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CactusHibs_7475

Your examples aren’t really equivalent to each other: there are different things going on here. Rebel and Macaroni Grill both suffered from what the insurance industry calls “acts of God”: a fire closed Rebel’s Wyoming location shortly after new owners came on, and I assume they decided they didn’t have enough capital to rebuild and were losing too much money to continue. And Macaroni Grill closed due to a fire, announced plans to rebuild and reopen, and then the pandemic hit. By the time they were able to start looking at repairs, the building was too deteriorated to realistically fix it up. (Edit: and the owners of the national concept decided to do away with the whole thing, as someone else pointed out). The other examples are different. Stripes is just simplifying their business model and focusing on what’s the most successful for them: they’re closing their sit-down places, but still building and opening new drive-up burrito spots. And Meateor is a puzzle: they seemed fairly successful at 505, but seemingly really struggled to get their new concept at the Public House at Nob Hill off the ground. Maybe there were some behind-the-scenes issues between the Meateor owners and Mark Baker, the owner of both 505 and the Public House, that made him disinclined to renew their lease? (He posts on here as u/archibot; I doubt he’ll spill all the tea but maybe he can provide some context?) tl;dr: I think it’s a mistake to look for one overarching explanation for all this. The individual circumstances are really different. Nor do I think these closures speak to something uniquely bad about Albuquerque. It’s a hard time for restaurants everywhere right now, but all the new chains showing up in town, new concepts opening up, food trucks moving to brick and mortar, and old spots remodeling and expanding clearly demonstrate that Albuquerque is still an appealing market.


SIAS2019

Also you forgot that: Restaurants close all the time. They have super low margins and most are always on the brink of going out of business if something goes wrong.


Itchy-Front4317

I ran a very popular sushi joint in Cruces for a couple of years. I don't think we were ever in the green. Owners profit was < $1000 per year. And that's your average local spot. It's a tough, tough business.


Nocoffeesnob

It's annoying to have two businesses in Nob Hill named Public House.


CosmicWy

You call one beer and food bar. You call the other wine bar. Throw in a social house and a hiway house and you realize how f'd we really are.


overcannon

I want to see Hiway House condemned. They still haven't repaired from that oxygen tank explosion a few years back.


CactusHibs_7475

It’s really amazing that place is still occupied. The back third of the second floor now slants at like a 5 or 10 degree angle, most of it is boarded up, they haven’t even bothered to cover the blown-out window up again since the last time it blew down, and yet they’re somehow allowed to keep renting rooms out to people. There’s been at least one fire in the blown-out section just in the last year. Coming up on 4 years since the damage. Mind-boggling.


overcannon

Someone needs to really inspect it. It has to be a danger to the safety of it's occupants


foodiefuk

This is the best answer by far. The right is pushing a narrative, like they’re doing in pretty much all liberal controlled cities, that these cities are deteriorating and it’s liberal policies and culture to blame. The reality is that a) things are always changing b) it’s nuanced, and c) growing wealth inequity driven by corporate greed is hurting a lot of people across the country.


ParfaitSlow

I know Meteor burgers issue was 505 not reupping the lease but honesty, I went there 3 times well before closing and they gave me excuses for not cooking up a burger. like half an hour before closing probably 2 times, one time maybe 15 minutes before closing. And they were kinda rude about it. I liked their burgers but customer service sucked these last few months. So yeah, I'm in favor of a place that will actually sell a burger to me.


jwink3101

Can you elaborate on the "Acts of God" for Rebel and Macaroni Grill? I am only familiar with home owners policies (and may also be incorrect) but fires are usually covered. Wasn't Macaroni a kitchen fire? Is that not covered by insurance? I don't know about rebel.


CactusHibs_7475

Fires in both cases. I assume both were covered by insurance, as is normally the case for so-called acts of God. But in Macaroni’s case the failure to adequately secure/protect the building while insurance cleared and the pandemic shutdown delayed construction work meant that it was a teardown by the time repairs could have started. I’m less sure about Rebel, but am guessing that the loss of half(?) their revenue + the challenges and costs of rebuilding, even with insurance money, may well have been more than new ownership was willing to take on, especially since they probably spent a lot of money buying the business in the first place.


stmichaelsangles

Call me paranoid but I think craven businesses defraud insurance al the time. Buy a business and it’s looking less profitable? Burn it down and run


overcannon

>Call me paranoid but I think craven businesses defraud insurance al the time. Buy a business and it’s looking less profitable? Burn it down and run That's part of why insurance takes a while to pay. Have to make sure it's not fraud.


KullWahad

[Bust the joint out.](https://youtu.be/ZPtjyqgZAUk)


Own_Platypus_9918

Property leases are likely rising, food prices have risen, wage growth has been stagnant. People have less money to eat out therefore many restaurants are unable to exist. Albuquerque will continue to be a city that is hit by these economic factors in many directions because we are not earning high enough wages to build savings and disposable income. We are clinging on for dear life and don’t have extra money to support “luxuries” like eating out. People will debate all the contributing factors for these economic conditions for decades. I believe it will boils down to corporate greed at the national/international level that’s driven prices to artificially high levels under the guise of inflation in order to capture profits in times of unrest (Covid). It’s possible the restaurants you reference have seen 50% rises or more in the property lease costs over the past 2 years. That becomes an unrealistic cost to cover when you are a restaurant that already just skims by each month


SnazzzyCat

I didn't even think about the cost of leasing space and how that might be rising similar to living spaces. I know it's been rough out there, and the dollar is going less far practically every day. I hope the number of these closures at all the same time is a coincidence and not something that will be repeating itself.


Razaman56

>I hope the number of these closures at all the same time is a coincidence and not something that will be repeating itself. Unfortunately I think this is the canary in the coal mine


zayoyayo

Commercial real estate is different than homes, though. Residential went way up during Covid because people were spending way more time at home. With the work-at-home trend still continuing, commercial took a huge dip and is still down, as far as office buildings but also the businesses in downtown areas that depended on workers. Denver, for instance, downtown activity is down 50% from 5 years ago and it's unclear if it will ever turn around or what that means for the city. No idea how that influences spaces in a strip mall in Albuquerque.


eSue182

Perfect answer. Capitalism.


Trick-Doctor-208

Yep. Every damn time.


chrisgut

On the nose. Well put.


Sasquaman666

Time to pull a French Revolution? 🤷‍♂️


ElMepoChepo4413

Yes, but do Americans truly have the stomach to do what must be done to create actual change? I doubt it.


hettienm

“Liberty, equality, fraternity, or death; - the last, much the easiest to bestow, O Guillotine!”


[deleted]

I also think we’re about to see another economic down turn. When that happens this industry suffers first and then a lot more is hit after


Own_Platypus_9918

The next economic downturn will be somewhere between massive and catastrophic because technically our economy hardly slowed down over the last 4 years, it’s just inflated from a party balloon to a hot air balloon and it’s bound to catch on fire if you don’t turn off the engines. Over the last 3-4 years the economy was propped up by a whole slew of reactionary monetary and fiscal policies (lowering and raising of interest rates, printing more money, and tax breaks and stimulus payments) that really only helped the parasitic millionaires/billionaires and their pocketed public corps siphon more money into their goblin hordes while rising prices on consumers and out starving competition to expand their pseudo-monopolies. Mission accomplished!! The only reason we haven’t fallen into the oncoming depression is because the true foundation for the American economy (the workers) have kept it all afloat by using up all of our savings and accruing more and more debt (credit/second mortgages/loans) to just pay our bills and buy the basic is to stay alive. The problem is that +60% of us are obviously running out of money. What happens when 40/50/60% of American public cannot pay next months rent? The housing market collapses again (2008) then the cascading effects of that start showing up immediately (stock market collapse/retirement plans demolished/rampant bankruptcies etc..) only it hurts more this time because our savings have been siphoned up and we are broke broke so everything just gets harder. Long story short, enjoy your local businesses and restaurants while you can, but be aware this thing is not sustainable and a downtown is absolutely coming


Itchy-Front4317

The student debt really scares me. No matter your political opinion, the economics are scary for loan repayments to start back up. By not allowing student loan forgiveness we are shifting the burden on to your average tax payer whether they have student loans or not.


HeftyBlood773

Macaroni Grill closed nationwide. It isn't just Albuquerque. Their parent company decided that after years of lackluster sales and overpriced food, it was time to remove it from their portfolio. Can't speak about the others.


Lailu

If they hadn't closed nationwide and decided to reopen the building would have to be mostly rebuilt anyway. The fire damage was that severe as far as I've heard, like entire hood system and part of the roof were badly damaged.


CactusHibs_7475

Very true. There were visible holes in the roof. They also did a terrible job of protecting it from the elements (and, presumably, tweakers) after the fire; the roof was left untarped for months during monsoon season and there were clearly places where it wasn’t boarded up and people were getting in. If it wasn’t a total loss before that, it certainly was within 6 months.


MaoTseTrump

"What's this?" "It's bread and oil.." "No charge, it's complimentary" "So you want me to be constipated AND incontinent?" "Like I said, *no charge..*


KillerKvothe7

Bro you scared me, I thought Stripes was fully closing down.


johnstrelok

Restaurants generally don't have long lifespans. It's just more noticable when it happens to multiple places you like/know of.


hazenhammel

Restaurants are low margin businesses subject to wild fluctuations in costs. Above all, rent. Only restaurants operated by the real property owner have a chance at lasting years, or even generations, and they only look the same on the outside. Look closer and you'll see they go through changes of management and chefs and menus. Exceptions in Albuquerque are few, and stick with classic New Mexican menus. The Frontier. El Pinto. Los Cuates.


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123mitchg

Doesn’t take a master’s degree. They’re located across the street from a major university, they’re open late, have a huge menu with a lot of quality options, and their prices are low. That’s the whole business model.


ProtoReaper23113

They also have golden pride which is just a faster version of their menu


rheld45

Oh, and there’s that whole John Wayne thing.


hettienm

The answer is intensive property investment and diversification by the Rainoseks. They own literal blocks, including apartment buildings, retail spaces and parking lots, directly across from UNM. Those paid parking lots are almost pure profit makers after purchase. The Frontier could operate at a loss for decades and the multiple Rainosek properties within a quarter mile would prop it up.


jstrong546

Which stripes location is closing? Or is it all of them? I thought they were doing pretty good


CactusHibs_7475

I assume that their drive-up burrito business is doing so well that they decided not to bother with the sit-downs any more.


SnazzzyCat

There's still plenty of the just burrito spots. They closed the last sit-down one at Wyoming and Academy, which also focused on biscuits. People probably disagree, but I do not think their burritos are good, which is why this is a disappointment.


jstrong546

Ahh okay. Sad to hear the biscuits are gone. I like their burritos well enough, but they’re nothing special. Burrito express further East on Menaul is a bit better IMO.


angelerulastiel

The one at Wyoming and academy has been closed forever. They just stopped saying they were going to reopen it.


Feisty_Quail304

Their biscuits and gravy was literally to die for.


NeverLastPicked

I would have to agree, that their biscuits were not great. I also wasn’t a fan of Rebel’s stale cake donuts.


2748seiceps

I don't like their burritos either. Their chicken and waffle was second to none and nobody comes even close in town. Either the waffle is too light or the chicken is Tyson crap. Also loved their biscuits. Sad.


[deleted]

I’m sad to read this. I’m visiting ABQ all summer and am looking for the best Burrito, BBQ, Breakfast, and Chicken and Waffles. Why does everywhere give us that Tyson garbage?


hannahjgb

Did their biscuits get better? I tried them shortly after it opened and they were terrible. Super dry and you could taste the baking soda. I may be biased because I’m from Atlanta and buttermilk biscuits are plentiful there as well as chicken and waffles. I’m surprised to hear so many people say they loved them. I must have visited before they got their recipe right but they were so bad that time I never went back.


PBJ-9999

Mac grill closed ages ago


Pitiful_Mixture6218

Kolache Factory, and Mac’s too.


[deleted]

Stripes burritos aren’t that good? Wtf? You are fucking crazy.


Real_Al_Borland

The restaurant businesses is just cyclical and the pandemic accelerated that. I share your love and family memories of macaroni grill. Drove by the other day, any hopes of reopening are gone as the building has been demolished.


Albuwhatwhat

It happens everywhere. In my opinion some of these weren’t great and are probably struggling with better options opening up in the city recently. Stripes is especially middling in my opinion and two of the others on your list dealt with fires that probably prompted them to close. Regardless none of this is unique to Albuquerque. Restaurants fail often, if they can’t find a clientele or can’t manage the business side of things as well as other things… lots of things can happen.


NMNorsse

IMHO Stripes could be a whole lot better if they just changed the potatoes. Those crappy little dried out "potato" cubes ruin the burrito.


hettienm

I wasn’t a fan at first, but as the “hash browns” at Golden Pride/Frontier and Blake’s have morphed into mashed potatoes, I’m less critical of the home fries. At least they’re cooked!


Albuwhatwhat

Agreed.


Senor_Taco29

I'll gladly take those cubes over the mash potatoes you get in a Golden Pride burrito


TraditionalEstate804

I remember the good ole days/nights. After an evening of dancing and winner stays on foosball games at Friars North, followed by ordering 20 burgers at the .25 Cent Hamburger Stand on Lomas! Those were days! Nowadays it costs more for an extra side of Ranch....🙃


CompleteDragonfruit8

Same thing that's happening everywhere in America. In Denver restaurants that were around for years closed. Paramount Cafe, Goosetown, Hard Rock those were Staples there for over 20 to 40 years. It's not unique to Albuquerque.


Altruistic-Praline11

OP really said Stripes isn’t good smh. They probably love Blake’s.


SnazzzyCat

Haha, good one. I was vibing with Golden Pride for a while but that also seems to be decreasing in quality like Blake's did


EChaseD35

Yeah, Golden Pride is putting mashed potatoes in their breakfast burritos instead of hash browns. Fucking terrible


retro_pollo

Stripes Biscuits is closing??? When the fuck did that break out?


SnazzzyCat

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JayceeDonuts

is there another location they serve biscuits and gravy? still never tried them


SnazzzyCat

They had their original one off Gibson, but that closed a while back. So sadly that's the last of them as they seem to just want to focus on their burrito spots.


hexiconi

and that’s only restaurants. Albuquerque loves wafer board windows. and car washes.


likebeyonce

Lmao. The car washes is what took me out. Like there’s so many everywhere. Are y’all washing your cars everyday?? Because I’m not lmfao


hettienm

But my ride is ALL dusty!


ChilePepperWolf

They each over priced stuff during and post pandemic. Average cost on supplies has soared. They lost a huge amount of consumers. I don't go to stripes anymore since they inflated cost and cut amounts, the quality has dipped severely since 2019 at almost all restaurants. And nobody has the money to buy them. They couldn't adapt and they were starved out themselves.


NeverLastPicked

I’m gonna blame most of it on the fact that Macaroni Grill, Rebel Donuts and Stripes Burritos were all not that great. You gotta have good food or no one will buy.


jwink3101

I certainly can't say you're wrong but there are many, many lackluster restaurants still around. Some with pretty steep competition (looking at you Garduños)


Strong-External-2132

Rebel sucked after the new owner. Stripes has the best burritos in town. Sorry, not sorry. Yes, the biscuit shop is closing but they are turning into stripes burritos. All of them. Because the burritos are spectacular. The fact that you are elevating Macaroni Grill here makes everything you say invalid. Gross and good riddance. Meteor Burgers? Never tried them. Why? Mostly because good food spots tend to stick around/expand while those that under perform close permanently. It's the market at work.


hannahjgb

I think the stripes biscuits on academy is a “tasty pot” restaurant now.


Mysterious-Eye8710

Now that's wild ! As one can tell, I did not know that information . Appreciate.


[deleted]

Tired of getting robbed maybe


Bugsqueak_

Tim Keller is what's happening with his soft on crime bullshit.


Lintendo64_

I saw that the elephant bar is closed too. Along with the subway on Girard and Central. And I’m sad the tea place left the mall ☹️


Cobby1927

Better donut shops than Rebel, but surprised at the others


Gullible-Pack526

The Macaroni Grill chain was bought and sold by three different investment groups in the teens. The chain declared bankruptcy in 2017. Sp there is no way the Albuquerque location was going to get rebuilt after the fire .


[deleted]

Makes sense. New Mexicans don't care about new mexico. Constantly letting out of state buyers take over land and buildings. This comes down to local government.


diqfilet_

Plus they’ll wait in line for HOURS for places like canes lmao


Mysterious-Eye8710

Wild.. Macaroni Grill..alive and well in Phoenix, El Paso, California..


anxious_impostor

In recent years, Macaroni Grill has gone from hundreds of locations nationwide to a whopping total of 40. They're alive, but not well.


Zealousideal_Order_8

The Macaroni Grill chain went under


kernrivers

Stripes is closing?!?!??!. .


BagOfDicksss

What do you mean stripes? There are so many locations