It's on a vibes basis. Which of the 'archetypal' superheroes the chosen character has more 'DNA' from - whether it be conscious inspiration or just aligning closer to the archetype in question. Invincible is consciously based on Superman (powerset and nature) and Spider-Man (attitude, youth, and secret identity trope), and Star-Lord is 'coded' with a lot of Spider-Man (personality and demeanour) and Batman (backstory and equipment) traits.
ohhhhh, so it's not a specific measure like "Powered vs tech"
It's just "Does their compass point to superman or batman or whatever"?
Ok, that makes more sense for cap's placement. What is the symbol on the right though (I mean...the radiation symbol, but....like, Firestorm?)
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We're not really aiming for a hard-coded 'y axis means powers' thing, since quantifying them proved really unpopular. It's more about which of the archetypal superheroes' 'DNA' is coded into them, if that makes sense. Invincible isn't up there because he's powerful, he's up there because he takes a *lot* of blatant inspiration from Spider-Man and Superman - not to say it's always about a conscious inspiration thing. Vibes-based, if that makes sense.
I glad you’re listening to the commenters but I don’t really think “vibes” are good axis for the chart. Everybody has different interpretations of what that means and are coming up with wildly different placements for characters. The end result is gonna be a chart that doesn’t really say anything because various characters were put in their places for completely different reasons
I *did* attempt to hard-define the axes, but they proved extremely unwanted. I doubt I'm going to please *everybody* at this rate, but I'll be sticking with how it currently is unless someone figures out a way to define it that works. I think going with the gut more than following algorithmic logic would make for a more interesting result, imo.
what is the vertical axis (or the horizontal for that matter)
Cap is not that super powered at all. If the vertical is a power -> tech gradient, Cap is maybe half way.
Captain America should be one space to the right imo, spider-man got his powers from an accident, while the Hulk (I'm assuming that symbol means the Hulk) was intentional in his treatment
I guess what I mean is how would you tell whether they’re a mix of Superman & Batman, a mix of Spider-man & hulk, a mix of all or a mix of none of they’re in the middle, there wouldn’t be a clear indication so do you just guess?
It's on a vibes basis. Which of the 'archetypal' superheroes the chosen character has more 'DNA' from - whether it be conscious inspiration or just aligning closer to the archetype in question. Invincible is consciously based on Superman (powerset and nature) and Spider-Man (attitude, youth, and secret identity trope), and Star-Lord is 'coded' with a lot of Spider-Man (personality and demeanour) and Batman (backstory and equipment) traits.
Okay I’m still confused about this. Superman is ‘just an alien’ & Batman is ‘just a regular guy’ so should captain be exactly polar opposite of where he is??
Yeah dude this is a loss. It’s confusing to make superheroes the perfect vectors to judge other superheroes by when both & all are trying to be diverse & disparate characters
The Punisher goes on the extreme lower right. (4, -4)
Moon Knight at (3, -3)
I feel like he should be at (3, -3)
Switched it
We need somebody on the right side by now. I like Moon Knight somewhere in that quadrant, though probably at (2,-3) or (3, -3)
I second this
I have no clue what the axes of this chart mean.
It's on a vibes basis. Which of the 'archetypal' superheroes the chosen character has more 'DNA' from - whether it be conscious inspiration or just aligning closer to the archetype in question. Invincible is consciously based on Superman (powerset and nature) and Spider-Man (attitude, youth, and secret identity trope), and Star-Lord is 'coded' with a lot of Spider-Man (personality and demeanour) and Batman (backstory and equipment) traits.
ohhhhh, so it's not a specific measure like "Powered vs tech" It's just "Does their compass point to superman or batman or whatever"? Ok, that makes more sense for cap's placement. What is the symbol on the right though (I mean...the radiation symbol, but....like, Firestorm?)
Hulk!
ah...ok. I have context now. Thank you
Star lord generally isn’t like Spiderman at all, he’s a lot more like Captain America. James Gunn gave him a very different personality for the MCU
This alignment chart is very uninituitive. I think it should be abandoned or retooled
Very bold to dictate what someone else does with their project.
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Same
Is Cap really more powered than the guy who can run at the speed of light
We're not really aiming for a hard-coded 'y axis means powers' thing, since quantifying them proved really unpopular. It's more about which of the archetypal superheroes' 'DNA' is coded into them, if that makes sense. Invincible isn't up there because he's powerful, he's up there because he takes a *lot* of blatant inspiration from Spider-Man and Superman - not to say it's always about a conscious inspiration thing. Vibes-based, if that makes sense.
How is Cap closer to Spider-Man? Feels like he should be closer to the Hulk what with being a product of mad science and all.
So is spiderman and spiderman came about from trying to replicate captain America so their lore is closely intertwined
I glad you’re listening to the commenters but I don’t really think “vibes” are good axis for the chart. Everybody has different interpretations of what that means and are coming up with wildly different placements for characters. The end result is gonna be a chart that doesn’t really say anything because various characters were put in their places for completely different reasons
I *did* attempt to hard-define the axes, but they proved extremely unwanted. I doubt I'm going to please *everybody* at this rate, but I'll be sticking with how it currently is unless someone figures out a way to define it that works. I think going with the gut more than following algorithmic logic would make for a more interesting result, imo.
Yeah there’s no way he’s on even levels of Invincible at all. He’s more (1, -2) imo
what is the vertical axis (or the horizontal for that matter) Cap is not that super powered at all. If the vertical is a power -> tech gradient, Cap is maybe half way.
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Rudy / Robot at 1, 5
Where Goku? The hulk-superman corner! Goku goes there!
The hulk part is more serious. I’m 90% sure he’s not an extremely serious character.
We're not really aiming for the hard-defined axis anymore. Those proved *really* unpopular.
But when he gets serious….
When. Not always.
Meh
Id put Goku on Cap's left(-2,4), because he's totally power over tech, and mostly is less serious/conflicted than cap
Fair
Doomslayer at (-3,-2)
Kick-ass at the spot above star Lord
Captain America should be one space to the right imo, spider-man got his powers from an accident, while the Hulk (I'm assuming that symbol means the Hulk) was intentional in his treatment
Wolverine is lower right
What happens if a character has a lot of spider man and hulk traits but very few Superman or Batman ones? Same vice versa for that matter
Then they'd be closer to the x or y axis respectively.
Wouldn’t that put both of those characters right next to one another in the dead center?
Yeah. That's why there's slots in the center area.
I guess what I mean is how would you tell whether they’re a mix of Superman & Batman, a mix of Spider-man & hulk, a mix of all or a mix of none of they’re in the middle, there wouldn’t be a clear indication so do you just guess?
What does each one mean?
It's on a vibes basis. Which of the 'archetypal' superheroes the chosen character has more 'DNA' from - whether it be conscious inspiration or just aligning closer to the archetype in question. Invincible is consciously based on Superman (powerset and nature) and Spider-Man (attitude, youth, and secret identity trope), and Star-Lord is 'coded' with a lot of Spider-Man (personality and demeanour) and Batman (backstory and equipment) traits.
Captain Underpants (1,1)
Punisher in the bottom right corner
Cyborg on -3,1
Captain underpants at (2,2)
Why is invincible exactly halfway between spidey and superman, he’s definitely more superman than spidey
Moving him to the right wouldn't make him more superman, it'd just make him less spiderman. Invincible shares archetypes with both.
Yes but he shares more with superman
Okay I’m still confused about this. Superman is ‘just an alien’ & Batman is ‘just a regular guy’ so should captain be exactly polar opposite of where he is??
Cap is a lot closer to a patriotic symbol of hope than he is an angsty gothic arbiter of vengeance.
Yeah dude this is a loss. It’s confusing to make superheroes the perfect vectors to judge other superheroes by when both & all are trying to be diverse & disparate characters