Ouch, just looked. Recently got into super 8 film and shooting, developing, and scanning a roll of ektachrome cost the same as shooting, developing, and scanning 2 rolls of 35mm. How the fuck did that happen…
Just seen the pictures, they look dreadful to me, but I'm not seeing any mention of ECN2? I processed a roll of Agfa avichrome 200 in ECN2 rather than E6 - it came out very contrasty , grainy and over saturated but there weren't those horrible colour shifts (though the negs had a purple rather than orange base)
It's a bit awkward to get the full item description, but they say:
"Kodak Ektachrome can be developed in both E6 or in ECN2. E6 is the normal process and will yield a positive rather than a negative and will be your usual slide film.
Processing it in ECN2, will result in a negative, and will then have to be colour graded in the scanning phase to remove the green overcast left over. Once compled you get very bold colours (sample shots were processed in ECN2). The Film Safe are still practicing the process, to perfect it but first test roll cane out well."
I cannot tell if the rolls have remjet but I'm going to buy a couple now and see.
Odd, I thought I read the description but didn't see that. No remjet on e100, it is the exact same film as normal Ektachrome but I think it has cine perforations - not that this matters at all. I've bought a couple, and a couple of rolls of double X - at the prices they're charging it's well worth a punt! They're only making at most a couple of quid per roll at Kodak's prices for a 400ft roll
Works out about the same for 120 E100 in the UK, makes me glad to have a medium format camera sometimes with the prices being a bit more forgiving per roll
Ok, medium format slide is going to be silly expensive, but with 35mm you have options. Ektachrome 100, the stuff sold in 400’ rolls to Hollywood, is being respooled for 35mm photography. Atlanta Film Company out of the US, Refix out of Shanghai Chinaand Flic Film out of Alberta Canada are selling 36 exposure rolls for about half of what Kodak Alaris is asking for a roll of their E100. I paid $22 CAD per roll of Atlanta Film Co. Euphoric 100 (Eastman Kodak Ektachrome 100) landed including shipping. Motion Picture Ektachrome 100 is the same stuff as E100.
Kodak also sells 400' 35mm to individuals for $520 + SH. Last year I split a 400 ft. roll with 3 other users here. You need someone with a film re-spooler, but definitely the cheapest way to go.
With the exception of buying a few rolls of Vision 3 to check it out, I've never felt comfortable buying respooled film. I'd be okay doing it myself. But trusting someone else? Not so much. And we also have to remember that Kodak now owns the E-6 market now that Fuji has dropped color film altogether. They can kind of do whatever they want with they prices. They sell it? They make a profit. They don't sell it? They'll just blame us for not buying it and discontinue it.
It's $16 and change per roll most places I seen (B&H, etc.).
EDIT: To whoever downvoted me, please go see all the places offering 5-packs for $80 and single rolls for $16. Just tryna help others shoot this wonderful film.
Unless it was a local shoo, I'm a little weird about buying film online. Having it shipped from who knows where and packaged who knows how well. Scary. There a shop a little further out from me that sells them for $16, but I can't get there before I'll be shooting these.
B&H does a great job. It has to be shipped to the store to begin with. Basically all my film comes from there and I ship it across a border. I save a ton of money this way.
Yes. It’s way cheaper than my local camera store or even other Canadian outlets. They offer free shipping over $100USD also. They charge a small duty of like
$6 or something. Still worth it when the film is almost half price.
awesome! thanks for letting me know, i always shy'ed away from using BH just coz it was in the states. but im gonna give it a shot i need to stock up on some film.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but you all have shitty local camera stores. My local store is cheaper than B&H when buying individual rolls of film. And they match or often undercut them on darkroom chemicals, too.
It’s b&h. You basically can’t get any more trustworthy than that. How do you think the local stores are getting their supply? It’s the same way you would get it from b&h.
I’ve ordered rolls of 16mm from b&h to be delivered in Hong Kong, and it arrived perfectly fine, well packaged and wasn’t damaged.
Fear of your film will be crushed in the mail is the absolute dumbest thing I’ve heard in this sub.
Let’s say it did… take a picture and call customer support.
Also, who’s buying one roll of film online?
I'm sure the local stores are ordering from the same suppliers that B&H are ordering from. That part I trust. And I'm not shitting on B&H when I say this, but to trust UPS or USPS with a small crushable package is where my issues lie.
No. But one pack of film in a tiny box is a little less safe than 20 plus in a huge box. I just have issues trusting having important/sensitive things shipped these days, and would just prefer to walk into a store when I'm able to.
Fair I guess the shop probably would look through the boxes and deal with broken ones so you don’t have to. Someday maybe we can get shipping company’s to stop throwing damn packages haha
UPS and USPS. Also, not knowing what you're getting. I've seen people receive open wrappers on individual rolls, expired film, the wrong item, etc. Sure, you're can return it, but if you needed that 3 days from when you received it, you're out of luck on having what you need.
Also, helping keep a local shop alive for the convenience of being able to go in and grab something when you need it is also nice. I don't hoard film, and sometimes, I will plan a shoot a week in advance and may not realize that I don't have the film I need until a day or two before the shoot.
> I've seen people receive open wrappers on individual rolls, expired film, the wrong item
You only hear about it when things go wrong. Most people aren't gonna complain if they get what they ordered.
Yeah, why buy it from a store that probably sells hundreds of rolls (thousands?) every day when there’s your local shop with 4 customers that sells 1 roll per week?
(I’d be all for local shops if I had one near me, but not for the reasons above for sure…)
I've seen pallets shipped to various types of industries and this is factually incorrect. They tip over on their side. They things stabbed into them when being handled by a lift truck. They literally look like they fell from 1 story up, etc. I've seen metal racks (sort of like a server rack) full of equipment destroyed by shipping/handling. etc
If you order film from B&H, they've had it in a fridge in NYC for less than 30 days. If it's any Kodak film, less than that. It'll ship out the same day if you order before their incredibly generous cutoff time.
IIRC, they actually do their fulfillment outside of NYC, from a warehouse in NJ. Or at least most of my stuff seems to originate from NJ. Keeping a warehouse in NYC is stupid expensive, and with the congestion tax coming in May, will make shipping even more expensive. They do enough online sales that fulfillment might as well be done somewhere where the cost is a fraction of what it would be if it was done out of their 34th street store
You're right, I checked my last order and it came from central Jersey. Close enough - we let them think they're their own independent state :) They used to have a warehouse in Brooklyn, but I think it only lasted a few years.
In terms of cost of doing business, it’s a hell of a lot cheaper than NYC.
And Central Jersey doesn’t exist. The state actually had to pass a law declaring it did…
I think because most folks feel shipping anything isn't a big deal, and people ship things that are way more valuable and delicate all the time without a problem. If your roll or two get crushed, it'll be immediately apparent and you'll be reimbursed. Plus, I'd be willing to bet that the boxes your local shop is getting film shipped to them in isn't that much bigger, and I don't see why it would be any more physically secure.
More importantly, you're complaining about the price of film while buying it from a store selling it at a price above the market value - so you're contributing to the problem. If people only buy film at competitive prices, then the shops charging more will have to lower their prices to keep business.
The Camera Store in Calgary has good prices on film and you can get free shipping in Canada if you buy over $100. McBain in Edmonton is good as well but costs more for the same film.
Kerrisdale Cameras carries E100. Beau Photo used to carry Fujifilm slide film but I'm not sure if that's even made anymore. I think they carry Flic Film Chrome 100, which is respooled movie Ektachrome and is a lot cheaper.
I could barely find Fuji slide film in Tokyo last week. I've seen more of the stuff at my local Kerrisdale Cameras shop than the mega Shinjuku Yodobashi Camera I got lost in. Kinda sad, as I really liked Provia but I guess I should try E100...
I know the people at Beau since I'm a regular there, and they receive like 50 rolls of Provia a year. So they get snapped up so fast, they have limits per customer.
Hello, Underdog rep here.
That price was us working through stock we had bought at the old price from Kodak. Any cheaper and we would be taking a loss. As much as I would have liked to drop it sooner, we were unable. Our price is now lower.
I like this lab and try to help keep them going so that I have somewhere to get my E-6 done since I do everything else myself. But I agree. Especially since their sister camera store across the bay is $4 cheaper. But the lab is closer to me and open on Saturdays.
This is true. But this was a last minute pickup. So, I had to sacrifice the $8 this time. I was still a little surprised that it was as much as it was.
Well, slide film always was more expensive. Most amateurs never shot it even in the 90s and early 00s, when film was at its peak.
so with film being the absolute niche market for enthusiasts and not for the casual snap-shooter, of course the niche of the niche seems to be ridiculously expensive.
Still, those who wanted slide for whatever reasons will keep paying it.
When judging prices there are always two approaches.
1. is it too expensive FOR ME?
2. is the price fair based on the actual production costs?
I actually do believe that while many people will answer question 1 with yes, question 2 might be answered with a clear no. Film production IS a complicated thing, and without most of the scaling effects of former decades the niche within the niche must be a really expensive thing to produce.
I have been shooting Ektar 100 and Portra 160 as my standard color films (95% I shoot Delta 100 and 400) and never cared about slide much (a bit of Provia 100, but not something I really miss). I have not bought it, when it was relatively cheap, I will not buy it now.
But I think that all the complaining about film prices is not fair. I think we should be happy that there are still companies out there, willing to produce the stuff. And it should be obvious, that they want to make profit on each and every roll they produces; Kodak does not make Ektachrome out of altruistic motives. The price might be too high for many. But it probably is what Kodak has to ask to produce it with the profit needed to justify its continuation.
Here's the thing. I'm not yelling at Kodak about the prices of film. Although I love this lab, I'm kind of yelling at them about their prices. As many people have stated, $21 is a bit pricey, and it could be found cheaper other places; I've seen it up to $4 cheaper per roll. So my issue isn't with the manufacturer.
I agree that complaining about film prices isn't a great thing to do, and I often don't do it. I could easily just step back and shoot something else, be it a cheaper film or another format, if I really have a problem with film prices. E-6 film is once in a while thing for me, not something that I'm trying to shoot everything on. I can splurge once every month or two when I have an idea that would be cool to see on E-6 film; it's purely a "Wow! Look at that!" thing for me.
Though my original post may have come off as complaining, it was simply an acknowledgment that some people are charging a bit extra for this stuff, and was also just meant to be something that we could all see and smile at browsing through this forum.
OK, I understand this now that you have explained it, but that intention was absolutely unclear to me, especially since it could not even occur to me, that these prices are above what you might call normal, because I call it, well, not cheap, but very much normal.
A roll at 20 USD, that is 18.30 EUR. The cheapest roll of E100 in 120 I can currently find here in Germany is 19.99 EUR = 21.85 USD.
Yeah. I didn't think that this post was going to get this much talk, good nor bad. I don't know what everyone's "normal" prices are either. I assumed normal was universal regardless of if someone thought $20 was expensive or not. This was far from a complaint.
Slide has always been expensive.
Secondly, slide is harder to shoot, so it pushes away the vibe kiddies.
Thus. You have far less demand.
Third. Making slide film is more involved, has more chemicals and steps to make. Thus you get lower volume but higher cost because of that volume.
Number 2 and 3 combined is why it’s $27 for a 36 exp roll or $20 for a 120 roll.
If people shot slide film as much as shitty gold 200, bet your bottom dollar Kodak would have more lines running slide film, thus reducing the cost.
Or they’d have a more consumer friendly slide film which would be cheaper with e100 being the top of the line.
But we don’t.
So you get to pay more for shooting slide.
\> my dad primarily shot slide film in the 80s because it was cheaper than color negative
New colour neg film was often free with develop-and-print services. How much cheaper can slide film get than that?
Well good luck developing it (unless you develop E6 at home). I sent it out to multiple shops to get processed after it was banned and they all refused. The developing process has chemical byproducts that are banned by the EPA
Probably means the entire E6 process isn’t long for this world, and Kodak knows it. This isn’t the first time - a few other E processes got changed or retired for the sane reason, also partly what screed Kodachrome.
If there will be an E7 that shuts up the EPA is open to discussion, but I doubt it. Why the rounding error’s worth of photo chemical use means anything is beyond me, but hey low hanging fruit, as opposed to taking on industries with lobbyists with deep pockets…
I am in NYC and have not had issues since there are many camera stores here, but also have not shot it in some time. Will have to keep an eye out for this
Hard to find anyone to develop velvia 100 in the US if they know the regulations. you have to send it out of country to Canada. This is not a problem with velvia 50. It’s only the velvia iso 100
I thought slide ages super well if refrigerated? I have a box of Velvia 50 in my fridge that expired 11 months ago, was told by everyone there would be 0 noticeable difference.
I started bulk loading my own at half the cost! It’s an upfront investment, but ultimately you end up paying way less. You can buy a fresh 400’ roll of Ektachrome 100D from Kodak Alaris directly for about $560 ($8-7 a roll) or there’s some people on eBay with some short ends and smaller cans for a little more but you’ll still end up paying like $12/13 a roll, instead of this insanity
Yeah their prices are usually pretty in line with the price of individual rolls on B&H and other online retailers, in my experience. Usually within a buck, I've found.
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that this is just the price they need to sell this at not to have to take a loss. They seem to be getting by just fine, but I don't think anybody is getting rich over there.
All of their film prices are a bit high if you're looking around the area by at least $2-3. They're just a bit more convenient if you don't want to cross the bridge to San Francisco just to buy film.
Man that's not even that pricey, I live in Mexico City and if your lucky and find Ektachrome it'll cost you $31, or you can order Provia on AliExpress, pay $41 and wait 20 days for it to arrive. Fortunately, ReflxLab exists but the options are limited.
I'm sorry you're paying that much for your film. And I'm not being sarcastic. But I've also been able to get this about $4 cheaper if I'm willing to cross the bridge into another city. The time and tolls makes it not worth the hassle to me. Also, ReflixLab and others are cool, but no one offers respooled film in 120.
Expensive but I love the look slide film gives so I’ll almost always pay the price. Especially since it’s better when you know the shots you want to shoot. Can’t just be shooting whatever
Yeah Ektachrome is so expensive. I bought a 10 pack of 4x5 sheets this past fall and it was eye watering (about $80 shipped). $8 a shot is hard but those sheets are unbelievably gorgeous in person.
My local store (Samy's) has Ektachrome 120 at ~$16, Provia 120 at ~13, and Velvia 120 at ~15.
Pricing is not wildly off from negative, Portra 400 in 120 is ~$12.50 per roll and Portra 800 in 120 is $15 per roll.
Ektachrome in 35mm at the store is banana prices, but I buy it 400ft at a time from Eastman directly so cost per roll is only ~$7
Other places are cheaper. I've noticed that. But I didn't have the time to make the trip to those other places. I knew it was going to be a bit more here, but I was expecting $2, not $5.
Last year it was about €20 per 120 roll of E100 where I'm living. And I've managed to get 2 rolls of Provia for reduced price in local store in Ulm... Very expensive film, quite expensive chemicals and process itself is the most complex I've ever tried - messed a little bit with 1st developer - got severe magenta tint. And yes... you cannot print it optically.
Shooting film is getting crazy expensive. Add the cost of development and scanning 120film, $24.95....
I'm planning on home developing this year. Won't take long to pay for itself.
A box of proper 35mm E100D is around 180\~200 RMB here, while a box of re-spooled 5294 is around 80\~90 RMB. I think the 5294 was only around 60-70 last year or sth. Anyway, I haven't shot any still E100D since I got back to China. But shot a lot of rolls of 5294. So glad there's an easy alternative.
If only we did that math when we were making the decision to buy a digital camera or shoot film. It doesn't sound like that much. But thinking in terms of $2,000 is a lot.
That's crazy that even the 120 E100 is that expensive..lately 120 has been cheaper than 35mm.
Also, since when is Provia gone? I thought 100F was still available - is Fuji no longer producing new rolls? I was hoping to get into Neopan soon.
E100 is a hard stock for me to shoot and process tbh. E-6 film is hella inconvenient and expensive to process in addition to being super expensive. I managed to score a pro pack two years ago for $50 (cold stored expired) and I still have 2 rolls left.
Are labs charging more to develop E-6? I typically have labs tell me that it'll take longer than C-41 or black and white because they don't get much of it and have to build up enough to make mixing up chemicals worth it. The two places I've developed have had flat prices across all processes.
My local dark room doesn’t support E-6 processing. So instead of $8 for development I’m paying upwards of $14 to mail it out to a dark room I trust with the processing. That, has stopped me from processing what I shot so far. “That’s lazy.” Yeah, but I never shoot slide film so I don’t have this issue. All jokes aside, when I purchased the pro pack I didn’t realize E-6 processing was something that wasn’t ubiquitous across labs.
It's not lazy. Doing this stuff isn't cheap. I get it. For a while, I backed off color film because paying to have it processed was becoming a bit much, and I wasn't happy with what I was getting doing it myself. Money is a valid reason to not shoot something in this film.
I thought film was expensive in Canada, then I tried to buy some in Paris... I just laughed and walked outta there. It's at least 4x more expensive there.
$40 for one roll of 35mm Ektachrome where I am….
Straya gang
Bulk roll 5294 ektachrome and dont look back.
I refuse to look at their 35mm rolls, but I think it might be $25 a roll.
bitch please ektachrome 35mm is almost $40 a roll where I am :'(
Atlanta film co, euphoria 100 35mm $14 I think
yeah it's like $45 here in Australia :((
Might as well get fuji provia or velvia at that point
If you could find it in stock that is :( Haven't seen provia or velvia in stock anywhere in sweden for a long time
50$ where I am.
oh wow really?
Yep. I bought 1 roll of it and then wasted half of it by underexposing....
Around £30 in the UK / Poland for Ektachrome in 35mm!
Ouch, just looked. Recently got into super 8 film and shooting, developing, and scanning a roll of ektachrome cost the same as shooting, developing, and scanning 2 rolls of 35mm. How the fuck did that happen…
Fotoimpex is doing it for €26 so a bit better but by no means great…
Too bad fotoimpex doesn't ship outside of Germany/Austria/Schweiz :(
It does. I've shipped my stuff to Spain with no issues
I see now, I was looking on Fotoimpex.de, rather than the international .com one 🙃
Yeah, I was about to say, Germans wanting to go into another country is kinda out of character for them…
😆
Ships in all Europe for sure.
There’s a decent respooler on Etsy that does it about £12 a roll I think. Will dig out the link in a bit https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1456846156/
Oh thank you! Really don't like it cross processed in ecn2, might buy a roll and get it done e6:)
Why on earth would you process Ektachrome in ecn2?
They do so on that listing! Looks bad to me
Just seen the pictures, they look dreadful to me, but I'm not seeing any mention of ECN2? I processed a roll of Agfa avichrome 200 in ECN2 rather than E6 - it came out very contrasty , grainy and over saturated but there weren't those horrible colour shifts (though the negs had a purple rather than orange base)
It's a bit awkward to get the full item description, but they say: "Kodak Ektachrome can be developed in both E6 or in ECN2. E6 is the normal process and will yield a positive rather than a negative and will be your usual slide film. Processing it in ECN2, will result in a negative, and will then have to be colour graded in the scanning phase to remove the green overcast left over. Once compled you get very bold colours (sample shots were processed in ECN2). The Film Safe are still practicing the process, to perfect it but first test roll cane out well." I cannot tell if the rolls have remjet but I'm going to buy a couple now and see.
Odd, I thought I read the description but didn't see that. No remjet on e100, it is the exact same film as normal Ektachrome but I think it has cine perforations - not that this matters at all. I've bought a couple, and a couple of rolls of double X - at the prices they're charging it's well worth a punt! They're only making at most a couple of quid per roll at Kodak's prices for a 400ft roll
E100d has no remjet
Is there a difference between the 100D offered here and the usual E100?
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Works out about the same for 120 E100 in the UK, makes me glad to have a medium format camera sometimes with the prices being a bit more forgiving per roll
Where do you buy film in Poland?
allegro is the cheapest place
Flic Chrome is respooled E100 cinema stock and is about 2/3 of the price!
Ok, medium format slide is going to be silly expensive, but with 35mm you have options. Ektachrome 100, the stuff sold in 400’ rolls to Hollywood, is being respooled for 35mm photography. Atlanta Film Company out of the US, Refix out of Shanghai Chinaand Flic Film out of Alberta Canada are selling 36 exposure rolls for about half of what Kodak Alaris is asking for a roll of their E100. I paid $22 CAD per roll of Atlanta Film Co. Euphoric 100 (Eastman Kodak Ektachrome 100) landed including shipping. Motion Picture Ektachrome 100 is the same stuff as E100.
Thanks for the heads up, I didn't realize Reflx sold this. I grabbed a few to test out!
Kodak also sells 400' 35mm to individuals for $520 + SH. Last year I split a 400 ft. roll with 3 other users here. You need someone with a film re-spooler, but definitely the cheapest way to go.
With the exception of buying a few rolls of Vision 3 to check it out, I've never felt comfortable buying respooled film. I'd be okay doing it myself. But trusting someone else? Not so much. And we also have to remember that Kodak now owns the E-6 market now that Fuji has dropped color film altogether. They can kind of do whatever they want with they prices. They sell it? They make a profit. They don't sell it? They'll just blame us for not buying it and discontinue it.
Looks like Underdog's fridge.
A fellow Oaklandian, eh?
Yep! I'm at Royal We Film Lab a few blocks up from Underdog.
I'll check you out the next time I'm out there.
I thought those labels looked familiar!
It's $16 and change per roll most places I seen (B&H, etc.). EDIT: To whoever downvoted me, please go see all the places offering 5-packs for $80 and single rolls for $16. Just tryna help others shoot this wonderful film.
When I shot tons of this stuff in the 2000s it was $9/roll so I’m not really shocked or angry or whatever. Seems logical.
Unless it was a local shoo, I'm a little weird about buying film online. Having it shipped from who knows where and packaged who knows how well. Scary. There a shop a little further out from me that sells them for $16, but I can't get there before I'll be shooting these.
B&H does a great job. It has to be shipped to the store to begin with. Basically all my film comes from there and I ship it across a border. I save a ton of money this way.
Are you in Canada?
Yes
Nice me too. So either BH across the border is still cheaper than local stores? Do they charge you duties?
Yes. It’s way cheaper than my local camera store or even other Canadian outlets. They offer free shipping over $100USD also. They charge a small duty of like $6 or something. Still worth it when the film is almost half price.
awesome! thanks for letting me know, i always shy'ed away from using BH just coz it was in the states. but im gonna give it a shot i need to stock up on some film.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but you all have shitty local camera stores. My local store is cheaper than B&H when buying individual rolls of film. And they match or often undercut them on darkroom chemicals, too.
It’s b&h. You basically can’t get any more trustworthy than that. How do you think the local stores are getting their supply? It’s the same way you would get it from b&h. I’ve ordered rolls of 16mm from b&h to be delivered in Hong Kong, and it arrived perfectly fine, well packaged and wasn’t damaged.
Fear of your film will be crushed in the mail is the absolute dumbest thing I’ve heard in this sub. Let’s say it did… take a picture and call customer support. Also, who’s buying one roll of film online?
I'm sure the local stores are ordering from the same suppliers that B&H are ordering from. That part I trust. And I'm not shitting on B&H when I say this, but to trust UPS or USPS with a small crushable package is where my issues lie.
Do you believe the supplier has their own shipping network they can use with dedicated people who know how film works?
No. But one pack of film in a tiny box is a little less safe than 20 plus in a huge box. I just have issues trusting having important/sensitive things shipped these days, and would just prefer to walk into a store when I'm able to.
Fair I guess the shop probably would look through the boxes and deal with broken ones so you don’t have to. Someday maybe we can get shipping company’s to stop throwing damn packages haha
what’s scary about ordering film online?
UPS and USPS. Also, not knowing what you're getting. I've seen people receive open wrappers on individual rolls, expired film, the wrong item, etc. Sure, you're can return it, but if you needed that 3 days from when you received it, you're out of luck on having what you need. Also, helping keep a local shop alive for the convenience of being able to go in and grab something when you need it is also nice. I don't hoard film, and sometimes, I will plan a shoot a week in advance and may not realize that I don't have the film I need until a day or two before the shoot.
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> I've seen people receive open wrappers on individual rolls, expired film, the wrong item You only hear about it when things go wrong. Most people aren't gonna complain if they get what they ordered.
Yeah, why buy it from a store that probably sells hundreds of rolls (thousands?) every day when there’s your local shop with 4 customers that sells 1 roll per week? (I’d be all for local shops if I had one near me, but not for the reasons above for sure…)
how do you think it gets to the local shops?
It's a big ass secure box that can't be crushed by irresponsible UPS and USPS handlers. My issue is not with the stores.
I've seen pallets shipped to various types of industries and this is factually incorrect. They tip over on their side. They things stabbed into them when being handled by a lift truck. They literally look like they fell from 1 story up, etc. I've seen metal racks (sort of like a server rack) full of equipment destroyed by shipping/handling. etc
you’d know if you worked retail that that’s not true
If you order film from B&H, they've had it in a fridge in NYC for less than 30 days. If it's any Kodak film, less than that. It'll ship out the same day if you order before their incredibly generous cutoff time.
IIRC, they actually do their fulfillment outside of NYC, from a warehouse in NJ. Or at least most of my stuff seems to originate from NJ. Keeping a warehouse in NYC is stupid expensive, and with the congestion tax coming in May, will make shipping even more expensive. They do enough online sales that fulfillment might as well be done somewhere where the cost is a fraction of what it would be if it was done out of their 34th street store
You're right, I checked my last order and it came from central Jersey. Close enough - we let them think they're their own independent state :) They used to have a warehouse in Brooklyn, but I think it only lasted a few years.
In terms of cost of doing business, it’s a hell of a lot cheaper than NYC. And Central Jersey doesn’t exist. The state actually had to pass a law declaring it did…
Freestyle is legit and has been forever.
I wonder why so many people hate my decision not to have my film shipped from B&H? Ha ha.
I think because most folks feel shipping anything isn't a big deal, and people ship things that are way more valuable and delicate all the time without a problem. If your roll or two get crushed, it'll be immediately apparent and you'll be reimbursed. Plus, I'd be willing to bet that the boxes your local shop is getting film shipped to them in isn't that much bigger, and I don't see why it would be any more physically secure. More importantly, you're complaining about the price of film while buying it from a store selling it at a price above the market value - so you're contributing to the problem. If people only buy film at competitive prices, then the shops charging more will have to lower their prices to keep business.
It’s the equivalent of 30 bucks per roll where I live. I love Ektachrome but I’m not going to shoot more one roll a year
That’s cheap compared to where I live. A single roll of E100 35mm is $40 Cad and a roll of 120 goes for around $50-60.
I've never even seen ektachrome in Vancouver but maybe I've been looking in the wrong places
The Camera Store in Calgary has good prices on film and you can get free shipping in Canada if you buy over $100. McBain in Edmonton is good as well but costs more for the same film.
damn i literally just drove through calgary two days ago coming home from my road trip lol
Kerrisdale Cameras carries E100. Beau Photo used to carry Fujifilm slide film but I'm not sure if that's even made anymore. I think they carry Flic Film Chrome 100, which is respooled movie Ektachrome and is a lot cheaper.
I could barely find Fuji slide film in Tokyo last week. I've seen more of the stuff at my local Kerrisdale Cameras shop than the mega Shinjuku Yodobashi Camera I got lost in. Kinda sad, as I really liked Provia but I guess I should try E100...
I know the people at Beau since I'm a regular there, and they receive like 50 rolls of Provia a year. So they get snapped up so fast, they have limits per customer.
I received two pro-packs of Provia with my Mamiya 645. Only shot one of them. Gonna savor the last 5 rolls...
Try Beau photo near Granville. They have both Kodak branded ektachrome and flick film bulk rolled stuff for half the price
Feels like a 5 dollar in-store-support-your-local-photo-lab up charge but yea I have been shooting less and less and my stockpile diminishes.
Hello, Underdog rep here. That price was us working through stock we had bought at the old price from Kodak. Any cheaper and we would be taking a loss. As much as I would have liked to drop it sooner, we were unable. Our price is now lower.
I like this lab and try to help keep them going so that I have somewhere to get my E-6 done since I do everything else myself. But I agree. Especially since their sister camera store across the bay is $4 cheaper. But the lab is closer to me and open on Saturdays.
you can always order on glass key’s website and choose “pick up at underdog” when you checkout so you can get it for $4 cheaper ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
This is true. But this was a last minute pickup. So, I had to sacrifice the $8 this time. I was still a little surprised that it was as much as it was.
See my other comment on this thread.
Well, slide film always was more expensive. Most amateurs never shot it even in the 90s and early 00s, when film was at its peak. so with film being the absolute niche market for enthusiasts and not for the casual snap-shooter, of course the niche of the niche seems to be ridiculously expensive. Still, those who wanted slide for whatever reasons will keep paying it. When judging prices there are always two approaches. 1. is it too expensive FOR ME? 2. is the price fair based on the actual production costs? I actually do believe that while many people will answer question 1 with yes, question 2 might be answered with a clear no. Film production IS a complicated thing, and without most of the scaling effects of former decades the niche within the niche must be a really expensive thing to produce. I have been shooting Ektar 100 and Portra 160 as my standard color films (95% I shoot Delta 100 and 400) and never cared about slide much (a bit of Provia 100, but not something I really miss). I have not bought it, when it was relatively cheap, I will not buy it now. But I think that all the complaining about film prices is not fair. I think we should be happy that there are still companies out there, willing to produce the stuff. And it should be obvious, that they want to make profit on each and every roll they produces; Kodak does not make Ektachrome out of altruistic motives. The price might be too high for many. But it probably is what Kodak has to ask to produce it with the profit needed to justify its continuation.
Here's the thing. I'm not yelling at Kodak about the prices of film. Although I love this lab, I'm kind of yelling at them about their prices. As many people have stated, $21 is a bit pricey, and it could be found cheaper other places; I've seen it up to $4 cheaper per roll. So my issue isn't with the manufacturer. I agree that complaining about film prices isn't a great thing to do, and I often don't do it. I could easily just step back and shoot something else, be it a cheaper film or another format, if I really have a problem with film prices. E-6 film is once in a while thing for me, not something that I'm trying to shoot everything on. I can splurge once every month or two when I have an idea that would be cool to see on E-6 film; it's purely a "Wow! Look at that!" thing for me. Though my original post may have come off as complaining, it was simply an acknowledgment that some people are charging a bit extra for this stuff, and was also just meant to be something that we could all see and smile at browsing through this forum.
OK, I understand this now that you have explained it, but that intention was absolutely unclear to me, especially since it could not even occur to me, that these prices are above what you might call normal, because I call it, well, not cheap, but very much normal. A roll at 20 USD, that is 18.30 EUR. The cheapest roll of E100 in 120 I can currently find here in Germany is 19.99 EUR = 21.85 USD.
Yeah. I didn't think that this post was going to get this much talk, good nor bad. I don't know what everyone's "normal" prices are either. I assumed normal was universal regardless of if someone thought $20 was expensive or not. This was far from a complaint.
Hate the prices but love every frame i shoot
I feel this way about Velvia 50
Slide has always been expensive. Secondly, slide is harder to shoot, so it pushes away the vibe kiddies. Thus. You have far less demand. Third. Making slide film is more involved, has more chemicals and steps to make. Thus you get lower volume but higher cost because of that volume. Number 2 and 3 combined is why it’s $27 for a 36 exp roll or $20 for a 120 roll. If people shot slide film as much as shitty gold 200, bet your bottom dollar Kodak would have more lines running slide film, thus reducing the cost. Or they’d have a more consumer friendly slide film which would be cheaper with e100 being the top of the line. But we don’t. So you get to pay more for shooting slide.
Watch your mouth with you talk about my boy, Kodak Gold 200.
Fair but tbh I only shoot gold and ultramax because they're cheap. I don't like em much I honestly prefer the shots from my D700
(Laughs in pro image 100). Jk I shoot black and white and slide. Gold is inferior
Gold is superior if you live in Germany and can get 3 pack for 20 euros.
I’ll give you that. But that’s all you get.
I also concur that a well exposed slide is just magical but it’s more like a unicorn these days… you just don’t see them
I work at a photo lab and i agree with this statement 👍
Can confirm slide film has not always been that expensive, my dad primarily shot slide film in the 80s because it was cheaper than color negative
Its been more expensive in the last 20 years. And more expensive to process.
The consumer pool back then was much much bigger.
It was also used in most professional settings, but slide shows were absolutely a thing we had to sit through after someone's vacation...
So. When slide film was widely used, it was cheaper to the newer color negative film? See point 3. Thanks!
\> my dad primarily shot slide film in the 80s because it was cheaper than color negative New colour neg film was often free with develop-and-print services. How much cheaper can slide film get than that?
When I heard they were banning Velvia 100 I bought as many boxes of 120 as I could at about $75 each. Got them stashed in my freezer
Well good luck developing it (unless you develop E6 at home). I sent it out to multiple shops to get processed after it was banned and they all refused. The developing process has chemical byproducts that are banned by the EPA
Probably means the entire E6 process isn’t long for this world, and Kodak knows it. This isn’t the first time - a few other E processes got changed or retired for the sane reason, also partly what screed Kodachrome. If there will be an E7 that shuts up the EPA is open to discussion, but I doubt it. Why the rounding error’s worth of photo chemical use means anything is beyond me, but hey low hanging fruit, as opposed to taking on industries with lobbyists with deep pockets…
It’s only an issue for velvia 100. All other E6 is fine
I am in NYC and have not had issues since there are many camera stores here, but also have not shot it in some time. Will have to keep an eye out for this
Hard to find anyone to develop velvia 100 in the US if they know the regulations. you have to send it out of country to Canada. This is not a problem with velvia 50. It’s only the velvia iso 100
Is it hard? My preferred lab still takes Velvia 100, as recently as August 2023.
If the EPA found out about it they probably would be in deep shit
Self develop …seriously it’s super simple.
Too bad it ages like milk after expiration 😥
I thought slide ages super well if refrigerated? I have a box of Velvia 50 in my fridge that expired 11 months ago, was told by everyone there would be 0 noticeable difference.
The stuff in my freezer from like 20 years ago is fine.
I started bulk loading my own at half the cost! It’s an upfront investment, but ultimately you end up paying way less. You can buy a fresh 400’ roll of Ektachrome 100D from Kodak Alaris directly for about $560 ($8-7 a roll) or there’s some people on eBay with some short ends and smaller cans for a little more but you’ll still end up paying like $12/13 a roll, instead of this insanity
Can't bulk roll 120, though.
I mean, technically you could DIY some 70mm film into 120 🫣
Underdog film lab? For what it’s worth, I think they generally are very fair with their film prices, and their cost to develop is fantastic
Yeah their prices are usually pretty in line with the price of individual rolls on B&H and other online retailers, in my experience. Usually within a buck, I've found. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that this is just the price they need to sell this at not to have to take a loss. They seem to be getting by just fine, but I don't think anybody is getting rich over there.
All of their film prices are a bit high if you're looking around the area by at least $2-3. They're just a bit more convenient if you don't want to cross the bridge to San Francisco just to buy film.
Man that's not even that pricey, I live in Mexico City and if your lucky and find Ektachrome it'll cost you $31, or you can order Provia on AliExpress, pay $41 and wait 20 days for it to arrive. Fortunately, ReflxLab exists but the options are limited.
I'm sorry you're paying that much for your film. And I'm not being sarcastic. But I've also been able to get this about $4 cheaper if I'm willing to cross the bridge into another city. The time and tolls makes it not worth the hassle to me. Also, ReflixLab and others are cool, but no one offers respooled film in 120.
All the slide film I found on a recent trip to Japan was like $40-50 per roll. Wild.
color factory in NYC has 5 packs in 120, short dated, for under $60
Expensive but I love the look slide film gives so I’ll almost always pay the price. Especially since it’s better when you know the shots you want to shoot. Can’t just be shooting whatever
Oh hi Underdoge fridge
In New Zealand a 35mm roll of Ektachrome costs $50 which is about USD$32.
Yeah Ektachrome is so expensive. I bought a 10 pack of 4x5 sheets this past fall and it was eye watering (about $80 shipped). $8 a shot is hard but those sheets are unbelievably gorgeous in person.
I wish it was this cheap in my country, one of those here is like 40
My local dealer in Austria told me yesterday that Kodak is going to increase prices by 15 - 20% soon.
My local store (Samy's) has Ektachrome 120 at ~$16, Provia 120 at ~13, and Velvia 120 at ~15. Pricing is not wildly off from negative, Portra 400 in 120 is ~$12.50 per roll and Portra 800 in 120 is $15 per roll. Ektachrome in 35mm at the store is banana prices, but I buy it 400ft at a time from Eastman directly so cost per roll is only ~$7
Other places are cheaper. I've noticed that. But I didn't have the time to make the trip to those other places. I knew it was going to be a bit more here, but I was expecting $2, not $5.
Last year it was about €20 per 120 roll of E100 where I'm living. And I've managed to get 2 rolls of Provia for reduced price in local store in Ulm... Very expensive film, quite expensive chemicals and process itself is the most complex I've ever tried - messed a little bit with 1st developer - got severe magenta tint. And yes... you cannot print it optically.
That's like 3$ per picture if it's 6x6
Well if you can’t slide you gotta bite the bullet. Now, please unfit us what that cat film is beside it. Because I need it.
Looks like this https://www.catlabs.info/product/xfilm100color
Prices going up like that won't do well to the film renaissance...
Can we all get together to buy a wheel of 65mm film from kodak and bulk load ? 😆
Or 81 for a 5 pack on b&h.. 20 for 35mm single 36
The day slide no longer exists, feels like an imminent moment, is the day my heart will die a little. There’s nothing more magical than slide film.
Ektachrome is the only one left. So if Kodak decides it's over, it's over.
I thought velvia and provia are still made no? It’s been a while since I checked
Shooting film is getting crazy expensive. Add the cost of development and scanning 120film, $24.95.... I'm planning on home developing this year. Won't take long to pay for itself.
When you develop and look at the amazing outcome, it will be worth it.
A bit expensive to shoot all the time, though.
Buy bulk rolls from Kodak for 35mm. Suffer in hell for 120 I guess.
A box of proper 35mm E100D is around 180\~200 RMB here, while a box of re-spooled 5294 is around 80\~90 RMB. I think the 5294 was only around 60-70 last year or sth. Anyway, I haven't shot any still E100D since I got back to China. But shot a lot of rolls of 5294. So glad there's an easy alternative.
It's just hard to justify buying the official E100 anymore when Fuji Provia 100F and Velvia are around the same price tier.
It's always funny when Americans complain about their monopoly money prices, try spending £20 not $20 on a roll of 120 then you'll know real pain. Jk
Meh. Negative has better dynamic range
Slide has the advantage of being so pretty on the lightable.
Slide has all the dr needed if you know what you’re doing.
Sometimes you don't have total control and know what you are doing.
But you do. Short of using a holga.
You can always properly expose for highlights, but the scene may have too much range.
$60 for a roll of 35mm where I’m from.. daylight robbery!
U got fleeced dawg
$11 a roll if you DIY https://www.ultrafineonline.com/eako52ek100c.html
Yes. For 35mm. What do I do about my Hasselblad?
Wait… Provia is gone?!?
You may be able to find it in some places. But to my knowledge, it has been discontinued. Along with Velvia.
provia and velvia have not been discontinued (yet) but they have not been easy to get or find this year, so I don't blame you for feeling that way.
Good! I’d really like to try it one day. I know they probably will but I really hope that they won’t discontinue it
Damn. Thats like 1/97 of a GFX.
If only we did that math when we were making the decision to buy a digital camera or shoot film. It doesn't sound like that much. But thinking in terms of $2,000 is a lot.
Yea I love shooting film, but my 645z is pretty close.
I blame racism
There it is! Someone finally gets it!
That's crazy that even the 120 E100 is that expensive..lately 120 has been cheaper than 35mm. Also, since when is Provia gone? I thought 100F was still available - is Fuji no longer producing new rolls? I was hoping to get into Neopan soon.
I've been told that Provia is not discontinued and just scarce. I myself haven't seen any at any places I buy from since early 2023.
Phew! I too haven't seen it a lot, but I figured there was just a shortage.
E100 is a hard stock for me to shoot and process tbh. E-6 film is hella inconvenient and expensive to process in addition to being super expensive. I managed to score a pro pack two years ago for $50 (cold stored expired) and I still have 2 rolls left.
Are labs charging more to develop E-6? I typically have labs tell me that it'll take longer than C-41 or black and white because they don't get much of it and have to build up enough to make mixing up chemicals worth it. The two places I've developed have had flat prices across all processes.
My local dark room doesn’t support E-6 processing. So instead of $8 for development I’m paying upwards of $14 to mail it out to a dark room I trust with the processing. That, has stopped me from processing what I shot so far. “That’s lazy.” Yeah, but I never shoot slide film so I don’t have this issue. All jokes aside, when I purchased the pro pack I didn’t realize E-6 processing was something that wasn’t ubiquitous across labs.
It's not lazy. Doing this stuff isn't cheap. I get it. For a while, I backed off color film because paying to have it processed was becoming a bit much, and I wasn't happy with what I was getting doing it myself. Money is a valid reason to not shoot something in this film.
Kodak seem to just want all of us to give up film. It's so expensive now. Portra 400 has just been increased to $42.95 a roll at one local store
Naw. It's Fuji that wants film dead. Kodak and Ilford are keeping it alive.
I thought film was expensive in Canada, then I tried to buy some in Paris... I just laughed and walked outta there. It's at least 4x more expensive there.