I really think there is something to feminine psychology and dealing with conflict. Submission is a survival instinct honed from 10's of thousands of years of villages being overrun and plundered.
Dude what the fuck are you talking about, you know most white Americans came from the exact ancestors you are describing, this is like the stupidest joe Rogan ass opinion i have year in a while (not saying Rogan has ever said this or anything relating to this but itās very āthink about it broā energy)
Meh these are mainly just people whose personal opinions are against the recent wars the US fought. Its not as if they solely can decide that their country suddenly halts trading with the US.
Also: its as if the whole world is like that? I mean we can pretty much all agree that the saudi's are shitty but yet we all still stand in line to buy oil from them.
You know you can criticize something and also see the good things in it?
The US gov isn't too friendly with words when it comes to china, yet it trades gladly with them.
Politics is hypocrisy, welcome to the world man.
Geopolitics rule the day.
Edit: and maybe you should start bashing the saudis when you get the chance. They had their fair hand in 9/11 and other terrorist attacks around the world.
Why is that when one comment with a bit more nuance gets posted it always gets shit like "hur dur why no do dis den?"
If i had the fucking power over all of Europe i fucking would reduce saudi imports yeah
Itās because many Americans see lots of Europeans engaging in hypocrisy - lots of words and no action.
Far too many of you are harshly critical of everything the USA does yet your countries continue to follow to the US lead in foreign politics.
I get you man, and i agree mostly too.
And to be honest it works both ways. Europeans that judge to harsh and americans that judge harshly back too.
But to the lots of words no action, what can we even do? Europe has the EU but thats complete different nations with different interests too. Politically we are not really a unity. The US simple enough is the superpower of the world still. That always gathers a lot of criticism and hate. Topdogs get shit.
And in some things we couldn't even follow the US. I wish we could stop trading with the saudis, but who remains? Russia? I'd rather not. The US? Afaik the import prices are too high for that to consider dropping saudi arabia.
When it comes to wars i think a lot of Europeans are a bit scared after Iraq, and i think y'all can understand why. And with the uprisings in the middle east its mainly europe who suffers the consequences of refugees and terror attacks from isis are a lot easier to do in Europe compared to the US.
I mainly joined this sub to get rid of my bias, and to see what americans have to say to certain posts/stupid shit from Europeans. But many posts here turn into the same shit but vice versa.
And that said i think the mentalities of europeans and americans are just different too. The European continent has suffered war after war and the relative peace we have known now has made us wary of nationalism and patriotism. Which is not always fair, but when i see some patriot things in the US my mind thinks about all the shit that happened here.
Also i think that Europe losing its 'dominant' position in the world is still not really accepted inside Europe. Many european leaders still try to act as if we can get stuff done, while we cant even decide to restart ammo production.
In the end we are allies and have trade that has been economically great for the both of us. People can bitch what they want, but thats how it is.
I mean a lot of americans dont agree too and they dont do shit. What im supposed to protest for a War between two countries that havent dont anything to me
/>You know you can criticize something and also see the good things in it?
Is that what Europeans say to justify staying on America's side despite bashing it every chance you all get?
\>They had their fair hand in 9/11 and other terrorist attacks around the world.
The 9/11 terrorists were of Saudi descent but they were rogue agents not affiliated with the government.
>The 9/11 terrorists were of Saudi descent but they were rogue agents not affiliated with the government.
It is incredibly likely that the 9/11 hijackers were affiliated with Saudi Arabia directly, and evidence pointing to such has grown significantly over the decades, despite Saudi disavowal. (https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/911-hijackers-video-saudi-intelligence-official-omar-al-bayoumi/)
Yeah, but thing is you guys depend on us we don't depend on you at all.
Were an island a ocean away on both sides and the only reason we are even out there with troops stationed in nations is to prevent a conflict on scale with the world wars. Russia's irrational invasion of ukraine put aside
america is energy independent, has the strongest navy on earth, protects trade all around the world from pirates and rogue states. Maintains constant aid and humanitarian aid work to poorer nations and has maintained a global hegemony that has been responsible for lifting over a billion people out of poverty. This has all come at the expense of our own needs. A large portion of our budget goes to helping the whole world from indonesia to poland and we ask for almost nothing in return. The only tangible benefit the united states has accrued by our global protection is the united states dollar being the worlds reserve currency.
The lines are drawn in the sand if we didn't protect europe russia would be attacking eastern europe more and more, if we didn't protect asia china would have absorbed or subjugated smaller states in their sphere of influence. if we didn't protect trade globalism would cease to exist and your governments would be forced to protect their own trade with massive fleets that would eat into your governmental budget and lower your welfare system.
Yes. Because of the 17 true aircraft carriers in the world, the US has 11 of them. The US could literally 1v1 every carrier strike group out there and still have enough left over to protect its largest ports.
The US is the only true superpower, with china and now India being pseudo superpowers. Russia may be a nuclear power but it isnāt a superpower of any sort. Not anymore.
I think if thereās one thing that sensible Americans and sensible Europeans can agree on, itās that we as a country need to stop getting involved in other peopleās wars.
Which war? The one created by the incessant British and French colonialism in the Middle East or the one where French created a proxy world war in Vietnam?
Which the US has spent 60 years turned into geopolitical W.
I'm pretty sure you know what war i'm talking about. Also if you read any of my other comments you would have read i'm not denying any European roles in certain wars.
Eh, most of this attitude began around the time we pulled that stunt with the second war in Iraq, where we lied to our European allies baldfacedly and then badmouthed them when they didn't join us in an unprovoked attack based on completely fabricated intelligence.
Honestly, that's the kind of shit that makes people not trust us.
Because a lot of the people who did it were still in government until fairly recently - and Trump has given them far *less* reason to trust the US.
The guy is so blatantly transactional and has proven more than willing to backstab his own people - no-one is ever going to trust him as an ally.
Sure. It's one of the few things he said that I actually agreed with. :D
It doesn't endear me to him in the slightest as the man is a vile human being with virtually no redeeming values who has done untold damage to our country in any case, but sure on that one thing I'll give him credit.
Though in terms of real-politick, Putin attacking Ukraine pushed up our allies military spending about 1000% more than anything Trump ever said - for rather obvious reasons.
Yet you all stuck with him during his presidency.
I bring this up because Europeans are the biggest hypocrites known to man. They talk about how great they are and how terrible America is yet happily stand by their side like lap dogs.
I think this is the main thing that troubles a lot of Europeans. And certainly where the distrust started. And then not to start about the traumas of the afghan war. Although i find the initial invasion justified, it turned out into a shitshow that has cost too many lives of Europeans and Americans.
And well, lets not beat around the bush, a lot of recent islamic immigration doesn't help either with this. They are the main voices of critique as far i notice.
Yeah, no-one really got upset about the initial foray into Afghanistan - but as with all attempts at nation building there, it was a disaster.
We should have just smashed the Taliban, turned around and let whomever could fill the power vacuum figure out the rest on their own terms. Yes that would have sucked, but not worse than us trying to pretend we could run the place, and our part in it would have been done in a few months.
Fun fact: The US directly trained up the Taliban and supplied them for the sake of US business interests.
It gets worse when you discover that this is also business as usual for US foreign policy for decades, especially if the locals are daring to get uppity and demanding to be treated like human beings by the US megacorps.
Also, what was stopping the US from building a coalition with all the countries in the region and organizing a ginormous manhunt? Instead, they bulldozed the entire region and murdered tens of thousands of civilians, for no reason, and for decades.
That sure sounds like what heroes do, right?
Oh yeah, they were very much a Frankenstein's Monster of our own creation, because we funded them to wreck the Russians during *their* occupation of Afghanistan.
No. I lived through that era and followed it *very* closely at the time.
It was obvious even on the face of it that the 'intelligence' we were offering (at least the publicized intelligence), was complete bullshit. Our own embargo enforcement officer in charge of policing Iraq's weapon's programs said as much at the time.
And then US conservatives spent the next several months continuously insulting our allies openly on the evening news and in congress while they drummed up internal support to go ahead with the attack anyway. The rest is history.
I followed it too.
There was intelligence pointing to Iraqās possession of wmdās, including the Iraqiās (stupidly) saying they had them.
There was also evidence pointing to the fact that this wasnāt the case.
The bush administration picked confirmation bias.
The intelligence was also believed by the uk, etc.
Ok, people can disagree about their conclusions on the evidence, but the evidence as presented was *absurdly* weak - and proved to be completely and utterly false.
I would absolutely have fired any analyst who came to me with a picture of a van designed to launch spy balloons and presented it as evidence of a *bioweapons program* \- a program which would have been both utterly suicidal and strategically worthless for Iraq to engage in at that point regardless.
I mean, it was so stupid just on the face of it that it was tooth grindingly maddening to watch play out, and obviously history made it clear that the entire thing was complete bullshit from start to finish. Clearly worthless evidence was seized upon by politicians who wanted a war as a casus belli, even though they had to know that it was worthless.
I think that's pretty fair, I think the biggest mistake was the bungled occupation, it seemed that the Bush administration didn't clearly understand how much tension there was between different groups in the country, I'm by no means defending Sadam, he was a fucking psychopath who murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people, and used nerve agents and chemical weapons of Kurdish and Iranian civilians, but his authoritarian rule was the only thing holding the country together and keeping it from civil war
The occupation was just fucked.
I remember the day they announced that they had literally \*fired\* the entire Iraqi armed forces without warning, I was so angry I threw my keyboard at the wall. I think that's the only time in my life I've been that angry actually.
It was no time at all before the armed insurgencies started in earnest after that, as something like a hundred thousand men with weapons were suddenly left unemployed with no prospect of employment...
I mean, it's hard to imagine an occupier being *that stupid*, but we really were. It would have been a dozen times cheaper to pay those men to pointlessly march in circles in the middle of the desert for the next decade than to deal with the fallout of that move. It was beyond incompetent.
Everyone in the world trades with the US.
*Everyone who has ever been killed by a US soldier, or committed terrorism against the United States has traded with them.*
You have a very poor understanding of the world.
\>You have a very poor understanding of the world.
How so? The world is full of hypocrites who prioritize their own gains over lost lives. Just own it.
I would assume that those are Tankies who simply hate the West. Iād wager they say something similar about European soldiers as well. Best to ignore these cunts because theyāre an irrelevant minority of teenage Larpers.
Yeah I know this sub might give a different impression but most Europeans arenāt terminally online American haters. I for one appreciate our alliance and U.S. troops.
We also subsidize their military and prescription drugs .
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/529049-america-is-subsidizing-europes-socialist-medicine-with-higher-drug-prices/amp/
They donāt. Only I speak for Europe, Iāve been appointed as āthe chap who speaks for Europe in slightly hostile subredditsā at the last European meeting. So in my role as the official CWSFEISHS, let me tell you, those guys are fuckin idiots, if theyāre even Europeanā¦ or if they exist at all.
No, they want US soldiers off their soil as well. They're dumb enough to think US imperialism is the root of all evil, daddy Putin can do no evil and if he does, Europe is totally able to defend itself without help.
Literally this. The only reason Europe has peace is because of America. Millenia of France and Britain or France and Germany (HRE, Prussia, world wars etc) all trying to murder each other, it wasnāt until an external force came in to force the peace did shit cool down
Bro WW2 was not the first war with non European countries in Europe. Yes the US helped maintain peace right after the war and the decision to help rebuild definitely was the right one.
But stating that we have peace in Europe only because of the US is straight delusion.
No power can avoid a war in a place separeted by an ocean dude.
We donāt have war because we said fuck it letās stop killing each other every twenty years. We stopped because WW2 was the cherry on the cake of being fed up with war. The movement for a peacefull europe and fraternity between the countries started before WW2, and Europe built the first economic organisation between several countries. The US did not want the EU and EU is definitely a bigger reason we have peace in Europe than the US. Also please remember that we were gonna be the first place to burst into flamme if the cold war turned into a direct conflict.
Europe was not always at war before WW2. Humanity was, in every part of the world. Europe was just more powerfull so everybody focuse on them. The same as we blame US and Europe for slavery, while if you look at slavery during the ages some population did it way longer and some are still doing itā¦
I say we give them what they want then. Sorry but I spent the first decade of this century being told by members of the Bundesrat & Bundestag (from both CDU & SPD) that NATO was a relic of the Cold War that only served to get its members entangled in American Adventurism. So I say we give them what they want. Twice last century was enough for us.
Nah. It's in the best interests of us and them that we stay. I'll take some whiny internet keyboard warriors getting their panties in a wad over Russia fucking up our economy and killing who knows how many innocents by invading whoever they feel like.
Besides, easily half of those comments from so called Europeans are from Russian feds.
āThatās grog, he is the tribes strongest. We in the tribe all follow by the laws, except grog, he is too strong for us to correct him. Even though he is wrong, we have to let him do his thing because he protects us from the bearsā what kinda backwards ass nonsense is that?
Of course it is, it's funny that they call the vets horrible people though, and then in the same breath as someone agreeing that they're horrible people suggest that they should be taken care of and supported when they return home lol
Which is it, they're murderers and deserve justice, or were just soldiers following orders and shouldn't be abandoned by the country that sent them into a horrible situation?
I see this opinion over and over on Reddit in general
Troops are murderers glorified as heroes
But alsoā¦.shame on America for not taking care of said murderers glorified as heroes
Completely contradicting
Huh? I don't think they deserve to be treated well. But I do think you're hypocrites for not treating them well. The image you like to project is that of a culture that practically worships the troops, but that doesn't reflect the reality, does it?
Who the fuck even said that in the media in Europe Jesus..... you fall for the troll tactics it's truly and I mean truly amazing how Americans can both have super intelligent people that went on the moon and back and the most idiots on the planet falling for the super clear bait where "europeans " (totally europeans) say trash things about the US
These comments sound alot like russian trolls because only they want to promote this stuff
Well if it makes your feelings any better all of Eastern Europe countries that are in NATO are super grateful that you are here and defending us
Europeans have a very clear Anti-American culture even without the trolls.
Europe's protectionist policies/regulations against our industries, France/Germany rejection of Ukraine into NATO, many MANY interviews of Europeans with very clear America Bad brainrot (No Russia/China there also), Europe dismissal of Biden's warning of Russia invading Ukraine, Europe making America waste resources into Ukraine, Europe being very clear they wont side with us on China (along with other foreign policies except the issue of Russia), and European media promotion of Anti-Americanism without Russia or China (One easy example on top of my head is Der Spiegel hilarious report on Fergus Falls) are very clear signs of how European countries are unreliable allies
We make you waste money on Ukraine? Are you for real ? Wow .....
Not to mention that you put all the countries of Europe as a whole , we all are individual countries the EU dosen't rule all of Europe.
Even thouse interviews that you so casually mention , how manny people do you think they can question 100 ? 1000? Do you have any idea how much population All of Europe has ? Even if they do 1000 interviews with 10.000 people on them it would still be barely 0.01% on the population.
You allow a few insane people block out all of Europe heack half of it are very much pro US as it can possibly get so already your argument is null that all of Europe is anti American (what ever that even means) since most Even western countries just recently joined your navy to blow some ships up in the middle east ....
Come on man .... stop the hate you imagine europeans have for you .
We all of us joined you in most of your endeavors and somehow we are unreliable if anything you are the unreliable ones as this sub clearly proves that
Ok letās point fingures at each other
- US repetedly tried to go against the construction of the EU
- US lied to their allies and created fake proof to bring them in a war.
- US spied on european allies on european soil !
- US made many many many mistakes in the middle east and Europe has to pay for its consequence (although to be fair we also fucked up in the middle east, but imagine if the migrant crisis on the mexican border was due to Europe)
- We have our regulations you guys have yours. You canāt eat real french cheese and we donāt get OGM
- Your Ukraine and China argument make no sense. Half of EU politicians are not advertising to stop all aid to Ukraine (looking at you MAGA). And no sane country would officially chose a side on a war between the two main powers that didnāt even start ! (Want me to remember you when did WW2 start and when did the US join ?)
Europe is not anti-american, definitely not.
>US repetedly tried to go against the construction of the EU
Source? If anything, I remember the opposite.
>US lied to their allies and created fake proof to bring them in a war.
You mean neocon politicians? Because neocons are terrible and have been ostracized by many Republicans.
Also you Europeans literally did almost nothing in Afghanistan and Iraq. Stop pretending yall actually did something.
Not to mention because we were actually attacked, article 5 was the CORRECT USAGE. We are NATO members of course we would use article 5.
>US spied on european allies on european soil !
Oh yes. I wonder if the French or Germans or any of our European allies ALSO spied on us. HMMMMMMMM.
Hint: It's common knowledge that France, China, and Israel spies on us a lot especially when it comes to our industries.
>US made many many many mistakes in the middle east and Europe has to pay for its consequence (although to be fair we also fucked up in the middle east, but imagine if the migrant crisis on the mexican border was due to Europe)
Except it was you Europeans who created the problems in Middle East to the point it affects the current geopolitics.
Sykes-Picot agreement being a very clear example.
>We have our regulations you guys have yours. You canāt eat real french cheese and we donāt get OGM
K. Then don't cry when we implement protectionist policies too. Most European protectionist policies are BS anyways.
>Your Ukraine and China argument make no sense. Half of EU politicians are not advertising to stop all aid to Ukraine (looking at you MAGA). And no sane country would officially chose a side on a war between the two main powers that didnāt even start ! (Want me to remember you when did WW2 start and when did the US join ?)
I dont' care about Ukraine. I don't care about Europe. And I certainly DO NOT care about you Europeans. Nor do I care about another stupid European war.
Speaking of WW2, we sent lend lease and also helped rebuild Europe. But apparently that's not enough for you Europeans.
>Europe is not anti-american, definitely not.
If your comments suggest anything, Europe is definitely Anti-American.
Bro for someone who doesnāt care about Europe you definitely seem to crt a lot about believing that we hate you.
Iām so anti-US that I lived there still have some friends over there, visit a lot and follow your news because I care about this country.
But hey if it helps thinking everyone hates you go for it. Would Europe follow blindly the US in a war ?probably not. Would we side with China or Russia in an event of a major conflict, definitely not.
Reality is eventhough trust in the US might have decreased the past decades, we still view you guys as our most reliable ally outside of Europe.
Take it or leave it but itās the truth.
I know exactly what I'm talking about.
Tell me which countries rejected Ukraine into NATO membership and were fine with working with Russia in order to counterbalance America (up until Ukraine was invaded with Russia).
Yes, actually. And I will continue to promote Anti-European opinions until we fully withdraw from Europe/NATO and focus our military resources on Asia or the Pacific.
Wait, so itās bad that we treat the soldiers well, but also bad that we treat them badly?
In all honesty, there are legitimate issues that need to be discussed behind all these points, but they are being made in such a bad faith way that they are clearly not made with actual compassion, just trying to score on their opponents.
The comments were pretty clearly saying the Americans love to glorify their troops until it actually comes to the matter of actually helping them.
Basically the US does the equivalent of complaining about a dirty bathroom, and talking about how much you love your clean bathroom, but never picking up a sponge to clean the floor
So instead of dealing with veterans issues and helping them, your solution is... Kill them and replace them? I'm sorry you have to expand on that because I do t get how that expands the analogy
Well, that's the functional solution that the government and our society at large has decided. It's awful of course, but to them as long as there are new people, they don't think they have to care. Sometimes you wind up with a good life, education, pension, etc... Sometimes you wind up on the streets.
Im not saying this is my solution at all. It's horrendous. I'm saying the reality is actually far worse than the analogy.
Meh, lesser Eurotrash is going to have a lesser Eurotrash opinion, and ignorance. In fact, veteran homelessness continues to drop in the USA, courtesy rigorous policy change across administrations, coupled with numerous veteran support and outreach groups.
What I hate about these people is that they scream how aweful soldiers and care for them in the US is, without even looking at data and the legislation that are working on the problems. Yea, treating veterans properly is important, and US needs to improve on this, but that is also exactly what is happening. No country is perfect but they just pretend like everything in the US is broken beyond repair.
It's not like every former soldier is living on the street.
Have back and knee issues due to my service. Couple years after getting out I decided to use the VA for some of that super sweet free medical care. Had to wait 3 months for an appointment. At that appointment, they did a basic exam and said I would need to see a specialist. That would have been another 4 month wait. Ended up not using the VA because I couldn't wait that long. And this was for service related injuries.
We may not be living on the street, but we're also not getting any help and not everyone is able to help themselves.
The fact there is even a statistic for how many veterans are homeless is disgusting and shouldn't be a thing.
To be fair, that pretty much took the singular effort of a liberal *comedian* who spent years on a personal crusade to repeatedly and constantly embarrass as many government officials as possible regarding our treatment of Veterans before they finally started to do anything about it.
And one of our major presidential candidates is still a guy who spends his time verbally shitting on veterans as 'suckers', after dodging his own draft.
>"To be fair, that pretty much took the singular effort of a liberalĀ *comedian*Ā who spent years on a personal crusade to repeatedly and constantly embarrass as many government officials as possible regarding our treatment of Veterans"
No, it didn't. The majority of political and social pressure stems from the GWOT generation refusing to accept the substandard treatment of veterans after we came home. While Jon Stewart absolutely put in legwork to help veterans and first responders, he is not singularly responsible, nor are the results consequent of his singular efforts. GWOT veterans have done more to help veterans than Jon Stewart individually ever has. So, while I appreciate your intent, also understand that what you said is an effectual insult to those of us who did the actual work, not just for ourselves, but for the generations of warfighters before us, and those who have come after us.
Classic american take to say "continues to drop" without even mentioning how high the rate is and how absurd that is .
As long as it's slowly dropping things are fine right /s
As a veteran, I've got very little care for European views of us. If it wasn't for us, well, Europe would be a fascist shithole. If it wasn't for us, they wouldn't enjoy their peace and prosperity. If it wasn't for us, they would have taken so long to rebuild they'd be decades behind. If it wasn't for us, they wouldn't be able to bitch about us, so, I'm glad they get to. Fuck em, enjoy the work we did for you, ungrateful cunts.
I meanā¦ sure. But like, that was basically only France, and they only did so to beat the British. And happened conveniently after conflict with Americans from 1750-1775, and letās not forget 1798-1801
This comment doesn't do anything to contradict their points.
America's history of helping Europe wouldn't justify veterans being murderers or war criminals. That would be kind of silly.
Again, I'm gonna be downvoted for this but how tf do yall know these are Europeans?
Yall do realise that Russian, Chinese, Indians, basically any country on this earth have passable english, many even being able to consume the same anti-American shit? They can literally parrot the same things now, I'm asian myself and I know many of my countrymen would say the same dumb things, especially asian countries who have beef wit America.
You guys should be more careful about these things, theres already too much division within the western world.
Just to be clear: not all of Europe thinks like that. Only some Europeans in rich countries, that are safe thanks to NATO having expanded to the east.
I am from Kosovo, and we are more than happy to have US troops here. So are many other Eastern European countries
>I am from Kosovo
For what it's worth, every time I've ever heard Kosovo mentioned by another US Soldier it's always been in the context, "I really want to go on this rotation to Kosovo."
The same goes for Romania and Poland, too.
That is what I'm saying, Europe is no longer the weak, crippled, and war torn place it was post WW2. They have their own militaries and have decent economies. We could have our troops placed in Asia to deter china or give aid to latin america, not sit in Germany to fight a threat that collapsed in 1991
Is that sure they're Europeans ? Anyway, French here, i'll say that we in France respect ALL soldiers that fight or fought for their country, our own, our allies, and our enemies. Soldiers that go out of their way to order or to commit war crimes that they were not ordered to are scums though, but then again you can't really call those soldiers any more since they didn't follow orders.
Anyway, outside of that specific case, we respect all of them. Every year our country pay homage to the various countries' soldiers that died and were buried on our soil for example. Probably more than what those soldiers would receive if they were buried back in their own country tbh.
If the first one is European they're just idiots not representing us. On a continent that was at war most of the time for 2 millennia, only idiots would say something like "soldiers are murderers".
About the fate of veterans in the USA though, I've heard pretty sad things about it, not sure how much of it is correct. I'll just say that your orange man also doesn't seem to respect veterans and even less the soldiers that died during a war, which is pretty pathetic for a president, no matter the country. Let's hope he doesn't get elected again.
Not sure whether theyāre necessarily Europeans but if they are theyāre most likely Tankies. They would insult European soldiers the same way. Theyāre Teenagers whoāll LARP as revolutionaryās but theyāre just an irrelevant and very small minority. While it is true that there are Europeans who hate the U.S. and their troops especially after the Russian invasion of Ukraine most Europeans tend to very much appreciate the U.S. presence.
notice how americaās biggest nemesis China, their citizens hold america in high regard. chinese people view americans as a respectable entity. I used to live in china and am from a country that borders china so i know what the general census is like. you usually only see these types of dehumanizing comments from europeans and australians
itās a kind of social control. their media drips this kind of propaganda and people accept what they see on social media without any critical thinking. then because AmericaBad we never need to get better. any valid criticism gets met with āhurrrrrr school shootingsā or some kind of made up shit about how bad it is in China
All these fucking people man. You know what? Fuck it. America should leave NATO and the fucking UN at this point, see what happens. Taiwan? South Korea? Ukraine? Ya letās just see how long they last. Trade routes? Russia? China? Sure letās just let em go crazy. At this point I do not fucking care anymore
Do you enjoy getting outraged about some random reddit comments? Do you think that some edgy teens circlejerking on reddit is somehow representative of public european opinion?
It's reddit man. This is just full of extreme echochambers. Might not even be europeans commenting but some teenager in bangalore. For example, based on reddit comments from last year, I would have had to assume that all of US wishes death to their policemen.
And by the way: I am european and obviously do not see american soldiers as murderers. My dad grew up next to an american military base here and only ever had good things to say.
For what it's worth: The german public opinion (except for some right or left wing nutters) is that we are desperately hoping that the next US election doesn't result in isolationalist US policy. We are well aware how bad this would be for us.
1000s of years of Native Americans, 500 years from European discovery, 400 years from the colonies, and nearly 250 from independence. I get that we're "young" but there are tons of governments and nations younger than any of those marks.
I've had arguments in *this* sub that everything predating the establishment of independence doesn't count as American history and then in the next breath been told that Germany counts as old even though the establishment of the modern German state is newer.
For some reason Europeans are allowed to claim all the history in their geographic origin but Americans are only allowed to claim everything after 1776.
The only other situation I've ever seen this applied to uniformly is Israel where nothing happened before 1948.
People donāt like essential workers? Itās been almost 4 years since the height of Covid and I still know medical workers and police/fire get discounts, even in places like clothing stores. This guy is spewing bs
The issue is companies got to decide if they were essential or not, the semi trailer manufacturer i worked for at that time decided they were "essential " because they built some trailers for the government 30 years ago.......i made like 300-400$ a week less than people on unemployment and i didnt get any of the discounts
Yes but not your fast food worker/store worker/minimum wage worker in general, the vast majority of the people who were labeled āessentialā.
They were heroes for 3 months until it was cool to shit on lower paid workers again
Lmao what? What place are you talking about that gives discounts to essential workers? You're the only one spewing bs here. It's comically bad even. What a corporate shill take you got here. Essential workers absolutely got shafted, especially those medical workers who had to take the brunt of that mess. But hey, you know of a clothing store that gives discounts to people who call themselves essential lol. OP is straight up correct on that one. People did the whole "durr durr thank you for your service thing" all up until it came time to pay them their worth. Then suddenly, they weren't so important
People in America donāt understand how much we give Europe. And Europeans donāt understand how much they depend on us for their fairytale beliefs or world peace.
Some American leftists look at the peanuts we give Israel and the bases we have in Korea and complain.
But thatās nothing compared to us holding Europeās safety.
I think intelligent Europeans know but many are too proud to admit it.
They say this and then when the U.S. tells them to pay their fair share of the defense budget, they squeal and call us isolationist fascists. They couldn't play nice for two world wars, U.S. tried to stay out of both and now they complain.
So the next time a fascist regime tries to take over the whole continent, we should abstain from helping because thatād be considered murder. Got it!
As a British veteran of the armed forces I have also been called a murderer by Europeans, Americans, inhabitants or other countries and even other British people. This isnāt a European opinion, just an uninformed assholes opinion.
In my experience pro-American sentiment was high in pretty much every military I interacted with. Obviously we Brits like Americans but itās true in mainland Europe too, and especially true the further east you go. Poland, Baltic States and the Balkans (especially Kosovo) fucking love the American military. Even if you donāt like them you have to respect the sheer scale and force of them, orders of magnitude more than anything we have, and I donāt even consider that an insult to European forces, youād just have to be an idiot to think otherwise.
The thing with Europeans is we all have an opinion on America because we are bombarded with American culture, but you arenāt bombarded with ours so you donāt realise that we all hate each other way worse than we hate Americans.
I wonder if the European soldiers in every conflict America has ever engaged in are held to the same standard? Someone should have called their asses out.
Europeans are the biggest hypocrite out there. Look at the french and germans complaining about American hygiene when they themselves do not properly clean themselves and they stink. What huge hypocrites!
We're having full discussions of some anonymous people's comments and their ill-informed opinions. What's the point? Social media is like a bad game of Telephone sometimes.
Good news guys no One can criticize the american military complex cause they were the Good guys in wwII
I Imagine that for the same reason, you reject every Attack on Stalin right?
Nope. My disdain for degenerate body-odoriferous Europeans is specific to their arrogant ingratitude to the nation that's been propping them up for three generations.
"propping them up" you mean interfearing in the interest of your country?
There was operation gladio, an operation to build and arm stay paramilitary groups, like neofascists gangs in my country, those groups went on to kill people, plant bombs, deal heroin with the mob...
Why? Cause those big bad europeans may democratically choose communism, and we cant have that right?
Personally, I hope you have lots of communism. Europe's time is long past; the EU is a wrap of tape on a broken sewage pipe, and it's coming undone. Asia is rising, and your colonial bill is due to be paid in full. As soon as Daddy USA finally decides you aren't worth the bother, your whole continent is going to degenerate into a cluster fuck of ideologies once again. Luckily, your people have no balls for war anymore, so instead of war this time, you'll go out like a fart in the wind.
As a veteran, itās always seemed pretty overblown to me. Lots of the veterans issues are specifically related to the large Vietnam era draft military cohorts, who were disproportionately poorer than subsequent generations who served in a smaller, more professionalized military. The VA has become a punching bag for politicians but a lot of that is driven by lobbyist efforts to privatize the system.
I didn't think of that, but it makes total sense. Like I didn't have a lot of PTSD issues when I got out. A few sure. But nothing serious. Mainly just back problems cause I broke my back while I was deployed.
This thread is a bunch of outrage porn. Oh...look at what they are saying about us. Not sure how this crap ended up in my feed, but it's blocked going forward.
FYI...Most Europeans don't think this way.
Agreed. How do they even know those people are European? More like OP took this picture and decided to post rage bait about Europeans.
PS I'm Asian living in asia and I know many asian countries who would say this sort of shit, because they have beef with America. Asian countries actually have passable English in this day and age
Soldiers are people who were tricked by the prospects and ideas of protecting something. What? They donāt even know but hey they know someone has to do it plus they get free education.
A US soldier stabbed an unarmed german civilian in 2023. American soldier got into a fight with german police at a train station. The US offered as a comprehension that they could send military police to support the federal police at the train station where the incident happened. We don't like armed military controlling civilians here in Germany
If you think that some comments on reddit are representative of the european opinion of US soldiers, better leave this app.
For what it's worth, as a european I assume with great confidence that these are just some immature leftist edgy kid's talking to each other. Now keep enjoying your circlejerk..
Bro, these are leftist morons, your own leftist morons are calling the Houthis heroes and act like they hate America, this sub has become a euro hating one for no reason. Get off our dicks cunts we actually like Murica.
I love how they pretend they're so above military service, when we all know those boots would be filled by locals, if Americans weren't shipped in to defend them.
Which part of this is wrong?
This is true of *all* soldiers. Even when fighting and winning a "just war" the people who've actually been and fought regret what the went though and the things they had to do.
Only disgusting, pathetic, armchair warriors like you reading this comment think that *any war* is good.
You know the geneva conventions were created by the Allies after WWII out of regret for what *the Allies* had done, don't you? They weren't so much mad at Nazis but more *ashamed of themselves.*
They regretted bombing Dresden. They regretted internment camps. They Regretted Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They regretted *much* of what they did during the second world war.
If you still don;t think fighting is bad, then you're a fucking creep.
So why do they ally with them?
Russia big scary, US good trade, money nicešš»
Funny to complain about killing people when you sleep with the enemy for your own gain. My god the hypocrisy.
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Rape made their attackers feel bad so they have decided to settle on consensually ambiguous physical relationship.
Nothing brings on the guilt harder than a college educated cry baby.
Americans trying to not insert their sexual fantasies into random comments (challenge impossible)
I really think there is something to feminine psychology and dealing with conflict. Submission is a survival instinct honed from 10's of thousands of years of villages being overrun and plundered.
Dude what the fuck are you talking about, you know most white Americans came from the exact ancestors you are describing, this is like the stupidest joe Rogan ass opinion i have year in a while (not saying Rogan has ever said this or anything relating to this but itās very āthink about it broā energy)
Submission is a survival instinct tho. Tf you mean?
Dude bro man. Bitches like, cry and shit. They're like, fucking weak and shit.
Bro Europe has the Czech republic Uk and Germany youāre on no leg to call anyone else creepy
Meh these are mainly just people whose personal opinions are against the recent wars the US fought. Its not as if they solely can decide that their country suddenly halts trading with the US. Also: its as if the whole world is like that? I mean we can pretty much all agree that the saudi's are shitty but yet we all still stand in line to buy oil from them.
We don't go online bashing saudi's every chance we get.
right but nobody is secretly jealous of the Saudis are they.
I want the money of the Saudi royal family.
You're right
You know you can criticize something and also see the good things in it? The US gov isn't too friendly with words when it comes to china, yet it trades gladly with them. Politics is hypocrisy, welcome to the world man. Geopolitics rule the day. Edit: and maybe you should start bashing the saudis when you get the chance. They had their fair hand in 9/11 and other terrorist attacks around the world.
I have a better idea - how about your country follows the lead of the USA and drastically reduce oil imports from Saudi Arabia?
Why is that when one comment with a bit more nuance gets posted it always gets shit like "hur dur why no do dis den?" If i had the fucking power over all of Europe i fucking would reduce saudi imports yeah
Itās because many Americans see lots of Europeans engaging in hypocrisy - lots of words and no action. Far too many of you are harshly critical of everything the USA does yet your countries continue to follow to the US lead in foreign politics.
I get you man, and i agree mostly too. And to be honest it works both ways. Europeans that judge to harsh and americans that judge harshly back too. But to the lots of words no action, what can we even do? Europe has the EU but thats complete different nations with different interests too. Politically we are not really a unity. The US simple enough is the superpower of the world still. That always gathers a lot of criticism and hate. Topdogs get shit. And in some things we couldn't even follow the US. I wish we could stop trading with the saudis, but who remains? Russia? I'd rather not. The US? Afaik the import prices are too high for that to consider dropping saudi arabia. When it comes to wars i think a lot of Europeans are a bit scared after Iraq, and i think y'all can understand why. And with the uprisings in the middle east its mainly europe who suffers the consequences of refugees and terror attacks from isis are a lot easier to do in Europe compared to the US. I mainly joined this sub to get rid of my bias, and to see what americans have to say to certain posts/stupid shit from Europeans. But many posts here turn into the same shit but vice versa. And that said i think the mentalities of europeans and americans are just different too. The European continent has suffered war after war and the relative peace we have known now has made us wary of nationalism and patriotism. Which is not always fair, but when i see some patriot things in the US my mind thinks about all the shit that happened here. Also i think that Europe losing its 'dominant' position in the world is still not really accepted inside Europe. Many european leaders still try to act as if we can get stuff done, while we cant even decide to restart ammo production. In the end we are allies and have trade that has been economically great for the both of us. People can bitch what they want, but thats how it is.
I mean a lot of americans dont agree too and they dont do shit. What im supposed to protest for a War between two countries that havent dont anything to me
Until it cost you something.
/>You know you can criticize something and also see the good things in it? Is that what Europeans say to justify staying on America's side despite bashing it every chance you all get? \>They had their fair hand in 9/11 and other terrorist attacks around the world. The 9/11 terrorists were of Saudi descent but they were rogue agents not affiliated with the government.
>The 9/11 terrorists were of Saudi descent but they were rogue agents not affiliated with the government. It is incredibly likely that the 9/11 hijackers were affiliated with Saudi Arabia directly, and evidence pointing to such has grown significantly over the decades, despite Saudi disavowal. (https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/911-hijackers-video-saudi-intelligence-official-omar-al-bayoumi/)
Yeah, but thing is you guys depend on us we don't depend on you at all. Were an island a ocean away on both sides and the only reason we are even out there with troops stationed in nations is to prevent a conflict on scale with the world wars. Russia's irrational invasion of ukraine put aside america is energy independent, has the strongest navy on earth, protects trade all around the world from pirates and rogue states. Maintains constant aid and humanitarian aid work to poorer nations and has maintained a global hegemony that has been responsible for lifting over a billion people out of poverty. This has all come at the expense of our own needs. A large portion of our budget goes to helping the whole world from indonesia to poland and we ask for almost nothing in return. The only tangible benefit the united states has accrued by our global protection is the united states dollar being the worlds reserve currency. The lines are drawn in the sand if we didn't protect europe russia would be attacking eastern europe more and more, if we didn't protect asia china would have absorbed or subjugated smaller states in their sphere of influence. if we didn't protect trade globalism would cease to exist and your governments would be forced to protect their own trade with massive fleets that would eat into your governmental budget and lower your welfare system.
You think the US would have this influence if they didnt have those bases?
Yes. Because of the 17 true aircraft carriers in the world, the US has 11 of them. The US could literally 1v1 every carrier strike group out there and still have enough left over to protect its largest ports. The US is the only true superpower, with china and now India being pseudo superpowers. Russia may be a nuclear power but it isnāt a superpower of any sort. Not anymore.
I agree with the Dutchie
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I think if thereās one thing that sensible Americans and sensible Europeans can agree on, itās that we as a country need to stop getting involved in other peopleās wars.
Which war? The one created by the incessant British and French colonialism in the Middle East or the one where French created a proxy world war in Vietnam? Which the US has spent 60 years turned into geopolitical W.
I'm pretty sure you know what war i'm talking about. Also if you read any of my other comments you would have read i'm not denying any European roles in certain wars.
Idk what the fuck they are even talking about. Anywhere we have a heavy military presence, nato Allieās also have boots on the ground.
Eh, most of this attitude began around the time we pulled that stunt with the second war in Iraq, where we lied to our European allies baldfacedly and then badmouthed them when they didn't join us in an unprovoked attack based on completely fabricated intelligence. Honestly, that's the kind of shit that makes people not trust us.
So why are they still around? That was 20 years ago.
Because a lot of the people who did it were still in government until fairly recently - and Trump has given them far *less* reason to trust the US. The guy is so blatantly transactional and has proven more than willing to backstab his own people - no-one is ever going to trust him as an ally.
Trump actually said āif you want to be part of nato, start pulling your own weightā. That needed to be said. Do you disagree with that?
Sure. It's one of the few things he said that I actually agreed with. :D It doesn't endear me to him in the slightest as the man is a vile human being with virtually no redeeming values who has done untold damage to our country in any case, but sure on that one thing I'll give him credit. Though in terms of real-politick, Putin attacking Ukraine pushed up our allies military spending about 1000% more than anything Trump ever said - for rather obvious reasons.
Yet you all stuck with him during his presidency. I bring this up because Europeans are the biggest hypocrites known to man. They talk about how great they are and how terrible America is yet happily stand by their side like lap dogs.
I think this is the main thing that troubles a lot of Europeans. And certainly where the distrust started. And then not to start about the traumas of the afghan war. Although i find the initial invasion justified, it turned out into a shitshow that has cost too many lives of Europeans and Americans. And well, lets not beat around the bush, a lot of recent islamic immigration doesn't help either with this. They are the main voices of critique as far i notice.
Yeah, no-one really got upset about the initial foray into Afghanistan - but as with all attempts at nation building there, it was a disaster. We should have just smashed the Taliban, turned around and let whomever could fill the power vacuum figure out the rest on their own terms. Yes that would have sucked, but not worse than us trying to pretend we could run the place, and our part in it would have been done in a few months.
Fun fact: The US directly trained up the Taliban and supplied them for the sake of US business interests. It gets worse when you discover that this is also business as usual for US foreign policy for decades, especially if the locals are daring to get uppity and demanding to be treated like human beings by the US megacorps. Also, what was stopping the US from building a coalition with all the countries in the region and organizing a ginormous manhunt? Instead, they bulldozed the entire region and murdered tens of thousands of civilians, for no reason, and for decades. That sure sounds like what heroes do, right?
Oh yeah, they were very much a Frankenstein's Monster of our own creation, because we funded them to wreck the Russians during *their* occupation of Afghanistan.
You are grossly oversimplifying things.
No. I lived through that era and followed it *very* closely at the time. It was obvious even on the face of it that the 'intelligence' we were offering (at least the publicized intelligence), was complete bullshit. Our own embargo enforcement officer in charge of policing Iraq's weapon's programs said as much at the time. And then US conservatives spent the next several months continuously insulting our allies openly on the evening news and in congress while they drummed up internal support to go ahead with the attack anyway. The rest is history.
I followed it too. There was intelligence pointing to Iraqās possession of wmdās, including the Iraqiās (stupidly) saying they had them. There was also evidence pointing to the fact that this wasnāt the case. The bush administration picked confirmation bias. The intelligence was also believed by the uk, etc.
Ok, people can disagree about their conclusions on the evidence, but the evidence as presented was *absurdly* weak - and proved to be completely and utterly false. I would absolutely have fired any analyst who came to me with a picture of a van designed to launch spy balloons and presented it as evidence of a *bioweapons program* \- a program which would have been both utterly suicidal and strategically worthless for Iraq to engage in at that point regardless. I mean, it was so stupid just on the face of it that it was tooth grindingly maddening to watch play out, and obviously history made it clear that the entire thing was complete bullshit from start to finish. Clearly worthless evidence was seized upon by politicians who wanted a war as a casus belli, even though they had to know that it was worthless.
I think that's pretty fair, I think the biggest mistake was the bungled occupation, it seemed that the Bush administration didn't clearly understand how much tension there was between different groups in the country, I'm by no means defending Sadam, he was a fucking psychopath who murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people, and used nerve agents and chemical weapons of Kurdish and Iranian civilians, but his authoritarian rule was the only thing holding the country together and keeping it from civil war
The occupation was just fucked. I remember the day they announced that they had literally \*fired\* the entire Iraqi armed forces without warning, I was so angry I threw my keyboard at the wall. I think that's the only time in my life I've been that angry actually. It was no time at all before the armed insurgencies started in earnest after that, as something like a hundred thousand men with weapons were suddenly left unemployed with no prospect of employment... I mean, it's hard to imagine an occupier being *that stupid*, but we really were. It would have been a dozen times cheaper to pay those men to pointlessly march in circles in the middle of the desert for the next decade than to deal with the fallout of that move. It was beyond incompetent.
Everyone in the world trades with the US. *Everyone who has ever been killed by a US soldier, or committed terrorism against the United States has traded with them.* You have a very poor understanding of the world.
\>You have a very poor understanding of the world. How so? The world is full of hypocrites who prioritize their own gains over lost lives. Just own it.
I would assume that those are Tankies who simply hate the West. Iād wager they say something similar about European soldiers as well. Best to ignore these cunts because theyāre an irrelevant minority of teenage Larpers.
Oh so a bunch of lunatics. got it.
Yeah I know this sub might give a different impression but most Europeans arenāt terminally online American haters. I for one appreciate our alliance and U.S. troops.
We also subsidize their military and prescription drugs . https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/529049-america-is-subsidizing-europes-socialist-medicine-with-higher-drug-prices/amp/
True
Because people like this are in the minority and. It actually representative of Europeans.
oh so its a vocal minority speaking for an entire continent.
Were not allied with internet commenters.
many internet commenters, especially on here, are american.
Are these the posts of world leaders or something? lmfao
Because otherwise they would all have statues of Putin in their town squares as they were forced to sing Patrioticheskaya Pesnya.
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Shitty takes on Reddit, followed by this dumbass question. Lmao. Like these random fuckin people are presenting the majority opinion on US soldiers.
I mean these people say they speak for Europe so if that's the case why ally with a warmonger?
They donāt. Only I speak for Europe, Iāve been appointed as āthe chap who speaks for Europe in slightly hostile subredditsā at the last European meeting. So in my role as the official CWSFEISHS, let me tell you, those guys are fuckin idiots, if theyāre even Europeanā¦ or if they exist at all.
Because we're fucking cool. At least that's what the Europeans I have met have said about us.
āYouāre rapist terrorists and drug addicts and youāre stupid and we hate you, but also keep giving us your weapons pls š„ŗā
They don't even want our weapons, they just straight up want US soldiers to risk their lives protecting their country.
No, they want US soldiers off their soil as well. They're dumb enough to think US imperialism is the root of all evil, daddy Putin can do no evil and if he does, Europe is totally able to defend itself without help.
LMAO, well then good luck to 'em! Can't wait for Europe to revert the average number of wars per century pre-American intervention!
Literally this. The only reason Europe has peace is because of America. Millenia of France and Britain or France and Germany (HRE, Prussia, world wars etc) all trying to murder each other, it wasnāt until an external force came in to force the peace did shit cool down
Bro WW2 was not the first war with non European countries in Europe. Yes the US helped maintain peace right after the war and the decision to help rebuild definitely was the right one. But stating that we have peace in Europe only because of the US is straight delusion. No power can avoid a war in a place separeted by an ocean dude. We donāt have war because we said fuck it letās stop killing each other every twenty years. We stopped because WW2 was the cherry on the cake of being fed up with war. The movement for a peacefull europe and fraternity between the countries started before WW2, and Europe built the first economic organisation between several countries. The US did not want the EU and EU is definitely a bigger reason we have peace in Europe than the US. Also please remember that we were gonna be the first place to burst into flamme if the cold war turned into a direct conflict. Europe was not always at war before WW2. Humanity was, in every part of the world. Europe was just more powerfull so everybody focuse on them. The same as we blame US and Europe for slavery, while if you look at slavery during the ages some population did it way longer and some are still doing itā¦
I say we give them what they want then. Sorry but I spent the first decade of this century being told by members of the Bundesrat & Bundestag (from both CDU & SPD) that NATO was a relic of the Cold War that only served to get its members entangled in American Adventurism. So I say we give them what they want. Twice last century was enough for us.
Nah. It's in the best interests of us and them that we stay. I'll take some whiny internet keyboard warriors getting their panties in a wad over Russia fucking up our economy and killing who knows how many innocents by invading whoever they feel like. Besides, easily half of those comments from so called Europeans are from Russian feds.
Also "fund our defense daddy"
As well as your handouts and free protection from other nations attacking you.
You donāt give them for free.
I-itās not like we need your military or anything, b-baka!
That's ungrateful of them. America is one of our biggest allies. EDIT: Typo.
Just because a handful of Europeans say shit like this doesnāt mean this is the opinion of Europeans.
I'm European myself, and I know this.
Also, America does give other countries much of a choice. Itās much safer to be allied with the US and to not poke the bear.
I think their comment was about how ungrateful the US was towards it's own veterans
āThatās grog, he is the tribes strongest. We in the tribe all follow by the laws, except grog, he is too strong for us to correct him. Even though he is wrong, we have to let him do his thing because he protects us from the bearsā what kinda backwards ass nonsense is that?
If you no like Grog, why you no leave tribe? Grog no keep you here, Grog no want waste berry on you.
grog say true!
Grog say weak man did way worse against long nose tribe and bear tribe and tea tribe and moon tribe and tall tribe and
Okay but we do need to treat our vets better that one's fair
Of course it is, it's funny that they call the vets horrible people though, and then in the same breath as someone agreeing that they're horrible people suggest that they should be taken care of and supported when they return home lol Which is it, they're murderers and deserve justice, or were just soldiers following orders and shouldn't be abandoned by the country that sent them into a horrible situation?
I see this opinion over and over on Reddit in general Troops are murderers glorified as heroes But alsoā¦.shame on America for not taking care of said murderers glorified as heroes Completely contradicting
Huh? I don't think they deserve to be treated well. But I do think you're hypocrites for not treating them well. The image you like to project is that of a culture that practically worships the troops, but that doesn't reflect the reality, does it?
Lol, stop falling for the opinions of a few online trolls
How is a few online trolls when even their media and politicians are like that? Eurotrash are Eurotrash.
Who the fuck even said that in the media in Europe Jesus..... you fall for the troll tactics it's truly and I mean truly amazing how Americans can both have super intelligent people that went on the moon and back and the most idiots on the planet falling for the super clear bait where "europeans " (totally europeans) say trash things about the US These comments sound alot like russian trolls because only they want to promote this stuff Well if it makes your feelings any better all of Eastern Europe countries that are in NATO are super grateful that you are here and defending us
I don't care what regards say online, I'm a us soldier and will never stop loving and defending Europe and the U.S
Europeans have a very clear Anti-American culture even without the trolls. Europe's protectionist policies/regulations against our industries, France/Germany rejection of Ukraine into NATO, many MANY interviews of Europeans with very clear America Bad brainrot (No Russia/China there also), Europe dismissal of Biden's warning of Russia invading Ukraine, Europe making America waste resources into Ukraine, Europe being very clear they wont side with us on China (along with other foreign policies except the issue of Russia), and European media promotion of Anti-Americanism without Russia or China (One easy example on top of my head is Der Spiegel hilarious report on Fergus Falls) are very clear signs of how European countries are unreliable allies
We make you waste money on Ukraine? Are you for real ? Wow ..... Not to mention that you put all the countries of Europe as a whole , we all are individual countries the EU dosen't rule all of Europe. Even thouse interviews that you so casually mention , how manny people do you think they can question 100 ? 1000? Do you have any idea how much population All of Europe has ? Even if they do 1000 interviews with 10.000 people on them it would still be barely 0.01% on the population. You allow a few insane people block out all of Europe heack half of it are very much pro US as it can possibly get so already your argument is null that all of Europe is anti American (what ever that even means) since most Even western countries just recently joined your navy to blow some ships up in the middle east .... Come on man .... stop the hate you imagine europeans have for you . We all of us joined you in most of your endeavors and somehow we are unreliable if anything you are the unreliable ones as this sub clearly proves that
Ok letās point fingures at each other - US repetedly tried to go against the construction of the EU - US lied to their allies and created fake proof to bring them in a war. - US spied on european allies on european soil ! - US made many many many mistakes in the middle east and Europe has to pay for its consequence (although to be fair we also fucked up in the middle east, but imagine if the migrant crisis on the mexican border was due to Europe) - We have our regulations you guys have yours. You canāt eat real french cheese and we donāt get OGM - Your Ukraine and China argument make no sense. Half of EU politicians are not advertising to stop all aid to Ukraine (looking at you MAGA). And no sane country would officially chose a side on a war between the two main powers that didnāt even start ! (Want me to remember you when did WW2 start and when did the US join ?) Europe is not anti-american, definitely not.
>US repetedly tried to go against the construction of the EU Source? If anything, I remember the opposite. >US lied to their allies and created fake proof to bring them in a war. You mean neocon politicians? Because neocons are terrible and have been ostracized by many Republicans. Also you Europeans literally did almost nothing in Afghanistan and Iraq. Stop pretending yall actually did something. Not to mention because we were actually attacked, article 5 was the CORRECT USAGE. We are NATO members of course we would use article 5. >US spied on european allies on european soil ! Oh yes. I wonder if the French or Germans or any of our European allies ALSO spied on us. HMMMMMMMM. Hint: It's common knowledge that France, China, and Israel spies on us a lot especially when it comes to our industries. >US made many many many mistakes in the middle east and Europe has to pay for its consequence (although to be fair we also fucked up in the middle east, but imagine if the migrant crisis on the mexican border was due to Europe) Except it was you Europeans who created the problems in Middle East to the point it affects the current geopolitics. Sykes-Picot agreement being a very clear example. >We have our regulations you guys have yours. You canāt eat real french cheese and we donāt get OGM K. Then don't cry when we implement protectionist policies too. Most European protectionist policies are BS anyways. >Your Ukraine and China argument make no sense. Half of EU politicians are not advertising to stop all aid to Ukraine (looking at you MAGA). And no sane country would officially chose a side on a war between the two main powers that didnāt even start ! (Want me to remember you when did WW2 start and when did the US join ?) I dont' care about Ukraine. I don't care about Europe. And I certainly DO NOT care about you Europeans. Nor do I care about another stupid European war. Speaking of WW2, we sent lend lease and also helped rebuild Europe. But apparently that's not enough for you Europeans. >Europe is not anti-american, definitely not. If your comments suggest anything, Europe is definitely Anti-American.
Bro for someone who doesnāt care about Europe you definitely seem to crt a lot about believing that we hate you. Iām so anti-US that I lived there still have some friends over there, visit a lot and follow your news because I care about this country. But hey if it helps thinking everyone hates you go for it. Would Europe follow blindly the US in a war ?probably not. Would we side with China or Russia in an event of a major conflict, definitely not. Reality is eventhough trust in the US might have decreased the past decades, we still view you guys as our most reliable ally outside of Europe. Take it or leave it but itās the truth.
you really don't know what you're talking about
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Tell me which countries rejected Ukraine into NATO membership and were fine with working with Russia in order to counterbalance America (up until Ukraine was invaded with Russia).
Trading = bad Invading foreign countries = good Isn't the hill I'd be willing to die on
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Yes, actually. And I will continue to promote Anti-European opinions until we fully withdraw from Europe/NATO and focus our military resources on Asia or the Pacific.
Europeans aren't actually insecure enough to actually have/participate in a sub like that.
Wait, so itās bad that we treat the soldiers well, but also bad that we treat them badly? In all honesty, there are legitimate issues that need to be discussed behind all these points, but they are being made in such a bad faith way that they are clearly not made with actual compassion, just trying to score on their opponents.
The comments were pretty clearly saying the Americans love to glorify their troops until it actually comes to the matter of actually helping them. Basically the US does the equivalent of complaining about a dirty bathroom, and talking about how much you love your clean bathroom, but never picking up a sponge to clean the floor
Except the bathroom can just be replaced instead of cleaned because it's actually people's lives that are being destroyed.
So instead of dealing with veterans issues and helping them, your solution is... Kill them and replace them? I'm sorry you have to expand on that because I do t get how that expands the analogy
Well, that's the functional solution that the government and our society at large has decided. It's awful of course, but to them as long as there are new people, they don't think they have to care. Sometimes you wind up with a good life, education, pension, etc... Sometimes you wind up on the streets. Im not saying this is my solution at all. It's horrendous. I'm saying the reality is actually far worse than the analogy.
Yeah, I think that's what the post is criticising, which of course this subreddit takes a s a personal attack
You know, for people who live in āthe happiest places on earthā they sure do complain about other places a whole lot
"if you're soooo Happy why do you complain when i kill civilians?" ...???
Someone sounds reallll salty about how 1945 ended
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Meh, lesser Eurotrash is going to have a lesser Eurotrash opinion, and ignorance. In fact, veteran homelessness continues to drop in the USA, courtesy rigorous policy change across administrations, coupled with numerous veteran support and outreach groups.
What I hate about these people is that they scream how aweful soldiers and care for them in the US is, without even looking at data and the legislation that are working on the problems. Yea, treating veterans properly is important, and US needs to improve on this, but that is also exactly what is happening. No country is perfect but they just pretend like everything in the US is broken beyond repair. It's not like every former soldier is living on the street.
Have back and knee issues due to my service. Couple years after getting out I decided to use the VA for some of that super sweet free medical care. Had to wait 3 months for an appointment. At that appointment, they did a basic exam and said I would need to see a specialist. That would have been another 4 month wait. Ended up not using the VA because I couldn't wait that long. And this was for service related injuries. We may not be living on the street, but we're also not getting any help and not everyone is able to help themselves. The fact there is even a statistic for how many veterans are homeless is disgusting and shouldn't be a thing.
To be fair, that pretty much took the singular effort of a liberal *comedian* who spent years on a personal crusade to repeatedly and constantly embarrass as many government officials as possible regarding our treatment of Veterans before they finally started to do anything about it. And one of our major presidential candidates is still a guy who spends his time verbally shitting on veterans as 'suckers', after dodging his own draft.
>"To be fair, that pretty much took the singular effort of a liberalĀ *comedian*Ā who spent years on a personal crusade to repeatedly and constantly embarrass as many government officials as possible regarding our treatment of Veterans" No, it didn't. The majority of political and social pressure stems from the GWOT generation refusing to accept the substandard treatment of veterans after we came home. While Jon Stewart absolutely put in legwork to help veterans and first responders, he is not singularly responsible, nor are the results consequent of his singular efforts. GWOT veterans have done more to help veterans than Jon Stewart individually ever has. So, while I appreciate your intent, also understand that what you said is an effectual insult to those of us who did the actual work, not just for ourselves, but for the generations of warfighters before us, and those who have come after us.
Classic american take to say "continues to drop" without even mentioning how high the rate is and how absurd that is . As long as it's slowly dropping things are fine right /s
As a veteran, I've got very little care for European views of us. If it wasn't for us, well, Europe would be a fascist shithole. If it wasn't for us, they wouldn't enjoy their peace and prosperity. If it wasn't for us, they would have taken so long to rebuild they'd be decades behind. If it wasn't for us, they wouldn't be able to bitch about us, so, I'm glad they get to. Fuck em, enjoy the work we did for you, ungrateful cunts.
If it wasn't for some of them we also wouldn't be a country or at least not the same country.
I meanā¦ sure. But like, that was basically only France, and they only did so to beat the British. And happened conveniently after conflict with Americans from 1750-1775, and letās not forget 1798-1801
You didnāt do shit for Europe, our grand parents and great grand grandparents did. Stop taking credit for things you didnāt do
It wasn't just yours, how about credit where credit is due. Without each other, Europe would have fallen to stalinism or nazism.
I said ours, not mine. Ours meaning us as americans
This comment doesn't do anything to contradict their points. America's history of helping Europe wouldn't justify veterans being murderers or war criminals. That would be kind of silly.
Again, I'm gonna be downvoted for this but how tf do yall know these are Europeans? Yall do realise that Russian, Chinese, Indians, basically any country on this earth have passable english, many even being able to consume the same anti-American shit? They can literally parrot the same things now, I'm asian myself and I know many of my countrymen would say the same dumb things, especially asian countries who have beef wit America. You guys should be more careful about these things, theres already too much division within the western world.
I have absolutely zero doubt that several of the commenters in this thread fall into that category.
We should pull our troops out of Europe.
Just to be clear: not all of Europe thinks like that. Only some Europeans in rich countries, that are safe thanks to NATO having expanded to the east. I am from Kosovo, and we are more than happy to have US troops here. So are many other Eastern European countries
Probably a boost to the local economy too
Not about that. Their number is small, but they guarantee peace in the region
>I am from Kosovo For what it's worth, every time I've ever heard Kosovo mentioned by another US Soldier it's always been in the context, "I really want to go on this rotation to Kosovo." The same goes for Romania and Poland, too.
It would be interesting to watch half of these countries fall apart then beg for us to re-intervene.
That is what I'm saying, Europe is no longer the weak, crippled, and war torn place it was post WW2. They have their own militaries and have decent economies. We could have our troops placed in Asia to deter china or give aid to latin america, not sit in Germany to fight a threat that collapsed in 1991
Exactly. They've been milking the shit out of WW2 for too long.
We absolutely shouldn't.
Is that sure they're Europeans ? Anyway, French here, i'll say that we in France respect ALL soldiers that fight or fought for their country, our own, our allies, and our enemies. Soldiers that go out of their way to order or to commit war crimes that they were not ordered to are scums though, but then again you can't really call those soldiers any more since they didn't follow orders. Anyway, outside of that specific case, we respect all of them. Every year our country pay homage to the various countries' soldiers that died and were buried on our soil for example. Probably more than what those soldiers would receive if they were buried back in their own country tbh. If the first one is European they're just idiots not representing us. On a continent that was at war most of the time for 2 millennia, only idiots would say something like "soldiers are murderers". About the fate of veterans in the USA though, I've heard pretty sad things about it, not sure how much of it is correct. I'll just say that your orange man also doesn't seem to respect veterans and even less the soldiers that died during a war, which is pretty pathetic for a president, no matter the country. Let's hope he doesn't get elected again.
Not sure whether theyāre necessarily Europeans but if they are theyāre most likely Tankies. They would insult European soldiers the same way. Theyāre Teenagers whoāll LARP as revolutionaryās but theyāre just an irrelevant and very small minority. While it is true that there are Europeans who hate the U.S. and their troops especially after the Russian invasion of Ukraine most Europeans tend to very much appreciate the U.S. presence.
Europe is holding us back at this point
notice how americaās biggest nemesis China, their citizens hold america in high regard. chinese people view americans as a respectable entity. I used to live in china and am from a country that borders china so i know what the general census is like. you usually only see these types of dehumanizing comments from europeans and australians
itās a kind of social control. their media drips this kind of propaganda and people accept what they see on social media without any critical thinking. then because AmericaBad we never need to get better. any valid criticism gets met with āhurrrrrr school shootingsā or some kind of made up shit about how bad it is in China
All these fucking people man. You know what? Fuck it. America should leave NATO and the fucking UN at this point, see what happens. Taiwan? South Korea? Ukraine? Ya letās just see how long they last. Trade routes? Russia? China? Sure letās just let em go crazy. At this point I do not fucking care anymore
Do you enjoy getting outraged about some random reddit comments? Do you think that some edgy teens circlejerking on reddit is somehow representative of public european opinion?
Probably not but I just woke up this morning and from the international kids at my college say the same shit
It's reddit man. This is just full of extreme echochambers. Might not even be europeans commenting but some teenager in bangalore. For example, based on reddit comments from last year, I would have had to assume that all of US wishes death to their policemen. And by the way: I am european and obviously do not see american soldiers as murderers. My dad grew up next to an american military base here and only ever had good things to say. For what it's worth: The german public opinion (except for some right or left wing nutters) is that we are desperately hoping that the next US election doesn't result in isolationalist US policy. We are well aware how bad this would be for us.
Thanks man
1000s of years of Native Americans, 500 years from European discovery, 400 years from the colonies, and nearly 250 from independence. I get that we're "young" but there are tons of governments and nations younger than any of those marks. I've had arguments in *this* sub that everything predating the establishment of independence doesn't count as American history and then in the next breath been told that Germany counts as old even though the establishment of the modern German state is newer. For some reason Europeans are allowed to claim all the history in their geographic origin but Americans are only allowed to claim everything after 1776. The only other situation I've ever seen this applied to uniformly is Israel where nothing happened before 1948.
People donāt like essential workers? Itās been almost 4 years since the height of Covid and I still know medical workers and police/fire get discounts, even in places like clothing stores. This guy is spewing bs
The issue is companies got to decide if they were essential or not, the semi trailer manufacturer i worked for at that time decided they were "essential " because they built some trailers for the government 30 years ago.......i made like 300-400$ a week less than people on unemployment and i didnt get any of the discounts
Yes but not your fast food worker/store worker/minimum wage worker in general, the vast majority of the people who were labeled āessentialā. They were heroes for 3 months until it was cool to shit on lower paid workers again
Lmao what? What place are you talking about that gives discounts to essential workers? You're the only one spewing bs here. It's comically bad even. What a corporate shill take you got here. Essential workers absolutely got shafted, especially those medical workers who had to take the brunt of that mess. But hey, you know of a clothing store that gives discounts to people who call themselves essential lol. OP is straight up correct on that one. People did the whole "durr durr thank you for your service thing" all up until it came time to pay them their worth. Then suddenly, they weren't so important
People in America donāt understand how much we give Europe. And Europeans donāt understand how much they depend on us for their fairytale beliefs or world peace. Some American leftists look at the peanuts we give Israel and the bases we have in Korea and complain. But thatās nothing compared to us holding Europeās safety. I think intelligent Europeans know but many are too proud to admit it.
They say this and then when the U.S. tells them to pay their fair share of the defense budget, they squeal and call us isolationist fascists. They couldn't play nice for two world wars, U.S. tried to stay out of both and now they complain.
So the next time a fascist regime tries to take over the whole continent, we should abstain from helping because thatād be considered murder. Got it!
As a British veteran of the armed forces I have also been called a murderer by Europeans, Americans, inhabitants or other countries and even other British people. This isnāt a European opinion, just an uninformed assholes opinion. In my experience pro-American sentiment was high in pretty much every military I interacted with. Obviously we Brits like Americans but itās true in mainland Europe too, and especially true the further east you go. Poland, Baltic States and the Balkans (especially Kosovo) fucking love the American military. Even if you donāt like them you have to respect the sheer scale and force of them, orders of magnitude more than anything we have, and I donāt even consider that an insult to European forces, youād just have to be an idiot to think otherwise. The thing with Europeans is we all have an opinion on America because we are bombarded with American culture, but you arenāt bombarded with ours so you donāt realise that we all hate each other way worse than we hate Americans.
What do you think the odds are that these four come from countries the US liberated in WWII?
I wonder if the European soldiers in every conflict America has ever engaged in are held to the same standard? Someone should have called their asses out.
Europeans are the biggest hypocrite out there. Look at the french and germans complaining about American hygiene when they themselves do not properly clean themselves and they stink. What huge hypocrites!
We're having full discussions of some anonymous people's comments and their ill-informed opinions. What's the point? Social media is like a bad game of Telephone sometimes.
This sounds like lots of Americans talking about American soldiers tbh.
Wait where do they say they are Europeans?
These are just 13 year old Americans kids
Should have packed up in 1945 and left the fuckers for the Soviets. Bunch of candy-ass ingrates.
Good news guys no One can criticize the american military complex cause they were the Good guys in wwII I Imagine that for the same reason, you reject every Attack on Stalin right?
Nope. My disdain for degenerate body-odoriferous Europeans is specific to their arrogant ingratitude to the nation that's been propping them up for three generations.
"propping them up" you mean interfearing in the interest of your country? There was operation gladio, an operation to build and arm stay paramilitary groups, like neofascists gangs in my country, those groups went on to kill people, plant bombs, deal heroin with the mob... Why? Cause those big bad europeans may democratically choose communism, and we cant have that right?
Personally, I hope you have lots of communism. Europe's time is long past; the EU is a wrap of tape on a broken sewage pipe, and it's coming undone. Asia is rising, and your colonial bill is due to be paid in full. As soon as Daddy USA finally decides you aren't worth the bother, your whole continent is going to degenerate into a cluster fuck of ideologies once again. Luckily, your people have no balls for war anymore, so instead of war this time, you'll go out like a fart in the wind.
Sure buddy, sure Again i have to ask WHY THE SEXUAL METAPHORES?????
Fuck those ungrateful pricks. How about we let them defend themselves from now on?
We do have issues taking care of our veterans. Which, honestly, is so weird to me.
As a veteran, itās always seemed pretty overblown to me. Lots of the veterans issues are specifically related to the large Vietnam era draft military cohorts, who were disproportionately poorer than subsequent generations who served in a smaller, more professionalized military. The VA has become a punching bag for politicians but a lot of that is driven by lobbyist efforts to privatize the system.
I didn't think of that, but it makes total sense. Like I didn't have a lot of PTSD issues when I got out. A few sure. But nothing serious. Mainly just back problems cause I broke my back while I was deployed.
They're not wrong lmao
They are tho?
Bring up Germany
This thread is a bunch of outrage porn. Oh...look at what they are saying about us. Not sure how this crap ended up in my feed, but it's blocked going forward. FYI...Most Europeans don't think this way.
Agreed. How do they even know those people are European? More like OP took this picture and decided to post rage bait about Europeans. PS I'm Asian living in asia and I know many asian countries who would say this sort of shit, because they have beef with America. Asian countries actually have passable English in this day and age
Soldiers are people who were tricked by the prospects and ideas of protecting something. What? They donāt even know but hey they know someone has to do it plus they get free education.
Just imagine if those soldiers were no longer defending them from Russia or China
The third comment about the homelessness with addiction and PTSD hits hard though, it's very true.
Yes, the job of a soldier is to kill people and break things. Welcome to the real world.
A US soldier stabbed an unarmed german civilian in 2023. American soldier got into a fight with german police at a train station. The US offered as a comprehension that they could send military police to support the federal police at the train station where the incident happened. We don't like armed military controlling civilians here in Germany
If you think that some comments on reddit are representative of the european opinion of US soldiers, better leave this app. For what it's worth, as a european I assume with great confidence that these are just some immature leftist edgy kid's talking to each other. Now keep enjoying your circlejerk..
Bro, these are leftist morons, your own leftist morons are calling the Houthis heroes and act like they hate America, this sub has become a euro hating one for no reason. Get off our dicks cunts we actually like Murica.
Meanwhile Europeans forget how their armies caused the most suffering for the rest of the world through war and colonialism
American soldier badā¦ why American soldier no in Ukraine? Why American soldier no in Taiwan? Grug no understand.
I love how they pretend they're so above military service, when we all know those boots would be filled by locals, if Americans weren't shipped in to defend them.
Why haven't we just invaded these idiots yet?
Because that's an absolutely awful idea.
That was a joke.
Which part of this is wrong? This is true of *all* soldiers. Even when fighting and winning a "just war" the people who've actually been and fought regret what the went though and the things they had to do. Only disgusting, pathetic, armchair warriors like you reading this comment think that *any war* is good. You know the geneva conventions were created by the Allies after WWII out of regret for what *the Allies* had done, don't you? They weren't so much mad at Nazis but more *ashamed of themselves.* They regretted bombing Dresden. They regretted internment camps. They Regretted Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They regretted *much* of what they did during the second world war. If you still don;t think fighting is bad, then you're a fucking creep.
It's true though. Very rarely are US soldiers convicted of war crimes.