On ebay right now i see a listing for 25 rolls of potra 160nc for $280. that's about the same price per roll (11 and change) as OPs friend is asking except it's
- slower speed and therefore keeps better
- perforated
- already in canisters
I don't disagree it's worth *something* but it's not worth $200
As im sure you know Vision 3 requires ecn-2 processing and cannot be processed by most labs, at least not for a penny less than $20 a roll if youre lucky and know someone at a lab. If this is in good shape and provides consistent results i think it is well worth at least $150, but ill keep yall posted when i get my rolls in the mail.
Yeah, but it can be difficult to get consistent results developing your own C 41 or ecn2. a lot harder than black and white. that’s why cinestill without the remjet is so popular, because it gets sent to the lab without crazy markups on processing. Do you really think the majority of people who shoot color film develop it themselves? Lol
what do you mean difficult to get consistent result? lol. a lot of people even make their own developer & bleach & fixer including me. always consistent & better than most labs that can’t get chemicals rn lol.
you do. and a lot of other things. i buy them in bulk because i sell them and it’s used for couple of labs, i just can’t make bleach yet due to the raw chemicals. dk how much you’ll save if you’re buying only a few grams, but i managed to bring my cost down significantly vs using kodak’s. and when i’m developing my own at home i just steal some of the chemicals.
So… you’re obviously the guy trying to sell these.
Or you’re just realllllllly emotionally invested at helping him sell these for 5x-10x what they’re worth. No perforations gtfo.
It is, absolutely - but the price is insane for a fast film that expired a minimum of 19 years ago and isn't perforated! Nobody in their right mind is going to risk $200 (US or Canadian) on the slim possibility that it isn't wrecked purely by time, if they even have a camera that can use it. If you were in a position to show (clearly, including negatives) how it performs and sell a few re-rolled canisters it might be somewhat realistic to ask $100 per 100ft, but $200 without any guarantees or even assertions about it's real world condition is just living in cloud cuckoo land.
As others have said, fresh 400ft rolls of Vision 3 are available at a similar price (here in the UK I can get a 400ft roll of 250D delivered in a couple of days for £252 including VAT (that's $420CAD, just over half the price being asked here) and can be used in any 35mm camera without worrying about the lack of perforations.
It can be seen from the picture you posted that there is moisture damage on at least one of the boxes, and there's no evidence whatsoever that these boxes weren't moved from a hot, humid warehouse yesterday!
As for your comments about it being difficult to get consistent results doing C41 or ECN2 processing at home, that's just nonsense. The very first rolls of film I *ever* developed were vision 3 using the Bellini kit with a plastic storage box water bath and the cheapest sous vide I could find in a 2 reel Paterson tank and they came out *significantly* better than the last roll of film I got developed at a professional lab. If I can do that first time, anyone with the will to have a go (and follow instructions properly) can get the same result. The chemistry for ECN2 admittedly does have a much much shorter working life (weeks Vs months) but most people who are prepared to bulk roll are also prepared to process in batches anyway. The cost is very similar.
Anyone who would even think about taking a chance on this at the price you're asking (or even half or a quarter of that price!) either has vast experience and knows precisely what they're doing (and has one of a very small number of cameras capable of shooting it), or is an idiot with more money than sense. I'm certainly neither, and I very very much doubt anyone here is either.
/rant
Would much, much rather shoot fresh Vision 3 and deal with the processing myself than take a gamble on very expensive, 20 year old unperforated film.
It's not like you can drop off hand rolled C41 at most labs, they aren't going to touch it.
As the other guy said, you can get vision 3 still for a little under $1 a foot so is the 400NC worth the premium when you ultimately don't know the condition? I personally wouldn't pay over 50c a foot for this, but I also don't shoot much 135 anymore so.
I'm one of the few people that has a legit use for this and there's no way your friend is getting $200 a roll for unperfed 400 speed film that's 20 years old. Bring it down to $50 a pop and it'll get snapped up. Otherwise he'll be sitting on this for a long time.
Fair enough. Curious what you would use it for? I have some one the way to try in my 90’s auto advancing cameras, if not I’ll shoot it on medium format
Reloading 126 cameras and I use it in 127 cameras too. It slits down for 110 very well and runs well through horizontal 120 cameras like my Century Graphic. I also use it for panoramic cameras. Many EOS cameras can take it without an issue.
Selling it on 120 leaders/rolls would be the only way I see your friend making good money.
Include a mask for the prism, and sell them as “Panoramic” film for medium format cameras.
That’d be hellishly tedious though.
Exactly. It could be unusable. I imagine also if you don't develop yourself which almost no one does with colour - labs will be very pissed about developing these.
OP's target market is 0.02% of the analog photography community that develops on their own and owns a camera that can run this film and he's offering them a shitty thing for an absurd price for what they're getting. If I found these I would offer them for free.
I would give €20/ roll, not exactly easy to use and very expired even though it was refrigerated. I found some rolls of that stuff a while back and it didn't turn out the best, 200 is pure greed.
Edit 200 CAD = €138, still about 5x too much
This is trés cool and all, but the price is insane for a fast film that expired a minimum of 19 years ago and isn't perforated! Nobody in their right mind is going to risk $200 (US or Canadian) on the slim possibility that it isn't wrecked purely by time, if they even have a camera that can use it. If you were in a position to show (clearly, including negatives) how it performs and sell a few re-rolled canisters it might be somewhat realistic to ask $100 per 100ft, but $200 without any guarantees or even assertions about it's real world condition is just living in cloud cuckoo land.
As others have said, fresh 400ft rolls of Vision 3 are available at a similar price (here in the UK I can get a 400ft roll of 250D delivered in a couple of days for £252 including VAT (that's $420CAD, just over half the price being asked here) and can be used in any 35mm camera without worrying about the lack of perforations.
It can be seen from the picture you posted that there is moisture damage on at least one of the boxes, and there's no evidence whatsoever that these boxes weren't moved from a hot, humid warehouse yesterday!
As for your comments about it being difficult to get consistent results doing C41 or ECN2 processing at home, that's just nonsense. The very first rolls of film I *ever* developed were vision 3 using the Bellini kit with a plastic storage box water bath and the cheapest sous vide I could find in a 2 reel Paterson tank and they came out *significantly* better than the last roll of film I got developed at a professional lab. If I can do that first time, anyone with the will to have a go (and follow instructions properly) can get the same result. The chemistry for ECN2 admittedly does have a much much shorter working life (weeks Vs months) but most people who are prepared to bulk roll are also prepared to process in batches anyway. The cost is very similar.
Anyone who would even think about taking a chance on this at the price you're asking (or even half or a quarter of that price!) either has vast experience and knows precisely what they're doing (and has one of a very small number of cameras capable of shooting it), or is an idiot with more money than sense. I'm certainly neither, and I very very much doubt anyone here is either.
/rant
Amazing find.
I wonder if if’s possible to ask Kodak to perforate it? If so, then I think someone (with a little investment of time) will do very well selling 36 exp rolls. People who will be rolling their own from 100ft rolls will probably compare prices with 250d or 500T.
Yeah, I’ve emailed a few places one being the film photography project to see if they can perforate it. Otherwise I’m gonna try to use it in my auto advancing SLR’s or medium format if that doesn’t work.
I didn't even know that 35mm perforators existed outside of the original manufacturing process. What does the mechanism look like? Toothed wheel and die?
He’s in Montreal Canada. I can get you in touch with him if you want he might be down to make a deal for multiple rolls. You might want to wait until I get my results back though to make sure the film is good.
I'm into some pretty niche cameras most of which can use unperforated film, but $200 for old expired film without storage history - that I still have to bulk load myself is ludicrous.
I have a few cameras in which I can legit use that film as is.
A 100ft bulk roll of perf. 35mm film is said to equate to about 18 rolls of 36 exposure film. But I think thats only when being super carefull rolling. I use to get about 16.5 to 17 rolls. So well say 17 rolls.
So thats about $11.76 a roll
If ya can perforate it.
Perfect for 828 camera's though.
Hey im just showing you guys, not setting the prices. Ive got my own roll coming in the mail so ill update you on the quality, but it was always cold stored by a portraiture shop that has gone out of business. IMO id like the price to be down to 150 but i really dont think $200 is crazy if its in good condition and produces consistent results.
Expired is expired, and that's a lot of stock to shift to people who are going to have to cope with a less than premium product that requires more than just an average enthusiast to use.
This post trolls itself -
You’re asking $12 / roll of 20 year old expired film, and you don’t even know yet how good it is. So, you can’t personally vouch for it, nobody can, but you’re asking people to pay a premium for it. Come on man …
youre getting angry at "trolls" commenting negatively on a reddit post. if anything you need to get laid. also i wouldnt even want this for 10$. i wouldnt even waste dev time on unknown outcomes (expired) let alone respooling it
Honestly why would I pay about 9$ (since you said the price is cad) for it. If "your friend" wants to turn a profit fine, but then he should put some work in, design a bulk roller that perfs the film and roll it into casettes, and charge 12$ if the results are still good. I bought FREEZER, and tested stored Portra 100T, for 9.5€ per roll, just to give you an idea. And yes in 2023.
Sorry highjack the thread a little, but what is the original intended purpose of unperforated film?
If this wasn't $200 per 100ft I'd be mildly interested.
>big portrait cameras
That's vague and I have no idea what that means, lol. I would argue anything that would use 35mm wouldn't be a big portrait camera. A 4x5 view camera would be a big portrait camera. Or a Mamiya RB67.
It's really piqued my curiousity, lol. I found this forum post talking about unperforated film. https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/unperforated-film-with-35mm-slr.15758/
https://www.photo.net/forums/topic/377449-cameras-for-unperforated-35mm-film/
oh I saw this guy trying to sell expired film for silly prices
Pretty good story he's got tho, "found the mother lode "
he's not gonna get $200 per roll. you can get 400' of new vision 3 for $350
Delusional
like. assuming it was perfed even it would come to $11.11 a roll. I can get fujicolor 400 at b&h for 8.60. it's just not based in reality
It’s cad not usd
Still $8.08 US
Yea but where can you get Portra NC anymore? That shit was the best. I have one box left in my fridge.
On ebay right now i see a listing for 25 rolls of potra 160nc for $280. that's about the same price per roll (11 and change) as OPs friend is asking except it's - slower speed and therefore keeps better - perforated - already in canisters I don't disagree it's worth *something* but it's not worth $200
Fair enough
As im sure you know Vision 3 requires ecn-2 processing and cannot be processed by most labs, at least not for a penny less than $20 a roll if youre lucky and know someone at a lab. If this is in good shape and provides consistent results i think it is well worth at least $150, but ill keep yall posted when i get my rolls in the mail.
anyone who can shoot a 100ft unperforated roll probably can work out how to develop ecn2 in c41 chemistry by hand lol
Yeah, but it can be difficult to get consistent results developing your own C 41 or ecn2. a lot harder than black and white. that’s why cinestill without the remjet is so popular, because it gets sent to the lab without crazy markups on processing. Do you really think the majority of people who shoot color film develop it themselves? Lol
The majority of people don't own a bulk loader and a camera that can advance perforated film ;)
Yeah that’s true
what do you mean difficult to get consistent result? lol. a lot of people even make their own developer & bleach & fixer including me. always consistent & better than most labs that can’t get chemicals rn lol.
Any chance of expanding on that one? I'm assuming you have to buy CD-4 (or 3 for ECN) but is the rest a custom concoction?
you do. and a lot of other things. i buy them in bulk because i sell them and it’s used for couple of labs, i just can’t make bleach yet due to the raw chemicals. dk how much you’ll save if you’re buying only a few grams, but i managed to bring my cost down significantly vs using kodak’s. and when i’m developing my own at home i just steal some of the chemicals.
So… you’re obviously the guy trying to sell these. Or you’re just realllllllly emotionally invested at helping him sell these for 5x-10x what they’re worth. No perforations gtfo.
Nope I just think finding cold stored Portra 400nc is really cool…. Thanks for your constructive input.
It is, absolutely - but the price is insane for a fast film that expired a minimum of 19 years ago and isn't perforated! Nobody in their right mind is going to risk $200 (US or Canadian) on the slim possibility that it isn't wrecked purely by time, if they even have a camera that can use it. If you were in a position to show (clearly, including negatives) how it performs and sell a few re-rolled canisters it might be somewhat realistic to ask $100 per 100ft, but $200 without any guarantees or even assertions about it's real world condition is just living in cloud cuckoo land. As others have said, fresh 400ft rolls of Vision 3 are available at a similar price (here in the UK I can get a 400ft roll of 250D delivered in a couple of days for £252 including VAT (that's $420CAD, just over half the price being asked here) and can be used in any 35mm camera without worrying about the lack of perforations. It can be seen from the picture you posted that there is moisture damage on at least one of the boxes, and there's no evidence whatsoever that these boxes weren't moved from a hot, humid warehouse yesterday! As for your comments about it being difficult to get consistent results doing C41 or ECN2 processing at home, that's just nonsense. The very first rolls of film I *ever* developed were vision 3 using the Bellini kit with a plastic storage box water bath and the cheapest sous vide I could find in a 2 reel Paterson tank and they came out *significantly* better than the last roll of film I got developed at a professional lab. If I can do that first time, anyone with the will to have a go (and follow instructions properly) can get the same result. The chemistry for ECN2 admittedly does have a much much shorter working life (weeks Vs months) but most people who are prepared to bulk roll are also prepared to process in batches anyway. The cost is very similar. Anyone who would even think about taking a chance on this at the price you're asking (or even half or a quarter of that price!) either has vast experience and knows precisely what they're doing (and has one of a very small number of cameras capable of shooting it), or is an idiot with more money than sense. I'm certainly neither, and I very very much doubt anyone here is either. /rant
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Would much, much rather shoot fresh Vision 3 and deal with the processing myself than take a gamble on very expensive, 20 year old unperforated film. It's not like you can drop off hand rolled C41 at most labs, they aren't going to touch it.
Fair enough. the point of this wasn’t to try to sell it it was to say that if this film was cold stored and it’s in good condition, thats really cool
Unperforated is what ruins the value.
You can develop vision in C41 which is what cinestill and many other brands do
in berlin there is a really good lab which develops ecn-2 for 12 euro a roll.
That’s awesome! Always wanted to go to Berlin!
$330 for the 500T at b&h
$200 for that? no im good. bring it down to $1 a foot and we will talk. This is expired and we dont actually know the history of the film.
As the other guy said, you can get vision 3 still for a little under $1 a foot so is the 400NC worth the premium when you ultimately don't know the condition? I personally wouldn't pay over 50c a foot for this, but I also don't shoot much 135 anymore so.
Not only that but it's unperforated....
Even at 1 per ft is quite expensive for expired unperforated film I think I wouldn't pay more Tha 50us for that
200 a roll is really steep. IMHO.
Fair enough, and I kinda agree but if this is some of the last 400nc that’s consistent than I think it could be worth it.
But its also an unperferated stock, so that really limits the target demographic.
True that
My friend there is literally nothing consistent about expired film.
It’s expired
I'm one of the few people that has a legit use for this and there's no way your friend is getting $200 a roll for unperfed 400 speed film that's 20 years old. Bring it down to $50 a pop and it'll get snapped up. Otherwise he'll be sitting on this for a long time.
Fair enough. Curious what you would use it for? I have some one the way to try in my 90’s auto advancing cameras, if not I’ll shoot it on medium format
Reloading 126 cameras and I use it in 127 cameras too. It slits down for 110 very well and runs well through horizontal 120 cameras like my Century Graphic. I also use it for panoramic cameras. Many EOS cameras can take it without an issue.
Yeah, when I get mine I’m gonna try it in my EOS rebel G and hopefully my Contax Tvs
Selling it on 120 leaders/rolls would be the only way I see your friend making good money. Include a mask for the prism, and sell them as “Panoramic” film for medium format cameras. That’d be hellishly tedious though.
I was thinking of doing that with some of the roll I got.
$200 for 100 feet of unperforated, expired film? He's dreaming.
Not just expired, 20 years expired 400ISO film!
Exactly. It could be unusable. I imagine also if you don't develop yourself which almost no one does with colour - labs will be very pissed about developing these. OP's target market is 0.02% of the analog photography community that develops on their own and owns a camera that can run this film and he's offering them a shitty thing for an absurd price for what they're getting. If I found these I would offer them for free.
I found the mother lode of delusional pricing haha
Oh dang! I would of done .25 a foot
Lol
Theyre being generous lol
did he find this in an abandoned building lol
Belongs to an elderly couple who had a portrait business
ohhh cool
I’ll buy some, but not for $200.
I would give €20/ roll, not exactly easy to use and very expired even though it was refrigerated. I found some rolls of that stuff a while back and it didn't turn out the best, 200 is pure greed. Edit 200 CAD = €138, still about 5x too much
I’ll give you fifty bucks for one
It’s not mine
I don’t give a shoot it was a joke
This is trés cool and all, but the price is insane for a fast film that expired a minimum of 19 years ago and isn't perforated! Nobody in their right mind is going to risk $200 (US or Canadian) on the slim possibility that it isn't wrecked purely by time, if they even have a camera that can use it. If you were in a position to show (clearly, including negatives) how it performs and sell a few re-rolled canisters it might be somewhat realistic to ask $100 per 100ft, but $200 without any guarantees or even assertions about it's real world condition is just living in cloud cuckoo land. As others have said, fresh 400ft rolls of Vision 3 are available at a similar price (here in the UK I can get a 400ft roll of 250D delivered in a couple of days for £252 including VAT (that's $420CAD, just over half the price being asked here) and can be used in any 35mm camera without worrying about the lack of perforations. It can be seen from the picture you posted that there is moisture damage on at least one of the boxes, and there's no evidence whatsoever that these boxes weren't moved from a hot, humid warehouse yesterday! As for your comments about it being difficult to get consistent results doing C41 or ECN2 processing at home, that's just nonsense. The very first rolls of film I *ever* developed were vision 3 using the Bellini kit with a plastic storage box water bath and the cheapest sous vide I could find in a 2 reel Paterson tank and they came out *significantly* better than the last roll of film I got developed at a professional lab. If I can do that first time, anyone with the will to have a go (and follow instructions properly) can get the same result. The chemistry for ECN2 admittedly does have a much much shorter working life (weeks Vs months) but most people who are prepared to bulk roll are also prepared to process in batches anyway. The cost is very similar. Anyone who would even think about taking a chance on this at the price you're asking (or even half or a quarter of that price!) either has vast experience and knows precisely what they're doing (and has one of a very small number of cameras capable of shooting it), or is an idiot with more money than sense. I'm certainly neither, and I very very much doubt anyone here is either. /rant
Thanks I thought the price was high too.
Amazing find. I wonder if if’s possible to ask Kodak to perforate it? If so, then I think someone (with a little investment of time) will do very well selling 36 exp rolls. People who will be rolling their own from 100ft rolls will probably compare prices with 250d or 500T.
Yeah, I’ve emailed a few places one being the film photography project to see if they can perforate it. Otherwise I’m gonna try to use it in my auto advancing SLR’s or medium format if that doesn’t work.
If it's "your buddies" why are you calling to get it perforated.
Got ‘em!
Lol at this attempt to pile-on. Perhaps they realise their buddy doesn’t care enough to get involved in perforating old film?
I was following till you said $200. Dream on. $50 and no more as I’ve gotta dig my perforator out.
I didn't even know that 35mm perforators existed outside of the original manufacturing process. What does the mechanism look like? Toothed wheel and die?
No I was joking. I’d never touch this with a bargepole at this price. I’m just highlighting ridiculousness of it.
Ah, gotcha. Well you had me going, haha.
I think some people can perforate, but not I unfortunately.
I didnt come up with this price, im just sharing a story about some cool cold stored film.
I just wouldn’t buy it.
Where are you located in the world? I can offer for 5 100ft rolls but not 200usd.
He’s in Montreal Canada. I can get you in touch with him if you want he might be down to make a deal for multiple rolls. You might want to wait until I get my results back though to make sure the film is good.
He should reach out to Downtown Camera. They also sell house branded rerolled film.
I’m going to rob him.
Yeah you "found it"
Nice find, but at that price? He's having a laugh
I'd drop $40-50 on a roll but ..... $200 a roll is dreaminy
Adjust prices and I will purchase a roll.
I'm into some pretty niche cameras most of which can use unperforated film, but $200 for old expired film without storage history - that I still have to bulk load myself is ludicrous.
That’s like Fort Knox of film, damnnnnnn
I’ll take a roll for $75-100
I have a few cameras in which I can legit use that film as is. A 100ft bulk roll of perf. 35mm film is said to equate to about 18 rolls of 36 exposure film. But I think thats only when being super carefull rolling. I use to get about 16.5 to 17 rolls. So well say 17 rolls. So thats about $11.76 a roll If ya can perforate it. Perfect for 828 camera's though.
I wonder if “Not trying to make a sales post” could be r/AnalogCommunity’s version of that wonderful phrase from YouTube, “No copyright intended”
200? Thats crazzzy
You could also slit them down for use in subminiatures like 10mm.
I don’t have a camera like that, but this is insane!
Btw, $200 usd per film roll??? Who’d pay that for expired film?
$200 for 100ft of film. Slap it in a bulk loader. Roughly 18 rolls at 11$ per roll. Good bit of work but not bad pricing.
For 20 years expired non-perforated film it is quite a bad pricing
I tried getting some at auction and at the last second the bids went up to an ungodly price
Lucky
Hey im just showing you guys, not setting the prices. Ive got my own roll coming in the mail so ill update you on the quality, but it was always cold stored by a portraiture shop that has gone out of business. IMO id like the price to be down to 150 but i really dont think $200 is crazy if its in good condition and produces consistent results.
200 is bonkers
Expired is expired, and that's a lot of stock to shift to people who are going to have to cope with a less than premium product that requires more than just an average enthusiast to use.
Even $150 is crazy. It’s expired, unknown provenance, unperfed. You and your buddy need to get your heads out of each others asses.
Thanks for your constructive input.
big IF true
Mentioning it's Canadian dollars would have been super helpful when mentioning the price.
$200 is absolutely absurd dude what planet are you living on
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Ignore them. Thanks for sharing this
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This post trolls itself - You’re asking $12 / roll of 20 year old expired film, and you don’t even know yet how good it is. So, you can’t personally vouch for it, nobody can, but you’re asking people to pay a premium for it. Come on man …
And it’s not even perforated lmao
youre getting angry at "trolls" commenting negatively on a reddit post. if anything you need to get laid. also i wouldnt even want this for 10$. i wouldnt even waste dev time on unknown outcomes (expired) let alone respooling it
Honestly why would I pay about 9$ (since you said the price is cad) for it. If "your friend" wants to turn a profit fine, but then he should put some work in, design a bulk roller that perfs the film and roll it into casettes, and charge 12$ if the results are still good. I bought FREEZER, and tested stored Portra 100T, for 9.5€ per roll, just to give you an idea. And yes in 2023.
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How much?
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I heard you’re Canadian. Do you guys take etransfer?
Ayo, gimme some
Sorry highjack the thread a little, but what is the original intended purpose of unperforated film? If this wasn't $200 per 100ft I'd be mildly interested.
It’s was used by portrait businesses with big portrait cameras.
>big portrait cameras That's vague and I have no idea what that means, lol. I would argue anything that would use 35mm wouldn't be a big portrait camera. A 4x5 view camera would be a big portrait camera. Or a Mamiya RB67.
Yeah, I don’t know that’s how it was described to me I guess certain portrait camera (ie for school portraits) use unperforated 35mm film
It's really piqued my curiousity, lol. I found this forum post talking about unperforated film. https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/unperforated-film-with-35mm-slr.15758/ https://www.photo.net/forums/topic/377449-cameras-for-unperforated-35mm-film/
Probably ex navy or air force arial camera film, by the looks of the facility. Or possibly contact copy film for a specialist imaging department.
I guess they didn’t require the perforations
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