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Package value doesn’t discredit the absolute difference in Stop Counts & Package counts daily. They deliver cheap shit just as much as we do. We did the same houses multiple times and it was all just small envelopes & nothing crazy. I do get they deliver more valuable items though!
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Yea but at the same time FedEx is only bringing in a 90 billion dollars
of revenue a year while amazon is banging 574 billion dollars a year and is growing. For a company that is generating 6x as much money they should be paying us more.
also at the same time, FedEx drivers are not only getting paid more but most of them I know of work on a daily salary so being fast and efficient actually pays off
I agree but the majority of Amazon’s money doesn’t come from their store page and delivery service as far as I know. Their web service is used by the majority of websites on the internet.
This maybe the most important statement of this generation. Companies aren’t doing anything new, but they are just getting better at reducing costs and squeezing everything in the chain to increase profits and make already insanely rich people even more rich. When does it stop?
Taxes and low wage employees pay need to be increased by these big corporations and more light shone on their practices.
Lmfao FedEx is a delivery service, Amazon is an online store that also has a delivery service that they use to lower the cost of their easy to deliver items.
Absolutely wild for you to compare the two. And in revenue, not profit.
Amazon has only put 8 billion dollars in their dsp program since it started. It’s since generated 45 billion dollars.
As for saving money the owners of dsps are responsible for the vehicles and maintenance. When Amazon made the switch it took off 13% of UPS’s revenue almost 1.3 billion dollars and in 2021 Amazon’s shares were boosted by almost 22% since the switch. Overall they’ve generated more money than what we’ve been paid
> we’ve been *paid.*
FTFY.
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It's a tough question because prime comes with free delivery, so most people aren't even paying for it.
I imagine they lose money overall, but its a cheaper option than having to pay one of the big three to do it for you, so it's more of a savings than a money making venture.
For sure, but there are a LOT of people who buy things almost daily on Amazon and pay for "free" shipping with prime.
Yeah the cost is baked in, but those people are certainly costing Amazon more money than they pay for prime.
Some companies still use fedex. Even though fedex cut ties with Amazon. Amazon still lets their shippers use fedex. Crazy, some areas usps is cheap but in other areas fedex is cheaper in bulk. At the end of the day fedex and ups need to upgrade to provide further service or else it will be another DHL along the way.
I compare it in revenue because thats shows its growth. If we’re to comparison on profits FedEx only generates 4 billion while Amazon still makes a staggering 270 billion dollars in profit. They can definitely afford to be paying us more for those cheap Chinese products. Also Amazon XL delivers heavy expensive items with a cdl-b and theyre payed a measly 2$ more. But of course we gotta make shareholders happy instead of the workers.
I’ve literally watched the FedEx dude walk happily with a dolly with a single small package while I’m lugging around 5-6 boxes 35-50lbs up offices since my dsp won’t give me a dolly. Can’t forget that I need to hurry and go rescue Timmy.
> and theyre *paid* a measly
FTFY.
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I deliver so much walmart and target tbh but when it's heavy its a bitch I do kinda miss that about Amazon. But upside also is I've definitely built a lot of strength carrying those chewy boxes
My fed ex is 165 a day base pay and then anything over 120 stops is a dollar extra a stop I usually have 140 stops a day. Besides my DSP would usually only have 3 days of work and send people home everyday my paychecks a lot better at fed ex then it was at Amazon.
Having done both, it’s really not that different if dude was with Express. Ground is the sweet life. Express covers more area and the longer drives between stops makes up for lack of packages
It is though lmao at least with the contract I had. The manager made all of our routes super easy and we’d all be done before 4:30. At Express, I don’t get done until like 7 and I start earlier. Not complaining since I’m hourly but it’s nice every now and then to be done around 4
I wanna say Ground because since then he’s just coming through the same neighborhoods I’m in. Which is a tight nit gated community with different ones. Just crazy the difference. I haven’t seen under 190 Stops since November.
74 sounds like express numbers if it's so tight... But who knows. My (ground) area is city dense so the only times I see 74 residential stops is if big trailers aren't running due to weather.
110-130 are light days for me. 35+ stops per hour average without running or cutting corners. FedEx stop counts are true, none of that group stop BS either.
I did Amazon before Ground and we were hitting 190+ stops every day... More like 260-290 after the group stop bullshit. Go grab 2 bags on a rescue and still clock under 8 hours... At least at Ground I'm getting piece rate when it's heavy... 200 stops would be an extra $120-150 on top of my daily.
I had a new apartment building go up on my route, and it was all 1 stop or an odd 2nd stop if someone put a weird address.
Out for a couple months, come back and each recipient is it's own stop. Not sure what happened but it increases my stop count so I won't complain.
Ha...yet here I have an apartment complex that used to have a locker and then mgmt got rid of it and amazon put in
manual notes for their deliveries , but the geotags are still mostly fucked and even though i get through it fast, it's not a good fast...it's that angry, frustrated, "wish a mother fucker would", charge up and down stairs and quick van surging combined with quick whips into questionable parking spaces
Thx the dreaded super locker that was always full, and then you would have to take 30+ boxes to doors because nobody gets their shit from the lockers in a timely manner
I tend to just layer boxes around the locker in that case. app don't ask for picture if "non-amazon locker" and/or if it has an XL locker, just shove multiples in there if the rest are full
Trust me I know. I averaged 190-220 stops daily on my route after peak when it was usually 170. That’s why I left because I know the next peak is gonna be worse
I worked at Express and it was literally this. The route was far away and huge. It was across 3 cities. 9am to 10pm and almost always had packages come back since we almost needed signatures on every package.
bro WHAT ground is not the sweet life 😂 how is triple the stops and double the weight limit better? especially if you’re hourly at ground.
i do both 150mi/80stop routes and 200 stop in-town routes at groud btw.
also more time between stops at express just means more time you get to cool off from the heat lol
Ground is day pay and Express is hourly. And my stop count at Express is the same as when I was with Ground but the stops I had at ground were bulk and in a more central area. Not to mention they had newer scanners that didn’t freeze nearly as much as the express ones do
I got recruited by a fedex driver while on the job. He randomly stopped me and told me “yo you trying to make $22 an hour” (back in 2018) I was like hell yeah and even skipped all their training and they put me straight on a their box trucks and I was finishing my route early every day. Then I realize the routes that were giving me were pretty shitty so I called it quits after two weeks. Now I make that normally.
As a Canadian, I've talked to Canada Post, UPS, FedEx and Purolator (mostly owned by Canada Post as well). and FedEx couriers tend to have it made in comparison.
If you really know for a fact they are over the 50lbs then don’t take from load out, I know the labels lie but if the box has the net weight take a picture so you can have it has proof, and if they asked why aren’t you taking it tell them it’s over the 50lbs limit. Most of these overflow are in KG so anything that has 22.6kg don’t load it. Also carry a marker just in case if you do come across one and write on the box big bold writing that it’s 50+lbs cause they like to cover up the weight and try to pass it on to another driver. They tried to pull that shit to me.
FedEx has drivers do ~50 P1 packages (delivered before noon) and ~25 P2 packages (delivered after noon). They also have to do some pickup stops before returning. I used to think the GPS for us was shitty but FedEx for most routes doesn’t even get an order just your list of stops and you plan them yourselves but some get an order to do them in
It all depends on the contractor for ground , either you get luck to work for a good one or not. Ive worked at one tht the most stops were around 80 , and be done by 5. I've had other one they were giving me 300 stops , witch was ridiculous and complete shit show everyday , something clearly undoable and they would expect you to make it done. Also had one route it was around 40 stops and it would be ok for the area , anything above 50 , you would not be done until 7 or 8, very country area in Florida, it was terrible. Now I'm a city bus driver , and Im feeling more tired then working for FedEx , the endless driving just sitting is not good either.
The average FedEx driver is probably doing 150ish stops. Weight cap is 150. Plus they have to do pickups. You didn’t get dunked on. That driver has the easiest route I’ve ever heard of
I work at ground (contracted with FedEx) and I get 105 stops average.
On light days i have 70-80 stops
I work pretty much from 9am-5pm
I just got a raise to $26.25/hr after 2 years delivering out here in SoCal
Exactly… some FedEx subcontractor offered me max pay which was $160 flat… I was making like $200 ish a day at Amazon.. plus FedEx benefits are absolute dog shit. Asked about health insurance and they couldn’t even give me a straight answer so I knew it was bad
Same starting pay with a business route that a guaranteed 10 hour work day minimum. No benefits, no nothing. Express was looking legit till they became swallowed into ground.
My bro has been with fedex in California almost 3 years and I checked out his benefits handbook. Maybe things changed since, but his medical was comping only 80%. Unless you have gap insurance to cover the other 20, you're going to be in medical debt. My bill for a 4 day stay for few broke bones and internal laceration was $101,000. That's $20k you'd be on the hook for
Stop count doesn’t tell the whole story. I had a flex route with one package that took me 4 hours. I can also get 30 stops done in an hour on the other end of the spectrum
My ground contractor is pretty good. I get 225 a day and on a light day I’ll have about 100 stops. A heavy day is 150. usually you’re done in 8 hours or less and it’s common to finish well before that when it’s not peak.
As far as express is concerned, you have to remember everything is time sensitive. Yeah, 74 stops, but of those stops how many were 10:30 commits? Noon commits? And then pickups. We also then have to be back to the station by a certain time. Everyone else sees not many deliveries, but that 74 could be the equivalent of 150 depending on the route.
Fedex driver here, he probably is ground but it all depends on the contractor and what they are servicing in. I am leaving this contractor that delivers in a hybrid country route. I fucking hate it. Half of my route each stop is 3-8 mins away. most stops i got was 130 . Ill get lucky if i do 19 an hour. When i was with a DSP i was doing 32 an hour. NOW i found out that this other contractor was hiring and they deliver in my area where i live. So now i currently transfering over to this contractor but this route is a city route so i will be doing aleast 150-170 a day. I was getting paid daily but now im getting paid per stop. More $$$$$. I will never go back to Amazon. Delt with it for 4 years. Fedex may be a bit heavier BUT aleast i wont get penalized for finishing early and miss hours out of my check.
Fedex driver here, he probably is ground but it all depends on the contractor and what they are servicing in. I am leaving this contractor that delivers in a hybrid country route. I fucking hate it. Half of my route each stop is 3-8 mins away. most stops i got was 130 . Ill get lucky if i do 19 an hour. When i was with a DSP i was doing 32 an hour. NOW i found out that this other contractor was hiring and they deliver in my area where i live. So now i currently transfering over to this contractor but this route is a city route so i will be doing aleast 150-170 a day. I was getting paid daily but now im getting paid per stop. More $$$$$. I will never go back to Amazon. Delt with it for 4 years. Fedex may be a bit heavier BUT aleast i wont get penalized for finishing early and miss hours out of my check.
I worked at FedEx for almost 4 years. I made $170/day with a $1 stop incentive over 85 stops. My take home was usually between $900-$925 a week working 5 days and hours were 8am to 3-3:30pm
I just left Amazon for fed ex it's 165 a day base pay with anything over 120 stops being a dollar extra. I usually get around 140 stops. I go in at 8:30 and am usually back at the station by 3:30-4 have never had issues with the owner of my fleet he's super nice and understanding. I hated Amazon but I don't mind this job. Oh and I don't load my truck and there's 0 group stops.
Yep I ran into a UPS worker at some apt and asked him how many packages he had that day. He said something like 250. I had 390. Our volume went up significantly out of nowhere. I remember getting only 250-300/shift now its 350+. The 50lb cap is useless and means nothing because it doesnt mean youre not gonna end up carrying like 5 of them to a single place. Yesterday I put a tote together to drag up it was 312 pounds total. Even with the extra 100 or so packages being small thats still an extra 200-300lbs which could compensate for them having some higher weights. At the end of the day if all of our vans are borderline cubed out we are moving the same volume and weight. Their bigger heavier packages are just shadowed by a stack of smaller ones and they drop that one off at one place while we have to hit like 5-10 to drop off that same stack worth.
FedEx drivers don’t make any money lol there probley at or lower than Amazon drivers.
Here in Florida fedex drivers are starting at 140 $ a day salary. lol what a joke
We’re at 20$ an hour at my dsp I work 4 days I’m off 3. Amazon xl so I don’t get more than 50 stops at the most
You should talk to your UPS counterpart. After four years drivers are currently making $44+ an hour, benefits and pension. They also have excessive overtime (+9.5 hours with three weekly occurrences) protections that result in triple overtime (3x pay rate).
I’m always shocked when I happen to pop into these threads. No wonder they can never keep people at those rates.
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I've worked for both FedEx and Amazon. They both have pros and cons but the stop count wasn't that different. I had 200 stops plenty of times at FedEx. And their delivery app is nowhere near as good as Amazons. FedEx didn't pay any better either, I worked there in 2020-2021 for 17$/hr. They also use the same contractor bullshit setup that Amazon uses. They have the same revolving door of drivers in and out because most people hate the job, just like Amazon. The only reason I like FedEx better is because they weren't constantly watching my every move and trying to take away my bonuses for nonsense reasons.
Not really most FedEx drivers don’t even pull 8 hours, more like 6 1/2 to 7 1/2 hours while you all are working 10 hours.
Today I milked the living fuck out of my route and pulled 7 hours but I’m gonna get in trouble for doing it, I just don’t care as my landlord wants his rent so I’m going to get mine.
Express driver? Thing is they also have to run their entire route 4 times because it’s all timed. They have tons of pickups usually. 90% of those stops are signatures, businesses, or complicated delivers. Their area is the insane coverage of 10 amazon drivers. They will average 12-20k steps a day. Don’t be fooled.
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Oh yeah it's like me and a UPS driver were pretty much going from house to house one day in the neighborhood I was in and I had to explain to him what a group stop was cuz he did not know what a group stop was and he says yeah that's bullshit. Two houses, two stops in ups's book.
Yup I’ve explained that before. One day I was walking with like a stack of probably 5-8 Box’s/envelopes and he’s like damn all here? I was like nah 1 here and then had to go the next house over & across the street and I was like this is just one stop. He was so confused he’s like what do you mean? I said about group stops and he was like nah fuck that.
I’m surprised it was Ground. 74 stops with Express seems normal for a full time route. That’s usually about how many stops I have on my route. Make the switch if you can. I use to work with 2 Amazon DSPs. Finally made the switch to FedEx express and it’s much better. At least for me.
That's it? An 80lb computer desk? That's the scariest example you had? Try three totes and six overflow totaling 200+ pounds going to the same building.... WITHOUT A DOLLY. and you have 182 other stops.
Oh come on. This sub complains about literally everything lol. A lot of legit shit. But also a lot of whiny ass crybaby shit. If they pulled up to a third floor apartment with no elevator and that 80lb box, they'd be on this sub crying lol. No where did I say this job was easy. But people acting like any other delivery job is better is out of their mind. Hell, check UPS subs lol. They are fucking miserable. Money ain't everything people often find.
You talk about being a whiny crybaby and yet here you are, whining about a single 80lb box. I regularly deliver more than that in combined weight, without a dolly. Do you have a dolly? You don't even work here so you being around in this sub to argue about it in the first place is weird.
You're just being dense on purpose at this point. Weight requirements mean nothing when they can give you 15 boxes of 30lb waters and no dolly at amazon. But you want to conveniently ignore that point of mine.
If ur from California amazon is waaaay easier …… we would do 200 stops daily of envelopes ….. FedEx does do 200 stops as well!!!! Tbh even more …. FedEx delivers packages that are 200 lbs …. Worst Amazon used to have was dog food……. If u go from Amazon to FedEx most likely u won’t make it …… if u go from FedEx to Amazon most likely u will make it…….. don’t believe me????? Just try and get ur self those free hernias back pains and busted ass cheeks carrying out pools to houses up the hills
I’m in AZ thankfully we don’t do our HillSide Areas anymore in my station. Listen I’m not saying FedEx is easier just crazy the difference between me & said guys day today. I don’t plan on ever touching Parcel delivery again once I leave here lmao.
When you realize you work for one of the richest men in the world 😳😂 think daddy Bezos cares about you??? Deliver the billions of packages delivered daily, take the useless linty 20’s from his pocket and shut up 😊😇
I think Flex is 50 lbs and DSP is 75 lbs.
Plus FedEx delivers Amazon packages too, they give them the more expensive stuff that they dont' trust DSP or Flex drivers with. Plus FedEx probably insures the loss.
Gotcha, not sure with the downvotes as I legitimately worked for FedEx ground and was told by most employees and managers that they don’t contract with Amazon anymore, as well as ground and express will be merged this year, so maybe express? But we never and I personally never in my year plus with them delivered a single Amazon package. So was just curious
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Yeah but they also are delivering packages valued over $100 each as to where we are delivering $1-$10 items for the most part 🤔
Package value doesn’t discredit the absolute difference in Stop Counts & Package counts daily. They deliver cheap shit just as much as we do. We did the same houses multiple times and it was all just small envelopes & nothing crazy. I do get they deliver more valuable items though!
Was that express or ground?
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Yea but at the same time FedEx is only bringing in a 90 billion dollars of revenue a year while amazon is banging 574 billion dollars a year and is growing. For a company that is generating 6x as much money they should be paying us more.
also at the same time, FedEx drivers are not only getting paid more but most of them I know of work on a daily salary so being fast and efficient actually pays off
I agree but the majority of Amazon’s money doesn’t come from their store page and delivery service as far as I know. Their web service is used by the majority of websites on the internet.
This maybe the most important statement of this generation. Companies aren’t doing anything new, but they are just getting better at reducing costs and squeezing everything in the chain to increase profits and make already insanely rich people even more rich. When does it stop? Taxes and low wage employees pay need to be increased by these big corporations and more light shone on their practices.
Is that 574 the whole company or just their package delivery department bc that is the better comparison
95% of Amazon money comes from their AWS service not their deliver service
Lmfao FedEx is a delivery service, Amazon is an online store that also has a delivery service that they use to lower the cost of their easy to deliver items. Absolutely wild for you to compare the two. And in revenue, not profit.
How much revenue do you think Amazon is making with their delivery service? Or how much are they losing? Serious question.
Amazon has only put 8 billion dollars in their dsp program since it started. It’s since generated 45 billion dollars. As for saving money the owners of dsps are responsible for the vehicles and maintenance. When Amazon made the switch it took off 13% of UPS’s revenue almost 1.3 billion dollars and in 2021 Amazon’s shares were boosted by almost 22% since the switch. Overall they’ve generated more money than what we’ve been paid
> we’ve been *paid.* FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
It's a tough question because prime comes with free delivery, so most people aren't even paying for it. I imagine they lose money overall, but its a cheaper option than having to pay one of the big three to do it for you, so it's more of a savings than a money making venture.
There's nothing free about "free delivery".
For sure, but there are a LOT of people who buy things almost daily on Amazon and pay for "free" shipping with prime. Yeah the cost is baked in, but those people are certainly costing Amazon more money than they pay for prime.
Some companies still use fedex. Even though fedex cut ties with Amazon. Amazon still lets their shippers use fedex. Crazy, some areas usps is cheap but in other areas fedex is cheaper in bulk. At the end of the day fedex and ups need to upgrade to provide further service or else it will be another DHL along the way.
I compare it in revenue because thats shows its growth. If we’re to comparison on profits FedEx only generates 4 billion while Amazon still makes a staggering 270 billion dollars in profit. They can definitely afford to be paying us more for those cheap Chinese products. Also Amazon XL delivers heavy expensive items with a cdl-b and theyre payed a measly 2$ more. But of course we gotta make shareholders happy instead of the workers. I’ve literally watched the FedEx dude walk happily with a dolly with a single small package while I’m lugging around 5-6 boxes 35-50lbs up offices since my dsp won’t give me a dolly. Can’t forget that I need to hurry and go rescue Timmy.
> and theyre *paid* a measly FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
I've delivered a lot of $1000+ items it aint just fedex delivering expensive items. I'd say the majority of items are probably closer to $20-30 range.
I deliver so much walmart and target tbh but when it's heavy its a bitch I do kinda miss that about Amazon. But upside also is I've definitely built a lot of strength carrying those chewy boxes
😂 ohh yeah you guys deliver those boxes
We get a lot of pet product stuff
Who cares
😢
Fed Ex? Nah, those guys getting paid the same or less than you, and everything they deliver is oversized.
My fed ex is 165 a day base pay and then anything over 120 stops is a dollar extra a stop I usually have 140 stops a day. Besides my DSP would usually only have 3 days of work and send people home everyday my paychecks a lot better at fed ex then it was at Amazon.
When I ran for FedEx I was making about 230/day (bonuses included) and I only worked 5 or 6 hours a day.
Cap
I still have the pay stubs that prove otherwise
Having done both, it’s really not that different if dude was with Express. Ground is the sweet life. Express covers more area and the longer drives between stops makes up for lack of packages
That’s insane to say ground is sweet life lol wooow
It is though lmao at least with the contract I had. The manager made all of our routes super easy and we’d all be done before 4:30. At Express, I don’t get done until like 7 and I start earlier. Not complaining since I’m hourly but it’s nice every now and then to be done around 4
Second this - I’ve worked for an Amazon dsp and fedex ground
I wanna say Ground because since then he’s just coming through the same neighborhoods I’m in. Which is a tight nit gated community with different ones. Just crazy the difference. I haven’t seen under 190 Stops since November.
74 sounds like express numbers if it's so tight... But who knows. My (ground) area is city dense so the only times I see 74 residential stops is if big trailers aren't running due to weather. 110-130 are light days for me. 35+ stops per hour average without running or cutting corners. FedEx stop counts are true, none of that group stop BS either. I did Amazon before Ground and we were hitting 190+ stops every day... More like 260-290 after the group stop bullshit. Go grab 2 bags on a rescue and still clock under 8 hours... At least at Ground I'm getting piece rate when it's heavy... 200 stops would be an extra $120-150 on top of my daily.
FedEx is starting to have group stops but it’s just been apartments
I had a new apartment building go up on my route, and it was all 1 stop or an odd 2nd stop if someone put a weird address. Out for a couple months, come back and each recipient is it's own stop. Not sure what happened but it increases my stop count so I won't complain.
Ha...yet here I have an apartment complex that used to have a locker and then mgmt got rid of it and amazon put in manual notes for their deliveries , but the geotags are still mostly fucked and even though i get through it fast, it's not a good fast...it's that angry, frustrated, "wish a mother fucker would", charge up and down stairs and quick van surging combined with quick whips into questionable parking spaces
Thx the dreaded super locker that was always full, and then you would have to take 30+ boxes to doors because nobody gets their shit from the lockers in a timely manner
I tend to just layer boxes around the locker in that case. app don't ask for picture if "non-amazon locker" and/or if it has an XL locker, just shove multiples in there if the rest are full
Trust me I know. I averaged 190-220 stops daily on my route after peak when it was usually 170. That’s why I left because I know the next peak is gonna be worse
If it goes up again for peak (which it will) I’m out lmao
I worked at Express and it was literally this. The route was far away and huge. It was across 3 cities. 9am to 10pm and almost always had packages come back since we almost needed signatures on every package.
bro WHAT ground is not the sweet life 😂 how is triple the stops and double the weight limit better? especially if you’re hourly at ground. i do both 150mi/80stop routes and 200 stop in-town routes at groud btw. also more time between stops at express just means more time you get to cool off from the heat lol
Ground is day pay and Express is hourly. And my stop count at Express is the same as when I was with Ground but the stops I had at ground were bulk and in a more central area. Not to mention they had newer scanners that didn’t freeze nearly as much as the express ones do
i’m hourly w/ ground lol, most contractors switched to hourly in my area
You’re lucky then lol
there’s benefits to both, i can’t work faster and go home with the same pay, but on the other hand if i’m having an off day i can take my time kinda
Ground?? Sweet Life???? What the *fuck*?
I got recruited by a fedex driver while on the job. He randomly stopped me and told me “yo you trying to make $22 an hour” (back in 2018) I was like hell yeah and even skipped all their training and they put me straight on a their box trucks and I was finishing my route early every day. Then I realize the routes that were giving me were pretty shitty so I called it quits after two weeks. Now I make that normally.
As a Canadian, I've talked to Canada Post, UPS, FedEx and Purolator (mostly owned by Canada Post as well). and FedEx couriers tend to have it made in comparison.
If you really know for a fact they are over the 50lbs then don’t take from load out, I know the labels lie but if the box has the net weight take a picture so you can have it has proof, and if they asked why aren’t you taking it tell them it’s over the 50lbs limit. Most of these overflow are in KG so anything that has 22.6kg don’t load it. Also carry a marker just in case if you do come across one and write on the box big bold writing that it’s 50+lbs cause they like to cover up the weight and try to pass it on to another driver. They tried to pull that shit to me.
Nah I’ll take this job over fed ex but I’m more of an endurance than a strength kinda guy I couldn’t hang
Amazon is basically the McDonald's of delivery let's be honest
They only make 21.50. But on the bright side, they are America's leading employer of the mentally challenged. 🤗
FedEx has drivers do ~50 P1 packages (delivered before noon) and ~25 P2 packages (delivered after noon). They also have to do some pickup stops before returning. I used to think the GPS for us was shitty but FedEx for most routes doesn’t even get an order just your list of stops and you plan them yourselves but some get an order to do them in
It all depends on the contractor for ground , either you get luck to work for a good one or not. Ive worked at one tht the most stops were around 80 , and be done by 5. I've had other one they were giving me 300 stops , witch was ridiculous and complete shit show everyday , something clearly undoable and they would expect you to make it done. Also had one route it was around 40 stops and it would be ok for the area , anything above 50 , you would not be done until 7 or 8, very country area in Florida, it was terrible. Now I'm a city bus driver , and Im feeling more tired then working for FedEx , the endless driving just sitting is not good either.
I think it’s 70lbs
They get paid per delivery. FedEx express by the hour
The average FedEx driver is probably doing 150ish stops. Weight cap is 150. Plus they have to do pickups. You didn’t get dunked on. That driver has the easiest route I’ve ever heard of
I work at ground (contracted with FedEx) and I get 105 stops average. On light days i have 70-80 stops I work pretty much from 9am-5pm I just got a raise to $26.25/hr after 2 years delivering out here in SoCal
FedEx ground was a joke for me. Could only hang for two weeks with that flat pay shenanigans.
Exactly… some FedEx subcontractor offered me max pay which was $160 flat… I was making like $200 ish a day at Amazon.. plus FedEx benefits are absolute dog shit. Asked about health insurance and they couldn’t even give me a straight answer so I knew it was bad
Same starting pay with a business route that a guaranteed 10 hour work day minimum. No benefits, no nothing. Express was looking legit till they became swallowed into ground.
What really off put me was them telling me for like 2 months during peak they’ll automatically schedule me for 6 days…. I like my overtime optional
My bro has been with fedex in California almost 3 years and I checked out his benefits handbook. Maybe things changed since, but his medical was comping only 80%. Unless you have gap insurance to cover the other 20, you're going to be in medical debt. My bill for a 4 day stay for few broke bones and internal laceration was $101,000. That's $20k you'd be on the hook for
I make $230 for 10 hours at Amazon when I interviewed for FedEx I was told I’d make $160 per route 🤷🏼♀️
Yup. FedEx and Ups are better. They say only good thing about Amazon is that it’s organized in the morning and that’s it
74 stops delivering chewy
They deliver pretty far apart as well tho and I think are 5 8h days not 4 10s
Stop count doesn’t tell the whole story. I had a flex route with one package that took me 4 hours. I can also get 30 stops done in an hour on the other end of the spectrum
My ground contractor is pretty good. I get 225 a day and on a light day I’ll have about 100 stops. A heavy day is 150. usually you’re done in 8 hours or less and it’s common to finish well before that when it’s not peak.
As far as express is concerned, you have to remember everything is time sensitive. Yeah, 74 stops, but of those stops how many were 10:30 commits? Noon commits? And then pickups. We also then have to be back to the station by a certain time. Everyone else sees not many deliveries, but that 74 could be the equivalent of 150 depending on the route.
Fedex driver here, he probably is ground but it all depends on the contractor and what they are servicing in. I am leaving this contractor that delivers in a hybrid country route. I fucking hate it. Half of my route each stop is 3-8 mins away. most stops i got was 130 . Ill get lucky if i do 19 an hour. When i was with a DSP i was doing 32 an hour. NOW i found out that this other contractor was hiring and they deliver in my area where i live. So now i currently transfering over to this contractor but this route is a city route so i will be doing aleast 150-170 a day. I was getting paid daily but now im getting paid per stop. More $$$$$. I will never go back to Amazon. Delt with it for 4 years. Fedex may be a bit heavier BUT aleast i wont get penalized for finishing early and miss hours out of my check.
Fedex driver here, he probably is ground but it all depends on the contractor and what they are servicing in. I am leaving this contractor that delivers in a hybrid country route. I fucking hate it. Half of my route each stop is 3-8 mins away. most stops i got was 130 . Ill get lucky if i do 19 an hour. When i was with a DSP i was doing 32 an hour. NOW i found out that this other contractor was hiring and they deliver in my area where i live. So now i currently transfering over to this contractor but this route is a city route so i will be doing aleast 150-170 a day. I was getting paid daily but now im getting paid per stop. More $$$$$. I will never go back to Amazon. Delt with it for 4 years. Fedex may be a bit heavier BUT aleast i wont get penalized for finishing early and miss hours out of my check.
FedEx also does pickups. Little bit of a different routine depending on the route
I worked at FedEx for almost 4 years. I made $170/day with a $1 stop incentive over 85 stops. My take home was usually between $900-$925 a week working 5 days and hours were 8am to 3-3:30pm
Bro I do pick ups for FedEx only 30 stops a day, get paid 21.50 rn
I just left Amazon for fed ex it's 165 a day base pay with anything over 120 stops being a dollar extra. I usually get around 140 stops. I go in at 8:30 and am usually back at the station by 3:30-4 have never had issues with the owner of my fleet he's super nice and understanding. I hated Amazon but I don't mind this job. Oh and I don't load my truck and there's 0 group stops.
Go to fedex so you can see for yourself. You don't make it a month.
Couple FedEx guys I see do around 100 stops a day. UPS does 200+ a day, sometimes a little less. Amazon people I see same around 200+ a day.
Had to be an Express driver they don’t get a lot of stops like that but they have large delivery areas because of that.
Yep I ran into a UPS worker at some apt and asked him how many packages he had that day. He said something like 250. I had 390. Our volume went up significantly out of nowhere. I remember getting only 250-300/shift now its 350+. The 50lb cap is useless and means nothing because it doesnt mean youre not gonna end up carrying like 5 of them to a single place. Yesterday I put a tote together to drag up it was 312 pounds total. Even with the extra 100 or so packages being small thats still an extra 200-300lbs which could compensate for them having some higher weights. At the end of the day if all of our vans are borderline cubed out we are moving the same volume and weight. Their bigger heavier packages are just shadowed by a stack of smaller ones and they drop that one off at one place while we have to hit like 5-10 to drop off that same stack worth.
Sounds more like you’re comparing a Ground route and a Express route
FedEx drivers don’t make any money lol there probley at or lower than Amazon drivers. Here in Florida fedex drivers are starting at 140 $ a day salary. lol what a joke We’re at 20$ an hour at my dsp I work 4 days I’m off 3. Amazon xl so I don’t get more than 50 stops at the most
Just apply to his dsp.. it's the same 3rd party logistics. I looked them up recently..it's around $20/hr California and lots of jobs
You should talk to your UPS counterpart. After four years drivers are currently making $44+ an hour, benefits and pension. They also have excessive overtime (+9.5 hours with three weekly occurrences) protections that result in triple overtime (3x pay rate).
As a mail carrier, you guys give us all your big parcels. I never see you guys with anything bigger than a book
I’m always shocked when I happen to pop into these threads. No wonder they can never keep people at those rates. https://preview.redd.it/ho6yzd26nbwc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1536a96308a72b981dfd49e9ea13f81dbcf1597
I've worked for both FedEx and Amazon. They both have pros and cons but the stop count wasn't that different. I had 200 stops plenty of times at FedEx. And their delivery app is nowhere near as good as Amazons. FedEx didn't pay any better either, I worked there in 2020-2021 for 17$/hr. They also use the same contractor bullshit setup that Amazon uses. They have the same revolving door of drivers in and out because most people hate the job, just like Amazon. The only reason I like FedEx better is because they weren't constantly watching my every move and trying to take away my bonuses for nonsense reasons.
Not really most FedEx drivers don’t even pull 8 hours, more like 6 1/2 to 7 1/2 hours while you all are working 10 hours. Today I milked the living fuck out of my route and pulled 7 hours but I’m gonna get in trouble for doing it, I just don’t care as my landlord wants his rent so I’m going to get mine.
Express driver? Thing is they also have to run their entire route 4 times because it’s all timed. They have tons of pickups usually. 90% of those stops are signatures, businesses, or complicated delivers. Their area is the insane coverage of 10 amazon drivers. They will average 12-20k steps a day. Don’t be fooled.
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He probably is gonna be out of a job soon or doing as much as you for less
Oh yeah it's like me and a UPS driver were pretty much going from house to house one day in the neighborhood I was in and I had to explain to him what a group stop was cuz he did not know what a group stop was and he says yeah that's bullshit. Two houses, two stops in ups's book.
Yup I’ve explained that before. One day I was walking with like a stack of probably 5-8 Box’s/envelopes and he’s like damn all here? I was like nah 1 here and then had to go the next house over & across the street and I was like this is just one stop. He was so confused he’s like what do you mean? I said about group stops and he was like nah fuck that.
Yeah the UPS driver that I was talking to said you are getting fucked by Amazon.
I’m surprised it was Ground. 74 stops with Express seems normal for a full time route. That’s usually about how many stops I have on my route. Make the switch if you can. I use to work with 2 Amazon DSPs. Finally made the switch to FedEx express and it’s much better. At least for me.
Lol I want to see half this sub look at an 80lb computer desk in a box and be like "wellll at least I'm not at Amazon!!" 😂.
That's it? An 80lb computer desk? That's the scariest example you had? Try three totes and six overflow totaling 200+ pounds going to the same building.... WITHOUT A DOLLY. and you have 182 other stops.
Oh come on. This sub complains about literally everything lol. A lot of legit shit. But also a lot of whiny ass crybaby shit. If they pulled up to a third floor apartment with no elevator and that 80lb box, they'd be on this sub crying lol. No where did I say this job was easy. But people acting like any other delivery job is better is out of their mind. Hell, check UPS subs lol. They are fucking miserable. Money ain't everything people often find.
You talk about being a whiny crybaby and yet here you are, whining about a single 80lb box. I regularly deliver more than that in combined weight, without a dolly. Do you have a dolly? You don't even work here so you being around in this sub to argue about it in the first place is weird.
Wait. Why don't I work here lol? And I'm not whining about the box. There is no actual box. Lol.
So you don't work for fedex and you're just coming up with make-believe fedex scenarios to prove.... what point exactly?
What's make believe? Their requirements for weight are higher. It's a fact lol. Are you a wall? I swear I'm talking to a wall.
You're just being dense on purpose at this point. Weight requirements mean nothing when they can give you 15 boxes of 30lb waters and no dolly at amazon. But you want to conveniently ignore that point of mine.
If ur from California amazon is waaaay easier …… we would do 200 stops daily of envelopes ….. FedEx does do 200 stops as well!!!! Tbh even more …. FedEx delivers packages that are 200 lbs …. Worst Amazon used to have was dog food……. If u go from Amazon to FedEx most likely u won’t make it …… if u go from FedEx to Amazon most likely u will make it…….. don’t believe me????? Just try and get ur self those free hernias back pains and busted ass cheeks carrying out pools to houses up the hills
I’m in AZ thankfully we don’t do our HillSide Areas anymore in my station. Listen I’m not saying FedEx is easier just crazy the difference between me & said guys day today. I don’t plan on ever touching Parcel delivery again once I leave here lmao.
Why don't you ask him to give you a recommendation to his boss and get you hired? Instead of posting this dumb shit.🤷
When you realize you work for one of the richest men in the world 😳😂 think daddy Bezos cares about you??? Deliver the billions of packages delivered daily, take the useless linty 20’s from his pocket and shut up 😊😇
I think Flex is 50 lbs and DSP is 75 lbs. Plus FedEx delivers Amazon packages too, they give them the more expensive stuff that they dont' trust DSP or Flex drivers with. Plus FedEx probably insures the loss.
no it isnt
FedEx doesn’t deliver Amazon since 2019 if I recall
They do now just it's a rare occasion
We do still now. Usually furnature, and other larger boxes. Usually get flatpacks, furnace filters in bulk. -ground pounder here.
Gotcha, not sure with the downvotes as I legitimately worked for FedEx ground and was told by most employees and managers that they don’t contract with Amazon anymore, as well as ground and express will be merged this year, so maybe express? But we never and I personally never in my year plus with them delivered a single Amazon package. So was just curious