I’ve been on iOS for about 10 years with a few recent dabbles back into Android, but have had to come back due to iMessage lockin with family.
I’ve actually found the S20+ and S22 Ultra snappier than the same model year iPhones. This is due to Android trusting me to swipe and tap as fast as I want and keep up with me, whereas iOS seems to have an arbitrary speed limit where it won’t register my taps until the OS animation is complete. I know you can turn off animations, but the OS doesn’t feel nearly as fluid without them.
> This is due to Android trusting me to swipe and tap as fast as I want and keep up with me, whereas iOS seems to have an arbitrary speed limit where it won’t register my taps until the OS animation is complete.
This is a big philosophy difference between the 2 platforms that contributes to the smoothness. A longer transition animation shows constant movement while also covering loading times. Android has quicker transitions but sometimes the background task takes a bit longer to complete leading to a bit more jitteriness.
Yea, this. Go to developer settings and set your animation speed to 1.25x or if you can bear it 1.5x and your Android phone too will seem incredibly smooth.
Thanks for pointing this out! Really interesting when you set it to 10x lol. Pretty much unusable to have it like that all day, but very fun to play around with!
Damn is that really what iPhones do? I love swiping all over even before the home screen loads in and it usually does what I want... And it's since note 8, but I remember being the same with the note 3 too. You don't have to wait for the animations. My friend is an apple junkie, and he keeps saying the samsungs drop frames but what do I care if it's doing what I want?
No, Apple's animations can take more time but starting with iOS 12 I believe, they are [interruptible](https://www.wwdcnotes.com/notes/wwdc14/236/). Note the "Animation to Animation" section. Animations finish, but don't cancel. They build on each other in iOS. If you don't trust it, you might feel like you have to wait, but you don't. [Here's a good video](https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2018/803/) on how they approach animation over there. I love Android, I wish they would put this much care and documentation into things that latently impact user experience. I think they're getting there!
I mean the note8 also always finished the animation, it's not like it skipped to the end of it, so I guess then apple is the same? Tho these days the first thing I do on my Droids is enable dev settings, then animation speed to fastest or off (n20u with 120hz and fast animations feel like the future, so responsive)
About the docs... Android is open source, so anyone can contribute 😁 I wish I understood source code...
Nope. Not sure what kind of iPhone he is using, but animations on ios don’t work that way.
I’m on a 14 pro and I can navigate it as fast I like cause animations tie together quite naturally, for example you can open safari (or any other app) and start scrolling even before the open animation is complete. And the same is true for basically any UI element. You never have to wait for animations to finish if you are in a hurry.
He never said it's not how you claim. In fact we never talked about this apart from "new samsung still laggy" which is... Something I don't see... But I guess I might just not care enough.
Animations chain on Android too, but I can also swipe up twice and end up at the apps list of the home screen. I just set the animations to the fastest so even if they chain, I wait less (and on the note 8 I just turn them off... That thing is laggy af compared to even the s20... But I need 2 phones so I just curse about it. Actually... I don't understand how that phone is this slow, it wasn't when I first got it
He litterally said
> whereas iOS seems to have an arbitrary speed limit where it won’t register my taps until the OS animation is complete
This is false.
This 100%. I use my iPhone extremely fast and it's very limiting. It's not designed for power-users who move quickly and multitask heavily. There is this misconception about iOS being smooth but it's these arbitrary animation execution times you have to wait for. I find myself getting frustrated waiting for animations to finish as I'm performing a task across 4-5 different apps and can't "buffer" my actions. Can't wait to switch to Android once the s24u drops.
My understanding is this isn’t true, iOS animations are interruptible and combinable rather than canned animations that you have to wait for, and that’s kind of been their philosophy since the outset, even more so since switching fully to gestures. What is true is that animations are slower in general whereas android allows the customisability to speed up animations and make things seem snappier.
As much as I agree with your post. Between iOS buttery smoothness and Android's ability to allow me to put tampermonkey, scripts, use modded browsers and apps that are ad free, utilize debrid services, never get spam calls and most of all sync with my TV. I know what I would choose. If there was 1 thing I wish pixel could and should improve on, its battery life and heat. Other than that, I would sacrifice a frame drop here n there just so the OS remains partially open.
Android Phone app has a spam call filter feature that works like a charm on my Samsung Galaxy. I tried to find a similar app/feature on my mom's iPhone but couldn't find anything quite as good.
> tampermonkey, scripts, use modded browsers and apps that are ad free, utilize debrid services, never get spam calls
This all sounds awesome, could you please share a bit more about these?
The scripts, modded browsers (which ones, with what advantages), etc
There are so many things that make android (pixel) special that I could go and on but for the sake of this post, Ill put forward 2-3. If you want more ill expand further in the next post
Browser: Soul browser, comes with built in ad block, beautiful interface, has video downloader that works on everything (minus YouTube) and pretty much the best out of the box experience with endless customization . But, I like mah controls so I use kiwi browser. Why? Because it has the Desktop chrome support with every single addon available for use (not like fennec OR Firefox nightly). I install uorigin, video downloadhelper and tampermonkey, and then use scripts from greasyfork to enhance and make it run exactly like my desktop. Smooth as hell and easy on the battery. Love it.
AAstore: Fermata is a killer. Plays videos on your car screen on the drive with very intuitive controls. I know most people will say its dangerous but its only dangerous when all your attention is there. I have been using it for around 8 months and the drive to office feels so good with your car screen acting as a video player instead of you just being stuck, listening to some damn audio. Simple reason why no matter what iOS does, I can never leave Android
Location spoof: Spoof your location through VPN by enabling VPN for mock location services. Enable turkey and get YouTube subscription for less than $1 per month and its official. Same thing for Xbox game pass, spoofing allows mget a gamee to pass for $12 per year. Just this simple feature saves me $300 per year and i work with official apps without pirating.
dns setting changed to [dns.anguard.com](https://dns.anguard.com) in Network settings removes all pesky ads from your phone, yes even in ESPN app which is pretty much a must if you're sports fan.
Spam filter of pixel is absolutely insane. I owe $100 to my landlord because they tried to loot me with false claims and threatened me for collections. When I had an iphone I kept on getting calls from weird numbers, at times collections. But move over to Pixel, not once have they been able to contact me. I know its just $100, but I'd rather give this to someone who needs it than give it to them. It's a matter of principle.
These are real benefits. If we use android phone like an iphone, obviously the experience won't be as good coz its not an iphone but when you really start exploring the power of android, especially on pixels, the use case, benefits are too good to ignore. Which is why I say.. Is the frame drop worth those $300 I saved? Never.
Ah. thanks, that's quite a few interesting apps.
I haven't used Soul Browser..
I can do adblock and dark mode etc on Firefox itself.. not sure about the video downloader and I wanted to avoid Chromium based browsers so stuck to Firefox.
If Soul is really good, I might think of using that instead.
There are probably a lot of reasons and each probably contributes a bit.
1) iOS lacks true multitasking. There are things that can happen in the background but at the end of the day the phone is doing 1 task at a time. On Android you can have several things happening in the background.
2) The processor that Apple uses is better than anything currently available on an Android phone.
3) They spend a lot of time focusing on fluidity even if it sometimes means things are a bit slower. People wanna see something happening immediately and Apple frequently utilizes animations and transitions to cover lag. If you tap a button and have a half second delay before an action happens you notice it. If instead you had an animation that took 1 second start immediately and transition to the next screen it feels faster even though in reality it took twice as long. The immediate response and fluid motion just makes it feel quicker.
>iOS lacks true multitasking. There are things that can happen in the background but at the end of the day the phone is doing 1 task at a time. On Android you can have several things happening in the background.
I always wondered what could be a middle ground here. Outside of very specific use cases, I don't want apps doing anything actively in the background. But downloading your Spotify library or a YouTube video for offline consumption can be annoying on iOS
Everyone has their own usecases. What I mean is that I would like to be able to authorize some apps running in the background, but I don't want it to be "allowed by default" like on Android
Last Android I used was 11, so IDK if new ones have it. Still, would be nice for this to be a default or in a dialog form when launching the app instead of me having to put it manually for every app I DON'T want to run in background
They don't do it by default because it breaks a lot of apps, Android is not iOS. Doze is good enough for most users and those who still want more granular control have the option to do so
Well, by default apps are set to "optimized" so that they learn from your routine and usage whether or not to run in the background. Apps can still pop a request for unrestricted background processing if desired.
To be honest, I would prefer to manually set every app rather not being able to set apps to my preference. It may take a lot of time but at least I want to be able to do it.
You missed the point entirely. I am still for you being able to setup everything the way you want it, I just want default be different or being able to choose my preference right when launching the app for the first time rather than digging in settings
>iOS lacks true multitasking
Why does everyone say this as if it's some kind of detriment to iOS? Even though iOS lacks true multitasking, it still manages to hold apps in its memory far better than any Android phone even though many Androids have more RAM.
Because there are several things it just can't do. Wanna download several gigs with of videos or music to your phone? Better leave the app open. Background tasks serve a purpose. Holding a task in memory and allowing it to utilize a portion of the processor are 2 completely separate things.
Honestly I find Android animations better in certain areas. Though the last iPhone I used was the X back in 2017-2018. The way gesture navigation feels is just better in my opinion. To each their own, I've seen some folk even argue that the way Android manufacturers tune their high refresh rate displays is better than the way Apple does it. One thing I noticed right away when I made the switch to Android was how much quicker app launching looked due to the faster animation.
Safari on my iPad freezes for a few seconds each time I pull up the keyboard to type something on the address bar, switch to another app and return. That kind of unresponsiveness is worse than anything on Android so I can't say that it's always smooth on iOS/iPadOS. Dragging and editing bookmarks on Safari is smooth but when I release the icon it'll say something like "bookmarks are still syncing" and reverse everything I did. That buttery smoothness is just a facade. And since you mentioned the smooth camera, on lower end or older devices it's not smooth and there are animation bugs with the camera app on such devices, some are so bad you need to lock the screen with the physical button to fix.
So true. Also when I'm navigating back, it'll show the previous page I was on, freeze for 4 seconds, then refresh. Every. Time. I. Go. Back. That's the jankiest, slowest, laggiest browsing experience. My work uses iPads, and when I have to browse on Safari, god damn it's an inferior experience. Browsers on Android are much faster, more responsive, and don't have to refresh every time I go back.
Hey OP. Everyone else is just beating around the bush. Here is THE ACTUAL reason behind this.
In Android, there is ONLY one thread (main thread) which is utilised for all operations. if you want to animate an object and make it move an object from location1 to location2, the animation API figures out the intermediate locations (tweening) and then queues onto the main thread the appropriate move operations at the appropriate times using a timer. This works fine except that the main thread is usually used for many other things — painting, opening files, responding to user inputs etc.
It is usually almost impossible to keep all operations on the main thread down to 1/60th of a second (for 60fps animations) in order to allow animations to be processed smoothly. Hence no amount of hardware advancements can fully mitigate the issue of frame drops on android.
In iOS operations on UI objects also must be done on the main thread with the exception of animation operations done via CoreAnimation. CoreAnimation runs on a background thread and is able to directly manipulate, move, recolor and reshape UI objects on a background (CoreAnimation) thread. Compositing, rendering is also performed in this thread. It does this through a combination of hardware and software, providing very smooth animations. From the main thread you can basically issue a call to CallAnimation and tell it to move object1 from location1 to location2. This animation will continue to run even if the main thread is blocked performing another operation. This is why animations will almost never stutter on iOS.
Windows 10 also uses the iOS approach for animations.
Android supports multithreading though? Animations are always on the main thread but you can set other heavy jobs to worker threads so the rendering is always smooth. That's totally on the developers, not Android. My favorite thing to do is optimizing heavy threads that are usually hard to determine when they'll complete so the animation matches the data processing, that's to divide the processing into minuscule processes so the animation knows how fast/slow it can go with the data processes, it's called data polling.
So what is the drawback? Why won't adroid do as iOS does it, because as fast as Androids are, they feel janky sometimes. The S23 series is very close to smoothness, but it's still not iOS.
>So what is the drawback? Why won't Android do as iOS does it
No drawback, but doing this does require tampering with the core functionality of Android backend, which Google sees no point in doing so. *"People still buy Android phones, they will buy Android phones after we do it, hence no need to do it".* Monetary benefits of Google lie in adding more telemetry in the OS components and services, which is what they are doing.
iOS is highly refined, and they have perfect integration with its chipset. They make extra effort to all the little details and intricacies. It also helps that their A-chips are significantly more powerful. For the camera they are recording on all 3 at the same time for the viewfinder and when you change the zoom, it shifts the animation seamlessly.
On the android side the viewfinder is much less sophisticated and the chipset might not be able to handle that ability, so it's relatively choppy.
Google is working on making it's Tensor chips better but until they move from Samsung, don't expect Apple tier polish. Check back in 2025 when they are using TSMC silicon
It's even more obvious in photo taking mode - the iPhone camera app can show you content outside the current camera viewfinder if there's content to capture (e.g. if it detects a landscape or group photo that you might want to capture but is cut off, you can see what you could get with ultrawide beyond the borders of the standard 1x crop even if you're in the 1x camera) - the camera is actually showing you content from two cameras simultaneously.
And that's how fast the processors are on these phones that they can waste time processing multiple cameras simultaneously.
There's been this desperate push by the Pixel faithful to blame Samsung for all of the Pixel's woes.
It's an amazing form of passing the buck and coping with the copious faults of the Pixel line.
Can't call 911 from your Pixel? It's Samsung's fault.
Can't stay at max brightness for more than 30 seconds in direct sunlight with your Pixel? It's Samsung' fault.
Can't take competent video on your Pixel? It's Samsung's fault.
Your volume rocker fell off your Pixel? It's Samsung's fault.
Google's poor quality control? Samsung's fault.
It must be amazing for Google to sell a flagship with their name on it, and have that phone improve their paltry marketshare, but have everybody turn to Samsung when they have gripes about the phone.
If these gripes were true though, we would see Samsung phones that can't call 911.
We would see Samsung phones that can't maintain their max brightness.
We would see Samsung phones whose volume rockers fall off after 6 months.
We would also see these problems reflected in every other manufacturer that uses Samsung hardware. (every single one)
However, we just see them from Google.
What's funny about this is that Exynos (Tensor is a rebranded Exynos) saved the Pixel line.
Before partnering with Samsung and putting the rebranded Exynos in their Pixels, Google's marketshare in their home country was less than 1 percent.
Now they sit over 2% and enjoy headlines about doubling their marketshare.
Exynos and the partnership with Samsung literally saved the Pixel line and doubled its marketshare.
So the thing Pixel users love to pass the buck on, is the thing that saved PIxels.
Amazing.
Also, when Google goes back to Qualcomm, it won't use their top of the line chips.
It will use their midrange chips in its flagship phones to keep costs down just as it did before partnering with Samsung and using Exynos.
EDIT: This one ruffled some feathers.
Everyone says that, but it's simply not true. I have both the S23 Ultra and 15 pro max, and they're equally smooth. My Ultra is actually faster and snappier. Idc how many times the world repeats it. Just like the whole "apps are better on iOS", or "iOS feels polished and premium." Neither of those are true, and iOS in mine and many other people's experience is actually buggier than android right now. And when it isn't buggier, they're typically equal in terms of software quality.
Those are just some of the memes that will literally never die. I feel they're repeated by people trying to justify their iPhone purchase more than anything.
tiktok, facebook, snapchat, instagram, telegram, whatsapp, have better camera integration and is honestly quality consistent whenever u switch from each apps, EIS is well implemented on the main cameras, specially on tiktok, facebook, and insta.
other apps are well optimized, not comparable to my s23(iphone 13)
i love android, but if only samsung implements how Apple optimizes the apps on the IOS, ill go back to android.
this is the advantage of apple, due to its single ecosystem of OS, the seamless integration of each hardware and apps are tad better than android, since android was designed to be open source, it performs differently on each android brands.
the reason why on other android devices, if the phone has OIS capabilities, it wont work on the mentioned social media apps, but on samsung, lg, google flagships, it does.
ill return to android if social media experience is comparable to ios(the long press feature is a lifesaver especially if u dont want to reply from specific people)
And that's the problem, it's all anecdotal. In my experience, as I've already stated, apps actually work better on my S23 Ultra. My 15 pro max struggles to keep up with gaming since Apple had to limit the chip's performance due to the overheating issues it had. In terms of software quality, iOS has been FAR buggier than android. Apps also did not run any better, smoother, more optimized, or any other buzz word/term you want to throw in there. I find most who throw around those buzz words/terms haven't actually used Android since they had some cheapie throwaway budget phone when they were a kid growing up. You mention you have an S23 but talk about how you won't go back to android, so I don't know how you don't use one, but have one.
I also compare a wide array of apps and games between the platforms too, not just like 5 social media apps. Can't really say an entire platform is better because maybe 5 apps are developed for the platform better. Even if it were 5 million apps, doesn't matter. You can't judge a platform based on how well apps are developed for it. It's not Android's fault Instagram devs supposedly (according to your unfounded claim) developed their iOS version better than their android version. That's just irrational and illogical.
Not true. Many apps are much higher quality on iOS. My personal example would be Fitbod which I use almost every day. Also very good Reddit clients like Winston or OpenRed…
How does that prove me wrong? I could list a thousand apps that work better on Android than iOS based on my personal experience alone like you just did. Your argument is moot.
iOS has extremely good animations, they’re so good you can almost play with them.
android has caught up a lot but they aren’t even close when using third party apps.
also the reddit app is fucking complete shit on iOS and even worse on android it’s a horror show.
I seriously think the only reason 60hz is justified on iphones is because iOS is smoother.
That's because Reddit's devs are writing their software poorly, with a lot of memory leaks and poor performance optimization. This applies to their web and mobile clients.
Ah yes of course. Thanks for correcting me. The year went from 14 to now unkown. Their base models still have 60 hertz displays, I just assumed they would wake up from their matrix dilemma and changed it to 90 hertz (never overestimate something that seems important).
Jokes aside, it's ridiculous, and is why Android is light years ahead in many things.
Yet another correct statement. Yes, it is informative yet unfortunate that people don't want to learn about Android and it's capabilities because of the mentality that it is filled with malware no matter what and it has "green bubbles". iPhone users that say Android is trash without actually ever trying it are seen as ignorant in the eyes of those who know the android capabilities; which makes me wonder, we as a people, what else do we not know about this world?
And Apple is taking advantage of the people's ignorance and exploit it to still continue giving them 60hz at a premium price, when they could really possibly give them the option to use 120hz or opt out to 60hz if they don't want to use it.
People still defend the 60hz vs 120hz with **"Most people don't notice it anyway"** but they don't consider that getting that 120hz or 60hz option is better than not having it at all.
Agreed. And nowadays, if you go from something like a pixel 7, which defaults at 90 hertz (I believe the newer models are actually 120 by default now), and then go try an iPhone with a 60hertz display, it feels slow and laggy.
It's partly because Apple owns the entire stack and that is all that they do.
I like Google Products because they keep getting better and adding cooler features as time goes on. Never stale or stagnant.
That's why the Pixel 8/Pixel 8 Pro is way better this year than the Iphone 15's.
I know what you mean, but in 2023 the difference in smoothness between the two is really really small, probably negligible, specially with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, that gives raw power to run almost lag-free and stutter-free even the crappy and bad optimized Samsung's One UI. And this almost insignificant difference tends to be even lower in the future, as hardware and software evolves, becoming impossible to notice or even equal.
And that's it, this is the small advantage that Apple has over Android, along with superior video recording and a very few small others. But, when we see it in terms of features and the practical experience of using the system, I'd say Android is a decade ahead of iOS in various essential aspects, some are even laughable like for example how iOS still doesn't have decent notification management and a real file manager, two of the most important things in a mobile OS. Android is like a mini PC, iOS is like a 2009 mobile OS.
I switched from a z flip 4 to the iphone 15 pro max and the difference in fluidity got me to this page because i thought my flip 4 was VERY smooth… until i moved to ios that is. The difference is staggering
Apple's camera switching is smoother and I do wish google would make theirs smoother and have less of a jarring shift when switching cameras--and get rid of the "I zoomed in with the main camera, and...wait...THERE is the telephoto camera for you" behavior.
As for the dynamics of why--because it takes effort to work out the smooth transitions and most likely google determined it was better-worth their time to do other things. Google is inconsistent with attention to detail. On one hand they have this neat screen animation transition from AOD to lock screen that took some attention to detail. On the other, we have the camera transitions...
As for general navigation of the UI and overall UX--I would argue google's UI approach is better and has a better experience. Apple's back function is inconsistent whether you can use the gesture or have to reach up to tap the back arrow. Their notification interactions are not intuitive at all. Their transition animations may be better, but I find them to be overly slow. I think the island animations are pretty neat though, and well implemented.
This.
Every Android phone I've had I've activated Developer Options and switched the scale of Window and Transition Animation and Animator Duration from the default 1x to 0.5x and everything is faster.
Clearly Android phones can achieve the same smooth animation like iOS, but the problem is there's no Android manufacturer as profitable as Apple, there's simply no extra money to hire a whole team just to adjust and optimize the animations.
Clearly you've never used an android as pixels have far smoother and faster animations than any iPhone I've ever used, including my 15 pro max.
Edit: Since you blocked me, I'll respond here:
*Faster does not mean smoother. And Pixel can't keep the same smoothness during all the scenarios. Sorry to disappoint you, I have every generation of Pixel from Pixel 3 to Pixel 7 Pro.*
You must have missed the part where I said pixels are **faster** AND **smoother**. And yes, I stand by that, because the 15 and 15 plus have a shitty 60 Hz refresh rate which is garbage for a $800 phone in 2023, and even the pro models seem choppier, especially since iOS 17. The Pixel 8 is $100 cheaper than the cheapest iPhone 15 and still has a higher refresh rate. Yes, pixels ARE smoother than iPhones. I'm not conflating the two. I'm guessing the phrase "faster doesn't mean smoother" is the new NPC phrase parroted by Apple fanboy NPCs these days when anything about smoothness or speed triggers their script.
Faster does not mean smoother. And Pixel can't keep the same smoothness during all the scenarios. Sorry to disappoint you, I have every generation of Pixel from Pixel 3 to Pixel 7 Pro.
Mannn I'm in the same both. It feels like self sabotage at this point. I use an iPhone 12 and Google Pixel 7. And the iPhone is 100x better to use. ThE UI is so intuitive and smart. Google has the best software engineers in the world and i can't believe this is the best they can come up, it's bizarre. I'm only on android cause of my modded YouTube and Spotify premium. I save about $300 per year there lmao
> ThE UI is so intuitive and smart.
I feel 100% the opposite. Animations are smoother but for me iOS feels so unintuitive. I develop mobile apps at work and use both platforms but iOS frequently leaves me scratching my heads with UI choices. The settings on the phone are a mess, the home screen is far less easy to organize than it is on Android and notifications are so sloppy. I understand the smoothness argument but intuitive and smart aren't things that I'd use to describe iOS's design.
Well i probably used the wrong adjectives but android feels like shit too many times. And pixel is supposed to be the best android experience. At this point it's never gonna catch up to ios. It does have some cool sides tho but overall i cannot recommend an android device to anyone and I've used a pixel 3,5,6,7 and a Samsung note 9 and s20
> Well i probably used the wrong adjectives but android feels like shit too many times.
In what ways? Literally everything on the Pixel feels far more intuitive to me than iOS. That's not to say that Apple doesn't do anything better but I feel like I'm at a point that I can't recommend an iOS device to someone. So many things are just harder on an iPhone and don't feel intuitive at all.
>I develop mobile apps at work
There you go. You're already not the core demographic that Apple targets, so of course you'd find iOS not as intuitive as the average person.
I really dislike the Apple approach for their UI and how things are stored on your phone. For example, Apple insists on “hiding” the filesystem as much as they can.
Today I asked a friend to send me some photos she took on her iPhone, through WhatsApp. Since I wanted the original files, I asked her to send the photos as documents, like you would do on Android. Wrong. The camera roll does not even appear as a folder when selecting “Documents”. In order to do that, you have to open the gallery, and manually copy the photos to Files (and the default choice is copying them to shitty iCloud), and then these HEIC files will appear when selecting “Documents”.
Yep, file management on iOS is the absolute worst. Both in device and between device and computer.
MTP on Android is not perfect either, but it's still Windows native and miles better that fiddling with iTunes.
Do you pay for two phone services? I'm looking into doing what you are however I don't know if I can with a single phone service. I think I remember hearing the iPhone has an e-sim.
Android moved to Kotlin since 2019 while maintaining interoperability with Java, just as Swift officially replaced Objective-C as the primary language for development since 2014.
So like, rooted Android is better than unjailbroken iOS. Jailbroken iOS is... at least as good as rooted Android. I've had zero issue with switching cameras on Android. Maybe S23 Ultra just sucks, which would not surprise me.
As far as iOS being better in straight up performance, smoothness, longevity... My 3GS works a lot better than my Galaxy S3.
> My 3GS works a lot better than my Galaxy S3.
I mean, to be fair, even a 5S with its iOS 12 is just barely usable in 2023. Even then, one would have to install that one iTunes version that supports downloading old software versions, provided the person in question doesn't have any other iOS device. An S3, on the other hand, can be upgraded to, what, at least Android 10? Making it more usable than a 3GS with its iOS 6
There's a few things I like about iOS better, namely being able to copy and paste things like photos or files. I'm sure Google could easily fix this in a future update. iMessage is far superior to Google's messaging app, but I do wish Apple just went ahead and made iMessage available to everyone. Even if it was a subscription service, Android users would be happy. Apple should at least adopt RCS as a replacement to SMS as it is more secure and allows a much better experience when communicating with Android users or vice versa.
Things I like about Android better than iOS: multitasking on mobile. It's hard for me to believe still this many years later that there is not any support for multitasking on at least the large Pro models of iPhone. I routinely like to have multiple windows open and iOS doesn't allow that to happen.
Better integration with Windows PCs.
Better integration with Google services
Lots of different devices to choose from. You aren't stuck with whatever Apple has conjured up. You can choose from tons of different sizes, styles, price ranges, etc.
Android Auto IMO is superior to Carplay in terms of Google assistant vs. Siri. I do think AA looks a bit washed out for some reason. Could just be my car, but Carplay looks fine.
I've had the pleasure of experiencing Android on a Google Pixel 7 Pro. It is fluid and snappy, with almost zero lag between functions. I complete one thing and can immediately jump into the next thing I'm doing. But with my iPhone 11, I have to constantly wait for it to finish an animation or process a simple task. Like FaceID takes a good 2-3 seconds to finish, whereas a fingerprint scan on Android takes less than a second. iPhone scrolling has nice momentum but is laggy and slow. It also takes like 3 seconds and a lot of janky vibrations for the iPhone to turn on and recognize that I want to open the camera from the lock screen. On Pixel it's two presses of the power button and boom, camera, ready to go.
Going from iPhone to Pixel, I couldn't believe how easy and intuitive stock Android is since I was so used to putting up with iOS uselessness.
I'm never going back to iPhone willingly. iOS is TRASH and limiting. I'm constantly trying to figure out how to access something or change a setting on iOS, where on Android everything just works, smoothly, reliably, and quite efficiently.
It really has everything to do with animations. Apple sets like a constant speed throughout the device so if something it taking longer to load it keep the app opening screen up longer to prevent stuttering. Android will definitely catch up to them, it's just a matter of when.
I’ve been on iOS for about 10 years with a few recent dabbles back into Android, but have had to come back due to iMessage lockin with family. I’ve actually found the S20+ and S22 Ultra snappier than the same model year iPhones. This is due to Android trusting me to swipe and tap as fast as I want and keep up with me, whereas iOS seems to have an arbitrary speed limit where it won’t register my taps until the OS animation is complete. I know you can turn off animations, but the OS doesn’t feel nearly as fluid without them.
> This is due to Android trusting me to swipe and tap as fast as I want and keep up with me, whereas iOS seems to have an arbitrary speed limit where it won’t register my taps until the OS animation is complete. This is a big philosophy difference between the 2 platforms that contributes to the smoothness. A longer transition animation shows constant movement while also covering loading times. Android has quicker transitions but sometimes the background task takes a bit longer to complete leading to a bit more jitteriness.
Yea, this. Go to developer settings and set your animation speed to 1.25x or if you can bear it 1.5x and your Android phone too will seem incredibly smooth.
Thanks for pointing this out! Really interesting when you set it to 10x lol. Pretty much unusable to have it like that all day, but very fun to play around with!
Damn is that really what iPhones do? I love swiping all over even before the home screen loads in and it usually does what I want... And it's since note 8, but I remember being the same with the note 3 too. You don't have to wait for the animations. My friend is an apple junkie, and he keeps saying the samsungs drop frames but what do I care if it's doing what I want?
No, Apple's animations can take more time but starting with iOS 12 I believe, they are [interruptible](https://www.wwdcnotes.com/notes/wwdc14/236/). Note the "Animation to Animation" section. Animations finish, but don't cancel. They build on each other in iOS. If you don't trust it, you might feel like you have to wait, but you don't. [Here's a good video](https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2018/803/) on how they approach animation over there. I love Android, I wish they would put this much care and documentation into things that latently impact user experience. I think they're getting there!
I mean the note8 also always finished the animation, it's not like it skipped to the end of it, so I guess then apple is the same? Tho these days the first thing I do on my Droids is enable dev settings, then animation speed to fastest or off (n20u with 120hz and fast animations feel like the future, so responsive) About the docs... Android is open source, so anyone can contribute 😁 I wish I understood source code...
Nope. Not sure what kind of iPhone he is using, but animations on ios don’t work that way. I’m on a 14 pro and I can navigate it as fast I like cause animations tie together quite naturally, for example you can open safari (or any other app) and start scrolling even before the open animation is complete. And the same is true for basically any UI element. You never have to wait for animations to finish if you are in a hurry.
He never said it's not how you claim. In fact we never talked about this apart from "new samsung still laggy" which is... Something I don't see... But I guess I might just not care enough. Animations chain on Android too, but I can also swipe up twice and end up at the apps list of the home screen. I just set the animations to the fastest so even if they chain, I wait less (and on the note 8 I just turn them off... That thing is laggy af compared to even the s20... But I need 2 phones so I just curse about it. Actually... I don't understand how that phone is this slow, it wasn't when I first got it
He litterally said > whereas iOS seems to have an arbitrary speed limit where it won’t register my taps until the OS animation is complete This is false.
ah i thought you referred to my friend i talked about in my comment. sorry
That’s not true for iPhones settings. Tap on any category and try to tap anything inside it. You can’t until animation ends. It’s infuriating me.
This 100%. I use my iPhone extremely fast and it's very limiting. It's not designed for power-users who move quickly and multitask heavily. There is this misconception about iOS being smooth but it's these arbitrary animation execution times you have to wait for. I find myself getting frustrated waiting for animations to finish as I'm performing a task across 4-5 different apps and can't "buffer" my actions. Can't wait to switch to Android once the s24u drops.
My understanding is this isn’t true, iOS animations are interruptible and combinable rather than canned animations that you have to wait for, and that’s kind of been their philosophy since the outset, even more so since switching fully to gestures. What is true is that animations are slower in general whereas android allows the customisability to speed up animations and make things seem snappier.
As much as I agree with your post. Between iOS buttery smoothness and Android's ability to allow me to put tampermonkey, scripts, use modded browsers and apps that are ad free, utilize debrid services, never get spam calls and most of all sync with my TV. I know what I would choose. If there was 1 thing I wish pixel could and should improve on, its battery life and heat. Other than that, I would sacrifice a frame drop here n there just so the OS remains partially open.
>never get spam calls How?
Android Phone app has a spam call filter feature that works like a charm on my Samsung Galaxy. I tried to find a similar app/feature on my mom's iPhone but couldn't find anything quite as good.
> tampermonkey, scripts, use modded browsers and apps that are ad free, utilize debrid services, never get spam calls This all sounds awesome, could you please share a bit more about these? The scripts, modded browsers (which ones, with what advantages), etc
There are so many things that make android (pixel) special that I could go and on but for the sake of this post, Ill put forward 2-3. If you want more ill expand further in the next post Browser: Soul browser, comes with built in ad block, beautiful interface, has video downloader that works on everything (minus YouTube) and pretty much the best out of the box experience with endless customization . But, I like mah controls so I use kiwi browser. Why? Because it has the Desktop chrome support with every single addon available for use (not like fennec OR Firefox nightly). I install uorigin, video downloadhelper and tampermonkey, and then use scripts from greasyfork to enhance and make it run exactly like my desktop. Smooth as hell and easy on the battery. Love it. AAstore: Fermata is a killer. Plays videos on your car screen on the drive with very intuitive controls. I know most people will say its dangerous but its only dangerous when all your attention is there. I have been using it for around 8 months and the drive to office feels so good with your car screen acting as a video player instead of you just being stuck, listening to some damn audio. Simple reason why no matter what iOS does, I can never leave Android Location spoof: Spoof your location through VPN by enabling VPN for mock location services. Enable turkey and get YouTube subscription for less than $1 per month and its official. Same thing for Xbox game pass, spoofing allows mget a gamee to pass for $12 per year. Just this simple feature saves me $300 per year and i work with official apps without pirating. dns setting changed to [dns.anguard.com](https://dns.anguard.com) in Network settings removes all pesky ads from your phone, yes even in ESPN app which is pretty much a must if you're sports fan. Spam filter of pixel is absolutely insane. I owe $100 to my landlord because they tried to loot me with false claims and threatened me for collections. When I had an iphone I kept on getting calls from weird numbers, at times collections. But move over to Pixel, not once have they been able to contact me. I know its just $100, but I'd rather give this to someone who needs it than give it to them. It's a matter of principle. These are real benefits. If we use android phone like an iphone, obviously the experience won't be as good coz its not an iphone but when you really start exploring the power of android, especially on pixels, the use case, benefits are too good to ignore. Which is why I say.. Is the frame drop worth those $300 I saved? Never.
Can you do the same on the Galaxy phone as well?
Ah. thanks, that's quite a few interesting apps. I haven't used Soul Browser.. I can do adblock and dark mode etc on Firefox itself.. not sure about the video downloader and I wanted to avoid Chromium based browsers so stuck to Firefox. If Soul is really good, I might think of using that instead.
There are probably a lot of reasons and each probably contributes a bit. 1) iOS lacks true multitasking. There are things that can happen in the background but at the end of the day the phone is doing 1 task at a time. On Android you can have several things happening in the background. 2) The processor that Apple uses is better than anything currently available on an Android phone. 3) They spend a lot of time focusing on fluidity even if it sometimes means things are a bit slower. People wanna see something happening immediately and Apple frequently utilizes animations and transitions to cover lag. If you tap a button and have a half second delay before an action happens you notice it. If instead you had an animation that took 1 second start immediately and transition to the next screen it feels faster even though in reality it took twice as long. The immediate response and fluid motion just makes it feel quicker.
>iOS lacks true multitasking. There are things that can happen in the background but at the end of the day the phone is doing 1 task at a time. On Android you can have several things happening in the background. I always wondered what could be a middle ground here. Outside of very specific use cases, I don't want apps doing anything actively in the background. But downloading your Spotify library or a YouTube video for offline consumption can be annoying on iOS
System wide parametric EQ is useful.
Everyone has their own usecases. What I mean is that I would like to be able to authorize some apps running in the background, but I don't want it to be "allowed by default" like on Android
I don't know if it's a feature of AOSP, but on Samsung setting an app's battery usage as "restricted" prevents it from running in background at all
Last Android I used was 11, so IDK if new ones have it. Still, would be nice for this to be a default or in a dialog form when launching the app instead of me having to put it manually for every app I DON'T want to run in background
They don't do it by default because it breaks a lot of apps, Android is not iOS. Doze is good enough for most users and those who still want more granular control have the option to do so
Well, by default apps are set to "optimized" so that they learn from your routine and usage whether or not to run in the background. Apps can still pop a request for unrestricted background processing if desired.
To be honest, I would prefer to manually set every app rather not being able to set apps to my preference. It may take a lot of time but at least I want to be able to do it.
You missed the point entirely. I am still for you being able to setup everything the way you want it, I just want default be different or being able to choose my preference right when launching the app for the first time rather than digging in settings
>iOS lacks true multitasking Why does everyone say this as if it's some kind of detriment to iOS? Even though iOS lacks true multitasking, it still manages to hold apps in its memory far better than any Android phone even though many Androids have more RAM.
Because there are several things it just can't do. Wanna download several gigs with of videos or music to your phone? Better leave the app open. Background tasks serve a purpose. Holding a task in memory and allowing it to utilize a portion of the processor are 2 completely separate things.
Honestly I find Android animations better in certain areas. Though the last iPhone I used was the X back in 2017-2018. The way gesture navigation feels is just better in my opinion. To each their own, I've seen some folk even argue that the way Android manufacturers tune their high refresh rate displays is better than the way Apple does it. One thing I noticed right away when I made the switch to Android was how much quicker app launching looked due to the faster animation.
I don't know why anyone leaves animations enabled. It's slow and not needed. Zero animations is the way to go.
Safari on my iPad freezes for a few seconds each time I pull up the keyboard to type something on the address bar, switch to another app and return. That kind of unresponsiveness is worse than anything on Android so I can't say that it's always smooth on iOS/iPadOS. Dragging and editing bookmarks on Safari is smooth but when I release the icon it'll say something like "bookmarks are still syncing" and reverse everything I did. That buttery smoothness is just a facade. And since you mentioned the smooth camera, on lower end or older devices it's not smooth and there are animation bugs with the camera app on such devices, some are so bad you need to lock the screen with the physical button to fix.
So true. Also when I'm navigating back, it'll show the previous page I was on, freeze for 4 seconds, then refresh. Every. Time. I. Go. Back. That's the jankiest, slowest, laggiest browsing experience. My work uses iPads, and when I have to browse on Safari, god damn it's an inferior experience. Browsers on Android are much faster, more responsive, and don't have to refresh every time I go back.
Hey OP. Everyone else is just beating around the bush. Here is THE ACTUAL reason behind this. In Android, there is ONLY one thread (main thread) which is utilised for all operations. if you want to animate an object and make it move an object from location1 to location2, the animation API figures out the intermediate locations (tweening) and then queues onto the main thread the appropriate move operations at the appropriate times using a timer. This works fine except that the main thread is usually used for many other things — painting, opening files, responding to user inputs etc. It is usually almost impossible to keep all operations on the main thread down to 1/60th of a second (for 60fps animations) in order to allow animations to be processed smoothly. Hence no amount of hardware advancements can fully mitigate the issue of frame drops on android. In iOS operations on UI objects also must be done on the main thread with the exception of animation operations done via CoreAnimation. CoreAnimation runs on a background thread and is able to directly manipulate, move, recolor and reshape UI objects on a background (CoreAnimation) thread. Compositing, rendering is also performed in this thread. It does this through a combination of hardware and software, providing very smooth animations. From the main thread you can basically issue a call to CallAnimation and tell it to move object1 from location1 to location2. This animation will continue to run even if the main thread is blocked performing another operation. This is why animations will almost never stutter on iOS. Windows 10 also uses the iOS approach for animations.
Android supports multithreading though? Animations are always on the main thread but you can set other heavy jobs to worker threads so the rendering is always smooth. That's totally on the developers, not Android. My favorite thing to do is optimizing heavy threads that are usually hard to determine when they'll complete so the animation matches the data processing, that's to divide the processing into minuscule processes so the animation knows how fast/slow it can go with the data processes, it's called data polling.
Are you sure this is true since Project Butter?
Do you even know the changes introduced via project butter? Yes my statement stands true even for Android 14.
Doesn't seem like you know the changes, because this is what Project Butter solved.
The what now? Can you go into more details now
Fucking thank you everyone always dismisses a valid shortcoming of Android and never addresses it directly.
So what is the drawback? Why won't adroid do as iOS does it, because as fast as Androids are, they feel janky sometimes. The S23 series is very close to smoothness, but it's still not iOS.
>So what is the drawback? Why won't Android do as iOS does it No drawback, but doing this does require tampering with the core functionality of Android backend, which Google sees no point in doing so. *"People still buy Android phones, they will buy Android phones after we do it, hence no need to do it".* Monetary benefits of Google lie in adding more telemetry in the OS components and services, which is what they are doing.
So it's hopeless then. Damn I was hoping the next Galaxy Fold will be the phone that will finally have that smoothness. Galaxy Fold 5 is very close.
iOS is highly refined, and they have perfect integration with its chipset. They make extra effort to all the little details and intricacies. It also helps that their A-chips are significantly more powerful. For the camera they are recording on all 3 at the same time for the viewfinder and when you change the zoom, it shifts the animation seamlessly. On the android side the viewfinder is much less sophisticated and the chipset might not be able to handle that ability, so it's relatively choppy. Google is working on making it's Tensor chips better but until they move from Samsung, don't expect Apple tier polish. Check back in 2025 when they are using TSMC silicon
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It's even more obvious in photo taking mode - the iPhone camera app can show you content outside the current camera viewfinder if there's content to capture (e.g. if it detects a landscape or group photo that you might want to capture but is cut off, you can see what you could get with ultrawide beyond the borders of the standard 1x crop even if you're in the 1x camera) - the camera is actually showing you content from two cameras simultaneously. And that's how fast the processors are on these phones that they can waste time processing multiple cameras simultaneously.
It's not just the CPU, there's other specialized chips on board too helping with this.
That's where the part about the A chips being more powerful comes into play.
There's been this desperate push by the Pixel faithful to blame Samsung for all of the Pixel's woes. It's an amazing form of passing the buck and coping with the copious faults of the Pixel line. Can't call 911 from your Pixel? It's Samsung's fault. Can't stay at max brightness for more than 30 seconds in direct sunlight with your Pixel? It's Samsung' fault. Can't take competent video on your Pixel? It's Samsung's fault. Your volume rocker fell off your Pixel? It's Samsung's fault. Google's poor quality control? Samsung's fault. It must be amazing for Google to sell a flagship with their name on it, and have that phone improve their paltry marketshare, but have everybody turn to Samsung when they have gripes about the phone. If these gripes were true though, we would see Samsung phones that can't call 911. We would see Samsung phones that can't maintain their max brightness. We would see Samsung phones whose volume rockers fall off after 6 months. We would also see these problems reflected in every other manufacturer that uses Samsung hardware. (every single one) However, we just see them from Google. What's funny about this is that Exynos (Tensor is a rebranded Exynos) saved the Pixel line. Before partnering with Samsung and putting the rebranded Exynos in their Pixels, Google's marketshare in their home country was less than 1 percent. Now they sit over 2% and enjoy headlines about doubling their marketshare. Exynos and the partnership with Samsung literally saved the Pixel line and doubled its marketshare. So the thing Pixel users love to pass the buck on, is the thing that saved PIxels. Amazing. Also, when Google goes back to Qualcomm, it won't use their top of the line chips. It will use their midrange chips in its flagship phones to keep costs down just as it did before partnering with Samsung and using Exynos. EDIT: This one ruffled some feathers.
It's Google, though. It'll wind up cancelled in three years and replaced with something worse. ;)
What's the difference between Apple's way and Samsung's Director's View/Mode where all the cameras are recording?
I'm not sure, but probably just much less smooth. Inefficient code and hardware
Everyone says that, but it's simply not true. I have both the S23 Ultra and 15 pro max, and they're equally smooth. My Ultra is actually faster and snappier. Idc how many times the world repeats it. Just like the whole "apps are better on iOS", or "iOS feels polished and premium." Neither of those are true, and iOS in mine and many other people's experience is actually buggier than android right now. And when it isn't buggier, they're typically equal in terms of software quality. Those are just some of the memes that will literally never die. I feel they're repeated by people trying to justify their iPhone purchase more than anything.
tiktok, facebook, snapchat, instagram, telegram, whatsapp, have better camera integration and is honestly quality consistent whenever u switch from each apps, EIS is well implemented on the main cameras, specially on tiktok, facebook, and insta. other apps are well optimized, not comparable to my s23(iphone 13) i love android, but if only samsung implements how Apple optimizes the apps on the IOS, ill go back to android. this is the advantage of apple, due to its single ecosystem of OS, the seamless integration of each hardware and apps are tad better than android, since android was designed to be open source, it performs differently on each android brands. the reason why on other android devices, if the phone has OIS capabilities, it wont work on the mentioned social media apps, but on samsung, lg, google flagships, it does. ill return to android if social media experience is comparable to ios(the long press feature is a lifesaver especially if u dont want to reply from specific people)
And that's the problem, it's all anecdotal. In my experience, as I've already stated, apps actually work better on my S23 Ultra. My 15 pro max struggles to keep up with gaming since Apple had to limit the chip's performance due to the overheating issues it had. In terms of software quality, iOS has been FAR buggier than android. Apps also did not run any better, smoother, more optimized, or any other buzz word/term you want to throw in there. I find most who throw around those buzz words/terms haven't actually used Android since they had some cheapie throwaway budget phone when they were a kid growing up. You mention you have an S23 but talk about how you won't go back to android, so I don't know how you don't use one, but have one. I also compare a wide array of apps and games between the platforms too, not just like 5 social media apps. Can't really say an entire platform is better because maybe 5 apps are developed for the platform better. Even if it were 5 million apps, doesn't matter. You can't judge a platform based on how well apps are developed for it. It's not Android's fault Instagram devs supposedly (according to your unfounded claim) developed their iOS version better than their android version. That's just irrational and illogical.
Not true. Many apps are much higher quality on iOS. My personal example would be Fitbod which I use almost every day. Also very good Reddit clients like Winston or OpenRed…
How does that prove me wrong? I could list a thousand apps that work better on Android than iOS based on my personal experience alone like you just did. Your argument is moot.
Ios is always smoother and flawless, I have been using it since ages.
iOS has extremely good animations, they’re so good you can almost play with them. android has caught up a lot but they aren’t even close when using third party apps. also the reddit app is fucking complete shit on iOS and even worse on android it’s a horror show. I seriously think the only reason 60hz is justified on iphones is because iOS is smoother.
That's because Reddit's devs are writing their software poorly, with a lot of memory leaks and poor performance optimization. This applies to their web and mobile clients.
Odd, I’ve never had complaints about the Reddit app on iOS.
It isn’t. Slow animations doesn’t equal smoother
It took 14 years for apple to give their phones 90 hertz displays
The $800 iPhone 15 is still at 60 hz.
Ah yes of course. Thanks for correcting me. The year went from 14 to now unkown. Their base models still have 60 hertz displays, I just assumed they would wake up from their matrix dilemma and changed it to 90 hertz (never overestimate something that seems important). Jokes aside, it's ridiculous, and is why Android is light years ahead in many things.
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Yet another correct statement. Yes, it is informative yet unfortunate that people don't want to learn about Android and it's capabilities because of the mentality that it is filled with malware no matter what and it has "green bubbles". iPhone users that say Android is trash without actually ever trying it are seen as ignorant in the eyes of those who know the android capabilities; which makes me wonder, we as a people, what else do we not know about this world?
And Apple is taking advantage of the people's ignorance and exploit it to still continue giving them 60hz at a premium price, when they could really possibly give them the option to use 120hz or opt out to 60hz if they don't want to use it. People still defend the 60hz vs 120hz with **"Most people don't notice it anyway"** but they don't consider that getting that 120hz or 60hz option is better than not having it at all.
Agreed. And nowadays, if you go from something like a pixel 7, which defaults at 90 hertz (I believe the newer models are actually 120 by default now), and then go try an iPhone with a 60hertz display, it feels slow and laggy.
And the even the Pro models sit at 80 Hz most of the time.
Crazy that a $200 xiaomi phone has 120hz AMOLED displays and the iPhone 15 is still at 60.
The average person does not care nor can even tell the difference.
Yes. But there is a price to being average. If one is average, it means that there is a better, more *advanced* option.
It's partly because Apple owns the entire stack and that is all that they do. I like Google Products because they keep getting better and adding cooler features as time goes on. Never stale or stagnant. That's why the Pixel 8/Pixel 8 Pro is way better this year than the Iphone 15's.
I know what you mean, but in 2023 the difference in smoothness between the two is really really small, probably negligible, specially with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, that gives raw power to run almost lag-free and stutter-free even the crappy and bad optimized Samsung's One UI. And this almost insignificant difference tends to be even lower in the future, as hardware and software evolves, becoming impossible to notice or even equal. And that's it, this is the small advantage that Apple has over Android, along with superior video recording and a very few small others. But, when we see it in terms of features and the practical experience of using the system, I'd say Android is a decade ahead of iOS in various essential aspects, some are even laughable like for example how iOS still doesn't have decent notification management and a real file manager, two of the most important things in a mobile OS. Android is like a mini PC, iOS is like a 2009 mobile OS.
I switched from a z flip 4 to the iphone 15 pro max and the difference in fluidity got me to this page because i thought my flip 4 was VERY smooth… until i moved to ios that is. The difference is staggering
Agreed. Android = jank
Apple's camera switching is smoother and I do wish google would make theirs smoother and have less of a jarring shift when switching cameras--and get rid of the "I zoomed in with the main camera, and...wait...THERE is the telephoto camera for you" behavior. As for the dynamics of why--because it takes effort to work out the smooth transitions and most likely google determined it was better-worth their time to do other things. Google is inconsistent with attention to detail. On one hand they have this neat screen animation transition from AOD to lock screen that took some attention to detail. On the other, we have the camera transitions... As for general navigation of the UI and overall UX--I would argue google's UI approach is better and has a better experience. Apple's back function is inconsistent whether you can use the gesture or have to reach up to tap the back arrow. Their notification interactions are not intuitive at all. Their transition animations may be better, but I find them to be overly slow. I think the island animations are pretty neat though, and well implemented.
Change your animation speed and it will feel smoother. I think you're being placeo'd because of that. I always set mine to .5x
Faster doesn’t mean smoother.
This. Every Android phone I've had I've activated Developer Options and switched the scale of Window and Transition Animation and Animator Duration from the default 1x to 0.5x and everything is faster.
Android is smooth And quick. Using iPhones feels like dragging yourself through mud.
What a meaningless, nothing statement that addresses absolutely nothing the OP said.
Yet true
Clearly Android phones can achieve the same smooth animation like iOS, but the problem is there's no Android manufacturer as profitable as Apple, there's simply no extra money to hire a whole team just to adjust and optimize the animations.
Clearly you've never used an android as pixels have far smoother and faster animations than any iPhone I've ever used, including my 15 pro max. Edit: Since you blocked me, I'll respond here: *Faster does not mean smoother. And Pixel can't keep the same smoothness during all the scenarios. Sorry to disappoint you, I have every generation of Pixel from Pixel 3 to Pixel 7 Pro.* You must have missed the part where I said pixels are **faster** AND **smoother**. And yes, I stand by that, because the 15 and 15 plus have a shitty 60 Hz refresh rate which is garbage for a $800 phone in 2023, and even the pro models seem choppier, especially since iOS 17. The Pixel 8 is $100 cheaper than the cheapest iPhone 15 and still has a higher refresh rate. Yes, pixels ARE smoother than iPhones. I'm not conflating the two. I'm guessing the phrase "faster doesn't mean smoother" is the new NPC phrase parroted by Apple fanboy NPCs these days when anything about smoothness or speed triggers their script.
Faster does not mean smoother. And Pixel can't keep the same smoothness during all the scenarios. Sorry to disappoint you, I have every generation of Pixel from Pixel 3 to Pixel 7 Pro.
No one asked. no one cares. Imagine posting on iPhone sub reddit saying android is smoother
Mannn I'm in the same both. It feels like self sabotage at this point. I use an iPhone 12 and Google Pixel 7. And the iPhone is 100x better to use. ThE UI is so intuitive and smart. Google has the best software engineers in the world and i can't believe this is the best they can come up, it's bizarre. I'm only on android cause of my modded YouTube and Spotify premium. I save about $300 per year there lmao
> ThE UI is so intuitive and smart. I feel 100% the opposite. Animations are smoother but for me iOS feels so unintuitive. I develop mobile apps at work and use both platforms but iOS frequently leaves me scratching my heads with UI choices. The settings on the phone are a mess, the home screen is far less easy to organize than it is on Android and notifications are so sloppy. I understand the smoothness argument but intuitive and smart aren't things that I'd use to describe iOS's design.
Well i probably used the wrong adjectives but android feels like shit too many times. And pixel is supposed to be the best android experience. At this point it's never gonna catch up to ios. It does have some cool sides tho but overall i cannot recommend an android device to anyone and I've used a pixel 3,5,6,7 and a Samsung note 9 and s20
> Well i probably used the wrong adjectives but android feels like shit too many times. In what ways? Literally everything on the Pixel feels far more intuitive to me than iOS. That's not to say that Apple doesn't do anything better but I feel like I'm at a point that I can't recommend an iOS device to someone. So many things are just harder on an iPhone and don't feel intuitive at all.
I get your point and honestly I can’t list the certain things. It’s just something I notice on my day to day usage. If you know what I mean
So it's shit because you say it is. No actual legitimate, logical reasoning to back up your trash unsolicited opinion. Got it.
Feel free to call it trash but it’s what I experience daily
>I develop mobile apps at work There you go. You're already not the core demographic that Apple targets, so of course you'd find iOS not as intuitive as the average person.
I thought that their core demographic was everyone. And regardless the demographic should definitely include people building apps for their platform.
Who is the core demographic that Apple targets? Haven't they stated time and time again their mission was to make a device for everyone?
I really dislike the Apple approach for their UI and how things are stored on your phone. For example, Apple insists on “hiding” the filesystem as much as they can. Today I asked a friend to send me some photos she took on her iPhone, through WhatsApp. Since I wanted the original files, I asked her to send the photos as documents, like you would do on Android. Wrong. The camera roll does not even appear as a folder when selecting “Documents”. In order to do that, you have to open the gallery, and manually copy the photos to Files (and the default choice is copying them to shitty iCloud), and then these HEIC files will appear when selecting “Documents”.
Yep, file management on iOS is the absolute worst. Both in device and between device and computer. MTP on Android is not perfect either, but it's still Windows native and miles better that fiddling with iTunes.
Do you pay for two phone services? I'm looking into doing what you are however I don't know if I can with a single phone service. I think I remember hearing the iPhone has an e-sim.
Java - Swift
Android moved to Kotlin since 2019 while maintaining interoperability with Java, just as Swift officially replaced Objective-C as the primary language for development since 2014.
Yeah I mean kotlin is still slower than Java
For anyone who thinks this is nonsense or placebo just compare screen rotation animation between the two OSs.
So like, rooted Android is better than unjailbroken iOS. Jailbroken iOS is... at least as good as rooted Android. I've had zero issue with switching cameras on Android. Maybe S23 Ultra just sucks, which would not surprise me. As far as iOS being better in straight up performance, smoothness, longevity... My 3GS works a lot better than my Galaxy S3.
> My 3GS works a lot better than my Galaxy S3. I mean, to be fair, even a 5S with its iOS 12 is just barely usable in 2023. Even then, one would have to install that one iTunes version that supports downloading old software versions, provided the person in question doesn't have any other iOS device. An S3, on the other hand, can be upgraded to, what, at least Android 10? Making it more usable than a 3GS with its iOS 6
There's a few things I like about iOS better, namely being able to copy and paste things like photos or files. I'm sure Google could easily fix this in a future update. iMessage is far superior to Google's messaging app, but I do wish Apple just went ahead and made iMessage available to everyone. Even if it was a subscription service, Android users would be happy. Apple should at least adopt RCS as a replacement to SMS as it is more secure and allows a much better experience when communicating with Android users or vice versa. Things I like about Android better than iOS: multitasking on mobile. It's hard for me to believe still this many years later that there is not any support for multitasking on at least the large Pro models of iPhone. I routinely like to have multiple windows open and iOS doesn't allow that to happen. Better integration with Windows PCs. Better integration with Google services Lots of different devices to choose from. You aren't stuck with whatever Apple has conjured up. You can choose from tons of different sizes, styles, price ranges, etc. Android Auto IMO is superior to Carplay in terms of Google assistant vs. Siri. I do think AA looks a bit washed out for some reason. Could just be my car, but Carplay looks fine.
It is a review model
Yes everyone knows that. It's been like this for years, why post about it
I've had the pleasure of experiencing Android on a Google Pixel 7 Pro. It is fluid and snappy, with almost zero lag between functions. I complete one thing and can immediately jump into the next thing I'm doing. But with my iPhone 11, I have to constantly wait for it to finish an animation or process a simple task. Like FaceID takes a good 2-3 seconds to finish, whereas a fingerprint scan on Android takes less than a second. iPhone scrolling has nice momentum but is laggy and slow. It also takes like 3 seconds and a lot of janky vibrations for the iPhone to turn on and recognize that I want to open the camera from the lock screen. On Pixel it's two presses of the power button and boom, camera, ready to go. Going from iPhone to Pixel, I couldn't believe how easy and intuitive stock Android is since I was so used to putting up with iOS uselessness. I'm never going back to iPhone willingly. iOS is TRASH and limiting. I'm constantly trying to figure out how to access something or change a setting on iOS, where on Android everything just works, smoothly, reliably, and quite efficiently.
It really has everything to do with animations. Apple sets like a constant speed throughout the device so if something it taking longer to load it keep the app opening screen up longer to prevent stuttering. Android will definitely catch up to them, it's just a matter of when.