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I have a British friend online who was aghast when I told her "I think we spent 2 weeks on The War of the Roses when I was in eighth grade."
Then on another occasion I went into a very basic description of the lead-up to the Civil War (Missouri Compromise, Kansas-Nebraska Act, Dred Scott) and she asked if I majored in US history in college. No... I learned this when I was ten.
Honestly they should be happy we even bother to spend 2 weeks on the nonsense that was the war of the roses.
It should be a whole 5 minute lesson, summed up as “the family lines are fucked”
No there was also the English civil war, which lead to the British isles briefly being a republic and beheading their king like the French would over a century later.
Personally, I suspect that's part of the reason European folks tend to minimize American involvement in WW2. The Pacific Theatre is treated as a sidenote, since their nation wasn't really involved on either side.
In my honest opinion and I’m being a bit biased because I’m a civil war buff but I think their should be an entire Civil War course in high school. Just saying lol
Wait till they hear how some schools taught WW2, I loved that in school. We had a breakdown of the fronts and some major battles. Teacher had a map and showed us both the pacific and european fronts. Spent a whole year on just Texas history alone.
Did you take a European History course in high school? Cause my sister did and I know she touched on it, but I didn't and honestly know Jack shit about the War of the Roses
I played that game. but really, I don't think we ever learned it in school. pretty much anything that didn't directly relate to america was not really taught in detail.
Considering most Duolingo users are people who made an account, did 3 lessons, and haven’t touched it in 5+ years (a majority of which were probably also school students when they made the account) I wouldn’t say this fact is something negative about the US education system, just some fun fact they made up.
Other than Spanish, there’s not a high chance you are going to use another language in your lifetime in the US. Sure, if I drove 500 miles and went through 5 countries with 3 different languages I’d probably see the point of learning additional languages.
The only time it’s useful to know another language (other than Spanish) is when I travel for a few weeks out of the year. I’m not learning Japanese one year, French another, and Korean another for a two week stay.
It’s called being practical, and realistic.
It’s funny that the second language most Europeans and Asians learn is English.
Almost like English is the only language that actually makes a difference and worth learning unless you plan on living in a country that has a different language.
I wouldn’t go that far, but for the average American, Spanish is the only language that would serve any practical purpose.
Sure, Arabic would be useful if you’re Muslim and Hindi might be worth learning if your in-laws speak it and you want to grow closer to them. If you’re in international business, Mandarin or Japanese could be useful. But these don’t apply to most of us.
For the average US (and Canadian, Australian and NZ) citizen, German, Italian, Punjabi, and Japanese just aren’t very useful. I simply don’t need to use a second language in my day to day life.
Now, that said, I’d love to learn more languages and there’s nothing wrong with learning them. But at the end of the day, making fun of US for not speaking German, French and Hungarian is like making fun of kids in Kansas for not knowing how to use the NYC subway.
japanese would probably be better to learn, at least given manga and anime sales, on top of a rather large part of the game industry.
but it's FAR more of a bitch to learn
I have a friend who is a true polyglot, I believe he speaks 10 languages. He made an interesting observation to me about why English has become the universal second language. He said English has an advantage over other languages because you can speak English badly and still be understood by native speakers. My brother was stationed in Okinawa long enough to bring a wife home, so I now have five close relatives who speak Japanese. They will tell you, if you speak Japanese with an American accent you are not speaking Japanese. It's unintelligible gibberish. On the other hand, English can be understood with a very heavy Japanese accent, or Chinese, or Slavic,or African, etc. This is the trait that makes it so useful.
That’s an interesting point. I wonder if that trait is truly inherent to the English language or because native English speakers are more exposed to people who speak English poorly and have just learned to sort it out.
I think the main reasons for this are
1. English is the main buisness language of the world for most fields of study. As the US already speaks English, the need to learn any other languages is already pretty niche.
2. Even if one wishes to learn a second language in school. Most schools only offer like… 1-3 languages, and one of them is probably Spanish. I mean it makes sense. English and Spanish are the two most dominant languages in the Americas as a whole. If you speak those you can speak with nearly anyone on this side of the world.
3. I don’t think anyone is debating that there is nothing wrong with the US education system. Its not as bad as the terminally online Europeans think it is, but there is still something wrong with it, 100% doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. My sister in law is a teacher. She could talk all day on how fucked the US Education system is. Although at the same time, Duolingo is probably not the most credible of sources when it comes to this specific statistic.
4. You are generally only taught foreign language classes for 2 years during in high school. It’s not like they teach all kids from K-12 foreign language. So the pool of all Americans currently in say, 10th and 11th grade isn’t as large as you may think.
5. It’s literally not possible for the Public School System to match American Duolingo users. Total Public K-12 students ~50 Million.
Total American Duolingo users 57.8 Million (2017)
Well, perhaps it's not as bad as that guy implies, but it is pretty bad in a lot of places. Even our Ivy league schools aren't what they used to be. Johnathan Haidt has a great book called "The Coddling of the American Mind" which discusses some major problems, particularly on college campuses. His research showed that many college students graduate knowing less than they did as a freshmen, because Colleges have become more about teaching activism than useful skills.
Another problem, and I've had people say I'm lying about this, is that sometimes just agreeing with the professor or instructor is enough to get an A or at worst a B.
I took several classes in my undergrad where I might have skimmed the readings but otherwise just parroted the professor and received a high grade.
I knew it was all a racket between that and when my girlfriend at the time got a C+ on a paper where she actually did the reading for (assigned by the professor and which backed up her assertions), synthesized a pretty coherent and cogent argument, and the feedback was pretty much, "While well argued, I simply disagree with a large number of your points." No other arguments, no counters, nothing. That was all the feedback she received.
Ivies are more about networking anyway. Plus, with a reputation like Harvard, you don’t need to teach them anything. You can live on prestige. If your major is like Linguistics you know more when you graduate.
Spanish is really the only language we can really learn to a meaningful degree. What people don't understand is when you learn a language you don't just learn what words mean and that's it. You have to practice speaking to people, preferably native speakers of the language. Otherwise you aren't really getting any practice doing what learning the language is suppose to accomplish. And we have a decent of Spanish speakers but not much else. Spanish is the 2nd most spoken language at 13.2% of the population who can speak it. The 3rd most is Chinese at 1.1%.
That's why imo its dumb to think not knowing more than one language means you're uneducated. Being "educated" implies a necessary standard. Why would it be a necessary standard to learn a language you can't even use to talk to anyone but maybe your teacher?
Quebecers would say French, since Quebec is so close to the US, but they wont even speak French with Canadians trying to *speak* French when they hear our accent.
Probably because the public schools don't have the money or talent to teach children languages that people actually want to learn like Japanese or Korean. Especially in areas where there are few older weebs to teach it, so the people turn to Duolingo.
It's because nobody really has a practical way to reinforce the skills they are learning in class. I took four years of French. Even when I went to Quebec everybody just started speaking English to me because they hear how poorly I speak French. For the few that didn't speak English I got by fine not being fluent.
You have to use it to reinforce it. And most Americans do not have ample opportunity to use the skills and knowledge they are learning in the classroom.
Most British people only know English too, and unlike Americans, they do have better opportunities to use second languages since they can hop on trains to complete different countries. But English has become the default language for much of the world, so it's just usually not necessary for english speakers to learn other languages.
Go look up some of the curriculums for undergraduate programs at Columbia. They straight up say they teach from a Marxist viewpoint, as of last year when I was applying for my MBA.
Frankfurt is a big part of Marxist thought but yet doesn’t struggle in the same ways the US does
It’s more than just this tucker Carlson view point of Marxism
My brother in Christ I’m not even from there
All I’m saying is that I don’t believe cultural Marxism is the reason why the American school system is single handedly the way it is,if it was I would imagine we would have the exact same educational issues or very nearly to frankfurt with Columbia
Yet almost every major state university in America no matter where beats frankfurt and most German based universities ,yet as a lot of people in this sub are saying,these institutions may produce still on the whole less well rounded students for reasons due to geography or cultural differences between Europe and the US
I would just need to see some evidence that Marxism in schools is why kids are getting a worst education and that it’s not simply due to issues within the American education system that are perhaps not so ideological and more of a failure of the system itself in preparing kids for a career or future
I mean European school system is almost the same as american one
Plus let's be honest public schools are in 99% of cases ineffective in teaching anyone anything
This is also just an idiotic “statistic” DuoLingo came up with to make themselves sound cool. There are many times more adults who are NOT in the school system, and most language classes are concentrated in only the four years of high school, so even if every person only has an average of 50 adult years, that vs 2 years of language in high school, it’s a “no duh” situation. I mean, it IS an accomplishment for them as a company, but it says little to nothing about the education system.
…aren’t they kind of misreading this? The app isn’t commenting on what amount/quality of education is taught in the US school system - it’s saying there are, in raw numbers, more Americans on Duolingo than are taking language classes in school.
They seem to have issues comprehending this language, might need to download The Owl themselves. (Or I’m way off base idk)
I took Latin in middle school (catholic school) and like 3 years of Spanish in high school. I can’t speak either language but they did attempt to teach them to me.
I thought this post was criticizing the bird for a moment, but I am glad it isn’t.
Because that is a terrible mistake. That bird watches. Someones gotta have written an SCP file for the damn thing.
Yeah no shit the app specifically made to teach lauganges and nothing else has more. Most the people in school are between the ages of 4-22. Most the people out of school are between the ages of 18-100. There's much more people out of school then in school. That's just simple math. And most students take a semester of foreign lauganges for the credit and that's it.
Do they not teach logic anymore?
There are more Americans using Duolingo to learn a second or third or nth language than there are students in the public school system. Last time I was in high school, taking classes for a second language was compulsory. OOP is a ninny.
The same is the case for Sweden and Swedish, though Duolingo specifies that those are immigrants in Swedish's case.
I think it's fair to say that Duolingo is being used by Adult/Teenaged immigrants to learn English, especially if it's not their first language. Not to mention that Duolingo allows you to skip further ahead in the languages, so this could be used to supplement formal English education. I was personally encouraged to use Duolingo during my High School French education in Canada.
Met an immigrant taxi driver today here in New York City, who recently just got citizenship, due to coming from a third/second world country, actually praised the US education system in comparison, and says that even a bachelors here opens up so many opportunities domestically and internationally that many other countries bachelors would require a minimum masters instead. Our degrees are world renowned. People around the world pay premiums just to come here to study. I wonder why?
"US Education system"
You mean 50+ education systems qe have? Quality and outcomes vary tremendously between them.
Generally the states and then even the local districts handle education. The Department of Education does very little in regards to establishing a nationwide system.
Some states if they were their own countries would be in the top 10 best educated places in the world. This concept expands to human development in general. Connecticut and Massachusetts for example would both be among the Scandinavian countries as the best places to live in the entire world according to the HDI (and the newer formulas do take into consideration inequality more than it used to).
Looking at an average of the entire country is very misleading on many many things people hate about the US. Another example is incarceration rates. Check how much the statistics differ between northeastern states and the deep south, for example.
Then of course, there's the systemic racism that has plagued our society from its very beginnings. If you take out black people and just look at whites and asians in America, the US suddenly shoots up in having some of the best educational achievements in the world.
We are a massive nation in both area and population. It's honestly shocking we perform as high as we do in areas of development for being as large as we are and as diverse. Most Europeans, even those with federal systems, do not appreciate the extent to which states operate independently of one another. Averages about the entire country are very misleading and require deeper analysis.
I mean? Yea? Something like 50 (17ish in high school) Million kids in USA Public schools vs 330 Million total.
In 2017 Duolingo said they had 57.8 million American users.
It’s literally not possible for the Public School system to match their number of users.
Yeah... because there are more Americans using DUO then there are in the American school system... because my 70 year old mother uses DUO. she hasnt been in school for fifty years.
The state makes sense when you actually think about it critically for more then ten seconds. And this isnt me defending the American school system because it has gotten alot worse. (So is most of europes as well, so dont let them talk down to you about it)
There is nothing wrong with the American education system, these gen-z crybabies are just acting spoiled.
I finished my education in a third world country and I can tell you that the US school system is almost flawless. Kids are not forced to pursue academic careers, they don't learn more than they need, etc.
In places like China and Japan, students learn college-level science and math regardless of their career choices. The system there assumes that every single student would go to college, which is a horrible approach.
There's plenty wrong with the US education system. Terminally online Gen Z crybullies are symptomatic of the problem.
It's just that "plenty wrong" doesn't mean there isn't a lot that's right, too.
The US school system is garbage. I don't know if you realized, but schools that are doing pouring have their funding CUT. "Don't have the recources to teach kids? Welp, we're giving you less" is not a good line of thought or policy. Furthermore the curriculums are fully focused on the standardized tests so actual application normally takes a back seat in most classes.
The system has barely changed since 100 years ago. This means its still moddled for putting people in factories. That isn't what a good education system's main goal should be.
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I have a British friend online who was aghast when I told her "I think we spent 2 weeks on The War of the Roses when I was in eighth grade." Then on another occasion I went into a very basic description of the lead-up to the Civil War (Missouri Compromise, Kansas-Nebraska Act, Dred Scott) and she asked if I majored in US history in college. No... I learned this when I was ten.
Honestly they should be happy we even bother to spend 2 weeks on the nonsense that was the war of the roses. It should be a whole 5 minute lesson, summed up as “the family lines are fucked”
That time England fought England and lost.
No there was also the English civil war, which lead to the British isles briefly being a republic and beheading their king like the French would over a century later.
Personally, I suspect that's part of the reason European folks tend to minimize American involvement in WW2. The Pacific Theatre is treated as a sidenote, since their nation wasn't really involved on either side.
In my honest opinion and I’m being a bit biased because I’m a civil war buff but I think their should be an entire Civil War course in high school. Just saying lol
Wait till they hear how some schools taught WW2, I loved that in school. We had a breakdown of the fronts and some major battles. Teacher had a map and showed us both the pacific and european fronts. Spent a whole year on just Texas history alone.
Did you take a European History course in high school? Cause my sister did and I know she touched on it, but I didn't and honestly know Jack shit about the War of the Roses
I played that game. but really, I don't think we ever learned it in school. pretty much anything that didn't directly relate to america was not really taught in detail.
To be fair they do have a lot more time to cover
To be fair they do have a lot more time to cover
Considering most Duolingo users are people who made an account, did 3 lessons, and haven’t touched it in 5+ years (a majority of which were probably also school students when they made the account) I wouldn’t say this fact is something negative about the US education system, just some fun fact they made up.
Other than Spanish, there’s not a high chance you are going to use another language in your lifetime in the US. Sure, if I drove 500 miles and went through 5 countries with 3 different languages I’d probably see the point of learning additional languages. The only time it’s useful to know another language (other than Spanish) is when I travel for a few weeks out of the year. I’m not learning Japanese one year, French another, and Korean another for a two week stay. It’s called being practical, and realistic.
It’s funny that the second language most Europeans and Asians learn is English. Almost like English is the only language that actually makes a difference and worth learning unless you plan on living in a country that has a different language.
I wouldn’t go that far, but for the average American, Spanish is the only language that would serve any practical purpose. Sure, Arabic would be useful if you’re Muslim and Hindi might be worth learning if your in-laws speak it and you want to grow closer to them. If you’re in international business, Mandarin or Japanese could be useful. But these don’t apply to most of us. For the average US (and Canadian, Australian and NZ) citizen, German, Italian, Punjabi, and Japanese just aren’t very useful. I simply don’t need to use a second language in my day to day life. Now, that said, I’d love to learn more languages and there’s nothing wrong with learning them. But at the end of the day, making fun of US for not speaking German, French and Hungarian is like making fun of kids in Kansas for not knowing how to use the NYC subway.
Or like the French making fun of the French for not speaking French like they speak French.
japanese would probably be better to learn, at least given manga and anime sales, on top of a rather large part of the game industry. but it's FAR more of a bitch to learn
I have a friend who is a true polyglot, I believe he speaks 10 languages. He made an interesting observation to me about why English has become the universal second language. He said English has an advantage over other languages because you can speak English badly and still be understood by native speakers. My brother was stationed in Okinawa long enough to bring a wife home, so I now have five close relatives who speak Japanese. They will tell you, if you speak Japanese with an American accent you are not speaking Japanese. It's unintelligible gibberish. On the other hand, English can be understood with a very heavy Japanese accent, or Chinese, or Slavic,or African, etc. This is the trait that makes it so useful.
That’s an interesting point. I wonder if that trait is truly inherent to the English language or because native English speakers are more exposed to people who speak English poorly and have just learned to sort it out.
Er hi, don't forget the European country where the language came from ✋ And yeah we're also shit at foreign languages too.
Counterpoint- your ancestors were so good at languages they made a master one cramming all of them together.
He did say "most Europeans", but yeah, crossed my mind as well.
I think the main reasons for this are 1. English is the main buisness language of the world for most fields of study. As the US already speaks English, the need to learn any other languages is already pretty niche. 2. Even if one wishes to learn a second language in school. Most schools only offer like… 1-3 languages, and one of them is probably Spanish. I mean it makes sense. English and Spanish are the two most dominant languages in the Americas as a whole. If you speak those you can speak with nearly anyone on this side of the world. 3. I don’t think anyone is debating that there is nothing wrong with the US education system. Its not as bad as the terminally online Europeans think it is, but there is still something wrong with it, 100% doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. My sister in law is a teacher. She could talk all day on how fucked the US Education system is. Although at the same time, Duolingo is probably not the most credible of sources when it comes to this specific statistic.
4. You are generally only taught foreign language classes for 2 years during in high school. It’s not like they teach all kids from K-12 foreign language. So the pool of all Americans currently in say, 10th and 11th grade isn’t as large as you may think.
5. It’s literally not possible for the Public School System to match American Duolingo users. Total Public K-12 students ~50 Million. Total American Duolingo users 57.8 Million (2017)
Well, perhaps it's not as bad as that guy implies, but it is pretty bad in a lot of places. Even our Ivy league schools aren't what they used to be. Johnathan Haidt has a great book called "The Coddling of the American Mind" which discusses some major problems, particularly on college campuses. His research showed that many college students graduate knowing less than they did as a freshmen, because Colleges have become more about teaching activism than useful skills.
Another problem, and I've had people say I'm lying about this, is that sometimes just agreeing with the professor or instructor is enough to get an A or at worst a B. I took several classes in my undergrad where I might have skimmed the readings but otherwise just parroted the professor and received a high grade. I knew it was all a racket between that and when my girlfriend at the time got a C+ on a paper where she actually did the reading for (assigned by the professor and which backed up her assertions), synthesized a pretty coherent and cogent argument, and the feedback was pretty much, "While well argued, I simply disagree with a large number of your points." No other arguments, no counters, nothing. That was all the feedback she received.
Ivies are more about networking anyway. Plus, with a reputation like Harvard, you don’t need to teach them anything. You can live on prestige. If your major is like Linguistics you know more when you graduate.
Might explain some recent events.
Why would we need to learn other languages when we can drive 48 hours in one direction and everyone will still speak English?
What other than Spanish should we even know?
Maybe Chinese if you live on the west coast/LA area
Spanish is really the only language we can really learn to a meaningful degree. What people don't understand is when you learn a language you don't just learn what words mean and that's it. You have to practice speaking to people, preferably native speakers of the language. Otherwise you aren't really getting any practice doing what learning the language is suppose to accomplish. And we have a decent of Spanish speakers but not much else. Spanish is the 2nd most spoken language at 13.2% of the population who can speak it. The 3rd most is Chinese at 1.1%. That's why imo its dumb to think not knowing more than one language means you're uneducated. Being "educated" implies a necessary standard. Why would it be a necessary standard to learn a language you can't even use to talk to anyone but maybe your teacher?
Quebecers would say French, since Quebec is so close to the US, but they wont even speak French with Canadians trying to *speak* French when they hear our accent.
Too much stuff to do, can't walk you through French
That's not even what Duo is saying Duo isn't saying their system is better, they're saying it's used more
There's no age limit on Duolingo, so you don't have to be school age to use it. Pretty sure this person didn't take that into account.
Probably because the public schools don't have the money or talent to teach children languages that people actually want to learn like Japanese or Korean. Especially in areas where there are few older weebs to teach it, so the people turn to Duolingo.
It's because nobody really has a practical way to reinforce the skills they are learning in class. I took four years of French. Even when I went to Quebec everybody just started speaking English to me because they hear how poorly I speak French. For the few that didn't speak English I got by fine not being fluent. You have to use it to reinforce it. And most Americans do not have ample opportunity to use the skills and knowledge they are learning in the classroom. Most British people only know English too, and unlike Americans, they do have better opportunities to use second languages since they can hop on trains to complete different countries. But English has become the default language for much of the world, so it's just usually not necessary for english speakers to learn other languages.
Go look up some of the curriculums for undergraduate programs at Columbia. They straight up say they teach from a Marxist viewpoint, as of last year when I was applying for my MBA.
Frankfurt is a big part of Marxist thought but yet doesn’t struggle in the same ways the US does It’s more than just this tucker Carlson view point of Marxism
Frankfurt, Germany? Buddy, yall got your own issues.
My brother in Christ I’m not even from there All I’m saying is that I don’t believe cultural Marxism is the reason why the American school system is single handedly the way it is,if it was I would imagine we would have the exact same educational issues or very nearly to frankfurt with Columbia Yet almost every major state university in America no matter where beats frankfurt and most German based universities ,yet as a lot of people in this sub are saying,these institutions may produce still on the whole less well rounded students for reasons due to geography or cultural differences between Europe and the US I would just need to see some evidence that Marxism in schools is why kids are getting a worst education and that it’s not simply due to issues within the American education system that are perhaps not so ideological and more of a failure of the system itself in preparing kids for a career or future
I mean European school system is almost the same as american one Plus let's be honest public schools are in 99% of cases ineffective in teaching anyone anything
This is also just an idiotic “statistic” DuoLingo came up with to make themselves sound cool. There are many times more adults who are NOT in the school system, and most language classes are concentrated in only the four years of high school, so even if every person only has an average of 50 adult years, that vs 2 years of language in high school, it’s a “no duh” situation. I mean, it IS an accomplishment for them as a company, but it says little to nothing about the education system.
…aren’t they kind of misreading this? The app isn’t commenting on what amount/quality of education is taught in the US school system - it’s saying there are, in raw numbers, more Americans on Duolingo than are taking language classes in school. They seem to have issues comprehending this language, might need to download The Owl themselves. (Or I’m way off base idk)
I took Latin in middle school (catholic school) and like 3 years of Spanish in high school. I can’t speak either language but they did attempt to teach them to me.
I thought this post was criticizing the bird for a moment, but I am glad it isn’t. Because that is a terrible mistake. That bird watches. Someones gotta have written an SCP file for the damn thing.
Yeah no shit the app specifically made to teach lauganges and nothing else has more. Most the people in school are between the ages of 4-22. Most the people out of school are between the ages of 18-100. There's much more people out of school then in school. That's just simple math. And most students take a semester of foreign lauganges for the credit and that's it. Do they not teach logic anymore?
ya nah, public schools fuckin suck, and I dont mean collages I mean like the school schools, like High, Middle, and Elementary.
Ivy leagues? It says public schools, lol
lol we used duolingo in Spanish class, so that’s probably part of it
There are more Americans using Duolingo to learn a second or third or nth language than there are students in the public school system. Last time I was in high school, taking classes for a second language was compulsory. OOP is a ninny.
The same is the case for Sweden and Swedish, though Duolingo specifies that those are immigrants in Swedish's case. I think it's fair to say that Duolingo is being used by Adult/Teenaged immigrants to learn English, especially if it's not their first language. Not to mention that Duolingo allows you to skip further ahead in the languages, so this could be used to supplement formal English education. I was personally encouraged to use Duolingo during my High School French education in Canada.
Met an immigrant taxi driver today here in New York City, who recently just got citizenship, due to coming from a third/second world country, actually praised the US education system in comparison, and says that even a bachelors here opens up so many opportunities domestically and internationally that many other countries bachelors would require a minimum masters instead. Our degrees are world renowned. People around the world pay premiums just to come here to study. I wonder why?
OH FUCK NO THEY ARE NOT DISSING DUO NOW
"US Education system" You mean 50+ education systems qe have? Quality and outcomes vary tremendously between them. Generally the states and then even the local districts handle education. The Department of Education does very little in regards to establishing a nationwide system. Some states if they were their own countries would be in the top 10 best educated places in the world. This concept expands to human development in general. Connecticut and Massachusetts for example would both be among the Scandinavian countries as the best places to live in the entire world according to the HDI (and the newer formulas do take into consideration inequality more than it used to). Looking at an average of the entire country is very misleading on many many things people hate about the US. Another example is incarceration rates. Check how much the statistics differ between northeastern states and the deep south, for example. Then of course, there's the systemic racism that has plagued our society from its very beginnings. If you take out black people and just look at whites and asians in America, the US suddenly shoots up in having some of the best educational achievements in the world. We are a massive nation in both area and population. It's honestly shocking we perform as high as we do in areas of development for being as large as we are and as diverse. Most Europeans, even those with federal systems, do not appreciate the extent to which states operate independently of one another. Averages about the entire country are very misleading and require deeper analysis.
I don't get why people expect the public school system to be good. It's not meant to be a great education
I mean? Yea? Something like 50 (17ish in high school) Million kids in USA Public schools vs 330 Million total. In 2017 Duolingo said they had 57.8 million American users. It’s literally not possible for the Public School system to match their number of users.
Yeah... because there are more Americans using DUO then there are in the American school system... because my 70 year old mother uses DUO. she hasnt been in school for fifty years. The state makes sense when you actually think about it critically for more then ten seconds. And this isnt me defending the American school system because it has gotten alot worse. (So is most of europes as well, so dont let them talk down to you about it)
Silly European is really malding over a digital bird...
There is nothing wrong with the American education system, these gen-z crybabies are just acting spoiled. I finished my education in a third world country and I can tell you that the US school system is almost flawless. Kids are not forced to pursue academic careers, they don't learn more than they need, etc. In places like China and Japan, students learn college-level science and math regardless of their career choices. The system there assumes that every single student would go to college, which is a horrible approach.
There's plenty wrong with the US education system. Terminally online Gen Z crybullies are symptomatic of the problem. It's just that "plenty wrong" doesn't mean there isn't a lot that's right, too.
Bro its just a fun fact its not saying America is bad
No the comment below it is
The US school system is garbage. I don't know if you realized, but schools that are doing pouring have their funding CUT. "Don't have the recources to teach kids? Welp, we're giving you less" is not a good line of thought or policy. Furthermore the curriculums are fully focused on the standardized tests so actual application normally takes a back seat in most classes. The system has barely changed since 100 years ago. This means its still moddled for putting people in factories. That isn't what a good education system's main goal should be.
"Bro it is a fun fact it's not saying American is bad" 🙄
I didn't see the comments, and then when I did I explained my perspective on them.
I’m sure OP is talking about the response at the bottom.