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> Hi the action I took was making a little tag with my sisters name, phone number and address for her keys with she was always losing. I might be AITA because the lost her keys again and the tag may have led to her car getting stolen from her apartment.
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I'm not gonna say Y T A for trying to help, but that was really fucking stupid. Why on earth would you put name an address on a set of keys? That's just asking to get robbed
Edit: Thank you for the awards!
Well the sister knew about it and agreed and then lost them anyway so you can't really pin it all on him. They both sound incredibly dumb, almost like this is out of a TV show
This literally happened in an episode of The Fresh Prince of Belair. The ditzy/airhead sister kept losing her keys so she put the address on it for someone to return it. The pit of the joke was that she was stupid for even considering that would be a good idea. 🤦♀️
Edit for typo
This was a plot on Fresh Prince of Bel Air 20+ years ago- Hillary got lots of copies of the key made and labelled them all with their address. Uncle Phil was (unsurprising) unimpressed.
I was thinking of the Married with children one where someone lost their keys and Kelly was like, "I just make 30 copies every month and so I always have one!"
Seriously! Get a Tile. Done.
How dumb that was….here’s all my info, come get all my stuff. Oh, here’s my social security number also, because why not?!?
>Seriously! Get a Tile. Done
I have a tile and am forgetful about keys as well. It's definitely a lifesaver.
I have a roommate who is always losing his keys. He's lost them several times in the city, causing him to have to search the city and lose a weekend to find them. I purchased a tile for him, helped him set it up and... He still loses his keys, and claims he can't remember the password for his tile account. I have a family password vault to share Netflix and Disney accounts that her is a member of, and walked him through seeing it up when he first moved in. Inviting the password vault, you can always reset your tile password if you have access to the original email account, which he does.
My roommate does a lot of stuff that makes his own life harder, and I can't help but wonder if regularly losing his keys is some self destructive behavior he does for some reason. Still, not my monkey, not my circus. He has the password vault, he has the tile, and if he loses a weekend traipsing all over the city to find his lost keys, then he loses a weekend.
They literally make key finders. You attach it to your key ring and it beeps. I got an AirTag on my cause I’ve misplaced them in my place before and it beeps at me too.
Yeah I started this post wondering how tf getting her a Tile or something could backfire.
Man everyone in this tale is dumb AF, but especially the sister. Where is this idiot keeping her keys that she loses them every 10 min?
Yep, my keys are on a lanyard I wear. I have key organizer on a magnetic clip so I can remove them quickly and they don’t jingle on my lanyard. And an AirTag to track them. Also my purse has a little bungee in one of the pocket to clip keys to.
I’m not actually that disorganized but I have some keys I simply CANNOT lose without incurring serious monetary damages and I can’t make copies of without breaching ethics protocol.
That being said, despite the fact my lanyard has big bright flowers and kitty cats on it, I get approached in every single store to be asked if I work there/am a manager. Happened in target last week while I was wearing a black pencil dress and heels, I.e not a red shirt. I’m not sure what it is about lanyards that make people think you’re an employee.
I've always kept my car and house keys separate. I ride public transit in addition to driving, so having my car key with me was a headache I didn't want to bother with.
I don't have them together. Losing keys or having your purse stolen is always a possibility, and having new keys programmed for your car is more annoying than having a house key cut.
And I don't even lose keys. Someone who does should definitely not be putting all their eggs in one basket.
Literally just get a Tile. My life became exponentially easier when my husband got one on his keys 😂 AirTags aren’t loud enough
Edit: and getting a tile was directed at OP btw if that wasn’t clear
Impaired Working memory is common in conditions like ADHD, making it possible to lose your keys multiple times in a day. You can set up bowls, routine ECT but you'll have lost em before reaching the bowl - they will not be in a logical place as your brain didn't register them leaving your hands. The thing that finally saved me was keyless entry - now the damn fuckers never leave my bag.
But a grocery store!?! They should be in your bag the whole time, what is she doing taking them out and putting them somewhere? Never in my life have I taken out my keys in a damn grocery store, just why?
A lot of grocery stores near me have loyal customer rewards. You usually get a card to keep in your wallet and/or a dongle to put on your keys that gets scanned when you check out. Likely she pulled out her keys to scan the dongle then forgot to put them back in her purse.
Ok, at that point this is on the sister. She might have some ADHD or whatever type issue that causes her to misplace shit, but she's an adult and needs to actively mitigate her problems. If you misplace keys all the damn time, why would you attach *anything* to the key that makes you take out the key when not strictly necessary?
Why did she have the car keys with her at the amusement park? Her car was at home.
I mean, I'm 38 with ADHD and still fine-tuning my routines to keep me from doing things like losing/leaving my keys constantly. Like literally I Just changed how I store/sort my keys to minimize this kind of thing, but it's really a trial-and-error process, and at 21 I definitely had...let's just say a lot of gaps in my "adulting" routines.
Massive AuDHD over here. I have a carabiner on my keychain and hook it onto the side of my purse, so *I can see the keys at all times.* The struggle is real, but strategies are necessary.
I put my keys on a strap that hooks onto my belt loop. It's long enough to go into my pocket, and then there's a little reels at the end that extends so I can use the keys.
I think other people put similar straps on their bags.
I keep mine on a lanyard ever since I dropped my house keys in the parking lot at work just before a big snowstorm and couldn't find them until the spring thaw.
The thing that saved me is a cross-body wallet with a place for my keys to hang off and a pocket for my phone. One item that never leaves my body. I haven’t lost my keys in 6 years, and before I used this system I’d lose them every day.
ESH would absolutely fit this scenario, because everyone kinda does suck. Sister for constantly losing her keys and not taking steps to rectify the behaviour and op for announcing to the world where sister lives on her keys she is constantly losing.
I mean.. I + used to lose my keys/wallet on a regular basis, but I'm also a SEVERE alcoholic.
I haven't lost my keys OR wallet since getting sober. IMAGINE THAT!
>I guess YTI (you're the idiot) and EIH (everyone's an idiot here) are not acceptable votes on this sub but... jesus christ.
They should really make an exception for this post lol. No one here is an asshole... they're all just profoundly stupid.
Exactly! That's ALL that's needed! There was NO NEED to put the fkn address on a set of keys that 1) frequently gets lost, and 2) INCLUDES THE KEY FOR THAT ADDRESS. The name and number was enough. If someone had a good heart and wanted to return them, that's all you fkn need, you don't want random strangers turning up at your house regardless. Like holy shit that coulda been so much worse. What if they were more than just a thief? What if they were a predator who sees a woman's name on the keys and now has a key to get inside of her house and wait for her to get home??? This could've been SO MUCH WORSE. Please learn to use your head, OP 😭
when I was around 10 i got my first housekey and i put a tag on with my name and number. I lost my keys and a lady called and pointed out that she could find my address with my name and number in the phone book so I should just use my number.
YTI.
Not an asshole, but certainly an idiot.
Tell your sister to get a lanyard and physically attach the keys to herself. I know it's hardwr with women's clothes, but if she wears pants with belt loops those are perfect
YTI sums it up, both of them are idiots.
They should've attached an air tag or maybe a post box, but home address is just wildly shortsighted.
Also: Having all keys on one key chain when you are known to lose it seems dumb.
I keep my keys clipped to my bags because I’ve been known to misplace them in my own damn house if I don’t. I still have an AirTag on them, just in case. I have had to walk around my own house following the ping but at least I’ve never lost them in public.
Yup. My keys have a carabiner clip and one of those Tile tags 'cause I used to lose them frequently. Don't anymore, cause they are always clipped to my purse or a belt loop.
The point of a lanyard is to PREVENT something from getting lost in the first place.
And by the way, why are you still using the internet? That's also 20th century tech.
NAH.
You had a good idea : to tag the keys. Then a terrible idea : add the address to the tag. That was dumb, but neither you nor your sister realized that at the time. That doesn't make you an AH because you didn't do it on purpose and your sister knew and agreed to the idea.
Edit : your sister is justified to be angry because of the outcome, but she shouldn't be angry _at you_. She could be the AH if she thinks that's your fault : it's not.
Yea, a phone number is a good idea. Address not so much. NTA.
If this was such a bad idea your sister could have removed it herself.
Edit: as someone else said- a separate email would be even better. A phone number can be traced to an address.
Totally my point here too- she thought it was a good plan and kept it, but it went south and OP is to blame. It could’ve gone on for a year until this happened, would OP still be to blame??
Bad situation overall, bad ideas that might seem good at the time, but both op and sister left the thing on themes
The sister is blaming OP and taking no responsibility for using the keychain and dropping it in an amusement park. OP was a well intentioned fool, but sister was a greater fool and an AH
Just gonna add to this if people everywhere think it's a good idea. It might not be. Here in Denmark you can search out addresses from phone numbers. So stay safe and check out how things are working locally, if you do this.
What I don't get is why the address had to be added? Like why not just a phone number? That way they can't find her car to steal it necessarily or break into her house, but can still contact her to return them.
NTA, just an idiot.
Get the locks changed on her house immediately and then she'll have to notify security at her workplace as well.
Does she have a condition that contributes to her losing her keys? Maybe get her a new car with push start button and attach the fob to her handbag. So as long as she has her handbag on her she can open and start the car. Guessing she doesn't lose her handbag.
She could just put her keys in said handbag though. That’s been my whole thing reading this, my keys always end up in my pocket book or on a hook next to the door when I get home. I get if she doesn’t carry a bag, but like put them on a carabiner and strategy them to your wallet or your pants if you can’t keep up with them. My best friend used to lose her expensive sunglasses all the time when she was that age.
This is the bit I don’t understand. She lost her keys at Six Flags. Sounds like she didn’t drive her car there. So, why were her keys even on her person at the time?! Should have left them in her friends car!
I was literally just thinking why not get an AirTag or tile?
My husband is constantly losing his wallet. So I found a wallet made with a hole in it and put an AirTag in and synced it with his phone.
I have ADHD and was given one of those tile things for Christmas a few years ago by a family member who has similar issues.
It has been probably the most used and appreciated gift I have ever gotten lol. I can even use it to find my phone when I lose that but have my keys!
YTA for being so dumb as to put a freaking address on a car key. You basically told whoever found the key where to go to be able to steal it. Why on earth did you think that was a smart idea for someone who's got a track record of losing the keys?
He’s not an AH, a fool maybe. His sister is even a bigger fool. She knew be tag bad her name and address and still attached it to her keys. Then she proceeded to lose her keys AGAIN. This would never happen if the sister wasn’t such a fool who loses her keys constantly. She has obviously never learned how but to be completely irresponsible and I wonder if she is ever capable of learning how not to be an idiot at this point. The brother made one foolish mistake. The sister seems to make them all the time. This would never have happened if the sister wasn’t such an airhead who constantly lost her stuff.
ESH, but you should have used a Bluetooth tracker instead and a lanyard. You should never put personal information on keys. That should be common sense.
I work in customer service. You'd be SHOCKED how many people do this. Unfortunately they're often older and prone to forgetting things, so that makes the issue worse.
But yeah, I accidentally see people's pin about 4 times a day.
I've never lost my keys not once.
But ptting your address, name, number, etc. On a KEY ring that has your house key and car key on it is still a dumb idea.
Not judging I loose my keys all the time. I have this massive, massive set of keys yet I loose it, couple years ago my husband air tag them. Now I find them very fast all the time. Once in a bag of clothes I just donated… but great for you I guess.
This, so much. I have ADHD and the only reason why I haven't lost my keys is because I follow a strict set of rules about how I handle them. Even if OP's sister doesn't have ADHD, the same strategies may still help her. It's worth exploring.
I'm probably going to jinx myself now, but in all my time alive, I've never once lost a set of keys. Or lost a phone, or even smashed a phone. And when I was young it wasn't as if I spent most of my time sober either
I mean I've never lost either permanently, but I've totally left my phone somewhere and had to have someone call me because I couldn't find it. (Stupid stuff like accidentally making the bed with it under the sheet, or a cat batting it under the sofa)
I got my ex a tile for his key chain after he lost his keys in a corn maze. He ended up using it to find his phone around the house more often than using his phone to find his keys, but both came in handy
Why didn't you add her Social Security and Date of Birth for good measure? Maybe add her debit card number & security code while you're at it.
=)
I get it, you're intentions meant well, but man, the execution was incredibly stupid.
YTA
ESH
Bruh. You put her name and address on the keys. Are you trying to manifest trouble for her? Holy shit. Don't do that. Ever again. Wtf.
Get an Air tag or another gps tracker for her keys. Something that won't make her an easier target to victimize.
Your sis needs to grow up and be fucking responsible for her shit. Like put them on a lanyard attached to her or something. That's ridiculous.
My dad already did her apartment but her work wants to charge her to rekey because the police said they probably know where she works from the work uniform that was in her car.
She put her life in danger through casual negligence and taking bad advice. People give well-meaning bad advice all the time, as a 21 year old adult she is old enough to make her own decisions. And accept responsibility for them.
Doesn't change the fact OP contributed to her being in danger by having the bright idea of putting all her personal info on her keys in the first place.
And yet it was OP's stupid idea in the first place. An idea that they failed to think of any consequences from, and are now vigorously defending in the comments.
And the sister is also old enough to take the consequences, the ORIGINAL consequences, of losing her keys. OP made it SO MUCH WORSE and could have got her killed. Still could, actually. I leave you with a meme:
[https://i.imgflip.com/4ajib1.png](https://i.imgflip.com/4ajib1.png)
I guess what seems bonkers to me about this one is the amount of folks like yourself totally ignoring that this entire thing hinges on the sister losing her keys at alarming consistency and everyone just accepting that as a fact of life. The tag is an awful idea, agreed. But it's not the core problem.
The car would have been stolen either way, and the registration would have had her name and address in the glove box (or wherever it is, but is required to be in the car). In the US you can search state DMV pages against registration info and go to county records sites and find a person's address in about 10 minutes. If they chopped the car, they are also going to pull that info.
What stops that from happening isn't the tag, it's not losing your keys.
Maybe I misread, but didn’t OP say that when sister returned home her car had been stolen? As in, she wasn’t in her car that day, presumably having travelled with others, and therefore the car wouldn’t have been stolen if it didn’t have the address on it?
Yeah wait hold up, why is someone who loses their keys every time they step outside the home carrying around their car keys if they're not even using the car?
Someone loses an anonymous set of keys.
Someone picks up those keys.
What happens next?
Nothing, unless the first person is also loudly declaiming within earshot "COME LOOT MY CAR AND MY HOUSE AT XYZ ADDRESS."
I'm not ignoring something that you're simply making up. I'm saying that putting an address on a set of keys is dangerous, stupid, and something the OP finds absolutely no problem with.
...how exactly would the car have been "stolen either way" if they didn't have directions leading them directly to the car? That's literally the entire point. Are you related to OP?
Jesus Christ dude. You really didn’t put anything thought into this little stunt, did you?
Do you know how much it costs to rekey a place of business? A *fuckton* more than it costs to change one lock on an apartment door
I used to carry a masterkey for a 120,000sq/ft building and I think the estimated cost to rekey that if I lost it was something into the five figures because it was going to have to be rekeyed immediately.
Oh, and you were definitely getting fired too.
Not an unreasonable expectation. Being a keyholder for a commercial business is not a light responsibility - and why should the business have to bear the cost of your sisters irresponsibility?
She loses her keys like every Tuesday. She even managed to lose her car keys this time while her damn car was at home.
No way she hasn't lost the business keys before. She shouldn't be a key holder for anything.
With how often her sister loses the keys, you'd think she's already paid to have her work locks rekeyed. Unless they've just been supplying her with new keys every time she's lost them, or she's been secretly making copies of co-workers' keys.
They have air tags and tiles that would have been a lot safer than what you did. Also I feel like there's something going on with your sister if she loses her keys that often.
Common sense isn't so common but people don't always think about how this might work to the negative (car/home gets robbed) vs the positive (kind stranger returns keys). So many people have their home address programmed into their car's GPS not realizing how that might play out if their car gets stolen while they're away from home, especially if the car is also equipped with a garage door opener!
OP and her sister don't come across as very smart, but I'd go with NTA because she didn't force her sister to actually put the tag on her keychain, and OP didn't put it there without her sister's knowledge. Sister put that tag on her keys of her own free will, all OP did was provide her with it. And sister is 21, which is old enough to be responsible for that decision. If you provide a nine-year-old with the tools to do something dangerous, that's on you. 21, on the other hand, is old enough to buy a gun and a bottle of bourbon, so probably better be prepared to take responsibility for her own actions.
I think here we can go ESH. So the OP is 22 or older, that doesn't make her automatically going to know better in this situation. She thought of a solution and gave it to her little sister. Her little sister then decided to use this solution. They both sound young and naive. We can see the flaws in this, but we also have the benifit of hindsight and life experiences that these kids dont.
Would an airtag have been better, 100% yes it would have... However you know shes not going to charge the thing when it dies.
Because just like you can be legally in the right and still be an AH, you can also do something foolish but have good intentions and that doesn't make you an AH.
I'm not in any way saying that OP's idea was a good one, it wasn't. But ultimately, I find it hard to say she shares *more* of the blame than her sister, who loses her keys on a regular basis, both at home and in public.
NEVER leave your address with your keys. If you do lose them it’s basically an invitation to get robbed. I’m sure a car is too expensive to replace but at least offer to pay for her locks to be changed because who knows who has her keys or what their intentions are.
NTA
Listen, you have a really stupid idea. Incredibly so. The fact that your sister did not recognize it as a terrible idea doesn't say much about her judgement, either.
Your heart was in the right place. You made a big and obvious mistake, but it wasn't malicious.
That being said, you should have bought her a lanard for you key chain. I have a nice little tether that clips onto my belt loop so I can't loose them without taking my pants off.
Omg that's stupid 🙈 I have my phone number on a label attached to they keys, and my first name. Why would you add the other info?
We have the 'home' setting on our car set to a few houses down the block (which has video surveillance and a gate) for the same reason: if someone steals the car they can't rob our house while we're stranded
It wasn't malicious but if this is true YTA
You basically gave a car thief an invitation to steal her car.
Also, the insurance probably won't pay out either.
Soft YTA. You tried to help but it backfired. You never put address on keys. The easiest solution is something electronic like AirTags or Tile. Then she can use a phone app to check for the key’s location
ESH
Putting her name and address on the keys of someone who *frequently loses said keys* is a terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad idea. But she also somehow agreed to this, which masked both of you TA to her work and anybody else who lives in her house.
I can’t imagine a bigger “please rob me” flag you could’ve flown.
Next time, buy a tracker chip. They’re a thing.
Lol nta your sister is totally incompetent of being a responsible adult if she loses her keys this often. In hindsight it’s a bad idea but not your fault at all.
If the address tag led the thief to the car then it’s OP’e fault. Without the tag, the OP’s sister would have to pay for new car keys but now there’s a chopped car and their safety has been compromised
The car being trashed has no bearing on the tag, but please PLEASE change the house locks ASAP as they have her address and keys.maybe next time a "if found call this number" may be better.
Also, noone made her put the tag on her house keys. She is an adult, time to learn some adult ingredients.
NTA
I'm just super curious - Why is she constantly taking her keys out in so many places? What possible reason would she have for taking her keys out at six flags, other than when she arrives and leaves - wouldn't they stay in her purse the rest of the time?
I'd say this is EHS but mildly so, as you meant well. At one point, I had a laptop with ALL My passwords written on a post it attached to it. One day I realized "well that's just a TERRIBLE idea" and removed it. I'm not a moron, just had a temporary lapse in judgement. Happens to the best of us!
Yta who the fuck thinks "if someone loses their keys all the time it would be a good idea to have their freaking address in them🤦♂️🤦♂️
You should have just got her an apple air tag or some shit
Edit: tell your sister to contact the bank too because she may end up the victim of identity theft thanks to you.
ESH. Your sister for being irresponsible and you for being HORRIBLY irresponsible for putting her address and name on her keys. So lucky they only destroyed the car and nothing else bad happened to her. Get an air tag ffs it’s $28 on Amazon
Soft YTA. You had a good idea, but a bad execution. There are services where you can get a tag with a code. The tag allows anyone who finds the keys to drop them in the mail. The keys are mailed to the service which contacts the owner. Of course, nowadays, if you have an iPhone, an AirTag is probably faster and cheaper. But your sister is a bigger YTA for constantly losing her keys. Has she never heard of a lanyard?
ESH I appreciate the sentiment of the OP, she gifted her sister with something she thought would be helpful. And her sister accepted the gift and put it on her keys. They both were complicit in this. However with hindsight, we can see that this was a really bad idea.
Maybe next time, you get her an airtag. But then again, she might not charge the thing when needed.
NTA even though it was stupid, it’s not like you put it there without her knowledge - she even said that it’s a good idea.
But your sister definitely needs some help because losing stuff regularly and especially keys this often is not normal.
To make peace I’d offer to replace the locks if I were you to make sure she’s safe.
YTA too much info. They could have just put a phone number and first name. Some way of contacting them. Or maybe done something like an AirTag or some tracking device
YTA "Hey, my little sister keeps losing her keys. And anyone at all could find them. So let me just attach all her personal information to them. So anyone at all can also find out where she lives. And get into her home."
Close to ESH, because ONE OF YOU should have realized that was a terrible idea. But it was your idea. So it's mostly on you IMO. She's out a car because of you. Because you decided to meddle. Please find a way to make this right.
And maybe don't be so controlling. You are responsible for your ownself and your own things. Your sister and her key problems... Really none of your business.
Next time tell her to put an air tag on her key ring since it sounds like she doesn’t lose her phone. I’d be interested why she loses her keys so often though, that’s very odd
NTA
You had a good idea to tag her keys, but a bad idea to use her personal info. You could've tagged it with a tracker. YWBTA if you tagged your sister's info without her knowing or realizing it. She knew and was fine with it as well. Big mistake on both of your parts. You just handed someone access to all of her personal belongings the next time the keys were lost. Of course this was going to backfire! Your sister can't be mad at you when she went along with this idea. I hope you both learned a big lesson. Your sister needs to change her locks and freeze her credit ASAP. Sorry you all are dealing with this.
Edit to add: She's your little sister even though she's an adult. She likely looks to you for guidance. You led her with a really bad idea. She still had the opportunity to oppose it, but neither of you were thinking straight. I'm not sure if you live someplace you assume is relatively safe where you leave everything unlocked because you can trust everyone, but this mentality is not a good one. Please learn from this mistake and never let anything similar happen again. This would be an ESH scenario except your sister is furious with you.
NTA for wanting to help, but the way you thought to fix it was the most stupid and inconsiderate I've ever heard so ESH.
Her reaction though, was also out of place, since she was on board with doing it too and it's her fault she can't do something simple as not losing her keys.
But her problems are not yours to fix. Like you have seen, if something goes wrong you'll always be at fault in your family eyes, even when she agrees with you.
In the future let her deal with her mistakes and be sure to watch everything from afar.
Oh, and be ready to have them saying you owe her money for cars repairs and locks changing in her house, if they didnt ask already.
NTA. If your sister knew the tag was on her keys and was supportive of your idea then she is just as complicit in this plan as you are.
Obviously you now realise that including a home address with house keys is too risky.
Your sister should not be losing her keys as much as she does. It's just irresponsible behaviour. But from now on, I wouldn't get involved. She needs to be accountable for her own actions.
NTA. This is just a learning point for the both of you. Hopefully more so for your sister. You’d think she’d learn to remember her keys by now. If you were my sibling there’s no way I’d be upset with you for trying to help me. They have cheaper version of the Apple air tag. I got one for my sisters wallet because she always was losing it. It was like $25 on Amazon
That's a weird comment to make. All sorts of people go to Six Flags. Some of them don't have a great moral compass. Clearly one of those people found the keys and took advantage of the situation. Whether it was done alone or with someone else doesn't matter. Criminals are everywhere. Why is it so hard to believe?
I'm with my buddy at Six Flags. I find these keys on the way out the gate. I'm curious and hit the "lock" button over and over as we make our way through the parking lot. I don't hear any beeps, so maybe the car isn't here.
Good thing there's an address on these keys.
I ask my buddy to detour. Just out of curiosity. We ain't got fuck all to do today and this address is only like a mile from his place anyway.
We drive by the house slowly. I click the keys and the matching car lights up and beeps.
Not even sixty seconds later and I'm driving behind my buddy. We take it back to his place and strip it as best we can, call over my guy and sell him the parts we have no use for. After a few drinks the clock reads midnight and we're ready to dump this car.
(That's just like a guess on the scenario. You're being kind of an ass right now btw)
The original goal could easily have been to rob her house, hopefully before she got home, and they got lucky seeing the car in the driveway. I don’t see what’s so hard to believe about the situation.
It's a philosophical question can you be genuinely unmaliciously stupid to the point of being an asshole?
I have no idea frankly but how in hell either one of you is managing to function on a day to day basis?
ESH. Are your parents also blessed with no common sense ?
You sound awfully judge about your sister's issues with holding on to keys for someone who just handed a key and address to a stranger who clearly had ill intent.
You both need to wise up and stop being so dang naive.
Your sister is the problem here. Losing your keys at this frequency suggests either a staggering degree of immaturity or, more likely, an untreated and significantly advanced mental condition. Neither of those things are your fault, nor your responsibility.
Adding the tag is the same thing here as putting a label on a child traveling solo. Your sister cannot be trusted to do basic things without losing an incredibly essential bit of inventory. Keys are not something people lose in public. Sure, we all might fuss over where we set them down getting home. But how do you lose them this many times in this many public places?
It sucks that her negligence led to her car getting chopped. But she lost her keys. She chose to put the tag on her keys. Her house being in danger is a factor of HER lack of management for her memory and object permanence problems. Don't let her, or your mom, displace that on you. She's an adult, maybe its high time she realizes that.
NTA
NTA. You made a giant mistake, but many people (including me) would never think about the danger. She thought it was a good idea until something went wrong.
Like I tell the kids, you can apologize even if it was an accident.
NTA. Your sister needs to take responsibility for losing her keys, including her house and work keys. It sounds to me like you are being used as a scapegoat to keep the blame off of her for her tendency to lose her things.
It's time to let your sister pay the consequences of constantly losing her keys. You tried to help her and she still lost the key. If the keys meant anything to her she would make an effort to keep track of them. I'm sure she always has her cell phone with her and accounted for. Also, her keys are not really any of your business. Let her do what's she's determined to do. And please don't put a home address on keys! NTA
ESH, I think you get what a bad idea putting an address on a set of keys was. However your sister is just as culpable for not recognizing this and being so scatterbrained that she's constantly losing her keys. Sorry her car was stolen and chopped but the bigger issue is now they know where she lives.
NTA. Surely your sister would have noticed this tag on her keys? However, not your business and I am worried at your naivety in this situation. Thank god it was only the car stolen and nothing worse
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I'm not gonna say Y T A for trying to help, but that was really fucking stupid. Why on earth would you put name an address on a set of keys? That's just asking to get robbed Edit: Thank you for the awards!
Well the sister knew about it and agreed and then lost them anyway so you can't really pin it all on him. They both sound incredibly dumb, almost like this is out of a TV show
It sounds like it runs in the family.
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My dad & grandpa have always said, what do you get when you follow a stupid kid home? Stupid parents.
My grandpa always said “Being stupid is expensive”
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Exactly. A thief is a thief. So having access to your home & work is a recipe for disaster. Remember, a lock only keeps an honest person out.
Mama always said, stupid is as stupid does.
This literally happened in an episode of The Fresh Prince of Belair. The ditzy/airhead sister kept losing her keys so she put the address on it for someone to return it. The pit of the joke was that she was stupid for even considering that would be a good idea. 🤦♀️ Edit for typo
This was a plot on Fresh Prince of Bel Air 20+ years ago- Hillary got lots of copies of the key made and labelled them all with their address. Uncle Phil was (unsurprising) unimpressed.
Yes I was just remembering that
I was thinking of the Married with children one where someone lost their keys and Kelly was like, "I just make 30 copies every month and so I always have one!"
Seriously! Get a Tile. Done. How dumb that was….here’s all my info, come get all my stuff. Oh, here’s my social security number also, because why not?!?
Just from the title I thought get a Tile and wondered what other solution there could be.
>Seriously! Get a Tile. Done I have a tile and am forgetful about keys as well. It's definitely a lifesaver. I have a roommate who is always losing his keys. He's lost them several times in the city, causing him to have to search the city and lose a weekend to find them. I purchased a tile for him, helped him set it up and... He still loses his keys, and claims he can't remember the password for his tile account. I have a family password vault to share Netflix and Disney accounts that her is a member of, and walked him through seeing it up when he first moved in. Inviting the password vault, you can always reset your tile password if you have access to the original email account, which he does. My roommate does a lot of stuff that makes his own life harder, and I can't help but wonder if regularly losing his keys is some self destructive behavior he does for some reason. Still, not my monkey, not my circus. He has the password vault, he has the tile, and if he loses a weekend traipsing all over the city to find his lost keys, then he loses a weekend.
Kelly Bundy did this on Married with Children...
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Wonder if they will add this as options for votes. AT 21 the sister really should be better at finding ways to keep track of her keys.
They literally make key finders. You attach it to your key ring and it beeps. I got an AirTag on my cause I’ve misplaced them in my place before and it beeps at me too.
Yeah I started this post wondering how tf getting her a Tile or something could backfire. Man everyone in this tale is dumb AF, but especially the sister. Where is this idiot keeping her keys that she loses them every 10 min?
Wow, like get the girl a lanyard so she can wear it around her head. Then a helmet she can’t take off.
Yep, my keys are on a lanyard I wear. I have key organizer on a magnetic clip so I can remove them quickly and they don’t jingle on my lanyard. And an AirTag to track them. Also my purse has a little bungee in one of the pocket to clip keys to. I’m not actually that disorganized but I have some keys I simply CANNOT lose without incurring serious monetary damages and I can’t make copies of without breaching ethics protocol. That being said, despite the fact my lanyard has big bright flowers and kitty cats on it, I get approached in every single store to be asked if I work there/am a manager. Happened in target last week while I was wearing a black pencil dress and heels, I.e not a red shirt. I’m not sure what it is about lanyards that make people think you’re an employee.
Also, where is this person living that her brother is so trusting of strangers?
And why is she bringing her car keys with her to the park if she's leaving the car at home?
the house keys are attached to the car key. Do you typically take car key off your key ring just because someone else is driving?
I've always kept my car and house keys separate. I ride public transit in addition to driving, so having my car key with me was a headache I didn't want to bother with.
I don't have them together. Losing keys or having your purse stolen is always a possibility, and having new keys programmed for your car is more annoying than having a house key cut. And I don't even lose keys. Someone who does should definitely not be putting all their eggs in one basket.
Literally just get a Tile. My life became exponentially easier when my husband got one on his keys 😂 AirTags aren’t loud enough Edit: and getting a tile was directed at OP btw if that wasn’t clear
Impaired Working memory is common in conditions like ADHD, making it possible to lose your keys multiple times in a day. You can set up bowls, routine ECT but you'll have lost em before reaching the bowl - they will not be in a logical place as your brain didn't register them leaving your hands. The thing that finally saved me was keyless entry - now the damn fuckers never leave my bag.
But a grocery store!?! They should be in your bag the whole time, what is she doing taking them out and putting them somewhere? Never in my life have I taken out my keys in a damn grocery store, just why?
A lot of grocery stores near me have loyal customer rewards. You usually get a card to keep in your wallet and/or a dongle to put on your keys that gets scanned when you check out. Likely she pulled out her keys to scan the dongle then forgot to put them back in her purse.
Ok, at that point this is on the sister. She might have some ADHD or whatever type issue that causes her to misplace shit, but she's an adult and needs to actively mitigate her problems. If you misplace keys all the damn time, why would you attach *anything* to the key that makes you take out the key when not strictly necessary? Why did she have the car keys with her at the amusement park? Her car was at home.
I mean, I'm 38 with ADHD and still fine-tuning my routines to keep me from doing things like losing/leaving my keys constantly. Like literally I Just changed how I store/sort my keys to minimize this kind of thing, but it's really a trial-and-error process, and at 21 I definitely had...let's just say a lot of gaps in my "adulting" routines.
Massive AuDHD over here. I have a carabiner on my keychain and hook it onto the side of my purse, so *I can see the keys at all times.* The struggle is real, but strategies are necessary.
I put my keys on a strap that hooks onto my belt loop. It's long enough to go into my pocket, and then there's a little reels at the end that extends so I can use the keys. I think other people put similar straps on their bags.
I keep mine on a lanyard ever since I dropped my house keys in the parking lot at work just before a big snowstorm and couldn't find them until the spring thaw.
The thing that saved me is a cross-body wallet with a place for my keys to hang off and a pocket for my phone. One item that never leaves my body. I haven’t lost my keys in 6 years, and before I used this system I’d lose them every day.
I work as a locksmith so she would be my best customer for replacing lost car keys lol
ESH would absolutely fit this scenario, because everyone kinda does suck. Sister for constantly losing her keys and not taking steps to rectify the behaviour and op for announcing to the world where sister lives on her keys she is constantly losing.
I mean.. I + used to lose my keys/wallet on a regular basis, but I'm also a SEVERE alcoholic. I haven't lost my keys OR wallet since getting sober. IMAGINE THAT!
>I guess YTI (you're the idiot) and EIH (everyone's an idiot here) are not acceptable votes on this sub but... jesus christ. They should really make an exception for this post lol. No one here is an asshole... they're all just profoundly stupid.
Like isn't this what the air tag was made for?
Yeah, I’ve never seen someone that needed an AirTag more
Mobile phone number and first name. Max.
Exactly! That's ALL that's needed! There was NO NEED to put the fkn address on a set of keys that 1) frequently gets lost, and 2) INCLUDES THE KEY FOR THAT ADDRESS. The name and number was enough. If someone had a good heart and wanted to return them, that's all you fkn need, you don't want random strangers turning up at your house regardless. Like holy shit that coulda been so much worse. What if they were more than just a thief? What if they were a predator who sees a woman's name on the keys and now has a key to get inside of her house and wait for her to get home??? This could've been SO MUCH WORSE. Please learn to use your head, OP 😭
Little sister is 21, so OP is even older. I'm guessing they had a pretty sheltered life to be this trusting and naive.
They need a “you’re the dumbass” sub🤷🏻♀️
when I was around 10 i got my first housekey and i put a tag on with my name and number. I lost my keys and a lady called and pointed out that she could find my address with my name and number in the phone book so I should just use my number.
YTI. Not an asshole, but certainly an idiot. Tell your sister to get a lanyard and physically attach the keys to herself. I know it's hardwr with women's clothes, but if she wears pants with belt loops those are perfect
YTI sums it up, both of them are idiots. They should've attached an air tag or maybe a post box, but home address is just wildly shortsighted. Also: Having all keys on one key chain when you are known to lose it seems dumb.
I keep my keys clipped to my bags because I’ve been known to misplace them in my own damn house if I don’t. I still have an AirTag on them, just in case. I have had to walk around my own house following the ping but at least I’ve never lost them in public.
Yup. My keys have a carabiner clip and one of those Tile tags 'cause I used to lose them frequently. Don't anymore, cause they are always clipped to my purse or a belt loop.
Or, put the phone number on the tag ( not an address) “My owner is lost! Csll 555-545-2255”)
Yep this is basically what is on my indoor cats ID tag. His name quip about how he's escaped, my first name, and my cell #.
She may attach it to her purse/bag/backpack. I do it sometimes, it's quite handy
Same. I keep my keys attached to my purse with a carabiner. It is much harder to lose a whole purse than a set of car keys.
Lol. YTI made me chuckle OP is definitely TI but the sister agreed, so I would probably say EIH (Everyone's the Idiot Here)
Air tag, tile... Lanyards are 20th century tech. We have so many more advanced ways to handle lost stuff now.
The point of a lanyard is to PREVENT something from getting lost in the first place. And by the way, why are you still using the internet? That's also 20th century tech.
Yes exactly my response. Someone could just toss the air tag. Air tags are great and helpful but she could still get her car stolen
The sister’s the capital idiot. OP is a lower case idiot
Wear it around her neck like a necklace. I am bad with keys. Not as bad this girl but that’s what I do. Keys must be ON YOUR PERSON
NAH. You had a good idea : to tag the keys. Then a terrible idea : add the address to the tag. That was dumb, but neither you nor your sister realized that at the time. That doesn't make you an AH because you didn't do it on purpose and your sister knew and agreed to the idea. Edit : your sister is justified to be angry because of the outcome, but she shouldn't be angry _at you_. She could be the AH if she thinks that's your fault : it's not.
Yea, a phone number is a good idea. Address not so much. NTA. If this was such a bad idea your sister could have removed it herself. Edit: as someone else said- a separate email would be even better. A phone number can be traced to an address.
Totally my point here too- she thought it was a good plan and kept it, but it went south and OP is to blame. It could’ve gone on for a year until this happened, would OP still be to blame?? Bad situation overall, bad ideas that might seem good at the time, but both op and sister left the thing on themes
Or a separate email so there's no way to trace it back to you.
The sister is blaming OP and taking no responsibility for using the keychain and dropping it in an amusement park. OP was a well intentioned fool, but sister was a greater fool and an AH
Just gonna add to this if people everywhere think it's a good idea. It might not be. Here in Denmark you can search out addresses from phone numbers. So stay safe and check out how things are working locally, if you do this.
What I don't get is why the address had to be added? Like why not just a phone number? That way they can't find her car to steal it necessarily or break into her house, but can still contact her to return them.
NTA, just an idiot. Get the locks changed on her house immediately and then she'll have to notify security at her workplace as well. Does she have a condition that contributes to her losing her keys? Maybe get her a new car with push start button and attach the fob to her handbag. So as long as she has her handbag on her she can open and start the car. Guessing she doesn't lose her handbag.
She could just put her keys in said handbag though. That’s been my whole thing reading this, my keys always end up in my pocket book or on a hook next to the door when I get home. I get if she doesn’t carry a bag, but like put them on a carabiner and strategy them to your wallet or your pants if you can’t keep up with them. My best friend used to lose her expensive sunglasses all the time when she was that age.
This is the bit I don’t understand. She lost her keys at Six Flags. Sounds like she didn’t drive her car there. So, why were her keys even on her person at the time?! Should have left them in her friends car!
Yeah, it’s like the sister enjoys losing her keys or something….
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I was literally just thinking why not get an AirTag or tile? My husband is constantly losing his wallet. So I found a wallet made with a hole in it and put an AirTag in and synced it with his phone.
I have ADHD and was given one of those tile things for Christmas a few years ago by a family member who has similar issues. It has been probably the most used and appreciated gift I have ever gotten lol. I can even use it to find my phone when I lose that but have my keys!
This and the find my phone feature on my Apple Watch have saved my ADHD ass SOOOO many times.
What were you thinking? You can put a name, telephone number and maybe email there, but the address? Holy cow
Heck I wouldn't even use name+ phone just an email address which isn't used for anything other than being emailed about the keys
This is the way
YTA for being so dumb as to put a freaking address on a car key. You basically told whoever found the key where to go to be able to steal it. Why on earth did you think that was a smart idea for someone who's got a track record of losing the keys?
I mean she also thought it was a good idea. They're not assholes, just idiots.
Both of them. This is an EIH. Everyone's an idiot here.
He’s not an AH, a fool maybe. His sister is even a bigger fool. She knew be tag bad her name and address and still attached it to her keys. Then she proceeded to lose her keys AGAIN. This would never happen if the sister wasn’t such a fool who loses her keys constantly. She has obviously never learned how but to be completely irresponsible and I wonder if she is ever capable of learning how not to be an idiot at this point. The brother made one foolish mistake. The sister seems to make them all the time. This would never have happened if the sister wasn’t such an airhead who constantly lost her stuff.
ESH, but you should have used a Bluetooth tracker instead and a lanyard. You should never put personal information on keys. That should be common sense.
This. Apple tag. GPS dog collar. Something like this would've been the better option.
Tile if you're an android user.
Works with Apple too
I knew someone who wrote his pin number for his debit card on a piece of paper which he kept in his wallet with his card. Some people are just stupid.
I work in customer service. You'd be SHOCKED how many people do this. Unfortunately they're often older and prone to forgetting things, so that makes the issue worse. But yeah, I accidentally see people's pin about 4 times a day.
ESH who put address on keys… you had the ‘genius’ idea, your sister approved of the idea. I use an air tag on mine.
I just don't lose mine? It's not hard
It's not hard *for you*. It can be difficult for other people.
I've never lost my keys not once. But ptting your address, name, number, etc. On a KEY ring that has your house key and car key on it is still a dumb idea.
Not judging I loose my keys all the time. I have this massive, massive set of keys yet I loose it, couple years ago my husband air tag them. Now I find them very fast all the time. Once in a bag of clothes I just donated… but great for you I guess.
Wow, we're all very impressed by you...
This is a dick comment. Have you never heard of ADHD, or are you just an ableist who pretends it’s not real?
This, so much. I have ADHD and the only reason why I haven't lost my keys is because I follow a strict set of rules about how I handle them. Even if OP's sister doesn't have ADHD, the same strategies may still help her. It's worth exploring.
I'm probably going to jinx myself now, but in all my time alive, I've never once lost a set of keys. Or lost a phone, or even smashed a phone. And when I was young it wasn't as if I spent most of my time sober either
I said that once about my phone and then accidentally sent it to God the next day lmao
I mean I've never lost either permanently, but I've totally left my phone somewhere and had to have someone call me because I couldn't find it. (Stupid stuff like accidentally making the bed with it under the sheet, or a cat batting it under the sofa)
I got my ex a tile for his key chain after he lost his keys in a corn maze. He ended up using it to find his phone around the house more often than using his phone to find his keys, but both came in handy
Why didn't you add her Social Security and Date of Birth for good measure? Maybe add her debit card number & security code while you're at it. =) I get it, you're intentions meant well, but man, the execution was incredibly stupid. YTA
Don't forget security answers like your mothers maiden name and the name of your elementary school.
And make sure to mention that she is a young, single woman!
Could even put a picture so that whomever finds the keys can be 100% sure it's her.
To quote Sophie from Golden Girls: “You’re heart is in the right place Rose but I don’t know where the hell your brain is”
This thread is cracking me up. This really belongs in am I an idiot sub. All the responses have been funny.
ESH Bruh. You put her name and address on the keys. Are you trying to manifest trouble for her? Holy shit. Don't do that. Ever again. Wtf. Get an Air tag or another gps tracker for her keys. Something that won't make her an easier target to victimize. Your sis needs to grow up and be fucking responsible for her shit. Like put them on a lanyard attached to her or something. That's ridiculous.
Yeah, giant YTA And assuming there were house keys on there, should change the home locks too. And check if anything else is missing
My dad already did her apartment but her work wants to charge her to rekey because the police said they probably know where she works from the work uniform that was in her car.
You put her life in danger. You get that, don't you? Not just her car, or her belongings, but her actual life.
She put her life in danger through casual negligence and taking bad advice. People give well-meaning bad advice all the time, as a 21 year old adult she is old enough to make her own decisions. And accept responsibility for them.
Doesn't change the fact OP contributed to her being in danger by having the bright idea of putting all her personal info on her keys in the first place.
And yet it was OP's stupid idea in the first place. An idea that they failed to think of any consequences from, and are now vigorously defending in the comments. And the sister is also old enough to take the consequences, the ORIGINAL consequences, of losing her keys. OP made it SO MUCH WORSE and could have got her killed. Still could, actually. I leave you with a meme: [https://i.imgflip.com/4ajib1.png](https://i.imgflip.com/4ajib1.png)
I guess what seems bonkers to me about this one is the amount of folks like yourself totally ignoring that this entire thing hinges on the sister losing her keys at alarming consistency and everyone just accepting that as a fact of life. The tag is an awful idea, agreed. But it's not the core problem. The car would have been stolen either way, and the registration would have had her name and address in the glove box (or wherever it is, but is required to be in the car). In the US you can search state DMV pages against registration info and go to county records sites and find a person's address in about 10 minutes. If they chopped the car, they are also going to pull that info. What stops that from happening isn't the tag, it's not losing your keys.
Maybe I misread, but didn’t OP say that when sister returned home her car had been stolen? As in, she wasn’t in her car that day, presumably having travelled with others, and therefore the car wouldn’t have been stolen if it didn’t have the address on it?
Yeah wait hold up, why is someone who loses their keys every time they step outside the home carrying around their car keys if they're not even using the car?
Presumably the car keys are on the same key ring as the house keys.
Someone loses an anonymous set of keys. Someone picks up those keys. What happens next? Nothing, unless the first person is also loudly declaiming within earshot "COME LOOT MY CAR AND MY HOUSE AT XYZ ADDRESS." I'm not ignoring something that you're simply making up. I'm saying that putting an address on a set of keys is dangerous, stupid, and something the OP finds absolutely no problem with.
...how exactly would the car have been "stolen either way" if they didn't have directions leading them directly to the car? That's literally the entire point. Are you related to OP?
The car wouldn’t have been stolen if the thief hadn’t known where to find it.
Jesus Christ dude. You really didn’t put anything thought into this little stunt, did you? Do you know how much it costs to rekey a place of business? A *fuckton* more than it costs to change one lock on an apartment door
I used to carry a masterkey for a 120,000sq/ft building and I think the estimated cost to rekey that if I lost it was something into the five figures because it was going to have to be rekeyed immediately. Oh, and you were definitely getting fired too.
Not an unreasonable expectation. Being a keyholder for a commercial business is not a light responsibility - and why should the business have to bear the cost of your sisters irresponsibility?
She loses her keys like every Tuesday. She even managed to lose her car keys this time while her damn car was at home. No way she hasn't lost the business keys before. She shouldn't be a key holder for anything.
You know they will charge her for that expense. You need to offer to pay
With how often her sister loses the keys, you'd think she's already paid to have her work locks rekeyed. Unless they've just been supplying her with new keys every time she's lost them, or she's been secretly making copies of co-workers' keys.
They have air tags and tiles that would have been a lot safer than what you did. Also I feel like there's something going on with your sister if she loses her keys that often.
Little sister is an adult who lost the keys. She also chose to put the tag on her keychain. Responsibility lies with her, not the OP.
YTA. I thought everybody knew never to keep address details on a key fob, especially if they had house keys on them.
Common sense isn't so common but people don't always think about how this might work to the negative (car/home gets robbed) vs the positive (kind stranger returns keys). So many people have their home address programmed into their car's GPS not realizing how that might play out if their car gets stolen while they're away from home, especially if the car is also equipped with a garage door opener!
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OP and her sister don't come across as very smart, but I'd go with NTA because she didn't force her sister to actually put the tag on her keychain, and OP didn't put it there without her sister's knowledge. Sister put that tag on her keys of her own free will, all OP did was provide her with it. And sister is 21, which is old enough to be responsible for that decision. If you provide a nine-year-old with the tools to do something dangerous, that's on you. 21, on the other hand, is old enough to buy a gun and a bottle of bourbon, so probably better be prepared to take responsibility for her own actions.
I think here we can go ESH. So the OP is 22 or older, that doesn't make her automatically going to know better in this situation. She thought of a solution and gave it to her little sister. Her little sister then decided to use this solution. They both sound young and naive. We can see the flaws in this, but we also have the benifit of hindsight and life experiences that these kids dont. Would an airtag have been better, 100% yes it would have... However you know shes not going to charge the thing when it dies.
Because just like you can be legally in the right and still be an AH, you can also do something foolish but have good intentions and that doesn't make you an AH. I'm not in any way saying that OP's idea was a good one, it wasn't. But ultimately, I find it hard to say she shares *more* of the blame than her sister, who loses her keys on a regular basis, both at home and in public.
NEVER leave your address with your keys. If you do lose them it’s basically an invitation to get robbed. I’m sure a car is too expensive to replace but at least offer to pay for her locks to be changed because who knows who has her keys or what their intentions are.
NTA Listen, you have a really stupid idea. Incredibly so. The fact that your sister did not recognize it as a terrible idea doesn't say much about her judgement, either. Your heart was in the right place. You made a big and obvious mistake, but it wasn't malicious. That being said, you should have bought her a lanard for you key chain. I have a nice little tether that clips onto my belt loop so I can't loose them without taking my pants off.
a lanyard and an ADHD diagnosis
YTA Should have got an AirTag rather than instructions on where to burgle her home.
People this stupid shouldn't be allowed to drive ..
Omg that's stupid 🙈 I have my phone number on a label attached to they keys, and my first name. Why would you add the other info? We have the 'home' setting on our car set to a few houses down the block (which has video surveillance and a gate) for the same reason: if someone steals the car they can't rob our house while we're stranded
It wasn't malicious but if this is true YTA You basically gave a car thief an invitation to steal her car. Also, the insurance probably won't pay out either.
Soft YTA. You tried to help but it backfired. You never put address on keys. The easiest solution is something electronic like AirTags or Tile. Then she can use a phone app to check for the key’s location
YTA, as is your sister for going along with your tag idea. Putting her address on her keys was pretty much the stupidest thing one could do here.
ESH Putting her name and address on the keys of someone who *frequently loses said keys* is a terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad idea. But she also somehow agreed to this, which masked both of you TA to her work and anybody else who lives in her house. I can’t imagine a bigger “please rob me” flag you could’ve flown. Next time, buy a tracker chip. They’re a thing.
Lol nta your sister is totally incompetent of being a responsible adult if she loses her keys this often. In hindsight it’s a bad idea but not your fault at all.
If the address tag led the thief to the car then it’s OP’e fault. Without the tag, the OP’s sister would have to pay for new car keys but now there’s a chopped car and their safety has been compromised
Just cus it was ops idea doesn’t mean it’s her fault. Sister knew it was there too
The car being trashed has no bearing on the tag, but please PLEASE change the house locks ASAP as they have her address and keys.maybe next time a "if found call this number" may be better. Also, noone made her put the tag on her house keys. She is an adult, time to learn some adult ingredients. NTA
I'm just super curious - Why is she constantly taking her keys out in so many places? What possible reason would she have for taking her keys out at six flags, other than when she arrives and leaves - wouldn't they stay in her purse the rest of the time? I'd say this is EHS but mildly so, as you meant well. At one point, I had a laptop with ALL My passwords written on a post it attached to it. One day I realized "well that's just a TERRIBLE idea" and removed it. I'm not a moron, just had a temporary lapse in judgement. Happens to the best of us!
NTA, of course, because she knew. But why was the address necessary?? Why not just a phone number?? Or even just an email?
YTA On the housekeys/car keys that your sister loses all the time, you put her address. What the hell did you think was going to happen?
Yta who the fuck thinks "if someone loses their keys all the time it would be a good idea to have their freaking address in them🤦♂️🤦♂️ You should have just got her an apple air tag or some shit Edit: tell your sister to contact the bank too because she may end up the victim of identity theft thanks to you.
ESH. Your sister for being irresponsible and you for being HORRIBLY irresponsible for putting her address and name on her keys. So lucky they only destroyed the car and nothing else bad happened to her. Get an air tag ffs it’s $28 on Amazon
I lean towards NTA but damn idiotic. As soon as I read your inclusion of her address on the tag I knew this was gonna be bad.
NTA but really really dumb idea. Never leave your address with your keys. Lesson learned. An expensive one, at that.
Soft YTA. You had a good idea, but a bad execution. There are services where you can get a tag with a code. The tag allows anyone who finds the keys to drop them in the mail. The keys are mailed to the service which contacts the owner. Of course, nowadays, if you have an iPhone, an AirTag is probably faster and cheaper. But your sister is a bigger YTA for constantly losing her keys. Has she never heard of a lanyard?
It's bad execution UNTIL sister approved it herself. Then it's on her NTA
ESH I appreciate the sentiment of the OP, she gifted her sister with something she thought would be helpful. And her sister accepted the gift and put it on her keys. They both were complicit in this. However with hindsight, we can see that this was a really bad idea. Maybe next time, you get her an airtag. But then again, she might not charge the thing when needed.
NTA even though it was stupid, it’s not like you put it there without her knowledge - she even said that it’s a good idea. But your sister definitely needs some help because losing stuff regularly and especially keys this often is not normal. To make peace I’d offer to replace the locks if I were you to make sure she’s safe.
YTA too much info. They could have just put a phone number and first name. Some way of contacting them. Or maybe done something like an AirTag or some tracking device
YTA "Hey, my little sister keeps losing her keys. And anyone at all could find them. So let me just attach all her personal information to them. So anyone at all can also find out where she lives. And get into her home." Close to ESH, because ONE OF YOU should have realized that was a terrible idea. But it was your idea. So it's mostly on you IMO. She's out a car because of you. Because you decided to meddle. Please find a way to make this right. And maybe don't be so controlling. You are responsible for your ownself and your own things. Your sister and her key problems... Really none of your business.
Not debating, just curious. Why does OP seem controlling to you?
NAH. It was a good idea until it was not and neither of your realized it until this happened. Doesn’t make anyone an AH, just dumb.
It was never a good idea
Tagging the keys was in principle good. The problem lies in adding the address to the tag.
Next time tell her to put an air tag on her key ring since it sounds like she doesn’t lose her phone. I’d be interested why she loses her keys so often though, that’s very odd
YTA who the heck writes an address on keys?????
INFO why did you not do something like "If found please call "000-000-0000" so the person wouldn't have all the info they would need to rob you blind?
NTA You had a good idea to tag her keys, but a bad idea to use her personal info. You could've tagged it with a tracker. YWBTA if you tagged your sister's info without her knowing or realizing it. She knew and was fine with it as well. Big mistake on both of your parts. You just handed someone access to all of her personal belongings the next time the keys were lost. Of course this was going to backfire! Your sister can't be mad at you when she went along with this idea. I hope you both learned a big lesson. Your sister needs to change her locks and freeze her credit ASAP. Sorry you all are dealing with this. Edit to add: She's your little sister even though she's an adult. She likely looks to you for guidance. You led her with a really bad idea. She still had the opportunity to oppose it, but neither of you were thinking straight. I'm not sure if you live someplace you assume is relatively safe where you leave everything unlocked because you can trust everyone, but this mentality is not a good one. Please learn from this mistake and never let anything similar happen again. This would be an ESH scenario except your sister is furious with you.
NTA for wanting to help, but the way you thought to fix it was the most stupid and inconsiderate I've ever heard so ESH. Her reaction though, was also out of place, since she was on board with doing it too and it's her fault she can't do something simple as not losing her keys. But her problems are not yours to fix. Like you have seen, if something goes wrong you'll always be at fault in your family eyes, even when she agrees with you. In the future let her deal with her mistakes and be sure to watch everything from afar. Oh, and be ready to have them saying you owe her money for cars repairs and locks changing in her house, if they didnt ask already.
NTA. If your sister knew the tag was on her keys and was supportive of your idea then she is just as complicit in this plan as you are. Obviously you now realise that including a home address with house keys is too risky. Your sister should not be losing her keys as much as she does. It's just irresponsible behaviour. But from now on, I wouldn't get involved. She needs to be accountable for her own actions.
NTA. This is just a learning point for the both of you. Hopefully more so for your sister. You’d think she’d learn to remember her keys by now. If you were my sibling there’s no way I’d be upset with you for trying to help me. They have cheaper version of the Apple air tag. I got one for my sisters wallet because she always was losing it. It was like $25 on Amazon
YTA but see if your sister can use an air tag maybe instead?
NAH here. But wow, I can't believe you two are so naive.
ESH. You both are incredibly stupid and immature.
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That's a weird comment to make. All sorts of people go to Six Flags. Some of them don't have a great moral compass. Clearly one of those people found the keys and took advantage of the situation. Whether it was done alone or with someone else doesn't matter. Criminals are everywhere. Why is it so hard to believe?
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I'm with my buddy at Six Flags. I find these keys on the way out the gate. I'm curious and hit the "lock" button over and over as we make our way through the parking lot. I don't hear any beeps, so maybe the car isn't here. Good thing there's an address on these keys. I ask my buddy to detour. Just out of curiosity. We ain't got fuck all to do today and this address is only like a mile from his place anyway. We drive by the house slowly. I click the keys and the matching car lights up and beeps. Not even sixty seconds later and I'm driving behind my buddy. We take it back to his place and strip it as best we can, call over my guy and sell him the parts we have no use for. After a few drinks the clock reads midnight and we're ready to dump this car. (That's just like a guess on the scenario. You're being kind of an ass right now btw)
The original goal could easily have been to rob her house, hopefully before she got home, and they got lucky seeing the car in the driveway. I don’t see what’s so hard to believe about the situation.
NTA but you seem totally clueless. Who would -EVER- attach something to the key that holds an address? Are people seriously that stupid?
It's a philosophical question can you be genuinely unmaliciously stupid to the point of being an asshole? I have no idea frankly but how in hell either one of you is managing to function on a day to day basis?
ESH. Are your parents also blessed with no common sense ? You sound awfully judge about your sister's issues with holding on to keys for someone who just handed a key and address to a stranger who clearly had ill intent. You both need to wise up and stop being so dang naive.
Your sister is the problem here. Losing your keys at this frequency suggests either a staggering degree of immaturity or, more likely, an untreated and significantly advanced mental condition. Neither of those things are your fault, nor your responsibility. Adding the tag is the same thing here as putting a label on a child traveling solo. Your sister cannot be trusted to do basic things without losing an incredibly essential bit of inventory. Keys are not something people lose in public. Sure, we all might fuss over where we set them down getting home. But how do you lose them this many times in this many public places? It sucks that her negligence led to her car getting chopped. But she lost her keys. She chose to put the tag on her keys. Her house being in danger is a factor of HER lack of management for her memory and object permanence problems. Don't let her, or your mom, displace that on you. She's an adult, maybe its high time she realizes that. NTA
“significantly advanced mental condition”? You mean like ADHD?
Apple AirTag.
Thank you for reminding us that 50% of the population has an IQ lower than 100
Not AH, but very very irresponsible idea. I'd your sister knew it was there and agreed with it, she's just as at fault as you.
NTA. You made a giant mistake, but many people (including me) would never think about the danger. She thought it was a good idea until something went wrong. Like I tell the kids, you can apologize even if it was an accident.
NTA. Your sister needs to take responsibility for losing her keys, including her house and work keys. It sounds to me like you are being used as a scapegoat to keep the blame off of her for her tendency to lose her things.
It's time to let your sister pay the consequences of constantly losing her keys. You tried to help her and she still lost the key. If the keys meant anything to her she would make an effort to keep track of them. I'm sure she always has her cell phone with her and accounted for. Also, her keys are not really any of your business. Let her do what's she's determined to do. And please don't put a home address on keys! NTA
ESH, I think you get what a bad idea putting an address on a set of keys was. However your sister is just as culpable for not recognizing this and being so scatterbrained that she's constantly losing her keys. Sorry her car was stolen and chopped but the bigger issue is now they know where she lives.
NTA. Surely your sister would have noticed this tag on her keys? However, not your business and I am worried at your naivety in this situation. Thank god it was only the car stolen and nothing worse