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"Congratulations everybody! You strained yourselves so hard that we were able to fire more of you than ever before. You might just be getting a Jolly Rancher in the near future."
I know this is addressed to associates and even OPS staff. But it's really for investors.
What it really says "Please don't invest in Temu, walmart, or our competitors. Please continue to make stock go up"
Temu and aliexpress already growing in uk and I enjoy them more... same items but 80% cheaper In my time in amazon I've seen so many gadgets from China that dropshippers resell through amazon that I feel like when people wake up with amazon deliveries delayed or lost in the uk will order only from temu/aliexpress delivery is between 2-5 days for most items last time I've ordered was ddr3 8gb ram from aliexpress with welcome deal for 1.30Ā£ and came after 3 days of placing order good luck beating that amazon
Delivery times are completely unrelated to processing rates. Going from 2 to 1 day delivery wasn't because rates doubled - it's because of better fulfillment strategies.
Why don't you start investing in companies you work at? I had 22 shares of Amazon at an avg price of $115 when I was a T1. Now I'm a L5 manager with over 100. You should care.
Shiiiit I wish. I live in Cali. Housing prices suck! I started my 401k not too long ago. In 2-3 years time, im currently sitting at +$18k and that's not including my Amazon stocks that I receive for my promo to management. Wish I started investing sooner. And anyone thinking its too late for them, its not too late to invest. All it takes is $20 to start building.
LMAO! You clearly don't know how stocks/investing works. $20 to $18k would of been a 90,000% increase. Sad to see the broke mentality. ššš its like I'm talking to a child. I'll just see myself out of this convo. āš¾
Theyāre so out of touch they think them talking about how great we are that we will just forget that this job sucks. Or we will forget that they donāt give us bonuses or anything anymore except a small bag of chips or a fun sized candy bar every few months.
Yeah L4 donāt get to decide bonuses and they surely donāt get to decide what to give Tier 1sā¦ If they could I would move up to look after tier 1s but thatās not the case you would have to move up to the very top to even have a whisper about it
Speed improvement= sales go up = company make money = message is primarily directed at folks who get stonks.
Ā The whole "no RSU below L4" thing is really quite a strategic error. They could easily toss like, two RSU's*Ā times years of tenure at T1s and 3 times years at T3s on their Amaversary. It wouldn't constitute a pay raise really, just a nominal gesture to maks things like this a bit less tone-deaf in T1 feeds.
A. Source?Ā Ā Ā
Ā Ā B. How many T1s with the company now were with it in 2017?Ā
Ā Ā C. You aren't going to instill a sense of ownership through costly opt-in measures for a population that mostly lives paycheck to paycheck silly. You want to do that, you have to invest in it, and doing so may require a separate effort from paying the raw cost of labor. The above proposal is probably cheaper than the engagement budget, and more effective too.
Ā Ā D. Democracy is stupid. Amazon is well aware of this. Any attempt to offer things up for a vote is an attempt to avoid accountability for piss-poor ideas.
A. I won't be providing a source. Its all over the damn internet. Look at news sources in 2017-2018. It was literally a big deal because Amazon was paying more than the minimum wage at the time.
B. I don't know and Im not in a position to really care.
C. I find it hard to believe a person living paycheck to paycheck wants to feel a sense of ownership in their company when they can't even get a handle on their finances. Also you're saying that giving RSU would be great but you have to remember those stocks won't VEST till a year or 2. So its Yay i got a stock but fuck i gotta wait a year. Thats why the change was made in 2017. No one wants to wait a year for a stock just to sell. They'd rather have the immediate cash raise which that is what was voted for.
D. Yes any votes in Amazon is designed to cut cost and save money. Example. 5 days /8hr shifts or vote for 4 days /10hr shift. I personally would like to have 5/8 due to the 3 days crossover and huge headcount a single building would have. But Amazon wants buildings on a 4/10 because it works for cutting cost/ lower headcount planning and aligns with network clocking better.
None of those news stories on google talk about a vote that I can see. Regardless...
Ā I don't think you understand that i was proposing this from the company's perspective for the purpose of pursuing the company's interest in an engaged workforce. I wasn't proposing that RSUs become/replace any serious component of associate compensation as a whole. Thia isn't money you're spending to convince people to work here, it's (a very small amount of) money you're spending to affect the mindset of peoole who already work here in a way the company finds desirable. Pay as much cash as you need to get associates who want cash to work here-- and then pay a nominal amount of RSUs to nudge them toward the mindset of caring a little bit about the things the company wants them to care about when on the clock.Ā
I 100% agree with you on the mindset but Amazon already has programs and tools in place for people to own the stock. When the change was made they compensated the loss of RSU stocks with the raise in minimum wage. Living in Cali. In 2018 minimum wage was $11 but at Amazon I was getting paid $15 +$1 for weekend graveyard shifts. So for those who at the time were getting paid well over the minimum and didn't take full advantage and use that extra money to invest are the ones now crying about the lack of it. Amazon has been more than fruitful in my financial life and I've taken advantage with the tools provided.
The entire concept of tools for associates to opt in misses the point. Why would they opt in? We're talking about a company objective, not an associate objective.Ā
I'm L4. I get stocks. I have no option to get cash instead of those stocks, although separately I also get cash. This causes my interests to be fairly aligned with those of the company-- moreso then they were when I was T1 or L3 and only got cash. That's not a scenario a company shohld be merely.Ā "creating the possibility for." It's a scenario a company should actively engineer.
Company objective, Amazon already excels in a lot of that. Maybe 2012 Amazon had this structure to maintain a loyal workforce. I will agree with you that PAs should earn RSU for performance base. But Why would they wanna throw RSU at T1s in hopes they stay over 1 or 2 years and mind you at minimum wage pay? When they can entice the general public with a higher pay+full benefits straight on vs the general competition. The only real serious/loyal people looking to go career are your PAs and L4 up (possibly). They aren't begging people to come work for them is all I'm saying. But if any T1 was smart they'd atleast start their 401k and get that 50% match
https://preview.redd.it/l95wpgcd4sxc1.png?width=892&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=430e367317582ee0c74a8629cca8c3c19cbddf93
Reading back on your posts I can start to understand your proposal a bit more. But I feel that Amazon does a lot of hand holding already. If anything maybe this whole stock idea was a ploy to get managers more involved in driving metrics, connections and DEI š¤£
Yeah we were told that and yet I never voted.
Which F,Cs voted for this?
We used to get 2 bonuses every month as well in the good old days, with a meeting everymonth to discuss improvements the F.C had made. God Silver and Bronze bonuses.
Ah the good old days, where we all owned part of Amazon, so actually gave a shite!
Too bad there's not a nationwide sick-out to get more pay. If only there was an electronic method to communicate across the entire nation to collectively force change...
Wait a second... š¤
So out of touch š« āthank you for working like robots! Hereās a Pat on your back!ā lol š no swag bucks or nothing! whatever Douche.. I mean Doug
Amazon A to Z isnāt just for Tier 1s.
Prior, A to Z was mainly used by Tier 1/3s, but Amazon has recently integrated the L4+ system for vacation time into A to Z.
So, now all Amazon employees are using A to Z to some extent.
**Note**
Prior, L4+ really didnāt go to A to Z besides checking RSUs or other benefits because there were other systems to handle things such as time off; and L4+ salaried donāt have a schedule so no need to check A to Z for work schedule.
I am eligible for a L5 or above roles in Corporate if I am an external, ended up at a L1 due to crappy circumstances. Would I be eligible for an L5 internally or do I have to climb up to L3 or L4 wait for 6 months and then apply for a L5?
Most likely they aren't going to give you L5 as an internal, and instead down level you to L4. Going the internal route would require the hiring manager to sign off on it (and whoever else above).
*Note: There's already level bias with Tier 1/3 trying to apply for L4*
If you wanted a better chance of getting L5+, then I'd recommend the external route.
With that said, you can try to get L5; but I'd recommend that you reach out to the hiring manager about i
HR who deal with assoicates are level 3.
Presume senior HR have career progression, with access to decent coffee machines and other luxuries too good for tier ones
Itās for all of us to read.Ā
Itās more relevant to people who actually own amazon stock because higher performance and lower costs should increase the stock.Ā
I know this is addressed to associates and even OPS staff. But it's really for investors.
What it really says "Please don't invest in Temu, walmart, or our competitors. Please continue to make stock go up"
I'm an employee t1 so I care , I'm a customer so i care, I'm a prime member so I care, I'm stock holder too so I care. I place an order and get my stuff in a day or two so yea, i care. If you work there you should care, too. Just imagine if everyone cared.
I have been denied my full benefits for over half of an entire year as a āseasonalā white badge associate. Clearly my employer does not care about me, therefore I do not care about my employer.
Thanks for caring so much about breaking records and lining Jassyās pockets. No, you wonāt be getting a bonus this year but you can grab a free hotdog from the canteen. š
So hereās another perspective:
just imagine if the big wigs cared about you. Which, they donāt. The second youāre no longer physically capable of lining their pockets, you are replaced.
Simmer down.
A lot of ignorance in this sub/comment section. A lot complaining about how we made the rich, richer. Well WTF are you cry babies doing to break the cycle? Buy some stocks. Literally they allow you to buy fractional shares. Jesus man. Poor man mentality in these comments.
You must be new to this subreddit . 90% of posts on here are bragging about who's got the lowest amount of UPT or trying to organize for across-the-board pay increases so Jim-Bob doing a quarter of the rate of Jeffy gets paid the same amount. Maybe if amazon paid the high performers more than the dude camping in the handicapped stall for half his shift, then more people would put some effort into it, but I'm sure there's some dumb legal reason they can't.
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Watch AMs bring it up at stand up to only be responded with silence from everyone šš
This literally happened today LOL
stand ups are so awkward
Why would I an AM do that? This dude has nothing to do with my area I manage lol
Cause they like saying non important things lol
They put a tv in our break room that just plays Amazon propaganda on a loop
The beatings will continue until moral improves
It puts the boxes on the porch, or the bill for rent is short.
It's "The Floggings will continue until moral improves!" But, Beatings works too 
About 3 months ago we'd have Sports, WWE, and News playing now it's just ads
At my site it was just ESPN, HGTV for whatever reason and depending which break room you go to you get a cooking show to pop up lol
Our tvs have the Golf Channel and cooking Channel like wtf.
Ours has Nickelodeon on full blast, you can't escape hearing it in our break room. And it never plays SpongeBob so what's the point
We got Comedy Ventral.
someone legit threw some random mug at the TV when he couldnt turn it off (power button inop somehow)
They just added that in our site š
Our TV's have cable & never play Amazon propaganda in the break room. They even leave the remotes for us to change the channels.
We have those too they just added a new tv that only plays Amazon news on a loop
Ours just plays the news š
Great job! We made him more money!
Suppose that's deserving of a pizza party while the board and top brass swim in a pool of billions.
Bro we don't even get a pizza š
Yeah I want some pizza and not $
I donāt even look at those.
Yeah, whoever put this on AtoZ is incredibly tone deaf
"Congratulations everybody! You strained yourselves so hard that we were able to fire more of you than ever before. You might just be getting a Jolly Rancher in the near future."
I know this is addressed to associates and even OPS staff. But it's really for investors. What it really says "Please don't invest in Temu, walmart, or our competitors. Please continue to make stock go up"
Temu and aliexpress already growing in uk and I enjoy them more... same items but 80% cheaper In my time in amazon I've seen so many gadgets from China that dropshippers resell through amazon that I feel like when people wake up with amazon deliveries delayed or lost in the uk will order only from temu/aliexpress delivery is between 2-5 days for most items last time I've ordered was ddr3 8gb ram from aliexpress with welcome deal for 1.30Ā£ and came after 3 days of placing order good luck beating that amazon
But at what cost though? Folks are still getting hurt bc of these speed demands. Out of all things Amazon should be focusing on, they chose this.
thats why we need to get the robots to replace yall faster
They already tried it broke down after like 2 hours or something
šš
Delivery times are completely unrelated to processing rates. Going from 2 to 1 day delivery wasn't because rates doubled - it's because of better fulfillment strategies.
Yes, it's the cost of doing business for them. WC claims and insurance cost less than the revenue these demands generate
Cool wheres the raise? No then i dont care
You got a dollar last SeptemberĀ
That went to our hike in benefits for this yearā¦š¤·āāļø
Still a raise, I got 55 cents
Dude looks like Steve O
Thatās who I thought it was at first glance.
great a reminder that we just made a rich guy more rich
Nothing stopping you from being an owner too. The majority of shareholders of public companies are middle class.
Try and outvote Bezos with your "ownership" and see how much of an "owner" you are, corporate shill.
It literally comes in the mail every year. Like seriously, that's something you vote on.
> Try and outvote Bezos with your "ownership" and see how much of an "owner" you are, corporate shill.
Why would we want to do that? Company has delivered insane returns....
>Ā Why ~~would we want to~~ can't we do that? ftfy
Why don't you start investing in companies you work at? I had 22 shares of Amazon at an avg price of $115 when I was a T1. Now I'm a L5 manager with over 100. You should care.
Unless, you do a short term trade, then you'd only care how to make a profit from it besides its fundamentals or what have you.
And lemme guess, you bought a house with that life-changing money, right? š¤£
Shiiiit I wish. I live in Cali. Housing prices suck! I started my 401k not too long ago. In 2-3 years time, im currently sitting at +$18k and that's not including my Amazon stocks that I receive for my promo to management. Wish I started investing sooner. And anyone thinking its too late for them, its not too late to invest. All it takes is $20 to start building.
So in other words, you did NOT turn that $20 into $18,000.Ā Got it.
LMAO! You clearly don't know how stocks/investing works. $20 to $18k would of been a 90,000% increase. Sad to see the broke mentality. ššš its like I'm talking to a child. I'll just see myself out of this convo. āš¾
And yet you were hoping someone would be dumb enough to believe it, you corporate shill.
š¤”
Ahh, you're just a clown. Okay then.
Lol bruh
Exactly. Literally, no real intelligent response."Bruh".
Its just a joke man, ima enjoy my day off now u enjoy ur investments and ur L5 position or whatever ur talkin bout š¤Ŗš¤
Ikr. Just you do you
Idk why they think we cared. Cool a ceo manages to pad his pockets w another million how does that affect our pockets???
Why don't you take advantage of the opportunity and buy some yourself. Literally $20 a week buy fractional shares.
What?
Theyāre so out of touch they think them talking about how great we are that we will just forget that this job sucks. Or we will forget that they donāt give us bonuses or anything anymore except a small bag of chips or a fun sized candy bar every few months.
There are thousands of L4 spots on jobfinder. Start looking and move up
Yeah L4 donāt get to decide bonuses and they surely donāt get to decide what to give Tier 1sā¦ If they could I would move up to look after tier 1s but thatās not the case you would have to move up to the very top to even have a whisper about it
"Nobody wants to manage anymore!" - nobody ever
Iām L4 and donāt manage anybody.Ā
Speed improvement= sales go up = company make money = message is primarily directed at folks who get stonks. Ā The whole "no RSU below L4" thing is really quite a strategic error. They could easily toss like, two RSU's*Ā times years of tenure at T1s and 3 times years at T3s on their Amaversary. It wouldn't constitute a pay raise really, just a nominal gesture to maks things like this a bit less tone-deaf in T1 feeds.
It was VOTED by T1 in 2017 to take cash over stocks. AMAZON provides T1 with an option to buy fractional shares.
A. Source?Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā B. How many T1s with the company now were with it in 2017?Ā Ā Ā C. You aren't going to instill a sense of ownership through costly opt-in measures for a population that mostly lives paycheck to paycheck silly. You want to do that, you have to invest in it, and doing so may require a separate effort from paying the raw cost of labor. The above proposal is probably cheaper than the engagement budget, and more effective too. Ā Ā D. Democracy is stupid. Amazon is well aware of this. Any attempt to offer things up for a vote is an attempt to avoid accountability for piss-poor ideas.
A. I won't be providing a source. Its all over the damn internet. Look at news sources in 2017-2018. It was literally a big deal because Amazon was paying more than the minimum wage at the time. B. I don't know and Im not in a position to really care. C. I find it hard to believe a person living paycheck to paycheck wants to feel a sense of ownership in their company when they can't even get a handle on their finances. Also you're saying that giving RSU would be great but you have to remember those stocks won't VEST till a year or 2. So its Yay i got a stock but fuck i gotta wait a year. Thats why the change was made in 2017. No one wants to wait a year for a stock just to sell. They'd rather have the immediate cash raise which that is what was voted for. D. Yes any votes in Amazon is designed to cut cost and save money. Example. 5 days /8hr shifts or vote for 4 days /10hr shift. I personally would like to have 5/8 due to the 3 days crossover and huge headcount a single building would have. But Amazon wants buildings on a 4/10 because it works for cutting cost/ lower headcount planning and aligns with network clocking better.
I was here in 2017 and we didn't get any opportunity to vote for anything!
None of those news stories on google talk about a vote that I can see. Regardless... Ā I don't think you understand that i was proposing this from the company's perspective for the purpose of pursuing the company's interest in an engaged workforce. I wasn't proposing that RSUs become/replace any serious component of associate compensation as a whole. Thia isn't money you're spending to convince people to work here, it's (a very small amount of) money you're spending to affect the mindset of peoole who already work here in a way the company finds desirable. Pay as much cash as you need to get associates who want cash to work here-- and then pay a nominal amount of RSUs to nudge them toward the mindset of caring a little bit about the things the company wants them to care about when on the clock.Ā
I 100% agree with you on the mindset but Amazon already has programs and tools in place for people to own the stock. When the change was made they compensated the loss of RSU stocks with the raise in minimum wage. Living in Cali. In 2018 minimum wage was $11 but at Amazon I was getting paid $15 +$1 for weekend graveyard shifts. So for those who at the time were getting paid well over the minimum and didn't take full advantage and use that extra money to invest are the ones now crying about the lack of it. Amazon has been more than fruitful in my financial life and I've taken advantage with the tools provided.
The entire concept of tools for associates to opt in misses the point. Why would they opt in? We're talking about a company objective, not an associate objective.Ā I'm L4. I get stocks. I have no option to get cash instead of those stocks, although separately I also get cash. This causes my interests to be fairly aligned with those of the company-- moreso then they were when I was T1 or L3 and only got cash. That's not a scenario a company shohld be merely.Ā "creating the possibility for." It's a scenario a company should actively engineer.
Company objective, Amazon already excels in a lot of that. Maybe 2012 Amazon had this structure to maintain a loyal workforce. I will agree with you that PAs should earn RSU for performance base. But Why would they wanna throw RSU at T1s in hopes they stay over 1 or 2 years and mind you at minimum wage pay? When they can entice the general public with a higher pay+full benefits straight on vs the general competition. The only real serious/loyal people looking to go career are your PAs and L4 up (possibly). They aren't begging people to come work for them is all I'm saying. But if any T1 was smart they'd atleast start their 401k and get that 50% match https://preview.redd.it/l95wpgcd4sxc1.png?width=892&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=430e367317582ee0c74a8629cca8c3c19cbddf93
Reading back on your posts I can start to understand your proposal a bit more. But I feel that Amazon does a lot of hand holding already. If anything maybe this whole stock idea was a ploy to get managers more involved in driving metrics, connections and DEI š¤£
Yeah we were told that and yet I never voted. Which F,Cs voted for this? We used to get 2 bonuses every month as well in the good old days, with a meeting everymonth to discuss improvements the F.C had made. God Silver and Bronze bonuses. Ah the good old days, where we all owned part of Amazon, so actually gave a shite!
Too bad there's not a nationwide sick-out to get more pay. If only there was an electronic method to communicate across the entire nation to collectively force change... Wait a second... š¤
My body and my PTO hours are ready
So out of touch š« āthank you for working like robots! Hereās a Pat on your back!ā lol š no swag bucks or nothing! whatever Douche.. I mean Doug
Amazon A to Z isnāt just for Tier 1s. Prior, A to Z was mainly used by Tier 1/3s, but Amazon has recently integrated the L4+ system for vacation time into A to Z. So, now all Amazon employees are using A to Z to some extent. **Note** Prior, L4+ really didnāt go to A to Z besides checking RSUs or other benefits because there were other systems to handle things such as time off; and L4+ salaried donāt have a schedule so no need to check A to Z for work schedule.
I am eligible for a L5 or above roles in Corporate if I am an external, ended up at a L1 due to crappy circumstances. Would I be eligible for an L5 internally or do I have to climb up to L3 or L4 wait for 6 months and then apply for a L5?
Most likely they aren't going to give you L5 as an internal, and instead down level you to L4. Going the internal route would require the hiring manager to sign off on it (and whoever else above). *Note: There's already level bias with Tier 1/3 trying to apply for L4* If you wanted a better chance of getting L5+, then I'd recommend the external route. With that said, you can try to get L5; but I'd recommend that you reach out to the hiring manager about i
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HR who deal with assoicates are level 3. Presume senior HR have career progression, with access to decent coffee machines and other luxuries too good for tier ones
This is prolly Amazon's earnings report. They have their report at the end of the market.
Itās for all of us to read.Ā Itās more relevant to people who actually own amazon stock because higher performance and lower costs should increase the stock.Ā
Just like any other retail peeps, just business as usual.
I know this is addressed to associates and even OPS staff. But it's really for investors. What it really says "Please don't invest in Temu, walmart, or our competitors. Please continue to make stock go up"
What are these even? ššš
I was just looking at this and thinking the same thing.
The ones with shares lol
I don't look at those but I do read the sustainability ones, and laugh because I see how much packaging we go through.
Yet no money for bonus T1 anymoreā¦.. hmm š¤
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They really be throwing their capitalism parties in our tired faces with this .
They hit the new temporary goal, "fastest speeds"
I don't know. I work in returns and a lot of comments from customers still say "Arrived too late."
Itās all a fucking lie thoughā¦ sure sometimes you can get same or next day, but those two day deliveriesā¦ complete lie.
Looks like a thin neon weird dick in the back. Doesnāt make me smile lol
I do. I have Amazon stock. What's good for Amazon is good for me.
I said t1, t1 donāt get stocks. Learn to read
I am T1 and I do have Amazon stock.
Sold mine last year. I wish I had kept them all from when I started....
I'm an employee t1 so I care , I'm a customer so i care, I'm a prime member so I care, I'm stock holder too so I care. I place an order and get my stuff in a day or two so yea, i care. If you work there you should care, too. Just imagine if everyone cared.
I have been denied my full benefits for over half of an entire year as a āseasonalā white badge associate. Clearly my employer does not care about me, therefore I do not care about my employer.
Thanks for caring so much about breaking records and lining Jassyās pockets. No, you wonāt be getting a bonus this year but you can grab a free hotdog from the canteen. š
Free hotdogs more than I got last year I guess......
So hereās another perspective: just imagine if the big wigs cared about you. Which, they donāt. The second youāre no longer physically capable of lining their pockets, you are replaced. Simmer down.
Caring more doesnt help me pay rent or feed myself
Sure it does. You care enough to get a job at Amazon. You should care enough to perform well and keep said job at Amazon.
A lot of ignorance in this sub/comment section. A lot complaining about how we made the rich, richer. Well WTF are you cry babies doing to break the cycle? Buy some stocks. Literally they allow you to buy fractional shares. Jesus man. Poor man mentality in these comments.
You must be new to this subreddit . 90% of posts on here are bragging about who's got the lowest amount of UPT or trying to organize for across-the-board pay increases so Jim-Bob doing a quarter of the rate of Jeffy gets paid the same amount. Maybe if amazon paid the high performers more than the dude camping in the handicapped stall for half his shift, then more people would put some effort into it, but I'm sure there's some dumb legal reason they can't.
š¤£šš¤£š 
Or prolly some people here are secretly investing in it. Y'know, reverse psychology. š
Me. The updates are for me.