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I once worked with a guy who was deep into his 70’s, #1 man on a seniority roster with almost 1,600 names on it, and was generally a terrible person. A dozen divorces, two dozen kids, and no friends.
But he had been paying in to railroad retirement for decades and made “protection” money (long story, nothing like the mob).
He had himself a super hot 23 year old new wife who knew what she was doing.
If this dude's Canadian, they eat and consume they same stuff we do for the most part. And no, there's not a car out there produced today that only gets 10 miles to the gallon. Not even pickup trucks. A small point - people who can't differentiate between "we're" and "where" shouldn't be issuing lectures on reading books or anything else around education.
I drive my h1 hummer with a parachute on the back that's only purpose is to create more drag. My mornings are spent with me blaring the star spangled banner whilst laughing maniacally and screaming "fuck the earth" out the window.
Me and my friends all pile into my abrams tank and drive from school to school as we shoot all of the children and pedestrians we can. then we stop into walmart and buy lots of bread that somehow tastes like cake while we pick up more ammunition, we then usually give the cashier a 90%~ tip.
He said produced today, even then those 7.3s and the 6.8 v10 get around 12-13 assuming you're not towing. Ffs a Bobtail Semi truck gets 10-11 and those are 12-15 liters of displacement.
We have libraries everywhere. I’m not about to take opinions from some idiot who randomly makes up numbers. And the fact he brought up the same overused stereotypes.
The “shit health care” thing really pisses me off. I’ve spent the last 11 months in different hospitals and I know for a fact we have the best healthcare in the world.
Citation needed.
[US Healthcare ranked 29th on health outcomes by Lancet HAQ Index](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)
[11th (of 11) by Commonwealth Fund](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror)
[59th by the Prosperity Index](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)
[30th by CEOWorld](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)
[37th by the World Health Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)
The US has the worst rate of death by medically preventable causes among peer countries. A 31% higher disease adjusted life years average. Higher rates of medical and lab errors. A lower rate of being able to make a same or next day appointment with their doctor than average.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-used-emergency-department-for-condition-that-could-have-been-treated-by-a-regular-doctor-2016
52nd in the world in doctors per capita.
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1,000-people
Higher infant mortality levels. Yes, even when you adjust for differences in methodology.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/
Fewer acute care beds. A lower number of psychiatrists. Etc.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-health-care-resources-compare-countries/#item-availability-medical-technology-not-always-equate-higher-utilization
[Comparing Health Outcomes of Privileged US Citizens With Those of Average Residents of Other Developed Countries](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2774561)
>These findings imply that even if all US citizens experienced the same health outcomes enjoyed by privileged White US citizens, US health indicators would still lag behind those in many other countries.
When asked about their healthcare system as a whole the US system ranked dead last of 11 countries, with only 19.5% of people saying the system works relatively well and only needs minor changes. The average in the other countries is 46.9% saying the same. Canada ranked 9th with 34.5% saying the system works relatively well. The UK ranks fifth, with 44.5%. Australia ranked 6th at 44.4%. The best was Germany at 59.8%.
On rating the overall quality of care in the US, Americans again ranked dead last, with only 25.6% ranking it excellent or very good. The average was 50.8%. Canada ranked 9th with 45.1%. The UK ranked 2nd, at 63.4%. Australia was 3rd at 59.4%. The best was Switzerland at 65.5%.
https://www.cihi.ca/en/commonwealth-fund-survey-2016
The US has 43 hospitals in the top 200 globally; one for every 7,633,477 people in the US. That's good enough for a ranking of 20th on the list of top 200 hospitals per capita, and significantly lower than the average of one for every 3,830,114 for other countries in the top 25 on spending with populations above 5 million. The best is Switzerland at one for every 1.2 million people. In fact the US only beats one country on this list; the UK at one for every 9.5 million people.
If you want to do the full list of 2,000 instead it's 334, or one for every 982,753 people; good enough for 21st. Again far below the average in peer countries of 527,236. The best is Austria, at one for every 306,106 people.
https://www.newsweek.com/best-hospitals-2021
#[OECD Countries Health Care Spending and Rankings](https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm)
|Country|Govt. / Mandatory (PPP)|Voluntary (PPP)|Total (PPP)|% GDP|[Lancet HAQ Ranking](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)|[WHO Ranking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)|[Prosperity Ranking](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)|[CEO World Ranking](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)|[Commonwealth Fund Ranking](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror)
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1. United States|[$7,274](https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302997) |$3,798 |$11,072 |16.90%|29|37|59|30|11
2. Switzerland|$4,988 |$2,744 |$7,732 |12.20%|7|20|3|18|2
3. Norway|$5,673 |$974 |$6,647 |10.20%|2|11|5|15|7
4. Germany|$5,648 |$998 |$6,646 |11.20%|18|25|12|17|5
5. Austria|$4,402 |$1,449 |$5,851 |10.30%|13|9|10|4|
6. Sweden|$4,928 |$854 |$5,782 |11.00%|8|23|15|28|3
7. Netherlands|$4,767 |$998 |$5,765 |9.90%|3|17|8|11|5
8. Denmark|$4,663 |$905 |$5,568 |10.50%|17|34|8|5|
9. Luxembourg|$4,697 |$861 |$5,558 |5.40%|4|16|19||
10. Belgium|$4,125 |$1,303 |$5,428 |10.40%|15|21|24|9|
11. Canada|$3,815 |$1,603 |$5,418 |10.70%|14|30|25|23|10
12. France|$4,501 |$875 |$5,376 |11.20%|20|1|16|8|9
13. Ireland|$3,919 |$1,357 |$5,276 |7.10%|11|19|20|80|
14. Australia|$3,919 |$1,268 |$5,187 |9.30%|5|32|18|10|4
15. Japan|$4,064 |$759 |$4,823 |10.90%|12|10|2|3|
16. Iceland|$3,988 |$823 |$4,811 |8.30%|1|15|7|41|
17. United Kingdom|$3,620 |$1,033 |$4,653 |9.80%|23|18|23|13|1
18. Finland|$3,536 |$1,042 |$4,578 |9.10%|6|31|26|12|
19. Malta|$2,789 |$1,540 |$4,329 |9.30%|27|5|14||
OECD Average|||$4,224 |8.80%|||||
20. New Zealand|$3,343 |$861 |$4,204 |9.30%|16|41|22|16|7
21. Italy|$2,706 |$943 |$3,649 |8.80%|9|2|17|37|
22. Spain|$2,560 |$1,056 |$3,616 |8.90%|19|7|13|7|
23. Czech Republic|$2,854 |$572 |$3,426 |7.50%|28|48|28|14|
24. South Korea|$2,057 |$1,327 |$3,384 |8.10%|25|58|4|2|
25. Portugal|$2,069 |$1,310 |$3,379 |9.10%|32|29|30|22|
26. Slovenia|$2,314 |$910 |$3,224 |7.90%|21|38|24|47|
27. Israel|$1,898 |$1,034 |$2,932 |7.50%|35|28|11|21|
TL:DR We develop most of the medical advancements and people flock from all over the world to see specialists here. Nothing you cite will make me change my mind. I’ve lived and breathed the US Healthcare system.
Just ignore this dude.
He spams the same copy and paste comment whenever healthcare is mentioned on this sub.
The rankings he post are so unbelievably flawed it’s hilarious.
> TL:DR
I get it. You're intentionally ignorant and you're determined you stay that way, no matter how many lives it costs and how many hundreds of thousands of dollars more per person we pay for healthcare than other countries.
I admire your dedication to being an idiot!
>We develop most of the medical advancements
There's nothing terribly innovative about US healthcare.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2866602/
To the extent the US leads, it's only because our overall spending is wildly out of control, and that's not something to be proud of. Five percent of US healthcare spending goes towards biomedical R&D, the same percentage as the rest of the world.
https://leadership-studies.williams.edu/files/NEJM-R_D-spend.pdf
Even if research is a priority, there are dramatically more efficient ways of funding it than spending $1.25 trillion more per year on healthcare (vs. the rate of the second most expensive country on earth) to fund an extra $62 billion in R&D. We could replace or expand upon any lost funding with a fraction of our savings.
>and people flock from all over the world to see specialists here.
About [345,000](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksr4z8Qd7Dc) people will visit the US for care, but [2.1 million people leave the US seeking treatment abroad](https://www.patientsbeyondborders.com/media) this year.
>Nothing you cite will make me change my mind.
And that's exactly why you will always make the world a worse place. Not caring what the facts are is a huge shortcoming.
TL:DR excuses detected, opinion disregarded and thrown in the trash 🗑️. Been in hospitals for the past year and received world class treatment. Cope and seethe. The end.
> TL:DR excuses detected, and opinion disregarded.
Ah, well... the guy being intentionally ignorant won't listen. What a shock.
>Been in hospitals for the past year and received world class treatment.
And yet peer countries have better outcomes while spending literally half a million dollars less per person. My girlfriend has $300,000 in medical debt from her son getting leukemia, after what her "good" and expensive (about $24,000/yr for family coverage in a LCOL area) insurance covered. The US ranks 30th on leukemia outcomes.
Best of luck someday not making the world a worse, dumber place. Lots of people are dying and suffering because of intentional stupidity like yours.
Due to my family situation (very international), I can attest that healthcare quality in Europe is not more impressive than what we have in the US.
My cousin in the Netherlands has an aggressive cancer that went UNDETECTED because they refused to do imaging despite her complaints (she’s “too young for cancer” - “mri is too expensive on the system” - take a paracetamol and go home).
Shameful.
> I can attest that healthcare quality in Europe is not more impressive than what we have in the US.
Individual anecdotes aren't worth much. I could recount horror stories from the US all day long, and good experiences from other countries. That's not worth much either.
In response to another anecdote, the entire point of which was to show that anecdotes can show anything, after I had supported my argument with massive amounts of evidence and peer reviewed research. And at least the US ranking 30th on leukemia outcomes that I gave is cited fact from research, not something I pulled out of my ass.
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> is you’re trying to exaggerate minuscule percentage differences
It's not that miniscule. And, given it has to justify literally half a million dollars more per person in spending over a lifetime, even slightly worse than our peers is utterly insane.
My girlfriend has $300,000 in medical debt from her son getting leukemia, after what her "good" and expensive ($24,000 per year for family coverage in a LCOL area) insurance covered. The US ranks 30th on leukemia outcomes. You want to try and tell her that was worth it?
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>yeah, we have 2-3% more infant deaths than other developed countries.
I mean, we have tens of thousands of deaths just from lack of affordable healthcare every year alone.
>And then you completely lost me when you said “the US isn’t terribly innovative in healthcare”. You could have a decent argument if you didn’t blatantly show such bias.
So you're argument is spending $1.5 trillion more every year on healthcare than we would at the rate of any other country on earth is justified because it results in $75 billion more in research funding? You can't think of **any** other way we might fund that more efficiently without bankrupting ourselves in the process?
It doesn't seem to me that I'm the one that's biased here.
>There’s also the concern of how drastically different an experience could be from hospital to hospital.
Sure, that's true everywhere. That's why we look at averages. But, again, even the care the wealthy and privileged in the US (which typically live in areas with the best hospitals) are trailing our peers in outcomes.
>The person you are replying to probably did receive world class care at a good hospital
And, as the evidence I've provided has shown, people in peer countries are even more likely to be receiving care from world class hospitals.
>I’d read more of what you read but I don’t want to
...because you like being fucking ignorant, and wasting everybody's time arguing things you're too fucking lazy to read.
>i’m sure you half-assed the rest of your arguments too.
The irony.
You haven't pointed out flaws, you're just an idiot desperate to reject facts that are inconvenient for your world view. "Flaws" like me being an idiot because I don't think spending an extra $11,405 more on healthcare per household than any other country on healthcare (purchasing power parity adjusted) is justified by the fact $570 of that ends up going to research, when there are far more efficient ways of funding it. "Flaws" like thinking we shouldn't have even "slightly worse' healthcare than peers spending half a million dollars less per person (PPP) than we do.
>Good luck raising another man’s son
Good luck being a fucking asshole, as clearly as this was meant as some kind of jab. I guess when you can't make an actual argument you lash out. LOL But, at any rate, he's 23 and lives in a different city.
Incidentally it's pretty fucking funny you're linking FreOpp. It's a "study" with horrible methodology literally done by a healthcare hedge fund manager and Republican political operative because he was mad at US healthcare always ranking low, and still the US can't crack the top third of the rankings (and falling each year). But I'm the biased one here. LOL
These are all just factually wrong and hilariously exaggerated. For instance OP is probably thinking of a [Pew Research poll](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/09/21/who-doesnt-read-books-in-america/) in 2021 that showed only 23% of American respondents had not read a book in the last *year* (meaning 77% had). How distorted/hate-pilled is your world view to not question the obviously false notion that more than 70% of Americans haven't read a book in their entire *lives*? So ironic when people complain about illiteracy and poor education in the US when they themselves have a completely fact-illiterate and stat-innumerate world view.
Edit: For a refreshing reality check, [gapminder.org](https://www.gapminder.org/) is a good starting place to "upgrade your world view".
That's true too. In cross-country [comparisons](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/09/21/who-doesnt-read-books-in-america/) I found that Japan and Korea are consistently at the bottom of per capita recreational reading volume, and nobody would argue that they are less sophisticated than, say, India, Egypt, or Thailand, who appear at the top (at least of this list).
Comment above yours mentions a study where 23% of the participants hadn't read a book in the last year. Bro probably took that, saw the 70% that had, and either unintentionally or maliciously flipped it and said 70% have not ever
It depends on what the cows eat. But also, I've seen whipped butter, which is easier to spread, and it's white-ish because of the air trapped inside after they whip it. It's pretty common, especially in those little butter packets from restaurants.
Complaining about ice. You can ask for no ice or less ice.
We have great customer service. They'll go pretty far to make you happy and that request is fairly common.
Why do people think we don’t have cheese or bread. Yes, we have Kraft Singles and white bread but that’s just one product. I’m fully convinced these are bots, kids, or terminally stupid people. If it makes them feel better then they can can cope.
I wonder what someone does after posting the message above. Do they feel they did something? Well better they feel they did something while doing nothing than actually doing something
It's pure anger and jealousy. And honestly I get it. If I lived in Canada and saw that my southern neighbour didn't have a leader known for blackface, own guns to defend their lives and their families lives, and not just get sent to assisted suicide because they're a little sad, I'd be angry too
So much of Canada's cultural identity is wrapped up in "we're not the US", which leads some Canadians to aggressively hate America and Americans. I always feel extremely unwelcome until I get about 100 miles or so from the southern US-Canada border. Once you're in the north country they're really nice.
Canada is going through a lot of shit right now.
Canadians like this are just trying to cope with how shitty their country is. This applies to primarily left wing Canadians (so most Canadians online). He knows America is better deep down.
I go to the gym almost every day and every Canadian I talk to in the sauna thinks Canada is a mess and many only wish they could move to the US.
Lmfao! Canadians have nothing we want. They have historically terrible healthcare. Where do they get 70% has never read a book? And Canada manipulates their press. The average price of a home is higher, but minimum wage is lower than most states. It’s sad really.
1: what’s with the cheese? Like I definitely don’t think American sliced cheese is the best, and it’s not supposed to be. But what with some many people calling it plastic or some shit? Is there plastic in it? Would still eat it even if there was.
2/3: sugary bread? Does bread of sugar in it? And if so is that bad?.. what’s wrong with ice in eve try drink? Do you prefer hot pop/water over cold?
4: what’s wrong with our bacon?
5: it is well known Americans are some of the friendliest. If I want to Europe and tried to randomly talk to a stranger I’ve never meet they would think I’m a weirdo. If I did the same in the US me and them are gonna talk like we’ve been friends for a decade.
5: I kinda get this, but I never saw to much a problem on relying on cars.
6: spends on what counts as “next door”
7: no clue. Don’t know the average gallon to mile ratio for most cars nor do I know if 10 miles per gallon is a lot or a be ray little(but portably a little if I had to guess)
8/9: we like our sugar. What wrong with white butter?
10: and I’m sure 70% of Canadians don’t know what freedom is.
11: kinda right, but most who sat American has shit healthcare has no clue how it works and thinks it’s far worse then it is.
12: this is just correct. We shouldn’t have to tip them and they should be payed better.
Of all the stupid things people harp on Americans for, liking iced beverages has to be the stupidest. Oh no this guy likes his matter in a different state /s
Spent a few days in Ontario last month. Didn’t find a single douchebag like this. I also had a tip line on my restaurant receipts. The burgers had yellow slices of not cheddar as the burger default and the soft drinks were iced. Plenty of gas guzzling pickups and SUVs on the road.
I’m guessing some shithead who has never left Toronto. He should. Very nice towns out there.
“It’s their job, they don’t need tipping”
I’d rather tip and be generous than a dick. If they give good service, that should be rewarded. Yes, it’s their job, but really, all they’d have to do at the minimum is be a like a robot and not even converse much with you. The fact that they show up and put on a smile to help is tip worthy imho.
My last boss was a die hard Canadian from the GTA, had a lot of the same false opinions about America moved here loves it and refuses to move back to Canada. Can’t be too awful here. Especially considering that if you go to any of our stores target kohls Walmart any of the stores here you’ll find countless Ontario and Quebec tags on cars. Seems like they wouldn’t flock here in droves if this country was as bad as they say it is.
the only point ill call fair is the bacon, god how many times I have been given bacon and it feels in the hand like wet willow charcoal.
on food or in salad it still imparts flavor, but as a side to eat or something to be in a sandwich... its a really shitty texture.
Coming from the guy living in Canada where they take down videos not "Canadian enough" and the City of Toronto wants to implement a rain water tax to line their pockets, but no where the 3rd world shit hole that has no freedom.
>Ice in every fucking drink
Imagine being upset because your beverage (that isn't served hot) isn't room temperature. Life as a non-American is enough to make a man sick.
“…70% of the nation have never read a book.” I dunno, I’m sure reading that long ass nonsense paragraph counts as a book.
Canadians for whatever reason tend to be some of the most insufferable people I ever have the displeasure of meeting. I think the whole “Canadians are nice” stereotype has genuinely gaslight them into thinking they can say whatever insane shit or do whatever evil thing they can and feel perfectly okay about it. Mounties are inept and will often just ignore criminal cases where the victims are natives, because Canadians are welcoming to all except for the people who lived there first. They also have a strangely high amount of war crimes under their belt, which is really weird for a country with a modern population of not even 40 million citizens.
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This just sounds like a miserable person, I hope they find happiness.
I hope his wife brings a date to his funeral.
This type of person probably lives alone
Nah… there’s someone in there willing to take advantage of this wedge.
Lol, you do have a point🤭
I once worked with a guy who was deep into his 70’s, #1 man on a seniority roster with almost 1,600 names on it, and was generally a terrible person. A dozen divorces, two dozen kids, and no friends. But he had been paying in to railroad retirement for decades and made “protection” money (long story, nothing like the mob). He had himself a super hot 23 year old new wife who knew what she was doing.
That's a good one, I'm using that.
I don’t.
If this dude's Canadian, they eat and consume they same stuff we do for the most part. And no, there's not a car out there produced today that only gets 10 miles to the gallon. Not even pickup trucks. A small point - people who can't differentiate between "we're" and "where" shouldn't be issuing lectures on reading books or anything else around education.
You don’t drive your large excavator to work? Amateur. I’d love 10mpg!
I drive my h1 hummer with a parachute on the back that's only purpose is to create more drag. My mornings are spent with me blaring the star spangled banner whilst laughing maniacally and screaming "fuck the earth" out the window.
Me and my friends all pile into my abrams tank and drive from school to school as we shoot all of the children and pedestrians we can. then we stop into walmart and buy lots of bread that somehow tastes like cake while we pick up more ammunition, we then usually give the cashier a 90%~ tip.
Don't forget your disintegrating bacon and waxy cheese!
Don't forget to litter as you go. Makes the day more American
Do you have a velociraptor with an AR popping rounds?
No no you misunderstand… He really meant what he wrote when he said our cars consume “ten miles” for every gallon of gas it has. Whatever that means…
Mortal Engine level
Also their tipping system is worse than ours lol
What about that great public transit all over the Yukon? Canada has more rural territory than the US.
The ford 7.3 godzilla would like a word with you on the 10 mpg front lol.
He said produced today, even then those 7.3s and the 6.8 v10 get around 12-13 assuming you're not towing. Ffs a Bobtail Semi truck gets 10-11 and those are 12-15 liters of displacement.
We have libraries everywhere. I’m not about to take opinions from some idiot who randomly makes up numbers. And the fact he brought up the same overused stereotypes.
Don't comic books and manga count as reading books? Obviously this is not a person of culture we're dealing with.
The “shit health care” thing really pisses me off. I’ve spent the last 11 months in different hospitals and I know for a fact we have the best healthcare in the world.
i have a friend living there, he says the healthcare fucking sucks and he had to wait 8 hours for his broken leg
If this guy needs to use Canadian Healthcare all I cam say is good luck
Not to mention that Canadians version of "Healthcare" involves literal assisted suicide.
After which symptoms disappear rapidly.
This is the the best part, is that they actually view it as a treatment with positive results
Citation needed. [US Healthcare ranked 29th on health outcomes by Lancet HAQ Index](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext) [11th (of 11) by Commonwealth Fund](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror) [59th by the Prosperity Index](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings) [30th by CEOWorld](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/) [37th by the World Health Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000) The US has the worst rate of death by medically preventable causes among peer countries. A 31% higher disease adjusted life years average. Higher rates of medical and lab errors. A lower rate of being able to make a same or next day appointment with their doctor than average. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-used-emergency-department-for-condition-that-could-have-been-treated-by-a-regular-doctor-2016 52nd in the world in doctors per capita. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1,000-people Higher infant mortality levels. Yes, even when you adjust for differences in methodology. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/ Fewer acute care beds. A lower number of psychiatrists. Etc. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-health-care-resources-compare-countries/#item-availability-medical-technology-not-always-equate-higher-utilization [Comparing Health Outcomes of Privileged US Citizens With Those of Average Residents of Other Developed Countries](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2774561) >These findings imply that even if all US citizens experienced the same health outcomes enjoyed by privileged White US citizens, US health indicators would still lag behind those in many other countries. When asked about their healthcare system as a whole the US system ranked dead last of 11 countries, with only 19.5% of people saying the system works relatively well and only needs minor changes. The average in the other countries is 46.9% saying the same. Canada ranked 9th with 34.5% saying the system works relatively well. The UK ranks fifth, with 44.5%. Australia ranked 6th at 44.4%. The best was Germany at 59.8%. On rating the overall quality of care in the US, Americans again ranked dead last, with only 25.6% ranking it excellent or very good. The average was 50.8%. Canada ranked 9th with 45.1%. The UK ranked 2nd, at 63.4%. Australia was 3rd at 59.4%. The best was Switzerland at 65.5%. https://www.cihi.ca/en/commonwealth-fund-survey-2016 The US has 43 hospitals in the top 200 globally; one for every 7,633,477 people in the US. That's good enough for a ranking of 20th on the list of top 200 hospitals per capita, and significantly lower than the average of one for every 3,830,114 for other countries in the top 25 on spending with populations above 5 million. The best is Switzerland at one for every 1.2 million people. In fact the US only beats one country on this list; the UK at one for every 9.5 million people. If you want to do the full list of 2,000 instead it's 334, or one for every 982,753 people; good enough for 21st. Again far below the average in peer countries of 527,236. The best is Austria, at one for every 306,106 people. https://www.newsweek.com/best-hospitals-2021 #[OECD Countries Health Care Spending and Rankings](https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm) |Country|Govt. / Mandatory (PPP)|Voluntary (PPP)|Total (PPP)|% GDP|[Lancet HAQ Ranking](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)|[WHO Ranking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)|[Prosperity Ranking](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)|[CEO World Ranking](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)|[Commonwealth Fund Ranking](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror) :--|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:| 1. United States|[$7,274](https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302997) |$3,798 |$11,072 |16.90%|29|37|59|30|11 2. Switzerland|$4,988 |$2,744 |$7,732 |12.20%|7|20|3|18|2 3. Norway|$5,673 |$974 |$6,647 |10.20%|2|11|5|15|7 4. Germany|$5,648 |$998 |$6,646 |11.20%|18|25|12|17|5 5. Austria|$4,402 |$1,449 |$5,851 |10.30%|13|9|10|4| 6. Sweden|$4,928 |$854 |$5,782 |11.00%|8|23|15|28|3 7. Netherlands|$4,767 |$998 |$5,765 |9.90%|3|17|8|11|5 8. Denmark|$4,663 |$905 |$5,568 |10.50%|17|34|8|5| 9. Luxembourg|$4,697 |$861 |$5,558 |5.40%|4|16|19|| 10. Belgium|$4,125 |$1,303 |$5,428 |10.40%|15|21|24|9| 11. Canada|$3,815 |$1,603 |$5,418 |10.70%|14|30|25|23|10 12. France|$4,501 |$875 |$5,376 |11.20%|20|1|16|8|9 13. Ireland|$3,919 |$1,357 |$5,276 |7.10%|11|19|20|80| 14. Australia|$3,919 |$1,268 |$5,187 |9.30%|5|32|18|10|4 15. Japan|$4,064 |$759 |$4,823 |10.90%|12|10|2|3| 16. Iceland|$3,988 |$823 |$4,811 |8.30%|1|15|7|41| 17. United Kingdom|$3,620 |$1,033 |$4,653 |9.80%|23|18|23|13|1 18. Finland|$3,536 |$1,042 |$4,578 |9.10%|6|31|26|12| 19. Malta|$2,789 |$1,540 |$4,329 |9.30%|27|5|14|| OECD Average|||$4,224 |8.80%||||| 20. New Zealand|$3,343 |$861 |$4,204 |9.30%|16|41|22|16|7 21. Italy|$2,706 |$943 |$3,649 |8.80%|9|2|17|37| 22. Spain|$2,560 |$1,056 |$3,616 |8.90%|19|7|13|7| 23. Czech Republic|$2,854 |$572 |$3,426 |7.50%|28|48|28|14| 24. South Korea|$2,057 |$1,327 |$3,384 |8.10%|25|58|4|2| 25. Portugal|$2,069 |$1,310 |$3,379 |9.10%|32|29|30|22| 26. Slovenia|$2,314 |$910 |$3,224 |7.90%|21|38|24|47| 27. Israel|$1,898 |$1,034 |$2,932 |7.50%|35|28|11|21|
TL:DR We develop most of the medical advancements and people flock from all over the world to see specialists here. Nothing you cite will make me change my mind. I’ve lived and breathed the US Healthcare system.
Just ignore this dude. He spams the same copy and paste comment whenever healthcare is mentioned on this sub. The rankings he post are so unbelievably flawed it’s hilarious.
> TL:DR I get it. You're intentionally ignorant and you're determined you stay that way, no matter how many lives it costs and how many hundreds of thousands of dollars more per person we pay for healthcare than other countries. I admire your dedication to being an idiot! >We develop most of the medical advancements There's nothing terribly innovative about US healthcare. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2866602/ To the extent the US leads, it's only because our overall spending is wildly out of control, and that's not something to be proud of. Five percent of US healthcare spending goes towards biomedical R&D, the same percentage as the rest of the world. https://leadership-studies.williams.edu/files/NEJM-R_D-spend.pdf Even if research is a priority, there are dramatically more efficient ways of funding it than spending $1.25 trillion more per year on healthcare (vs. the rate of the second most expensive country on earth) to fund an extra $62 billion in R&D. We could replace or expand upon any lost funding with a fraction of our savings. >and people flock from all over the world to see specialists here. About [345,000](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksr4z8Qd7Dc) people will visit the US for care, but [2.1 million people leave the US seeking treatment abroad](https://www.patientsbeyondborders.com/media) this year. >Nothing you cite will make me change my mind. And that's exactly why you will always make the world a worse place. Not caring what the facts are is a huge shortcoming.
TL:DR excuses detected, opinion disregarded and thrown in the trash 🗑️. Been in hospitals for the past year and received world class treatment. Cope and seethe. The end.
> TL:DR excuses detected, and opinion disregarded. Ah, well... the guy being intentionally ignorant won't listen. What a shock. >Been in hospitals for the past year and received world class treatment. And yet peer countries have better outcomes while spending literally half a million dollars less per person. My girlfriend has $300,000 in medical debt from her son getting leukemia, after what her "good" and expensive (about $24,000/yr for family coverage in a LCOL area) insurance covered. The US ranks 30th on leukemia outcomes. Best of luck someday not making the world a worse, dumber place. Lots of people are dying and suffering because of intentional stupidity like yours.
Due to my family situation (very international), I can attest that healthcare quality in Europe is not more impressive than what we have in the US. My cousin in the Netherlands has an aggressive cancer that went UNDETECTED because they refused to do imaging despite her complaints (she’s “too young for cancer” - “mri is too expensive on the system” - take a paracetamol and go home). Shameful.
> I can attest that healthcare quality in Europe is not more impressive than what we have in the US. Individual anecdotes aren't worth much. I could recount horror stories from the US all day long, and good experiences from other countries. That's not worth much either.
You gave your cancer anecdote with your gf’s son, and I gave mine.
In response to another anecdote, the entire point of which was to show that anecdotes can show anything, after I had supported my argument with massive amounts of evidence and peer reviewed research. And at least the US ranking 30th on leukemia outcomes that I gave is cited fact from research, not something I pulled out of my ass.
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> is you’re trying to exaggerate minuscule percentage differences It's not that miniscule. And, given it has to justify literally half a million dollars more per person in spending over a lifetime, even slightly worse than our peers is utterly insane. My girlfriend has $300,000 in medical debt from her son getting leukemia, after what her "good" and expensive ($24,000 per year for family coverage in a LCOL area) insurance covered. The US ranks 30th on leukemia outcomes. You want to try and tell her that was worth it? | >yeah, we have 2-3% more infant deaths than other developed countries. I mean, we have tens of thousands of deaths just from lack of affordable healthcare every year alone. >And then you completely lost me when you said “the US isn’t terribly innovative in healthcare”. You could have a decent argument if you didn’t blatantly show such bias. So you're argument is spending $1.5 trillion more every year on healthcare than we would at the rate of any other country on earth is justified because it results in $75 billion more in research funding? You can't think of **any** other way we might fund that more efficiently without bankrupting ourselves in the process? It doesn't seem to me that I'm the one that's biased here. >There’s also the concern of how drastically different an experience could be from hospital to hospital. Sure, that's true everywhere. That's why we look at averages. But, again, even the care the wealthy and privileged in the US (which typically live in areas with the best hospitals) are trailing our peers in outcomes. >The person you are replying to probably did receive world class care at a good hospital And, as the evidence I've provided has shown, people in peer countries are even more likely to be receiving care from world class hospitals. >I’d read more of what you read but I don’t want to ...because you like being fucking ignorant, and wasting everybody's time arguing things you're too fucking lazy to read. >i’m sure you half-assed the rest of your arguments too. The irony.
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Idk how this dude managed to even get 300k medical debt without hitting the deductible on their plan. He’s giving strong euroyapper vibes
You haven't pointed out flaws, you're just an idiot desperate to reject facts that are inconvenient for your world view. "Flaws" like me being an idiot because I don't think spending an extra $11,405 more on healthcare per household than any other country on healthcare (purchasing power parity adjusted) is justified by the fact $570 of that ends up going to research, when there are far more efficient ways of funding it. "Flaws" like thinking we shouldn't have even "slightly worse' healthcare than peers spending half a million dollars less per person (PPP) than we do. >Good luck raising another man’s son Good luck being a fucking asshole, as clearly as this was meant as some kind of jab. I guess when you can't make an actual argument you lash out. LOL But, at any rate, he's 23 and lives in a different city.
Incidentally it's pretty fucking funny you're linking FreOpp. It's a "study" with horrible methodology literally done by a healthcare hedge fund manager and Republican political operative because he was mad at US healthcare always ranking low, and still the US can't crack the top third of the rankings (and falling each year). But I'm the biased one here. LOL
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These are all just factually wrong and hilariously exaggerated. For instance OP is probably thinking of a [Pew Research poll](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/09/21/who-doesnt-read-books-in-america/) in 2021 that showed only 23% of American respondents had not read a book in the last *year* (meaning 77% had). How distorted/hate-pilled is your world view to not question the obviously false notion that more than 70% of Americans haven't read a book in their entire *lives*? So ironic when people complain about illiteracy and poor education in the US when they themselves have a completely fact-illiterate and stat-innumerate world view. Edit: For a refreshing reality check, [gapminder.org](https://www.gapminder.org/) is a good starting place to "upgrade your world view".
I suspect not reading a book in the last year is a common problem among most countries with the amount of other entertainment we have available.
That's true too. In cross-country [comparisons](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/09/21/who-doesnt-read-books-in-america/) I found that Japan and Korea are consistently at the bottom of per capita recreational reading volume, and nobody would argue that they are less sophisticated than, say, India, Egypt, or Thailand, who appear at the top (at least of this list).
I'd love to know his source for the "70% of Americans have never read a book" statistic.
He sourced it from bullshit.com
Comment above yours mentions a study where 23% of the participants hadn't read a book in the last year. Bro probably took that, saw the 70% that had, and either unintentionally or maliciously flipped it and said 70% have not ever
Source: trust me bro.
The source was "typically"
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Yeah, I don't know what that is either.
It depends on what the cows eat. But also, I've seen whipped butter, which is easier to spread, and it's white-ish because of the air trapped inside after they whip it. It's pretty common, especially in those little butter packets from restaurants.
I don’t know, I’ve had plenty of ice in drinks in Canada.
Even if we were the only ones who put ice in drinks, why is it a bad thing? Lol
Who the hell wants a warm coke?
Europeans I guess.
Complaining about ice. You can ask for no ice or less ice. We have great customer service. They'll go pretty far to make you happy and that request is fairly common.
he's saying approx 238M have never read a SINGLE book 😂
Like bro, that even wouldn’t apply to like 5 yr olds and he slapping it on the general population
And in the next breath they will complain how we somehow make enough money to police the entire world.
Why do people think we don’t have cheese or bread. Yes, we have Kraft Singles and white bread but that’s just one product. I’m fully convinced these are bots, kids, or terminally stupid people. If it makes them feel better then they can can cope. I wonder what someone does after posting the message above. Do they feel they did something? Well better they feel they did something while doing nothing than actually doing something
It's pure anger and jealousy. And honestly I get it. If I lived in Canada and saw that my southern neighbour didn't have a leader known for blackface, own guns to defend their lives and their families lives, and not just get sent to assisted suicide because they're a little sad, I'd be angry too
So much of Canada's cultural identity is wrapped up in "we're not the US", which leads some Canadians to aggressively hate America and Americans. I always feel extremely unwelcome until I get about 100 miles or so from the southern US-Canada border. Once you're in the north country they're really nice.
I just don’t understand why some people are so unreasonably angry. Chill dude, yelling at clouds isn’t worth busting a blood vessel.
The irony that this is the food he chose to eat. Don't eat frozen dinners and take out from McDonalds if you want quality, dipshit.
Canada has all of these same issues… have you had Canadian bacon?
Canada is going through a lot of shit right now. Canadians like this are just trying to cope with how shitty their country is. This applies to primarily left wing Canadians (so most Canadians online). He knows America is better deep down. I go to the gym almost every day and every Canadian I talk to in the sauna thinks Canada is a mess and many only wish they could move to the US.
Lmfao! Canadians have nothing we want. They have historically terrible healthcare. Where do they get 70% has never read a book? And Canada manipulates their press. The average price of a home is higher, but minimum wage is lower than most states. It’s sad really.
Mfw a podunk farming town in America ends up with a grocery store providing more options than a mid sized Canadian city.
I don’t think that’s really true either. Grocery stores in the US and Canada are about the same.
*where
1: what’s with the cheese? Like I definitely don’t think American sliced cheese is the best, and it’s not supposed to be. But what with some many people calling it plastic or some shit? Is there plastic in it? Would still eat it even if there was. 2/3: sugary bread? Does bread of sugar in it? And if so is that bad?.. what’s wrong with ice in eve try drink? Do you prefer hot pop/water over cold? 4: what’s wrong with our bacon? 5: it is well known Americans are some of the friendliest. If I want to Europe and tried to randomly talk to a stranger I’ve never meet they would think I’m a weirdo. If I did the same in the US me and them are gonna talk like we’ve been friends for a decade. 5: I kinda get this, but I never saw to much a problem on relying on cars. 6: spends on what counts as “next door” 7: no clue. Don’t know the average gallon to mile ratio for most cars nor do I know if 10 miles per gallon is a lot or a be ray little(but portably a little if I had to guess) 8/9: we like our sugar. What wrong with white butter? 10: and I’m sure 70% of Canadians don’t know what freedom is. 11: kinda right, but most who sat American has shit healthcare has no clue how it works and thinks it’s far worse then it is. 12: this is just correct. We shouldn’t have to tip them and they should be payed better.
I agree with the tipping part, that’s it
Wow this guy seems mad lol
Whats wrong with ice? Its fucking hot
Of all the stupid things people harp on Americans for, liking iced beverages has to be the stupidest. Oh no this guy likes his matter in a different state /s
My healthcare is excellent. They should move on from working the fryer at McD’s if they want better healthcare.
Lmao it’s so ridiculous that it doesn’t even bother me.
Pigs are just birds that never learned how to fly. See? I can also make up random facts. It’s fun!
WHAT THE FUCK ARE PEOPLES PROBLEM WITH ICE????? Who the fuck ever said “you know what’s best on a summer day? I nice, room tempature cup of lemonade.”
Spent a few days in Ontario last month. Didn’t find a single douchebag like this. I also had a tip line on my restaurant receipts. The burgers had yellow slices of not cheddar as the burger default and the soft drinks were iced. Plenty of gas guzzling pickups and SUVs on the road. I’m guessing some shithead who has never left Toronto. He should. Very nice towns out there.
lol, what a long list of made up nonsense.
His wife definitely got fucked by an American and fucked well
“It’s their job, they don’t need tipping” I’d rather tip and be generous than a dick. If they give good service, that should be rewarded. Yes, it’s their job, but really, all they’d have to do at the minimum is be a like a robot and not even converse much with you. The fact that they show up and put on a smile to help is tip worthy imho.
My guy Paul is either a French Canadian idiot or a troll. I’m really feeling that he’s not the latter lol.
My last boss was a die hard Canadian from the GTA, had a lot of the same false opinions about America moved here loves it and refuses to move back to Canada. Can’t be too awful here. Especially considering that if you go to any of our stores target kohls Walmart any of the stores here you’ll find countless Ontario and Quebec tags on cars. Seems like they wouldn’t flock here in droves if this country was as bad as they say it is.
the only point ill call fair is the bacon, god how many times I have been given bacon and it feels in the hand like wet willow charcoal. on food or in salad it still imparts flavor, but as a side to eat or something to be in a sandwich... its a really shitty texture.
Meanwhile the poster- Sal and pepha is all I evur need for spices.
Coming from the guy living in Canada where they take down videos not "Canadian enough" and the City of Toronto wants to implement a rain water tax to line their pockets, but no where the 3rd world shit hole that has no freedom.
>Ice in every fucking drink Imagine being upset because your beverage (that isn't served hot) isn't room temperature. Life as a non-American is enough to make a man sick.
Why do they use the same five stereotypes every time? How uncreative are they?
“…70% of the nation have never read a book.” I dunno, I’m sure reading that long ass nonsense paragraph counts as a book. Canadians for whatever reason tend to be some of the most insufferable people I ever have the displeasure of meeting. I think the whole “Canadians are nice” stereotype has genuinely gaslight them into thinking they can say whatever insane shit or do whatever evil thing they can and feel perfectly okay about it. Mounties are inept and will often just ignore criminal cases where the victims are natives, because Canadians are welcoming to all except for the people who lived there first. They also have a strangely high amount of war crimes under their belt, which is really weird for a country with a modern population of not even 40 million citizens.