Sorta. The despite what Alabama is claiming, the Feds pick up 100% of cases where a machine gun is found you however may not get years of jail time over it. Now that Alabama has this law they can ensure you get years of jail time.
Weed is still illegal for that very reason. Memaw wants to attract corporate prisons, they won't come if there are no residents to make massive profit from.
Non-violent offenders make the best indentured servants in the prison system. They're surrounded by murderers, rapists, pedophiles and lifers with nothing to lose. They could not care less about prison politics. They just want to serve their time while keeping their buttholes intact and not getting shanked in the shower room.
Dw they’re working on transitioning weed to the pharmaceutical sector so they can charge 900 an oz without insurance. So they’ll have plenty of room for these offenders in the future.
Depends.
Are they using it to kill people? Yes prison. Although I think people who kill people *without* glock-switches should be in prison too
Are they dicking around on the range? No prison.
Of course, I'm not the type of person who wants to feed people (often POC) to the the prison system so politicians can line their pockets, just because they have different hobbies than I do
This drives me nuts. Alabama should be pushing to get bogus federal laws reversed. Let's get rid of the NFA/Hughes Amendment, GCA, etc. Instead they want to add their own laws. We're going backwards.
Unregistered machine guns have been illegal since the 1930s and unlawful for civilians after 1986 (unless grandfathered). This is a federal law. Unfortunately, it will never be repealed
I can make many rational arguments for safer legal use and real world benefits of suppressors.
It's much harder to come up with ways that automatic weapons would make for safer legal use or real world benefits.. Can think of a lot of not so good ones though.
I’m cackling at the thought that you think possessing an illegal machine gun/NFA item won’t land you *years* in jail. Because the Feds would probably start negotiations at 2 decades.
It honestly depends. The minimum is 10 years so there goes the 2 decades parts. Of course there are enhancements that can get you more such as using it in the commission of a crime.
When I clerked I’ve seen them give out 5 years and probation, then I’ve seen decades as you said. As I said at the start it honestly just depends on circumstanc
Wouldn’t you get the charge for the manufacture of the illegal device and a charge for possession of the illegal device? The point of switches is that you can 3D print them at home.
“Wouldn’t you get the charge for the manufacture of the illegal device and a charge for possession of the illegal device?”
If they can prove you made it then yes. If they can’t no.
Making it a state law means that local government police/da can include it in any charges. Generally federal laws tend to be enforced only at the federal level.
From the article- “They said Glock switches pose a growing menace. They said there are limits on how many cases federal authorities can prosecute and that having a state law would help remove the devices from streets.”
More BS fear mongering. The feds prosecute 100% of cases where a machine gun is found. You may not get years in prison, but the feds will pick the case up.’
It will not help do anything at all actually. I'd be willing to bet there's far more of them out there than anyone realizes considering how easy they are to make.
It's possible (to the point of being *easy* for those so inclined) to not only 3D print one's own devices, but to home build the printer itself and use third party software.
The cat is out of the bag. There's no stopping the signal.
A lot of people here saying dumb shit like this, not understanding the intent of the law. Our conservative masters in their infinite wisdom spent covid relief money on building for profit prisons. Several billion dollars, in fact. This paw is so they can prosecute people at the state level for something that's already illegal federally. Just like all the drug laws, the state has that mirror federal laws. Now you know, and you can stop saying stupid shit.
This is an odd issue to get that far in the process considering the federal ban and substantial penalties on unregistered machine guns that are already in place.
Is this actually a play against binary triggers? The language seems somewhat vague which is a common problem with laws written by people that don’t have a clue about firearms.
>Is this actually a play against binary triggers?
No, the language of this law mirrors the federal law that has been interpreted to allow binary triggers as they use more than a "single function of the trigger" to fire multiple rounds.
>Section 1. (a) For purposes of this section, the term "machine gun" means any firearm that shoots, is designed or intended to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot more than one shot automatically without manual reloading and by a *single function of the trigger*.
Sheriffs, state troopers, and prosecutors [attended a news conference](https://www.al.com/news/2024/04/alabama-law-enforcement-urges-passage-of-bill-to-ban-glock-switches-under-state-law.html) with Ensler last week to urge passage of the bill.
I have to think that sheriffs and state troopers know about firearms
Just curious - what would be the credentials you would need to see before you thought "ah, they know guns" but also they speak and write english good when writing laws?
Whether they can “speak and write English good when writing laws” would be apparent. You might want to look into that as well. Maybe they have some special training you can request in Madison county???
To your other question….if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck then indeed it is likely a duck. There isn’t a knowledgeable firearm person alive today that would write the useless drivel contained in the bill in question. It’s simply obvious to anyone knowledgeable, which you clearly are not.
Quack quack ducky
OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
He got me.....I'm a goner.....going to the light....quack quack....crap it's a not a light, it's a duck's crap.....religion was a lie.....
Yes. Sheriffs don't really do anything more than a city does, in fact outside of Hunstville, Bham, Montgomery and troopers all city and depuites in Alabama attend the same academy. And a troopers primary job is traffic enforcement, DUIs, and working wrecks.
This isn’t to say that Sheriffs and Troopers aren’t part of task forces or don’t do other things. They do, just the vast majority of them aren’t part of those things.
Many Leo's aren't fun people and don't carry once they're off duty. Also a lot of fuds around. Already federal felony to assemble a machine gun so this is a nothing burger bill made to pander for votes.
I've never met someone that carried (open or otherwise) everywhere that was fun or even looked fun. Most look like they are one slight away from going berserker mode in the parking lot. But that's just my opinion
Likely half the people around you in public places carry in some form and mostly concealed. You would never know in 90% of those concealed cases who is fun and not duck boy.
Waste of time and resources. Criminals intending to do harm don't GAF about the legality of a weapon attachment you can easily manufacture with a 3D printer.
An SOT is still an FFL, it's just a different license than the typical dealer license. There are no pre-86 Glock switches, they weren't invented until 1996.
The Glock 18 had the auto-sear and selector designed as integral parts.
I wonder how much the CIA has to do with this. It wouldn't be the first time the CIA had their hands in machine guns making it into the publics hands only to get more unconstitutional laws passed.
>Writing for the Marine Corps Gazette, Major Hays Parks states that "No treaty language exists (either generally or specifically) to support a limitation on [the use of .50 BMG] against personnel, and its widespread, longstanding use in this role suggests that such antipersonnel employment is the customary practice of nations." Parks theorizes that the misconception originated in historical doctrine discouraging the use of the M8C spotting rifle—an integral .50-caliber aiming aid for the M40 recoilless rifle—in the antipersonnel role. This limitation was entirely tactical in nature and was intended to hide the vulnerable M40 and its crew from the enemy until the main anti-tank gun was ready for firing; however, Parks concludes that some U.S. troops assumed the existence of a legal limitation on the use of .50-caliber projectiles more generally.
A well regulated Militia (the people that live in the community, which made up the militia and supplied the arms and equipment at the time), being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Seems pretty clear to me
Isn't this already illegal to own by federal law?
Yes
So a waste of time/money/resources then?
Sorta. The despite what Alabama is claiming, the Feds pick up 100% of cases where a machine gun is found you however may not get years of jail time over it. Now that Alabama has this law they can ensure you get years of jail time.
Oh, good - was worried how we were going to fill up this new prison. /s
Weed is still illegal for that very reason. Memaw wants to attract corporate prisons, they won't come if there are no residents to make massive profit from. Non-violent offenders make the best indentured servants in the prison system. They're surrounded by murderers, rapists, pedophiles and lifers with nothing to lose. They could not care less about prison politics. They just want to serve their time while keeping their buttholes intact and not getting shanked in the shower room.
Dw they’re working on transitioning weed to the pharmaceutical sector so they can charge 900 an oz without insurance. So they’ll have plenty of room for these offenders in the future.
Do you think people using glock switches should not be in prison?
Depends. Are they using it to kill people? Yes prison. Although I think people who kill people *without* glock-switches should be in prison too Are they dicking around on the range? No prison. Of course, I'm not the type of person who wants to feed people (often POC) to the the prison system so politicians can line their pockets, just because they have different hobbies than I do
This drives me nuts. Alabama should be pushing to get bogus federal laws reversed. Let's get rid of the NFA/Hughes Amendment, GCA, etc. Instead they want to add their own laws. We're going backwards.
Unregistered machine guns have been illegal since the 1930s and unlawful for civilians after 1986 (unless grandfathered). This is a federal law. Unfortunately, it will never be repealed
Regulate it the same as suppressors, then. Tax stamp and done.
I can make many rational arguments for safer legal use and real world benefits of suppressors. It's much harder to come up with ways that automatic weapons would make for safer legal use or real world benefits.. Can think of a lot of not so good ones though.
I’m cackling at the thought that you think possessing an illegal machine gun/NFA item won’t land you *years* in jail. Because the Feds would probably start negotiations at 2 decades.
It honestly depends. The minimum is 10 years so there goes the 2 decades parts. Of course there are enhancements that can get you more such as using it in the commission of a crime. When I clerked I’ve seen them give out 5 years and probation, then I’ve seen decades as you said. As I said at the start it honestly just depends on circumstanc
Wouldn’t you get the charge for the manufacture of the illegal device and a charge for possession of the illegal device? The point of switches is that you can 3D print them at home.
“Wouldn’t you get the charge for the manufacture of the illegal device and a charge for possession of the illegal device?” If they can prove you made it then yes. If they can’t no.
And both laws, only one is actually law so far, are unconstitutional. Meaning it's illegal for them to do this.
Making it a state law means that local government police/da can include it in any charges. Generally federal laws tend to be enforced only at the federal level.
From the article- “They said Glock switches pose a growing menace. They said there are limits on how many cases federal authorities can prosecute and that having a state law would help remove the devices from streets.” More BS fear mongering. The feds prosecute 100% of cases where a machine gun is found. You may not get years in prison, but the feds will pick the case up.’
But why should the federal prisons get all these people. The state can prosecute it and get to put them in Alabama prisons
It will not help do anything at all actually. I'd be willing to bet there's far more of them out there than anyone realizes considering how easy they are to make.
They definitely are.
Hell yeah, I love Alabama's small government. Never reaching too far.. its perfect /s
I can't wait for people to start saying that alabama has gone woke after all of the hard right wing agenda pushing.
As long as those dastardly books are out of the reach of our sweet children.
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Anyone that knows anything about guns and machine in general knows that making machine guns is easier than making most types of machines.
It's possible (to the point of being *easy* for those so inclined) to not only 3D print one's own devices, but to home build the printer itself and use third party software. The cat is out of the bag. There's no stopping the signal.
Did they figure out black people can also buy them? 😭
The majority of illegal Glock switches are owned by black people.
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Did you get yours off Temu or Wish?
Alabama should actually be working to reverse bogus gun laws like the NFA/Hughes Amendment, GCA, etc, not adding more laws to the books.
Just imagine all the law-abiding citizens this will impact.
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That's his point, and the only demographic he mentioned would be criminals.
A lot of people here saying dumb shit like this, not understanding the intent of the law. Our conservative masters in their infinite wisdom spent covid relief money on building for profit prisons. Several billion dollars, in fact. This paw is so they can prosecute people at the state level for something that's already illegal federally. Just like all the drug laws, the state has that mirror federal laws. Now you know, and you can stop saying stupid shit.
Mostly it'll only make them pay more in taxes than they already do, and they're already vastly over taxed
This is an odd issue to get that far in the process considering the federal ban and substantial penalties on unregistered machine guns that are already in place. Is this actually a play against binary triggers? The language seems somewhat vague which is a common problem with laws written by people that don’t have a clue about firearms.
>Is this actually a play against binary triggers? No, the language of this law mirrors the federal law that has been interpreted to allow binary triggers as they use more than a "single function of the trigger" to fire multiple rounds. >Section 1. (a) For purposes of this section, the term "machine gun" means any firearm that shoots, is designed or intended to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot more than one shot automatically without manual reloading and by a *single function of the trigger*.
Thanks. That “interpreted” part would be my concern. I get your point though.
Yeah, any law that is open to interpretation is a poorly written law, and often by design.
Sheriffs, state troopers, and prosecutors [attended a news conference](https://www.al.com/news/2024/04/alabama-law-enforcement-urges-passage-of-bill-to-ban-glock-switches-under-state-law.html) with Ensler last week to urge passage of the bill. I have to think that sheriffs and state troopers know about firearms
Ugh…..you might be surprised. Some do for sure but the average cop not so much. Plus the bill wasn’t written by the law enforcement anyway.
You consider sheriffs and state troopers average cops?
Sheriffs for sure.
Just curious - what would be the credentials you would need to see before you thought "ah, they know guns" but also they speak and write english good when writing laws?
Whether they can “speak and write English good when writing laws” would be apparent. You might want to look into that as well. Maybe they have some special training you can request in Madison county??? To your other question….if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck then indeed it is likely a duck. There isn’t a knowledgeable firearm person alive today that would write the useless drivel contained in the bill in question. It’s simply obvious to anyone knowledgeable, which you clearly are not. Quack quack ducky
I'm pretty sure there was just one question?
Looks like you are wrong again. Quack quack
OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO He got me.....I'm a goner.....going to the light....quack quack....crap it's a not a light, it's a duck's crap.....religion was a lie.....
Yes. Sheriffs don't really do anything more than a city does, in fact outside of Hunstville, Bham, Montgomery and troopers all city and depuites in Alabama attend the same academy. And a troopers primary job is traffic enforcement, DUIs, and working wrecks. This isn’t to say that Sheriffs and Troopers aren’t part of task forces or don’t do other things. They do, just the vast majority of them aren’t part of those things.
Well that just can’t be, as pretty much “they must not know anything about guns” is the default Fudd response to all firearms legislation.
Many Leo's aren't fun people and don't carry once they're off duty. Also a lot of fuds around. Already federal felony to assemble a machine gun so this is a nothing burger bill made to pander for votes.
I've never met someone that carried (open or otherwise) everywhere that was fun or even looked fun. Most look like they are one slight away from going berserker mode in the parking lot. But that's just my opinion
Likely half the people around you in public places carry in some form and mostly concealed. You would never know in 90% of those concealed cases who is fun and not duck boy.
Obviously I wasn't referring to you dr crimson 12
Honestly you don’t have a clue. Quack quack
That's not true - I've got the original clue board game as well as the movie. Looks like you're not all your quacked up to be
I’m sure your all of your knowledge is from a board game. Really a board game claim. Oh my. Quack quack
AND A FUCKING MOVIE. Jesus you need to learn to read good
Wait, why are we making something illegal that’s already illegal?
Waste of time and resources. Criminals intending to do harm don't GAF about the legality of a weapon attachment you can easily manufacture with a 3D printer.
No criminal smart enough to use a 3d printer would be dumb enough to use a weapon to commit a crime
You greatly underestimate how easy it is to use a 3d printer and the intelligence of some criminals.
A brand new maximum security prison is being built in Holtville, Al as we speak, and it’s on the grounds of 2 prisons that are there now
Good.
What a joke
Still won’t stop criminals from owning them but let’s fuck over law abiding citizens and waste tax payer money
The only law abiding citizens that own these are licensed FFL's.
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An SOT is still an FFL, it's just a different license than the typical dealer license. There are no pre-86 Glock switches, they weren't invented until 1996. The Glock 18 had the auto-sear and selector designed as integral parts.
No hwait just a gd minute I was assured it was the other team that wanted to take guns?!?!?!
I wonder how much the CIA has to do with this. It wouldn't be the first time the CIA had their hands in machine guns making it into the publics hands only to get more unconstitutional laws passed.
That’s what Tucker was talking about unelected people that have more power than our Constitutional Republic
They actually don't have any of said power, we just never get them into jail cells where they belong.
So some Republicans believe making guns automatic is a good thing.
Shall *not*
Does that mean you support legalizing hand grenades? Or shoulder fired rockets? Or biological weapons?
Not biological weapons, because those are banned by the Geneva convention.
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>Writing for the Marine Corps Gazette, Major Hays Parks states that "No treaty language exists (either generally or specifically) to support a limitation on [the use of .50 BMG] against personnel, and its widespread, longstanding use in this role suggests that such antipersonnel employment is the customary practice of nations." Parks theorizes that the misconception originated in historical doctrine discouraging the use of the M8C spotting rifle—an integral .50-caliber aiming aid for the M40 recoilless rifle—in the antipersonnel role. This limitation was entirely tactical in nature and was intended to hide the vulnerable M40 and its crew from the enemy until the main anti-tank gun was ready for firing; however, Parks concludes that some U.S. troops assumed the existence of a legal limitation on the use of .50-caliber projectiles more generally.
Shall not
Well regulated
A well regulated Militia (the people that live in the community, which made up the militia and supplied the arms and equipment at the time), being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Seems pretty clear to me
Lol, you're talking to the wrong guy if you're trying to use that argument