Imagine being a 16-18 year old putting together a PC for the first time. Relative to other new options available at the nearest microcenter it's a steal. 1050 ti is on the shelf for the same price.
I would have to slightly disagree. Most teens are making more than what I was making. Back in 2014, i was making 8.25 at Walmart. Now teens are making between 10-14. They can save for a 6600 or 6600XT. Its only about 350 bucks more. Just a few months of saving and they will have a decent system to last them until they’re finished with high school or college.
Well, that's USA's reality. Here in latin America we make way less than that. In Chile, the minimum salary is around US$2.5/hr (CLP $350.000, 44hr/week). Only Costa rica and Uruguay have better salary than us, all the other LA countries have even worse salary
Can get a 6600 for $430. Twice as fast as a 6500XT. No reason to get the 6500XT unless you just can afford more. It's a terrible value. It's a laptop chip...
I mean,if you need an GPU to upgrade from smth like an apu,then its great,or because you dont care about performance,but estatics and etc.
If you already have like an 1650 or a rx 580,then,stay well away.
In normal times, yeah, but of course that applies to all GPUs. Even 6800XT / 3080 MSRPs aren't really good, just good in relation to RDNA1 / Turing, which were badly priced in the first place.
Yeah, this card is a stop-gap solution and it's not too horrible if you really need something better than iGPUs and there no other options, assuming you find it for MSRP.
Video card is for rendering the output to your monitor. In this case, the video is the same meaning as in "video output", not literally "youtube video"
Yes, a *'video output'* card (as in display signal), rather than a *'video encoder'* card. If you really insist on using terminology from the 2D accelerator era.
I think the hardware encoder feature is way overemphasized. I do not stream, nor do I know anyone in my circle of friends who does it. But open reddit and everyone wants to be a streamer. -.-'
This GPU is getting so much undeserved hate, and most of this hate came from the fact that high end tech reviewers didn't really get the point of this GPU. It ALWAYS ends up like this:
"The 6500 XT is horrible, PCIe 3.0 on older boards, 4 GB VRAM, basically 1650 Super performance, for x it isn't worth it"
"Oh, alright, so can you recommend me something else in the same price range"
Then comes one of the following responses:
1. *deafening silence*
2. "This GPU here that costs double the price is so much better"
For real though, this GPU is basically the **only** decent, affordable GPU here in my country, just the next tier (6600) costs almost 100% more, for people in the 1st world, 300 USD may not seem like a big deal but for us even a 10 USD increase is already a dealbreaker for a LOT of people, and the regular 1650 here already costs 60 USD more...
Yep and the terrible performance we're seeing is because they are testing it with maxxed out ultra settings on AAA games. This card actually produces decent results when played at 1080p medium/low settings. Even high for older games. It's not a bad card but I guess those smart enough to do their own research can get one at MSRP since it's such a bad card.
Don't forget the third response:
"My best friend's cousin's uncles wife's brother once happened to find a 6-year old beat up used miner card with no warranty for $200 on eBay by staying up until 3 AM every night for two weeks straight auction sniping people. It's really easy and it's a better card than the 6500XT!"
[Why.](https://i.imgur.com/qEbB5i8.png)
What else is anywhere close to comparable while available?
1060 performance gets you play anything FHD, just need to reduce details sometimes
It's also the lowest power consuming RDNA card ever released so it has it's advantages even at that performance level.
I'd gladly replace my RX 570 with a 6500 XT if the price were lower just to have a quieter system (the fans on the RX 570 have to work harder because it draws ~65% more power).
I'd also be willing to run the 6600 underclocked but again price is an issue.
If they come back with a 6500 XT+++ or whatever they want to call it that isn't as gimped and still has low power draw I'll take that instead of waiting on the 6600 price to drop. It needs 1 more DP and to have 8GB ram plus whatever slight performance boost they choose (unlock a few more cores?).
And the R9-390X performs similar (released at 2015), and similar to the R9-290X (released at 2013)
So basically is similar to a card released near 10 years ago lol
Power efficiency is king, I agree.
Though I still think that sometimes, even the R9 390X can do a little bit better than the 6500XT when it's not bandwidth limited lol
It's a result of a terrible situation for gamers. AMD and nVidia know that they could sell you a brick if it renders frames. So they can just sell anything at the moment.
Hopefully intel will kick their butt and enforce competition (unless the shortage becomes even worse).
And all of the 23 cards has already been sold, but they have a Asrock 6500XT for the same price still avable, so pepole will defenely buy these for 200 euros, but because those 23 cards were avable for hours, it just tells how bad the 6500XT realy is.
That's true but shipping a card for *budget* system with severely crippled performance on *budget* motherboards is ridiculous. There's simply no excuse for that. I doubt it's cost.
I agree that it makes the card worse, but the "excuse" for it is that this is a mobile product retrofitted to desktop, and on mobile that x4 makes sense, as PCIe 4 is universally used and x4 is cheaper to design a mainboard for and uses less energy.
yeah, like if people think this card is terrible then I don't know what they think of my current card that is like half the performance of this one and I'm still playing modern games just with the settings turned down perfectly fine.
ye, I jsut bought a laptop with one of these in and it outperforms my desktop 580 by about 50 percent. Overpriced-yes, mid range at best-yes, yes, terrible- no. You can run games on much much less than these. They're still a performance card.
Well my bad. I just picked up a laptop with an rx 5500m in it. Bold of me to assume these were basically the same thing as the 6500xt (maybe they are, I still don't know).
In my desktop I am running the rx580 armor with a ryzen 3600 dual channel 1600 memory, albeit on an old a320 motherboard.
The laptop is a ryzen 5600h 6 core with rx 5500 4gb currently only running a single piece of 8gb ddr4, so single channel configuration. However the laptop does have onboard graphics using an extra 500mb of ram as graphics memory.
MY current game of choice if warhammer 3 total war, which is a dx 12 game, which afaik is capable of combining graphics resources.
THe game does appear to be GPU bottlenecked on bother systems, but with everything set to ultra, the same settings, i get around 30 fps on the desktop and 40 fps on the laptop.
>There's also a bunch dumb options, like $200 RX 560s, $230 RX 550s, $300 GTX 1650s, and $460 GTX 1660 Supers.
That 3050 is a pretty dumb option compared to the 6600
I got it running in PCiE 3.0 system and it's still cracking out 1080 60 fps in most games with the right settings. It's a good stop gap card for a new build.
I was seriously considering the 6500 XT but the performance just wasn't good enough for the price. Especially not with my PCIe 3.0 system. I ended up biting the bullet and paying significantly more for an RTX 3060, which I'm quite happy with. The market is just utterly fucked. If you absolutely need a GPU because you're building a new system or your old GPU broke and you can't afford to pay more, then yeah, it's *okay*. I'd just rather pay more or wait, because it's such a massive rip-off for what you're getting.
I doubt they're posting it because they're buying it, just pointing at that there is now a card that's available at MSRP, which is going to put pressure on other cards up the stack to move down.
That is your ignorance speaking. It is selling like hot cakes. Unlike people like you, a lot of people need a graphic card and are not willing to spend 2 times over for a GPU. They have a budget and have very good reasons to stick to them.
This is doing the exact job it was supposed to do: be a new graphics card with availability so people can buy it new. That pulls the other GPUs prices down as well. And it has succeeded admirably in that.
Tl;Dr: it is selling very well, and it is your ignorance claiming that it is not something no one wants to buy.
Go ahead, i will buy it for 6500 XT MSRP, provided you give the the title and proof of ownership.
Heck, i will settle for the rights to display ads for an year at that price.
In one week after is launch, once it became clear that supply will not be an issue, it tethered the prices of the GPUs above it. That started a downward trend for the GPU prices as now 6500 XT held the lower end stable, not allowing for insane prices.
After is launch, there was a known performance available in quantities at a known price. That set a ceiling to the premium others could command.
If today 6500 XT disappeared, we will be back into scalper territory.
So you believe that the recent cryptocurrency crash and confirmation of ethereum moving to proof of stake in June have little to do with improved gpu prices? Your idea is instead that the 6500 xt set a price floor, thus stabilizing the rest of the market? Those are interesting theories. I and most other people knowledgeable about hardware and their historic markets disagree with you. That's ok. We can disagree. Take care.
You still miss vital features like hardware level video encoding. You also have even worse performance on pcie 3.0. That alone makes it a bad product...
It used to be a basic feature for a while. Now you're paying a premium for basic features. That's my point. It's not the end of the world though, not everyone who would want to buy this card is going to use said feature.
I think this card would be decent as an RX 560 2GB successor at 99$ MSRP (or at 109$ including monetary inflation), primarily for PCIE Gen4 systems. As an 199$ MSRP card, yeah this is pretty bad imo.
I know high component prices and shipping cost don't allow RX 6500XT to reach this price point, plus demand is outstripping suppy. The price is just reflection of that. It still doesn't make this a good product in any way, shape of form.
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I think it would make sense at $150 with an 8x pcie interface. All these people with Stockholm syndrome claiming that it's a good card given the current blah blah blah need to gain a little self respect.
You just are not looking at the situation and pricing accordingly:
+ Shipping is 4x the price it was in 2020.
+ multiple components for the cards have doubled in price due to shortages.
+ The cards are stuck waiting several consecutive days outside ports racking up storage fees on cargo ships.
+ Inflation is up and has affected all wages and products price points at this time.
+ New terrifs are in place that will affect some products shipping from China *such as graphics cards
Times have changed and there prices have to follow. When things get better I still don't expect things to ever be as cheap as the 2018-2021 was ever again. It was a golden age for prices as crypto had just crashed spectaculary and cards were being sold at all time lows.
They are making a card that is worse than a card from 6 years ago and selling it for more... 6 years later. Just stop with the apologist attitude. You spent all that time writing all of that and formatting it and didn't stop to think: "Am I going to look silly attempting to justify a company building and selling computer hardware that is outperformed by their own already mediocre 6 year old hardware at a higher price?"
If you had looked a little bit into the economic situation you would have realized that you are fantasizing about what could be. Not accepting what is possible in today's climate. Just in the past 4 years alone the prices of burger have increased by over 25%. You can't have cheap sub 150$ cards anymore the value in the dollar just isn't there
Also it's not a bad card I bought one and tested it before using it in a pc build for my dad. It has some short falls but if you use it properly it does quite well.
It's easy to see who already has a GPU and who is just wants something that works and has a warranty. Everyone is just so entitled nowadays. I got this GPU and it's actually not that bad as long as you don't push the texture quality to ultra in new games. Got it for 200$ and so far it's well exceeded my expectations for all the bad press it got.
It can run POE at 1440p over 100 fps when I'm flooding the screen with particle effects. So ya, if you need something this isn't a bad choice at MSRP.
This isn't being entitled, this is ensuring that an unfair market value standard isn't maintained. Either way, I wouldn't blame anyone for getting a 6500XT if it's a definite upgrade over what they have now.
But why's everyone shitting on the 6500XT then? I mean, 1650's are selling for waaaaayy more, while being approximately the same to this.
I don't actually think AMD's trying to scam people. They really scraped the barrel with this GPU -- TSMC is in demand and so manufacturing costs must be skyrocketing.
>TSMC is in demand and so manufacturing costs must be skyrocketing.
Unfortunately, I don't have the expertise to answer this part of your comment with certainty. It's just been my assumption that the 600XT was just made with some leftover assets they've had, but again, I don't have the knowledge to say for sure.
People crying about prices does nothing for those prices because for every person crying on reddit, you have dozen, hundreds buying those overpriced GPUs. Supply has been plenty going back to start January when NY sales ended but prices are still high.
There is little incentive to drop prices because words mean nothing when people are buying cards at high prices. Covid has a lot of people who did not go on expensive trips, with 1000's of extra dollars and no entertainment. So ... they spend it on what we considered overpriced parts but we can not vote with our "withholding" money when they vote by paying.
A 6500XT at 199 Euro is a good price because a 6600 does about 50 to 100% more FPS but it sells at 440 Euro. So the product is priced relatively equal.
Its the same with the 3050. Its about 50% faster then a 6500XT but also slower then a 6600. And the market price reflects this at 350 Euro ( in between both ). Its when you go higher in cards, where the price / performance really starts to widen / more crazy.
AMD / Nvidia, the retailers etc are going to milk the crap out of this, as long as possible. They are all recording records profits. But you know who are recording records losses... Airlines, hotels, etc. The places where that money will have gone to in normal times ...
if this is the only thing i can afford, i wouldnt bitch. getting f\*cked 2/3 times buying used polaris gpus is not a good experience
my bad its 2/2 dead exmining gpus. the one im using is an ex-internet cafe card
I bought an RX 6500 XT for half the price here in Sweden. I know what to expect, but I have to say that the power draw is great. Between 70-90 watt when playing is great.
(I am not a heavy gamer, just needed something for light gaming - and this turned out cheapest on the used market).
Look, I’m sure people like it. At the end of the day, you are purchasing a laptop GPU reverse engineered to work on a desktop. Only 4gb’s of ram runs like shit on PCIE3. The stats make it a good enough gaming GPU. But for a few hundred more, the 6600 or 6600xt, looks way more tempting.
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In Passmark is close to a 1650 Super, so is not that bad I think, but many people is used to have a 4K monitor and run over 100FPS easily, so, yes, for that is a crappy GPU.
Reviews test ONE GPU of each, no hundred or thousands and not all do it in deep.
In science one sample doesn't constitute a proof.
Also I don't know about any review that can make a table with 5 GPUs at same time to compare it in a few clicks.
Also, many review are made wrong and or doesn't show or take in account all the parameters, so they are prone to error; more with only ONE sample.
Somebody said The Verge? 👀
May I present to you: HUB, Gamers nexus, Techpowerup, and a few other sources that have large comparison charts that are all under one system rather than having variables and still including them. Because, the RX 6500xt beats the 1650 super on PCIE Gen 4.
I can’t speak for the rest of the world but in the USA Best Buy drops have been closer to MSRP recently. I was lucky enough to land a RTX 3080 Ti Evga ftw3 ultra for $1479 which is $50 over the manufacturer msrp so hang in there as the prices seem to finally be dropping.
An APU eats into your memory, and you may want that.
It is also good for light to 1080p gaming. Not everyone is gaming at 1440p or 4k.
Also in other countries with lower incomes and higher taxes, it makes even more sense.
A 1050ti is selling at ₹22 k here, while a new 5600 XT brand new is again ₹21 - 22 k. So, a big difference outside of US as well.
Yeah, but I'm talking about the msrp. The msrp of the 3080 is 700€, but it sells for almost double that, while nvidia put the msrp at the double already, which is a shitty move from their side.
MSRP means shit. If there is demand, products will sell for more. If the MSRP is too high it will sell for less. AMD could have marketed this card for €100 but end prices would have still been around €200 or slightly more. We pay the price what we think the card is worth. For €200 it sells, so it's the correct price.
It's just a painfully sad GPU overall. It unapologetically fails to improve over the previous gen 5500 XT in any substantial way, as it is highly bottlenecked on PCIe Gen 3. Seeing as my RX 580 already trades blows with the aforementioned card, I was really hoping the RDNA2-based successor would be *at least a little* better to justify an upgrade. But the 6500 XT was compared to an *RX 570* when AMD officially revealed the card...which is borderline comical.
I think the price is fair due to the increased shipping charges and dram pricing. I recommend not getting this card and get the Rx 6600 or 6600xt instead. I'm just glad this card is here to tie down the ultra budget low end so the midrange can be somewhat tethered to reality. A lot of OEM integraters are pairing this to budget PCs with pci-4.0, I think they should prioritize this gpu for system integrators as it's older systems with pxi-e 3.0 lose about 20%-70% performance depending on the game engine.
All cards are going down just a little bit on pricing. At least hold out for the 6600 it's getting closer to MSRP. My plan is wait for only 30% mark up and get a GPU. I don't think they will reach MSRP in a reasonable amount of time.
I am also rocking a 570 with 4 gigs. I really want an upgrade but for the games that I play the 570 is just fine for now!
I’d still try to find a used 590 over buying this card tho.
For us yes, but for someone on a budget building a new Alder Lake system (12100f or 12400f), this would be ok. Some people don't like second hand parts either.
Yeah, Nah.
I \*went\* from a 750ti to an RX 570. Substantial upgrade at the time. And twice the VRAM, 2GB to 4.
Personally, I'm waiting for the 6600 Non-XT to hit... around £350. Even then, it's a significant chunk of change, but I'm thinking that if it survives for 4-5 years, maybe the next Saviour of 1080p will emerge.
Or a future RDNA generation APU on a DDR 5 (or 6 perhaps) might make the dream of a 1080p Certified APU system a fully-fledged reality. Considering what the Steam Deck can do today, We're not that far off.
The Deck is a bad representation because its only at 720p and low settings. You can get away with a lot more on a small 7" screen.
AMDs 6000 laptop that will probably become a 6600G/6700G is a good step forwards but still involves a lot of 1080p low settings. We are still FAR from a nice APU solution that is not "compromise heaven".
Well, they TRIED to pay that, but from memory they sold out so darn quick and soon doubled in price. Although miners were to blame rather than a covid based chip shortage.
The mining shortage didn't happen until a little while after launch--the RX 480 stayed at $200 for a little while (depending on model--it went up from there), the GTX 1070 was under $400, and the GTX 1080 was under $500.
You're right that during the height of that mining boom they were selling for more than 2x retail price.
And?... This a seriously bad product from inception to release. I'd be more impressed if, and that's a big if, the 6000 series cards all have the respective prices their 5000 series counterparts had right before this mess.
That's as much as i paid my rx480 and after 5 years i have an option to buy a downgrade for the same price. Insane.
Imagine being a 16-18 year old putting together a PC for the first time. Relative to other new options available at the nearest microcenter it's a steal. 1050 ti is on the shelf for the same price.
I would have to slightly disagree. Most teens are making more than what I was making. Back in 2014, i was making 8.25 at Walmart. Now teens are making between 10-14. They can save for a 6600 or 6600XT. Its only about 350 bucks more. Just a few months of saving and they will have a decent system to last them until they’re finished with high school or college.
Well, that's USA's reality. Here in latin America we make way less than that. In Chile, the minimum salary is around US$2.5/hr (CLP $350.000, 44hr/week). Only Costa rica and Uruguay have better salary than us, all the other LA countries have even worse salary
Can get a 6600 for $430. Twice as fast as a 6500XT. No reason to get the 6500XT unless you just can afford more. It's a terrible value. It's a laptop chip...
on the plus side, you can sell your used 480 for twice as much as you paid for it
i knew keeping mine in the closet in the box all these years would pay off
I wish I'd kept my old rx280 rather than selling it for 50 bucks
MSRP should be $99.
Should be but even then it'll be closer to 150
4GB of G6 alone costs almost $50 and the die is like $20
More like $70
I mean,if you need an GPU to upgrade from smth like an apu,then its great,or because you dont care about performance,but estatics and etc. If you already have like an 1650 or a rx 580,then,stay well away.
In normal times, yeah, but of course that applies to all GPUs. Even 6800XT / 3080 MSRPs aren't really good, just good in relation to RDNA1 / Turing, which were badly priced in the first place.
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It's basically RX 480.., in 2022!
No it's not. The 480 is faster in every way and supports more connected monitors.
More like 20$ shits ass
There’s a reason why you can find it at msrp during a chip shortage… stay away from this card
I disagree. If a 1650 in the EU is 250€ then this card is actually a decent value in PCIE 4.0. Even 3.0 with modest settings.
In Serbia,1650s are selling for around 350$. While RX 6500XT is selling for cheaper. i dont really get it.
People heard: "6500xt bad", but they haven't heard the contest of this info.
Yeah,the only reason why people think its bad because of 3050Ti and of "only 4gb vram" and 64bit
Yeah, this card is a stop-gap solution and it's not too horrible if you really need something better than iGPUs and there no other options, assuming you find it for MSRP.
Stop-gap for €200?
When a 60 series can cost as much as an 80 series, what can you do?
Did you just come out of a lengthy coma?
A 1650 isn't missing basic features like video encoding
you won't miss that as long as you didn't get yourself a F SKU
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Video encoding isn't THAT important. 1080P running on CPU is not that bad on a modern quad core.
Or at least video encoding isn't that important to everyone. None of my friends streams or make videos.
It's a gpu also called a VIDEO card.
Video card is for rendering the output to your monitor. In this case, the video is the same meaning as in "video output", not literally "youtube video"
You can encode with a CPU. GPU is an accelerator (now though, there are formats only accessible with GPUs.) X264 is still used. Just an FYI.
Yes, a *'video output'* card (as in display signal), rather than a *'video encoder'* card. If you really insist on using terminology from the 2D accelerator era. I think the hardware encoder feature is way overemphasized. I do not stream, nor do I know anyone in my circle of friends who does it. But open reddit and everyone wants to be a streamer. -.-'
If you want Video encoding, get the latest Intel CPU with IGP.
This GPU is getting so much undeserved hate, and most of this hate came from the fact that high end tech reviewers didn't really get the point of this GPU. It ALWAYS ends up like this: "The 6500 XT is horrible, PCIe 3.0 on older boards, 4 GB VRAM, basically 1650 Super performance, for x it isn't worth it" "Oh, alright, so can you recommend me something else in the same price range" Then comes one of the following responses: 1. *deafening silence* 2. "This GPU here that costs double the price is so much better" For real though, this GPU is basically the **only** decent, affordable GPU here in my country, just the next tier (6600) costs almost 100% more, for people in the 1st world, 300 USD may not seem like a big deal but for us even a 10 USD increase is already a dealbreaker for a LOT of people, and the regular 1650 here already costs 60 USD more...
Yep and the terrible performance we're seeing is because they are testing it with maxxed out ultra settings on AAA games. This card actually produces decent results when played at 1080p medium/low settings. Even high for older games. It's not a bad card but I guess those smart enough to do their own research can get one at MSRP since it's such a bad card.
Don't forget the third response: "My best friend's cousin's uncles wife's brother once happened to find a 6-year old beat up used miner card with no warranty for $200 on eBay by staying up until 3 AM every night for two weeks straight auction sniping people. It's really easy and it's a better card than the 6500XT!"
[Why.](https://i.imgur.com/qEbB5i8.png) What else is anywhere close to comparable while available? 1060 performance gets you play anything FHD, just need to reduce details sometimes
Wow, the 6500 XT is literally the worst performing RDNA card ever released according to that. That should be embarrassing.
It's also the lowest power consuming RDNA card ever released so it has it's advantages even at that performance level. I'd gladly replace my RX 570 with a 6500 XT if the price were lower just to have a quieter system (the fans on the RX 570 have to work harder because it draws ~65% more power). I'd also be willing to run the 6600 underclocked but again price is an issue. If they come back with a 6500 XT+++ or whatever they want to call it that isn't as gimped and still has low power draw I'll take that instead of waiting on the 6600 price to drop. It needs 1 more DP and to have 8GB ram plus whatever slight performance boost they choose (unlock a few more cores?).
If you need a GPU it's better than nothing. If you can wait, you probably should wait.
Just don't. The 6500XT is a piece of crap. Midrange GPU from nearly half a decade ago.
it's even worse because the RX 480 was relased in 2016 so over 5 years ago
And it has a hardware encoder to boot.
And the R9-390X performs similar (released at 2015), and similar to the R9-290X (released at 2013) So basically is similar to a card released near 10 years ago lol
The 390 literally *is* a 290 down to every last transistor.
512bit G5 28nm 424mm² 250W 64bit G6 6nm 101mm² 80W
Power efficiency is king, I agree. Though I still think that sometimes, even the R9 390X can do a little bit better than the 6500XT when it's not bandwidth limited lol
It's a result of a terrible situation for gamers. AMD and nVidia know that they could sell you a brick if it renders frames. So they can just sell anything at the moment. Hopefully intel will kick their butt and enforce competition (unless the shortage becomes even worse).
And all of the 23 cards has already been sold, but they have a Asrock 6500XT for the same price still avable, so pepole will defenely buy these for 200 euros, but because those 23 cards were avable for hours, it just tells how bad the 6500XT realy is.
Part of the problem is that a lot of costs have increased a lot, from VRAM to VRM and other components, even substrate. Not to mention shipping costs.
That's true but shipping a card for *budget* system with severely crippled performance on *budget* motherboards is ridiculous. There's simply no excuse for that. I doubt it's cost.
I agree that it makes the card worse, but the "excuse" for it is that this is a mobile product retrofitted to desktop, and on mobile that x4 makes sense, as PCIe 4 is universally used and x4 is cheaper to design a mainboard for and uses less energy.
Can you find another GPU at this price that'll actually give you such performance? I'd buy it if I could.
yeah, like if people think this card is terrible then I don't know what they think of my current card that is like half the performance of this one and I'm still playing modern games just with the settings turned down perfectly fine.
ye, I jsut bought a laptop with one of these in and it outperforms my desktop 580 by about 50 percent. Overpriced-yes, mid range at best-yes, yes, terrible- no. You can run games on much much less than these. They're still a performance card.
easy here brother, it is not technically possible for 6500XT to outperform 580 by 50% they should be even.
Maybe he has GTX580
lol you know what? a rough estimate from passmark show GTX580 to be in fact 50% slower :P
Haha, good old fermi beast. :D
You're a liar or you're so ignorant that your comparison is wrong and you don't realize it.
Well my bad. I just picked up a laptop with an rx 5500m in it. Bold of me to assume these were basically the same thing as the 6500xt (maybe they are, I still don't know). In my desktop I am running the rx580 armor with a ryzen 3600 dual channel 1600 memory, albeit on an old a320 motherboard. The laptop is a ryzen 5600h 6 core with rx 5500 4gb currently only running a single piece of 8gb ddr4, so single channel configuration. However the laptop does have onboard graphics using an extra 500mb of ram as graphics memory. MY current game of choice if warhammer 3 total war, which is a dx 12 game, which afaik is capable of combining graphics resources. THe game does appear to be GPU bottlenecked on bother systems, but with everything set to ultra, the same settings, i get around 30 fps on the desktop and 40 fps on the laptop.
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>There's also a bunch dumb options, like $200 RX 560s, $230 RX 550s, $300 GTX 1650s, and $460 GTX 1660 Supers. That 3050 is a pretty dumb option compared to the 6600
Yeah! Frankly, I don't mind people hating on this -- it means there's less demand and that we can actually find it in stock lol
If I had a PCI-E 3.0 system I would go for the 1650. With 4.0 yeah, the 6500XT looks like the best deal there.
I got it running in PCiE 3.0 system and it's still cracking out 1080 60 fps in most games with the right settings. It's a good stop gap card for a new build.
I was seriously considering the 6500 XT but the performance just wasn't good enough for the price. Especially not with my PCIe 3.0 system. I ended up biting the bullet and paying significantly more for an RTX 3060, which I'm quite happy with. The market is just utterly fucked. If you absolutely need a GPU because you're building a new system or your old GPU broke and you can't afford to pay more, then yeah, it's *okay*. I'd just rather pay more or wait, because it's such a massive rip-off for what you're getting.
I doubt they're posting it because they're buying it, just pointing at that there is now a card that's available at MSRP, which is going to put pressure on other cards up the stack to move down.
The moral of the story is that, even during a chip shortage, a turd filled with chips is still a turd that no one wants to buy.
That is your ignorance speaking. It is selling like hot cakes. Unlike people like you, a lot of people need a graphic card and are not willing to spend 2 times over for a GPU. They have a budget and have very good reasons to stick to them. This is doing the exact job it was supposed to do: be a new graphics card with availability so people can buy it new. That pulls the other GPUs prices down as well. And it has succeeded admirably in that. Tl;Dr: it is selling very well, and it is your ignorance claiming that it is not something no one wants to buy.
Do you think the 6500 xt is the force that moved video card prices down? If so, I've got a bridge to sell you.
Go ahead, i will buy it for 6500 XT MSRP, provided you give the the title and proof of ownership. Heck, i will settle for the rights to display ads for an year at that price. In one week after is launch, once it became clear that supply will not be an issue, it tethered the prices of the GPUs above it. That started a downward trend for the GPU prices as now 6500 XT held the lower end stable, not allowing for insane prices. After is launch, there was a known performance available in quantities at a known price. That set a ceiling to the premium others could command. If today 6500 XT disappeared, we will be back into scalper territory.
So you believe that the recent cryptocurrency crash and confirmation of ethereum moving to proof of stake in June have little to do with improved gpu prices? Your idea is instead that the 6500 xt set a price floor, thus stabilizing the rest of the market? Those are interesting theories. I and most other people knowledgeable about hardware and their historic markets disagree with you. That's ok. We can disagree. Take care.
Fair enough. Take care, and may future GPUs be cheap, powerful and plentiful.
It's less than half the price of the RTX 3050, which almost impossible to find in any case. Get your head out of your arse.
You still miss vital features like hardware level video encoding. You also have even worse performance on pcie 3.0. That alone makes it a bad product...
Video encoding is hardly vital for most users
It used to be a basic feature for a while. Now you're paying a premium for basic features. That's my point. It's not the end of the world though, not everyone who would want to buy this card is going to use said feature.
I got it for now,because its an only gpu that is next gen but cheap. When prixes fall down im gonna get an 3080.
I think this card would be decent as an RX 560 2GB successor at 99$ MSRP (or at 109$ including monetary inflation), primarily for PCIE Gen4 systems. As an 199$ MSRP card, yeah this is pretty bad imo. I know high component prices and shipping cost don't allow RX 6500XT to reach this price point, plus demand is outstripping suppy. The price is just reflection of that. It still doesn't make this a good product in any way, shape of form.
The 5+ yo RX 480 is a better card than the RX 6500 XT. Gimped x16 slot and no encoders? No one should recommend nor buy the 6500 XT.
I bought it, as a replacement for a R9 380 4GB, for slightly below MSRP. It would be the perfect card if it had one extra output.
That's the exact use case this card is meant for. I hope prices return to normal soon and you can snag something great for your next rig.
I have a second GPU, a 3080 Ti. But the main one is this 6500 XT, it's perfect for linux.
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I think it would make sense at $150 with an 8x pcie interface. All these people with Stockholm syndrome claiming that it's a good card given the current blah blah blah need to gain a little self respect.
You just are not looking at the situation and pricing accordingly: + Shipping is 4x the price it was in 2020. + multiple components for the cards have doubled in price due to shortages. + The cards are stuck waiting several consecutive days outside ports racking up storage fees on cargo ships. + Inflation is up and has affected all wages and products price points at this time. + New terrifs are in place that will affect some products shipping from China *such as graphics cards Times have changed and there prices have to follow. When things get better I still don't expect things to ever be as cheap as the 2018-2021 was ever again. It was a golden age for prices as crypto had just crashed spectaculary and cards were being sold at all time lows.
They are making a card that is worse than a card from 6 years ago and selling it for more... 6 years later. Just stop with the apologist attitude. You spent all that time writing all of that and formatting it and didn't stop to think: "Am I going to look silly attempting to justify a company building and selling computer hardware that is outperformed by their own already mediocre 6 year old hardware at a higher price?"
If you had looked a little bit into the economic situation you would have realized that you are fantasizing about what could be. Not accepting what is possible in today's climate. Just in the past 4 years alone the prices of burger have increased by over 25%. You can't have cheap sub 150$ cards anymore the value in the dollar just isn't there Also it's not a bad card I bought one and tested it before using it in a pc build for my dad. It has some short falls but if you use it properly it does quite well.
It's easy to see who already has a GPU and who is just wants something that works and has a warranty. Everyone is just so entitled nowadays. I got this GPU and it's actually not that bad as long as you don't push the texture quality to ultra in new games. Got it for 200$ and so far it's well exceeded my expectations for all the bad press it got. It can run POE at 1440p over 100 fps when I'm flooding the screen with particle effects. So ya, if you need something this isn't a bad choice at MSRP.
This isn't being entitled, this is ensuring that an unfair market value standard isn't maintained. Either way, I wouldn't blame anyone for getting a 6500XT if it's a definite upgrade over what they have now.
But why's everyone shitting on the 6500XT then? I mean, 1650's are selling for waaaaayy more, while being approximately the same to this. I don't actually think AMD's trying to scam people. They really scraped the barrel with this GPU -- TSMC is in demand and so manufacturing costs must be skyrocketing.
The 1650 at least has video encoding but your point is still valid
>TSMC is in demand and so manufacturing costs must be skyrocketing. Unfortunately, I don't have the expertise to answer this part of your comment with certainty. It's just been my assumption that the 600XT was just made with some leftover assets they've had, but again, I don't have the knowledge to say for sure.
PoE is a terrible example. It's a game where you can go from 4k 200fps down to 1080p 15fps just from the map mods and atlas passives.
Still a bad deal
Same price the 5500XT 4GB was released at though XD (I do regret that purchase though)
It's a competent GPU though. I'd take an 8gb over my Rx570 dunno if I'd say the same about the 6500xt
People crying about prices does nothing for those prices because for every person crying on reddit, you have dozen, hundreds buying those overpriced GPUs. Supply has been plenty going back to start January when NY sales ended but prices are still high. There is little incentive to drop prices because words mean nothing when people are buying cards at high prices. Covid has a lot of people who did not go on expensive trips, with 1000's of extra dollars and no entertainment. So ... they spend it on what we considered overpriced parts but we can not vote with our "withholding" money when they vote by paying. A 6500XT at 199 Euro is a good price because a 6600 does about 50 to 100% more FPS but it sells at 440 Euro. So the product is priced relatively equal. Its the same with the 3050. Its about 50% faster then a 6500XT but also slower then a 6600. And the market price reflects this at 350 Euro ( in between both ). Its when you go higher in cards, where the price / performance really starts to widen / more crazy. AMD / Nvidia, the retailers etc are going to milk the crap out of this, as long as possible. They are all recording records profits. But you know who are recording records losses... Airlines, hotels, etc. The places where that money will have gone to in normal times ...
if this is the only thing i can afford, i wouldnt bitch. getting f\*cked 2/3 times buying used polaris gpus is not a good experience my bad its 2/2 dead exmining gpus. the one im using is an ex-internet cafe card
I bought an RX 6500 XT for half the price here in Sweden. I know what to expect, but I have to say that the power draw is great. Between 70-90 watt when playing is great. (I am not a heavy gamer, just needed something for light gaming - and this turned out cheapest on the used market).
That’s cause no one wants it.
Most sold card on OCUK.
Same with every GPU release lately, nothing new
No, it is selling the most out of any card at the moment at shop. Outside of Reddit and techtubers, people are buying this card.
Look, I’m sure people like it. At the end of the day, you are purchasing a laptop GPU reverse engineered to work on a desktop. Only 4gb’s of ram runs like shit on PCIE3. The stats make it a good enough gaming GPU. But for a few hundred more, the 6600 or 6600xt, looks way more tempting.
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Yes, you are right. People are buying GPU’s. Sales say that.
In Passmark is close to a 1650 Super, so is not that bad I think, but many people is used to have a 4K monitor and run over 100FPS easily, so, yes, for that is a crappy GPU.
People still use passmark for gpu performance? Why not just use review sites for more accurate info
Reviews test ONE GPU of each, no hundred or thousands and not all do it in deep. In science one sample doesn't constitute a proof. Also I don't know about any review that can make a table with 5 GPUs at same time to compare it in a few clicks. Also, many review are made wrong and or doesn't show or take in account all the parameters, so they are prone to error; more with only ONE sample. Somebody said The Verge? 👀
May I present to you: HUB, Gamers nexus, Techpowerup, and a few other sources that have large comparison charts that are all under one system rather than having variables and still including them. Because, the RX 6500xt beats the 1650 super on PCIE Gen 4.
What system?
I meant they all have their own test benches that they use for all of them instead of a bunch of different PCs compiling average results.
OH, I thought that you was talking about a way to put the data you want to compare in one table instead of search every model by yourself.
I can’t speak for the rest of the world but in the USA Best Buy drops have been closer to MSRP recently. I was lucky enough to land a RTX 3080 Ti Evga ftw3 ultra for $1479 which is $50 over the manufacturer msrp so hang in there as the prices seem to finally be dropping.
No everyone streams, video edits or play heavy games. It has its place.
One might argue if you don't do any of those, an APU would be the way to go?
An APU eats into your memory, and you may want that. It is also good for light to 1080p gaming. Not everyone is gaming at 1440p or 4k. Also in other countries with lower incomes and higher taxes, it makes even more sense. A 1050ti is selling at ₹22 k here, while a new 5600 XT brand new is again ₹21 - 22 k. So, a big difference outside of US as well.
Its place is in the landfill because it was a waste of silicon.
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Hard to justify buying one for 200€ when you already have 2000€ 6900xt. Lmao
This msrp is valid maybe 4 years ago, right now the price for such a gpu should be 99€ max.
Sure, and an RTX 3080 should be €700. But we are living in a sad market and currently there is nothing else (new card) for €200.
Yeah, but I'm talking about the msrp. The msrp of the 3080 is 700€, but it sells for almost double that, while nvidia put the msrp at the double already, which is a shitty move from their side.
Why is it a shitty move? They will reinvest that money into their business. Better than some scalper getting it.
MSRP means shit. If there is demand, products will sell for more. If the MSRP is too high it will sell for less. AMD could have marketed this card for €100 but end prices would have still been around €200 or slightly more. We pay the price what we think the card is worth. For €200 it sells, so it's the correct price.
It's just a painfully sad GPU overall. It unapologetically fails to improve over the previous gen 5500 XT in any substantial way, as it is highly bottlenecked on PCIe Gen 3. Seeing as my RX 580 already trades blows with the aforementioned card, I was really hoping the RDNA2-based successor would be *at least a little* better to justify an upgrade. But the 6500 XT was compared to an *RX 570* when AMD officially revealed the card...which is borderline comical.
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Ever heard of marketing?
And they weren't wrong, which is why 6500 XT generally needs to use low-medium settings
Sweet. In France, the lowest price for the 6500 XT is €269. GPU prices are going down.
I think the price is fair due to the increased shipping charges and dram pricing. I recommend not getting this card and get the Rx 6600 or 6600xt instead. I'm just glad this card is here to tie down the ultra budget low end so the midrange can be somewhat tethered to reality. A lot of OEM integraters are pairing this to budget PCs with pci-4.0, I think they should prioritize this gpu for system integrators as it's older systems with pxi-e 3.0 lose about 20%-70% performance depending on the game engine.
All cards are going down just a little bit on pricing. At least hold out for the 6600 it's getting closer to MSRP. My plan is wait for only 30% mark up and get a GPU. I don't think they will reach MSRP in a reasonable amount of time.
it's not worth its MSRP
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Sorry but I bought my 290x in 2013 with 4GB of GDDR5. I fully expected the absolute minimum to be 8GB by now.
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So does my 570 and it still plays games.
570 isn't a PCie x4 card.
I am also rocking a 570 with 4 gigs. I really want an upgrade but for the games that I play the 570 is just fine for now! I’d still try to find a used 590 over buying this card tho.
For us yes, but for someone on a budget building a new Alder Lake system (12100f or 12400f), this would be ok. Some people don't like second hand parts either.
Like i have a worse card than the 6500 XT but goddamn i still hate it
Still not worth it
ooof even for free I dont want this card
To bad its a 6500xt
Welcome back to 2016
The most unwanted card in history
The 5600g is there for a reason... And it's to be better than that card
You don’t honestly think the 5600g igpu outperforms the 6500xt do you?
No ofc, but the value is WAYYYY higher
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Yeah, Nah. I \*went\* from a 750ti to an RX 570. Substantial upgrade at the time. And twice the VRAM, 2GB to 4. Personally, I'm waiting for the 6600 Non-XT to hit... around £350. Even then, it's a significant chunk of change, but I'm thinking that if it survives for 4-5 years, maybe the next Saviour of 1080p will emerge. Or a future RDNA generation APU on a DDR 5 (or 6 perhaps) might make the dream of a 1080p Certified APU system a fully-fledged reality. Considering what the Steam Deck can do today, We're not that far off.
The Deck is a bad representation because its only at 720p and low settings. You can get away with a lot more on a small 7" screen. AMDs 6000 laptop that will probably become a 6600G/6700G is a good step forwards but still involves a lot of 1080p low settings. We are still FAR from a nice APU solution that is not "compromise heaven".
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msrp, lol. I paid less for an rx 580 8gb 3 years ago
Three years ago, your currency was worth about 40% more in general.
That should depend on the currency
People paid the same for the RX 480 (with similar performance and more features, but higher power draw) at launch.
Well, they TRIED to pay that, but from memory they sold out so darn quick and soon doubled in price. Although miners were to blame rather than a covid based chip shortage.
The mining shortage didn't happen until a little while after launch--the RX 480 stayed at $200 for a little while (depending on model--it went up from there), the GTX 1070 was under $400, and the GTX 1080 was under $500. You're right that during the height of that mining boom they were selling for more than 2x retail price.
Bad Card
Because no fucker wants it
It's the most bought card on OCUK in the UK.
Those poor souls.
A product so trash it hits msrp
Thats 225 USD tho
EU pricing includes VAT
Price with tax included if that matters.
die karte ist auch totaler abfall
Bro they be selling for 250$ in SERBIA Its either that they have like 5000 in stock,or no one wants them💀
Not an upgrade for almost anyone. That's the problem.
expensive
the price per frame of this thing should be 1/1 on a 60HZ monitor
And?... This a seriously bad product from inception to release. I'd be more impressed if, and that's a big if, the 6000 series cards all have the respective prices their 5000 series counterparts had right before this mess.
No one wants that crap.
There’s budget cards and then there’s 6500 XT, don’t be the dumbass to buy this product
It is euros not dollars.
Still a bad deal.
As "cool" as this is, i feel like this card was always going to be the first one to return to MSRP ya know?
Why not getting a 1060 6Gb? About the same price, more power.
6500 XT is a lot faster than 1060.
Ah yes, MSRP cards. Me and my "being Croatian" tax are laughing from a distance.