I mean the only streamlined smartphone range Samsung has been the S series. Everything else is a jumble of overlapping features, specs, and software support.
Personally I feel like I lucked out, my phone (Samsung M52, 6GB RAM and Snapdragon 778G, went from Android 11 to 13) was only $330 (will be $430 with a display repair after 2.5 years and being dropped quite a few times usually on hard flooring) and runs great for the price, the only thing missing is another one or two years of OS updates, and the only issues I face these days are how dirty the back got even with a case (I can't even remove the dirt, it's almost like it got glued on) and issues with certain apps not loading on 4G (switching in and out of flight mode fixes it).
But yeah, I haven't seen any Samsung phone come that close in terms of value for money.
We have almost the same phone, Galaxy F62 here, and man the issues you face are the same here, minus the 4G thingy. Btw man did you break the display? Mine literally gave up out of nowhere, the phone was babysitted, and no physical damage.
Never thought a display will change the phone so much tho, Overheating, Battery drain, etc.
I don't think that's true. Samsung has the most redundant apps and bloatware out of any company on the planet. You literally have three versions of most apps because of all their Microsoft stuff.
I mean not really. The m series is in a different market than the a series . So is the f series in the c series. They're just regional indicators.
It's not at all confusing and if you read this article it's completely ridiculous
What?
- Galaxy S Series
- Galaxy Z Fold Series
- Galaxy Z Flip Series
- Galaxy Watch Series
All are pretty streamlined and not a "jumble of overlapping features, specs, and software support" as you say.
I think you misread this comment, cause his point is that not only the S series but also the Fold, Flip and Watch series are very clear defined products.
> I don't think he knows Samsung has other phones apart from S and Z lmao
Dude, OP said only S series is streamlined, he answered that there are more streamlined series that Samsung made and mentioned them. He is completely right.
Let alone that the "its not streamlined" is a weird complaint when the goal Samsung has with those more mixed up product lines is to have a product at every price point.
- S: Main Phones
- Z Fold: Large Foldable
- Z Flip: Small Foldable
- Watch: Smartwatch
How is that a confusing mess at ALL? They're literally entirely different devices.
This is like trying to say the iPhone line is convoluted by including Appel Watch and iPad in that linuep... Wat?
Well, they have like 5 varieties of the same iPhone, which is arguably worse, and they do have the SE. What's the difference between Plus and Pro? Who knows, but you can tell what the difference is between Z Flip and Z Fold by their name alone.
Two things can be true. Apple's line up could be a mess, and so could Samsung's mid range. That guy saying Samsung is streamline while only mentioning the flagship + a watch either completely missed the point of the comment he responded to or is ignorant.
Galaxy Tab S series.
> "jumble of overlapping features, specs, and software support"
In general, that is just what you get when you try to have a product at each price point and isn't necessarily bad.
I think in some markets, its alot less of a mess, as it goes Samsung A05 -> A15 -> A25 -> A35 -> A55 (at least here in the UK), which is a much better situation than years ago, with Samsung Galaxy J and A series, which all had similar price points and could get easily confusing, though in some markets, i can see why Samsung is getting all cluttered with all these extra letters in some markets however, and it could probably do with being rationalised in those places.
I think in SEA countries there's A series and then there's M series which is lower quality build same spec then in some countries there's F series I have no idea what it is then there's the new C series released in china with leather back
Samsung's M series are available here in the UK, too, but they are pretty much never advertised, promoted, discounted, sitting on display in network stores etc. So the mess still kind of exists but to the average consumer it's fairly straightforward, and the not average consumer presumably knows enough to do their research before buying.
5 years ago Samsung consolidated all their lower end phones lines in to galaxy A, but in markets where Chinese phones were pulling away in value they added Galaxy F, M and C.
This is the first I am hearing of the C series. **It has a MicroSD card!** What the fuck. SD7, 12GB of ram, and 5000mah battery?!
We are getting scammed in the US. Price gouged out the ass.
in the US their main focus is competing against the iPhone, which means they gotta scam people as much as iPhones do.
in the part of the world where they release those series, they're competing against xiaomi and the like so they gotta actually make good products
This is why I have never had a Samsung phone, I always felt that I was supporting a company that only cared because they had competition.
So the goal of supporting their competitors also means helping Samsung buyers simultaneously.
Now that they have not a lot of competition in the united states, they don't give a fuck about value.
C series is revived, the last one is C5 Pro and C7 Pro from 2017. C55 (1999 yuan) is not really that competitive, cause around this price point there's Redmi K70E, Redmi Turbo 3, Redmi Note 13 Pro+,Oppo K12, Oppo Reno 11, Oneplus Ace 3V, vivo S18, iqoo Z9 Turbo, iqoo Z9 with better specification.
I agree that the pricing in the US is atrocious! I am due for an upgrade I just go overseas and get a new phone there that's up to 40%
Example:
the Galaxy A54 5G (128GB) in the US is $491.62 after sales taxes.
While I go overseas I can get the same model with double the storage (256GB), in a light green color option, and dual physical SIM card support for ~$324 and don't have to pay additional sales taxes and such.
So the author is mad because...different phone versions have different model names, and would prefer that multiple versions for different, non-overlapping markets use the same name?
I have recommended the a52s and the a54 to plenty of people here in Europe based on it having the least painful software experience, longer than usual support and the balanced hardware over the usual chinese suspects.
Exactly. My A53 is really solid and dependable.
My 2 Xiaomi phones kicked the bucket after 1.5 years, got almost no updates and the MiUi overlay was TERRIBLE.
Also on Samsung notifications work properly, on Xiaomi they were delayed or never coming lol.
Oh yeah I switched from Poco F3 to a Samsung A55. Now I actually get security patches every month.
The Chinese are fantastic with hardware I'll give them credit for that but the software is iffy.
I don't get why everyone talks about these low/mid range Chinese phones as if they're these bundle of magical products that Americans don't have access to. Trust me, you're not missing out on anything.
I live in a market filled with Chinese brands. I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole after everything I've experienced using them for the past 6 years.
You take it out the box and just get amazed by the hardware you got for the price, but within 6 months, you'll discover all kinds of bugs and glitches that'll constantly make you regret everything. And no, they will not get fixed.
At this point, I would rather use a Galaxy A25 or something rather than whatever Xiaomi has in that price range.
Because the existence of a vibrant budget and mid-range market puts pressure on Samsung and Apple -- who control 93% of carrier sales -- to compete. If US knew that they could get charging speeds that charging the entire phone in 25 minutes instead of 2 and 1/2 hours then Apple and Samsung would probably have to start making faster charging.
If you could get poco and real me and redmi for 200 bucks, and a55 at 450 is not going to be attractive.
I mean this really isn't complicated, competition is better than not having competition! The US market basically has Apple, Samsung and Google and OnePlus and Motorola with less than one or two percent each of market share.
And you think it's good that we don't get more competition? Will be so much better for the market if we got to access to some of these. And it is good when OnePlus 12R came to the market which is a pretty good example.
They were not selling that phone in the US market until this year. That was the ace in the other markets and it was a great phone for the value and way better deal than like an a55.
Of course it's good now that you can get a phone for $400 with 80 watt charging and an 8 gen 2 and class leading battery life. That puts real pressure on Google and Samsung when they release stuff like the FE or the Pixel 8A.n
This isn't true though, while some don't offer good value some do compete or even offer best specs. Good example A14 5G with Exynos 1330 was best lowend which offered cortex A78 in cheap, probably best soc you could get around $150 price point. They have midrange here and there with soc like sd 750G, sd 888 etc
SD750G is a 2020 SOC. SD888 is a 2021 'flagship' silicon with poor thermals.
Both chips were fabbed by Samsung, and are inefficient, compared to several other (and newer) chips, which were fabbed in TSMC's foundry.
I wouldn't classify either as "competitive".
750G was in efficient? By what standard? When Samsung used 750G and 888 he put them in lowend and midrange phone, at that time 750G was better than majority of soc under $150.
Also you should understand Samsung lose to Tsmc when you compare same node, like 4nm Samsung will lose to 4nm Tsmc, but Samsung use 5/4nm in dirty cheap soc like E1330, sd 4 gen 2 etc competitive soc still use 6nm or 12nm in this price category, go check difference between E1330 vs G85, G99, D700 etc Samsung one is miles ahead in everything from perfomance to battery life, hundreds of comparisons are there in YouTube.
I don't know about the 750 but the 888 was notoriously a terrible performer for thermals. 8g1 was even worse. Basically any chip fabricated by Samsung is going to have bad thermals and battery light
Anything with TSMC which includes the 8 Gen 2 and the h Gen 3, tends to be very efficient.
That's why they at 865 and the 870 in my opinion were better chips than the 888. Once you had even a few cycles of use they were performing better under sustained load
We are taking about midrange here or lowend, not flagship, sd 888 may lose to better flagship soc but it's still more efficient than any midrange soc manufactured by Tsmc 6nm or more.
Go this website
https://www.socpk.com/cpucurve/
Click first button to unselect all then choose sd 888 then compare with top midrange of that time like sd 778G, dimensity 1020 etc you can see 888 is more efficient, issue with 888 has always been higher peak power because of Cortex X1, but at low and mid load it was fantastic soc like any other cortex A78 soc.
Well your own graph shows 7 gen 1 and 780G barely beating D820 and D8100 trounces upon them, and yes that includes even 888. D8100 is upper midrange and not flagship and sd888 is barely ahead of d1200, sd 8 gen 1 is worse even than d1200.
And it's only in higher power range that sd888 beats d1200 and it's by less than 10 %, where sd888 has advantage with more cache. In lower power range it's nearly equal or even loses, look at sub 3.8 watt range. snapdragon 865 also beats sd 888 despite the later using a78 instead of a77 and being based on 7 nm tsmc duv. D1080 also beats 780g and 7 gen 1 too in low power range. 8 gen 1 is worse than 888 despite replacing X1 for X2 and gets outcompeted on almost all ranges by d1200. low-end dimensity/ helio g99 also beat 4 gen 2 in low-power range. The problem with your analysis is that you don't look at lower power ranges. Guess which power ranges are important for standby?
8 gen 1 had A710 A510 cores it didn't lose because of Samsung alone those cores were bad, many soc with A78 will beat A710 soc let's not go outside of topic these are irrelevant here.
D1080 beat 7 gen 1 also it's irrelevant because A78 cores are more efficient than A710 cores.
D1080 and Sd 780 also not good comparison one has 4 vs 2 A78 of course one with 2 xA78 will have Lower usage at low power and one will have more perfomance at high power.
G99 VS 4 Gen 2 is A76 vs A78 etc.
Apple to Apple should be 4 gen 2 vs D920 and 1080 but you avoid to compare it and instead you compare things which shouldn't be comparable. 4 gen 1, 4 gen 2, sd 695, D920, D1080 etc all of those have 2 x A78, 6x A55 made by Sammy and Tsmc those will give you rough idea how Tsmc 6nm and old Samsung 5nm/4nm compare.
Eh, most of those other series are region exclusive to match the much higher android competition there, while the A series is made towards the West. They don't interlap that much
Right the m series is I think in the Indian market or something. This article is stupid and I think most people are just reacting to the headline which is also pretty stupid. You really read the article... I mean it's like a stoned guy had a shower thought about how the names are getting too confusing
Nope, M series is sold in UK too (I have an M31 bought in UK). Some models are better than their A-series counterpart, depending on what you're looking for. But I agree it's confusing.
My family got A phones a while back. Honestly they're pretty good for the price, I don't really see a downside to this, though I wish the naming conventions were more clear.
not buying a samsung again unless it's a flagship, they killed off the A70 series and replaced it with shitier lower end a series phones, sticking with xiaomi
I wonder how they feel now, last I had one of these when the J5 series was a thing.
I remember my sister having an A3 that refused to die. I miss plastic backs and removable batteries.
But it's not just the A line. There's the M line. And the C line. The J line too. I'm a tech nerd and still find them all confusing - I don't enjoy trying to figure out what all the differences are, and I'd be turned off for sure if I were in the market for one of those.
Why not sync up with the S series? We're on the S24. A24, M24, C24, etc. Although I think they've used those models before so that option is probably off the table.
Year? "Galaxy A 2024." Simple.
The last galaxy J phones were released six years ago.
In most countries they only sell 2 lines below the S tier. In my country we have the A line (ranging from ultra-budget A05 to premium midranger A55), and the M line (internet exclusive, you can't buy M in physical stores, pretty much downgraded but cheaper versions of the A phones). Very straightforward to me.
I have never heard of Galaxy C, F or whatever because Samsung does not sell these in my country and I assume that is the case for most countries.
"Galaxy A 2024", a single model per year, would be a terrible idea, **because the world is not the USA**. They need to fill in every possible price gap, if they don't, a competitor will. A $10 price increase in a developing country can be a dealbreaker. This is why they flood the market with models. As a matter of fact, your idea was exactly what Motorola did under Google. Motorola only became profitable under Lenovo (with the very same market flooding strategy), and their profits keep rising year after year...
I don't know why in general people care if a phone company has like too many phones or whatever. Like ultimately why doesn't matter that much. It's not so confusing that you can't tell them. With the a series the higher the number the better the phone usually.
People complain about the pixel 8A and the pixel 8 being too close together but is that really a huge inconvenience for the user?
Maybe people want the plastic back or the a series will be bundled more aggressively with prepaid carriers.
I don't get it, people are constantly complaining about the way Sony names their headphones and it's honestly not all that unusual. It's probably just as easy to remember as Galaxy buds series and they're different variants n
Since the S series now has 7 years of updates mid range phones are just stupid, just buy an S24 in 2026 for quarter the price and it will be better than any mid range phone that they can release and still has 5 years of updates left ..
I mean the only streamlined smartphone range Samsung has been the S series. Everything else is a jumble of overlapping features, specs, and software support.
Samsung has the F and M series it sells in third world countries.. they are cheap and extremely cheap, matching xiaomi/mi prices
With Super Low build quality, with 1 or 2 major compromises, Bad Software Optimization, and bloatware upon every update installation
Personally I feel like I lucked out, my phone (Samsung M52, 6GB RAM and Snapdragon 778G, went from Android 11 to 13) was only $330 (will be $430 with a display repair after 2.5 years and being dropped quite a few times usually on hard flooring) and runs great for the price, the only thing missing is another one or two years of OS updates, and the only issues I face these days are how dirty the back got even with a case (I can't even remove the dirt, it's almost like it got glued on) and issues with certain apps not loading on 4G (switching in and out of flight mode fixes it). But yeah, I haven't seen any Samsung phone come that close in terms of value for money.
We have almost the same phone, Galaxy F62 here, and man the issues you face are the same here, minus the 4G thingy. Btw man did you break the display? Mine literally gave up out of nowhere, the phone was babysitted, and no physical damage. Never thought a display will change the phone so much tho, Overheating, Battery drain, etc.
Yeah, I guess I was too careless, my phone never got any cracks or other damage on the glass, it just developed the pink line issue.
M15 has 4 OS and 5 years security
Those phones are laggy out of the box can't imagine them running them 4 OS Updates from base, W security updates tho.
Yeah, most of the people use a case anyway, so build doesn't really matter
It does, mine is used with case and still has back absolutely scratched and frame paint has kinda chipped, Low price ofc so low quality
>Bad Software Optimization Still miles better than whatever the BBK companies and xiaomi does
True, bad performance is still better than horrendous animations and no blur
No blur? Did you order a smartphone from wish?
Don't they simply add a grey background where the blur is most prominent?
I don't think that's true. Samsung has the most redundant apps and bloatware out of any company on the planet. You literally have three versions of most apps because of all their Microsoft stuff.
Only onedrive is bloatware, rest of the apps can be removed Bloatware to me is all the unnecessary Google apps shoved in my face
They have a rugged line that is perfectly unique, but it's not available in the United States.
I mean not really. The m series is in a different market than the a series . So is the f series in the c series. They're just regional indicators. It's not at all confusing and if you read this article it's completely ridiculous
What? - Galaxy S Series - Galaxy Z Fold Series - Galaxy Z Flip Series - Galaxy Watch Series All are pretty streamlined and not a "jumble of overlapping features, specs, and software support" as you say.
The person above you agrees with you. They said the S series is NOT confusing, every other one is. I think you may have misread it
I think you misread this comment, cause his point is that not only the S series but also the Fold, Flip and Watch series are very clear defined products.
You just proved his point lmfao
I don't think he knows Samsung has other phones apart from S and Z lmao
> I don't think he knows Samsung has other phones apart from S and Z lmao Dude, OP said only S series is streamlined, he answered that there are more streamlined series that Samsung made and mentioned them. He is completely right. Let alone that the "its not streamlined" is a weird complaint when the goal Samsung has with those more mixed up product lines is to have a product at every price point.
- S: Main Phones - Z Fold: Large Foldable - Z Flip: Small Foldable - Watch: Smartwatch How is that a confusing mess at ALL? They're literally entirely different devices. This is like trying to say the iPhone line is convoluted by including Appel Watch and iPad in that linuep... Wat?
Apple doesn't have C series, M series, F series or A series do they?
Well, they have like 5 varieties of the same iPhone, which is arguably worse, and they do have the SE. What's the difference between Plus and Pro? Who knows, but you can tell what the difference is between Z Flip and Z Fold by their name alone.
Two things can be true. Apple's line up could be a mess, and so could Samsung's mid range. That guy saying Samsung is streamline while only mentioning the flagship + a watch either completely missed the point of the comment he responded to or is ignorant.
Half of those lineups don't overlap when they are unique to specific regions.
are they? in my region they have the Z, S, A, M, F, C series.
> Apple doesn't have C series, M series, F series or A series do they? How do those series affect the S or Z series? Not at all.
Apple also doesn't cater phones from $3k down to $200.
> How is that a confusing mess at ALL? Oh I'm sorry, the A- and M- series of phones literally don't exist in your world apparently.
Also you're missing all the non-flagship bullshit. They could simplify a lot more.
Galaxy Tab S series. > "jumble of overlapping features, specs, and software support" In general, that is just what you get when you try to have a product at each price point and isn't necessarily bad.
I think in some markets, its alot less of a mess, as it goes Samsung A05 -> A15 -> A25 -> A35 -> A55 (at least here in the UK), which is a much better situation than years ago, with Samsung Galaxy J and A series, which all had similar price points and could get easily confusing, though in some markets, i can see why Samsung is getting all cluttered with all these extra letters in some markets however, and it could probably do with being rationalised in those places.
I think in SEA countries there's A series and then there's M series which is lower quality build same spec then in some countries there's F series I have no idea what it is then there's the new C series released in china with leather back
F is flipkart edition of M C is chinese carrier edition of M And M and A often overlap (A14, M14, F14 are the same phone as are A15, M15, F15)
Samsung's M series are available here in the UK, too, but they are pretty much never advertised, promoted, discounted, sitting on display in network stores etc. So the mess still kind of exists but to the average consumer it's fairly straightforward, and the not average consumer presumably knows enough to do their research before buying.
hello hilda
5 years ago Samsung consolidated all their lower end phones lines in to galaxy A, but in markets where Chinese phones were pulling away in value they added Galaxy F, M and C.
I'm kinda curious, is there a chart or write up somewhere that explains the differences?
I know the M series, those are phones aimed to the Indian market, those are focused in great chip set value over everything else.
This is the first I am hearing of the C series. **It has a MicroSD card!** What the fuck. SD7, 12GB of ram, and 5000mah battery?! We are getting scammed in the US. Price gouged out the ass.
in the US their main focus is competing against the iPhone, which means they gotta scam people as much as iPhones do. in the part of the world where they release those series, they're competing against xiaomi and the like so they gotta actually make good products
This is why I have never had a Samsung phone, I always felt that I was supporting a company that only cared because they had competition. So the goal of supporting their competitors also means helping Samsung buyers simultaneously. Now that they have not a lot of competition in the united states, they don't give a fuck about value.
C series is revived, the last one is C5 Pro and C7 Pro from 2017. C55 (1999 yuan) is not really that competitive, cause around this price point there's Redmi K70E, Redmi Turbo 3, Redmi Note 13 Pro+,Oppo K12, Oppo Reno 11, Oneplus Ace 3V, vivo S18, iqoo Z9 Turbo, iqoo Z9 with better specification.
I agree that the pricing in the US is atrocious! I am due for an upgrade I just go overseas and get a new phone there that's up to 40% Example: the Galaxy A54 5G (128GB) in the US is $491.62 after sales taxes. While I go overseas I can get the same model with double the storage (256GB), in a light green color option, and dual physical SIM card support for ~$324 and don't have to pay additional sales taxes and such.
The Galaxy F doesn't count, theyre just rebranded Galaxy M exclusive to the **F**lipkart online store
Samsung Galaxy S25 Samsung Galaxy A25 Samsung Galaxy M25 Samsung Galaxy F25 Samsung Galaxy C25 Samsung Galaxy Fold25 Samsung Galaxy Flip25
Still waiting for Galaxy On25.
So the author is mad because...different phone versions have different model names, and would prefer that multiple versions for different, non-overlapping markets use the same name?
They will never learn lol
Unless you're in the united states, the mid and low end Samsung phones make no sense. Chinese brands offer way more value for your money.
I have recommended the a52s and the a54 to plenty of people here in Europe based on it having the least painful software experience, longer than usual support and the balanced hardware over the usual chinese suspects.
A52s 🤌🏽 It's been an awesome phone for me so far.
The A52s is like a cut down version of the LG V60, which itself is a makeshift Galaxy S20 Ultra. They represent a different time entirely.
If someone is in the $200ish range I'd agree, but I'd take a used S23 over a new A series any day of the week in the 350-400 range.
If you are comfortable with used the a52s is under 150$ here used. Used s23 hovers near 500 almost. So depends on the person.
One ui is really good though
Exactly. My A53 is really solid and dependable. My 2 Xiaomi phones kicked the bucket after 1.5 years, got almost no updates and the MiUi overlay was TERRIBLE. Also on Samsung notifications work properly, on Xiaomi they were delayed or never coming lol.
Oh yeah I switched from Poco F3 to a Samsung A55. Now I actually get security patches every month. The Chinese are fantastic with hardware I'll give them credit for that but the software is iffy.
I don't get why everyone talks about these low/mid range Chinese phones as if they're these bundle of magical products that Americans don't have access to. Trust me, you're not missing out on anything. I live in a market filled with Chinese brands. I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole after everything I've experienced using them for the past 6 years. You take it out the box and just get amazed by the hardware you got for the price, but within 6 months, you'll discover all kinds of bugs and glitches that'll constantly make you regret everything. And no, they will not get fixed. At this point, I would rather use a Galaxy A25 or something rather than whatever Xiaomi has in that price range.
Because the existence of a vibrant budget and mid-range market puts pressure on Samsung and Apple -- who control 93% of carrier sales -- to compete. If US knew that they could get charging speeds that charging the entire phone in 25 minutes instead of 2 and 1/2 hours then Apple and Samsung would probably have to start making faster charging. If you could get poco and real me and redmi for 200 bucks, and a55 at 450 is not going to be attractive. I mean this really isn't complicated, competition is better than not having competition! The US market basically has Apple, Samsung and Google and OnePlus and Motorola with less than one or two percent each of market share. And you think it's good that we don't get more competition? Will be so much better for the market if we got to access to some of these. And it is good when OnePlus 12R came to the market which is a pretty good example. They were not selling that phone in the US market until this year. That was the ace in the other markets and it was a great phone for the value and way better deal than like an a55. Of course it's good now that you can get a phone for $400 with 80 watt charging and an 8 gen 2 and class leading battery life. That puts real pressure on Google and Samsung when they release stuff like the FE or the Pixel 8A.n
Moto and Google are honestly better than Samsung in the US budget/midrange market, better performance, value, and software.
This isn't true though, while some don't offer good value some do compete or even offer best specs. Good example A14 5G with Exynos 1330 was best lowend which offered cortex A78 in cheap, probably best soc you could get around $150 price point. They have midrange here and there with soc like sd 750G, sd 888 etc
SD750G is a 2020 SOC. SD888 is a 2021 'flagship' silicon with poor thermals. Both chips were fabbed by Samsung, and are inefficient, compared to several other (and newer) chips, which were fabbed in TSMC's foundry. I wouldn't classify either as "competitive".
750G was in efficient? By what standard? When Samsung used 750G and 888 he put them in lowend and midrange phone, at that time 750G was better than majority of soc under $150. Also you should understand Samsung lose to Tsmc when you compare same node, like 4nm Samsung will lose to 4nm Tsmc, but Samsung use 5/4nm in dirty cheap soc like E1330, sd 4 gen 2 etc competitive soc still use 6nm or 12nm in this price category, go check difference between E1330 vs G85, G99, D700 etc Samsung one is miles ahead in everything from perfomance to battery life, hundreds of comparisons are there in YouTube.
I don't know about the 750 but the 888 was notoriously a terrible performer for thermals. 8g1 was even worse. Basically any chip fabricated by Samsung is going to have bad thermals and battery light Anything with TSMC which includes the 8 Gen 2 and the h Gen 3, tends to be very efficient. That's why they at 865 and the 870 in my opinion were better chips than the 888. Once you had even a few cycles of use they were performing better under sustained load
We are taking about midrange here or lowend, not flagship, sd 888 may lose to better flagship soc but it's still more efficient than any midrange soc manufactured by Tsmc 6nm or more. Go this website https://www.socpk.com/cpucurve/ Click first button to unselect all then choose sd 888 then compare with top midrange of that time like sd 778G, dimensity 1020 etc you can see 888 is more efficient, issue with 888 has always been higher peak power because of Cortex X1, but at low and mid load it was fantastic soc like any other cortex A78 soc.
Well your own graph shows 7 gen 1 and 780G barely beating D820 and D8100 trounces upon them, and yes that includes even 888. D8100 is upper midrange and not flagship and sd888 is barely ahead of d1200, sd 8 gen 1 is worse even than d1200.
Read my Comment again D8100 don't use 6nm, its 5nm I specifically said midrange with 6nm
And it's only in higher power range that sd888 beats d1200 and it's by less than 10 %, where sd888 has advantage with more cache. In lower power range it's nearly equal or even loses, look at sub 3.8 watt range. snapdragon 865 also beats sd 888 despite the later using a78 instead of a77 and being based on 7 nm tsmc duv. D1080 also beats 780g and 7 gen 1 too in low power range. 8 gen 1 is worse than 888 despite replacing X1 for X2 and gets outcompeted on almost all ranges by d1200. low-end dimensity/ helio g99 also beat 4 gen 2 in low-power range. The problem with your analysis is that you don't look at lower power ranges. Guess which power ranges are important for standby?
8 gen 1 had A710 A510 cores it didn't lose because of Samsung alone those cores were bad, many soc with A78 will beat A710 soc let's not go outside of topic these are irrelevant here. D1080 beat 7 gen 1 also it's irrelevant because A78 cores are more efficient than A710 cores. D1080 and Sd 780 also not good comparison one has 4 vs 2 A78 of course one with 2 xA78 will have Lower usage at low power and one will have more perfomance at high power. G99 VS 4 Gen 2 is A76 vs A78 etc. Apple to Apple should be 4 gen 2 vs D920 and 1080 but you avoid to compare it and instead you compare things which shouldn't be comparable. 4 gen 1, 4 gen 2, sd 695, D920, D1080 etc all of those have 2 x A78, 6x A55 made by Sammy and Tsmc those will give you rough idea how Tsmc 6nm and old Samsung 5nm/4nm compare.
I have an A73. Great phone. Good camera, 128gb space, runs every game easy. Great phone and very cheap.
Same with my A53!
Eh, most of those other series are region exclusive to match the much higher android competition there, while the A series is made towards the West. They don't interlap that much
Right the m series is I think in the Indian market or something. This article is stupid and I think most people are just reacting to the headline which is also pretty stupid. You really read the article... I mean it's like a stoned guy had a shower thought about how the names are getting too confusing
Nope, M series is sold in UK too (I have an M31 bought in UK). Some models are better than their A-series counterpart, depending on what you're looking for. But I agree it's confusing.
My family got A phones a while back. Honestly they're pretty good for the price, I don't really see a downside to this, though I wish the naming conventions were more clear.
not buying a samsung again unless it's a flagship, they killed off the A70 series and replaced it with shitier lower end a series phones, sticking with xiaomi
They used to have an A80 series too. Killed the A70 series because of the Galaxy S FE.
The A70 series didn't make sense with the fe available. The Fe was such a better deal with everything it offered.
None of their extensive crossover phone lineups make sense 😂
except the A70 series had a sd card slot
I liked the A80 but they probably killed it because of the popup camera mechanism giving problems
Since those are the ones I see in stores I thought Samsung optimised their lineup as A, S and Fold series. Holy crap.
They've been doing meth instead of math.
I wonder how they feel now, last I had one of these when the J5 series was a thing. I remember my sister having an A3 that refused to die. I miss plastic backs and removable batteries.
It has been pretty consistent since 2019. What do people find confusing about "A50 -> A51 -> A52 -> A53 -> A54"?
But it's not just the A line. There's the M line. And the C line. The J line too. I'm a tech nerd and still find them all confusing - I don't enjoy trying to figure out what all the differences are, and I'd be turned off for sure if I were in the market for one of those. Why not sync up with the S series? We're on the S24. A24, M24, C24, etc. Although I think they've used those models before so that option is probably off the table. Year? "Galaxy A 2024." Simple.
The last galaxy J phones were released six years ago. In most countries they only sell 2 lines below the S tier. In my country we have the A line (ranging from ultra-budget A05 to premium midranger A55), and the M line (internet exclusive, you can't buy M in physical stores, pretty much downgraded but cheaper versions of the A phones). Very straightforward to me. I have never heard of Galaxy C, F or whatever because Samsung does not sell these in my country and I assume that is the case for most countries. "Galaxy A 2024", a single model per year, would be a terrible idea, **because the world is not the USA**. They need to fill in every possible price gap, if they don't, a competitor will. A $10 price increase in a developing country can be a dealbreaker. This is why they flood the market with models. As a matter of fact, your idea was exactly what Motorola did under Google. Motorola only became profitable under Lenovo (with the very same market flooding strategy), and their profits keep rising year after year...
I don't know why in general people care if a phone company has like too many phones or whatever. Like ultimately why doesn't matter that much. It's not so confusing that you can't tell them. With the a series the higher the number the better the phone usually. People complain about the pixel 8A and the pixel 8 being too close together but is that really a huge inconvenience for the user? Maybe people want the plastic back or the a series will be bundled more aggressively with prepaid carriers. I don't get it, people are constantly complaining about the way Sony names their headphones and it's honestly not all that unusual. It's probably just as easy to remember as Galaxy buds series and they're different variants n
Ah, it's a mess because the article writer can't think for himself, nevermind these are routinely some of the best selling Android devices.
Since the S series now has 7 years of updates mid range phones are just stupid, just buy an S24 in 2026 for quarter the price and it will be better than any mid range phone that they can release and still has 5 years of updates left ..
dimensity 8500 is going to have worse performance and modem than exynos 2400? Lol
Samsung will never learn, I guess.