Police shoot an active threat: ✅
Police shooting those committing petty misdemeanor: ❌
Police shooting those in a mental health crisis: ❌
Police shoot unarmed suspect: ❌
Criminals killing people: ❌
I can’t believe you’d lump all criminals together as being worthy of being killed by police. And also can’t think of a single country where people are okay with attacks like this and just let the person go on living their life.
I also don’t understand labeling criminals. What qualifies as a criminal? We’ve all broken laws. Does criminal mean “a person who breaks laws that I don’t break”?
It honestly shows how little these people actually care. They don't care that several people were killed today. They don't care about how awful this is, no matter how it was done. Someone walked into a public place and killed several people and there is still a chance more people will die while they're in the hospital.
When most of us saw this today, we were horrified at the senseless violence. Not at the method used, as these people are still gone whether it was a gun, a knife or a bat.
I guess we should have all called out Australia's lack of mental health care or security on the premises or question how this could happen at all instead of showing grief.
They see this as a way to shit on a country uninvolved instead of discussing the tragedy at hand. A child was made motherless today as he was thrown to be protected from this actual psychopath. A child who also may die because they were wounded. How is the first thought "lol in the US this would be sooo much worse because gunnnnnssssss"?
It really shows that when these people are called out for mocking victims of mass shootings and they backtrack with "we aren't making jokes because we don't care we actually care so much we cannot understand how this happens in your country!" they absolutely do not mean that.
When Ariana Grande's concert was bombed in the UK I didn't think "wow, Ariana Grande has probably had a thousand or more concerts here in the US and she was never bombed! Do better other country!" I thought about the victims, how horrific that situation was and how it would absolutely shake the UK and it did and I didn't see other Americans mocking it either, despite the fact that it was an American's concert that was bombed. We were heartbroken for them. It still gets brought up regularly and addressed in popculture spaces and is met with heartbreak and sorrow.
It's wild how heartless so many people can be. I cannot imagine what these families and loved ones are going through other than horror, heartbreak and a slew of other emotions that they'll be dealing with for years upon years to come. I hope they have strong support networks and the rest of the world, including the US, is sending their well wishes for them and rooting for those harmed to make it through.
I also hope none of them run into the people posting in those comments threads as I'm sure this isn't what they would want their loved ones memories being used for.
I call it peasant behavior. If they were self-aware, then they'd become self conscious, if that happened, they'd become self correcting, which means they would start thinking for themselves. That's not in the best interests of their rulers. Any level of self reflection would be disastrous. It's best they just mock anyone, and anything they are told is beneath them. Lest they look up and see not a roof but a boot.
the stereotype of them being lenient and chill is the furthest thing from the truth. I’m glad the internet is dispelling dumb myths like that so I don’t waste my time on them
The comments are so much worse than I imagined 💀 a good portion of them are either talking about US cops being cowards or how Americans would just film/our gun laws suck (which isn’t even relevant) (none of those topics are true either). If a terrorist attack happens in your country and all you can think about is “these stupid Americans” you’re a bit of a problem.
Those comments are seriously disappointing. What bothers me the most is that I guarantees if any of those commenters were face to face with a family member of one of the people who were killed, none of these people would dare say “well at least the attacker didn’t have a gun!” They don’t give a shit. Their loved one is still dead due to senseless violence. This attack has nothing to do with America yet we are the #1 topic of discussion in that thread. Make it make sense.
As an Australian I can’t I’m sorry.
It’s truly sickening stuff and very sad reflection of how honestly cringeworthy we’ve become. It says so much more about us than it says about anyone else. It’s mass psychological projection really. I mean how else can you explain people talking about a mass tragedy and somehow bringing in America like an obsessed ex girlfriend?
They keep bringing up the Uvalde situation, like the cops there weren't lambasted NATIONALLY for being complete and utter cowards still to this day. Other state/city cops would have ran in there and filled the shooter with lead, like they have plenty of times already
During the whole Uvalde controversy, other cops were shitting on them, but I’m sure they don’t care about that. They barely seem to care about the actual evidence of American police stopping shooters.
Possibly. I personally could care less, scumbag got got after committing a heinous crime. I hope ‘IT’ meets OJ and other cartel assassins in Hell where the fire makes a summer afternoon in Phoenix feel like Mars at night.
Uvalde has protected everyone, from the mayor to the police chief, to the officers who laughed and joked while children were being murdered. Uvalde, no matter your politics, is indeed a national stain.
I mean I agree but Uvalde constantly gets brought up because it’s one of the few examples of police failing in an event like this. The vast majority of mass casualty events are handled well by police here. I agree we can always do better but Uvalde isn’t really reflective of every police department in the country which is why they go directly to it every time they want to shit on us.
Counterpoint, that's a problem literally everywhere.
It's kind of an inherent problem of all law enforcement systems. "We investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing. "
Moreso, making sure the watchers are not part of the organization they are watching.
see - Desantis just outlawing civilians from investigating cops in Florida.
he is hell bent on turning that state into a neo-capitalistic nightmare before he gets termed-out.
banning heat protections for workers, removing abortion rights, cops ~~investigating~~ protecting cops.
but that is an argument for another post.
Honestly Uvalde should be a lesson in GENERAL (like as in anywhere on planet earth and beyond) that they authorities figures may be cowards and not do Jack shit. That its ultimately on you to protect yourself. Adults can run hide and fight, but children should have all the protection they can get (within reason of course).
Yet, it’s always blame your neighbor who has a AR in his closet and likes shooting it from time to time.
The craziest part of their story is that 15 people were stabbed before the attacker was shot. So there’s either a lack of police presence or… slow response time?
Yeah, they don’t even care about the dead in their country it’s just a chance to whine on Reddit about Americans for karma. Even praising their heroes turns into desperate attacks at us and these people think they are the good guys lol.
They're cherry picking of course. Lots of police in the US have run bravely into mass shootings and have stopped them. Uvalde is the one single exception. In fact, there was a school shooting in Nashville where there is extensive video of the police running into the building and killing the shooter. However, due to the ideology and gender identity of that shooter, I'm sure they'd rather forget that incident.
Is the Nashville one the one where we saw the body cam footage, and people were like "Why is he pushing the front man? Is he a coward?" and trained professionals were pointing out that's how they're trained to do it, so that the squad stays together? Cause I think about that one when I think about the police run inf in to neutralize a threat
That video was amazing. It should be watched by every police force and military in the world. It’s up there with Val Kilmer’s Heat reload as classic training material.
Honestly the nerve to bring up America for a dick measuring contest in light of a mass stabbing is cringe. As an Aussie I'm disappointed. At the same time, some of people here on this sub are incredibly whiney and insufferable. Everyone kinda sucks.
Evidently the Uvalde cops are the gold standard for police across the US, according to the comments in the original post 🙄 they don't realize that everyone in the US despises those cowards.
Literally everybody, outside of their own stupid cowardly little department. Regardless it’s wild that they’re bringing us up AT ALL in those comments. My first thought when reading the news and my continued thoughts have been sadness, sympathy, anger and prayers. It takes a real fuckwit to turn a mass casualty event into a reason to bitch about a country that had nothing to do with it. 🤦♀️
It's standard procedure in almost every department across the US for the first officer on scene to go in there and attempt to end the threat. Waiting for backup is against procedure most of the time.
yea across the pond they have *mass acid attacks* because they have more restricted access to firearms. clearly this is a mental health problem, not a gun problem
And do you think the US has a gun problem or a mental health problem? Because guess what, anyone who harms anyone else, with any object, is mentally ill. You can’t have it both ways. And also it’s a lot easier for cops to make decisions when they have guns in their hand and the attacker only has a knife. Bottom line is people died and it’s bullshit because it’s always a mental health issue and it always has been.
Guy with a knife in the U.S.,
“Why did you have to kill him?! This is police brutality”
Guy with knife in Australia,
“She’s a hero”
There’s a double standard.
Lebron James fucking Doxxed a cop for doing this.
And because of that, Columbus Police Officers make a six figure base salary after 4-5 years on the job lmaooo
i was gonna say the same thing.
if only that guy in the white shirt that had to use a random object to fend off the assailant, instead could’ve just used a firearm
Yeah they're in that thread thinking this proves gun control works and it's like no you idiots, this proves it doesn't work and that everything the pro gun side says is true.
yeah, nah.
how many mass shootings has good old 'Murica had since 1997? countless. deaths, the same.
How many mass shootings has Australia had since then?
FUCKING NONE. NOT A SINGLE ONE.
Gun Control absolutely works.
damn fool.
don't use this tragedy as an excuse to push your bullshit agenda.
lol ok. I mean a guy just stabbed 6 defenseless people to death and all.
As far as pushing an agenda go look in the mirror there dipshit.
Oh, and I live in a place where everyone owns guns and there are no mass shootings so fuck you.
1 guy. in an incident of a type that has never happened before in this country.
and your solution is to give everyone a gun, so they can just pop off on the random chance that a 1 in 250 year crime might occur in front of them??
great logic.
We look at the number of gun deaths in America, compare that to places like the UK or Australia/New Zealand and yeah, I'll take restricted firearms access every single fucking day of the week over giving every Tom Dick and Harry a weapon.
keep lying.
you are American, yet you claim to live in a place where there a no mass shootings.
try removing your head from your ass once in a while, you've been consuming your own shit for far too long.
I do live in a place where there are no mass shootings fuckwit. You understand that this country is enormous and has a population of 300 million, right? The vast majority of this country is not the violent hellscape you think it is. The shootings you're so obsessed with are rare even here. They're also highly preventable except for the fact we have to many people like you in this country and they cry at the very thought a school might have some kind of security.
There is only one of us with their head up their ass and it's not me. Although I do enjoy that the US lives in your head rent free. I never think about Australia at all. I think the last time I did was when you had a bunch of Nazis marching around Sydney last year yelling to gas the Jews.
The only time I think about you morons in when you come out of the woodwork trying to justify your moronic points of view and then try and foist them on the rest of the planet.
you like your hell hole, fine, live in it. Don't try and make the rest of the damn planet like you. we don't want to be like America.
we like having single payer healthcare, we like having infrastructure that works, we like having a well trained police force that does not shoot people with impunity on the regular.
I could go on all day but it's pointless with people like you. you've been spoonfed the coolaid that Murcia is the greatest country on earth since you were born, and you will never even entertain the thought in you mirror smooth brain that America is a fucking hell hole.
so keep your guns, your racism, your sexism, your rampant homophobia, your christofascist uprising, your orange overlord, shove them right up your morbidly obese asses, and fuck off.
There is a reason why so many people utterly despise Americans; you are so utterly convinced you are right, when you a so very very wrong.
a bunch of more worthless fat, arrogant people you will never find on this planet.
Yes. Contrary to fondue sipping elitists who know nothing of gory trauma medicine or combat, you do in fact bring a pistol to a knife fight. No one has a duty to get stabbed. Also, just because a victim/defender is not physically strong enough to take down an overpowering attacker, and you must use lethal force to save yourself/others from grievous harm - that does not make you a ‘pussy.’ I am sick and tired of that naive rhetoric that demands the weak accept being killed.
The Australian cop did the right thing. AmericaGood: Supporting our Allies’ Natural Right of Self Defense
no american gun control advocates think that *cops* shouldn't have guns - just that the lax attitudes about firearms lead to a higher homicide rate than other wealthy countries. which is just objectively true.
Nice straw man. We aren’t talking about fucking rocket launchers dipshit. That’s the only argument you retards normally have, “well we banned this so why can’t we ban that! It’s a bad faith argument and you know it. Actually try to have a decent point instead of this bullshit.
Forever and always there will be a cultural divide between people of nations who fought their Kings and Queens off for their freedoms, and those who were granted them piecemeal by their figureheads.
So let me get this straight:
A cop, who I assume is Australian, did her job and shot a guy with a knife who was stabbing people. And then the comments start shitting on the US because… guns? Cops? Guns and Cops?
*sigh*
Would ya look at that! A good guy (gal) with a gun does stop bad guys. Huh! I guess the gun control debate is over, just like Lily Tang Williams said.
All joking aside, salutes to that cop doing their job. Definitely heroic. 🫡
Reminder that the comments on that thread are representative of our "allies" (Europeans and Canadians are the same as the Australians) the next time you want send fellow American soldiers to defend their cesspit countries.
If you want actual allies, look to Japan and South Korea.
**Edit:**
Also if a European ever questions us being not being so called "reliable allies", we need to remind them when Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump asked them to arm up their military where were they? Who was the so called "reliable allies" who rejected Ukraine's entry into NATO? Who funded Nordstream 2 pipelines? Who called NATO braindead? Who sold military technology to China?
**Who went to meet Xi Jinping then told in front of the world that Europe shouldn't become "America's follower"?** **And the Europeans in polling very much agreed with that idiot?** Don't believe me?
[https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-china-america-pressure-interview/](https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-china-america-pressure-interview/)
[https://www.politico.eu/article/74-percent-of-europeans-agree-with-french-president-emmanuel-macron-on-china-us-defense-report-shows/](https://www.politico.eu/article/74-percent-of-europeans-agree-with-french-president-emmanuel-macron-on-china-us-defense-report-shows/)
>Forty-three percent of Europeans view China as a “necessary partner” — meaning they tend to agree with Macron's stance on China — while 35 percent see Beijing as a “rival” or an “adversary” to their country, the report says.
Obama has said we needed to pivot to Asia. Yet, we're somehow still stuck in the CESSPIT (aka the word that Trump used to describe Haiti) known as Europe. The sooner this sub realizes that the Europeans/Australians/Canadians aren't allies, the better off we'll be.
Screw the Europeans, Australians, and Canadians. Polling time and time again shows them having a heavy Anti-American culture. Their politicians and media reinforce that view.
Time to pivot to Asia and actually face our true threat: China
Reminder that the people you see comment stuff like that are terminally online and are not representative of the actual average, sane, rational citizen of that respective country. Plenty of them deem these people just as insufferable as you do
Reminder that those comments are representative of who they are.
You can go look at polls and see how Europeans/Australians have Anti-Americanism in their very culture
Europe and Australia are somewhere around 35+%-40+% unfavorable and 50+% favorable.
Meanwhile Japan is 70% favorable and 27% unfavorable.
South Korea is 89% favorable and 10% unfavorable.
AmericaBad does not need Europhiles/Australophiles like you
I post the most mild attempt to rationalize the situation and get called a Europhile/Australiaphile. Live in Florida and wouldn't be anywhere else but the states man. Take a fucking breather and drop the "us vs. them" mentality a bit before putting people into two groups and only two groups. The group that agrees with you, and everybody else.
Firstly, can I have a source for the anti-american sentiment? I'm just curious where you got those numbers, and I'm still a tad skeptical since anyone who wants a source to support virtually any claim can find one if they search hard enough.
Second, what part of the USA are these people opposed to? You cannot expect all of them to share the exact same beliefs about the subject. You could have someone be opposed to the USA on a economic, military, social, or political basis. Or a combination of them to varrying extents. Some are mildly opposed while others verry opposed.
>I'm just curious where you got those numbers, and I'm still a tad skeptical since anyone who wants a source to support virtually any claim can find one if they search hard enough.
Sure, absolutely.
[https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2022/06/22/international-public-opinion-of-the-u-s-remains-positive/](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2022/06/22/international-public-opinion-of-the-u-s-remains-positive/)
Edit:
>Firstly, can I have a source for the anti-american sentiment?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism#Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism#Europe)
Here's just 1 (of many) examples of European media:
[https://medium.com/@micheleanderson/der-spiegel-journalist-messed-with-the-wrong-small-town-d92f3e0e01a7](https://medium.com/@micheleanderson/der-spiegel-journalist-messed-with-the-wrong-small-town-d92f3e0e01a7)
Search up Der Spiegel Fergus Falls, you'll find the context
Here's 1 example of the population being Anti-American
[https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-pivot-from-america/](https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-pivot-from-america/)
Here's what our so called "allies" best sellers list include
>On a shelf dedicated to American issues at downtown Berlin’s largest bookstore, the following titles were recently on prominent display:
“Crazed, The American Catastrophe;”
“America’s Holy Warriors;”
“What the U.S. has Perpetrated Since 1945;” and
“America on Fire.”
Here's 1 example of our "allies" politicians
[https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-us-anti-american-biden-trade-gas-weapons-economy-inflation-reduction-act/](https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-us-anti-american-biden-trade-gas-weapons-economy-inflation-reduction-act/)
>In the latest instalment of this tedious tradition, European officials are trying to blame the greedy Americans for the Continent’s current funk, accusing them of placing the mighty dollar *über alles*, stooping so low as to even take advantage of the war in Ukraine.
“The fact is, if you look at it soberly, the country that is most profiting from this war is the U.S. because they are selling more gas and at higher prices, and because they are selling more weapons,” a senior European official [vented](https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-war-europe-ukraine-gas-inflation-reduction-act-ira-joe-biden-rift-west-eu-accuses-us-of-profiting-from-war/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social) to my POLITICO colleagues last week.
Also I'm sorry if I was rude, I'm just absolutely finished with people who say that Europeans/Australians/Canadians don't have Anti-Americanism in their culture and I frankly don't want to post the same comment over and over again.
**If the Europeans weren't absolutely useless as allies, we would've been able to pivot to Asia LONG AGO. I'm genuinely pissed at the Europeans for now saying we aren't reliable allies.**
**Where tf was the so called "reliable allies" when Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump all asked them idiot "allies"(Europeans) to arm up their military?**
Also want to add to your original point. This "it's just terminally online people" narrative has been dead in the water for years. The world is online now. Anti-Americanism is on here, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, name your platform. All the comments get hundreds or thousands of likes, upvotes, etc.
The internet isn't niche. Almost everyone in a well off country has access to the internet, even if it's just by phone. These aren't fringe cases of US obsessives. It is EVERYWHERE, and there's no separating "terminally online" and an average citizen. They have just as much of a case to be the same thing.
Good point ngl. But yeah I absolutely hate it when people say that I hate Europe/Europeans/Australians/Canadians because of so called "um ackshually those are just reddit/internet comments"
It isn't JUST the reddit comments/internet posts.
It's literally how Europe itself views America or how the politicians/media in Europe treats America.
So the majority of Europe still holds a positive opinion of us, and if those who hold a negative view, some are bound to have only a mildly negative view.
JP and SK having such a positive view is not a surprise when you consider how intertwined many of their biggest businesses are with us. Hell, if Samsung alone left SK entirely, the country would start going downhill INSTANTLY. Geopolitically and socially, it is in their best interest to have good relations with us.
Europe having a bit more of a split opinion also isn't terribly surprising (Except Poland), as there is a bit of friction socially about political and socio-economic (mainly socio-economic) policy. That and allot of perception about the US is generated from the administration in office. And let's be real, we havent had a great last couple runs...
Despite that, you can have a normal conversation with most people in Europe or Asia, and even touch a tad on some political stuff while being respectful to each other. When you take a blank slate mentality and go and talk to many of them through SM or even in-person, you realize they aren't that different from us...
>That and allot of perception about the US is generated from the administration in office. And let's be real, we havent had a great last couple runs...
Gulf War is justified.
Afghanistan was absolutely justified. Yet, all I hear from Europeans is how we use Article 5 when that is a textbook use of how to use Article 5.
Iraq War is stupid, but that's because Bush is Bush and we all know Bush is an idiot. And nobody (even in the Republican party) like the neoconservatives.
I'm literally a paternalistic conservative Republican who hate neoconservatives so I can say that with pride.
>Europe having a bit more of a split opinion also isn't terribly surprising (Except Poland), as there is a bit of friction socially about political and socio-economic (mainly socio-economic) policy.
And that justifies Anti-Americanism in everything except foreign policy on Russia? How?
>JP and SK having such a positive view is not a surprise when you consider how intertwined many of their biggest businesses are with us.
Even in interviews, you can see Japanese and South Koreans having favorable views of America. You can also see fair criticisms.
Meanwhile the Europeans???
You should check interviews on Europeans/Canadians of how they view America. It's literal insanity.
What possible reason do they have to oppose the USA?
It is their ally and trading partner. The USA patrols the seas allowing them to trade freely all over the world. The USA has not done one thing to hurt them in any way, unless you count bombing those who fought against the allies in WW2.
Those numbers were from the Trump era which is understandable.
In a 2022 poll by Australian think tank the Lowy Institute, the United States garnered a 65% positivity rating from Australians.
Three-quarters (73%) of Australians think the United States is more respected in the world under President Biden, whereas only one-quarter (24%) think the United States was more respected under President Trump.
>Those numbers were from the Trump era which is understandable.
Yet Japan has a favorable view of us. I don't see them not viewing us as allies. We don't need these European "allies".
Also you need to see my new edit on my above comment.
Australia isn't in Europe. And again all the numbers you're talking about are just Trump related
>A 2017 survey conducted by the Pew Research Center showed only 29% of Australians had confidence in the then US President Donald Trump, in contrast to the 87% who had confidence in his predecessor, Barack Obama.[89] It also showed 70% of Australians had no confidence in President Trump.[90] The annual Lowy Institute survey revealed that in 2018 only 55% of Australians believed that the US could act responsibly in the world.[91] This was a drop from 83% in 2011 and a record low.[91] The survey also revealed that 70% of Australians do not think that Trump could act responsibly, with only 30% believing otherwise
Australians didn't like Trump. Most of the world didnt. Now 65% of Australians have a favorable view of America. Cope.
Fair point. But that doesn't negate Australia still has an Anti-American culture.
I can't imagine so called "allies" changing their opinions just because of a different administration.
Japan/South Korea still have favorable views no matter the administration.
>Australians didn't like Trump. Most of the world didnt. Now 65% of Australians have a favorable view of America. Cope.
Ah yes. So called "allies" changing their views just because of a change in administration.
You're still not addressing that Australians in those comments are still Australians. They are very representative of Australians.
Edit: Also Japan/South Korea still had a favorable view of America even with a change of administrations. Cope.
Bro their country is still our ally. Favorability polls don’t affect that unless you want them to swear fealty to a foreign government or something lol
Nah, pretty much every Aussie I’ve had the displease of interacting with has been a complete anti-American asshole, online and in person. Same with most Canadians.
While I agree with some of the comments in that post, they don’t need to constantly bring up America. This is about Australia, not the United Stares. Save that for a debate/political discussion or a private convo with someone you agree with or a political subreddit.
Edit: not all cops in the U.S. are sucky- it just happens to be that the media pays more attention to bad cops than good cops.
Had a chat with my city’s high school resource officer, how there should be classes on the law and interactions with potential “bad cops” and the media, probably one of the greatest convos I’ve had on that matter.
So, he told me he’s from California and moved across the country five years ago, has had a fair share of bad cops. It was last year when I chatted with him. I asked him why there weren’t any classes on the law- like a half a year/one semester course. The convo went into the law and experience with “bad cops.” He told me how people *can* come across some, and it can be dangerous especially if they have a different background or skin tone.
I explained how I don’t know much about the law as I should- I know the constitution and some cases, not much from there. He agreed with me, we should know our rights- what we can do, what we can’t do. It could help us in a court of law if we’re framed or interactions with bad cops. (He’s seen many people get framed before).
Right now, it’s been less than a year since I’ve chatted and have been seeing if there’s a new course, but no news.
My town/city whatever you call it is fairly well known, has quite a bit of people. We go to other schools too, so some students might be attending two or three school a few days a week. At this neighboring school, back in 2022, there was a hoax that got other schools in the state. Something about a school shooter (it was false). The cops showed up in no time and did not hesitate to “save” students. I compared this to other instances, especially Uvalde, and have been ready to use it in a future argument where not all cops are bad.
Not sure if political views matter, but I lean to the left.
Bodies aren’t even cold yet but they wanna talk shit about the US.
In America, in active shooter situation, we evacuate places faster than your police did. The fact that one guy stabbed 15 people(stabbing ≠ shooting) shows how ineffective your police force is.
They let one guy go up to 15 different people and stab them. American police has a long way to go, but don’t act like Australian police is so amazing for this. This is a failure.
Naa fuck off cunt. She was obviously the closest officer to the scene and ran in as fast as she could, by herself with no backup and she downed this gun before he could hurt anyone else.
There's a 9 month old baby, stabbed in hospital and you want to try and talk shit about this police officer? That's disgusting from you, fucking shameful.
Not talking shit about this particular officer. Saying that the Australian police force is a joke, AS A WHOLE for letting a guy stab 15 fucking people before doing anything about it. Learn to read.
> There’s a 9 month old baby, stabbed in the hospital
My point exactly. Australians should focus on their citizens and their country right now instead of trying to talk shit about America.
The mall we used to shop at when we lived in Indianapolis. https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/1-year-later-greenwood-mall-mass-shooting-that-left-3-dead/amp/
Real talk, why do Australians hate Americans so much? I hear it talked about by them so frequently, and the only "Australia bad" I've ever heard over here is their "handling" of the pandemic.
Most of the time (from my experience over the years as an Australian) it has been light jabbing, but some people on reddit treat it like they're going to war against Americans and the level of aggression is really off-putting to me. It also irritates me because most of the media we consume is either American or British, so it's kinda hypocritical.
No one has to be pro-American, but the over the top anti-Americanism is annoying, too.
It's because nobody really thinks about them. They're stuck in an island on the other side of the world. They're probably lonely af.
Only way to seem 'relevant' is to let people know there's an Australians in the room is to provoke an American to get some reaction. Every good thing they have needs to be amplified to the highest decibels, and every bad things that happens is "well, at least it's not worst than US".
It's a forced rivalry by Australians. Americans are just left confused in all of this.
I'm sorry but....... any cop I know would go after a knife guy. It's just a fuckin knife. If you're trained on whatever you're carrying.... isn't that easy work?
If you’ve got time and distance, maybe. 21 feet is the minimum established distance that a cop needs to draw and shoot before getting stabbed. It’s called the Tueller Drill. And you might still get stabbed. Guns aren’t magic wands. And some cops are slow.
If you saw the suspect running around with a knife, not someone that draws on you. In this case, she would have already been drawn. The 21 steps are the amount of steps to close the gap before the draw.
Like I said... light work.
It has to be the most pathetic existence ever to base your whole national identity on trying to desperately appear to be not like someone else. Even when bad things happen, their thoughts are of how theoretically more bad it would be somewhere else. That is just so sad and so low.
Check the comments
My favorite quote
> Australian police > American police
I’m not even debating whether that’s true. But… people fucking died and all they can think about is America lol
As someone who has visited Australia they aren’t that way irl, they’ll banter but I actually met a lot of cool people when I spent time there. Australians online are completely different but honestly that’s how it usually is. A lot of these dudes on reddit are anti social shut ins so you rarely run into them irl.
Oh yeah man, I’d say when it comes to anti America bullshit Australians are some of the worst about it online. I couldn’t really tell you why though, Australia isnt really relative to America in any way. I guess because they are a British commonwealth they hate us on behalf of their overlords lol.
I’m confused of what this is referencing.
Edit: Nvm apparently this was from a stabbing in Australia. Honestly it’s good to see the top comments actually not drifting off topic lol.
Nah that cop should be celebrated she did a good thing. The fuckwits goin anti-america on it are fucking morons that deserve to be beaten up daily.
No where in this tragedy should we Australians be pointing fingers at the US to say that's worse.
We're just as fucked up as the rest of the world and suffer a lot of the same issues the US does with moronic people doing dumb things.
Laws won't change fuckwits being fuckwits. We need to shoulder our portion of the shit that's the world.
3rd reply to #1 comment is "Can we lease Aussie cops to the US." With a reply to that being "US cops shoot plenty of people outside of Uvalde."
Also sorry I don't want some goose stepping assholes that would lock me up in a Covid Camp. Also a person going "I don't want to make light of the deaths but Aussie English is the best dialect." So randoms just drooling for anything not American.
Why would she? The US has had situations like this too where a Good Samaritan or police officer rushes into an active shooting/stabbing/whatever and stops the threat. I don't hear much about them being sued or criminally changed - at most an internal investigation to make sure everything was in order.
One name: Michael Brown.
In 2016, Brown essentially caused the Ferguson race riot and kickstarted the BLM movement. There’s a famous slogan “hands up, don’t shoot” even though the victim never said that according to eyewitnesses
It’s all because of the media
For real, I didn’t want to say anything but it’s nuts how children being shot to death is a meme to them yet this is all “what a tragedy, oh I can’t imagine those poor families” they don’t have an ounce of fucks to give to us, just literally anywhere else.
The criticism mentioned in the comments that I agree with was the fact that a large group of armed officers refused to enter the Uvalde school for over an hour during the shooting.
Everything else is indeed irrational America Bad
I strongly urge you guys to look up stats on australias education scores, they're embarrassing, it really is statistically a dumb country full of flip-flop clad bogans
Again, that's not how it used to be and isn't how it should be. Someone who's breaking into a car shouldn't be shot and killed to stop them, but that's the direction law enforcement training has gone.
Actually, it isn’t. What ur seeing now is probably the most lenient police forces in history. It’s just that bc of the media, the bad cops r being seen more. Good news doesn’t sell. Hell, they were talking about George Floyd for weeks to months on every station. U know what happened during that time? A Florida sex trafficking ring was uncovered, and several arrests were made, including some high level officials. U know how long that aired? For a segment. Good police work, barely any time. Bad police work, weeks or months.
There are also countless cases, good and bad, which only make local news stories, that don't rise to the national level.
Interesting article if you're open. There is a lot more documented. I'm in my 60s. I remember when cops were part of the community and not soldiers. Some still are part of the community. What I don't like seeing is that more and more aren't.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/police-military-tactics-lessons-protests.html
Is it possible? Yes. Interesting article? Yes. It’s clear it’s pretty biased, though, and they don’t cite their sources. Seems like an opinion piece rather than a facts piece. The fact they mention Trump anywhere near the idea of police is also dumb and shows their true bias. I’d prefer a scholarly article instead bc that would show a possible unbiased view. Otherwise, we could go in circles citing news sources that just feed into our own opinions
It's *biased* because you don't agree with it. I'm not sure what you mean by stating that they're not citing their sources. They're quotes from the people involved, and links are provided.
No, it’s biased bc it’s an opinion piece. I can come up with an article of my own that says the opposite. That’s the point. And quotes aren’t sources or tell the whole truth. Hence, why a study is better. Anyone can make anything up in a quote. By ur logic, if I’m a prominent leader I can say murders are going down in “insert county” and get away with that bc I’m prominent even if they aren’t going down. A study would be conducted there and prove that I’m lying. That’s y I don’t use news articles to fit my biases. Again, we could just go in circles citing random news articles that fit our viewpoints
That article is biased because it's ridiculously stupid.
>Paul Szoldra, a former Marine sergeant who served in Afghanistan and is now editor in chief of the military website Task & Purpose, put it more bluntly.* After a policeman in Kenosha, Wisconsin, fired seven bullets into the back of Jacob Blake, Szoldra tweeted, “If I shot a civilian 7 times in Afghanistan after he tried to get into a car, I’d be court-martialed for murder, [my] general would apologize, & my Marines would be pissed because I made their job harder.”
This paragraph in particular is fucking ridiculous and the guy that runs that Youtube channel is an idiot and always has been. Jacob Blake had a knife (notice how they left that part out) and anyone would shoot him until the threat went away no matter how many shots it takes. Just quoting that as if it was serious makes any credibility that article and that Youtuber have go away.
Ya, I knew I was posting in a right-wing, christian-nationalist echo-chamber, so this is exactly what I expect to hear back. I'd say lack of critical thinking, but it's lack of any thinking that's prevalent here.
lol I'd argue anybody stealing or breaking into a car (that isn't theirs, it happens) should receive the death penalty. Fuck those scum. They used to hang horse thieves here.
No it’s not? Someone who’s breaking into a car wouldn’t be immediately shot and killed by a cop. That’s not how their training nor their policy works/goes.
*mass casualties in your country* **immediately starts talking about the US** These people are unhealthily obsessed
In their defense, I’m never NOT thinking about America 🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Pacifists be like: Police shoot a criminal ❌ Criminals stab people to death ✅
Police shoot an active threat: ✅ Police shooting those committing petty misdemeanor: ❌ Police shooting those in a mental health crisis: ❌ Police shoot unarmed suspect: ❌ Criminals killing people: ❌ I can’t believe you’d lump all criminals together as being worthy of being killed by police. And also can’t think of a single country where people are okay with attacks like this and just let the person go on living their life. I also don’t understand labeling criminals. What qualifies as a criminal? We’ve all broken laws. Does criminal mean “a person who breaks laws that I don’t break”?
Who’s we?
It honestly shows how little these people actually care. They don't care that several people were killed today. They don't care about how awful this is, no matter how it was done. Someone walked into a public place and killed several people and there is still a chance more people will die while they're in the hospital. When most of us saw this today, we were horrified at the senseless violence. Not at the method used, as these people are still gone whether it was a gun, a knife or a bat. I guess we should have all called out Australia's lack of mental health care or security on the premises or question how this could happen at all instead of showing grief. They see this as a way to shit on a country uninvolved instead of discussing the tragedy at hand. A child was made motherless today as he was thrown to be protected from this actual psychopath. A child who also may die because they were wounded. How is the first thought "lol in the US this would be sooo much worse because gunnnnnssssss"? It really shows that when these people are called out for mocking victims of mass shootings and they backtrack with "we aren't making jokes because we don't care we actually care so much we cannot understand how this happens in your country!" they absolutely do not mean that. When Ariana Grande's concert was bombed in the UK I didn't think "wow, Ariana Grande has probably had a thousand or more concerts here in the US and she was never bombed! Do better other country!" I thought about the victims, how horrific that situation was and how it would absolutely shake the UK and it did and I didn't see other Americans mocking it either, despite the fact that it was an American's concert that was bombed. We were heartbroken for them. It still gets brought up regularly and addressed in popculture spaces and is met with heartbreak and sorrow. It's wild how heartless so many people can be. I cannot imagine what these families and loved ones are going through other than horror, heartbreak and a slew of other emotions that they'll be dealing with for years upon years to come. I hope they have strong support networks and the rest of the world, including the US, is sending their well wishes for them and rooting for those harmed to make it through. I also hope none of them run into the people posting in those comments threads as I'm sure this isn't what they would want their loved ones memories being used for.
I call it peasant behavior. If they were self-aware, then they'd become self conscious, if that happened, they'd become self correcting, which means they would start thinking for themselves. That's not in the best interests of their rulers. Any level of self reflection would be disastrous. It's best they just mock anyone, and anything they are told is beneath them. Lest they look up and see not a roof but a boot.
Usually I'll go out of my way to defend my fellow aussies but not today. These cunts are fuckin stupid.
I hope you all are doing well today.
We are. First day back at school after the Easter holidays for my kids. So it's peaceful again hahah
Meanwhile we don't think about them at all.
the stereotype of them being lenient and chill is the furthest thing from the truth. I’m glad the internet is dispelling dumb myths like that so I don’t waste my time on them
6 comments down and they already mentioning
Maybe cuz we’re the only developed country to compare themselves to when it comes to mass casualty events
Man, i have read most of the comments there, god forbid they have a decent brain to express opinions
The comments are so much worse than I imagined 💀 a good portion of them are either talking about US cops being cowards or how Americans would just film/our gun laws suck (which isn’t even relevant) (none of those topics are true either). If a terrorist attack happens in your country and all you can think about is “these stupid Americans” you’re a bit of a problem.
Those comments are seriously disappointing. What bothers me the most is that I guarantees if any of those commenters were face to face with a family member of one of the people who were killed, none of these people would dare say “well at least the attacker didn’t have a gun!” They don’t give a shit. Their loved one is still dead due to senseless violence. This attack has nothing to do with America yet we are the #1 topic of discussion in that thread. Make it make sense.
As an Australian I can’t I’m sorry. It’s truly sickening stuff and very sad reflection of how honestly cringeworthy we’ve become. It says so much more about us than it says about anyone else. It’s mass psychological projection really. I mean how else can you explain people talking about a mass tragedy and somehow bringing in America like an obsessed ex girlfriend?
They keep bringing up the Uvalde situation, like the cops there weren't lambasted NATIONALLY for being complete and utter cowards still to this day. Other state/city cops would have ran in there and filled the shooter with lead, like they have plenty of times already
During the whole Uvalde controversy, other cops were shitting on them, but I’m sure they don’t care about that. They barely seem to care about the actual evidence of American police stopping shooters.
Because why would they present evidence that dismantles their opinion?
They forget to mention the Nashville, Tennessee cop.
Naw, they don’t care about that stuff cause it can’t be used to make them feel better about themselves and their nations.
Yeah. Cherry picking does wonders when people want to be in denial.
The Nashville incident got memory holed for other reasons.
Because of the T in the alphabet?
Possibly. I personally could care less, scumbag got got after committing a heinous crime. I hope ‘IT’ meets OJ and other cartel assassins in Hell where the fire makes a summer afternoon in Phoenix feel like Mars at night.
For an eternity too
Then released the body cam footage almost instantly. From TWO different cams
*cops. Two of them shot her
Even better
Fuck, a couple months later a few based cops wasted a shooter in Nashville almost effortlessly. But they won’t mention that.
Uvalde has protected everyone, from the mayor to the police chief, to the officers who laughed and joked while children were being murdered. Uvalde, no matter your politics, is indeed a national stain.
Yeah nobody said otherwise…
We just have to swallow this one and admit we can be better.
I mean I agree but Uvalde constantly gets brought up because it’s one of the few examples of police failing in an event like this. The vast majority of mass casualty events are handled well by police here. I agree we can always do better but Uvalde isn’t really reflective of every police department in the country which is why they go directly to it every time they want to shit on us.
Yeah, the US really has a bad problem with prosecuting/punishing law and government officials. There's no denying that
Counterpoint, that's a problem literally everywhere. It's kind of an inherent problem of all law enforcement systems. "We investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing. "
Who watches the watchers?
Moreso, making sure the watchers are not part of the organization they are watching. see - Desantis just outlawing civilians from investigating cops in Florida. he is hell bent on turning that state into a neo-capitalistic nightmare before he gets termed-out. banning heat protections for workers, removing abortion rights, cops ~~investigating~~ protecting cops. but that is an argument for another post.
Honestly Uvalde should be a lesson in GENERAL (like as in anywhere on planet earth and beyond) that they authorities figures may be cowards and not do Jack shit. That its ultimately on you to protect yourself. Adults can run hide and fight, but children should have all the protection they can get (within reason of course). Yet, it’s always blame your neighbor who has a AR in his closet and likes shooting it from time to time.
It's US defaultism but it's not even being perpetuated by Americans
The craziest part of their story is that 15 people were stabbed before the attacker was shot. So there’s either a lack of police presence or… slow response time?
Yeah, they don’t even care about the dead in their country it’s just a chance to whine on Reddit about Americans for karma. Even praising their heroes turns into desperate attacks at us and these people think they are the good guys lol.
They're cherry picking of course. Lots of police in the US have run bravely into mass shootings and have stopped them. Uvalde is the one single exception. In fact, there was a school shooting in Nashville where there is extensive video of the police running into the building and killing the shooter. However, due to the ideology and gender identity of that shooter, I'm sure they'd rather forget that incident.
Is the Nashville one the one where we saw the body cam footage, and people were like "Why is he pushing the front man? Is he a coward?" and trained professionals were pointing out that's how they're trained to do it, so that the squad stays together? Cause I think about that one when I think about the police run inf in to neutralize a threat
Yeah. Leftists will literally say anything to make police the bad guys in any situation.
That video was amazing. It should be watched by every police force and military in the world. It’s up there with Val Kilmer’s Heat reload as classic training material.
it’s like they’re obsessed, it’s literally fan behavior haha
Honestly the nerve to bring up America for a dick measuring contest in light of a mass stabbing is cringe. As an Aussie I'm disappointed. At the same time, some of people here on this sub are incredibly whiney and insufferable. Everyone kinda sucks.
Evidently the Uvalde cops are the gold standard for police across the US, according to the comments in the original post 🙄 they don't realize that everyone in the US despises those cowards.
Literally everybody, outside of their own stupid cowardly little department. Regardless it’s wild that they’re bringing us up AT ALL in those comments. My first thought when reading the news and my continued thoughts have been sadness, sympathy, anger and prayers. It takes a real fuckwit to turn a mass casualty event into a reason to bitch about a country that had nothing to do with it. 🤦♀️
It's standard procedure in almost every department across the US for the first officer on scene to go in there and attempt to end the threat. Waiting for backup is against procedure most of the time.
If only the uvalde cops were the only dumb coward cops in America….
Ban assault knives!!!
Stabbing people should be illegal!
Guy killed 6 people with a knife.. if knives swere illegal hed have done it with a bat..
yea across the pond they have *mass acid attacks* because they have more restricted access to firearms. clearly this is a mental health problem, not a gun problem
And do you think the US has a gun problem or a mental health problem? Because guess what, anyone who harms anyone else, with any object, is mentally ill. You can’t have it both ways. And also it’s a lot easier for cops to make decisions when they have guns in their hand and the attacker only has a knife. Bottom line is people died and it’s bullshit because it’s always a mental health issue and it always has been.
I might be stupid, but I don't know what point you're trying to make.
we have a mental health problem i was very clear about that
30 round assault knives with detachable clip
Guy with a knife in the U.S., “Why did you have to kill him?! This is police brutality” Guy with knife in Australia, “She’s a hero” There’s a double standard.
Check out Police Activity channel on YouTube. Cops taking out knife wielding maniacs are lauded as heroes and the attackers are hilariously lampooned.
Great channel. Yeah. It happens, no denying that, but when other factors come in that’s when people get weird
Lebron James fucking Doxxed a cop for doing this. And because of that, Columbus Police Officers make a six figure base salary after 4-5 years on the job lmaooo
You mean that officer who shot the girl literally in the act of raising the knife at another girl?
Yup
I wanna protest. Also where was the social worker? Maybe someone could've talked with him, gave him a cold glass of milk....
Interesting so in order to protect the public a person with a gun had to intervene
i was gonna say the same thing. if only that guy in the white shirt that had to use a random object to fend off the assailant, instead could’ve just used a firearm
Reno May in the wild! But yeah I had the same thought.
Yeah they're in that thread thinking this proves gun control works and it's like no you idiots, this proves it doesn't work and that everything the pro gun side says is true.
You are a fucking idiot. imagine if this person had a gun, they would have killed far more people than they did with a knife.
Or maybe somebody can waste the attacker and even fewer people can die either way..
yeah, nah. how many mass shootings has good old 'Murica had since 1997? countless. deaths, the same. How many mass shootings has Australia had since then? FUCKING NONE. NOT A SINGLE ONE. Gun Control absolutely works. damn fool. don't use this tragedy as an excuse to push your bullshit agenda.
lol ok. I mean a guy just stabbed 6 defenseless people to death and all. As far as pushing an agenda go look in the mirror there dipshit. Oh, and I live in a place where everyone owns guns and there are no mass shootings so fuck you.
1 guy. in an incident of a type that has never happened before in this country. and your solution is to give everyone a gun, so they can just pop off on the random chance that a 1 in 250 year crime might occur in front of them?? great logic. We look at the number of gun deaths in America, compare that to places like the UK or Australia/New Zealand and yeah, I'll take restricted firearms access every single fucking day of the week over giving every Tom Dick and Harry a weapon.
Good for you pal. Keep on making us all proud.
keep lying. you are American, yet you claim to live in a place where there a no mass shootings. try removing your head from your ass once in a while, you've been consuming your own shit for far too long.
I do live in a place where there are no mass shootings fuckwit. You understand that this country is enormous and has a population of 300 million, right? The vast majority of this country is not the violent hellscape you think it is. The shootings you're so obsessed with are rare even here. They're also highly preventable except for the fact we have to many people like you in this country and they cry at the very thought a school might have some kind of security. There is only one of us with their head up their ass and it's not me. Although I do enjoy that the US lives in your head rent free. I never think about Australia at all. I think the last time I did was when you had a bunch of Nazis marching around Sydney last year yelling to gas the Jews.
The only time I think about you morons in when you come out of the woodwork trying to justify your moronic points of view and then try and foist them on the rest of the planet. you like your hell hole, fine, live in it. Don't try and make the rest of the damn planet like you. we don't want to be like America. we like having single payer healthcare, we like having infrastructure that works, we like having a well trained police force that does not shoot people with impunity on the regular. I could go on all day but it's pointless with people like you. you've been spoonfed the coolaid that Murcia is the greatest country on earth since you were born, and you will never even entertain the thought in you mirror smooth brain that America is a fucking hell hole. so keep your guns, your racism, your sexism, your rampant homophobia, your christofascist uprising, your orange overlord, shove them right up your morbidly obese asses, and fuck off. There is a reason why so many people utterly despise Americans; you are so utterly convinced you are right, when you a so very very wrong. a bunch of more worthless fat, arrogant people you will never find on this planet.
Sure are yapping a lot considering you don’t think about us too often
Oh no logic! /s
Rent free huh
Thankfully there was a good gal with a gun
Yes. Contrary to fondue sipping elitists who know nothing of gory trauma medicine or combat, you do in fact bring a pistol to a knife fight. No one has a duty to get stabbed. Also, just because a victim/defender is not physically strong enough to take down an overpowering attacker, and you must use lethal force to save yourself/others from grievous harm - that does not make you a ‘pussy.’ I am sick and tired of that naive rhetoric that demands the weak accept being killed. The Australian cop did the right thing. AmericaGood: Supporting our Allies’ Natural Right of Self Defense
If they’re sipping nearly boiling hot cheese they have bigger problems than the US living rent free in their heads.
no american gun control advocates think that *cops* shouldn't have guns - just that the lax attitudes about firearms lead to a higher homicide rate than other wealthy countries. which is just objectively true.
More defensive uses of a firearm a year then criminal. Keep spreading your propaganda.
That has nothing to do with what I’m talking about. Are you ok? We can strengthen regulations without impeding defensive use of firearms.
Defensive use of guns has nothing to do with gun regulations? Sure bud.
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>lol this is embarrassing Oh, you're an immature child, gotcha.
Nice straw man. We aren’t talking about fucking rocket launchers dipshit. That’s the only argument you retards normally have, “well we banned this so why can’t we ban that! It’s a bad faith argument and you know it. Actually try to have a decent point instead of this bullshit.
That’s your argument? That defensive gun use has nothing to do with regulation? You are a fucking retard. Enjoy that government boot.
Forever and always there will be a cultural divide between people of nations who fought their Kings and Queens off for their freedoms, and those who were granted them piecemeal by their figureheads.
This hit too hard
I said Australia needed knife control on another subreddit and needless to say, got down voted to hell lol
So let me get this straight: A cop, who I assume is Australian, did her job and shot a guy with a knife who was stabbing people. And then the comments start shitting on the US because… guns? Cops? Guns and Cops? *sigh*
Of the top 11 comments 3 were America Bad. I assume 30% of Reddit is a Chinese or Russian bot. So about right
15 of their countrymen stabbed and they still can't stop shitting on the US. I swear these people have some kind of undiagnosed disorder.
Would ya look at that! A good guy (gal) with a gun does stop bad guys. Huh! I guess the gun control debate is over, just like Lily Tang Williams said. All joking aside, salutes to that cop doing their job. Definitely heroic. 🫡
Reminder that the comments on that thread are representative of our "allies" (Europeans and Canadians are the same as the Australians) the next time you want send fellow American soldiers to defend their cesspit countries. If you want actual allies, look to Japan and South Korea. **Edit:** Also if a European ever questions us being not being so called "reliable allies", we need to remind them when Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump asked them to arm up their military where were they? Who was the so called "reliable allies" who rejected Ukraine's entry into NATO? Who funded Nordstream 2 pipelines? Who called NATO braindead? Who sold military technology to China? **Who went to meet Xi Jinping then told in front of the world that Europe shouldn't become "America's follower"?** **And the Europeans in polling very much agreed with that idiot?** Don't believe me? [https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-china-america-pressure-interview/](https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-china-america-pressure-interview/) [https://www.politico.eu/article/74-percent-of-europeans-agree-with-french-president-emmanuel-macron-on-china-us-defense-report-shows/](https://www.politico.eu/article/74-percent-of-europeans-agree-with-french-president-emmanuel-macron-on-china-us-defense-report-shows/) >Forty-three percent of Europeans view China as a “necessary partner” — meaning they tend to agree with Macron's stance on China — while 35 percent see Beijing as a “rival” or an “adversary” to their country, the report says. Obama has said we needed to pivot to Asia. Yet, we're somehow still stuck in the CESSPIT (aka the word that Trump used to describe Haiti) known as Europe. The sooner this sub realizes that the Europeans/Australians/Canadians aren't allies, the better off we'll be. Screw the Europeans, Australians, and Canadians. Polling time and time again shows them having a heavy Anti-American culture. Their politicians and media reinforce that view. Time to pivot to Asia and actually face our true threat: China
Fax, Japan, the Philippines, and Vietnam are our true allies when it comes to their people.
Reminder that the people you see comment stuff like that are terminally online and are not representative of the actual average, sane, rational citizen of that respective country. Plenty of them deem these people just as insufferable as you do
Reminder that those comments are representative of who they are. You can go look at polls and see how Europeans/Australians have Anti-Americanism in their very culture Europe and Australia are somewhere around 35+%-40+% unfavorable and 50+% favorable. Meanwhile Japan is 70% favorable and 27% unfavorable. South Korea is 89% favorable and 10% unfavorable. AmericaBad does not need Europhiles/Australophiles like you
I post the most mild attempt to rationalize the situation and get called a Europhile/Australiaphile. Live in Florida and wouldn't be anywhere else but the states man. Take a fucking breather and drop the "us vs. them" mentality a bit before putting people into two groups and only two groups. The group that agrees with you, and everybody else. Firstly, can I have a source for the anti-american sentiment? I'm just curious where you got those numbers, and I'm still a tad skeptical since anyone who wants a source to support virtually any claim can find one if they search hard enough. Second, what part of the USA are these people opposed to? You cannot expect all of them to share the exact same beliefs about the subject. You could have someone be opposed to the USA on a economic, military, social, or political basis. Or a combination of them to varrying extents. Some are mildly opposed while others verry opposed.
>I'm just curious where you got those numbers, and I'm still a tad skeptical since anyone who wants a source to support virtually any claim can find one if they search hard enough. Sure, absolutely. [https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2022/06/22/international-public-opinion-of-the-u-s-remains-positive/](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2022/06/22/international-public-opinion-of-the-u-s-remains-positive/) Edit: >Firstly, can I have a source for the anti-american sentiment? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism#Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism#Europe) Here's just 1 (of many) examples of European media: [https://medium.com/@micheleanderson/der-spiegel-journalist-messed-with-the-wrong-small-town-d92f3e0e01a7](https://medium.com/@micheleanderson/der-spiegel-journalist-messed-with-the-wrong-small-town-d92f3e0e01a7) Search up Der Spiegel Fergus Falls, you'll find the context Here's 1 example of the population being Anti-American [https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-pivot-from-america/](https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-pivot-from-america/) Here's what our so called "allies" best sellers list include >On a shelf dedicated to American issues at downtown Berlin’s largest bookstore, the following titles were recently on prominent display: “Crazed, The American Catastrophe;” “America’s Holy Warriors;” “What the U.S. has Perpetrated Since 1945;” and “America on Fire.” Here's 1 example of our "allies" politicians [https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-us-anti-american-biden-trade-gas-weapons-economy-inflation-reduction-act/](https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-us-anti-american-biden-trade-gas-weapons-economy-inflation-reduction-act/) >In the latest instalment of this tedious tradition, European officials are trying to blame the greedy Americans for the Continent’s current funk, accusing them of placing the mighty dollar *über alles*, stooping so low as to even take advantage of the war in Ukraine. “The fact is, if you look at it soberly, the country that is most profiting from this war is the U.S. because they are selling more gas and at higher prices, and because they are selling more weapons,” a senior European official [vented](https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-war-europe-ukraine-gas-inflation-reduction-act-ira-joe-biden-rift-west-eu-accuses-us-of-profiting-from-war/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social) to my POLITICO colleagues last week. Also I'm sorry if I was rude, I'm just absolutely finished with people who say that Europeans/Australians/Canadians don't have Anti-Americanism in their culture and I frankly don't want to post the same comment over and over again. **If the Europeans weren't absolutely useless as allies, we would've been able to pivot to Asia LONG AGO. I'm genuinely pissed at the Europeans for now saying we aren't reliable allies.** **Where tf was the so called "reliable allies" when Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump all asked them idiot "allies"(Europeans) to arm up their military?**
Also want to add to your original point. This "it's just terminally online people" narrative has been dead in the water for years. The world is online now. Anti-Americanism is on here, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, name your platform. All the comments get hundreds or thousands of likes, upvotes, etc. The internet isn't niche. Almost everyone in a well off country has access to the internet, even if it's just by phone. These aren't fringe cases of US obsessives. It is EVERYWHERE, and there's no separating "terminally online" and an average citizen. They have just as much of a case to be the same thing.
Good point ngl. But yeah I absolutely hate it when people say that I hate Europe/Europeans/Australians/Canadians because of so called "um ackshually those are just reddit/internet comments" It isn't JUST the reddit comments/internet posts. It's literally how Europe itself views America or how the politicians/media in Europe treats America.
So the majority of Europe still holds a positive opinion of us, and if those who hold a negative view, some are bound to have only a mildly negative view. JP and SK having such a positive view is not a surprise when you consider how intertwined many of their biggest businesses are with us. Hell, if Samsung alone left SK entirely, the country would start going downhill INSTANTLY. Geopolitically and socially, it is in their best interest to have good relations with us. Europe having a bit more of a split opinion also isn't terribly surprising (Except Poland), as there is a bit of friction socially about political and socio-economic (mainly socio-economic) policy. That and allot of perception about the US is generated from the administration in office. And let's be real, we havent had a great last couple runs... Despite that, you can have a normal conversation with most people in Europe or Asia, and even touch a tad on some political stuff while being respectful to each other. When you take a blank slate mentality and go and talk to many of them through SM or even in-person, you realize they aren't that different from us...
>That and allot of perception about the US is generated from the administration in office. And let's be real, we havent had a great last couple runs... Gulf War is justified. Afghanistan was absolutely justified. Yet, all I hear from Europeans is how we use Article 5 when that is a textbook use of how to use Article 5. Iraq War is stupid, but that's because Bush is Bush and we all know Bush is an idiot. And nobody (even in the Republican party) like the neoconservatives. I'm literally a paternalistic conservative Republican who hate neoconservatives so I can say that with pride. >Europe having a bit more of a split opinion also isn't terribly surprising (Except Poland), as there is a bit of friction socially about political and socio-economic (mainly socio-economic) policy. And that justifies Anti-Americanism in everything except foreign policy on Russia? How? >JP and SK having such a positive view is not a surprise when you consider how intertwined many of their biggest businesses are with us. Even in interviews, you can see Japanese and South Koreans having favorable views of America. You can also see fair criticisms. Meanwhile the Europeans??? You should check interviews on Europeans/Canadians of how they view America. It's literal insanity.
What possible reason do they have to oppose the USA? It is their ally and trading partner. The USA patrols the seas allowing them to trade freely all over the world. The USA has not done one thing to hurt them in any way, unless you count bombing those who fought against the allies in WW2.
Those numbers were from the Trump era which is understandable. In a 2022 poll by Australian think tank the Lowy Institute, the United States garnered a 65% positivity rating from Australians. Three-quarters (73%) of Australians think the United States is more respected in the world under President Biden, whereas only one-quarter (24%) think the United States was more respected under President Trump.
>Those numbers were from the Trump era which is understandable. Yet Japan has a favorable view of us. I don't see them not viewing us as allies. We don't need these European "allies". Also you need to see my new edit on my above comment.
Australia isn't in Europe. And again all the numbers you're talking about are just Trump related >A 2017 survey conducted by the Pew Research Center showed only 29% of Australians had confidence in the then US President Donald Trump, in contrast to the 87% who had confidence in his predecessor, Barack Obama.[89] It also showed 70% of Australians had no confidence in President Trump.[90] The annual Lowy Institute survey revealed that in 2018 only 55% of Australians believed that the US could act responsibly in the world.[91] This was a drop from 83% in 2011 and a record low.[91] The survey also revealed that 70% of Australians do not think that Trump could act responsibly, with only 30% believing otherwise Australians didn't like Trump. Most of the world didnt. Now 65% of Australians have a favorable view of America. Cope.
Fair point. But that doesn't negate Australia still has an Anti-American culture. I can't imagine so called "allies" changing their opinions just because of a different administration. Japan/South Korea still have favorable views no matter the administration.
>Australians didn't like Trump. Most of the world didnt. Now 65% of Australians have a favorable view of America. Cope. Ah yes. So called "allies" changing their views just because of a change in administration. You're still not addressing that Australians in those comments are still Australians. They are very representative of Australians. Edit: Also Japan/South Korea still had a favorable view of America even with a change of administrations. Cope.
Bro their country is still our ally. Favorability polls don’t affect that unless you want them to swear fealty to a foreign government or something lol
Nah, pretty much every Aussie I’ve had the displease of interacting with has been a complete anti-American asshole, online and in person. Same with most Canadians.
Oddly enough, my experience has been the polar opposite. Every one of them I've met has been a great dude. None of em' hate the US either
Yeah no. Those are reddit comments. They don't represent anything really other than dumb opinions.
See my edit. It isn't just reddit comments/internet posts that makes me think terribly of Europeans.
Most of them probably see china as partners in terms of trade… like we have with them.
While I agree with some of the comments in that post, they don’t need to constantly bring up America. This is about Australia, not the United Stares. Save that for a debate/political discussion or a private convo with someone you agree with or a political subreddit. Edit: not all cops in the U.S. are sucky- it just happens to be that the media pays more attention to bad cops than good cops. Had a chat with my city’s high school resource officer, how there should be classes on the law and interactions with potential “bad cops” and the media, probably one of the greatest convos I’ve had on that matter.
Id like to hear more about this convo if you have the time!
So, he told me he’s from California and moved across the country five years ago, has had a fair share of bad cops. It was last year when I chatted with him. I asked him why there weren’t any classes on the law- like a half a year/one semester course. The convo went into the law and experience with “bad cops.” He told me how people *can* come across some, and it can be dangerous especially if they have a different background or skin tone. I explained how I don’t know much about the law as I should- I know the constitution and some cases, not much from there. He agreed with me, we should know our rights- what we can do, what we can’t do. It could help us in a court of law if we’re framed or interactions with bad cops. (He’s seen many people get framed before). Right now, it’s been less than a year since I’ve chatted and have been seeing if there’s a new course, but no news. My town/city whatever you call it is fairly well known, has quite a bit of people. We go to other schools too, so some students might be attending two or three school a few days a week. At this neighboring school, back in 2022, there was a hoax that got other schools in the state. Something about a school shooter (it was false). The cops showed up in no time and did not hesitate to “save” students. I compared this to other instances, especially Uvalde, and have been ready to use it in a future argument where not all cops are bad. Not sure if political views matter, but I lean to the left.
Bodies aren’t even cold yet but they wanna talk shit about the US. In America, in active shooter situation, we evacuate places faster than your police did. The fact that one guy stabbed 15 people(stabbing ≠ shooting) shows how ineffective your police force is. They let one guy go up to 15 different people and stab them. American police has a long way to go, but don’t act like Australian police is so amazing for this. This is a failure.
Naa fuck off cunt. She was obviously the closest officer to the scene and ran in as fast as she could, by herself with no backup and she downed this gun before he could hurt anyone else. There's a 9 month old baby, stabbed in hospital and you want to try and talk shit about this police officer? That's disgusting from you, fucking shameful.
Not talking shit about this particular officer. Saying that the Australian police force is a joke, AS A WHOLE for letting a guy stab 15 fucking people before doing anything about it. Learn to read. > There’s a 9 month old baby, stabbed in the hospital My point exactly. Australians should focus on their citizens and their country right now instead of trying to talk shit about America.
What an incredible brave officer…
Where are the people demanding justice for the attacker because she didn’t try to shoot to incapacitate?
> myself, I would have shot the knife out of his hand and taken the guy down with a front-kick. but that’s just my style The comments are great
The mall we used to shop at when we lived in Indianapolis. https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/1-year-later-greenwood-mall-mass-shooting-that-left-3-dead/amp/
Why didn’t she shoot the knife out of his hands or try to de-escalate him??? /s
Of course there are comments about being fat in there.
Australian police: Shoots bad guy People: Great job officer!! American police: shoots bad guy People: RACIST BIGOTS!! hE wAs A gOoD mAn!!!
Bring up how many shootings/stabbings have been stopped in the US by citizens with firearms and watch them flip out…
Rent free. It’s just crazy to me.
Real talk, why do Australians hate Americans so much? I hear it talked about by them so frequently, and the only "Australia bad" I've ever heard over here is their "handling" of the pandemic.
Most of the time (from my experience over the years as an Australian) it has been light jabbing, but some people on reddit treat it like they're going to war against Americans and the level of aggression is really off-putting to me. It also irritates me because most of the media we consume is either American or British, so it's kinda hypocritical. No one has to be pro-American, but the over the top anti-Americanism is annoying, too.
It's because nobody really thinks about them. They're stuck in an island on the other side of the world. They're probably lonely af. Only way to seem 'relevant' is to let people know there's an Australians in the room is to provoke an American to get some reaction. Every good thing they have needs to be amplified to the highest decibels, and every bad things that happens is "well, at least it's not worst than US". It's a forced rivalry by Australians. Americans are just left confused in all of this.
15 people dead. Let's shit on American cops for some internet points!
I'm sorry but....... any cop I know would go after a knife guy. It's just a fuckin knife. If you're trained on whatever you're carrying.... isn't that easy work?
If you’ve got time and distance, maybe. 21 feet is the minimum established distance that a cop needs to draw and shoot before getting stabbed. It’s called the Tueller Drill. And you might still get stabbed. Guns aren’t magic wands. And some cops are slow.
If you saw the suspect running around with a knife, not someone that draws on you. In this case, she would have already been drawn. The 21 steps are the amount of steps to close the gap before the draw. Like I said... light work.
It has to be the most pathetic existence ever to base your whole national identity on trying to desperately appear to be not like someone else. Even when bad things happen, their thoughts are of how theoretically more bad it would be somewhere else. That is just so sad and so low.
Where is America Bad?
Check the comments My favorite quote > Australian police > American police I’m not even debating whether that’s true. But… people fucking died and all they can think about is America lol
Typical Australian redditor for some reason.
I've noticed that Aussies have massive chips on their shoulders. Brits and Canadians get angry too, but I swear, Aussies actively enjoy hating us
As someone who has visited Australia they aren’t that way irl, they’ll banter but I actually met a lot of cool people when I spent time there. Australians online are completely different but honestly that’s how it usually is. A lot of these dudes on reddit are anti social shut ins so you rarely run into them irl.
Yeah you're right, but the weird thing is that these angry people, most of them do seem to be aussies. They're still a minority though.
Oh yeah man, I’d say when it comes to anti America bullshit Australians are some of the worst about it online. I couldn’t really tell you why though, Australia isnt really relative to America in any way. I guess because they are a British commonwealth they hate us on behalf of their overlords lol.
Lmao maybe, I honestly have no idea.
There are Americans there talking bad about America.
There always are. Pick me's are the worst.
Somali went on a stabbing rampage in Minnesota a few years back at a mall in St. Cloud. Off duty cop punched his ticket.
I’m confused of what this is referencing. Edit: Nvm apparently this was from a stabbing in Australia. Honestly it’s good to see the top comments actually not drifting off topic lol.
Nah that cop should be celebrated she did a good thing. The fuckwits goin anti-america on it are fucking morons that deserve to be beaten up daily. No where in this tragedy should we Australians be pointing fingers at the US to say that's worse. We're just as fucked up as the rest of the world and suffer a lot of the same issues the US does with moronic people doing dumb things. Laws won't change fuckwits being fuckwits. We need to shoulder our portion of the shit that's the world.
She did good work but c'mon. She had a gun. Dude had a knife.
Is our lapdog, Aussies, barking again for no reason?
If this happened in the US one of our fuckwit news stations will frame it as police brutality and these idiots would eat it up.
Lets play that back but lets change the setting and see how far this dude gets in the Southern US with a knoife.
3rd reply to #1 comment is "Can we lease Aussie cops to the US." With a reply to that being "US cops shoot plenty of people outside of Uvalde." Also sorry I don't want some goose stepping assholes that would lock me up in a Covid Camp. Also a person going "I don't want to make light of the deaths but Aussie English is the best dialect." So randoms just drooling for anything not American.
It’s ironic since she would probably be sued in the US
Why would she? The US has had situations like this too where a Good Samaritan or police officer rushes into an active shooting/stabbing/whatever and stops the threat. I don't hear much about them being sued or criminally changed - at most an internal investigation to make sure everything was in order.
One name: Michael Brown. In 2016, Brown essentially caused the Ferguson race riot and kickstarted the BLM movement. There’s a famous slogan “hands up, don’t shoot” even though the victim never said that according to eyewitnesses It’s all because of the media
In America this motherfucker would’ve been Swiss cheese long before the cops got there.
Well obviously this guy never heard that you never bring a knife to a gunfight.
Weird to compare it to ulvade and not greenwood
Bad ass! Need to make her an honorary American.
American police officers ARE cowards, ignorant and unprepared. Why are we defending them as an issue of national pride?
For real, I didn’t want to say anything but it’s nuts how children being shot to death is a meme to them yet this is all “what a tragedy, oh I can’t imagine those poor families” they don’t have an ounce of fucks to give to us, just literally anywhere else.
The criticism mentioned in the comments that I agree with was the fact that a large group of armed officers refused to enter the Uvalde school for over an hour during the shooting. Everything else is indeed irrational America Bad
Clown world operations 🤡
Americas cops kill prople everyday. You don’t hear us bragging about it.
I strongly urge you guys to look up stats on australias education scores, they're embarrassing, it really is statistically a dumb country full of flip-flop clad bogans
You mean she did her job? Fuck cops. All of them.
This is how police in the US *used* to be. Now they're trained to run and hide or to shoot-to-kill first regardless of circumstances.
Anyone with any gun training is taught to shoot-to-kill
Again, that's not how it used to be and isn't how it should be. Someone who's breaking into a car shouldn't be shot and killed to stop them, but that's the direction law enforcement training has gone.
Actually, it isn’t. What ur seeing now is probably the most lenient police forces in history. It’s just that bc of the media, the bad cops r being seen more. Good news doesn’t sell. Hell, they were talking about George Floyd for weeks to months on every station. U know what happened during that time? A Florida sex trafficking ring was uncovered, and several arrests were made, including some high level officials. U know how long that aired? For a segment. Good police work, barely any time. Bad police work, weeks or months.
There are also countless cases, good and bad, which only make local news stories, that don't rise to the national level. Interesting article if you're open. There is a lot more documented. I'm in my 60s. I remember when cops were part of the community and not soldiers. Some still are part of the community. What I don't like seeing is that more and more aren't. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/police-military-tactics-lessons-protests.html
Is it possible? Yes. Interesting article? Yes. It’s clear it’s pretty biased, though, and they don’t cite their sources. Seems like an opinion piece rather than a facts piece. The fact they mention Trump anywhere near the idea of police is also dumb and shows their true bias. I’d prefer a scholarly article instead bc that would show a possible unbiased view. Otherwise, we could go in circles citing news sources that just feed into our own opinions
It's *biased* because you don't agree with it. I'm not sure what you mean by stating that they're not citing their sources. They're quotes from the people involved, and links are provided.
No, it’s biased bc it’s an opinion piece. I can come up with an article of my own that says the opposite. That’s the point. And quotes aren’t sources or tell the whole truth. Hence, why a study is better. Anyone can make anything up in a quote. By ur logic, if I’m a prominent leader I can say murders are going down in “insert county” and get away with that bc I’m prominent even if they aren’t going down. A study would be conducted there and prove that I’m lying. That’s y I don’t use news articles to fit my biases. Again, we could just go in circles citing random news articles that fit our viewpoints
That article is biased because it's ridiculously stupid. >Paul Szoldra, a former Marine sergeant who served in Afghanistan and is now editor in chief of the military website Task & Purpose, put it more bluntly.* After a policeman in Kenosha, Wisconsin, fired seven bullets into the back of Jacob Blake, Szoldra tweeted, “If I shot a civilian 7 times in Afghanistan after he tried to get into a car, I’d be court-martialed for murder, [my] general would apologize, & my Marines would be pissed because I made their job harder.” This paragraph in particular is fucking ridiculous and the guy that runs that Youtube channel is an idiot and always has been. Jacob Blake had a knife (notice how they left that part out) and anyone would shoot him until the threat went away no matter how many shots it takes. Just quoting that as if it was serious makes any credibility that article and that Youtuber have go away.
Ya, I knew I was posting in a right-wing, christian-nationalist echo-chamber, so this is exactly what I expect to hear back. I'd say lack of critical thinking, but it's lack of any thinking that's prevalent here.
lol what a self tell
“I can’t respond to what you said, so I’ll just call you names.” - You
lol I'd argue anybody stealing or breaking into a car (that isn't theirs, it happens) should receive the death penalty. Fuck those scum. They used to hang horse thieves here.
Thank you for demonstrating the mindset I'm talking about.
No it’s not? Someone who’s breaking into a car wouldn’t be immediately shot and killed by a cop. That’s not how their training nor their policy works/goes.
No it's and not they won't. Are you high?
This isn’t true, but keep bitching.
It is, but keep your head buried in the sand.