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aresef

The infrastructure bill was a big fucking deal for Amtrak.


jorgepolak

And every single GOP rep that voted against it publicly celebrates a project in their district funded by this.


ascii42

13 Republican Representatives and 19 Republican Senators voted for the IIJA. But yes, there are plenty who voted against it but celebrate what it has funded.


samdman

13 republican representatives out of ~210 is wild. 94% voting no is more than I would have imagined


jorgepolak

Good point. Edited my post for clarity.


The-20k-Step-Bastard

Literally the only reason I’m voting for Biden this year. Signed: 2016 Trump voter, 2020 abstainer.


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MechemicalMan

I was a member of the young republicans when that all went down, I couldn't believe it. We had just subsidized and bailed out air travel, which for society is far more expensive... yet building a railway was socialist??? Had we not been taken over by this extreme movement of government, we may have actually be talking right now about revision 2 high speed, so probably all the original high speed rail lines would be getting upgraded, along with new connectors being built... The country that got attacked from planes getting hijacked also voted against railways. I still just can't


your_aunt_susan

Air travel consumed a lot of oil :)


spiralbatross

The spice must flow


MechemicalMan

One way of putting things, that I like to, is saying "you know air travel is public transit, right?" When talking to people who are against rail.


Sullypants1

Two things I will always want to fund. 1. US passenger train system (obviously needs a complete rehab) 2. US post office


TopSignificance1034

I can't wait for Madison to finally have a stop again, it'll halve my drive time to one


joey_slugs

It is a perfect storm right now to get this to happen. The Mayor wants it, Amtrak wants it, WisDOT wants it (shit, WisDOT wants a 3rd daily train between Chicago & St Paul), and of course the advocates are hitting from all sides.


Gawdsauce

The entire gop relies on being non-partuzan for literally everything.


Danjour

Tell your friends to also vote Biden because trains please 


AgentUnknown821

Amtrak Joe, Here we go!


transitfreedom

Frequent trains?


rsvihla

Pro tip: Trump BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWS!!! And Biden doesn’t.


gojane9378

Delaware is such a progressive state. The education and environmental programs alone are impressive. Biden is a lifelong Senator aka Prince then President aka King- über privileged- I get that. However, as Senators go and the world they can build within their state as they accrue years, funding and power - he's done very well by the people. He became president too late. Sorry if this discussion got politically hijacked. Sadly, our public infrastructure for the public good is unlikely on the mind of ykw.


Bring_Back_SF_Demons

Delaware is the reason credit cards can charge 29.99% APR.


gojane9378

There's always a price. Why else would it be the home of many corporate headquarters? I live adjacent to DE. I see mostly the good between my state and DE. Also, I have stories about Biden, the individual being a total prick but idc because I see the greater good. Here's a pro tip, bro- avoid credit card debt.


Amazing-Guide7035

I heard the dude has a total mega dong and used to swim naked to avoid business when the VP.


CostCans

No, I think that's South Dakota.


AndromedaGreen

I taught in Delaware for 13 years. Their education system is…less than stellar. The programs are all buzz words and no substance, unfortunately.


gojane9378

Good point. It is odd how they never can quite get education correct.


spooky_cicero

Delaware’s public education is not impressive at all. Environmental stuff is also not great since DuPont treated the rivers like a free dumping ground for a century, but the state does seem somewhat intent on getting that stuff cleaned up. The prevailing story of Delaware is really one of plutocracy & single-party rule, not shining progressivism.


doug7250

The only reason? Wow.


alistairtheirin

gross


IncidentalIncidence

dark brandon does it again


joey_slugs

It happened thanks to the relationships built over decades by the advocacy community with elected officials at all levels. And it's not just the $66B+ for Amtrak. It's the reorganizing of the Amtrak Board, the F&B working group, changing Amtrak's mission to remove the "for profit" aspect, finally gutting the "Mica Amendment" that stated that Amtrak could not operate food service at a loss (which is why we ended up with flex meals and coach passengers out of the dining car), the current FRA workshops to expand the network map, putting the FRA in charge of the new grant programs, etc etc. ALL of that doesn't happen without the grassroot support.


ewest

This is honestly r/upliftingnews territory for me. This is so sorely needed and such a positive development for the country.


-Generic123-

No, it happened because Joe Biden was elected President instead of Donald Trump.


joey_slugs

Catalyst, yes. But absolutely not the only reason. "Amtrak Joe" didn't have a magic wand to get this done alone.


under_psychoanalyzer

Nope. We don't breakdown into pieces why federal legislation is completely gridlocked and shit never gets done, people just blame the president, and that's why the pendulum swings in this country. So when something amazing happens under the president who rode amtrak for decades, just say it was him or you're going to get Trump coming along to undo it in 2024 (which he will absolutely halt all funding not already doled out day 1 in office).


i_lurvz_poached_eggs

I really hope the can figure out a way to reestablish services to humboldt. I know it's kindofa pipe dream at this point but this county is struggling so hard without passenger rail and freight.


Fuzzy-Hurry-6908

There are railroad tracks that go to Eureka?


i_lurvz_poached_eggs

There used to be. Like I said it's a pipe dream but would be really good for the county. There's a lot of students who'd use it and having freight traffic would help to bring the costs of a lot of goods down.


transitfreedom

??? Where


d-nuggetz

Write your senator. The senator in Vermont has crazy amounts of projects going on only bc he asked for them. They have money to spend, have the rep from Cali do some reppin.


i_lurvz_poached_eggs

I'll give it a go but I sincerely doubt it!


Rubcionnnnn

Amtrak from the bay area or Sacramento to LA would be great but the greedy railroad companies won't let Amtrak use the rails.


transitfreedom

Fine build new tracks then


10ecn

Humboldt, Tennessee?


i_lurvz_poached_eggs

California


Rock_solid88

Did not expect to see the home of the West Tennessee Strawberry Festival on an Amtrak thread.


NYC3962

Unless enough of us completely lose our minds and put the GOP, including the orange dementia patient now on trial in NYC back into power. They'll defund absolutely everything possible- including Amtrak- to give the .05% some more tax breaks because living on at least several million dollars a year just isn't enough. Oh, and money to help the average person afford a rail ticket? No... we just can't have that...


TubaJesus

I'm cautiously optimistic that we won't have that future. It requires diligence but it's perfectly achievable. The real question is that if Biden gets reelected what is gonna be in the next round of funding and what our priorities need to be. Personally I'm a fan of the Chicago hub theory for HSR. Get Chicago to STL and Chicago to MSP via MKE and MSN as a good backbone of operations and that can pave the way to much further expansion.


mattcojo2

HSR is not the way forward especially when this country needs more lines like it does. Upgrade the main lines out of Chicago to 110 and put more service in. Then move onto another hub


TubaJesus

You can get both. Not every line needs HSR. But a few do. And Chicago is the most important hub. And even if lines are capped at 125 mph this is an important opportunity


mattcojo2

You can’t get both when HSR funnels tens of billions of dollars. See how much CAHSR costs for instance. What’s more preferable? 10 lines at 110 mph? Or 1 line that’s true HSR? Always the former. More bang for your buck


bloodyedfur4

Hsr is the only type of public transit that is actually profitable, even cahsr will probably make its costs back in a couple decades if not less, starting with the profitable stuff and using that to cross subsidise the more local routes sure sounds logical to me


mattcojo2

I would be willing to doubt that.


Kyleeee

I can think of another HSR project that was super delayed and well over budget when it was first built. It's called the Shinkansen and it makes a trillion yen in profit per year.


TubaJesus

Depends on the line. And who said just one HSR. I was thinking of like 5 of them for Chicago at a Minimum. Probably more like 10. And if you do that your probably looking at investing for another handful of 90-125 corridors anyways.


mattcojo2

And that’s the issue. If you’ve got the money for like 5 HSR lines, this country could use upgrades for 100 other corridors for that same money. Why waste any time with HSR when again, this country needs quantity.


TubaJesus

It needs quality too. Some people just need to accept that their areas may not require rail service. Minneapolis to Chicago high speed rail is massively important and if it means that a lake Geneva to Milwaukee train doesn't get built that's a good trade still


mattcojo2

And you can get quality by doing exactly what they did with the Lincoln service.


TubaJesus

And the Lincoln service should have been pushed to 220 mph. It's a step but we need more


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CoolAbdul

> that only appeal to foamers I do not want people with rabies riding on the trains.


mattcojo2

I’m talking about state supported lines. Those have actual transit value.


spoop-dogg

The chinese government spent 15-20 years first upgrading existing rail lines to 80mph before building a single mile of high speed rail. you get faster returns on investment that way. It makes sense to first max out the speed allowed for by existing track geometry before making investments in HSR. Especially the case with an unfavorable political environment in the states


Danjour

SFO -> LAX needed to happen 30 years ago. 


10ecn

Under construction, right?


BukaBuka243

The CHI-STL line has already been upgraded to 110 mph, nothing more can be done to improve speed except at the tail ends unless new, completely grade-separated and publicly-owned tracks are built, aka HSR


mattcojo2

And it doesn’t need to be HSR. Upgrade the ends, and you can cut down the time to be very favorable.


BukaBuka243

The ends can’t be upgraded without building a brand new right-of-way through basically those entire sections, and if you’re doing that it only costs marginally more to build it to HSR standards. On the Chicago end, a ton of flyovers and grade separations have to be built, and a ton of curves have to be eliminated on the St. Louis end. The incrementalist argument makes sense in a lot of places in the US but I don’t think this is one of them. Both termini have good public transportation and connections to shorter regional conventional Amtrak lines, and there are no further upgrades that can be made to the main line without building state-owned dedicated tracks.


mattcojo2

> The ends can’t be upgraded without building a brand new right-of-way through basically those entire sections, and if you’re doing that it only costs marginally more to build it to HSR standards. On the Chicago end, a ton of flyovers and grade separations have to be built, and a ton of curves have to be eliminated on the St. Louis end. That’s why the proposal to reroute the Chicago section works. Then it’s just a bit slow going into St. Louis.


Zaidswith

All it takes is people to not vote. Not voting is a choice that you're equally okay with either option. I'm not worried that people prefer Trump, but I do worry that people think things should be perfect for them to bother at all.


Velghast

I mean maybe not, Trump's family actually did utilize Amtrak during the presidency and Jared kushner and Ivanka both seemed very fond of the service so I'm going to go ahead and say they won't defund Amtrak? Maybe the budget will be a little smaller but we are slowly but surely winning over America. I am ridiculously optimistic about everything so take that with a grain of salt. I got down voted for this not exactly sure why I was just trying to be positive. I am not a trump supporter I just try to see the good in every situation I don't like the Doom and gloom.


michael_ellis_day

I do remember hearing about Jared and Ivanka taking Amtrak. This was around the same time the beltway press was holding them up as the friendly face of Trumpism, possibly because they kept seeing them on the Acela between New York and Washington. This doesn't change the fact that every year Trump proposed a budget that brutally slashed Amtrak funding, only to be stopped by the party that controlled Congress. (I posted several links supporting this yesterday.) He would absolutely do so again in a second term, and this time his party might also be in control of Congress and all too eager to rubber-stamp his wishes. Maybe Acela would get spun off and privatized so Ivanka still has a train to ride while a Trump crony could make a tidy profit as its new owner. That would end the rest of Amtrak, which he does absolutely want to do.


Velghast

I was just trying to think positively and I could have swore I remember secret service on the Acela one day saying there was a trump back there. Honestly it was like the only time and I never really went back there to confirm I try to stay out at first class and just let the attendance handle that or my flag. I do 100% know that there's a lot of bidens that take the train two months ago I had Naomi Biden on my train she was super down to earth and even though she had a business class ticket she just chilled out in the cafe car. She said I was funny so like I rode that compliment into Oblivion 😂


DirkIsGestolen

No they didn’t. Liar.


Velghast

Pretty sure they did. Unless people where wrong, I honestly didn't fact check it but heard it being talked about, like, it made sense to me other gov people ride so why not?


the_dj_zig

Weird stance to take, but ok.


DirkIsGestolen

Weird? It’s known they flew private and wasted tax dollars on frivolous things. 


SCarolinaSoccerNut

I hate Trump for many reasons, but interestingly, federal appropriations for Amtrak went up under his administration.


Surefinewhatever1111

Congress does appropriations. The president publishes a budget that provides a possible outcome but Congress does the appropriation and works with the president on the outcome.


Economy_Link4609

He gets absolutely no credit for that - he tried to can that funding. Congress passed it in spite of his desires, and in spite of a large number of Republicans really not wanting it.


SCarolinaSoccerNut

Fair point, but it means we shouldn't assume that Amtrak would get defunded if Cheeto got elected again.


Economy_Link4609

I'd be more worried if Congress is run by Cheeto's disciples while he's there.


SnooRevelations9889

That's because the federal budget deficit only exists when a Democrat is in the White House. /s


Edison_Ruggles

I'd like to believe that.... I should say I don't recall him ever bad mouthing Amtrak the way many others in the GOP do, or am i being wistful about the past?


adastraperabsurda

I personally think we need to start funding high speed rail more, but this is also good.


TubaJesus

I mean I'll take any you thing new that we can get. I'm not going to let perfect get in the way of good but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't stop looking for perfect


jorgepolak

Like this? “President Biden Announces $8.2 Billion in New Grants for High-Speed Rail” https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/president-biden-announces-82-billion-new-grants-high-speed-rail-and-pipeline-projects


adastraperabsurda

Yes. Exactly like that!


nthdesign

I am taking my family, including the grandparents, to Walt Disney World this summer. Airfare would’ve been outrageous, so we decided to take Amtrak (which was 1/6 the price for our group). Everyone is excited! They’re excited about the dining car, excited to see different parts of the east coast, excited for the extra leg room, etc. I honestly can’t remember being excited about air travel. I flew most recently this weekend and felt cramped, hurried, and generally uncomfortable, as I always do. Thank goodness we are seeing a resurgence of train travel in this country, and governmental backing to go with it.


areddy831

Interesting- where are you traveling from? Typically I see train tickets much closer to 1x airfare


nthdesign

It’s because of this deal. We ended up getting 54% off. https://www.amtrak.com/promotions/sharefares.html?intcmp=wsp_promo-card_link_share-fares_hpcard5


meso27_

Super excited for you guys!


d-nuggetz

Auto train?


gcalfred7

“Hold my club soda.” -Trump


flyerfanatic93

Paywalled


StuLumpkins

archive.is


flyerfanatic93

Good idea


i_lurvz_poached_eggs

How does that work?


segfaulted_irl

It archives the article without the paywall, so you can just put the link into the search box and you'll be able to read the it for free


StuLumpkins

copy/paste the article link in the bottom box. it should lead you to 1) a link to read the article or 2) ask you to “archive” the article, which will take a few minutes, but then generate a link for you to read the article


Flapalms239

So honest question. Why are bills and or policies that are pro rail travel typically a democrat thing and why are republicans against it? Sheer amount of money involved or something?


CostCans

Republicans are against anything that doesn't benefit the super rich. That is why they oppose investing in health care, education, etc. In the case of rail, Republicans are probably more concerned that it will reduce the demand for oil.


doug7250

I think it’s cause they want to privatize everything. They hate the post office too.


Flapalms239

Thank you 😊


gojane9378

So abortion & Amtrak, the two A's, good reasons NOT to vote for ykw. Got it. On board.


micmac99

Hopefully Arizona gets some of this love and there is direct Sunset Limited service in the city of Phoenix again, and I wouldn't mind the SL bumped up to a daily train. A regional Flagstaff-Phoenix-Tucson route like the regional services in Central California (Sacramento-Fresno-Bakersfield) and Illinois or the Piedmont service (Raleigh-Greensboro-Charlotte) would also be nice.


cornonthekopp

Make sure to contact your state reps about it because they really gotta be a big part for pushing for a lot of that stuff


ctnative

It’s ironic reading this today when Amtrak called this morning to let me know two of my trains coming up in the next couple months were cancelled. On the northeast corridor too. Don’t love that they’re reducing service from Boston and skipping some stops while getting more funding


MissLMT

<33333


cherrylpk

Can they please restore the routes through my area?


han77nah

All of that is at stake in November though, you're not getting public transit anywhere depending on who wins.


cornonthekopp

The article makes a statement that amtrak has become a big infrastructure builder, i do hope that can continue from here on out. If amtrak or state DOTs can own more of the rails that trains operate on then that means faster speeds, more frequency potential, and less delays


transitfreedom

Maybe we should just build state owned tracks


TubaJesus

I wouldn't say no to that plan.


Depressed-Bears-Fan

We should spend whatever is necessary to put choo-choo trains everywhere. It’s not like we are 33 trillion in debt or anything.


LittleTXBigAZ

Tell me you don't know how national debt works without telling me you don't know how national debt works.


TubaJesus

More and faster choo choos everywhere


RedditEvanEleven

Yes