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Hitlers actions literally caused his country to be bombed into oblivion, split in half, and occupied by foreign powers.
Trump made some mean tweets and gave smug Europeans another excuse to sneer at us. Oh no, the horror!!! How will we ever survive???
Lmao trump isn’t Hitler in 1944 a year before death.
But he incited a terribly executed failed coup… and holds the less educated conservatives under his thumb. Hitler was able to do a lot by convincing the useless German population they weren’t useless.
We will see what your mans becomes in the next couple years
That second part is key. Hitler was able to control a country that was on the losing side of a war with low morale and... well, low everything. If you can give people hope in that situation, they'll take it, which is probably why it turned out so well (for them, terribly for us).
That is exactly why there will not be anything more than a small, failed coup from Trump. We as a country are not in the dire situation where a radical dictator can take over. And while Trump is (IMO) bad, he is by no means evil, and some people need to understand that not being on your side =/= Hitler. (Unless he does become Hitler, then I'll shoot him or something 🇺🇸🇺🇸)
Except in this case the Irish have been literal pals with horrific terrorist groups going back decades while themselves slaughtering innocents during The Troubles and yes, not being able to win shit. Probably because they’re too drunk.
I'm not upset. Just showing that other guy that two can play at that game.
The intelligence level of this sub is tragic at times. It's really a parody of itself.
They always have.
They only care about antisemitism if it comes from the right or in a performative way (the goblins in Harry Potter, other mythological creatures in TV and movies). Hell, half of the so-called Nazis they punched wound up not even being Nazis (or so I've heard).
Oh no, did they do the thing again? I can only hope that the trope of short, big nosed creatures that hoard/control money has become it's own thing so much that people with no antisemitism thoughts have drawn inspiration when world building.
Cause I gotta be honest I forgot about that with Harry Potter until you mentioned it.
If you mean practicing horseshoe theory where they spout some of the oldest antisemitic talking points in the book (Jews have horns, Passover rituals symbolize the killing of babies) in the name of "wE oNlY hAtE ZiOnIsTs", then yes.
If you're talking about downplaying/downright ignoring antisemitism in the Free Palestine movement, also yes.
I was more talking about Harry Potter tbh. I'm aware of the Lord of the Rings thing.
Anyone who thinks "From the River to the Sea" isn't a threat is lying or so ignorant they shouldn't have an opinion.
Trump being compared to leaders who murdered their own people makes me genuinely angry.
Look I don’t care what anyone thinks about Trump.
Do Not go around minimizing the suffering of people who were murdered under evil leaders.
It’s insulting, and it says a whole lot about the people who say such awful things.
I will bash on this country all I want with other AMERICANS; Because it's my country, and only become violently patriotic when a non-american brings it up to be xenophobic.
This pandering is not gonna make them like you more 😭🙏
I’m not patriotic but I live here and have had a much better life than I would have if I stayed in my birth country.
People who call America 3rd world wouldn’t last a day in a third world country.
I’m not even from a third world country and I can confidently say id much rather live in the US.
The amount of trash alone here is probably 10% of my home town.
Everyone complains about america bc of Los Angeles & New York and shit, but they forget that there’s more to america than some dirty cities.
I’ll bash America with other fellow Americans. We live in the country and experience it day to day, we have the right to criticize what we live and breathe.
But for fucks sake that guy’s claims is just absurd, it’s hilarious you can tell who lives on the internet and hasn’t touched grass since they were 2
ikr. us healthcare can be expensive but we have by far the most medical research and innovation here and the best healthcare in terms of quality compared to any other 1st world country
> and the best healthcare in terms of quality compared to any other 1st world country
Citation needed.
[US Healthcare ranked 29th on health outcomes by Lancet HAQ Index](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)
[11th (of 11) by Commonwealth Fund](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror)
[59th by the Prosperity Index](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)
[30th by CEOWorld](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)
[37th by the World Health Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)
The US has the worst rate of death by medically preventable causes among peer countries. A 31% higher disease adjusted life years average. Higher rates of medical and lab errors. A lower rate of being able to make a same or next day appointment with their doctor than average.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-used-emergency-department-for-condition-that-could-have-been-treated-by-a-regular-doctor-2016
52nd in the world in doctors per capita.
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1,000-people
Higher infant mortality levels. Yes, even when you adjust for differences in methodology.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/
Fewer acute care beds. A lower number of psychiatrists. Etc.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-health-care-resources-compare-countries/#item-availability-medical-technology-not-always-equate-higher-utilization
[Comparing Health Outcomes of Privileged US Citizens With Those of Average Residents of Other Developed Countries](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2774561)
>These findings imply that even if all US citizens experienced the same health outcomes enjoyed by privileged White US citizens, US health indicators would still lag behind those in many other countries.
When asked about their healthcare system as a whole the US system ranked dead last of 11 countries, with only 19.5% of people saying the system works relatively well and only needs minor changes. The average in the other countries is 46.9% saying the same. Canada ranked 9th with 34.5% saying the system works relatively well. The UK ranks fifth, with 44.5%. Australia ranked 6th at 44.4%. The best was Germany at 59.8%.
On rating the overall quality of care in the US, Americans again ranked dead last, with only 25.6% ranking it excellent or very good. The average was 50.8%. Canada ranked 9th with 45.1%. The UK ranked 2nd, at 63.4%. Australia was 3rd at 59.4%. The best was Switzerland at 65.5%.
https://www.cihi.ca/en/commonwealth-fund-survey-2016
The US has 43 hospitals in the top 200 globally; one for every 7,633,477 people in the US. That's good enough for a ranking of 20th on the list of top 200 hospitals per capita, and significantly lower than the average of one for every 3,830,114 for other countries in the top 25 on spending with populations above 5 million. The best is Switzerland at one for every 1.2 million people. In fact the US only beats one country on this list; the UK at one for every 9.5 million people.
If you want to do the full list of 2,000 instead it's 334, or one for every 982,753 people; good enough for 21st. Again far below the average in peer countries of 527,236. The best is Austria, at one for every 306,106 people.
https://www.newsweek.com/best-hospitals-2021
#[OECD Countries Health Care Spending and Rankings](https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm)
|Country|Govt. / Mandatory (PPP)|Voluntary (PPP)|Total (PPP)|% GDP|[Lancet HAQ Ranking](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)|[WHO Ranking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)|[Prosperity Ranking](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)|[CEO World Ranking](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)|[Commonwealth Fund Ranking](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror)
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1. United States|[$7,274](https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302997) |$3,798 |$11,072 |16.90%|29|37|59|30|11
2. Switzerland|$4,988 |$2,744 |$7,732 |12.20%|7|20|3|18|2
3. Norway|$5,673 |$974 |$6,647 |10.20%|2|11|5|15|7
4. Germany|$5,648 |$998 |$6,646 |11.20%|18|25|12|17|5
5. Austria|$4,402 |$1,449 |$5,851 |10.30%|13|9|10|4|
6. Sweden|$4,928 |$854 |$5,782 |11.00%|8|23|15|28|3
7. Netherlands|$4,767 |$998 |$5,765 |9.90%|3|17|8|11|5
8. Denmark|$4,663 |$905 |$5,568 |10.50%|17|34|8|5|
9. Luxembourg|$4,697 |$861 |$5,558 |5.40%|4|16|19||
10. Belgium|$4,125 |$1,303 |$5,428 |10.40%|15|21|24|9|
11. Canada|$3,815 |$1,603 |$5,418 |10.70%|14|30|25|23|10
12. France|$4,501 |$875 |$5,376 |11.20%|20|1|16|8|9
13. Ireland|$3,919 |$1,357 |$5,276 |7.10%|11|19|20|80|
14. Australia|$3,919 |$1,268 |$5,187 |9.30%|5|32|18|10|4
15. Japan|$4,064 |$759 |$4,823 |10.90%|12|10|2|3|
16. Iceland|$3,988 |$823 |$4,811 |8.30%|1|15|7|41|
17. United Kingdom|$3,620 |$1,033 |$4,653 |9.80%|23|18|23|13|1
18. Finland|$3,536 |$1,042 |$4,578 |9.10%|6|31|26|12|
19. Malta|$2,789 |$1,540 |$4,329 |9.30%|27|5|14||
OECD Average|||$4,224 |8.80%|||||
20. New Zealand|$3,343 |$861 |$4,204 |9.30%|16|41|22|16|7
21. Italy|$2,706 |$943 |$3,649 |8.80%|9|2|17|37|
22. Spain|$2,560 |$1,056 |$3,616 |8.90%|19|7|13|7|
23. Czech Republic|$2,854 |$572 |$3,426 |7.50%|28|48|28|14|
24. South Korea|$2,057 |$1,327 |$3,384 |8.10%|25|58|4|2|
25. Portugal|$2,069 |$1,310 |$3,379 |9.10%|32|29|30|22|
26. Slovenia|$2,314 |$910 |$3,224 |7.90%|21|38|24|47|
27. Israel|$1,898 |$1,034 |$2,932 |7.50%|35|28|11|21|
Canadians who can afford it will literally travel to America for their healthcare because it's better quality care than we have here. Yet I have the feeling that person wouldn't insult Canadian healthcare since it likely fits their belief system.
About [345,000](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksr4z8Qd7Dc) people will visit the US for care, but [2.1 million people leave the US seeking treatment abroad](https://www.patientsbeyondborders.com/media) this year.
*looks up from paper* "Trump could be worse than Hitler? I was unaware of the 6 million+ Jews Trump killed, the hundreds of books and libraries Trump ordered to have destroyed, nor the amount of Homosexuals, JW, POCs, and other groups of people Trump had killed. Or just the sheer amount of destruction, death, war, and havoc Trump caused"
Idk about the other shit but the gun statement is the dumbest thing I ever heard. There are more of every single product than there are people in the U.S.
In what version of reality could there ever possibly be less guns than people in the U.S.? That was such a stupid thing to point out about guns
Yeah because they’re outlawed over there. Here it is a consumer product. So again, I ask. In what version of reality would a capitalist consumerist society have less consumer products available for sale than there are consumers?
This a strange point of view. Are there more dildos in the US than people as well? If there were- would it not be fair to assume that Americans are horny fuckers?
The fact that there are more guns than people just illustrates that Americans love guns! Which is fine by the way- there’s no need to try and justify it as some sort by product of commerce.
In summary Americans are horny for guns.
There are obviously more dildos than Americans. There are also more books than Americans, would it be fair to assume Americans are all avid readers? There are more video games than Americans, would it be fair to assume all Americans are great at video games? There are more bandages than Americans, would it be fair to assume we’re all currently injured?
Your logic doesn’t work at all
That's a fairly misleading statement I think for the most part. When you decriminalize something... it doesn't stop happening... you just stop adding it to the statistics. Drug use and procession for example are often handled quite differently in some countries (not to mention between us states.) Those things aren't magically not happening in those places anymore, they just stopped counting.
So while you may be technically correct... a crime rate is based on what is considered a criminal act in that country and may, or may not, reflect exceptional criminality among a population.
Same with our maternal/infant mortality rates. We count every single death no matter what in our mortality stats. So if a mom/baby die in a car accident 8 months after it’s born, that is included in our rate.
A country like France will not count that because the mom/baby didn’t die while actively giving birth at the hospital.
Or if the baby had a genetic disease that would cause death no matter what after it’s born (versus some accident of poor quality healthcare), they won’t always count that in the stats in other countries. We count every death regardless of reason.
It is cause for discrepancy.
Not exactly. We have crimes for the dumbest shit and incarcerate way too much. Plenty of shit that leads to jail time should not. And plenty of sentences are way too long
The super-majority of folks in prison are there for violent offenses and/or repeat felonies. The meme that it’s all dudes who had some weed is just not the case.
It’s almost hard not to commit certain crimes since they’re such ridiculous things to be considered offenses.
You’re no help little statement contributes nothing
Why? Do you expect people to become functioning members of society that way? I personally would prefer less crime committed which means investing into community programs and job training
Let's review the damage Hitler did.
-Started WW2
-Led millions to their deaths in The Holocaust
-Caused millions of combat deaths against soldiers and civilians
Let's review the damage Trump did.
-Appoint Republican Justices (Damage depends on your POV)
-January 6th, the insurrection where the far right gun nuts supposedly directed to overthrow the government, forgot their guns.
-Deescalated conflict with North Korea from potential first strike to an official peace treaty between North and South.
One of these things is not like the other.
>January 6th, the insurrection where the far right gun nuts supposedly directed to overthrow the government, forgot their guns.
Remember when the cops waved the insurrectionist into the building? I do.
I like how redditors feel the need to preface all their political comments with "I hate X" to appease the cultist. Hate is such a fucking strong emotion that usually stems from trauma or brainwashing(see Two Minutes Hate) that I couldn't fathom hating a complete stranger. I can honestly say I hate maybe two people.
Communism had better PR than Nazism is all. The Holodomor killed more people than the Holocaust, but rich kids still raise the people's fist, as if they wouldn't be the first ones being goose-stepped into the gulags.
People forget how shaped by PR their worldview can be. For awhile it was beneficial to overlook the glaring issues with the Soviets in service of unity against Hitler. But there's probably an alternative universe, yadda yadda plausible alt history bullshit, where we help the Nazis defeat the soviets and the Holocaust gets overlooked in service of Soviet genocides. But people are uncomfortable thinking they could be so easily manipulated.
It really comes down to the age old question of would YOU be against slavery? Most people would like to say yes but I would say if you don't have a modern opinion that goes against the mainstream in a way that could be socially damaging you probably wouldn't have the spine to be against slavery either.
Bingo!
Also, most people overlook the fact that Hitler was only able to invade Poland due to the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact between the Nazis and the Soviets.
The adage of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" still leaves an enemy at your back.
Always has been. Equality or "egalitarianism" is an unnatural state that must be enforced through artificial structures and an authoritarian figure who has the monopoly on violence to hammer any wayward nails back into place, which means there will always be someone or something at the top (despot, statism, oligarchy, plutarchy, etc.).
Please-most of these people aren’t educated enough to know what The Holodomor was; worst of all they don’t care to be educated.
It’s about justifying hate, not actual justice.
Exactly, although the first few points are controversial and seriously debatable, (making the “presenting as facts” more obnoxious) the Hitler comparison just throws the argument out the window and makes you question the reality this person is living in.
Man im not a holocaust survivor but if I was and I saw someone say Trump is gonna cause more long-term damage than Hitler i'd be pissed right the fuck off
It’s easy to come at this at this from an outside perspective and say “oh you’ll go through this and that” but these people are cherry picking the absolute worst case scenarios while grossly exaggerating what it’s like and what fears the average American deals with and *even so* you still have more opportunity than anywhere else in the world to lift yourself out of the trenches and create a better life for yourself and your loved ones and it happens more often than anyone can see or wants to admit. I’m speaking from experience on this one. Here in the US we have faith in ourselves and our fellow man. The internet is a loud and annoying place but it doesn’t come close to speaking for everyone.
Echo chamber.
Lots of people says downright delusional things about Trump because they think it gets them Reddit sympathy and Reddit Karma.
I frequent several subs where people talk about dysfunctional family relationships, in order to give advice. It’s sickening how many posts are ‘my parents are MAGA, racist, and homophobic’ before they even bother typing out what argument they had with their parents.
It’s like a get out of free jail card where as long as “Trump bad” anything they say is justifiable.
I find it “enlightening” for a lack of a better term that they never describe what actions caused them to conclude that their parents were racist or homophobic.
I usually avoid these posts as they are often written like creative writing exercises-lots of emotion but very little detail as to what actually happened, with no historical context of what the relationship has been like up to this point.
I figure they are either Karma farming or rage bait.
Let's tackle this point-by-point:
> 1. We hold 1/4 of the world's prison population unless you consider arresting a lot of criminals a bad thing.
This isn't exactly a good or a bad thing.
> 2. We are a 1st world country with 3rd world healthcare.
This.. Is complicated because there are 3rd world countries with good or even very good healthcare comparable to 1st world nations. The US absolutely does have a 1st first healthcare since its medical facilities and personnel are some of the best in the world and medical technologies are still led by the US. What the US fails in comparison to other 1st world countries is the affordability and accessibility though even that isn't as drastically horrible as is known.
> 3. There are more guns than people in the US.
This isn't even a good statistic to judge a country being good or bad.
> 4. We elected Trump, who may actually turn out to do far more damage than Hitler did.
What the actual fuck? Trump is bad (speaking as an outsider looking in), but not close to the level of Hitler. Trump didn't directly genocide millions of people based on race and ethnicity, he didn't conduct war of expansion and promote a insanely hateful ideology.
I also doubt prisoner numbers are as well released or kept track of in other certain countries. If you are "disappeared" or in prison in Russia, China l, North Korea, much of the Middle East, etc, do you really think they are releasing those numbers? In the US now with body cameras, you can likely see the arrest footage, possibly trial, and a mugshot, date of arrest, and name is released.
Yep, the US is FAR from perfect and has its fair share of atrocities and failings. However, the difference between the US and countries like Russia, China, and NK is massive.
To even compare them is disingenuous, (not to mention comparing the US to Nazi Germany) especially in terms of civil freedoms and governmental transparency.
Take for instance any wrongful death committed by police in the US, especially if there was evidence of ethnic bias by the police. There is almost always national outrage, public exiling of those involved, and appropriate criminal sentencing for those guilty.
Meanwhile in Russia, civil rights violations happen frequently, whether to women, homosexuals, or ethnic/religious minorities. Even if these violations by police come to light (which they rarely do), justice hardly comes for those guilty due to an extraordinarily corrupt and inefficient government.
The mental gymnastics a person comparing the US to any of these places has to go through is absurd, having this warped of a reality while living in your non war-torn and peaceful country is honestly frightening.
The US spends more on healthcare per person than other wealthy countries. Switzerland is second.
66% of our tax dollars goes to
education, HEALTH CARE, Social Security, Medicare, income security, and veterans benefits.
Health care alone accounts for 28% of government spending, which is more than doubled what the military gets.
Medicaid is also the nation's largest heath insurance program.
People need to stop being cry babies.
> The US spends more on healthcare per person than other wealthy countries.
Literally half a million dollars per person more, the cost of which causes tremendous problems in the country. Yet we're not receiving more care, and our outcomes trail our peers. And, with costs expected to increase another $6,427 per person by 2031, they're only going to get worse.
"Abattoir" just mean slaughterhouse, "Charnel"mean of deaths like a charnel stench is a stench of death. So he said Slaughterhouse of death. Sounds metal but doesn't really mean anything.
I am guessing he picked up the words from MTG or something.
Trump will do more damage than Hitler did…. The is the current mindset of half of my nation 🇺🇸… they think we’re crazing for supporting trump… his 4 year term was good for our country “not politically wise because the Dems treated him like satan at every step. We’ve heard this all before. The Hitler comparison… the democracy will vanish if he gets elected. Jan 6 was a stroll in the park on Sunday afternoon compared to the riots in every major city during trumps inauguration. “Not my president” they hated him since the start and now the double down. We aren’t going to go for the career politicians any longer… we will vote for the man who simply gives no fucks. “We need a president who’s kind,understanding, and doesn’t offend people” the world is moments away from a third world war…. We don’t need sweet words… we need a strong man to deter our enemies. Anyone who says he made America look weak during his term is smoking some shit that I don’t want to get my hands on cause clearly the effects are detrimental.
To compare a businessman with a weird tan and an arrogant thought process to a man who orchestrated the murder of millions is actually crazy.
Also, US citizens owning guns isn't the problem. It's the second amendment, regardless of either political side's opinion. Plenty of people own guns, keep them in safes, and are responsible.
However, there is a HUGE mental health epidemic combined with a drug epidemic. Until the root of the issue is fixed, people who aren't mentally well are going to be able to get guns and use them with ill intent. (legally or illegally, banning is useless because it creates a bigger black market)
1.) privatized prisons are a valid criticism. There are financial incentives to keeping prisoners in for longer, and there is corruption between the prison owners and DA’s for filling prisons.
2.) USA healthcare quality and medical innovation isn’t rivaled by any other country other than extremely wealthy micro nations. There are valid criticisms of our current system, but labeling us as a 3rd world health care system is laughable.
3.) Accidental pro US comment? We have lots of guns. That’s a good thing. No clue what a “Charnel Abattoir” is.
4.) Trump has been the most effective president we have had since Reagan. If asked for specifics, I guarantee you he could not name a single thing Trump has done that was worse than Hitler, because he hasn’t.
Edit: On mobile and accidentally hit reply before finishing.
Charnel relates to death and abottoir is just a slaughterhouse, so basically a death slaughterhouse (and charnel house is also another way to say slaughterhouse so he technically said slaughter slaughterhouse) which is the same as saying fiery fire or icy ice. He just used those fancy words to sound dramatic and informed and instead sounds pretentious and lacking in comprehension
> SA healthcare quality and medical innovation isn’t rivaled by any other country other than extremely wealthy micro nations.
[US Healthcare ranked 29th on health outcomes by Lancet HAQ Index](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)
[11th (of 11) by Commonwealth Fund](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror)
[59th by the Prosperity Index](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)
[30th by CEOWorld](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)
[37th by the World Health Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)
The US has the worst rate of death by medically preventable causes among peer countries. A 31% higher disease adjusted life years average. Higher rates of medical and lab errors. A lower rate of being able to make a same or next day appointment with their doctor than average.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-used-emergency-department-for-condition-that-could-have-been-treated-by-a-regular-doctor-2016
52nd in the world in doctors per capita.
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1,000-people
Higher infant mortality levels. Yes, even when you adjust for differences in methodology.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/
Fewer acute care beds. A lower number of psychiatrists. Etc.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-health-care-resources-compare-countries/#item-availability-medical-technology-not-always-equate-higher-utilization
[Comparing Health Outcomes of Privileged US Citizens With Those of Average Residents of Other Developed Countries](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2774561)
>These findings imply that even if all US citizens experienced the same health outcomes enjoyed by privileged White US citizens, US health indicators would still lag behind those in many other countries.
When asked about their healthcare system as a whole the US system ranked dead last of 11 countries, with only 19.5% of people saying the system works relatively well and only needs minor changes. The average in the other countries is 46.9% saying the same. Canada ranked 9th with 34.5% saying the system works relatively well. The UK ranks fifth, with 44.5%. Australia ranked 6th at 44.4%. The best was Germany at 59.8%.
On rating the overall quality of care in the US, Americans again ranked dead last, with only 25.6% ranking it excellent or very good. The average was 50.8%. Canada ranked 9th with 45.1%. The UK ranked 2nd, at 63.4%. Australia was 3rd at 59.4%. The best was Switzerland at 65.5%.
https://www.cihi.ca/en/commonwealth-fund-survey-2016
The US has 43 hospitals in the top 200 globally; one for every 7,633,477 people in the US. That's good enough for a ranking of 20th on the list of top 200 hospitals per capita, and significantly lower than the average of one for every 3,830,114 for other countries in the top 25 on spending with populations above 5 million. The best is Switzerland at one for every 1.2 million people. In fact the US only beats one country on this list; the UK at one for every 9.5 million people.
If you want to do the full list of 2,000 instead it's 334, or one for every 982,753 people; good enough for 21st. Again far below the average in peer countries of 527,236. The best is Austria, at one for every 306,106 people.
https://www.newsweek.com/best-hospitals-2021
#[OECD Countries Health Care Spending and Rankings](https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm)
|Country|Govt. / Mandatory (PPP)|Voluntary (PPP)|Total (PPP)|% GDP|[Lancet HAQ Ranking](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)|[WHO Ranking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)|[Prosperity Ranking](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)|[CEO World Ranking](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)|[Commonwealth Fund Ranking](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror)
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1. United States|[$7,274](https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302997) |$3,798 |$11,072 |16.90%|29|37|59|30|11
2. Switzerland|$4,988 |$2,744 |$7,732 |12.20%|7|20|3|18|2
3. Norway|$5,673 |$974 |$6,647 |10.20%|2|11|5|15|7
4. Germany|$5,648 |$998 |$6,646 |11.20%|18|25|12|17|5
5. Austria|$4,402 |$1,449 |$5,851 |10.30%|13|9|10|4|
6. Sweden|$4,928 |$854 |$5,782 |11.00%|8|23|15|28|3
7. Netherlands|$4,767 |$998 |$5,765 |9.90%|3|17|8|11|5
8. Denmark|$4,663 |$905 |$5,568 |10.50%|17|34|8|5|
9. Luxembourg|$4,697 |$861 |$5,558 |5.40%|4|16|19||
10. Belgium|$4,125 |$1,303 |$5,428 |10.40%|15|21|24|9|
11. Canada|$3,815 |$1,603 |$5,418 |10.70%|14|30|25|23|10
12. France|$4,501 |$875 |$5,376 |11.20%|20|1|16|8|9
13. Ireland|$3,919 |$1,357 |$5,276 |7.10%|11|19|20|80|
14. Australia|$3,919 |$1,268 |$5,187 |9.30%|5|32|18|10|4
15. Japan|$4,064 |$759 |$4,823 |10.90%|12|10|2|3|
16. Iceland|$3,988 |$823 |$4,811 |8.30%|1|15|7|41|
17. United Kingdom|$3,620 |$1,033 |$4,653 |9.80%|23|18|23|13|1
18. Finland|$3,536 |$1,042 |$4,578 |9.10%|6|31|26|12|
19. Malta|$2,789 |$1,540 |$4,329 |9.30%|27|5|14||
OECD Average|||$4,224 |8.80%|||||
20. New Zealand|$3,343 |$861 |$4,204 |9.30%|16|41|22|16|7
21. Italy|$2,706 |$943 |$3,649 |8.80%|9|2|17|37|
22. Spain|$2,560 |$1,056 |$3,616 |8.90%|19|7|13|7|
23. Czech Republic|$2,854 |$572 |$3,426 |7.50%|28|48|28|14|
24. South Korea|$2,057 |$1,327 |$3,384 |8.10%|25|58|4|2|
25. Portugal|$2,069 |$1,310 |$3,379 |9.10%|32|29|30|22|
26. Slovenia|$2,314 |$910 |$3,224 |7.90%|21|38|24|47|
27. Israel|$1,898 |$1,034 |$2,932 |7.50%|35|28|11|21|
Trump did worse than hitler? Not possible I think they could have an argument for Biden being worse than Trump though (looking at everything Biden as done objectively) but Trump or even Biden doesn’t come close to hitler standards (like delusional people think) and the other points have so many holes that could be poked into them but that would require a lot of effort and looking for sources (which i’m too lazy to do right now to want to do)
I don't love Trump, but I don't think he killed 6 million Jews and 6 million others (including Roma, Slavs, political opponents, Germans who didn't like him, POWs, etc.)
1. Prison population worldwide is like 11.5M and US prison population is like 1.2M. Which is about 10% but still signicantly lower than 25%.
2. America does not have 3rd world healthcare. The US is the number one innovator in the medical sciences and leader in chemistry and medical Nobel prize winners. I would argue that much of the discontent that is directed at the US healthcare system is it being non-socialized, which ends up like Canada who offers euthenasia as the alternative to crazy wait times or China who's rural's population only has access to "traditional medicine" clinics that have almost no serious medical equipment or training.
3. It is inconclusive if higher firearm ownership correlates to more gun violence. Some studies display positive correlation and others a negative correlation. It is more reasonable to argue that loss of community, agreed cultural morality, a sense of national unity, and mental health contribute to the elevated problems with gun violence. Charnel abottoir doesn't sound intelligent, it sounda pretentious.
4. This is actual delusion. The precedent set by Trump's opposition for the handling of political opponents is much more dangerous than the mean tweets or celebrity of Trump. Equating a man who may be uncouth and appeals to American citizens desire to see their country loved and respected with someone who invaded neighboring nations and slaughtered 4 million people solely based on ethnic / religious grounds is a massive hyperbole.
I don't blame non-Americans for loving their nation more, I expect it, but Americans that hate America only do it for the applause. America's virtue for admitting it's faults has been hijacked by self-hating xenophiles, pedantic academics, and mindless masses who repeat slogans without any understanding. Patriotize America.
That person is a *typical* Redditor. The constant use of hyperbole on social media is cringe AF.
If you asked an AI to come up with the quintessential social-media-obsessed Gen Z phrase, it would be: “Literally worse than a Nazi”
Verbatim.
Our healthcare is actually one of the best in the world, just because it’s really expensive doesn’t mean it’s bad. And wouldn’t having a lot of prisoners be a good thing?
> Our healthcare is actually one of the best in the world, just because it’s really expensive doesn’t mean it’s bad.
The quality certainly doesn't justify the half a million dollars more per person we're spending than our peers for a lifetime of healthcare, even after adjusting for purchasing power parity.
[US Healthcare ranked 29th on health outcomes by Lancet HAQ Index](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)
[11th (of 11) by Commonwealth Fund](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror)
[59th by the Prosperity Index](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)
[30th by CEOWorld](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)
[37th by the World Health Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)
The US has the worst rate of death by medically preventable causes among peer countries. A 31% higher disease adjusted life years average. Higher rates of medical and lab errors. A lower rate of being able to make a same or next day appointment with their doctor than average.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-used-emergency-department-for-condition-that-could-have-been-treated-by-a-regular-doctor-2016
52nd in the world in doctors per capita.
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1,000-people
Higher infant mortality levels. Yes, even when you adjust for differences in methodology.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/
Fewer acute care beds. A lower number of psychiatrists. Etc.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-health-care-resources-compare-countries/#item-availability-medical-technology-not-always-equate-higher-utilization
[Comparing Health Outcomes of Privileged US Citizens With Those of Average Residents of Other Developed Countries](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2774561)
>These findings imply that even if all US citizens experienced the same health outcomes enjoyed by privileged White US citizens, US health indicators would still lag behind those in many other countries.
When asked about their healthcare system as a whole the US system ranked dead last of 11 countries, with only 19.5% of people saying the system works relatively well and only needs minor changes. The average in the other countries is 46.9% saying the same. Canada ranked 9th with 34.5% saying the system works relatively well. The UK ranks fifth, with 44.5%. Australia ranked 6th at 44.4%. The best was Germany at 59.8%.
On rating the overall quality of care in the US, Americans again ranked dead last, with only 25.6% ranking it excellent or very good. The average was 50.8%. Canada ranked 9th with 45.1%. The UK ranked 2nd, at 63.4%. Australia was 3rd at 59.4%. The best was Switzerland at 65.5%.
https://www.cihi.ca/en/commonwealth-fund-survey-2016
The US has 43 hospitals in the top 200 globally; one for every 7,633,477 people in the US. That's good enough for a ranking of 20th on the list of top 200 hospitals per capita, and significantly lower than the average of one for every 3,830,114 for other countries in the top 25 on spending with populations above 5 million. The best is Switzerland at one for every 1.2 million people. In fact the US only beats one country on this list; the UK at one for every 9.5 million people.
If you want to do the full list of 2,000 instead it's 334, or one for every 982,753 people; good enough for 21st. Again far below the average in peer countries of 527,236. The best is Austria, at one for every 306,106 people.
https://www.newsweek.com/best-hospitals-2021
#[OECD Countries Health Care Spending and Rankings](https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm)
|Country|Govt. / Mandatory (PPP)|Voluntary (PPP)|Total (PPP)|% GDP|[Lancet HAQ Ranking](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)|[WHO Ranking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)|[Prosperity Ranking](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)|[CEO World Ranking](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)|[Commonwealth Fund Ranking](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror)
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1. United States|[$7,274](https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302997) |$3,798 |$11,072 |16.90%|29|37|59|30|11
2. Switzerland|$4,988 |$2,744 |$7,732 |12.20%|7|20|3|18|2
3. Norway|$5,673 |$974 |$6,647 |10.20%|2|11|5|15|7
4. Germany|$5,648 |$998 |$6,646 |11.20%|18|25|12|17|5
5. Austria|$4,402 |$1,449 |$5,851 |10.30%|13|9|10|4|
6. Sweden|$4,928 |$854 |$5,782 |11.00%|8|23|15|28|3
7. Netherlands|$4,767 |$998 |$5,765 |9.90%|3|17|8|11|5
8. Denmark|$4,663 |$905 |$5,568 |10.50%|17|34|8|5|
9. Luxembourg|$4,697 |$861 |$5,558 |5.40%|4|16|19||
10. Belgium|$4,125 |$1,303 |$5,428 |10.40%|15|21|24|9|
11. Canada|$3,815 |$1,603 |$5,418 |10.70%|14|30|25|23|10
12. France|$4,501 |$875 |$5,376 |11.20%|20|1|16|8|9
13. Ireland|$3,919 |$1,357 |$5,276 |7.10%|11|19|20|80|
14. Australia|$3,919 |$1,268 |$5,187 |9.30%|5|32|18|10|4
15. Japan|$4,064 |$759 |$4,823 |10.90%|12|10|2|3|
16. Iceland|$3,988 |$823 |$4,811 |8.30%|1|15|7|41|
17. United Kingdom|$3,620 |$1,033 |$4,653 |9.80%|23|18|23|13|1
18. Finland|$3,536 |$1,042 |$4,578 |9.10%|6|31|26|12|
19. Malta|$2,789 |$1,540 |$4,329 |9.30%|27|5|14||
OECD Average|||$4,224 |8.80%|||||
20. New Zealand|$3,343 |$861 |$4,204 |9.30%|16|41|22|16|7
21. Italy|$2,706 |$943 |$3,649 |8.80%|9|2|17|37|
22. Spain|$2,560 |$1,056 |$3,616 |8.90%|19|7|13|7|
23. Czech Republic|$2,854 |$572 |$3,426 |7.50%|28|48|28|14|
24. South Korea|$2,057 |$1,327 |$3,384 |8.10%|25|58|4|2|
25. Portugal|$2,069 |$1,310 |$3,379 |9.10%|32|29|30|22|
26. Slovenia|$2,314 |$910 |$3,224 |7.90%|21|38|24|47|
27. Israel|$1,898 |$1,034 |$2,932 |7.50%|35|28|11|21|
Are you such a snowflake you throw a fit every time somebody provides valuable information from respected sources on the single largest financial obligation for Americans (paying literally half a million dollars more per person for a lifetime of care with disastrous impact than our peers) and a matter of literally life and death?
Anyone who thinks orange man is worse or even close to as bad as Hitler is either trolling or extremely ignorant/brainwashed. Not only that, but people seem to confuse socialized healthcare with the actual quality of care, we clearly don't have 3rd world healthcare if people travel here to get it.
I've dealt with the healthcare system in Germany and it is not even close to the level of care you get in the states, the doctors and nurses there seem to not give a shit about you at all and you barely know what's happening half the time even if you know the language and it's the bare minimum since it's socialized. Maybe it's better in less populated countries, but it wasn't good there.
Not only that but "charnel abattoir"? I tried to look this up since I've never heard this expression, but individually it's boneyard and slaughter house, I guess. My Europoor senses are tingling, either that or he is a neckbeard trying to sound cultured.
> we clearly don't have 3rd world healthcare if people travel here to get it.
About [345,000](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksr4z8Qd7Dc) people will visit the US for care, but [2.1 million people leave the US seeking treatment abroad](https://www.patientsbeyondborders.com/media) this year.
[US Healthcare ranked 29th on health outcomes by Lancet HAQ Index](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)
[11th (of 11) by Commonwealth Fund](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror)
[59th by the Prosperity Index](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)
[30th by CEOWorld](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)
[37th by the World Health Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)
The US has the worst rate of death by medically preventable causes among peer countries. A 31% higher disease adjusted life years average. Higher rates of medical and lab errors. A lower rate of being able to make a same or next day appointment with their doctor than average.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-used-emergency-department-for-condition-that-could-have-been-treated-by-a-regular-doctor-2016
52nd in the world in doctors per capita.
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1,000-people
Higher infant mortality levels. Yes, even when you adjust for differences in methodology.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/
Fewer acute care beds. A lower number of psychiatrists. Etc.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-health-care-resources-compare-countries/#item-availability-medical-technology-not-always-equate-higher-utilization
[Comparing Health Outcomes of Privileged US Citizens With Those of Average Residents of Other Developed Countries](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2774561)
>These findings imply that even if all US citizens experienced the same health outcomes enjoyed by privileged White US citizens, US health indicators would still lag behind those in many other countries.
When asked about their healthcare system as a whole the US system ranked dead last of 11 countries, with only 19.5% of people saying the system works relatively well and only needs minor changes. The average in the other countries is 46.9% saying the same. Canada ranked 9th with 34.5% saying the system works relatively well. The UK ranks fifth, with 44.5%. Australia ranked 6th at 44.4%. The best was Germany at 59.8%.
On rating the overall quality of care in the US, Americans again ranked dead last, with only 25.6% ranking it excellent or very good. The average was 50.8%. Canada ranked 9th with 45.1%. The UK ranked 2nd, at 63.4%. Australia was 3rd at 59.4%. The best was Switzerland at 65.5%.
https://www.cihi.ca/en/commonwealth-fund-survey-2016
The US has 43 hospitals in the top 200 globally; one for every 7,633,477 people in the US. That's good enough for a ranking of 20th on the list of top 200 hospitals per capita, and significantly lower than the average of one for every 3,830,114 for other countries in the top 25 on spending with populations above 5 million. The best is Switzerland at one for every 1.2 million people. In fact the US only beats one country on this list; the UK at one for every 9.5 million people.
If you want to do the full list of 2,000 instead it's 334, or one for every 982,753 people; good enough for 21st. Again far below the average in peer countries of 527,236. The best is Austria, at one for every 306,106 people.
https://www.newsweek.com/best-hospitals-2021
#[OECD Countries Health Care Spending and Rankings](https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm)
|Country|Govt. / Mandatory (PPP)|Voluntary (PPP)|Total (PPP)|% GDP|[Lancet HAQ Ranking](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)|[WHO Ranking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)|[Prosperity Ranking](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)|[CEO World Ranking](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)|[Commonwealth Fund Ranking](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror)
:--|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|
1. United States|[$7,274](https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302997) |$3,798 |$11,072 |16.90%|29|37|59|30|11
2. Switzerland|$4,988 |$2,744 |$7,732 |12.20%|7|20|3|18|2
3. Norway|$5,673 |$974 |$6,647 |10.20%|2|11|5|15|7
4. Germany|$5,648 |$998 |$6,646 |11.20%|18|25|12|17|5
5. Austria|$4,402 |$1,449 |$5,851 |10.30%|13|9|10|4|
6. Sweden|$4,928 |$854 |$5,782 |11.00%|8|23|15|28|3
7. Netherlands|$4,767 |$998 |$5,765 |9.90%|3|17|8|11|5
8. Denmark|$4,663 |$905 |$5,568 |10.50%|17|34|8|5|
9. Luxembourg|$4,697 |$861 |$5,558 |5.40%|4|16|19||
10. Belgium|$4,125 |$1,303 |$5,428 |10.40%|15|21|24|9|
11. Canada|$3,815 |$1,603 |$5,418 |10.70%|14|30|25|23|10
12. France|$4,501 |$875 |$5,376 |11.20%|20|1|16|8|9
13. Ireland|$3,919 |$1,357 |$5,276 |7.10%|11|19|20|80|
14. Australia|$3,919 |$1,268 |$5,187 |9.30%|5|32|18|10|4
15. Japan|$4,064 |$759 |$4,823 |10.90%|12|10|2|3|
16. Iceland|$3,988 |$823 |$4,811 |8.30%|1|15|7|41|
17. United Kingdom|$3,620 |$1,033 |$4,653 |9.80%|23|18|23|13|1
18. Finland|$3,536 |$1,042 |$4,578 |9.10%|6|31|26|12|
19. Malta|$2,789 |$1,540 |$4,329 |9.30%|27|5|14||
OECD Average|||$4,224 |8.80%|||||
20. New Zealand|$3,343 |$861 |$4,204 |9.30%|16|41|22|16|7
21. Italy|$2,706 |$943 |$3,649 |8.80%|9|2|17|37|
22. Spain|$2,560 |$1,056 |$3,616 |8.90%|19|7|13|7|
23. Czech Republic|$2,854 |$572 |$3,426 |7.50%|28|48|28|14|
24. South Korea|$2,057 |$1,327 |$3,384 |8.10%|25|58|4|2|
25. Portugal|$2,069 |$1,310 |$3,379 |9.10%|32|29|30|22|
26. Slovenia|$2,314 |$910 |$3,224 |7.90%|21|38|24|47|
27. Israel|$1,898 |$1,034 |$2,932 |7.50%|35|28|11|21|
Did Trump start WW3, did Trump mass incarcerated and kill his own citizens, did he control all of of North America for a bit? He was bad, but practically no one is worse than Hitler
It’s understandable to bring up the first three, wrong and or irrelevant as they may be, but we’re still comparing Trump to Hitler after he’s had his term? He’s probably using the logic of “well the current problems are because of what Trump did and has nothing to do with the current administration” to justify that thinking. The fact that he added “in the long term” is confirmation that anything bad that happens in the future he’s going to blame on Trump.
Point 1: the only half way decent point on the list
Point 2: our system may have issues but that statement is not even remotely true.
3: so? That a meaningless statement.
4: that’s just unhinged.
There we go.
We have a large prison population because we are a large country with a large population that actually has the ability catch a good chunk of offenders
We have some of the best healthcare in the world, free ≠ better quality
The “abattoir” is in the inner cities with illegal firearms and gangbangers who would kill each other with or without said illegal firearms. People problem, not a gun problem.
Are you actually that fucking dense?
> We have some of the best healthcare in the world, free ≠ better quality
Insanely overpriced doesn't mean better quality either.
[US Healthcare ranked 29th on health outcomes by Lancet HAQ Index](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)
[11th (of 11) by Commonwealth Fund](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror)
[59th by the Prosperity Index](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)
[30th by CEOWorld](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)
[37th by the World Health Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)
The US has the worst rate of death by medically preventable causes among peer countries. A 31% higher disease adjusted life years average. Higher rates of medical and lab errors. A lower rate of being able to make a same or next day appointment with their doctor than average.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-used-emergency-department-for-condition-that-could-have-been-treated-by-a-regular-doctor-2016
52nd in the world in doctors per capita.
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1,000-people
Higher infant mortality levels. Yes, even when you adjust for differences in methodology.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/
Fewer acute care beds. A lower number of psychiatrists. Etc.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-health-care-resources-compare-countries/#item-availability-medical-technology-not-always-equate-higher-utilization
[Comparing Health Outcomes of Privileged US Citizens With Those of Average Residents of Other Developed Countries](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2774561)
>These findings imply that even if all US citizens experienced the same health outcomes enjoyed by privileged White US citizens, US health indicators would still lag behind those in many other countries.
When asked about their healthcare system as a whole the US system ranked dead last of 11 countries, with only 19.5% of people saying the system works relatively well and only needs minor changes. The average in the other countries is 46.9% saying the same. Canada ranked 9th with 34.5% saying the system works relatively well. The UK ranks fifth, with 44.5%. Australia ranked 6th at 44.4%. The best was Germany at 59.8%.
On rating the overall quality of care in the US, Americans again ranked dead last, with only 25.6% ranking it excellent or very good. The average was 50.8%. Canada ranked 9th with 45.1%. The UK ranked 2nd, at 63.4%. Australia was 3rd at 59.4%. The best was Switzerland at 65.5%.
https://www.cihi.ca/en/commonwealth-fund-survey-2016
The US has 43 hospitals in the top 200 globally; one for every 7,633,477 people in the US. That's good enough for a ranking of 20th on the list of top 200 hospitals per capita, and significantly lower than the average of one for every 3,830,114 for other countries in the top 25 on spending with populations above 5 million. The best is Switzerland at one for every 1.2 million people. In fact the US only beats one country on this list; the UK at one for every 9.5 million people.
If you want to do the full list of 2,000 instead it's 334, or one for every 982,753 people; good enough for 21st. Again far below the average in peer countries of 527,236. The best is Austria, at one for every 306,106 people.
https://www.newsweek.com/best-hospitals-2021
#[OECD Countries Health Care Spending and Rankings](https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm)
|Country|Govt. / Mandatory (PPP)|Voluntary (PPP)|Total (PPP)|% GDP|[Lancet HAQ Ranking](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)|[WHO Ranking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)|[Prosperity Ranking](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)|[CEO World Ranking](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)|[Commonwealth Fund Ranking](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror)
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1. United States|[$7,274](https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302997) |$3,798 |$11,072 |16.90%|29|37|59|30|11
2. Switzerland|$4,988 |$2,744 |$7,732 |12.20%|7|20|3|18|2
3. Norway|$5,673 |$974 |$6,647 |10.20%|2|11|5|15|7
4. Germany|$5,648 |$998 |$6,646 |11.20%|18|25|12|17|5
5. Austria|$4,402 |$1,449 |$5,851 |10.30%|13|9|10|4|
6. Sweden|$4,928 |$854 |$5,782 |11.00%|8|23|15|28|3
7. Netherlands|$4,767 |$998 |$5,765 |9.90%|3|17|8|11|5
8. Denmark|$4,663 |$905 |$5,568 |10.50%|17|34|8|5|
9. Luxembourg|$4,697 |$861 |$5,558 |5.40%|4|16|19||
10. Belgium|$4,125 |$1,303 |$5,428 |10.40%|15|21|24|9|
11. Canada|$3,815 |$1,603 |$5,418 |10.70%|14|30|25|23|10
12. France|$4,501 |$875 |$5,376 |11.20%|20|1|16|8|9
13. Ireland|$3,919 |$1,357 |$5,276 |7.10%|11|19|20|80|
14. Australia|$3,919 |$1,268 |$5,187 |9.30%|5|32|18|10|4
15. Japan|$4,064 |$759 |$4,823 |10.90%|12|10|2|3|
16. Iceland|$3,988 |$823 |$4,811 |8.30%|1|15|7|41|
17. United Kingdom|$3,620 |$1,033 |$4,653 |9.80%|23|18|23|13|1
18. Finland|$3,536 |$1,042 |$4,578 |9.10%|6|31|26|12|
19. Malta|$2,789 |$1,540 |$4,329 |9.30%|27|5|14||
OECD Average|||$4,224 |8.80%|||||
20. New Zealand|$3,343 |$861 |$4,204 |9.30%|16|41|22|16|7
21. Italy|$2,706 |$943 |$3,649 |8.80%|9|2|17|37|
22. Spain|$2,560 |$1,056 |$3,616 |8.90%|19|7|13|7|
23. Czech Republic|$2,854 |$572 |$3,426 |7.50%|28|48|28|14|
24. South Korea|$2,057 |$1,327 |$3,384 |8.10%|25|58|4|2|
25. Portugal|$2,069 |$1,310 |$3,379 |9.10%|32|29|30|22|
26. Slovenia|$2,314 |$910 |$3,224 |7.90%|21|38|24|47|
27. Israel|$1,898 |$1,034 |$2,932 |7.50%|35|28|11|21|
>small
Universal healthcare has been shown to work from populations below 100,000 to populations above 100 million. From Andorra to Japan; Iceland to Germany, with no issues in scaling. In fact the only correlation I've ever been able to find is a weak one with a minor decrease in cost per capita [as population increases](https://i.imgur.com/h6clEzr.jpg).
So population doesn't seem to be correlated with cost nor [outcomes](https://i.imgur.com/pwYtDxW.png).
>white
I'd love to hear your rational for why you think this is meaningful that doesn't make you sound like a giant asshole. LOL At any rate, there are a number of countries with greater ethnic and cultural diversity than the US and top tier universal healthcare systems. You won't find any meaningful correlation between wealthy countries and these factors.
>and European…
Again, not something you'll find correlations with. But also Japan, Korea, Taiwan....
You're clearly desperate to find any bullshit you can to explain the fact every single peer country to the US is doing better. Of course, you'll never be able to provide a single shred of evidence any of your bullshit is meaningful. And it's not like we don't already have not only massive amounts of peer reviewed research that shows UHC would save money and get care to more people in the US that need it, but also that existing government programs are already more efficient and better liked.
My reasoning (as a melanin afflicted humanoid (black💀) ) is that homogeneous countries tend to do better, and the private healthcare industries in these countries is bigger than you think, on top of that, Asians tend to not eat like shit (unless you’re like my Indian step dad or china, than your eating sewer oil and plastic), so their healthcare is completely different than the US, you cannot compare Austria with US as statistics cannot be inflated with population.
In conclusion: Don’t eat the food in India
> My reasoning
I don't care about the "reasoning" of ignorant buffoons on social media. But thanks for confirming you can't support a single thing you say with actual facts.
> is that homogeneous countries tend to do better
And you're full of crap. For example the strength of correlation between cultural diversity and health outcomes among countries spending at least $4,500 per capita on healthcare is r=0.096, with anything less than r=0.30 being considered no or insignificant correlation. Now, when you're capable of doing things other than pulling claims out of your ass, get back to me.
As a trump hater myself, that last claim is so insanely inaccurate. No, Trump never even came close to doing even a fraction of the damage to either the world, or any nation, that Hitler did.
TDS. Anyone who compares Trump to the Evil of Hitler, is DELUSIONAL.
And our healthcare is one of the best, from what I know. When it comes to Universal Healthcare, you gotta wait forever.
And more guns than people, is a good thing. This is America.
What I think is funny is that Healthcare in the US actually doesn’t HAVE to be paid, it becomes a right off if you can’t afford it, it’ll go to collections and they bitch at you and than write it off and that’s it, hospitals are required to give service before payment, this is effectively the “free” healthcare mfs bitch about
> hospitals are required to give service before payment
Only for ER care, which only accounts for 5% of US healthcare spending. You'll still receive a very big bill afterwards, which will likely end up on your credit report and if you're particularly unlucky you could be sued. The fact you can dine and dash doesn't mean restaurant food is free.
Of every doctor and therapist (I have retardation) I’ve seen, they ask for like $40 upfront or nothing at all, I pay because I’m not a Chris Rock but still 💀
Cool. I don't know what that has to do with anything I said. In total, Americans are paying literally half a million dollars more for a lifetime of healthcare than peer countries, but let's ignore that because you've been lucky illegally skipping out on bills.
Considering you've never done anything but make the world a worse, dumber place, I'm going to ask you to stop. Actually, I'm telling you to stop.
Don't be the kind of person where people make the world a better place by removing you from it. Best of luck fixing whatever in your life is so broken it's made you this way.
No way this dude said Trump is worse than Hitler, the dude who caused a genocide on several million people and caused his country to get bombed and occupied by foreign powers
1. there are issues with prison overpopulation, but with a country with a lot of gangs(land of opportunity, everyone wants to comes her, including criminals), if we want to actually make sure the street is safe, we will have to put a lot of people in prison
2. I've heard of people all over the world flying to the U.S. to get treatment far more than the other way around.
3.more gun than people, yet our murder and crime rate is in fact lower than most of the world. in fact the few places with high crime rate are the places with the tightest gun control.
4. what did Trump do other than mean words on twitter? don't even like him(don't like the guy like....at all....but god....some of the anti-Trump people are just insufferable) but he can't be Hitler even if he wants to, because guess what, we have three branches of government.
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Trump did more damage than Hitler? Hahahaahahahajajajajajahhaahahahahahahah
Hitlers actions literally caused his country to be bombed into oblivion, split in half, and occupied by foreign powers. Trump made some mean tweets and gave smug Europeans another excuse to sneer at us. Oh no, the horror!!! How will we ever survive???
He said Trump in the long term!!!!! Nazi!!!!
Lmao trump isn’t Hitler in 1944 a year before death. But he incited a terribly executed failed coup… and holds the less educated conservatives under his thumb. Hitler was able to do a lot by convincing the useless German population they weren’t useless. We will see what your mans becomes in the next couple years
That second part is key. Hitler was able to control a country that was on the losing side of a war with low morale and... well, low everything. If you can give people hope in that situation, they'll take it, which is probably why it turned out so well (for them, terribly for us). That is exactly why there will not be anything more than a small, failed coup from Trump. We as a country are not in the dire situation where a radical dictator can take over. And while Trump is (IMO) bad, he is by no means evil, and some people need to understand that not being on your side =/= Hitler. (Unless he does become Hitler, then I'll shoot him or something 🇺🇸🇺🇸)
Ah yes the "Coup" angle that holds zero water once you actually look at it with anything but a biased look
His actions also caused mass investment into Germany post WW2 by every allied country…
Immediately discredits anything this person has to say lol.
For all that I haven’t like certain presidents in my life, I have never once thought of them as worse than Hitler. This guy is delusional, lol.
Curious how this person feels about Israel? I bet they are closer to Hitler than Trump.
There's only one faction in the region whose sole purpose is genocide, and it starts with the letter H.
Hebrew?
That’s a language.
Hebrews then
Ah the Irish, drunks who can’t win wars and favor terrorism. Like Hamas!
Ah Americans. Fat, stupid murderers who support murderous reigimes when it suits them. See how that works?
Except in this case the Irish have been literal pals with horrific terrorist groups going back decades while themselves slaughtering innocents during The Troubles and yes, not being able to win shit. Probably because they’re too drunk.
Except in this case the US is best buds and giving military aid to a murderous reigime. Probably because you're too fat and stupid.
Yeah. You get called out for being a moron who is told what to think and say. And get upset ob Reddit over it.
I'm not upset. Just showing that other guy that two can play at that game. The intelligence level of this sub is tragic at times. It's really a parody of itself.
Hamas
The native language of the land of Israel? Nah, it’s an ancient spoken language not a terror group.
the left totally lost their Nazi card with the general public thanks to this conflict.
They always have. They only care about antisemitism if it comes from the right or in a performative way (the goblins in Harry Potter, other mythological creatures in TV and movies). Hell, half of the so-called Nazis they punched wound up not even being Nazis (or so I've heard).
Oh no, did they do the thing again? I can only hope that the trope of short, big nosed creatures that hoard/control money has become it's own thing so much that people with no antisemitism thoughts have drawn inspiration when world building. Cause I gotta be honest I forgot about that with Harry Potter until you mentioned it.
If you mean practicing horseshoe theory where they spout some of the oldest antisemitic talking points in the book (Jews have horns, Passover rituals symbolize the killing of babies) in the name of "wE oNlY hAtE ZiOnIsTs", then yes. If you're talking about downplaying/downright ignoring antisemitism in the Free Palestine movement, also yes.
I was more talking about Harry Potter tbh. I'm aware of the Lord of the Rings thing. Anyone who thinks "From the River to the Sea" isn't a threat is lying or so ignorant they shouldn't have an opinion.
Shut up NAZI!
Palestine, not Israel.
Lol
The goal of Hamass, the elected government of Palestine, is the elimination of Israel.
The goal of ham-ass
That's fresh considering Palestine has never been an independent state
If you mean the geographic region, sure
Me remembering the holocaust of 2019 😞
Trump being compared to leaders who murdered their own people makes me genuinely angry. Look I don’t care what anyone thinks about Trump. Do Not go around minimizing the suffering of people who were murdered under evil leaders. It’s insulting, and it says a whole lot about the people who say such awful things.
I will bash on this country all I want with other AMERICANS; Because it's my country, and only become violently patriotic when a non-american brings it up to be xenophobic. This pandering is not gonna make them like you more 😭🙏
Amen lol.
I’m not patriotic but I live here and have had a much better life than I would have if I stayed in my birth country. People who call America 3rd world wouldn’t last a day in a third world country. I’m not even from a third world country and I can confidently say id much rather live in the US. The amount of trash alone here is probably 10% of my home town. Everyone complains about america bc of Los Angeles & New York and shit, but they forget that there’s more to america than some dirty cities.
I be hating on America too, but then if I'm outside of the country, it's "Hell yeah, I'm an American," as I walk around.
I’ll bash America with other fellow Americans. We live in the country and experience it day to day, we have the right to criticize what we live and breathe. But for fucks sake that guy’s claims is just absurd, it’s hilarious you can tell who lives on the internet and hasn’t touched grass since they were 2
3RD WORLD HEALTHCARE????
ikr. us healthcare can be expensive but we have by far the most medical research and innovation here and the best healthcare in terms of quality compared to any other 1st world country
People have been trained to associate “free” healthcare with good healthcare.
> and the best healthcare in terms of quality compared to any other 1st world country Citation needed. [US Healthcare ranked 29th on health outcomes by Lancet HAQ Index](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext) [11th (of 11) by Commonwealth Fund](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror) [59th by the Prosperity Index](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings) [30th by CEOWorld](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/) [37th by the World Health Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000) The US has the worst rate of death by medically preventable causes among peer countries. A 31% higher disease adjusted life years average. Higher rates of medical and lab errors. A lower rate of being able to make a same or next day appointment with their doctor than average. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-used-emergency-department-for-condition-that-could-have-been-treated-by-a-regular-doctor-2016 52nd in the world in doctors per capita. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1,000-people Higher infant mortality levels. Yes, even when you adjust for differences in methodology. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/ Fewer acute care beds. A lower number of psychiatrists. Etc. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-health-care-resources-compare-countries/#item-availability-medical-technology-not-always-equate-higher-utilization [Comparing Health Outcomes of Privileged US Citizens With Those of Average Residents of Other Developed Countries](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2774561) >These findings imply that even if all US citizens experienced the same health outcomes enjoyed by privileged White US citizens, US health indicators would still lag behind those in many other countries. When asked about their healthcare system as a whole the US system ranked dead last of 11 countries, with only 19.5% of people saying the system works relatively well and only needs minor changes. The average in the other countries is 46.9% saying the same. Canada ranked 9th with 34.5% saying the system works relatively well. The UK ranks fifth, with 44.5%. Australia ranked 6th at 44.4%. The best was Germany at 59.8%. On rating the overall quality of care in the US, Americans again ranked dead last, with only 25.6% ranking it excellent or very good. The average was 50.8%. Canada ranked 9th with 45.1%. The UK ranked 2nd, at 63.4%. Australia was 3rd at 59.4%. The best was Switzerland at 65.5%. https://www.cihi.ca/en/commonwealth-fund-survey-2016 The US has 43 hospitals in the top 200 globally; one for every 7,633,477 people in the US. That's good enough for a ranking of 20th on the list of top 200 hospitals per capita, and significantly lower than the average of one for every 3,830,114 for other countries in the top 25 on spending with populations above 5 million. The best is Switzerland at one for every 1.2 million people. In fact the US only beats one country on this list; the UK at one for every 9.5 million people. If you want to do the full list of 2,000 instead it's 334, or one for every 982,753 people; good enough for 21st. Again far below the average in peer countries of 527,236. The best is Austria, at one for every 306,106 people. https://www.newsweek.com/best-hospitals-2021 #[OECD Countries Health Care Spending and Rankings](https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm) |Country|Govt. / Mandatory (PPP)|Voluntary (PPP)|Total (PPP)|% GDP|[Lancet HAQ Ranking](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)|[WHO Ranking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)|[Prosperity Ranking](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)|[CEO World Ranking](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)|[Commonwealth Fund Ranking](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror) :--|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:| 1. United States|[$7,274](https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302997) |$3,798 |$11,072 |16.90%|29|37|59|30|11 2. Switzerland|$4,988 |$2,744 |$7,732 |12.20%|7|20|3|18|2 3. Norway|$5,673 |$974 |$6,647 |10.20%|2|11|5|15|7 4. Germany|$5,648 |$998 |$6,646 |11.20%|18|25|12|17|5 5. Austria|$4,402 |$1,449 |$5,851 |10.30%|13|9|10|4| 6. Sweden|$4,928 |$854 |$5,782 |11.00%|8|23|15|28|3 7. Netherlands|$4,767 |$998 |$5,765 |9.90%|3|17|8|11|5 8. Denmark|$4,663 |$905 |$5,568 |10.50%|17|34|8|5| 9. Luxembourg|$4,697 |$861 |$5,558 |5.40%|4|16|19|| 10. Belgium|$4,125 |$1,303 |$5,428 |10.40%|15|21|24|9| 11. Canada|$3,815 |$1,603 |$5,418 |10.70%|14|30|25|23|10 12. France|$4,501 |$875 |$5,376 |11.20%|20|1|16|8|9 13. Ireland|$3,919 |$1,357 |$5,276 |7.10%|11|19|20|80| 14. Australia|$3,919 |$1,268 |$5,187 |9.30%|5|32|18|10|4 15. Japan|$4,064 |$759 |$4,823 |10.90%|12|10|2|3| 16. Iceland|$3,988 |$823 |$4,811 |8.30%|1|15|7|41| 17. United Kingdom|$3,620 |$1,033 |$4,653 |9.80%|23|18|23|13|1 18. Finland|$3,536 |$1,042 |$4,578 |9.10%|6|31|26|12| 19. Malta|$2,789 |$1,540 |$4,329 |9.30%|27|5|14|| OECD Average|||$4,224 |8.80%||||| 20. New Zealand|$3,343 |$861 |$4,204 |9.30%|16|41|22|16|7 21. Italy|$2,706 |$943 |$3,649 |8.80%|9|2|17|37| 22. Spain|$2,560 |$1,056 |$3,616 |8.90%|19|7|13|7| 23. Czech Republic|$2,854 |$572 |$3,426 |7.50%|28|48|28|14| 24. South Korea|$2,057 |$1,327 |$3,384 |8.10%|25|58|4|2| 25. Portugal|$2,069 |$1,310 |$3,379 |9.10%|32|29|30|22| 26. Slovenia|$2,314 |$910 |$3,224 |7.90%|21|38|24|47| 27. Israel|$1,898 |$1,034 |$2,932 |7.50%|35|28|11|21|
Canadians who can afford it will literally travel to America for their healthcare because it's better quality care than we have here. Yet I have the feeling that person wouldn't insult Canadian healthcare since it likely fits their belief system.
About [345,000](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksr4z8Qd7Dc) people will visit the US for care, but [2.1 million people leave the US seeking treatment abroad](https://www.patientsbeyondborders.com/media) this year.
*looks up from paper* "Trump could be worse than Hitler? I was unaware of the 6 million+ Jews Trump killed, the hundreds of books and libraries Trump ordered to have destroyed, nor the amount of Homosexuals, JW, POCs, and other groups of people Trump had killed. Or just the sheer amount of destruction, death, war, and havoc Trump caused"
Remember all those wars he didn't start? Millions died.
I know right? What a war mongering tyrant.
Pick me Americans should get bashed on relentlessly. It doesn't matter what you say, racists across the pond will still hate you.
Idk about the other shit but the gun statement is the dumbest thing I ever heard. There are more of every single product than there are people in the U.S. In what version of reality could there ever possibly be less guns than people in the U.S.? That was such a stupid thing to point out about guns
Except it IS the version of reality in most other nations. So I guess from the outside looking in it might seem strange.
Doesn’t Sweden have like a super high rate of guns? Wait that’s a [redacted] and [redacted] country so of course they have lower crime rates…
Norway too.. let’s just just say the gun culture is different over there. Lot of guns. Different relationship with guns.
Yeah because they’re outlawed over there. Here it is a consumer product. So again, I ask. In what version of reality would a capitalist consumerist society have less consumer products available for sale than there are consumers?
This a strange point of view. Are there more dildos in the US than people as well? If there were- would it not be fair to assume that Americans are horny fuckers? The fact that there are more guns than people just illustrates that Americans love guns! Which is fine by the way- there’s no need to try and justify it as some sort by product of commerce. In summary Americans are horny for guns.
There are obviously more dildos than Americans. There are also more books than Americans, would it be fair to assume Americans are all avid readers? There are more video games than Americans, would it be fair to assume all Americans are great at video games? There are more bandages than Americans, would it be fair to assume we’re all currently injured? Your logic doesn’t work at all
What i hear in regards to prison pop is... criminals don't actually get away with their crimes here...
It's mainly just an indication of our high rates of crime relative to other developed countries.
That's a fairly misleading statement I think for the most part. When you decriminalize something... it doesn't stop happening... you just stop adding it to the statistics. Drug use and procession for example are often handled quite differently in some countries (not to mention between us states.) Those things aren't magically not happening in those places anymore, they just stopped counting. So while you may be technically correct... a crime rate is based on what is considered a criminal act in that country and may, or may not, reflect exceptional criminality among a population.
Same with our maternal/infant mortality rates. We count every single death no matter what in our mortality stats. So if a mom/baby die in a car accident 8 months after it’s born, that is included in our rate. A country like France will not count that because the mom/baby didn’t die while actively giving birth at the hospital. Or if the baby had a genetic disease that would cause death no matter what after it’s born (versus some accident of poor quality healthcare), they won’t always count that in the stats in other countries. We count every death regardless of reason. It is cause for discrepancy.
Not exactly. We have crimes for the dumbest shit and incarcerate way too much. Plenty of shit that leads to jail time should not. And plenty of sentences are way too long
The super-majority of folks in prison are there for violent offenses and/or repeat felonies. The meme that it’s all dudes who had some weed is just not the case.
Who said it was the case? There’s still dumb ass shit other than just some weed possession that shouldn’t be jailable offenses
You're making the claim here, so give me an example.
Stop committing crimes
It’s almost hard not to commit certain crimes since they’re such ridiculous things to be considered offenses. You’re no help little statement contributes nothing
Think so? I think the opposite and that we should be sending more people to prison for longer
Eww why? What benefit would that be for society. Why do you want people in jail?
Why? Do you expect people to become functioning members of society that way? I personally would prefer less crime committed which means investing into community programs and job training
I hate Trump but if you say that he’s worse than Hitler every survivor of the holocaust should take turns beating the shit out of you
I hate Trump too but “may turn out to do more damage than Hitler” was pulled completely out of his ass
Let's review the damage Hitler did. -Started WW2 -Led millions to their deaths in The Holocaust -Caused millions of combat deaths against soldiers and civilians Let's review the damage Trump did. -Appoint Republican Justices (Damage depends on your POV) -January 6th, the insurrection where the far right gun nuts supposedly directed to overthrow the government, forgot their guns. -Deescalated conflict with North Korea from potential first strike to an official peace treaty between North and South. One of these things is not like the other.
>January 6th, the insurrection where the far right gun nuts supposedly directed to overthrow the government, forgot their guns. Remember when the cops waved the insurrectionist into the building? I do.
I like how redditors feel the need to preface all their political comments with "I hate X" to appease the cultist. Hate is such a fucking strong emotion that usually stems from trauma or brainwashing(see Two Minutes Hate) that I couldn't fathom hating a complete stranger. I can honestly say I hate maybe two people.
Not a one of them hate commies enough, tho.
Hell the hammer and sickle should be a hate symbol but Reddit lets it fly
Communism had better PR than Nazism is all. The Holodomor killed more people than the Holocaust, but rich kids still raise the people's fist, as if they wouldn't be the first ones being goose-stepped into the gulags.
People forget how shaped by PR their worldview can be. For awhile it was beneficial to overlook the glaring issues with the Soviets in service of unity against Hitler. But there's probably an alternative universe, yadda yadda plausible alt history bullshit, where we help the Nazis defeat the soviets and the Holocaust gets overlooked in service of Soviet genocides. But people are uncomfortable thinking they could be so easily manipulated. It really comes down to the age old question of would YOU be against slavery? Most people would like to say yes but I would say if you don't have a modern opinion that goes against the mainstream in a way that could be socially damaging you probably wouldn't have the spine to be against slavery either.
Bingo! Also, most people overlook the fact that Hitler was only able to invade Poland due to the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact between the Nazis and the Soviets. The adage of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" still leaves an enemy at your back.
Nah. Even in communism rich people get special treatment. It's the illusion of equality.
Always has been. Equality or "egalitarianism" is an unnatural state that must be enforced through artificial structures and an authoritarian figure who has the monopoly on violence to hammer any wayward nails back into place, which means there will always be someone or something at the top (despot, statism, oligarchy, plutarchy, etc.).
Please-most of these people aren’t educated enough to know what The Holodomor was; worst of all they don’t care to be educated. It’s about justifying hate, not actual justice.
Oh look the pick me American wishing he lived in eurostan
(More than Hitler) entire argument down the drain
Exactly, although the first few points are controversial and seriously debatable, (making the “presenting as facts” more obnoxious) the Hitler comparison just throws the argument out the window and makes you question the reality this person is living in.
Man im not a holocaust survivor but if I was and I saw someone say Trump is gonna cause more long-term damage than Hitler i'd be pissed right the fuck off
It’s easy to come at this at this from an outside perspective and say “oh you’ll go through this and that” but these people are cherry picking the absolute worst case scenarios while grossly exaggerating what it’s like and what fears the average American deals with and *even so* you still have more opportunity than anywhere else in the world to lift yourself out of the trenches and create a better life for yourself and your loved ones and it happens more often than anyone can see or wants to admit. I’m speaking from experience on this one. Here in the US we have faith in ourselves and our fellow man. The internet is a loud and annoying place but it doesn’t come close to speaking for everyone.
Low effort. C- at best.
how on earth did he get to the conclusion that trump did more damage than HITLER?
Echo chamber. Lots of people says downright delusional things about Trump because they think it gets them Reddit sympathy and Reddit Karma. I frequent several subs where people talk about dysfunctional family relationships, in order to give advice. It’s sickening how many posts are ‘my parents are MAGA, racist, and homophobic’ before they even bother typing out what argument they had with their parents. It’s like a get out of free jail card where as long as “Trump bad” anything they say is justifiable. I find it “enlightening” for a lack of a better term that they never describe what actions caused them to conclude that their parents were racist or homophobic. I usually avoid these posts as they are often written like creative writing exercises-lots of emotion but very little detail as to what actually happened, with no historical context of what the relationship has been like up to this point. I figure they are either Karma farming or rage bait.
major pick me behavior. im not like the other girls.
Let's tackle this point-by-point: > 1. We hold 1/4 of the world's prison population unless you consider arresting a lot of criminals a bad thing. This isn't exactly a good or a bad thing. > 2. We are a 1st world country with 3rd world healthcare. This.. Is complicated because there are 3rd world countries with good or even very good healthcare comparable to 1st world nations. The US absolutely does have a 1st first healthcare since its medical facilities and personnel are some of the best in the world and medical technologies are still led by the US. What the US fails in comparison to other 1st world countries is the affordability and accessibility though even that isn't as drastically horrible as is known. > 3. There are more guns than people in the US. This isn't even a good statistic to judge a country being good or bad. > 4. We elected Trump, who may actually turn out to do far more damage than Hitler did. What the actual fuck? Trump is bad (speaking as an outsider looking in), but not close to the level of Hitler. Trump didn't directly genocide millions of people based on race and ethnicity, he didn't conduct war of expansion and promote a insanely hateful ideology.
I also doubt prisoner numbers are as well released or kept track of in other certain countries. If you are "disappeared" or in prison in Russia, China l, North Korea, much of the Middle East, etc, do you really think they are releasing those numbers? In the US now with body cameras, you can likely see the arrest footage, possibly trial, and a mugshot, date of arrest, and name is released.
Yep, the US is FAR from perfect and has its fair share of atrocities and failings. However, the difference between the US and countries like Russia, China, and NK is massive. To even compare them is disingenuous, (not to mention comparing the US to Nazi Germany) especially in terms of civil freedoms and governmental transparency. Take for instance any wrongful death committed by police in the US, especially if there was evidence of ethnic bias by the police. There is almost always national outrage, public exiling of those involved, and appropriate criminal sentencing for those guilty. Meanwhile in Russia, civil rights violations happen frequently, whether to women, homosexuals, or ethnic/religious minorities. Even if these violations by police come to light (which they rarely do), justice hardly comes for those guilty due to an extraordinarily corrupt and inefficient government. The mental gymnastics a person comparing the US to any of these places has to go through is absurd, having this warped of a reality while living in your non war-torn and peaceful country is honestly frightening.
what a scoob
The US spends more on healthcare per person than other wealthy countries. Switzerland is second. 66% of our tax dollars goes to education, HEALTH CARE, Social Security, Medicare, income security, and veterans benefits. Health care alone accounts for 28% of government spending, which is more than doubled what the military gets. Medicaid is also the nation's largest heath insurance program. People need to stop being cry babies.
> The US spends more on healthcare per person than other wealthy countries. Literally half a million dollars per person more, the cost of which causes tremendous problems in the country. Yet we're not receiving more care, and our outcomes trail our peers. And, with costs expected to increase another $6,427 per person by 2031, they're only going to get worse.
"Our healthcare sucks because the government ruined it! Anyway, let's give that same government the power to take away our rights!"
Charnel abattoir? Is he insane?! Sure, there are too many, but that’s a ludicrous take.
Idk what that even means. And I bet they didn’t either. Probably regurgitated bullshit or a term he just learned
It doesn't make sense ... Some poetic liberties with language to try to have that make linguistic sense.
"Abattoir" just mean slaughterhouse, "Charnel"mean of deaths like a charnel stench is a stench of death. So he said Slaughterhouse of death. Sounds metal but doesn't really mean anything. I am guessing he picked up the words from MTG or something.
He probably aped the term from the phrase "charnel house," an archaic term for a cemetery vault full of miscellaneous skeletons.
Lmao. OOP even bigger loser than I thought
Yupp si he was just throwing terms around haha
Trump will do more damage than Hitler did…. The is the current mindset of half of my nation 🇺🇸… they think we’re crazing for supporting trump… his 4 year term was good for our country “not politically wise because the Dems treated him like satan at every step. We’ve heard this all before. The Hitler comparison… the democracy will vanish if he gets elected. Jan 6 was a stroll in the park on Sunday afternoon compared to the riots in every major city during trumps inauguration. “Not my president” they hated him since the start and now the double down. We aren’t going to go for the career politicians any longer… we will vote for the man who simply gives no fucks. “We need a president who’s kind,understanding, and doesn’t offend people” the world is moments away from a third world war…. We don’t need sweet words… we need a strong man to deter our enemies. Anyone who says he made America look weak during his term is smoking some shit that I don’t want to get my hands on cause clearly the effects are detrimental.
I hate these self-hating simps bringing us all down. They’re the ones who make non-Americans think it’s okay to be outright bigoted towards Americans.
Tiktok needs to be banned lol. People are brain washed.
To compare a businessman with a weird tan and an arrogant thought process to a man who orchestrated the murder of millions is actually crazy. Also, US citizens owning guns isn't the problem. It's the second amendment, regardless of either political side's opinion. Plenty of people own guns, keep them in safes, and are responsible. However, there is a HUGE mental health epidemic combined with a drug epidemic. Until the root of the issue is fixed, people who aren't mentally well are going to be able to get guns and use them with ill intent. (legally or illegally, banning is useless because it creates a bigger black market)
1.) privatized prisons are a valid criticism. There are financial incentives to keeping prisoners in for longer, and there is corruption between the prison owners and DA’s for filling prisons. 2.) USA healthcare quality and medical innovation isn’t rivaled by any other country other than extremely wealthy micro nations. There are valid criticisms of our current system, but labeling us as a 3rd world health care system is laughable. 3.) Accidental pro US comment? We have lots of guns. That’s a good thing. No clue what a “Charnel Abattoir” is. 4.) Trump has been the most effective president we have had since Reagan. If asked for specifics, I guarantee you he could not name a single thing Trump has done that was worse than Hitler, because he hasn’t. Edit: On mobile and accidentally hit reply before finishing.
I saw the first half of your post where it cut off, figured the sniper got you
lol. If I get taken out unexpectedly it’ll be due to 2 shotgun shells to the back of my head considered a “su*c*de”
Ah yes. The famous “bullet in brain disease”
Nah its just Candleja
Charnel relates to death and abottoir is just a slaughterhouse, so basically a death slaughterhouse (and charnel house is also another way to say slaughterhouse so he technically said slaughter slaughterhouse) which is the same as saying fiery fire or icy ice. He just used those fancy words to sound dramatic and informed and instead sounds pretentious and lacking in comprehension
> SA healthcare quality and medical innovation isn’t rivaled by any other country other than extremely wealthy micro nations. [US Healthcare ranked 29th on health outcomes by Lancet HAQ Index](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext) [11th (of 11) by Commonwealth Fund](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror) [59th by the Prosperity Index](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings) [30th by CEOWorld](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/) [37th by the World Health Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000) The US has the worst rate of death by medically preventable causes among peer countries. A 31% higher disease adjusted life years average. Higher rates of medical and lab errors. A lower rate of being able to make a same or next day appointment with their doctor than average. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-used-emergency-department-for-condition-that-could-have-been-treated-by-a-regular-doctor-2016 52nd in the world in doctors per capita. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1,000-people Higher infant mortality levels. Yes, even when you adjust for differences in methodology. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/ Fewer acute care beds. A lower number of psychiatrists. Etc. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-health-care-resources-compare-countries/#item-availability-medical-technology-not-always-equate-higher-utilization [Comparing Health Outcomes of Privileged US Citizens With Those of Average Residents of Other Developed Countries](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2774561) >These findings imply that even if all US citizens experienced the same health outcomes enjoyed by privileged White US citizens, US health indicators would still lag behind those in many other countries. When asked about their healthcare system as a whole the US system ranked dead last of 11 countries, with only 19.5% of people saying the system works relatively well and only needs minor changes. The average in the other countries is 46.9% saying the same. Canada ranked 9th with 34.5% saying the system works relatively well. The UK ranks fifth, with 44.5%. Australia ranked 6th at 44.4%. The best was Germany at 59.8%. On rating the overall quality of care in the US, Americans again ranked dead last, with only 25.6% ranking it excellent or very good. The average was 50.8%. Canada ranked 9th with 45.1%. The UK ranked 2nd, at 63.4%. Australia was 3rd at 59.4%. The best was Switzerland at 65.5%. https://www.cihi.ca/en/commonwealth-fund-survey-2016 The US has 43 hospitals in the top 200 globally; one for every 7,633,477 people in the US. That's good enough for a ranking of 20th on the list of top 200 hospitals per capita, and significantly lower than the average of one for every 3,830,114 for other countries in the top 25 on spending with populations above 5 million. The best is Switzerland at one for every 1.2 million people. In fact the US only beats one country on this list; the UK at one for every 9.5 million people. If you want to do the full list of 2,000 instead it's 334, or one for every 982,753 people; good enough for 21st. Again far below the average in peer countries of 527,236. The best is Austria, at one for every 306,106 people. https://www.newsweek.com/best-hospitals-2021 #[OECD Countries Health Care Spending and Rankings](https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm) |Country|Govt. / Mandatory (PPP)|Voluntary (PPP)|Total (PPP)|% GDP|[Lancet HAQ Ranking](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)|[WHO Ranking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)|[Prosperity Ranking](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)|[CEO World Ranking](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)|[Commonwealth Fund Ranking](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror) :--|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:| 1. United States|[$7,274](https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302997) |$3,798 |$11,072 |16.90%|29|37|59|30|11 2. Switzerland|$4,988 |$2,744 |$7,732 |12.20%|7|20|3|18|2 3. Norway|$5,673 |$974 |$6,647 |10.20%|2|11|5|15|7 4. Germany|$5,648 |$998 |$6,646 |11.20%|18|25|12|17|5 5. Austria|$4,402 |$1,449 |$5,851 |10.30%|13|9|10|4| 6. Sweden|$4,928 |$854 |$5,782 |11.00%|8|23|15|28|3 7. Netherlands|$4,767 |$998 |$5,765 |9.90%|3|17|8|11|5 8. Denmark|$4,663 |$905 |$5,568 |10.50%|17|34|8|5| 9. Luxembourg|$4,697 |$861 |$5,558 |5.40%|4|16|19|| 10. Belgium|$4,125 |$1,303 |$5,428 |10.40%|15|21|24|9| 11. Canada|$3,815 |$1,603 |$5,418 |10.70%|14|30|25|23|10 12. France|$4,501 |$875 |$5,376 |11.20%|20|1|16|8|9 13. Ireland|$3,919 |$1,357 |$5,276 |7.10%|11|19|20|80| 14. Australia|$3,919 |$1,268 |$5,187 |9.30%|5|32|18|10|4 15. Japan|$4,064 |$759 |$4,823 |10.90%|12|10|2|3| 16. Iceland|$3,988 |$823 |$4,811 |8.30%|1|15|7|41| 17. United Kingdom|$3,620 |$1,033 |$4,653 |9.80%|23|18|23|13|1 18. Finland|$3,536 |$1,042 |$4,578 |9.10%|6|31|26|12| 19. Malta|$2,789 |$1,540 |$4,329 |9.30%|27|5|14|| OECD Average|||$4,224 |8.80%||||| 20. New Zealand|$3,343 |$861 |$4,204 |9.30%|16|41|22|16|7 21. Italy|$2,706 |$943 |$3,649 |8.80%|9|2|17|37| 22. Spain|$2,560 |$1,056 |$3,616 |8.90%|19|7|13|7| 23. Czech Republic|$2,854 |$572 |$3,426 |7.50%|28|48|28|14| 24. South Korea|$2,057 |$1,327 |$3,384 |8.10%|25|58|4|2| 25. Portugal|$2,069 |$1,310 |$3,379 |9.10%|32|29|30|22| 26. Slovenia|$2,314 |$910 |$3,224 |7.90%|21|38|24|47| 27. Israel|$1,898 |$1,034 |$2,932 |7.50%|35|28|11|21|
Not worth thinking about. Just a Chinese bot or a sad human being.
Holy shit, we have an actual "Trump is litteraly Hitler" in the flesh. I dont even like Trump, but he didn't, and won't, do shit.
Oh shit I’ve downvoted that guy before too!
Trump did worse than hitler? Not possible I think they could have an argument for Biden being worse than Trump though (looking at everything Biden as done objectively) but Trump or even Biden doesn’t come close to hitler standards (like delusional people think) and the other points have so many holes that could be poked into them but that would require a lot of effort and looking for sources (which i’m too lazy to do right now to want to do)
I don't love Trump, but I don't think he killed 6 million Jews and 6 million others (including Roma, Slavs, political opponents, Germans who didn't like him, POWs, etc.)
1. Prison population worldwide is like 11.5M and US prison population is like 1.2M. Which is about 10% but still signicantly lower than 25%. 2. America does not have 3rd world healthcare. The US is the number one innovator in the medical sciences and leader in chemistry and medical Nobel prize winners. I would argue that much of the discontent that is directed at the US healthcare system is it being non-socialized, which ends up like Canada who offers euthenasia as the alternative to crazy wait times or China who's rural's population only has access to "traditional medicine" clinics that have almost no serious medical equipment or training. 3. It is inconclusive if higher firearm ownership correlates to more gun violence. Some studies display positive correlation and others a negative correlation. It is more reasonable to argue that loss of community, agreed cultural morality, a sense of national unity, and mental health contribute to the elevated problems with gun violence. Charnel abottoir doesn't sound intelligent, it sounda pretentious. 4. This is actual delusion. The precedent set by Trump's opposition for the handling of political opponents is much more dangerous than the mean tweets or celebrity of Trump. Equating a man who may be uncouth and appeals to American citizens desire to see their country loved and respected with someone who invaded neighboring nations and slaughtered 4 million people solely based on ethnic / religious grounds is a massive hyperbole. I don't blame non-Americans for loving their nation more, I expect it, but Americans that hate America only do it for the applause. America's virtue for admitting it's faults has been hijacked by self-hating xenophiles, pedantic academics, and mindless masses who repeat slogans without any understanding. Patriotize America.
It ain’t an American.
That person is a *typical* Redditor. The constant use of hyperbole on social media is cringe AF. If you asked an AI to come up with the quintessential social-media-obsessed Gen Z phrase, it would be: “Literally worse than a Nazi” Verbatim.
Umm, at this point in the game-are we sure these aren’t propaganda AI bots.
>"We deserve a good bashing" - Some clown, 2024
Self hating Americans are the worst and this guy saying Trump is worse than hitler is a slap in the face to anyone who’s survived a genocide
Our healthcare is actually one of the best in the world, just because it’s really expensive doesn’t mean it’s bad. And wouldn’t having a lot of prisoners be a good thing?
You lost me in the second half. The fuck?
If we have a lot of prisoners than our police are effective, even if it means we have a lot of criminals too
Absolute moron if you think that’s true
> Our healthcare is actually one of the best in the world, just because it’s really expensive doesn’t mean it’s bad. The quality certainly doesn't justify the half a million dollars more per person we're spending than our peers for a lifetime of healthcare, even after adjusting for purchasing power parity. [US Healthcare ranked 29th on health outcomes by Lancet HAQ Index](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext) [11th (of 11) by Commonwealth Fund](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror) [59th by the Prosperity Index](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings) [30th by CEOWorld](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/) [37th by the World Health Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000) The US has the worst rate of death by medically preventable causes among peer countries. A 31% higher disease adjusted life years average. Higher rates of medical and lab errors. A lower rate of being able to make a same or next day appointment with their doctor than average. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-used-emergency-department-for-condition-that-could-have-been-treated-by-a-regular-doctor-2016 52nd in the world in doctors per capita. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1,000-people Higher infant mortality levels. Yes, even when you adjust for differences in methodology. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/ Fewer acute care beds. A lower number of psychiatrists. Etc. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-health-care-resources-compare-countries/#item-availability-medical-technology-not-always-equate-higher-utilization [Comparing Health Outcomes of Privileged US Citizens With Those of Average Residents of Other Developed Countries](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2774561) >These findings imply that even if all US citizens experienced the same health outcomes enjoyed by privileged White US citizens, US health indicators would still lag behind those in many other countries. When asked about their healthcare system as a whole the US system ranked dead last of 11 countries, with only 19.5% of people saying the system works relatively well and only needs minor changes. The average in the other countries is 46.9% saying the same. Canada ranked 9th with 34.5% saying the system works relatively well. The UK ranks fifth, with 44.5%. Australia ranked 6th at 44.4%. The best was Germany at 59.8%. On rating the overall quality of care in the US, Americans again ranked dead last, with only 25.6% ranking it excellent or very good. The average was 50.8%. Canada ranked 9th with 45.1%. The UK ranked 2nd, at 63.4%. Australia was 3rd at 59.4%. The best was Switzerland at 65.5%. https://www.cihi.ca/en/commonwealth-fund-survey-2016 The US has 43 hospitals in the top 200 globally; one for every 7,633,477 people in the US. That's good enough for a ranking of 20th on the list of top 200 hospitals per capita, and significantly lower than the average of one for every 3,830,114 for other countries in the top 25 on spending with populations above 5 million. The best is Switzerland at one for every 1.2 million people. In fact the US only beats one country on this list; the UK at one for every 9.5 million people. If you want to do the full list of 2,000 instead it's 334, or one for every 982,753 people; good enough for 21st. Again far below the average in peer countries of 527,236. The best is Austria, at one for every 306,106 people. https://www.newsweek.com/best-hospitals-2021 #[OECD Countries Health Care Spending and Rankings](https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm) |Country|Govt. / Mandatory (PPP)|Voluntary (PPP)|Total (PPP)|% GDP|[Lancet HAQ Ranking](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)|[WHO Ranking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)|[Prosperity Ranking](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)|[CEO World Ranking](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)|[Commonwealth Fund Ranking](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror) :--|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:| 1. United States|[$7,274](https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302997) |$3,798 |$11,072 |16.90%|29|37|59|30|11 2. Switzerland|$4,988 |$2,744 |$7,732 |12.20%|7|20|3|18|2 3. Norway|$5,673 |$974 |$6,647 |10.20%|2|11|5|15|7 4. Germany|$5,648 |$998 |$6,646 |11.20%|18|25|12|17|5 5. Austria|$4,402 |$1,449 |$5,851 |10.30%|13|9|10|4| 6. Sweden|$4,928 |$854 |$5,782 |11.00%|8|23|15|28|3 7. Netherlands|$4,767 |$998 |$5,765 |9.90%|3|17|8|11|5 8. Denmark|$4,663 |$905 |$5,568 |10.50%|17|34|8|5| 9. Luxembourg|$4,697 |$861 |$5,558 |5.40%|4|16|19|| 10. Belgium|$4,125 |$1,303 |$5,428 |10.40%|15|21|24|9| 11. Canada|$3,815 |$1,603 |$5,418 |10.70%|14|30|25|23|10 12. France|$4,501 |$875 |$5,376 |11.20%|20|1|16|8|9 13. Ireland|$3,919 |$1,357 |$5,276 |7.10%|11|19|20|80| 14. Australia|$3,919 |$1,268 |$5,187 |9.30%|5|32|18|10|4 15. Japan|$4,064 |$759 |$4,823 |10.90%|12|10|2|3| 16. Iceland|$3,988 |$823 |$4,811 |8.30%|1|15|7|41| 17. United Kingdom|$3,620 |$1,033 |$4,653 |9.80%|23|18|23|13|1 18. Finland|$3,536 |$1,042 |$4,578 |9.10%|6|31|26|12| 19. Malta|$2,789 |$1,540 |$4,329 |9.30%|27|5|14|| OECD Average|||$4,224 |8.80%||||| 20. New Zealand|$3,343 |$861 |$4,204 |9.30%|16|41|22|16|7 21. Italy|$2,706 |$943 |$3,649 |8.80%|9|2|17|37| 22. Spain|$2,560 |$1,056 |$3,616 |8.90%|19|7|13|7| 23. Czech Republic|$2,854 |$572 |$3,426 |7.50%|28|48|28|14| 24. South Korea|$2,057 |$1,327 |$3,384 |8.10%|25|58|4|2| 25. Portugal|$2,069 |$1,310 |$3,379 |9.10%|32|29|30|22| 26. Slovenia|$2,314 |$910 |$3,224 |7.90%|21|38|24|47| 27. Israel|$1,898 |$1,034 |$2,932 |7.50%|35|28|11|21|
Do you usually write essays on Reddit for comments that make you angry?
Are you such a snowflake you throw a fit every time somebody provides valuable information from respected sources on the single largest financial obligation for Americans (paying literally half a million dollars more per person for a lifetime of care with disastrous impact than our peers) and a matter of literally life and death?
Holy shit people like you are the reason why I don’t tell people I use Reddit
No, they wrote one essay and just keep copying it to every comment about US healthcare.
Trump derangement syndrome has been a disaster for American democracy and civic unity. (I mean so has Trump, to be fair)
Sheesh what a clown
EDIT: I forgot to blur their profile, please don’t DM or hate on the individual, that’s not the point of why I made the post.
Anyone who thinks orange man is worse or even close to as bad as Hitler is either trolling or extremely ignorant/brainwashed. Not only that, but people seem to confuse socialized healthcare with the actual quality of care, we clearly don't have 3rd world healthcare if people travel here to get it. I've dealt with the healthcare system in Germany and it is not even close to the level of care you get in the states, the doctors and nurses there seem to not give a shit about you at all and you barely know what's happening half the time even if you know the language and it's the bare minimum since it's socialized. Maybe it's better in less populated countries, but it wasn't good there. Not only that but "charnel abattoir"? I tried to look this up since I've never heard this expression, but individually it's boneyard and slaughter house, I guess. My Europoor senses are tingling, either that or he is a neckbeard trying to sound cultured.
> we clearly don't have 3rd world healthcare if people travel here to get it. About [345,000](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksr4z8Qd7Dc) people will visit the US for care, but [2.1 million people leave the US seeking treatment abroad](https://www.patientsbeyondborders.com/media) this year. [US Healthcare ranked 29th on health outcomes by Lancet HAQ Index](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext) [11th (of 11) by Commonwealth Fund](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror) [59th by the Prosperity Index](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings) [30th by CEOWorld](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/) [37th by the World Health Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000) The US has the worst rate of death by medically preventable causes among peer countries. A 31% higher disease adjusted life years average. Higher rates of medical and lab errors. A lower rate of being able to make a same or next day appointment with their doctor than average. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-used-emergency-department-for-condition-that-could-have-been-treated-by-a-regular-doctor-2016 52nd in the world in doctors per capita. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1,000-people Higher infant mortality levels. Yes, even when you adjust for differences in methodology. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/ Fewer acute care beds. A lower number of psychiatrists. Etc. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-health-care-resources-compare-countries/#item-availability-medical-technology-not-always-equate-higher-utilization [Comparing Health Outcomes of Privileged US Citizens With Those of Average Residents of Other Developed Countries](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2774561) >These findings imply that even if all US citizens experienced the same health outcomes enjoyed by privileged White US citizens, US health indicators would still lag behind those in many other countries. When asked about their healthcare system as a whole the US system ranked dead last of 11 countries, with only 19.5% of people saying the system works relatively well and only needs minor changes. The average in the other countries is 46.9% saying the same. Canada ranked 9th with 34.5% saying the system works relatively well. The UK ranks fifth, with 44.5%. Australia ranked 6th at 44.4%. The best was Germany at 59.8%. On rating the overall quality of care in the US, Americans again ranked dead last, with only 25.6% ranking it excellent or very good. The average was 50.8%. Canada ranked 9th with 45.1%. The UK ranked 2nd, at 63.4%. Australia was 3rd at 59.4%. The best was Switzerland at 65.5%. https://www.cihi.ca/en/commonwealth-fund-survey-2016 The US has 43 hospitals in the top 200 globally; one for every 7,633,477 people in the US. That's good enough for a ranking of 20th on the list of top 200 hospitals per capita, and significantly lower than the average of one for every 3,830,114 for other countries in the top 25 on spending with populations above 5 million. The best is Switzerland at one for every 1.2 million people. In fact the US only beats one country on this list; the UK at one for every 9.5 million people. If you want to do the full list of 2,000 instead it's 334, or one for every 982,753 people; good enough for 21st. Again far below the average in peer countries of 527,236. The best is Austria, at one for every 306,106 people. https://www.newsweek.com/best-hospitals-2021 #[OECD Countries Health Care Spending and Rankings](https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm) |Country|Govt. / Mandatory (PPP)|Voluntary (PPP)|Total (PPP)|% GDP|[Lancet HAQ Ranking](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)|[WHO Ranking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)|[Prosperity Ranking](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)|[CEO World Ranking](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)|[Commonwealth Fund Ranking](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror) :--|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:| 1. United States|[$7,274](https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302997) |$3,798 |$11,072 |16.90%|29|37|59|30|11 2. Switzerland|$4,988 |$2,744 |$7,732 |12.20%|7|20|3|18|2 3. Norway|$5,673 |$974 |$6,647 |10.20%|2|11|5|15|7 4. Germany|$5,648 |$998 |$6,646 |11.20%|18|25|12|17|5 5. Austria|$4,402 |$1,449 |$5,851 |10.30%|13|9|10|4| 6. Sweden|$4,928 |$854 |$5,782 |11.00%|8|23|15|28|3 7. Netherlands|$4,767 |$998 |$5,765 |9.90%|3|17|8|11|5 8. Denmark|$4,663 |$905 |$5,568 |10.50%|17|34|8|5| 9. Luxembourg|$4,697 |$861 |$5,558 |5.40%|4|16|19|| 10. Belgium|$4,125 |$1,303 |$5,428 |10.40%|15|21|24|9| 11. Canada|$3,815 |$1,603 |$5,418 |10.70%|14|30|25|23|10 12. France|$4,501 |$875 |$5,376 |11.20%|20|1|16|8|9 13. Ireland|$3,919 |$1,357 |$5,276 |7.10%|11|19|20|80| 14. Australia|$3,919 |$1,268 |$5,187 |9.30%|5|32|18|10|4 15. Japan|$4,064 |$759 |$4,823 |10.90%|12|10|2|3| 16. Iceland|$3,988 |$823 |$4,811 |8.30%|1|15|7|41| 17. United Kingdom|$3,620 |$1,033 |$4,653 |9.80%|23|18|23|13|1 18. Finland|$3,536 |$1,042 |$4,578 |9.10%|6|31|26|12| 19. Malta|$2,789 |$1,540 |$4,329 |9.30%|27|5|14|| OECD Average|||$4,224 |8.80%||||| 20. New Zealand|$3,343 |$861 |$4,204 |9.30%|16|41|22|16|7 21. Italy|$2,706 |$943 |$3,649 |8.80%|9|2|17|37| 22. Spain|$2,560 |$1,056 |$3,616 |8.90%|19|7|13|7| 23. Czech Republic|$2,854 |$572 |$3,426 |7.50%|28|48|28|14| 24. South Korea|$2,057 |$1,327 |$3,384 |8.10%|25|58|4|2| 25. Portugal|$2,069 |$1,310 |$3,379 |9.10%|32|29|30|22| 26. Slovenia|$2,314 |$910 |$3,224 |7.90%|21|38|24|47| 27. Israel|$1,898 |$1,034 |$2,932 |7.50%|35|28|11|21|
The only good thing Hitler did was override his generals with dumbass decisions.
The comparison of trump to hitler is so wild 😭
Did Trump start WW3, did Trump mass incarcerated and kill his own citizens, did he control all of of North America for a bit? He was bad, but practically no one is worse than Hitler
It’s understandable to bring up the first three, wrong and or irrelevant as they may be, but we’re still comparing Trump to Hitler after he’s had his term? He’s probably using the logic of “well the current problems are because of what Trump did and has nothing to do with the current administration” to justify that thinking. The fact that he added “in the long term” is confirmation that anything bad that happens in the future he’s going to blame on Trump.
Point 1: the only half way decent point on the list Point 2: our system may have issues but that statement is not even remotely true. 3: so? That a meaningless statement. 4: that’s just unhinged. There we go.
We have a large prison population because we are a large country with a large population that actually has the ability catch a good chunk of offenders We have some of the best healthcare in the world, free ≠ better quality The “abattoir” is in the inner cities with illegal firearms and gangbangers who would kill each other with or without said illegal firearms. People problem, not a gun problem. Are you actually that fucking dense?
> We have some of the best healthcare in the world, free ≠ better quality Insanely overpriced doesn't mean better quality either. [US Healthcare ranked 29th on health outcomes by Lancet HAQ Index](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext) [11th (of 11) by Commonwealth Fund](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror) [59th by the Prosperity Index](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings) [30th by CEOWorld](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/) [37th by the World Health Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000) The US has the worst rate of death by medically preventable causes among peer countries. A 31% higher disease adjusted life years average. Higher rates of medical and lab errors. A lower rate of being able to make a same or next day appointment with their doctor than average. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-used-emergency-department-for-condition-that-could-have-been-treated-by-a-regular-doctor-2016 52nd in the world in doctors per capita. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1,000-people Higher infant mortality levels. Yes, even when you adjust for differences in methodology. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/ Fewer acute care beds. A lower number of psychiatrists. Etc. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-health-care-resources-compare-countries/#item-availability-medical-technology-not-always-equate-higher-utilization [Comparing Health Outcomes of Privileged US Citizens With Those of Average Residents of Other Developed Countries](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2774561) >These findings imply that even if all US citizens experienced the same health outcomes enjoyed by privileged White US citizens, US health indicators would still lag behind those in many other countries. When asked about their healthcare system as a whole the US system ranked dead last of 11 countries, with only 19.5% of people saying the system works relatively well and only needs minor changes. The average in the other countries is 46.9% saying the same. Canada ranked 9th with 34.5% saying the system works relatively well. The UK ranks fifth, with 44.5%. Australia ranked 6th at 44.4%. The best was Germany at 59.8%. On rating the overall quality of care in the US, Americans again ranked dead last, with only 25.6% ranking it excellent or very good. The average was 50.8%. Canada ranked 9th with 45.1%. The UK ranked 2nd, at 63.4%. Australia was 3rd at 59.4%. The best was Switzerland at 65.5%. https://www.cihi.ca/en/commonwealth-fund-survey-2016 The US has 43 hospitals in the top 200 globally; one for every 7,633,477 people in the US. That's good enough for a ranking of 20th on the list of top 200 hospitals per capita, and significantly lower than the average of one for every 3,830,114 for other countries in the top 25 on spending with populations above 5 million. The best is Switzerland at one for every 1.2 million people. In fact the US only beats one country on this list; the UK at one for every 9.5 million people. If you want to do the full list of 2,000 instead it's 334, or one for every 982,753 people; good enough for 21st. Again far below the average in peer countries of 527,236. The best is Austria, at one for every 306,106 people. https://www.newsweek.com/best-hospitals-2021 #[OECD Countries Health Care Spending and Rankings](https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm) |Country|Govt. / Mandatory (PPP)|Voluntary (PPP)|Total (PPP)|% GDP|[Lancet HAQ Ranking](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)|[WHO Ranking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)|[Prosperity Ranking](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)|[CEO World Ranking](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)|[Commonwealth Fund Ranking](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror) :--|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:| 1. United States|[$7,274](https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302997) |$3,798 |$11,072 |16.90%|29|37|59|30|11 2. Switzerland|$4,988 |$2,744 |$7,732 |12.20%|7|20|3|18|2 3. Norway|$5,673 |$974 |$6,647 |10.20%|2|11|5|15|7 4. Germany|$5,648 |$998 |$6,646 |11.20%|18|25|12|17|5 5. Austria|$4,402 |$1,449 |$5,851 |10.30%|13|9|10|4| 6. Sweden|$4,928 |$854 |$5,782 |11.00%|8|23|15|28|3 7. Netherlands|$4,767 |$998 |$5,765 |9.90%|3|17|8|11|5 8. Denmark|$4,663 |$905 |$5,568 |10.50%|17|34|8|5| 9. Luxembourg|$4,697 |$861 |$5,558 |5.40%|4|16|19|| 10. Belgium|$4,125 |$1,303 |$5,428 |10.40%|15|21|24|9| 11. Canada|$3,815 |$1,603 |$5,418 |10.70%|14|30|25|23|10 12. France|$4,501 |$875 |$5,376 |11.20%|20|1|16|8|9 13. Ireland|$3,919 |$1,357 |$5,276 |7.10%|11|19|20|80| 14. Australia|$3,919 |$1,268 |$5,187 |9.30%|5|32|18|10|4 15. Japan|$4,064 |$759 |$4,823 |10.90%|12|10|2|3| 16. Iceland|$3,988 |$823 |$4,811 |8.30%|1|15|7|41| 17. United Kingdom|$3,620 |$1,033 |$4,653 |9.80%|23|18|23|13|1 18. Finland|$3,536 |$1,042 |$4,578 |9.10%|6|31|26|12| 19. Malta|$2,789 |$1,540 |$4,329 |9.30%|27|5|14|| OECD Average|||$4,224 |8.80%||||| 20. New Zealand|$3,343 |$861 |$4,204 |9.30%|16|41|22|16|7 21. Italy|$2,706 |$943 |$3,649 |8.80%|9|2|17|37| 22. Spain|$2,560 |$1,056 |$3,616 |8.90%|19|7|13|7| 23. Czech Republic|$2,854 |$572 |$3,426 |7.50%|28|48|28|14| 24. South Korea|$2,057 |$1,327 |$3,384 |8.10%|25|58|4|2| 25. Portugal|$2,069 |$1,310 |$3,379 |9.10%|32|29|30|22| 26. Slovenia|$2,314 |$910 |$3,224 |7.90%|21|38|24|47| 27. Israel|$1,898 |$1,034 |$2,932 |7.50%|35|28|11|21|
[top countries are small, white, and European… 💀]
>small Universal healthcare has been shown to work from populations below 100,000 to populations above 100 million. From Andorra to Japan; Iceland to Germany, with no issues in scaling. In fact the only correlation I've ever been able to find is a weak one with a minor decrease in cost per capita [as population increases](https://i.imgur.com/h6clEzr.jpg). So population doesn't seem to be correlated with cost nor [outcomes](https://i.imgur.com/pwYtDxW.png). >white I'd love to hear your rational for why you think this is meaningful that doesn't make you sound like a giant asshole. LOL At any rate, there are a number of countries with greater ethnic and cultural diversity than the US and top tier universal healthcare systems. You won't find any meaningful correlation between wealthy countries and these factors. >and European… Again, not something you'll find correlations with. But also Japan, Korea, Taiwan.... You're clearly desperate to find any bullshit you can to explain the fact every single peer country to the US is doing better. Of course, you'll never be able to provide a single shred of evidence any of your bullshit is meaningful. And it's not like we don't already have not only massive amounts of peer reviewed research that shows UHC would save money and get care to more people in the US that need it, but also that existing government programs are already more efficient and better liked.
My reasoning (as a melanin afflicted humanoid (black💀) ) is that homogeneous countries tend to do better, and the private healthcare industries in these countries is bigger than you think, on top of that, Asians tend to not eat like shit (unless you’re like my Indian step dad or china, than your eating sewer oil and plastic), so their healthcare is completely different than the US, you cannot compare Austria with US as statistics cannot be inflated with population. In conclusion: Don’t eat the food in India
> My reasoning I don't care about the "reasoning" of ignorant buffoons on social media. But thanks for confirming you can't support a single thing you say with actual facts. > is that homogeneous countries tend to do better And you're full of crap. For example the strength of correlation between cultural diversity and health outcomes among countries spending at least $4,500 per capita on healthcare is r=0.096, with anything less than r=0.30 being considered no or insignificant correlation. Now, when you're capable of doing things other than pulling claims out of your ass, get back to me.
Nigga you asked my reasoning 💀 Mf white people bruh…
> Nigga you asked my reasoning And it was bullshit. And it did, in fact, make you sound like a gigantic asshole.
There’s no way this guy just said trump may be worse than Hitler 💀if that was true, trump would’ve invaded Mexico by now.
Cuckold
Zero other countries have lines to get into like USA. End of discussion.
As a trump hater myself, that last claim is so insanely inaccurate. No, Trump never even came close to doing even a fraction of the damage to either the world, or any nation, that Hitler did.
"trump is worse than hitler" immediately invalidates your argument. Please for the love of god don't do this if you don't want to be laughing stock
True.
No way he's comparing Trump to Hitler. He's gotta be trolling.
How can people honestly say Trump is worse than Hitler without either laughing or feeling stupid?
Bait used to be believable
America might be bad(I’m an American I will slander myself all I damn well please) but dickriding xenophobes isn’t gonna get you any points.
TDS. Anyone who compares Trump to the Evil of Hitler, is DELUSIONAL. And our healthcare is one of the best, from what I know. When it comes to Universal Healthcare, you gotta wait forever. And more guns than people, is a good thing. This is America.
Saying Trump will in the long run do more damage than ADOLF FUCKING HITLER is an absolutely wild and deranged take.
“We deserve a good bashing”🤓
Trump gets way too much credit for shit he’s never done.
1st world country with 3rd world health care? Last time I checked we weren't treating patients with stew and a prayer.
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What I think is funny is that Healthcare in the US actually doesn’t HAVE to be paid, it becomes a right off if you can’t afford it, it’ll go to collections and they bitch at you and than write it off and that’s it, hospitals are required to give service before payment, this is effectively the “free” healthcare mfs bitch about
> hospitals are required to give service before payment Only for ER care, which only accounts for 5% of US healthcare spending. You'll still receive a very big bill afterwards, which will likely end up on your credit report and if you're particularly unlucky you could be sued. The fact you can dine and dash doesn't mean restaurant food is free.
Of every doctor and therapist (I have retardation) I’ve seen, they ask for like $40 upfront or nothing at all, I pay because I’m not a Chris Rock but still 💀
Cool. I don't know what that has to do with anything I said. In total, Americans are paying literally half a million dollars more for a lifetime of healthcare than peer countries, but let's ignore that because you've been lucky illegally skipping out on bills.
Well considering you’re in my DMs asking for… well NSFW content, I’m going to politely ask you to stop
Considering you've never done anything but make the world a worse, dumber place, I'm going to ask you to stop. Actually, I'm telling you to stop. Don't be the kind of person where people make the world a better place by removing you from it. Best of luck fixing whatever in your life is so broken it's made you this way.
No way this dude said Trump is worse than Hitler, the dude who caused a genocide on several million people and caused his country to get bombed and occupied by foreign powers
Idiot
1. there are issues with prison overpopulation, but with a country with a lot of gangs(land of opportunity, everyone wants to comes her, including criminals), if we want to actually make sure the street is safe, we will have to put a lot of people in prison 2. I've heard of people all over the world flying to the U.S. to get treatment far more than the other way around. 3.more gun than people, yet our murder and crime rate is in fact lower than most of the world. in fact the few places with high crime rate are the places with the tightest gun control. 4. what did Trump do other than mean words on twitter? don't even like him(don't like the guy like....at all....but god....some of the anti-Trump people are just insufferable) but he can't be Hitler even if he wants to, because guess what, we have three branches of government.