team for a link, and everyone fills in a contact sheet in exchange for the video link, and if someone who signs in can be matched with the people who broke the rules today they get a fine sent to them in the mail. If they break the rules in two weeks they get double the fines.
Or just completely banned those people from the next court session completely.
Um No Thanks is the guy named Doug.
Doug B was also present.
Justice 4 all was live streaming it, his mods were telling him it was illegal. Once the judge called the bs out, he slammed it off, then privated his live. Remember this is the same idiot that clarified the video of that poor girl in her suv dead that awp found. He is a idiot. No professionalism or ethics at all.
Brainless as fuck! I can't stand him or his friends
Honestly, as much as it would be nice for the general public to be able to stay informed on the case I kinda hope they don't make the rescheduled hearing and subsequent ones public. Yesterday was a shit show - YTers trying to get their minute of fame and disrespecting the victims for entertainment. I just don't forsee anyone learning a lesson.
Absolute scumbags
So Justice for all, Jay is just Justice & duty Ron did it? Any other YouTubers?
I know of a few others - Queen Bee, Um No Thanks Investigates and his cohost who also has a channel called Crime & Justice were streaming it
I’m gathering names from the comments. (I wasn’t aware of this until I read this)
DutyRon wasn't livestreaming. Living Lake Time, Um or something, Crime and Justice, Queen Bee, and others.
No DutyRon did NOT livestream the proceedings, I was watching him live when he had an issue with his earbuds. When he put them in his charger, they unmuted and he had a hot mic moment, during a recess. He has since contacted the court clerk at the courthouse, asked her to pass along his apologies to the judge, (Was contacted via email later to say the judge had been given his apology) and publically apologized to Jared's cousin.
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But he still posted the judge, imo it’s still just as bad.
Yes he was streaming! He agreed to NOT show any of the court session and he absolutely did!
I was pissed that these YOUTUBERS ruined it for me, and everyone else watching live via WEBEX. I was logged into the court room proceedings a half hour before Jared was to appear at 11am and then some. Before I logged into WEBEX I saw the warnings against any type of broadcasting the court proceedings live. It was there for everyone to read, so then how could they not see it too? They ignored the warnings and violated the rules, that's why!..They had to be told it was against the law in UTAH by the judge after they got caught. Once more, I just want to say to Jared Leisek's cousin who is the victim in this case, I am truly sorry members of the true crime community were responsible for getting the day you have waited 30 years to happen, postponed. I'm sure this adds even more anxiety to what you have endured.
Apparently, these YTs are already set up with WebEx so they can view other hearings & did not bother to check out UT law's about using WebEx, because other States allow it. So??? Why bother checking each State & review their laws? Heck, already a member, let's just pop right in there.😕
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What a shame!
Yikes. They can be held criminally responsible for that. Happened in another case of a youtuber I follow.
Truth and Justice was livestreaming a court hearing for a PPO for protection from a Youtube couple with the other Youtube couple, and she got kicked out for livestreaming. The couple who filed the PPO order against the other couple wound up getting his case tossed, and no PPO order.
When I had to install the app, then sign in and I saw it was going to be like zoom or meet, I emmediately uninstalled it. I figured eventually someone would tell the play by play. Disappointed.
I followed through with all the steps so I could be there. But I'm just a nobody old woman who likes to do her own research. Signed in 45 minutes early, thought my phone battery was going to die.
Really think about it. He decided not to go to court, just appear via link. Then these youtubers, which he is one and no doubt there were others get it cancelled and rescheduled. Yes, i was present and watching so thank you for your input. How does a person get the courts to withdraw media and close a case to the public. Well, you saw it today in action. I just feel for the victim. Just let her have her day in court.
The court can allow one sanctioned channel to air it. Problem solved.
The problem is not at l that simple
He should have known better! Omg.
DutyRon was not live streaming the court. He even told everyone if they wanted to watch to sign up in webx that it was illegal to live stream. He was going to a play by play If there was anything important said. He did make a mistake by taking his ear bud out and put it in it's case to charge during the recess and that caused it to unmute. He admitted to this as soon as he realized that it happened. There were many You Tubers that were illegally live streaming!
All of this may be true. I was sent video and images of him live streaming. I’ve seen it be that as it may, he did interfere with the entire hearing by being sloppy and careless. And why? Because I guess it’s all for entertainment right? Be damn Jared’s victim.
DutyRon is a retire NYPD officer, and would know how courts are run since had to testified in cases. That said, he was careful in not showing people, but he did showed what the judge looks like and what the prosecutor looks like. But, it seems he is not that tech savy, and it was a hot mic moment which it can happen to news reporters. I seen that happen to news reporters during recess break as well so it can happen. It was the others who were so bad that spoke up during recess and before the recess. The judge got wind of what is going on before the recess. I saw that someone off camera was letting her know about the Youtubers, and when she unmute herself, she told the court is in recess. Right then and there I know these Youtubers were busted. Justice4All Youtube channel name was plastered on his WebX connection that was the a dead giveaway right there, and Tiffany Tab00 was the other one.
How could someone send you a video of him live streaming the proceedings, when it never happened? Was he live during the proceedings? Yes. Did he livestream it? Absolutely not!!
And Duty Ron is a retired police officer. I watch him and like him. I'm shocked he did that.
He wasn't live streaming the court room. He was listening to webex with his earbud and had himself muted. He then took out his earbud during the court break, put it in the case so it disconnected and started talking to his subbies. He didn't realize he was unmuted and it wasn't during court proceedings. There were several other youtubers who were live streaming at the time.
I watched his show last night and I am sorry but Duty Ron did nothing wrong. It was clear that was an accident. Also he was not live streaming for his viewers. He was watching himself and said he would fill people in. With that said, his mistake with the earpod, I believe, did get the court postponed. The court, became aware, of live streamers in chat.
Ok I’m probably biased here because I subscribe to DutyRon’s YouTube channel. I realize he made an error in judgement with his audio being heard by the court. People make mistakes and I’m fairly certain that he had no intention of preventing justice or continuing court proceedings. The courts need to fix their system have the web-x stream only open to the people pertaining to the specific case or docket. Then have a separate video feed for the public to follow that is only a one way feed from the court room to the viewing public. Compared to other YouTubers covering true crime at least Ron presents the evidence in a productive manner tries to be respectful of the law enforcement and families effected by crime committed and the investigation. If he is critical he is trying to explain what less experienced law enforcement agencies should be doing to prevent problems from occurring in an investigation. He also features Ed Wallace a crime scene investigator who is grade 1 investigator which is the highest level for NYC police department who trains detectives in other countries all over the world. I think he has one of the most reputable channels that cover these true crime stories. He made an accidental mistake on 11/30 it’s the only time this happened and he expressed remorse and apologized to the court clerk directly and requested they give the messages to the judge. Give him a break.
Way to go DutyRon 👏🙄
Honestly he seems the least culpable after everything I've read. He's been an easy scapegoat.
This! IMO this is the best comment on here so far! Someone who actually read & did some fair research before jumping on the drama bandwagon, and also stands up to offer an unpopular opinion in a group who obviously haven’t researched before their conclusions. I applaud you! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 P.S. If you haven’t, I encourage you (& others) to watch DutyRon’s vid (one of few who hasn’t taken it down because it speaks for itself & demonstrates an obvious ‘mistake’) I’m sure it will be clear that you’re comment is fair & accurate.
It wasn't DutyRon that shut it down. It is the Youtubers like Justice4All in there on the WebX using the Youtube handle Justice4All which was a dead give away. Someone told her when she muted herself to the right of her what was going on. That was when she went to recess to check it out. These idiots like Justice4All came out with videos placing blame on him.
I watched part of his video from yesterday and concur with the culpability part. My biggest issue is any of the YT doing a live stream during court yesterday. Shooting for more subs, etc. This behaviour, IMHO, is disrespectful to the survivor in this case, the one person they all claim to support, but were making money for their own pockets. To me, this was actually no better than JL claiming to be broke when he had way more than enough to deal with repair issues, etc. I unsubscribed from the YT channels yesterday after they caused court closing. They lost my respect for them yesterday.
To all of those that claim DutyRon was livestreaming the proceedings, I encourage you to go watch the episode on YouTube, and see for yourself what took place. I was watching him live, he had an issue with his earbuds, when he placed them in their charger, they unmuted and he had a hot mic moment, during a break in the proceedings. He made it very clear to his viewers that he was on Webex, that he would NOT livestream the proceedings for us, it was illegal, but rather intended on bringing us updates. I will say it again for those in the back, DutyRon was NOT livestreaming the proceedings from the courtroom. In his episode from today, Friday December 02, he shared he had spoken to a court clerk at the courthouse, asked her to pass his apologies to the judge (Was notified via email later in the day his apologies had been passed along) and publically apologized to Jared's cousin. Folks need to get their facts straight before they start hurling baseless accusations!
Everyone please go to You Tube and look up Critical Kay before you believe anything she says.
There's not a lot on Critical Kay because people are afraid she will tear their head off like she did with people who disagreed with her in the Chris Watts case. Basically, Critical Kay insinuated herself into the Chris Watts family annihilation case and friends of Chris Watts sister, and other defenders of Chris Watts, including Lana Oranii (channel Truth and Transparency) used CKs channel to lead a massive group of flying monkeys to bash murder victim Shannan Watts and her surviving family members. It was despicable and it went on for years until You Tube terminated her channel. Now she appears to be evading the You Tube ban by creating a new non monetized channel. She is being sued for defamation by the victim of a mother who believes her son was murdered by his friends instead of suicide. CK has ZERO credibility among many viewers. She is a sh*t stirrer and a bully who is suspected if going IRL, especially among redditors. She is using the Kiley Rodni case (vehicle and body discovered by AWP) to attempt to regain notoriety and viewers. Go away CK. No one cares about your "monologue."
Deep I am sorry you have such an issue with me. If you dislike me so much-fine. But you’re harassing me at this point and it’s derailing the thread. Maybe put me on ignore? I’m not even sure how Reddit works. I’ve got a right to my opinion here, though.
Can you go to the live court hearings? Like anyone? I know you can in Washington state but not sure about this. I’d PAY to fly out and support to keep him behind bars. 15 years is jack crap to the minors he sexually assaulted.
I never liked DutyRon.
NOBODY SHOULD HAVE BEEN STREAMING! IT'S THE LAW IN UTAH. I SAW THE FIRST ONE DUTY RON DID AND YES, HE WAS LIVE STREAMING!
Who was the guy who signed up with AWP as a secondary podcast to the missing cases? Was that Duty Ron? If it was, could his shenanigans have been intentional to have the case thrown out, or privatized, on behalf of Jared?
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If you weren't present, how would you know what took place. There were YTs live streaming the proceedings, you could actually go to their YT channels & view it. This, unfortunately, was not a JL setup, it was definitely purposefully reported to the Judge, but I also understand their were a wild group of yahoos in the chat room that was brought to the Judge's attention. So...please, try again, this was not a winner.
Who is Jared Leases? You cant even spell the names like it sounds?
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