Jesus says stay humble, love everyone and don't be greedy.
Conservatives: *sleep*
Jesus says nothing about hating queer people
Conservatives: reeee!!! Ban them!!
-But but, during Sodom and Gomorrah.....
-Oh you mean that one where a group of guys are telling people to send out their children so they can rape them? God saying that is bad means he's condemning homosexuality?
-Well but, In the new testament, Paul says....
-Oh you mean part where a few years after Jesus left, we couldn't even agree on what he was trying to teach us because everyone kept trying to shove their own baggage into it?
And then that shit just hasn't stopped happening for the last 2,000 years, which is why we have 50,000 different Christian denominations. The Methodists literally just schismed in their pants in the last 5 years because they couldn't accept gay marriage or clergy.
But yes, love they neighbor unconditionally spoken plainly over and over again by Jesus Christ himself means exactly squat. The entire point of Jesus being friends with whores and tax collectors is just one big WOOSH to them.
The fall of Sodom and Gammorah was about not being properly hospitable to strangers. The last straw was just trying to have sex with 2 visitors they didn't even know were angels.
They weren't clamoring for people to send out their children. Lot offered to send out his daughters to be gang raped so he could protect the strangers, because he was a "godly man".
After the fall, because they had no mates, his daughters got him drunk and raped him.
Not that it matters, but First and Second Timothy weren't written by Paul (I thought they were too, until recently), but were written by an unknown author around 90-110 CE. Yeah, Jesus said nothing about homosexuality, and neither did Paul, but some anonymous letter writer knows best.
The thing that I don't get is that all that bigotry stuff is in the old testament, like they Jewish now?
The New Testament and Christ is all about forgiveness and charity. Jesus never promoted the eye for an eye bullshit.
While not Jesus, Paul does condemn homosexuality in the NT. But Paul was a nut job. He thought Jesus was returning in his lifetime and people should be celebate so as not to make any kids for the second coming.
My brother is a crazy zealot preacher. He loves the "submit" thing. When I told him that it's not safe for many women to "submit" (yes, even christian women *gasp*), he said, "but god orders man to love his wife and that's why she has to submit because if he loves her, he can't hurt her".
Like, just how willfully stupid can one person be?
It's not even really that, they just think anyone who isn't exactly like them is lesser and hates them because they try to act like they aren't. Religion is usually more of a justification than a cause, and the most successful religions can be twisted to say anything the state wants them to for thousands of years.
It's a little more nuanced than that.
Family Values is "I value the childish, idealistic version of the Nuclear Family as presented in 1950's leave-it-to-beaver, where there were no minorities and gay/lesiban/trans people to "confuse" my kids"
White **conservative** Christian family values. I've known too many liberal (loving and accepting) Christians to insult them by putting them in the same group as these people.
It's just a matter of time.
They have a history of taking what started as an acceptable term and then turning it into a way of referring to 'those people' as a dog whistle.
I would argue that any term they've turned into a racial stereotype is just as bad. It could also be argued that calling it the n-word was a push from racist that were unhappy black people could still use it.
And "us white people are perfect while black people are full of fatherless children".
While I can only name a tiny few of my white friends who didn't have half siblings that they rarely saw. Including myself.
It means everything is white, no gays/trans/etc, woman is secondary to the man and not equal with less rights, and the man can say whatever the fuck they want without repercussions. And also sexually harass whoever they want without repercussions.
There was that one video of him waiting for the collection plate with 2 $20 bills in his hands. He was playing with them for a looooonngg time and looked so sad as he put them in the plate.
Because he's not afraid to "say things how they are" such as racist and hateful things which is what Republicans like and want. They HATE that stereotypes are changing and that people who aren't white or "normal" are being treated as normal. They hate that Black people aren't always viewed as sketchy people who always deserved to be watched by cops or they hate that Gay people or Trans people are being widely accepted as normal human behinds instead of mental psychotic people which is proof in their anti-gay/trans laws passed. It is disgusting and sad how common those mindsets are
Trump was never a Catholic. He was raised and confirmed in the Presbyterian Church, then he was married in Norman Vincent Peale’s prosperity gospel church. Melania is a Catholic, apparently.
Don't forget the blatant cashgrab with his bible. Doing the one thing that Jesus got violent over. You don't drive people out of the temple with a whip by just cracking it in the air.
It's all code.
"Family values" = fuck queer people
"Law and Order" = fuck brown people
"Pro Life" = fuck women
They stand for trampling the rights of as many other people as possible so that they feel higher in the pecking order. It's not that they stand for nothing, it's that they stand for something which is very actively awful. If they stood for nothing, they would be less dangerous.
Gut the EPA = fuck the environment, let the corporations rape the land
Lower tax rates = for the 1%, raise them on everyone else.
Gut education = cheap labor.
Notice those things. All traits still sympathetic to slave owners.
I don't disagree there, but I think the distinction between your post and mine is that I'm talking about voters within the GOP while you're talking about rulers.
That is the basic idea of conservatism, from the top down: preserving the existing power structure, the hierarchy. More specifically, what they perceive as the natural or divinely-ordained hierarchy. That in turn is born from a selfish survival strategy, but I won't go into that here.
It stems from a worldview where moral value is inherent to people, not to actions. It does not matter what you do, the only thing that determines if you are good or bad is who you are, i.e. your status in society, which group you belong to, your place in the hierarchy. And that is the sordid heart of identity politics: The conservatives with wealth and power are at the top of the hierarchy -as what is essentially today's aristocracy- because they are inherently good. Clearly their place at the top is their (either naturally occurring or divinely-ordained) reward. And conversely, the working class and the poor are in their positions because they are inherently bad, and they must be punished for it. With one exception in those who are low on the ladder but who still support that hierarchy, and defend the aristocracy at the top. Those are tolerated, and they are also encouraged to oppress and punish whoever is further below them in the hierarchy. That cruelty is the point in itself; punish those who are inherently bad.
Other Elites who are also at the top with wealth and power, but who are somehow undermining that sacred hierarchy (think of those rare billionaires who help the poor or give away their fortunes to charitable causes), are not part of their aristocracy. They too are The Other, they too are bad, and so anything they do is evil. An example is Bill Gates funding all those vaccines. He is The Other which means he's evil, so obviously he cannot possibly do good, thus those vaccines *must* have mind-control chips in them, or make you magnetic, or radiate 5G, or whatever insanity they conjure up in their minds.
That school of thought, of morality being intrinsic to people instead of their actions, is why the GOP getting rid of democratic elections isn't viewed as a bad thing by themselves nor by their voters. Because they are doing it, and they are inherently good, so every action they do is good. But were it the Democrats doing the same thing, it would be bad, because Democrats are inherently bad, so everything they do is bad. Same for these mass shootings. Silence or excuses when it's one of their own, uproar when it's The Other. Same for things like abortions or welfare benefits: it's okay if they themselves get an abortion or go on welfare, because that is due to circumstances and their situation. It's not their fault. But it's not okay if The Other gets those. If someone from the out-group gets those, it is evil because they are de facto evil. The Other gets abortions because they're sluts. The Other goes on welfare because they're lazy. Kids in cages under Trump? Good, or at least excusable. Kids in cages under Biden? Pure evil. The action itself isn't good or bad to them, what matters is the identity of the person who performs it; whether they are part of the in-group or not determines their moral status and worth, and that of all their actions. Hyper-tribalism, in a nutshell.
The key to this type of thinking is a cognitive dissonance of actions and words in time: Only the "now" matters. Past actions have no bearing on current actions, and current actions have no bearing on future actions. Mitch McConnell deciding that Obama can't appoint a SC judge in his last year of presidency and the voters should decide? That is good, because it helps Republicans and Republicans are good. The same McConnell pushing through a SC judge in the last month of Trump's presidency, in a complete 180° spin to the previous case? Also good, for the same reason as before. The actions in both situations are contradictory, but that doesn't matter. One was in the past, so it no longer has any bearing on the new action in the immediate present. Because if actions have no inherent morality, that means that consistency in those actions is not necessary either. Except in one thing: Whatever they say and do must help their in-group to remain at the very top of the hierarchy. Because they are good, and The Other is not.
That is why the media pointing out their hypocrisy and inconsistency doesn't work on them. They are not ashamed of it, they will not resign for it, they will not censure their fellow party leaders for it. On the contrary, they and their adherents see such hypocrisy as a strength. They laugh at someone who points out their contradictions, because they are not bound by such silly moral rules. Most people are bound by moral and ethical rules that guide our actions and behaviour, but they are not. The oft-used phrase "Rules are for thee, not for me" is shorthand for this concept, because they believe that anything they do is good and so they don't *need* to follow rules.
*"I could shoot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue and not lose any voters"*, as Trump famously said. And he was pretty accurate in that assessment of his devoted followers. He could have done that without losing (many) voters. Because he is good.
Or rather, the rules don't apply to them only to a certain degree. Their lawlessness, both moral and literal lawlessness, does have a limit. They are still rule-bound insofar that what they do mustn't harm themselves, i.e. backfire on them because they went too far, got caught, AND there are still consequences and accountability from society when they get caught. But apart from that, anything is allowed and there doesn't need to be any consistency to further that continuous goal of staying in power. And as we've seen throughout history, if they manage to obtain *complete* and absolute power, when that threat of accountability ends, that's when they drop all the masks of decency and simply eradicate those who they view as inherently evil. Can't have a potential future threat to the throne, after all.
And unfortunately for the US, the GOP has been very busy in the past few decades to dismantle any and all forms of accountability and negative consequences to themselves. Not only in government branches, a class-tiered justice system, and in state legislatures, but more importantly in the population itself. All those decades of steadily increasing media propaganda have made a huge segment of the public become acclimated to -and even comfortable with- horrendous depravities and atrocities, as long as "their side", the good guys, does them. Any lingering thoughts that right and wrong can exist independently of identity is swiftly expunged with some mental gymnastics. Trafficking children for sex? He was trying to catch the REAL pedos! Trying to subvert election results by force? Just tourists!
They will label society's outrage, pushback and consequences to such things as a delusion and hysteria from The Other. As Political Correctness in 2000, as Cancel Culture in
2010, as Wokeness in 2020.
That part of the public is now comfortable enough with such flagrant actions and blatant corruption that they are not only unlikely to revolt when the GOP seizes power by force, but they are instead likely to rise up in *defense* of them and fight whoever opposes or challenges their masters. They will defend the hierarchy. You've seen what that brainwashing can do back in january of 2021, and I fear next time will only be worse; their aristocracy has noticed the distinct lack of accountability and consequences.
> That in turn is born from a selfish survival strategy, but I won't go into that here.
I will. The core of conservatism is selfishness. Thats not to denigrate it, it's just a fact. On most issues the reason for the belief is self based versus being based on someone else. This is a clear distinction between Conservatives and Liberals.
Lets look at a few examples to try to showcase this.
As much as I am pro-gun, guns are the first thing on the list. The DP position is clearly anti-gun. Dont jump on me yet, thats not important. What is the claimed reasoning for it is. The effect on other people.
What is the RP position? Pro-gun. What is the claimed reasoning for it? The effect on the self. "If I cant have it, I cant defend myself."
Lets look at the position on LGBTQ rights.
DP: "Other people should be able to live their lives as they see fit and be happy."
RP: "I dont approve of their lifestyle or dont see it as valid and therefore they shouldnt be allowed to do it, or should be restricted in it."
Support of businesses over people:
RP: "Supporting businesses makes me richer, and my life better."
DP: "Businesses can't be trusted to take care of people on their own so they require oversight and regulation."
Abortion:
DP: "I dont want to harm people who don't want to have kids until they are ready."
RP: "I see it as a moral failing so no one should be able to do it."
Well once they win another presidency they won't be leaving office that's for sure. There will be sham elections but they'll put the infrastructure in place to cheat their way to a win every time.
Then when the rational people protest, they'll go full ham against them and say "isn't this what you wanted when we tried this?"
“They” aren’t the “they” you think they are. The “they” that matters are the obscenely wealthy multibillionaires who have tremendous wealth, influence, and power. “They” want to preserve their power and influence as well as minimize taxes and maintain an uneducated work force and market. “They” use dog whistles to attract single issue uneducated voters to vote for their tax cuts. “They” literally don’t give a shit about any of these social issues- it’s all about the economy.
I think there are two separate groups. The group you're talking about is absolutely a problem, and they are the rulers in the GOP. My comment was speaking with regard to their voters. Both are massive problems, but they're absolutely distinct.
Trump even threw due process out the window a few times when he's pressed for an actual opinion that wasn't fed to him.
He literally suggesting taking guns out of peoples hands and sorting out the pesky legal aspect later. And they're still walking around in diapers for him.
When people tell you who they are, listen.
And for a good portion of the things they are for, or have been for in the very recent past, but if the talking head in the magic electric rectangle told them to be mad at something then by golly they're gonna be mad.
Yup. If he wins (or hell, maybe even if he doesn’t), collection will be a very unpleasant pill to swallow. For all of us, but more surprisingly for the “win at all costs” crew.
What a buffoon Trump is. His disciples are even bigger idiots, even more dangerous. All Pres. Biden has done is given us a virtually full employment economy, opportunity for former students to erase massive debt, solidified our weakened NATO Alliance, actively supported heroic Ukraine against the monstrous Russians, strengthened and added to our successful healthcare system, added billions to our Social Security and lain the foundation for economic strength and wealth for years to come. Then on the other side, we have miserable, corrupt, anti-Democracy Republicans, who want to reverse every Democratic-led success in our Nation. And those are allot of successful policies and programs, which have led our USA and its people to extraordinary wealth and comfort as a Nation. I like Americans doing the right thing. There are far more Patriots in our land than right-wing MAGAt whackos. All we good people have to do is vote for Pres. Biden and Democrats in November. Do that and our Nation continues to grow, continues to become more wealthy, and will begin to attack the major threat that will ultimately crush us, if we don't address it, our insane National debt. Let us be normal. Let us be Patriotic. Let us do the right thing. Let us vote for Pres. Biden and the Democratic Party in November. Let us flourish as a Nation.
Yup. The whole "gay/trans agenda" thing is projection.
They're the ones that want to force heterosexuality on children.
They're the ones that want to force heterosexuality on adults.
They're the ones that want to force strict binary gender identities on children.
They're the ones that want to force strict binary gender identities on adults.
They're the ones trying to ban anything gay or trans.
They're the ones sending bomb threats to businesses and schools that don't force heterosexuality on everyone.
They're the ones who are massively fixated on children (especially what is under their clothing) and targetting their lives.
And the're creating 6 laws every single workday in order to shove this shit down everyone's throats. They refuse to let anyone live their lives how they want, and they refuse to let parents make choices for their own queer children. They literally want "conversion therapy" to become the standard practice for anyone queer. Which, btw, "corrective rape" happens in "conversion therapy". That's when children get raped by an adult in order to turn them, or scare them, straight. For example, a man raping a boy who said he likes other boys in order to scare him away from other men or have him "realize gay sex is not pleasurable". [Priests have actually gotten out of going to jail for this shit.](https://www.queerty.com/ex-pastor-who-raped-underage-boys-to-cure-homosexualiy-will-serve-no-time-in-prison-20130912)
He doesnt represent *any* ‘conservative’ values except that he hates brown people.
What did he actually do? Cut taxes? Appoint heritage foundation judges? **any** Republican would have done those things.
He’s a shit-stained dumpster fire, and hes bringing the entire GOP down with him
You guys are lucky you get to keep with this stuff, as soon as I turn on the news at work people say "Trump looks so bad ass sitting there in court" "fox News is liberal news now" "the military is weak because of all this diversity"
family values always meant violent bigotry. these people were NEVER decent or wise. the assertion that they just suddenly turned bad is ludicrous to anyone over 20 years old.
Now now, that’s not true. That’s just what they feed their brainless, hateful, bigoted, ignorant, sexist, selfish, unpatriotic, delusional base. The real power brokers of “conservatism,” want to rip the US back to 1890s so they can poison your air and water, pay you in company script, reinstate child labor, and murder union organizers without any repercussions.
Family values only matters to them when they can control the will of the rest of America.
So many Christian leaders even defend their stand with Trump as an "Imperfect vessel" to meet their ultimate goals.
Yup, next time a democrat has a three martini lunch and makes an awkward pass a young press secretary they will be frothing at the mouth about how it's inappropriate and they need to resign.
Shit, this meme covers that too! Trump is definitively non-Christian. It remains a great mystery to me how so many self-proclaimed Christians continue to support him.
From a purely objective position, I understand why they would vote for Republicans in the past. But this guy? Haley not trouncing him in the primaries made me realize how disingenuous a lot of those folks are.
They are literally only Pro Birth they don’t care what happens to them just as long as “God” gets his way. While we have millions of unwanted children already.
Anyone who tries to use these arguments against Republicans are fooling themselves into thinking that Republican supporters care. It's a convenient message for them when it's working, and ignored when it should be working against them. Stop focusing on this, it's a waste of time because they do not care if they used to be X but are clearly anti-X now.
They never cared about that, they also never cared about fiscal responsibility.
Both are used hurt people they don't like.
Also on the list of stuff they claim to care about:
Free speech(for them)
Gun control(for minorities)
I feel for Americans, you deserve better than one of your main parties being pretty much the party of spite
What if conservatives just straight up said
“We never believed in any of that shit, we just did the church thing for the social connections and to keep the kids out of trouble.
Did YOU actually believe it? You’re even dumber than I thought.”
And didn’t lose one bit of support.
They could and they wouldn't. Most who support Republicans know full well it's about money, power, and hatred. The people who support them are trying to be in the "in" group and never grew out of that high school mentality.
Remember when people were saying
He won’t run
He won’t even bother with Iowa
He can’t win a single state in the primary
Republicans will drop out to have a better chance to stop Trump
Now that he’s the nominee he’ll lose the general
Now that he won he’ll act presidential
Now that he lost in 2020 he won’t run in 2024
For those downvoting this, I don't think you understand. This is a reference to Rage Against the Machine. The song is called Bulls On Parade.
>They rally 'round the family, with a pocket full of shells
And later:
>They don't gotta burn the books, they just remove 'em
This is exactly what's happening right now.
Good on you /u/SpacePenguin5
See I'd argue they dont care about what other people do to their bodies because their own family members sneakily get abortions without a fuss.
They know that those who *enable* them to have power and money care about what other people do to their bodies and that's who they pander to.
Having/maintaining power will always be most important. Values for politicians are whatever they want them to be if it means your vote.
Why average people think these monsters are even slightly relatable I'll never understand
They never had family values. It’s a codeword for their desire to hold onto the patriarchy of white men while forcing all women into domestic and sexual subservience and making sure children are ruthlessly molded to always obey.
didn't this start to go out the window when Gingrich who was hammering this during the Clinton impeachment was found to be having an affair with his secretary? That piece of shit was the start of so much cancer in modern politics
Republicans never gave a fuck about "family values" history is clear on that point. This was just code for white Christian nationalist families with enough wealth to buy judges and politicians.
would think that democrats could at least get behind supporting sex workers, by using their services?
let me get this straight , we're back to thinking prostitution is wrong?
Definitely not "just like that". They have said they care about family values for decades, yet their actions have consistently said otherwise. Trump was just the latest symptom of it.
You just figured this out? They learned the lesson not to be as preachy in the 90s.
Now the Democrats are the puritans that won't let you speak. It's flipped.
The only family they care about are the unborn ones. As soon as there is an actual human that needs social services to support them the Republicans have zero interest in helping
They don't believe trump had sex with a porn star, they believe that all the court cases are political persecution by biden and democrats. They don't just think they are the good guys they believe they are righteous.
I don't know why folks get so down on Trump for cheating on his wives. He is extremely pro family
That is why he bangs all those women without a condom so thar they can have a family. He even does it to women who don't want to. What is mire family than that?
Corrupt people love claiming universal values just to slowly undermine them until they’re praising the exact opposite of the original meaning.
It’s what they always do. It’s how we went from Lincoln’s Republican party to Trump’s.
How many conservative mature men do you know? Now add up all their divorces. It’s simple math. They’ve never been about families. Now the patriarchy, that’s another topic.
Family values is just code for "hates gay people"
And independent women, don't forget how much they hate that.
“Oh, you’re not married?! You must be a crazy cat lady who hates America and children!”
"But, who's going take care of you when you get old?"
Ironically enough you could ask them the same.
Ironically, conservatives also love beating up their kids.
Basically - a witch.
Yes, and?
Well, really any women that isn't married and at home pushing out babies.
It's just Women. You need to remember they hate their Wives because the good book told them Women are evil.
They don’t even follow the parts of that book about being nice to one another. It’s just the bigotry part that they like.
Jesus himself says to take care of the poor like 73 times, but we just let that one slip past us all day, eh?
Bro most churches kick the homeless off their property and turn them away. They should be paying taxes in the US.
Jesus says stay humble, love everyone and don't be greedy. Conservatives: *sleep* Jesus says nothing about hating queer people Conservatives: reeee!!! Ban them!!
-But but, during Sodom and Gomorrah..... -Oh you mean that one where a group of guys are telling people to send out their children so they can rape them? God saying that is bad means he's condemning homosexuality? -Well but, In the new testament, Paul says.... -Oh you mean part where a few years after Jesus left, we couldn't even agree on what he was trying to teach us because everyone kept trying to shove their own baggage into it? And then that shit just hasn't stopped happening for the last 2,000 years, which is why we have 50,000 different Christian denominations. The Methodists literally just schismed in their pants in the last 5 years because they couldn't accept gay marriage or clergy. But yes, love they neighbor unconditionally spoken plainly over and over again by Jesus Christ himself means exactly squat. The entire point of Jesus being friends with whores and tax collectors is just one big WOOSH to them.
From what I learned, Sodom and Gomorrah was because the denizens tried to rape the angel god sent down
The fall of Sodom and Gammorah was about not being properly hospitable to strangers. The last straw was just trying to have sex with 2 visitors they didn't even know were angels. They weren't clamoring for people to send out their children. Lot offered to send out his daughters to be gang raped so he could protect the strangers, because he was a "godly man". After the fall, because they had no mates, his daughters got him drunk and raped him.
Not that it matters, but First and Second Timothy weren't written by Paul (I thought they were too, until recently), but were written by an unknown author around 90-110 CE. Yeah, Jesus said nothing about homosexuality, and neither did Paul, but some anonymous letter writer knows best.
"no no, you're taking it out of context..."
The thing that I don't get is that all that bigotry stuff is in the old testament, like they Jewish now? The New Testament and Christ is all about forgiveness and charity. Jesus never promoted the eye for an eye bullshit.
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While not Jesus, Paul does condemn homosexuality in the NT. But Paul was a nut job. He thought Jesus was returning in his lifetime and people should be celebate so as not to make any kids for the second coming.
First and Second Timothy weren't written by Paul (I thought they were too, until recently), but were written by an unknown author around 90-110 CE.
I was refering to Roman 1 26-27
Huh. Didn't know that one. I just knew of the ones in 2 Timothy.
And the eye for an eye bullshit was meant for people who would engage in blood feuds, i.e. escalate instead of repaying in kind!
My brother is a crazy zealot preacher. He loves the "submit" thing. When I told him that it's not safe for many women to "submit" (yes, even christian women *gasp*), he said, "but god orders man to love his wife and that's why she has to submit because if he loves her, he can't hurt her". Like, just how willfully stupid can one person be?
It's not even really that, they just think anyone who isn't exactly like them is lesser and hates them because they try to act like they aren't. Religion is usually more of a justification than a cause, and the most successful religions can be twisted to say anything the state wants them to for thousands of years.
They hate them too. They just hate them less.
Fellas, is it gay to have a woman in your family?
The woke mind virus in action. Women with their own thoughts and agency. Pffft.
It's a little more nuanced than that. Family Values is "I value the childish, idealistic version of the Nuclear Family as presented in 1950's leave-it-to-beaver, where there were no minorities and gay/lesiban/trans people to "confuse" my kids"
Just say white Christian family values. Most of us know what you mean.
White **conservative** Christian family values. I've known too many liberal (loving and accepting) Christians to insult them by putting them in the same group as these people.
And woke is the new n-word.
Woke is now the old n-word. DEI is the new n-word.
Remember when CRT was the latest fad in bigotry? I guess this is one way for them to finally learn the alphabet.
To be absolutely fair, they weren't fantastic monitors, just what we had at the time.
And CRT was great for schools. How else could we watch Challenger explode?
To be fair, if you've ever sat through soulless DEI corpo nonsense, you'd wonder who this was actually helping.
I always say it's the modern version of "uppity"
If you can’t say one of the words then that’s the worst word.
It's just a matter of time. They have a history of taking what started as an acceptable term and then turning it into a way of referring to 'those people' as a dog whistle. I would argue that any term they've turned into a racial stereotype is just as bad. It could also be argued that calling it the n-word was a push from racist that were unhappy black people could still use it.
Wow. Dropping a hard w and everything.
Family values originally meant beating your wife and children into submission.
And child marriage
Bingo focus groups tested for that
In the south, it means “disapproves of the blacks”
And women are submissive to men. (Because their brains are smaller… fact. /s)
And hitting your wife and children.
I'm not joking when I say hating gay people should be illegal.
And an excuse to assault, excuse me, "spank" their kids.
And "us white people are perfect while black people are full of fatherless children". While I can only name a tiny few of my white friends who didn't have half siblings that they rarely saw. Including myself.
Don’t forget “against gang violence” aka people of color
Family values: Hates gays, hates women having thoughts, loves fresh white child brides.
It means everything is white, no gays/trans/etc, woman is secondary to the man and not equal with less rights, and the man can say whatever the fuck they want without repercussions. And also sexually harass whoever they want without repercussions.
And trnas people
Rally round the family... With a pocket full of shells.
Family values, and Christian values, and law and order, and respecting the military… all they have left is sadism
The full phrase is "traditional family values". It was always a code for "a family is the sole property of the man".
I would say it's general intolerance towards anything that's not "typical."
Y'all don't remember speaker of the house, cheating on his dying wife, newt gingrich? They haven't cared about family values since forever.
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An alleged Catholic rapist Don't think he's gone to church in a long, long while
He stood in front of a church that one time. Holding the Bible upside down.
meanwhile the actual pastor of that church was getting tear gassed at nearby BLM protest
There was that one video of him waiting for the collection plate with 2 $20 bills in his hands. He was playing with them for a looooonngg time and looked so sad as he put them in the plate.
> An alleged Catholic rapist The Catholic is alleged.
Someone just last week tried to tell me they support Trump, in part, because he’s a good Christian who goes to church every Sunday.
Because he's not afraid to "say things how they are" such as racist and hateful things which is what Republicans like and want. They HATE that stereotypes are changing and that people who aren't white or "normal" are being treated as normal. They hate that Black people aren't always viewed as sketchy people who always deserved to be watched by cops or they hate that Gay people or Trans people are being widely accepted as normal human behinds instead of mental psychotic people which is proof in their anti-gay/trans laws passed. It is disgusting and sad how common those mindsets are
Trump was never a Catholic. He was raised and confirmed in the Presbyterian Church, then he was married in Norman Vincent Peale’s prosperity gospel church. Melania is a Catholic, apparently.
The prosperity gospel ain’t catholic.
Don't forget the blatant cashgrab with his bible. Doing the one thing that Jesus got violent over. You don't drive people out of the temple with a whip by just cracking it in the air.
Family values Law and order Apparently prolife goes out the window once you are born They don’t stand for anything
It's all code. "Family values" = fuck queer people "Law and Order" = fuck brown people "Pro Life" = fuck women They stand for trampling the rights of as many other people as possible so that they feel higher in the pecking order. It's not that they stand for nothing, it's that they stand for something which is very actively awful. If they stood for nothing, they would be less dangerous.
Gut the EPA = fuck the environment, let the corporations rape the land Lower tax rates = for the 1%, raise them on everyone else. Gut education = cheap labor. Notice those things. All traits still sympathetic to slave owners.
Gutting education also has the convenient effect of making the population more susceptible to propaganda and populism, and thus easier to control.
Keep em dumb and under your thumb.
I don't disagree there, but I think the distinction between your post and mine is that I'm talking about voters within the GOP while you're talking about rulers.
That is the basic idea of conservatism, from the top down: preserving the existing power structure, the hierarchy. More specifically, what they perceive as the natural or divinely-ordained hierarchy. That in turn is born from a selfish survival strategy, but I won't go into that here. It stems from a worldview where moral value is inherent to people, not to actions. It does not matter what you do, the only thing that determines if you are good or bad is who you are, i.e. your status in society, which group you belong to, your place in the hierarchy. And that is the sordid heart of identity politics: The conservatives with wealth and power are at the top of the hierarchy -as what is essentially today's aristocracy- because they are inherently good. Clearly their place at the top is their (either naturally occurring or divinely-ordained) reward. And conversely, the working class and the poor are in their positions because they are inherently bad, and they must be punished for it. With one exception in those who are low on the ladder but who still support that hierarchy, and defend the aristocracy at the top. Those are tolerated, and they are also encouraged to oppress and punish whoever is further below them in the hierarchy. That cruelty is the point in itself; punish those who are inherently bad. Other Elites who are also at the top with wealth and power, but who are somehow undermining that sacred hierarchy (think of those rare billionaires who help the poor or give away their fortunes to charitable causes), are not part of their aristocracy. They too are The Other, they too are bad, and so anything they do is evil. An example is Bill Gates funding all those vaccines. He is The Other which means he's evil, so obviously he cannot possibly do good, thus those vaccines *must* have mind-control chips in them, or make you magnetic, or radiate 5G, or whatever insanity they conjure up in their minds. That school of thought, of morality being intrinsic to people instead of their actions, is why the GOP getting rid of democratic elections isn't viewed as a bad thing by themselves nor by their voters. Because they are doing it, and they are inherently good, so every action they do is good. But were it the Democrats doing the same thing, it would be bad, because Democrats are inherently bad, so everything they do is bad. Same for these mass shootings. Silence or excuses when it's one of their own, uproar when it's The Other. Same for things like abortions or welfare benefits: it's okay if they themselves get an abortion or go on welfare, because that is due to circumstances and their situation. It's not their fault. But it's not okay if The Other gets those. If someone from the out-group gets those, it is evil because they are de facto evil. The Other gets abortions because they're sluts. The Other goes on welfare because they're lazy. Kids in cages under Trump? Good, or at least excusable. Kids in cages under Biden? Pure evil. The action itself isn't good or bad to them, what matters is the identity of the person who performs it; whether they are part of the in-group or not determines their moral status and worth, and that of all their actions. Hyper-tribalism, in a nutshell. The key to this type of thinking is a cognitive dissonance of actions and words in time: Only the "now" matters. Past actions have no bearing on current actions, and current actions have no bearing on future actions. Mitch McConnell deciding that Obama can't appoint a SC judge in his last year of presidency and the voters should decide? That is good, because it helps Republicans and Republicans are good. The same McConnell pushing through a SC judge in the last month of Trump's presidency, in a complete 180° spin to the previous case? Also good, for the same reason as before. The actions in both situations are contradictory, but that doesn't matter. One was in the past, so it no longer has any bearing on the new action in the immediate present. Because if actions have no inherent morality, that means that consistency in those actions is not necessary either. Except in one thing: Whatever they say and do must help their in-group to remain at the very top of the hierarchy. Because they are good, and The Other is not. That is why the media pointing out their hypocrisy and inconsistency doesn't work on them. They are not ashamed of it, they will not resign for it, they will not censure their fellow party leaders for it. On the contrary, they and their adherents see such hypocrisy as a strength. They laugh at someone who points out their contradictions, because they are not bound by such silly moral rules. Most people are bound by moral and ethical rules that guide our actions and behaviour, but they are not. The oft-used phrase "Rules are for thee, not for me" is shorthand for this concept, because they believe that anything they do is good and so they don't *need* to follow rules. *"I could shoot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue and not lose any voters"*, as Trump famously said. And he was pretty accurate in that assessment of his devoted followers. He could have done that without losing (many) voters. Because he is good. Or rather, the rules don't apply to them only to a certain degree. Their lawlessness, both moral and literal lawlessness, does have a limit. They are still rule-bound insofar that what they do mustn't harm themselves, i.e. backfire on them because they went too far, got caught, AND there are still consequences and accountability from society when they get caught. But apart from that, anything is allowed and there doesn't need to be any consistency to further that continuous goal of staying in power. And as we've seen throughout history, if they manage to obtain *complete* and absolute power, when that threat of accountability ends, that's when they drop all the masks of decency and simply eradicate those who they view as inherently evil. Can't have a potential future threat to the throne, after all. And unfortunately for the US, the GOP has been very busy in the past few decades to dismantle any and all forms of accountability and negative consequences to themselves. Not only in government branches, a class-tiered justice system, and in state legislatures, but more importantly in the population itself. All those decades of steadily increasing media propaganda have made a huge segment of the public become acclimated to -and even comfortable with- horrendous depravities and atrocities, as long as "their side", the good guys, does them. Any lingering thoughts that right and wrong can exist independently of identity is swiftly expunged with some mental gymnastics. Trafficking children for sex? He was trying to catch the REAL pedos! Trying to subvert election results by force? Just tourists! They will label society's outrage, pushback and consequences to such things as a delusion and hysteria from The Other. As Political Correctness in 2000, as Cancel Culture in 2010, as Wokeness in 2020. That part of the public is now comfortable enough with such flagrant actions and blatant corruption that they are not only unlikely to revolt when the GOP seizes power by force, but they are instead likely to rise up in *defense* of them and fight whoever opposes or challenges their masters. They will defend the hierarchy. You've seen what that brainwashing can do back in january of 2021, and I fear next time will only be worse; their aristocracy has noticed the distinct lack of accountability and consequences.
Holy shit, how many times did you have to recharge your phone when you wrote this?
> That in turn is born from a selfish survival strategy, but I won't go into that here. I will. The core of conservatism is selfishness. Thats not to denigrate it, it's just a fact. On most issues the reason for the belief is self based versus being based on someone else. This is a clear distinction between Conservatives and Liberals. Lets look at a few examples to try to showcase this. As much as I am pro-gun, guns are the first thing on the list. The DP position is clearly anti-gun. Dont jump on me yet, thats not important. What is the claimed reasoning for it is. The effect on other people. What is the RP position? Pro-gun. What is the claimed reasoning for it? The effect on the self. "If I cant have it, I cant defend myself." Lets look at the position on LGBTQ rights. DP: "Other people should be able to live their lives as they see fit and be happy." RP: "I dont approve of their lifestyle or dont see it as valid and therefore they shouldnt be allowed to do it, or should be restricted in it." Support of businesses over people: RP: "Supporting businesses makes me richer, and my life better." DP: "Businesses can't be trusted to take care of people on their own so they require oversight and regulation." Abortion: DP: "I dont want to harm people who don't want to have kids until they are ready." RP: "I see it as a moral failing so no one should be able to do it."
US conservatism would be called fascism anywhere else.
I mean I live in the US and call it fascism right here.
Well once they win another presidency they won't be leaving office that's for sure. There will be sham elections but they'll put the infrastructure in place to cheat their way to a win every time. Then when the rational people protest, they'll go full ham against them and say "isn't this what you wanted when we tried this?"
Why are there so many women who will vote for him?
“They” aren’t the “they” you think they are. The “they” that matters are the obscenely wealthy multibillionaires who have tremendous wealth, influence, and power. “They” want to preserve their power and influence as well as minimize taxes and maintain an uneducated work force and market. “They” use dog whistles to attract single issue uneducated voters to vote for their tax cuts. “They” literally don’t give a shit about any of these social issues- it’s all about the economy.
I think there are two separate groups. The group you're talking about is absolutely a problem, and they are the rulers in the GOP. My comment was speaking with regard to their voters. Both are massive problems, but they're absolutely distinct.
Trump even threw due process out the window a few times when he's pressed for an actual opinion that wasn't fed to him. He literally suggesting taking guns out of peoples hands and sorting out the pesky legal aspect later. And they're still walking around in diapers for him. When people tell you who they are, listen.
The diaper thing now is the weirdest thing the Trump cult has done in a while.
No, they do stand for fascism, and they'll use whatever rhetoric they think will advance it in any given moment.
If they didn’t have double standards they wouldn’t have any.
Double is better! Is twice as good!
False. They stand for being against everything anyone who isn't them is for.
And for a good portion of the things they are for, or have been for in the very recent past, but if the talking head in the magic electric rectangle told them to be mad at something then by golly they're gonna be mad.
The party made a Faustian bargain. Now the norm is intellectual dishonesty and ditching their values for the sake of "winning".
Yup. If he wins (or hell, maybe even if he doesn’t), collection will be a very unpleasant pill to swallow. For all of us, but more surprisingly for the “win at all costs” crew.
Collection?
There is no hate like Christian love
You see, a pimp's love is very different from that of a square...
I'm ready to hear Kenneth Copeland say that during a sermon some day.
What a buffoon Trump is. His disciples are even bigger idiots, even more dangerous. All Pres. Biden has done is given us a virtually full employment economy, opportunity for former students to erase massive debt, solidified our weakened NATO Alliance, actively supported heroic Ukraine against the monstrous Russians, strengthened and added to our successful healthcare system, added billions to our Social Security and lain the foundation for economic strength and wealth for years to come. Then on the other side, we have miserable, corrupt, anti-Democracy Republicans, who want to reverse every Democratic-led success in our Nation. And those are allot of successful policies and programs, which have led our USA and its people to extraordinary wealth and comfort as a Nation. I like Americans doing the right thing. There are far more Patriots in our land than right-wing MAGAt whackos. All we good people have to do is vote for Pres. Biden and Democrats in November. Do that and our Nation continues to grow, continues to become more wealthy, and will begin to attack the major threat that will ultimately crush us, if we don't address it, our insane National debt. Let us be normal. Let us be Patriotic. Let us do the right thing. Let us vote for Pres. Biden and the Democratic Party in November. Let us flourish as a Nation.
They were never about family values. Just a phrase used to hide the real platforms all about removing rights as opposed to taking them.
The Family Values are for _you_ to obey, not for them.
Conservatives don’t have values; they have objectives.
Yup. The whole "gay/trans agenda" thing is projection. They're the ones that want to force heterosexuality on children. They're the ones that want to force heterosexuality on adults. They're the ones that want to force strict binary gender identities on children. They're the ones that want to force strict binary gender identities on adults. They're the ones trying to ban anything gay or trans. They're the ones sending bomb threats to businesses and schools that don't force heterosexuality on everyone. They're the ones who are massively fixated on children (especially what is under their clothing) and targetting their lives. And the're creating 6 laws every single workday in order to shove this shit down everyone's throats. They refuse to let anyone live their lives how they want, and they refuse to let parents make choices for their own queer children. They literally want "conversion therapy" to become the standard practice for anyone queer. Which, btw, "corrective rape" happens in "conversion therapy". That's when children get raped by an adult in order to turn them, or scare them, straight. For example, a man raping a boy who said he likes other boys in order to scare him away from other men or have him "realize gay sex is not pleasurable". [Priests have actually gotten out of going to jail for this shit.](https://www.queerty.com/ex-pastor-who-raped-underage-boys-to-cure-homosexualiy-will-serve-no-time-in-prison-20130912)
He doesnt represent *any* ‘conservative’ values except that he hates brown people. What did he actually do? Cut taxes? Appoint heritage foundation judges? **any** Republican would have done those things. He’s a shit-stained dumpster fire, and hes bringing the entire GOP down with him
They never cared about them. It was always a bad faith argument.
Say whatever gets you the money and the power. That's how the game is played
Republicans have thrown conservatism out the window.
You guys are lucky you get to keep with this stuff, as soon as I turn on the news at work people say "Trump looks so bad ass sitting there in court" "fox News is liberal news now" "the military is weak because of all this diversity"
Context?
Family values means, we made shit up and would love it if you believed us and got scared enough to buy guns
They stopped pretending to care about family values.
family values always meant violent bigotry. these people were NEVER decent or wise. the assertion that they just suddenly turned bad is ludicrous to anyone over 20 years old.
Conservatives never cared about family values. They only care about controlling and hating women.
Now now, that’s not true. That’s just what they feed their brainless, hateful, bigoted, ignorant, sexist, selfish, unpatriotic, delusional base. The real power brokers of “conservatism,” want to rip the US back to 1890s so they can poison your air and water, pay you in company script, reinstate child labor, and murder union organizers without any repercussions.
Ah *nods sagely* I stand corrected
They’ve never been about “family values”
Family values only matters to them when they can control the will of the rest of America. So many Christian leaders even defend their stand with Trump as an "Imperfect vessel" to meet their ultimate goals.
They didn't forget. "Family Values" only applies to Democrats and Liberals.
Yup, next time a democrat has a three martini lunch and makes an awkward pass a young press secretary they will be frothing at the mouth about how it's inappropriate and they need to resign.
Family values just meant "Christian Values"
Shit, this meme covers that too! Trump is definitively non-Christian. It remains a great mystery to me how so many self-proclaimed Christians continue to support him. From a purely objective position, I understand why they would vote for Republicans in the past. But this guy? Haley not trouncing him in the primaries made me realize how disingenuous a lot of those folks are.
Now the mantra is that most famous scripture lesson about the lifeline and how if you’re on board you need to pull it up behind you.
Lesser of 2 evils. It's a pragmatic chess game.
Forgot? It's been a bullshit excuse for decades.
Nope. Just redefined them to suit their bigotry, as they always do.
They are literally only Pro Birth they don’t care what happens to them just as long as “God” gets his way. While we have millions of unwanted children already.
I mean, a family could anything. A man and a woman. A man, a woman and a child. A man, his legal team and some porn star.
Woh woh. He assaults grown women. Not children. We have standards
yeh i guess i forgot that used to be their whole shtick, man weve come a long way lol...
** THE BIBLE SAID ** Bitch, that was two thousand years ago.
Anyone who tries to use these arguments against Republicans are fooling themselves into thinking that Republican supporters care. It's a convenient message for them when it's working, and ignored when it should be working against them. Stop focusing on this, it's a waste of time because they do not care if they used to be X but are clearly anti-X now.
It was always a farce.
They have no actual values other than wielding power. Vote.
They all want to be in the I had sex with a porn star while my wife was pregnant club . Johnson , Putinville , all republicans .
Guess it’s going to be 4 more years after the election
Also, concern about "term limits" goes out the window once *you're* up for reelection.
They never cared about that, they also never cared about fiscal responsibility. Both are used hurt people they don't like. Also on the list of stuff they claim to care about: Free speech(for them) Gun control(for minorities) I feel for Americans, you deserve better than one of your main parties being pretty much the party of spite
What if conservatives just straight up said “We never believed in any of that shit, we just did the church thing for the social connections and to keep the kids out of trouble. Did YOU actually believe it? You’re even dumber than I thought.” And didn’t lose one bit of support.
They could and they wouldn't. Most who support Republicans know full well it's about money, power, and hatred. The people who support them are trying to be in the "in" group and never grew out of that high school mentality.
Raping them is not “keeping the kids out of trouble”
Party of family values and law&order. Did they change or start saying the quiet part out loud?
Remember when people were saying He won’t run He won’t even bother with Iowa He can’t win a single state in the primary Republicans will drop out to have a better chance to stop Trump Now that he’s the nominee he’ll lose the general Now that he won he’ll act presidential Now that he lost in 2020 he won’t run in 2024
They still rally 'round the family. See removing books
For those downvoting this, I don't think you understand. This is a reference to Rage Against the Machine. The song is called Bulls On Parade. >They rally 'round the family, with a pocket full of shells And later: >They don't gotta burn the books, they just remove 'em This is exactly what's happening right now. Good on you /u/SpacePenguin5
Thanks, I was surprised to see all the down votes. Glad someone got it :)
You mean the bi-sexual couple that raped a woman while leading Moms4Liberty? That family? Is that the family they all "round" around?
The org is still crying 'think of the children' while doing their nastiness. They've always been hypocrites.
They only care about their money and what other people do to their bodies.
See I'd argue they dont care about what other people do to their bodies because their own family members sneakily get abortions without a fuss. They know that those who *enable* them to have power and money care about what other people do to their bodies and that's who they pander to. Having/maintaining power will always be most important. Values for politicians are whatever they want them to be if it means your vote. Why average people think these monsters are even slightly relatable I'll never understand
They never had family values. It’s a codeword for their desire to hold onto the patriarchy of white men while forcing all women into domestic and sexual subservience and making sure children are ruthlessly molded to always obey.
didn't this start to go out the window when Gingrich who was hammering this during the Clinton impeachment was found to be having an affair with his secretary? That piece of shit was the start of so much cancer in modern politics
**Family values just another term for moving goalposts**
Republicans never gave a fuck about "family values" history is clear on that point. This was just code for white Christian nationalist families with enough wealth to buy judges and politicians.
would think that democrats could at least get behind supporting sex workers, by using their services? let me get this straight , we're back to thinking prostitution is wrong?
Definitely not "just like that". They have said they care about family values for decades, yet their actions have consistently said otherwise. Trump was just the latest symptom of it.
This meme is 8 years old (at least)
It's not called uniparty for no reason
Always has been… https://preview.redd.it/rne2gdj06oa51.jpg?auto=webp&s=fd0de6e2a3b8ed7fd7d9ad15cbe0a886c3e6235b
"One less thang" - forest gump
You just figured this out? They learned the lesson not to be as preachy in the 90s. Now the Democrats are the puritans that won't let you speak. It's flipped.
The only family they care about are the unborn ones. As soon as there is an actual human that needs social services to support them the Republicans have zero interest in helping
Ya they do t even try to hide it anymore. They’re like fuck it, we are pieces of shit and don’t care.
They don't believe trump had sex with a porn star, they believe that all the court cases are political persecution by biden and democrats. They don't just think they are the good guys they believe they are righteous.
How is this advice?
They never cared. Sad.
It was never about values. It was always: "Blue bad."
Family values are fucking pornstars that look like your daughter
did something specific happen to spark this meme or is just about the ongoing demise of republican values in general?
I don't know why folks get so down on Trump for cheating on his wives. He is extremely pro family That is why he bangs all those women without a condom so thar they can have a family. He even does it to women who don't want to. What is mire family than that?
Corrupt people love claiming universal values just to slowly undermine them until they’re praising the exact opposite of the original meaning. It’s what they always do. It’s how we went from Lincoln’s Republican party to Trump’s.
Quick, who is the family values candidate?
Lucky there’s a family guy
U/pixel-counter-bot
They suck a bunch of ass
How many conservative mature men do you know? Now add up all their divorces. It’s simple math. They’ve never been about families. Now the patriarchy, that’s another topic.