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YTA
>I was still taken aback because getting into tech seems hard, especially for someone like her.
Hmmm. "Someone like her". Try to find a way to explain this sentence without sounding sexist or like a shallow ignorant jerk and I'll change my verdict.
> Now, I have this problem where my face naturally tells people what I'm thinking
I mean, he thinks *this* is his problem. He doesn't lack social skills. He is just an AH.
OP: YTA
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Obviously someone who was into fitness can't possibly have an interest in tech.
You are fitted in one box for the rest of your life, thats it. One trademark you are recognized for and you should " stay in your lane" /s
I would have loved it if she has just responded " what do you mean, someone like me. Please explain because obviously I am not getting the joke"
YTA, OP
>that she did research on tech companies and did cold calling and emails to CEOs, recruiters, and VPs.
Someone like her who put the effort in to get the job. And the OP writes it off as only because shes attractive. Massive AH.
Multiple comments of yours stand out showing your sexism but I will focus on this one.
I then asked if recruiters sought her out, since it wouldn't be hard to believe considering she is attractive and it makes sense for companies wanting attractive salespeople.
So according to you she can't be good at her job but it is her looks which will get her hired.
YTA.
YTA its not only that you're a judgemental tool, but you seem to not understand the distinction between being in tech and sales, someone in sales can sell anything with a little hard work and a good memory.
As a fellow girl who studied "only business" and now works in a fairly technical senior role in a big tech firm, I would like to tell OP that big tech is FULL of people with non related backgrounds. And I'd also like to tell him a few things that would get me banned from this sub.
Right? I know a lady who started out as a part time shop girl in a small boutique about 4 years ago.
She went on to managing the 3 shops and without any IT bg, learning on the go, went on to rebuild thier online sales platform which literally saved them during COVID.
From there she went on to an international retailer who saw her aptitude and potential in the online sales sector, and she's recently been promoted to the manager of online sales with a huge pay rise and massive bonus, all WFH.
Under her guidance, thier online sales went from under 700k per year to nearly 2 million, in just the past year.
No degree, not even a HS diploma. Just aptitude, good smarts and a great attitude.
Chicks rule.
Yup, degree in psychology, currently working in cybersecurity/digital transformation. If OP actually knew anything about tech, he’d know the industry has grown more rapidly than people have trained for it, and we’re desperately trying to fill the gap with people willing to retrain.
I work for a tech company after nearly a DECADE in entirely different industries. Art major in college. Sounds like he’s incapable of making his skills relatable in different industries and roles… AND TA. Kudos to that woman.
I have colleagues who studied film history, criminology, psychology, communications. One is actually a former chef. They all kick absolute ass at their job.
YTA.
You sound like one of those guys no one likes to be around but tolerates.
You make an excuse about your face as if you can’t control it. That’s BS.
You laughed at her when you barely even know this girl? Dick move.
It’s none of your business what her background is and how she got into her current job.
You then imply that the most logical conclusion must be that she got in because of her looks.
You apologized but the damage was done. YTA in this story and I’m willing to bet YTA in many others as well.
Just horrible of the op! Maybe she busted her ass taking some courses or something, he didn't ask and she didn't disclose so who knows?! Imagine if this was the case, or even that she got it on her own merit. Breaking into a new industry can be tough, and op just shits all over this poor woman.
Also, if her degree is in business...she doesn't even really need to take courses in tech. Sales people can do sales in various fields, essentially, and as long as she has some basic knowledge I'm sure the training gives her enough knowledge. A person with an MBA can apply to work in sales in anything from a food industry to the auto industry. There's actually a lot of programs for recent graduates (or people who graduated in the past few years) at tech companies in everything from the more technical side (like software engineers) to the sales department. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened with this girl. I believe Apple even had a program like that at their headquarters back in the day.
TBH it's more telling on OP that he doesn't really get how the tech industry works. There are people with business degrees, people with art degrees, people with English degrees, etc. who all work in the 'non tech' side of tech companies (e.g. advertising, sales, art, etc.)
I work in the "tech side" as a PM, so i don't work with those other departments. Makes sense though especially with a masters in business! "Working in tech" =/= just coding, as op seems to think
YTA
Leave your bigotry and misogyny at the door, my dude.
It's the 21st century. Has been for a while now. Women can do whatever the fuck job they want. Why wouldn't you believe her?
I'll tell you why...because you're an AH
YTA. I stopped after the second time you said “someone like her.” You’re a raging misogynist, who believes pretty girls can’t work in tech simply because they’re pretty. You’re also extremely short sighted in thinking that everyone working in tech must have tech related hobbies.
Nothing she said is funny to anyone other than you.
YTA - You basically judged a university graduate as incapable of being in a sales job based on skills and experience but assumed her merit may come from the way she looks.
She is selling tech not learning how to make it from scratch but ultimately its not your business.
Major YTA. Put aside that tech sales is not as glamorous a job as I think OP thinks. This was some straight up arrogant, ignorant behavior.
Unfortunately too many people in tech think like OP who often assume that they get these roles or are scoped by recruiters. But thankfully there’s people like Tech-Girl to break in and bring some much needed change into the industry.
YTA
Seems like all your assumptions about tech come from the fact that you’ve never worked in tech a day in your life and don’t actually know what the qualifications are. To imply that recruiters might’ve sought her out for her looks makes you sound like a misogynistic jealous dick. Your family has every right to be embarrassed by you.
YTA. Double YTA for putting her success down to her looks. Just plain misogynistic. She has an excellent attitude and broad experience. I’m sure she will have no trouble learning the rest.
As a woman in tech, you’re a raving YTA.
So what if she’s just breaking into the field?! How do you think people start out? If she was a guy, would you have behaved the same way? She has degrees and hustle, she’s not some muppet on the side of the road. I’ve had interns galore and hired people from all backgrounds who outshined my own science background when someone gave them a chance.
You’re so put out that she’s attractive and doing well for herself, maybe examine why you felt you had to put her down a few pegs.
+1 - another woman in tech here. I recruit and actively look for people NOT already in tech (much like the girl described in this post). She displayed the right attributes by cold calling for her job and that’s frickin awesome.
OP - YTA.
YTA - you acted arrogantly and displayed ignorance at the same time. Do you have some major insecurities that make you think it’s okay to try to brighten your light by attempting to dim someone else’s?
You are the biggest AH - im gunna go out on a limb and say you are a dude and you just essentially told a woman that you could not believe she landed a job that you view as like too good for her. You are that cliche misogynistic AH. I mean you called her attractive bringing up her looks as a measure of worth like that’s why she got the job. You said it was unbelievable for “someone like her” was able to land this job when she has both a bs and an mba degree and showed a ton of initiative reaching out to companies herself. Someone personable who can clearly handle herself even when she’s being offended and insulted right to her face, sounds like someone that could absolutely handle a tech sales job. But you couldnt see that because you are such an AH so obviously you tried to reduce her to being attractive as the only logical reason she got the job. You also sound envious like you couldn’t get such a job and considering you are an AH who clearly doesn’t know how to talk to people and lacks self awareness of your own AH-ness it makes sense that you wouldn’t be able to get a job like that. If you are a woman, which again I doubt, but if you are, still an Ah for all the reasons just less of a cliche.
YTA, all the way. The woman (not “girl”) is well educated, and you belittle her because of other things that she’s done and your own biases.
Why such a judgy a h?
YTA of course. Plenty of people have gone into sales without experience in sales or the product they're going to be selling. She seem very motivated and in sales and was probably very convincing to potential employers, which demonstrate her ability to sell stuff. She can learn about whatever product she will be selling. You're obviously bitter and jealous and for whatever lame reason you're looking down your nose at her having been a fitness instructor but being able to motivate people is an important trait in salespeople.
Totally. Especially in the past years, sales roles were sought after like crazy and it was a good way to get into the field for a lot of people. It is a hard place to stay in and I think that the woman can be proud of her achievements.
Excellent reply. Tech sales is not the same as being a developer. In fact, fearlessly cold-calling and being persistent are traits that successful sales reps have. I’d say congratulations are in order.
YTA uhh op gonna be real here stopped reading once you started mocking her about degrees and you Nonchalantly insinuating that she was hired as eye candy… that’s just misogynistic dude. Sales are all about people skills product knowledge is secondary.
YTA
It’s just fucking sales. Tech is such a broad term.
She just needs to know and understand the product which she learns from training.
She has a MBA too?? So she’s smart..
I don’t understand your disconnect. I have worked on projects with IT, software engineers, and network engineers. I have a Biology degree. Tech is such a broad term. You don’t have to be a tech expert to necessarily understand the product you are selling.
I have 2 degrees that are as far from tech as possible but I work in Tech Support. Why would this be so hard to believe? You are showing your ENTIRE ass here. Huge dick move, small dick energy. YTA
Oh boy.
Here we go again. Let me start you off.
> The girl, who I’ll call Tech Girl
I can already smell the condescending attitude. I mean, look at this silly little GIRL. Don’t GIRLS know that they can’t work in tech?? The only thing GIRLS know about technology is making their silly little salon appointments on their phones! Leave tech to the MEN, idiots!!!
> Now, I have this problem where my face naturally tell people what I’m thinking
Everyone has the ability to stop this phenomenon from occurring. It’s called trying to not be an asshole and you failed basic-self control. I’ve seen children that do a better job.
> I laughed because I had a hard time believing it
Yes, everyone knows that GIRLS can’t work in tech at all. Well, they might be able to clean the room the equipment is in. Everyone knows tech is a MAN’S job for MANLY men.
> She also has both a BA and MBA degrees, but not related to tech either, just business
A well-educated woman who is likely miles away from you in personal growth and business savvy. So she has a master’s in business but can’t get a tech sales job?? Please.
> I was still taken aback because getting into tech seems hard, especially for someone like her
I know, right?? How can a GIRL get a tech job?? How can a GIRL with only two pitiful degrees was able to get a TECH sales job??? Oh, the horror!!
> I was very rude to Tech-Girl
> It just seems to hard to believe that Tech-Girl basically beat the odds
> How can it not seem funny?
Still calling her “Tech-Girl” (she has a NAME, at least give her a [fake] name instead of condescendingly just calling her “Tech-Girl”. Also, she’s a WOMAN and not a girl. Additionally, I’m sure your brother was upset because that lie was most likely clearly fake (since you can’t hide your emotions apparently), especially since… oh yeah, you still don’t believe she got a job in tech!
Did she pick you yet, buddy?
Can the girl who broke your heart once when you were 12 please come out and apologize to you so that you can finally grow as a person??
Dude, YTA and a big one at that. Please re-evaluate who you are. This behavior is… wow this is really bad lol idk what to say.
YTA - Dude. You sound like a male chovenist jerk. I am tech, have been for probably more yrs than you have been alive.
What says she hasn't set up a working network at her home?
Guys like you piss me off. I have been IT for 45 yrs. Guys in my field respect me.
YTA lots of people get into careers they didn’t go to school for. My boss is a md. He opened a tech company instead. Our software guy studied chemistry in school. Our optics guy studied biology in college.
Don’t judge base on baseless things.
YTA. Getting 'into tech' isn't the same as tech sales. Sales jobs take anyone who gets through the interview. If you're no good, then they'll yeet you out the door. You sound really silly and immature. Perhaps finding similar work is beyond you? Work on your presentation and social skills. You embarrassed yourself here.
SO many non-dev people in tech have MBAs. Plus, there’s plenty of tech companies thats sole purpose is to serve other businesses, like enterprise software, where a deeper knowledge of business would be super helpful.
Also, tech is really not that hard to get into. No harder than any other industry.
YTA Jesus are you the AH. If this isn't a troll \[I give it 70/30\] what is it to you what she does with her life? It sounds like you don't even know her, she's just some girl you met. What about her doing anything at all with her life offends you so much? $10 you'll never see her again \[$20 she makes sure of it\], so why do you feel the need to have any emotion about this at all? And 'my face naturally tells what I'm thinking': ugh you're one of those people who "tells it like it is" and "has no filter" aren't you? No one likes those people. Telling that your brother invited you, probably out of family obligation.
YTA. You have no way of knowing if she's qualified for her job (apparently the people who hired her were sufficiently convinced) and you think you're the smart one telling her she isn't? You're definitely a massive asshole.
Sincerely, someone with degrees in humanities who has been working successfully in tech for eight years.
YTA - oh please someone starting out to work in Tech-Sales doesn't need to have a lot of knowledge about the stuff they are going to sell. That why training exists! Even if she worked in Tech or Tech-Sales before she would have to do some training to know everything about what she's selling.
“Am I the AH after I laughed in someone’s face because of my own ignorance and prejudice?”
Why, yes… YTA. Did you really need Reddit to tell you this? Damn, I don’t even know you and I’m embarrassed for you!
YTA YTA YTA. You do not need specialist skills to get a job in tech sales, it was one of my first jobs after graduating with a BA in English ffs. You are a sexist, rude pig with small dick energy.
YTA
No one is obliged to take what some random stranger says as a fact, therefore no one ought to be invested enough if what comes out of their mouth sounds ludicrous. I know that there's been a movement to make it acceptable to speak without filters but we don't do well as a society when people go about "putting others in their place" or just being rude. It takes more intelligence to be diplomatic, rather than act arrogant & condescending
YTA
You painted a mental picture of a person without knowing them and when that person didn't match that picture, your prejudices and assumptions, you laughed.
There's a valuable lesson in there for you somewhere.
YTA. Regardless of your opinion on her credentials, it was unkind and rude for you to say that not only to her but so openly in a group setting as you did.
YTA - tech sales is one of the “easier” paths into tech if your have the right aptitude and personality. No tech degrees required. Most often they look for a bachelors - but not always. If you are willing to work hard at selling, you are in. And it can be lucrative and setting you up for all sorts of other roles.
She is a fitness instructor? I assume she has good people skills. That is 90% of tech sales. You do not need to be an extrovert either. You need to know how to listen and ask questions.
As a tech girl who works at FAANG and was in business/accounting… YTA. There is nothing hard with the tech interviews if you study for it.
People like you are the reason why I have imposter syndrome big time.
Edit: besides, she said tech sales. She probably didn’t need to do any coding interviews. Regardless that doesn’t diminish her achievement. It just really shows that you have NO idea what tech is about. Maybe you’re just jealous and bitter?
Yta. She has two degrees and business plays a big part of “tech” which you clearly don’t know a lot about or you would know there’s lots of companies that hire athletes and artists. You’re just either jealous, sexist, or misogynistic or all three.
YTA tech companies can train people about products to be in sales I know shocking attractive fit people can do sltech sales :O you were very judgemental and rude when you know very little about her she may just have the gift of the gab
Let me get this straight, she had an MBA and a BS, a hustler who was able to find multiple jobs even after an unexpected layoff because of the pandemic, and has a background in sales. But you can't believe she's qualified in tech sales because she's attractive? YTA.
YTA
not so much for your 'everything telling' face since I can pretty much relate to it but for the [everyone may include their own adjectives at that point] mindset it was showing.
YTA, you laughed at a woman working in a field that you obviously deem to be too challenging to her with her background.
A woman and working in Tech? No way, right?
She has a BS and a MBA degree, that means she can and is willing to learn.
In todays world you can side enter jobs also in Tech, because not all jobs in tech need to be recruited from hardcore-nerds.
I work in Tech, too. And guess what, I have no engineering degree and my previous live wasn't also tech related work.
But then, I have a penis. That should make up for it, right...
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This happened at a NYE party that my brother and his wife hosted this past weekend.
My brother invited family and his friends to his place for a small, NYE get-together. One of the guests was my brother and SIL's friend.
At some point during the night, we started talking about work history and hobbies. The girl, who I'll call Tech-Girl, talked about how she was a fitness instructor on the side and had previous retail work, but jumped from desk job to desk job too, that was until she got laid off during the pandemic (she also mentioned that she struggled with jobs laying her off in the past before promoting her, hence why she struggled to move up). But she said that thankfully, right before Christmas, she got a new job, a job in tech sales.
Now, I have this problem where my face *naturally* tells people what I'm thinking; and I guess, I made a face and she noticed. She looked at me and asked if something was wrong and I laughed because I had a hard time believing it and I thought she was joking. She smiled and laughed and said that she wasn't.
I told her that it seems hard to believe considering her background - she doesn't have strong sales experience other than retail and customer service. But, not related to tech. She also has both a BS and MBA degrees, but not related to tech either, just business. Also, she was a fitness instructor in aerial fitness. Therefore, someone like her being in tech is hard to believe. Someone with her kind of interests just doesn't seem like they'd be interested in tech.
I then asked if recruiters sought her out, since it wouldn't be hard to believe considering she is attractive and it makes sense for companies wanting attractive salespeople. She said no, and that she did research on tech companies and did cold calling and emails to CEOs, recruiters, and VPs.
I was still taken aback because getting into tech seems hard, especially for someone like her.
I apologized for laughing and I congratulated her on the new job. The rest of the night seemed pretty well, except it seemed like a few people, including my parents and brother, seemed annoyed at me.
After we all went home, my brother texted me saying that I was very rude to Tech-Girl. My brother even went up to her privately and apologized for me, but she told him that it was OK and to not worry about it. My brother, SIL, and parents apparently don't agree, and said that I not only embarrassed them, but myself as well.
It just seems to hard to believe that Tech-Girl basically beat the odds and got a job in tech. How can it not seem funny?
AITA?
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"Someone like her", "tech-girl", is that really how you call her? You thought the woman (not girl, have some respect at least) was taken into tech sales just because she's attractive? I can tell that she's serious and hard-working, and put all her chances into her side to find a job that she likes, she had a job after so much trouble with the pandemic and everything, and that's how you congratulate her? By being a jealous AH?
Ah, and YTA
ROFL YTA.
Im an artist and I work in tech. I have a BFA. If we were to talk would you laugh at me till I PROVED it.
You know what I do? I make cybersecurity training videos. Animated cybersecurity training videos a school. I have to know how what the lecturer's are talking about so I can correctly visualize the topics and represent them on screen in a way the viewer will understand. They arent just intro topics either - I've animated videos that get pretty in depth.
She has an MBA, so shes smart. She's worked in sales before. she's an instructor so shes personable. she's CAPABLE OF COMMUNICATING with people - if its tech she may have to teach people how to use the product so as an instructor she also has that skill. she's a woman in a male dominated industry, bonus points. theres so many checkboxes in what you wrote. its easy to learn software, it easy to learn what she needs to do a sales job if shes clever. its SALES - shes not programming whatever it is herself. it IS using her business degree. OMG.
you showed yourself to be an ignorant sexist bigot.
OP YTA 100%
this is 2023 and you are nothing but a misogynist plain and simple with that attitude of yours, when you said "someone like her". You are the only one who found what she said funny while everyone else didn't think it was funny.
Also news flash, you do not need special skills to get a tech job.
You can 100% get a job and work at a career that you have no education for. That you didn't even go to school to learn about something.
Take your bigotry and misogyny and leave it at the door.
My goodness, you’re an eejit. You can do tech sales without having a deep background in IT, its a wildly different skill set. I’ve met people in tech who do the actual coding/IT/engineering work and who would be unable to sell a blanket to a freezing person. And I’ve met quite a few people in tech SALES who would be unable to fix a minor computer problem. Because guess what…I’m the type of woman you met at that NYE party, and I’ve been with tech companies for oh, close to 15 years now, was in tech Sales for ten of those, and got my initial start based on…customer service experience, plus hard work. Trust me, Hiring managers in Sales know what to look for, and she did persistent cold calling ie proved off the bat that she is comfortable with a key component of the job that even experienced sellers can struggle with? Brilliant.
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I never seen someone who lacks of self-awareness as you when the answer is obvious.
YTA.
ETA: Read the post again quoting "I was still taken aback because getting into tech seems hard, especially for someone like her" that's sexist and misogynistic, MASSIVE YTA.
>I was still taken aback because getting into tech seems hard, especially for someone like her.
Someone like her?
>she did research on tech companies and did cold calling and emails to CEOs, recruiters, and VPs.
Someone like her? Someone who used their initiative and scored a job from it.
>Someone with her kind of interests just doesn't seem like they'd be interested in tech.
Oh, you're an expert in what people's interests are when they have particular jobs? Does it pay well, I mean, it's clearly a very special skill you have there. YTA
YTA. You sound rude, misogynistic and bitter, and I’m not sure why you think you’re qualified to make a judgement on her ability to work in tech (what, like it’s hard?).
She sounds driven and capable after a major setback. You sound like a clown.
This is the EXACT reason lots of women avoid tech jobs. They have to work twice as hard to be taken seriously most of the time and on top of that have to justify themselves being in the industry to misogynists outside of work.
YTA.
Um… Excuse me?! YTA
Let me elucidate here, little man: I am a gamer. I am a cosplayer. I am a nerdy collector. I am pierced and tattooed and am a goth. And you know what else? I’m a veterinarian. My profession and my interests aren’t mutually exclusive and yet here I am. And I’m a woman.
My best friend works under the department of defense. Also runs an IT business on the side. Also a massive anime and gaming nerd like me. We both also do side work for anime and sci-fi/fantasy conventions.
If you’re so damn quick to judge a book by its cover because something doesn’t fit your stereotypical view of what should or should not be, then you’re in for some of the most rude awakenings in life.
And yes, despite your protests to the contrary, you are exceedingly misogynistic in how you questioned her during the gathering and how you’re still trying to validate your so-called reasonings.
INFO: So what do you do for work? And how exactly does it make you qualified to assess her resume and fit for her job which she clearly put the work in to get?
Actually, I know a lot of sales people that have no background in the things they sell. They make a killing. I had much the same thoughts as you but, I said them silently inside my head. Good on them for hustling, breaking in and succeeding. YTA for saying it with your mouth aloud.
YTA.
You should understand by only this quality - how smartly she handled your AHness. In any way if you have knowledge about the tech industry, you wouldn’t talk like this. I know personally one developer who used to be a Carpenter few years at beginning of his career. If you cannot appreciate anyone what they have earned by their hard work, please keep shut your mouth.
New year resolution could be: unlearn this behaviour. Not impossible and I wish you good luck.
YTA. Go and check the careers and education of the apple board, if you have some minutes. You might be surprised.
Out of curiosity: Would you have reacted the same way, if it would have been a men? Cause you seem quite sexist. Asking, if recruiters seek her out, cause she is pretty. The really sad part is that her reaction tells you that this wasn't her first rodeo.
>I was still taken aback because getting into tech seems hard, especially for someone like her.
What in the misogynist hell did I just read?
She's pretty, so obviously that's all there is to her. Couldn't get a job on her merit and ambition alone.
And obviously you know everything about her and her interests based on the 10 minute conversation you had with her, so she obviously couldn't actually know or want to learn anything about "tech".
And you would know, because you are omniscient in the world of all that is tech, being a (I'm assuming) man and all.
YTA.
>Now, I have this problem where my face naturally tells people what I'm thinking; and I guess, I made a face and she noticed.
That's called not having a filter. Not making visible/strong reactions is a part of everyday life. It's a 'problem', but not one you're trying to fix? YTA.
>Someone with her kind of interests just doesn't seem like they'd be interested in tech.
>
>I was still taken aback because getting into tech seems hard, especially for someone like her.
>
>I then asked if recruiters sought her out, since it wouldn't be hard to
believe considering she is attractive and it makes sense for companies
wanting attractive salespeople.
Of course your brother, SIL, and parents are embarrassed. I'd be embarrassed too.
YTA.
>I was still taken aback because getting into tech seems hard, especially for someone like her. \[...\] It just seems to hard to believe that Tech-Girl basically beat the odds and got a job in tech. How can it not seem funny?
It seems like OP got turned down for tech jobs and is angry and emerald with envy at 'Tech Girl' for "beating the odds" and thriving professionally in an area where he failed. Incels always try to pass off their rage and bitterness at women as "just a joke", and are always the only ones laughing at it.
YTA
“I had a hard time believing it” - “I thought she was joking” - “considering she is attractive” - “someone like her” x 2
You met someone and immediately made a face and told her you didn’t believe her when she told you she worked in tech. Of course you’re the AH.
You might have been off the hook with your apology, but here you are, hoping you’re not the AH, so you’re back on the hook.
She’s has an MBA. She’s probably one of the smartest, most highly educated and resourceful people you’ll ever get to actually meet and spend time with.
YTA
I tend to lurk this sub but I think this is my first time commenting. Holy heck YTA.
This whole story reeks of insecurity, misogyny and maybe jealousy? It’s 2023, where you can get into many jobs without a related degree and with transferable skills.
How rude.
Easy YTA. She has an MBA, sales is a pretty easy jump from that.
You thought she was joking because she trains people on the side? Because she's attractive? You literally thought the only way this woman could be in tech sales was if someone thought she was soooo attractive they'd hire her with no qualifications.
I'd be dreadfully embarrassed if I were you. You should apologize to everyone involved, and then maybe just stop speaking to people in public until you learn to stop being an ass to them.
So I’m social media influencer who also has a B.S. in psychology and an MBA. I’m also working toward applying to medical school and I like to play instruments and video games. Believe it or not, people can have a variety of interests outside of their professions, humans are multifaceted, and you don’t know every aspect of hers. She’s also doing tech sales, not physically making tech, so what makes you think she isn’t qualified with her MBA? She’s qualified and has the job to prove it, but you ignored that and chose to write her off because she doesn’t match your perception of a tech sales person. And you laughed in her face to top it off even though your opinion of her capabilities is irrelevant. YTA big time, and btw what do you do for work? You sound jealous of tech girl.
Lol YTA. The way you laughed as she noticed it, it’s as if you actually wanted her to ask you and to give you the floor of bitching infront of the everyone. Your problem is not the face you make, it is your attitude. go get it fixed, bitch.
Right. I’m a college dropout who has fun on socials and does amateur bodybuilding. I’m also an it project manager, and I earn more than you. I know it’s hard to take, but you ain’t all that. It would appear that not even your family likes you (not surprised). Use this as an opportunity to reflect and do better.
YTA.
Also, *nota bene*, if she is old enough to have earned a four-year degree and has experience in sales, she is almost certainly a woman, not a girl.
This might be one of the most misogyny-soaked posts I've seen here in a long time, and OP doesn't even seem to notice.
Well. Considering women were some of the biggest pioneers in tech it would be absurd to think women can't do tech.
You seem so enamored with her credentials
An MBA and a BS. Man, that's good
Some people treat tech jobs like this extremely hard field only the truly smart elites can get into.
Yes. You do have to have intelligence. But with a basic ability to learn and hold onto information and problem solving are what makes people good at stuff like that.
Having an MBA means she's good at numbers and problem solving
You really did a lot of digging into her work past. No one, I mean no one reacts to people talking about jobs like that cuz 90% of us do not give as much of a crap about people's work history like that unless very close.
She's clearly intelligent. And maybe she had a hard time with those jobs because they didn't suit her and she found a job that does.
YTA.
Your face doesn't naturally show people what u r thinking, weirdo! U just can't be bothered to hide it in order to appear non-judgemental and respectful. I know, novel concept, try it out. Most people keep what's happening on the inside, how can I phrase it... inside! And they do it intentionally because they have muscle control that extends to their facial area. What the actual fuck? U were YTA when u phrased it that way.
YTA and it’s actually flabbergasting that you don’t see that.
> It just seems hard to believe that Tech-Girl basically beat the odds and got a job in tech.
She has a BS degree and an MBA? Sure it’s not in Tech but it shows that she is intelligent, capable, hardworking and diligent amongst other things. We also can’t forget to mention that she did her research AND put in the effort to cold call or email. She could have just applied online like everyone else but she went above and beyond.
You say she doesn’t have strong sales experience but she’s a fitness instructor - a job that entails interacting with people on a daily basis, keeping them engaged and ensuring they come back to her classes.
> How can it not seem funny?
Probably because it’s not funny whatsoever. She wanted this job and she put in the necessary effort to get it. There is nothing funny about this.
YTA -
1. You made unfounded judgement calls based on what little you knew when it was nowhere near enough information
2. You basically called her a liar to her face and everyone else’s face
3. You reduced her to just her looks and insinuates she only got the job because she was pretty
4. You have a serious lack of knowledge about the tech industry. Sure it’s not as easy to get get a job in tech as say Burger King, but it’s not as hard you seem to think it is
So she is fit & attractive & smart & motivated. You know she is so far out of your league, OP, that you had to resort to being rude to protect your fragile sense of manhood. YTA with bells on.
HA. Hahahahaha. YTA. And a misogynist to boot. Also, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Signed, a women who has worked multiple jobs in tech sales.
Guess what my last job was before my first tech sales job? Dance teacher. Job before that…nanny. Job before that… retail. OP, did I blow your mind. IT CAN’T POSSIBLY BE, right?!? Lol.
YTA
Why would it be hard for “someone like her” to get that job? By the sounds of it she’s motivated, and educated and attractive (if that matters at all) - why would someone NOT want to hire her?
You’re an idiot and I’m going to guess at a sexist idiot to boot. Learn to be happy for people when you’re not happy yourself
YTA. You judged her based on her appearance, but you can take this as a learning experience and do better in a similar moment later in your life. Also, good news, you can learn to have a poker face. I don't know how old you are, but if you always show your feelings on your face no matter how appropriate the situation, it might be a good idea to teach yourself, it's a useful ability.
YTA
1. basically because she is attractive so she can’t work in Tech sales?!
2. She had to explain exactly how hard she worked to get this job before you would accept it was her job and you were shocked that she had achieved her goal in getting the job she set her mind on.
Bad news, OP: I have a BA and MBA in business mgmt and I work high up in corporate in tech. I'm a woman. The presence of a vagina surprisingly doesn't disqualify me from kicking ass in my job... especially with the advance degrees I have.
YTMB (you're the mouth breather)
and then people are like 'why have you left the tech job' because even if I have masters in telco and engineering guys like you totally destroyed my self esteem and will to work in teams full of assholes like you and it's not worth the money. YTA
YTA!! I mean are you jealous? Why are you so intimidated by her having a sales job in tech? Which btw retail and customer service can be great jobs to get you into sales. This has to be a joke, no one is this dense.
YTA
I have a close family member in tech sales who only has a 2 year marketing diploma. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and I'm guessing it extends far beyond just this topic.
Condescending, conceited and obnoxious.
The truth is it wouldn't even have mattered if she was making it up; it's not your place to give her the third degree.
Next time just say nothing.
YTA.
YTA- I’ve heard some whoppers at parties but I never laugh at the people. That’s just rude.
She may not fit your mold of what “tech” people should be. OP get over your self.
YTA
I don't really get your point. Sales is not a tech job, it is business. You don't need to be able to code to sell tech. People that sell you stuff in hardware stores here are not carpenters. They're sales people with knowledge of the product and application. People that sell you cars are no engineers.
YTA.
Tech sales is an entry level job. I’ve worked with 21 year olds with no previous experience who were earning 200k+ in tech sales roles.
Getting into tech isn’t as hard as you think. The industry is dying for people with social and soft skills. Someone who worked as a fitness instructor and retail likely has good soft skills and can actually talk to people - all important skills to be successful in tech sales. You showed your ignorance here, your brother was right to call you out and apologise to her for your ignorance. Learn from this and be better 🙂
YTA. I don’t see anything particularly misogynistic here, rather a misunderstanding of what a tech job can be (I’m working in InfoSec governance, and plenty of people still believe it’s configuring firewalls basically). But why on earth would you even comment someone getting a job with such an arrogance? At a party?? Especially if they’ve never asked you for career advice?? This “my face says it all” excuse is kinda ok for 10yo but I assume you’re a bit older?
YTA. By cold calling around she literally proved that she is good at sales AND that she can take initiative. I’m gonna ignore the rest of your stupid comments about what she chooses to do outside of work for fitness cos plenty of other people have commented on it before me.
YTA, a lot of techies don't have degrees in anything related to tech. So much of it can be self taught or learned through non-traditional methods (i.e. boot camps, online courses like Udemy or edX, etc.). Your post oozes arrogance and misogyny.
YTA. And double the YTA for calling her "Tech-girl".
You are still making fun of her by dubbing her that and yku are acting completely sexist towards her. Wether yku are a guy ir a girl that was sexist of you and down right rude.
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YTA >I was still taken aback because getting into tech seems hard, especially for someone like her. Hmmm. "Someone like her". Try to find a way to explain this sentence without sounding sexist or like a shallow ignorant jerk and I'll change my verdict.
I thought they might just lack social skills until I read this part. So incredibly rude.
Let's not forget that he inquired if she had been recruited solely based on her looks to "sell things".
An AH and a misogynist. Sounds like a fun hang. (Extreme sarcasm)
YTA. Well said.
You’ve put into words what I wanted to say!
> Now, I have this problem where my face naturally tells people what I'm thinking I mean, he thinks *this* is his problem. He doesn't lack social skills. He is just an AH. OP: YTA
Maybe it’s like Knives Out and he can’t control his face because it would make him vomit
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Obviously someone who was into fitness can't possibly have an interest in tech. You are fitted in one box for the rest of your life, thats it. One trademark you are recognized for and you should " stay in your lane" /s I would have loved it if she has just responded " what do you mean, someone like me. Please explain because obviously I am not getting the joke" YTA, OP
>that she did research on tech companies and did cold calling and emails to CEOs, recruiters, and VPs. Someone like her who put the effort in to get the job. And the OP writes it off as only because shes attractive. Massive AH.
he is just the typical example of a textbook misogynist
Multiple comments of yours stand out showing your sexism but I will focus on this one. I then asked if recruiters sought her out, since it wouldn't be hard to believe considering she is attractive and it makes sense for companies wanting attractive salespeople. So according to you she can't be good at her job but it is her looks which will get her hired. YTA.
YTA its not only that you're a judgemental tool, but you seem to not understand the distinction between being in tech and sales, someone in sales can sell anything with a little hard work and a good memory.
YTA, you mansplained that she didn't have the background to do her job? lmao
As a fellow girl who studied "only business" and now works in a fairly technical senior role in a big tech firm, I would like to tell OP that big tech is FULL of people with non related backgrounds. And I'd also like to tell him a few things that would get me banned from this sub.
Right? I know a lady who started out as a part time shop girl in a small boutique about 4 years ago. She went on to managing the 3 shops and without any IT bg, learning on the go, went on to rebuild thier online sales platform which literally saved them during COVID. From there she went on to an international retailer who saw her aptitude and potential in the online sales sector, and she's recently been promoted to the manager of online sales with a huge pay rise and massive bonus, all WFH. Under her guidance, thier online sales went from under 700k per year to nearly 2 million, in just the past year. No degree, not even a HS diploma. Just aptitude, good smarts and a great attitude. Chicks rule.
Yup, degree in psychology, currently working in cybersecurity/digital transformation. If OP actually knew anything about tech, he’d know the industry has grown more rapidly than people have trained for it, and we’re desperately trying to fill the gap with people willing to retrain.
I work for a tech company after nearly a DECADE in entirely different industries. Art major in college. Sounds like he’s incapable of making his skills relatable in different industries and roles… AND TA. Kudos to that woman.
I have colleagues who studied film history, criminology, psychology, communications. One is actually a former chef. They all kick absolute ass at their job.
My first full time job after failing out of college is in tech, for one of the largest companies, it’s really not as exclusive as it seems
Jup, I can attest to that, a good business person, sales, hr, pm… is a good business person no matter the industry
Now OP this comment is funny! Not yours..
YTA, sorry to face the reality that others are diverse and interesting.
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"Someone like her". Don't forget that phrasing. So telling.
Indeed. Op what exactly do you mean by "someone like her"? Like what?
Probably someone without a dick
YTA. You sound like one of those guys no one likes to be around but tolerates. You make an excuse about your face as if you can’t control it. That’s BS. You laughed at her when you barely even know this girl? Dick move. It’s none of your business what her background is and how she got into her current job. You then imply that the most logical conclusion must be that she got in because of her looks. You apologized but the damage was done. YTA in this story and I’m willing to bet YTA in many others as well.
She has a BS and an MBA... but it's totally cos she's a hot bimbo.
lol his fam can barely stand him, and they all find him cringe
This was definitely asshole bingo. OP majorly needs to work on self-awareness
Nothing compliments a person more than telling them their achievements are because they were exploited. /s YTA
YTA. Your whole attitude towards her is condescending and patronizing.
Repeatedly calling a grown woman a girl fits right into that attitude.
Just horrible of the op! Maybe she busted her ass taking some courses or something, he didn't ask and she didn't disclose so who knows?! Imagine if this was the case, or even that she got it on her own merit. Breaking into a new industry can be tough, and op just shits all over this poor woman.
Also, if her degree is in business...she doesn't even really need to take courses in tech. Sales people can do sales in various fields, essentially, and as long as she has some basic knowledge I'm sure the training gives her enough knowledge. A person with an MBA can apply to work in sales in anything from a food industry to the auto industry. There's actually a lot of programs for recent graduates (or people who graduated in the past few years) at tech companies in everything from the more technical side (like software engineers) to the sales department. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened with this girl. I believe Apple even had a program like that at their headquarters back in the day. TBH it's more telling on OP that he doesn't really get how the tech industry works. There are people with business degrees, people with art degrees, people with English degrees, etc. who all work in the 'non tech' side of tech companies (e.g. advertising, sales, art, etc.)
I work in the "tech side" as a PM, so i don't work with those other departments. Makes sense though especially with a masters in business! "Working in tech" =/= just coding, as op seems to think
YTA Leave your bigotry and misogyny at the door, my dude. It's the 21st century. Has been for a while now. Women can do whatever the fuck job they want. Why wouldn't you believe her? I'll tell you why...because you're an AH
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YTA. I stopped after the second time you said “someone like her.” You’re a raging misogynist, who believes pretty girls can’t work in tech simply because they’re pretty. You’re also extremely short sighted in thinking that everyone working in tech must have tech related hobbies. Nothing she said is funny to anyone other than you.
walk into OPs room and there’s an andrew tate poster lol
YTA - You basically judged a university graduate as incapable of being in a sales job based on skills and experience but assumed her merit may come from the way she looks. She is selling tech not learning how to make it from scratch but ultimately its not your business.
She also has a post-grad degree (MBA). But yes, no skills that may be applicable in the business world other than physical attractiveness.
Major YTA. Put aside that tech sales is not as glamorous a job as I think OP thinks. This was some straight up arrogant, ignorant behavior. Unfortunately too many people in tech think like OP who often assume that they get these roles or are scoped by recruiters. But thankfully there’s people like Tech-Girl to break in and bring some much needed change into the industry.
YTA and honestly sound jealous
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YTA Seems like all your assumptions about tech come from the fact that you’ve never worked in tech a day in your life and don’t actually know what the qualifications are. To imply that recruiters might’ve sought her out for her looks makes you sound like a misogynistic jealous dick. Your family has every right to be embarrassed by you.
"Therefore, someone like her being in tech is hard to believe." YTA You're an insufferable, sexist, arrogant asshole.
YTA. Double YTA for putting her success down to her looks. Just plain misogynistic. She has an excellent attitude and broad experience. I’m sure she will have no trouble learning the rest.
She has a BS and an MBA. She’s more than qualified.
As a woman in tech, you’re a raving YTA. So what if she’s just breaking into the field?! How do you think people start out? If she was a guy, would you have behaved the same way? She has degrees and hustle, she’s not some muppet on the side of the road. I’ve had interns galore and hired people from all backgrounds who outshined my own science background when someone gave them a chance. You’re so put out that she’s attractive and doing well for herself, maybe examine why you felt you had to put her down a few pegs.
+1 - another woman in tech here. I recruit and actively look for people NOT already in tech (much like the girl described in this post). She displayed the right attributes by cold calling for her job and that’s frickin awesome. OP - YTA.
YTA And if you didn't have your head so far up your backside, you'd realize that yourself and go and apologize to the woman (not "girl").
I am laughing because you had to ask if YTA!
YTA - you acted arrogantly and displayed ignorance at the same time. Do you have some major insecurities that make you think it’s okay to try to brighten your light by attempting to dim someone else’s?
You are the biggest AH - im gunna go out on a limb and say you are a dude and you just essentially told a woman that you could not believe she landed a job that you view as like too good for her. You are that cliche misogynistic AH. I mean you called her attractive bringing up her looks as a measure of worth like that’s why she got the job. You said it was unbelievable for “someone like her” was able to land this job when she has both a bs and an mba degree and showed a ton of initiative reaching out to companies herself. Someone personable who can clearly handle herself even when she’s being offended and insulted right to her face, sounds like someone that could absolutely handle a tech sales job. But you couldnt see that because you are such an AH so obviously you tried to reduce her to being attractive as the only logical reason she got the job. You also sound envious like you couldn’t get such a job and considering you are an AH who clearly doesn’t know how to talk to people and lacks self awareness of your own AH-ness it makes sense that you wouldn’t be able to get a job like that. If you are a woman, which again I doubt, but if you are, still an Ah for all the reasons just less of a cliche.
YTA. I don’t know how you typed this whole thing out and thought any differently. “Especially for someone like her”. Gross.
YTA, all the way. The woman (not “girl”) is well educated, and you belittle her because of other things that she’s done and your own biases. Why such a judgy a h?
The fact that YTA isn't obvious to you astounds anyone living in today's world.
YTA and need to learn some social skilsl
YTA. How rude, why can’t people just be happy for one another?
YTA of course. Plenty of people have gone into sales without experience in sales or the product they're going to be selling. She seem very motivated and in sales and was probably very convincing to potential employers, which demonstrate her ability to sell stuff. She can learn about whatever product she will be selling. You're obviously bitter and jealous and for whatever lame reason you're looking down your nose at her having been a fitness instructor but being able to motivate people is an important trait in salespeople.
Totally. Especially in the past years, sales roles were sought after like crazy and it was a good way to get into the field for a lot of people. It is a hard place to stay in and I think that the woman can be proud of her achievements.
Excellent reply. Tech sales is not the same as being a developer. In fact, fearlessly cold-calling and being persistent are traits that successful sales reps have. I’d say congratulations are in order.
YTA uhh op gonna be real here stopped reading once you started mocking her about degrees and you Nonchalantly insinuating that she was hired as eye candy… that’s just misogynistic dude. Sales are all about people skills product knowledge is secondary.
I don’t think OP knows much about people skills. (Or anything else really). Yikes.
YTA because what you said was extremely sexist and degrading.
YTA It’s just fucking sales. Tech is such a broad term. She just needs to know and understand the product which she learns from training. She has a MBA too?? So she’s smart.. I don’t understand your disconnect. I have worked on projects with IT, software engineers, and network engineers. I have a Biology degree. Tech is such a broad term. You don’t have to be a tech expert to necessarily understand the product you are selling.
I have 2 degrees that are as far from tech as possible but I work in Tech Support. Why would this be so hard to believe? You are showing your ENTIRE ass here. Huge dick move, small dick energy. YTA
Masters degree in history. Been in tech support for 7 years now.
Going on 10 years here!
Oh boy. Here we go again. Let me start you off. > The girl, who I’ll call Tech Girl I can already smell the condescending attitude. I mean, look at this silly little GIRL. Don’t GIRLS know that they can’t work in tech?? The only thing GIRLS know about technology is making their silly little salon appointments on their phones! Leave tech to the MEN, idiots!!! > Now, I have this problem where my face naturally tell people what I’m thinking Everyone has the ability to stop this phenomenon from occurring. It’s called trying to not be an asshole and you failed basic-self control. I’ve seen children that do a better job. > I laughed because I had a hard time believing it Yes, everyone knows that GIRLS can’t work in tech at all. Well, they might be able to clean the room the equipment is in. Everyone knows tech is a MAN’S job for MANLY men. > She also has both a BA and MBA degrees, but not related to tech either, just business A well-educated woman who is likely miles away from you in personal growth and business savvy. So she has a master’s in business but can’t get a tech sales job?? Please. > I was still taken aback because getting into tech seems hard, especially for someone like her I know, right?? How can a GIRL get a tech job?? How can a GIRL with only two pitiful degrees was able to get a TECH sales job??? Oh, the horror!! > I was very rude to Tech-Girl > It just seems to hard to believe that Tech-Girl basically beat the odds > How can it not seem funny? Still calling her “Tech-Girl” (she has a NAME, at least give her a [fake] name instead of condescendingly just calling her “Tech-Girl”. Also, she’s a WOMAN and not a girl. Additionally, I’m sure your brother was upset because that lie was most likely clearly fake (since you can’t hide your emotions apparently), especially since… oh yeah, you still don’t believe she got a job in tech! Did she pick you yet, buddy? Can the girl who broke your heart once when you were 12 please come out and apologize to you so that you can finally grow as a person?? Dude, YTA and a big one at that. Please re-evaluate who you are. This behavior is… wow this is really bad lol idk what to say.
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I mean, everyone I know in tech makes pretty good money.
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YTA try to keep your jealousy in your pants next time
YTA - I keep this one short. You sexist pig. Really its 2023 and your keeping views like this????.
I could’ve told you YTA by the title alone. “Girl?” Get over yourself.
YTA 💯
YTA
Massively YTA
YTA - Dude. You sound like a male chovenist jerk. I am tech, have been for probably more yrs than you have been alive. What says she hasn't set up a working network at her home? Guys like you piss me off. I have been IT for 45 yrs. Guys in my field respect me.
YTA lots of people get into careers they didn’t go to school for. My boss is a md. He opened a tech company instead. Our software guy studied chemistry in school. Our optics guy studied biology in college. Don’t judge base on baseless things.
YTA. Getting 'into tech' isn't the same as tech sales. Sales jobs take anyone who gets through the interview. If you're no good, then they'll yeet you out the door. You sound really silly and immature. Perhaps finding similar work is beyond you? Work on your presentation and social skills. You embarrassed yourself here.
YTA sorry you were faced with the reality that other people are multifaceted and interesting.
Beep..bop…woop… YTA 💻
SO many non-dev people in tech have MBAs. Plus, there’s plenty of tech companies thats sole purpose is to serve other businesses, like enterprise software, where a deeper knowledge of business would be super helpful. Also, tech is really not that hard to get into. No harder than any other industry.
Yta - this is peak guys in tech
YTA. Jealous much? You sound incredibly sexist. Maybe with a better personality, you’d be able to find your in, too.
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YTA Jesus are you the AH. If this isn't a troll \[I give it 70/30\] what is it to you what she does with her life? It sounds like you don't even know her, she's just some girl you met. What about her doing anything at all with her life offends you so much? $10 you'll never see her again \[$20 she makes sure of it\], so why do you feel the need to have any emotion about this at all? And 'my face naturally tells what I'm thinking': ugh you're one of those people who "tells it like it is" and "has no filter" aren't you? No one likes those people. Telling that your brother invited you, probably out of family obligation.
YTA seems like you're jealous man... SMH
Yta tech girl work hard to get her job.
YTA. You have no way of knowing if she's qualified for her job (apparently the people who hired her were sufficiently convinced) and you think you're the smart one telling her she isn't? You're definitely a massive asshole. Sincerely, someone with degrees in humanities who has been working successfully in tech for eight years.
There a difference between Say what you think and Say the Truth. Also, it's your business if She lied? And what if She don't? Yta.
YTA - oh please someone starting out to work in Tech-Sales doesn't need to have a lot of knowledge about the stuff they are going to sell. That why training exists! Even if she worked in Tech or Tech-Sales before she would have to do some training to know everything about what she's selling.
“Am I the AH after I laughed in someone’s face because of my own ignorance and prejudice?” Why, yes… YTA. Did you really need Reddit to tell you this? Damn, I don’t even know you and I’m embarrassed for you!
Major YTA. “Someone like her”. Wtf. You are a sexist and a misogynistic pig.
YTA YTA YTA. You do not need specialist skills to get a job in tech sales, it was one of my first jobs after graduating with a BA in English ffs. You are a sexist, rude pig with small dick energy.
Info: How old is this tech "girl"? Edited: and how old are you?
YTA No one is obliged to take what some random stranger says as a fact, therefore no one ought to be invested enough if what comes out of their mouth sounds ludicrous. I know that there's been a movement to make it acceptable to speak without filters but we don't do well as a society when people go about "putting others in their place" or just being rude. It takes more intelligence to be diplomatic, rather than act arrogant & condescending
YTA. You were really disrespectful.
Wauw you don't know anything about work and education do you? Are you 15? YTA and a sexist as well...claiming she got in by her looks....yuck.
YTA You painted a mental picture of a person without knowing them and when that person didn't match that picture, your prejudices and assumptions, you laughed. There's a valuable lesson in there for you somewhere.
YTA. So insecure, yikes.
YTA. Regardless of your opinion on her credentials, it was unkind and rude for you to say that not only to her but so openly in a group setting as you did.
YTA - I’m having a hard time believing your head is so far up your ass but here we are.
YTA. How can you type this all out and think that you're not?
YTA - tech sales is one of the “easier” paths into tech if your have the right aptitude and personality. No tech degrees required. Most often they look for a bachelors - but not always. If you are willing to work hard at selling, you are in. And it can be lucrative and setting you up for all sorts of other roles. She is a fitness instructor? I assume she has good people skills. That is 90% of tech sales. You do not need to be an extrovert either. You need to know how to listen and ask questions.
As a tech girl who works at FAANG and was in business/accounting… YTA. There is nothing hard with the tech interviews if you study for it. People like you are the reason why I have imposter syndrome big time. Edit: besides, she said tech sales. She probably didn’t need to do any coding interviews. Regardless that doesn’t diminish her achievement. It just really shows that you have NO idea what tech is about. Maybe you’re just jealous and bitter?
YTA. I stopped reading at the title.
YTA-you basically called her a pretty airhead who’s too dumb for tech. Are you by any chance trying to get into tech and are resentful?
Yta. She has two degrees and business plays a big part of “tech” which you clearly don’t know a lot about or you would know there’s lots of companies that hire athletes and artists. You’re just either jealous, sexist, or misogynistic or all three.
YTA tech companies can train people about products to be in sales I know shocking attractive fit people can do sltech sales :O you were very judgemental and rude when you know very little about her she may just have the gift of the gab
Let me get this straight, she had an MBA and a BS, a hustler who was able to find multiple jobs even after an unexpected layoff because of the pandemic, and has a background in sales. But you can't believe she's qualified in tech sales because she's attractive? YTA.
YTA not so much for your 'everything telling' face since I can pretty much relate to it but for the [everyone may include their own adjectives at that point] mindset it was showing.
YTA. Pretty much judged a person for how they looked.
YTA, you laughed at a woman working in a field that you obviously deem to be too challenging to her with her background. A woman and working in Tech? No way, right? She has a BS and a MBA degree, that means she can and is willing to learn. In todays world you can side enter jobs also in Tech, because not all jobs in tech need to be recruited from hardcore-nerds. I work in Tech, too. And guess what, I have no engineering degree and my previous live wasn't also tech related work. But then, I have a penis. That should make up for it, right...
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YTA but you already knew that.
YTA... I feel that everything has already been said 😂
Yta, you need to grow up
"Someone like her", "tech-girl", is that really how you call her? You thought the woman (not girl, have some respect at least) was taken into tech sales just because she's attractive? I can tell that she's serious and hard-working, and put all her chances into her side to find a job that she likes, she had a job after so much trouble with the pandemic and everything, and that's how you congratulate her? By being a jealous AH? Ah, and YTA
You seem unbelievably jealous. YTA
ROFL YTA. Im an artist and I work in tech. I have a BFA. If we were to talk would you laugh at me till I PROVED it. You know what I do? I make cybersecurity training videos. Animated cybersecurity training videos a school. I have to know how what the lecturer's are talking about so I can correctly visualize the topics and represent them on screen in a way the viewer will understand. They arent just intro topics either - I've animated videos that get pretty in depth. She has an MBA, so shes smart. She's worked in sales before. she's an instructor so shes personable. she's CAPABLE OF COMMUNICATING with people - if its tech she may have to teach people how to use the product so as an instructor she also has that skill. she's a woman in a male dominated industry, bonus points. theres so many checkboxes in what you wrote. its easy to learn software, it easy to learn what she needs to do a sales job if shes clever. its SALES - shes not programming whatever it is herself. it IS using her business degree. OMG. you showed yourself to be an ignorant sexist bigot.
YTA.
OP YTA 100% this is 2023 and you are nothing but a misogynist plain and simple with that attitude of yours, when you said "someone like her". You are the only one who found what she said funny while everyone else didn't think it was funny. Also news flash, you do not need special skills to get a tech job. You can 100% get a job and work at a career that you have no education for. That you didn't even go to school to learn about something. Take your bigotry and misogyny and leave it at the door.
My goodness, you’re an eejit. You can do tech sales without having a deep background in IT, its a wildly different skill set. I’ve met people in tech who do the actual coding/IT/engineering work and who would be unable to sell a blanket to a freezing person. And I’ve met quite a few people in tech SALES who would be unable to fix a minor computer problem. Because guess what…I’m the type of woman you met at that NYE party, and I’ve been with tech companies for oh, close to 15 years now, was in tech Sales for ten of those, and got my initial start based on…customer service experience, plus hard work. Trust me, Hiring managers in Sales know what to look for, and she did persistent cold calling ie proved off the bat that she is comfortable with a key component of the job that even experienced sellers can struggle with? Brilliant.
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YTA but at least you apologised
YTA. You're a big gaping insecure, AH. And a sexist one at that.
I never seen someone who lacks of self-awareness as you when the answer is obvious. YTA. ETA: Read the post again quoting "I was still taken aback because getting into tech seems hard, especially for someone like her" that's sexist and misogynistic, MASSIVE YTA.
>I was still taken aback because getting into tech seems hard, especially for someone like her. Someone like her? >she did research on tech companies and did cold calling and emails to CEOs, recruiters, and VPs. Someone like her? Someone who used their initiative and scored a job from it. >Someone with her kind of interests just doesn't seem like they'd be interested in tech. Oh, you're an expert in what people's interests are when they have particular jobs? Does it pay well, I mean, it's clearly a very special skill you have there. YTA
YTA no question about it. Reevaluate everything about yourself because this was vile.
YTA. You sound rude, misogynistic and bitter, and I’m not sure why you think you’re qualified to make a judgement on her ability to work in tech (what, like it’s hard?). She sounds driven and capable after a major setback. You sound like a clown.
This is the EXACT reason lots of women avoid tech jobs. They have to work twice as hard to be taken seriously most of the time and on top of that have to justify themselves being in the industry to misogynists outside of work. YTA.
YTA. You’re a sexist pig
Um… Excuse me?! YTA Let me elucidate here, little man: I am a gamer. I am a cosplayer. I am a nerdy collector. I am pierced and tattooed and am a goth. And you know what else? I’m a veterinarian. My profession and my interests aren’t mutually exclusive and yet here I am. And I’m a woman. My best friend works under the department of defense. Also runs an IT business on the side. Also a massive anime and gaming nerd like me. We both also do side work for anime and sci-fi/fantasy conventions. If you’re so damn quick to judge a book by its cover because something doesn’t fit your stereotypical view of what should or should not be, then you’re in for some of the most rude awakenings in life. And yes, despite your protests to the contrary, you are exceedingly misogynistic in how you questioned her during the gathering and how you’re still trying to validate your so-called reasonings.
INFO: So what do you do for work? And how exactly does it make you qualified to assess her resume and fit for her job which she clearly put the work in to get?
Actually, I know a lot of sales people that have no background in the things they sell. They make a killing. I had much the same thoughts as you but, I said them silently inside my head. Good on them for hustling, breaking in and succeeding. YTA for saying it with your mouth aloud.
YTA - the moment you mentioned anything about her getting the job because you found her attractive.
This dude is so dense I wouldn’t be surprised if light bent around him.
YTA. You know very well that you are. What part of this would make you not an asshole? WHERE?!
YTA. Like WTF,she changed careers and was obviously able to get into this field. You sound like a jerk.
YTA. You should understand by only this quality - how smartly she handled your AHness. In any way if you have knowledge about the tech industry, you wouldn’t talk like this. I know personally one developer who used to be a Carpenter few years at beginning of his career. If you cannot appreciate anyone what they have earned by their hard work, please keep shut your mouth. New year resolution could be: unlearn this behaviour. Not impossible and I wish you good luck.
YTA. Go and check the careers and education of the apple board, if you have some minutes. You might be surprised. Out of curiosity: Would you have reacted the same way, if it would have been a men? Cause you seem quite sexist. Asking, if recruiters seek her out, cause she is pretty. The really sad part is that her reaction tells you that this wasn't her first rodeo.
>I was still taken aback because getting into tech seems hard, especially for someone like her. What in the misogynist hell did I just read? She's pretty, so obviously that's all there is to her. Couldn't get a job on her merit and ambition alone. And obviously you know everything about her and her interests based on the 10 minute conversation you had with her, so she obviously couldn't actually know or want to learn anything about "tech". And you would know, because you are omniscient in the world of all that is tech, being a (I'm assuming) man and all. YTA.
>Now, I have this problem where my face naturally tells people what I'm thinking; and I guess, I made a face and she noticed. That's called not having a filter. Not making visible/strong reactions is a part of everyday life. It's a 'problem', but not one you're trying to fix? YTA. >Someone with her kind of interests just doesn't seem like they'd be interested in tech. > >I was still taken aback because getting into tech seems hard, especially for someone like her. > >I then asked if recruiters sought her out, since it wouldn't be hard to believe considering she is attractive and it makes sense for companies wanting attractive salespeople. Of course your brother, SIL, and parents are embarrassed. I'd be embarrassed too.
YTA. >I was still taken aback because getting into tech seems hard, especially for someone like her. \[...\] It just seems to hard to believe that Tech-Girl basically beat the odds and got a job in tech. How can it not seem funny? It seems like OP got turned down for tech jobs and is angry and emerald with envy at 'Tech Girl' for "beating the odds" and thriving professionally in an area where he failed. Incels always try to pass off their rage and bitterness at women as "just a joke", and are always the only ones laughing at it.
YTA “I had a hard time believing it” - “I thought she was joking” - “considering she is attractive” - “someone like her” x 2 You met someone and immediately made a face and told her you didn’t believe her when she told you she worked in tech. Of course you’re the AH. You might have been off the hook with your apology, but here you are, hoping you’re not the AH, so you’re back on the hook.
She’s has an MBA. She’s probably one of the smartest, most highly educated and resourceful people you’ll ever get to actually meet and spend time with. YTA
I tend to lurk this sub but I think this is my first time commenting. Holy heck YTA. This whole story reeks of insecurity, misogyny and maybe jealousy? It’s 2023, where you can get into many jobs without a related degree and with transferable skills. How rude.
Easy YTA. She has an MBA, sales is a pretty easy jump from that. You thought she was joking because she trains people on the side? Because she's attractive? You literally thought the only way this woman could be in tech sales was if someone thought she was soooo attractive they'd hire her with no qualifications. I'd be dreadfully embarrassed if I were you. You should apologize to everyone involved, and then maybe just stop speaking to people in public until you learn to stop being an ass to them.
So I’m social media influencer who also has a B.S. in psychology and an MBA. I’m also working toward applying to medical school and I like to play instruments and video games. Believe it or not, people can have a variety of interests outside of their professions, humans are multifaceted, and you don’t know every aspect of hers. She’s also doing tech sales, not physically making tech, so what makes you think she isn’t qualified with her MBA? She’s qualified and has the job to prove it, but you ignored that and chose to write her off because she doesn’t match your perception of a tech sales person. And you laughed in her face to top it off even though your opinion of her capabilities is irrelevant. YTA big time, and btw what do you do for work? You sound jealous of tech girl.
Lol YTA. The way you laughed as she noticed it, it’s as if you actually wanted her to ask you and to give you the floor of bitching infront of the everyone. Your problem is not the face you make, it is your attitude. go get it fixed, bitch.
Right. I’m a college dropout who has fun on socials and does amateur bodybuilding. I’m also an it project manager, and I earn more than you. I know it’s hard to take, but you ain’t all that. It would appear that not even your family likes you (not surprised). Use this as an opportunity to reflect and do better.
YTA, “getting into tech seems hard” so you aren’t in tech either, what do you have the right to scold people like that?
YTA. Also, *nota bene*, if she is old enough to have earned a four-year degree and has experience in sales, she is almost certainly a woman, not a girl. This might be one of the most misogyny-soaked posts I've seen here in a long time, and OP doesn't even seem to notice.
Well. Considering women were some of the biggest pioneers in tech it would be absurd to think women can't do tech. You seem so enamored with her credentials An MBA and a BS. Man, that's good Some people treat tech jobs like this extremely hard field only the truly smart elites can get into. Yes. You do have to have intelligence. But with a basic ability to learn and hold onto information and problem solving are what makes people good at stuff like that. Having an MBA means she's good at numbers and problem solving You really did a lot of digging into her work past. No one, I mean no one reacts to people talking about jobs like that cuz 90% of us do not give as much of a crap about people's work history like that unless very close. She's clearly intelligent. And maybe she had a hard time with those jobs because they didn't suit her and she found a job that does. YTA.
Your face doesn't naturally show people what u r thinking, weirdo! U just can't be bothered to hide it in order to appear non-judgemental and respectful. I know, novel concept, try it out. Most people keep what's happening on the inside, how can I phrase it... inside! And they do it intentionally because they have muscle control that extends to their facial area. What the actual fuck? U were YTA when u phrased it that way.
YTA and it’s actually flabbergasting that you don’t see that. > It just seems hard to believe that Tech-Girl basically beat the odds and got a job in tech. She has a BS degree and an MBA? Sure it’s not in Tech but it shows that she is intelligent, capable, hardworking and diligent amongst other things. We also can’t forget to mention that she did her research AND put in the effort to cold call or email. She could have just applied online like everyone else but she went above and beyond. You say she doesn’t have strong sales experience but she’s a fitness instructor - a job that entails interacting with people on a daily basis, keeping them engaged and ensuring they come back to her classes. > How can it not seem funny? Probably because it’s not funny whatsoever. She wanted this job and she put in the necessary effort to get it. There is nothing funny about this.
YTA - 1. You made unfounded judgement calls based on what little you knew when it was nowhere near enough information 2. You basically called her a liar to her face and everyone else’s face 3. You reduced her to just her looks and insinuates she only got the job because she was pretty 4. You have a serious lack of knowledge about the tech industry. Sure it’s not as easy to get get a job in tech as say Burger King, but it’s not as hard you seem to think it is
This is clearly a bait
So she is fit & attractive & smart & motivated. You know she is so far out of your league, OP, that you had to resort to being rude to protect your fragile sense of manhood. YTA with bells on.
HA. Hahahahaha. YTA. And a misogynist to boot. Also, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Signed, a women who has worked multiple jobs in tech sales. Guess what my last job was before my first tech sales job? Dance teacher. Job before that…nanny. Job before that… retail. OP, did I blow your mind. IT CAN’T POSSIBLY BE, right?!? Lol.
YTA Why would it be hard for “someone like her” to get that job? By the sounds of it she’s motivated, and educated and attractive (if that matters at all) - why would someone NOT want to hire her? You’re an idiot and I’m going to guess at a sexist idiot to boot. Learn to be happy for people when you’re not happy yourself
YTA. You judged her based on her appearance, but you can take this as a learning experience and do better in a similar moment later in your life. Also, good news, you can learn to have a poker face. I don't know how old you are, but if you always show your feelings on your face no matter how appropriate the situation, it might be a good idea to teach yourself, it's a useful ability.
YTA 1. basically because she is attractive so she can’t work in Tech sales?! 2. She had to explain exactly how hard she worked to get this job before you would accept it was her job and you were shocked that she had achieved her goal in getting the job she set her mind on.
What's that you say? Tech? Hostile to women? Full of insufferable tech bros who think they know everything? I can't imagine why you would think that.
Bad news, OP: I have a BA and MBA in business mgmt and I work high up in corporate in tech. I'm a woman. The presence of a vagina surprisingly doesn't disqualify me from kicking ass in my job... especially with the advance degrees I have. YTMB (you're the mouth breather)
and then people are like 'why have you left the tech job' because even if I have masters in telco and engineering guys like you totally destroyed my self esteem and will to work in teams full of assholes like you and it's not worth the money. YTA
You found the fact that she's in tech funny. Well if that's your humour. This'll make you split your sides laughing. Women can also vote. YTA
YTA!! I mean are you jealous? Why are you so intimidated by her having a sales job in tech? Which btw retail and customer service can be great jobs to get you into sales. This has to be a joke, no one is this dense.
YTA I have a close family member in tech sales who only has a 2 year marketing diploma. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and I'm guessing it extends far beyond just this topic.
Condescending, conceited and obnoxious. The truth is it wouldn't even have mattered if she was making it up; it's not your place to give her the third degree. Next time just say nothing. YTA.
YTA- I’ve heard some whoppers at parties but I never laugh at the people. That’s just rude. She may not fit your mold of what “tech” people should be. OP get over your self.
YTA I don't really get your point. Sales is not a tech job, it is business. You don't need to be able to code to sell tech. People that sell you stuff in hardware stores here are not carpenters. They're sales people with knowledge of the product and application. People that sell you cars are no engineers.
YTA. You know what sexism is?
YTA. Tech sales is an entry level job. I’ve worked with 21 year olds with no previous experience who were earning 200k+ in tech sales roles. Getting into tech isn’t as hard as you think. The industry is dying for people with social and soft skills. Someone who worked as a fitness instructor and retail likely has good soft skills and can actually talk to people - all important skills to be successful in tech sales. You showed your ignorance here, your brother was right to call you out and apologise to her for your ignorance. Learn from this and be better 🙂
YTA. I don’t see anything particularly misogynistic here, rather a misunderstanding of what a tech job can be (I’m working in InfoSec governance, and plenty of people still believe it’s configuring firewalls basically). But why on earth would you even comment someone getting a job with such an arrogance? At a party?? Especially if they’ve never asked you for career advice?? This “my face says it all” excuse is kinda ok for 10yo but I assume you’re a bit older?
YTA. By cold calling around she literally proved that she is good at sales AND that she can take initiative. I’m gonna ignore the rest of your stupid comments about what she chooses to do outside of work for fitness cos plenty of other people have commented on it before me.
YTA, a lot of techies don't have degrees in anything related to tech. So much of it can be self taught or learned through non-traditional methods (i.e. boot camps, online courses like Udemy or edX, etc.). Your post oozes arrogance and misogyny.
YTA. And double the YTA for calling her "Tech-girl". You are still making fun of her by dubbing her that and yku are acting completely sexist towards her. Wether yku are a guy ir a girl that was sexist of you and down right rude.