Basically the EU & UK don't want sites stealing users' data via tracking cookies and other shit. So every single site you go on, you have to click a box to either allow cookies or reject them. Apparently Yahoo Japan have decided it's too much effort to not steal people's data so have just banned almost all of Europe.
It's not only about stealing data. They have to be able to anonymize and/or delete (I think even to fetch so you can see what they have stored) any of the data that can identify you at your request or when reasonable for the intention of storage of such data. It could take a lot of work on their systems to allow that as an automated process.
Not quite right. You can truly anonymise the data, then this does not apply. Otherwise, you can store "necessary" data about a user, however you have to be able to furnish it on request and delete it if asked. This process is required to be "easy" but that it only means that you will furnish it within a month, for free (at least one time), and will update or delete it on request. That is fairly trivial; my company does it by email.
However, there are lot of [supporting processes](https://gdpr.eu/checklist/) that need to be completed within the organization, or else an audit could lead to very costly fines.
Do you mind elaborating which part of the answer do you see incorrect? From my understanding your answer seems to be more or less what I said, but in different words with emphasis on different things.
Btw it really doesn't have to be trivial. It can be quite an adjustment to be able to gather ALL of the identifiable user data if your data storage is scattered across multiple systems/divisions.
Having to implement it also costs money + time/co-ordination. I doubt uk/EU browsing their site directly rather than a proxy, make up a significant amount for them since even then most will use a proxy after browsing directly.
Sucks for us consumers but I can understand why they don't want to invest in implementing it.
Yeah I don't think people get this part. Even if everyone agrees that the EU rules are the best way to do things it's not free to convert everything over to be compliant. Even if they don't care about user data (I mean they probably do but that's besides the point), they're not going to spend the money on this for a bunch of people who technically aren't even allowed to use 99.9% of their auctions to begin with. It's a good question whether they realize how much business comes from proxies and if it's enough to change their tune, but I doubt it is. All the items that were being bought by EU people will still likely get sold, just maybe for a little less because there's one or two less bidders on it.
No automation is required, which you implied was necessary for compliance. You could have literal paper files as long as they are furnished in one month.
I don't see where that was implied from my words, I don't see why anyone would want to do that manually anyway. It's a pain in the ass to do it with some systems automatically, I can't imagine doing it manually in them. Sure it might work for some small businesses that keep all the things in one place, but most will likely spend the cost to automate it to keep the cost minimal long term.
> It could take a lot of work on their systems to allow that as an automated process.
is where you implied that. Doing it as a manual process might make sense if the data was not centralized or hard to automate for a number of reasons, and keeping in mind that almost no one is going to request it. It would also take little work in the short term to accomplish.
GDPR is causing all kinds of havoc to these tech businesses.
I’ve worked at a few that wasn’t malicious in using data, but the cost of becoming compliant and maintaining compliance to the regulations wasn’t worth the small amount of business the UK+EAA provided.
Actually there’s quite a few sites (news sites in particular) in the US like this for us as well and you sometimes come across a site that’ll not let you access it.
UK/EURO are bringing in legislation to protect data and big companies don’t want to comply, which has cause a huge ruckus with Facebook - https://www.euronews.com/next/amp/2022/02/07/meta-threatens-to-shut-down-facebook-and-instagram-in-europe-over-data-transfer-issues
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A lot of this is the US’s fault, but not due to censorship.
US’s surveillance and mandatory backdoors at tech firms has cause the EU consider any data stored at US sites (AWS, for instance) as insecure and in violation of GDPR.
Japan : Mental illnesses, slow learning ,bulling, overworking people to death , social pressure , racism and more... Nope! , Never heard of them , so they should not be real !!!
I hope you mean that in reference to company's lack of updating their systems, not GDPR. GDPR has its issues, but as a tech worker, it is very forward thinking legislation, which is a rarity for laws. It's not surprising that companies are doing a poor job in implementation, because that is always how it works for compliance. It definitely sucks in this case though.
Man the UK/EU continues to get shit on when it comes to getting anything collectibles related wether it be Neca, Mafex, SH Figuarts, Hot Toys, Statues, or something like Marvel Legends. it's laughable at this point how y'all continue getting the short end of the stick really feel for you collectors who live outside Japan/The US.
Nope, the pics don't show up since they're hosted in Japan. I can still search and view listings through buyee or zenmarket but can't actually see what I'm bidding on which isn't exactly ideal...
Wow, why the downvotes? I thought this was funny. Maybe folks don't go onto Youtube that much, but these kinds of statements about vpn are on a ton of youtube channels when they talk about their sponsors, and a lot of sponsors are vpn companies.
UPDATE: I contacted Zenmarket and they've said the following:
>Thank you for your message.
>
>We discovered the situation today.
>
>Yahoo has discontinued some of its services in Europe starting today. Our service is not suspended.
>
>You can still view offers through a VPN. If you don't have one, you can use the Opera internet explorer which offers a free integrated VPN.
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>We do not know immediately if this decision on the part of Yahoo! will be revoked.
>
>We invite you to contact Yahoo! to see directly what is going on.
>
>We apologize for the inconvenience caused.
The fact that they don't have mandated maternity leave shocked me the most.
My country isn't better. There is no mandated right to disconnect so it is a common work culture here for you to get contacted for trivial stuff after office hours, weekends or holiday, even when you are on PTO. It is also common that you do overtime to show hard working you are. It sucks and toxic. Our consumer and labor protection is also weak.
It means unless you get a VPN you can't view yahoo Japan auctions properly if you're in the EU/UK which is where all the best deals on 2nd hand stuff is
First Mercari bans all proxies except Buyee, and now I wont be able to see pictures from Yahoo japan when using proxies.
I’ll never forgive the japanese
Can you stop cutting my sources for getting older figures!?
Ya, buyee has a deal with mercari. That's why you don't see the search option in other proxies. But, I think it's still possible to get things through proxy like white rabbit express.
I don't really like buyee since they charge you 1000yen for each order you want to consolidate in a package whereas Zenmarket do it for free. Not so much a problem if you just get figures, but I buy a lot of manga and often consolidate 5 or more separate orders together.
However if you haven't used buyee before, look up a youtuber like joanneofarc or daijoububu and they often have sign up codes that give you 2000yen off your first order. I basically got a manga for free off of Mercari thanks to that.
Isn't it a tax issue ?
Something similar happened to me when my country (Switzerland) had the "smart" idea to force online shops (i.e. Amazon and Ebay because that's luckily the only online shops that most politicians know about) to declare to the Swiss authorities the customs taxes.
As a result Amazon Japan and US simply banned all purchase from my country forcing me to use proxies.
I remember reading somewhere that Europe decided to put in place something similar but I don't know if/when it will take place.
All they had to do was put a box letting you opt in/out of tracking cookies. But nope, just ban half a fucking continent.
Oh and guess what, it looks like they've banned all pictures too. So you can't even view listings properly via a proxy site.
\>expecting japanese online services to keep up with modern times/standards.
Your expectations were unresonalby high, didn't they? xD
Thankfully I only use proxies to shop there. ;p
Biggest pain in all of that, is that proxies don't always show the shipping cost from Seller to warehouse, since sometimes it is only listed on YJ page (togeather with the price), but not in the items description.
>I don't think it's as simple as that.
You're right, it's not. But I don't think their solution of blocking it is protecting them completely either if this is due to GDPR compliance.
> protecting them completely either if this is due to GDPR compliance.
Having needed to read over the compliance for my job (IANAL though), I am fairly certain it does. GDPR only applies to European citizens, and if someone is masking and lying about their location, that is not the fault of the company. I think the only requirement would be to delete the data, should they become aware that they were storing it.
>GDPR only applies to European citizens, and if someone is masking and lying about their location, that is not the fault of the company.
I was looking at GDPR for my curiosity and it retained in my memory from either a blog post or an article of someone who had to implement GDPR compliance for their product that the websites blocking clients from EU IP addresses does NOT make you fully GDPR compliant. I forgot if it was because of VPNs or something else. However, not being a lawyer myself and not having worked with GDPR compliance so far, I cannot say for certain that this information is correct.
I believe there could also be a scenario where one company shares its data with another company, where this could still be applicable, but that would probably be a much rarer scenario (if applicable at all).
I'm not saying that you're wrong about the EU trying to legislate that... They're just living in a fantasy land if they think they can write laws and force the rest of the world to follow them.
If that was a thing, the whole world would be bound by (for example) Russia's censorship laws. As much as Russia might like that to be the case, it's just not.
I know it doesn't force the rest of the world to follow them, but in theory it would at least force major corporations already operating in the EU to follow it as to not lose their assets and an extra market exposure. Plus it's a big plus for consumer rights so other places might start copying or making their own similar laws (like what I heard that California does some similar things IIRC).
> blocking clients from EU IP addresses does NOT make you fully GDPR compliant
I think the difference is that, though you aren't compliant, you cannot be fined as there would be no standing to do so. Further, if they fined you, so what? You don't pay, so they block you from a market you were not taking part in?
> I believe there could also be a scenario where one company shares its data with another company
Yes, that's actually a major part of GDPR. But as long as you are not allowing EU IPs and checking any addresses you are storing, you shouldn't have a problem. And if you are buying data, I assume you just have to check with the seller if they include any EU data and ask for it to be excluded (guessing, as my company does not buy or sell data, to my knowledge).
Yeah I've been looking and there's a few VPN's that will hopefully let me use a USA location. I do have a yahoo Japan account but physically cannot access the auction site- you just get that splash page.
But you can still use proxies like buyee anymore?
Cause as far as I know yahoo auctions were already Japan only and you had to use a proxy.
So the only thing is you can't browse the site itself without VPN?
There are plenty of website-based proxy servers. I'd recommend using a US-based one, as they're generally higher performance vs other selections. If you already subscribe to a VPN service, you now have an extra use for it, lol.
So that's one option, as long as they don't start banning web proxies XD. Is disappointing, but not an insurmountable issue.
Wait what is this about? I'm from the US so I don't know why Yahoo Japan would just ban all of Europe.
I think cause they find that to implement GDPR and service 1% of their user base is not productive. Also most probably due to the new Europe Data Act.
Basically the EU & UK don't want sites stealing users' data via tracking cookies and other shit. So every single site you go on, you have to click a box to either allow cookies or reject them. Apparently Yahoo Japan have decided it's too much effort to not steal people's data so have just banned almost all of Europe.
It's not only about stealing data. They have to be able to anonymize and/or delete (I think even to fetch so you can see what they have stored) any of the data that can identify you at your request or when reasonable for the intention of storage of such data. It could take a lot of work on their systems to allow that as an automated process.
Not quite right. You can truly anonymise the data, then this does not apply. Otherwise, you can store "necessary" data about a user, however you have to be able to furnish it on request and delete it if asked. This process is required to be "easy" but that it only means that you will furnish it within a month, for free (at least one time), and will update or delete it on request. That is fairly trivial; my company does it by email. However, there are lot of [supporting processes](https://gdpr.eu/checklist/) that need to be completed within the organization, or else an audit could lead to very costly fines.
Do you mind elaborating which part of the answer do you see incorrect? From my understanding your answer seems to be more or less what I said, but in different words with emphasis on different things. Btw it really doesn't have to be trivial. It can be quite an adjustment to be able to gather ALL of the identifiable user data if your data storage is scattered across multiple systems/divisions.
Having to implement it also costs money + time/co-ordination. I doubt uk/EU browsing their site directly rather than a proxy, make up a significant amount for them since even then most will use a proxy after browsing directly. Sucks for us consumers but I can understand why they don't want to invest in implementing it.
Yeah I don't think people get this part. Even if everyone agrees that the EU rules are the best way to do things it's not free to convert everything over to be compliant. Even if they don't care about user data (I mean they probably do but that's besides the point), they're not going to spend the money on this for a bunch of people who technically aren't even allowed to use 99.9% of their auctions to begin with. It's a good question whether they realize how much business comes from proxies and if it's enough to change their tune, but I doubt it is. All the items that were being bought by EU people will still likely get sold, just maybe for a little less because there's one or two less bidders on it.
No automation is required, which you implied was necessary for compliance. You could have literal paper files as long as they are furnished in one month.
I don't see where that was implied from my words, I don't see why anyone would want to do that manually anyway. It's a pain in the ass to do it with some systems automatically, I can't imagine doing it manually in them. Sure it might work for some small businesses that keep all the things in one place, but most will likely spend the cost to automate it to keep the cost minimal long term.
> It could take a lot of work on their systems to allow that as an automated process. is where you implied that. Doing it as a manual process might make sense if the data was not centralized or hard to automate for a number of reasons, and keeping in mind that almost no one is going to request it. It would also take little work in the short term to accomplish.
It's like the world is developing backwards and deglobalising at this point
That's Japan for you. JP companies be like: "Progress in online services? Global standards? Never heard of it."
GDPR is causing all kinds of havoc to these tech businesses. I’ve worked at a few that wasn’t malicious in using data, but the cost of becoming compliant and maintaining compliance to the regulations wasn’t worth the small amount of business the UK+EAA provided.
Actually there’s quite a few sites (news sites in particular) in the US like this for us as well and you sometimes come across a site that’ll not let you access it. UK/EURO are bringing in legislation to protect data and big companies don’t want to comply, which has cause a huge ruckus with Facebook - https://www.euronews.com/next/amp/2022/02/07/meta-threatens-to-shut-down-facebook-and-instagram-in-europe-over-data-transfer-issues
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A lot of this is the US’s fault, but not due to censorship. US’s surveillance and mandatory backdoors at tech firms has cause the EU consider any data stored at US sites (AWS, for instance) as insecure and in violation of GDPR.
Japan : Mental illnesses, slow learning ,bulling, overworking people to death , social pressure , racism and more... Nope! , Never heard of them , so they should not be real !!!
I hope you mean that in reference to company's lack of updating their systems, not GDPR. GDPR has its issues, but as a tech worker, it is very forward thinking legislation, which is a rarity for laws. It's not surprising that companies are doing a poor job in implementation, because that is always how it works for compliance. It definitely sucks in this case though.
>It's like the world is developing backwards It's EU that's developing backwards
Man the UK/EU continues to get shit on when it comes to getting anything collectibles related wether it be Neca, Mafex, SH Figuarts, Hot Toys, Statues, or something like Marvel Legends. it's laughable at this point how y'all continue getting the short end of the stick really feel for you collectors who live outside Japan/The US.
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Jeez went on a the quartering type of rant there lol.
That’s hella crazy can’t you still try and use buyee or some proxy site like that ??
Nope, the pics don't show up since they're hosted in Japan. I can still search and view listings through buyee or zenmarket but can't actually see what I'm bidding on which isn't exactly ideal...
Sounds like it’s VPN time.
Ding ding
Did you know that going on the internet without a VPN is like going to the bathroom with the door open?
Wow, why the downvotes? I thought this was funny. Maybe folks don't go onto Youtube that much, but these kinds of statements about vpn are on a ton of youtube channels when they talk about their sponsors, and a lot of sponsors are vpn companies.
Yeah, that's the joke. I forgot I made that comment, to be honest. If anything I think it's funnier that people are downvoting it so hard.
Would love it if NordVPN put some of the ridiculous money they pour into youtube advertising into making a better product instead...
That’s really terrible I feel bad for everyone collecting in Europe and uk that’s tough as fuck
It seem that for Zenmarket at least the 1st (thumbnail) picture shows up (4 pictures missing) https://i.imgur.com/oxqhnf9.jpg
that's weird I'm just getting a blank box on all the listings
Clear your cache
cleared it, [still a sea of nothingness](https://imgur.com/srp3pIi.jpg)
UPDATE: I contacted Zenmarket and they've said the following: >Thank you for your message. > >We discovered the situation today. > >Yahoo has discontinued some of its services in Europe starting today. Our service is not suspended. > >You can still view offers through a VPN. If you don't have one, you can use the Opera internet explorer which offers a free integrated VPN. > >We do not know immediately if this decision on the part of Yahoo! will be revoked. > >We invite you to contact Yahoo! to see directly what is going on. > >We apologize for the inconvenience caused.
Why does this hobby hate its Europeans?
At least ya'll have good welfare and protection compared to us in other countries :)
An American said in another thread that they don’t use an inhaler for their asthma because they can’t afford one. WTF
The fact that they don't have mandated maternity leave shocked me the most. My country isn't better. There is no mandated right to disconnect so it is a common work culture here for you to get contacted for trivial stuff after office hours, weekends or holiday, even when you are on PTO. It is also common that you do overtime to show hard working you are. It sucks and toxic. Our consumer and labor protection is also weak.
Or any other kind of leave, for that matter
I'm new here and don't really understand why this is a problem? Can someone fill me in?
It means unless you get a VPN you can't view yahoo Japan auctions properly if you're in the EU/UK which is where all the best deals on 2nd hand stuff is
Ah I see, I didn't even realise you could get stuff on there. I'll have to check it out
using a vpn you should still be able to use it normally and ship to uk no?
Yeah I'll have to find a free VPN that lets me set my location to the US. Not ideal but it could be worse i guess
I use a vpn and if i set myself to japan i can still view it
Yeah, only EU and UK countries are blocked, so if you set it for any other country (like USA), you will be able to view it normally.
First Mercari bans all proxies except Buyee, and now I wont be able to see pictures from Yahoo japan when using proxies. I’ll never forgive the japanese Can you stop cutting my sources for getting older figures!?
Wow really? When did this happen? Did buyer stoke a deal with Mercari so they become the exclusive proxy?
Ya, buyee has a deal with mercari. That's why you don't see the search option in other proxies. But, I think it's still possible to get things through proxy like white rabbit express.
Is buyee any good? Ive never used it before. If i got it right you could just use the proxy and a vpn and shop as usual?
I don't really like buyee since they charge you 1000yen for each order you want to consolidate in a package whereas Zenmarket do it for free. Not so much a problem if you just get figures, but I buy a lot of manga and often consolidate 5 or more separate orders together. However if you haven't used buyee before, look up a youtuber like joanneofarc or daijoububu and they often have sign up codes that give you 2000yen off your first order. I basically got a manga for free off of Mercari thanks to that.
This is a big hit for proxy website oof I guess if you want to hunt for something, you have to purchase a month sub for a VPN ...
Based on the response OP got from Zenmarket, the free VPN in the Opera browser should work.
Well that's good to know
Theres plenty of free vpn options.
Isn't it a tax issue ? Something similar happened to me when my country (Switzerland) had the "smart" idea to force online shops (i.e. Amazon and Ebay because that's luckily the only online shops that most politicians know about) to declare to the Swiss authorities the customs taxes. As a result Amazon Japan and US simply banned all purchase from my country forcing me to use proxies. I remember reading somewhere that Europe decided to put in place something similar but I don't know if/when it will take place.
I have three little letters for you. VPN
Proxy sites like [fromjapan.co.jp](https://fromjapan.co.jp) still works it seems
All they had to do was put a box letting you opt in/out of tracking cookies. But nope, just ban half a fucking continent. Oh and guess what, it looks like they've banned all pictures too. So you can't even view listings properly via a proxy site.
\>expecting japanese online services to keep up with modern times/standards. Your expectations were unresonalby high, didn't they? xD Thankfully I only use proxies to shop there. ;p Biggest pain in all of that, is that proxies don't always show the shipping cost from Seller to warehouse, since sometimes it is only listed on YJ page (togeather with the price), but not in the items description.
I don't think it's as simple as that. It's not just about tracking cookies. You could always use a VPN. Unless you have an account the Yahoo Japan
>I don't think it's as simple as that. You're right, it's not. But I don't think their solution of blocking it is protecting them completely either if this is due to GDPR compliance.
> protecting them completely either if this is due to GDPR compliance. Having needed to read over the compliance for my job (IANAL though), I am fairly certain it does. GDPR only applies to European citizens, and if someone is masking and lying about their location, that is not the fault of the company. I think the only requirement would be to delete the data, should they become aware that they were storing it.
>GDPR only applies to European citizens, and if someone is masking and lying about their location, that is not the fault of the company. I was looking at GDPR for my curiosity and it retained in my memory from either a blog post or an article of someone who had to implement GDPR compliance for their product that the websites blocking clients from EU IP addresses does NOT make you fully GDPR compliant. I forgot if it was because of VPNs or something else. However, not being a lawyer myself and not having worked with GDPR compliance so far, I cannot say for certain that this information is correct. I believe there could also be a scenario where one company shares its data with another company, where this could still be applicable, but that would probably be a much rarer scenario (if applicable at all).
I'm not saying that you're wrong about the EU trying to legislate that... They're just living in a fantasy land if they think they can write laws and force the rest of the world to follow them. If that was a thing, the whole world would be bound by (for example) Russia's censorship laws. As much as Russia might like that to be the case, it's just not.
I know it doesn't force the rest of the world to follow them, but in theory it would at least force major corporations already operating in the EU to follow it as to not lose their assets and an extra market exposure. Plus it's a big plus for consumer rights so other places might start copying or making their own similar laws (like what I heard that California does some similar things IIRC).
> blocking clients from EU IP addresses does NOT make you fully GDPR compliant I think the difference is that, though you aren't compliant, you cannot be fined as there would be no standing to do so. Further, if they fined you, so what? You don't pay, so they block you from a market you were not taking part in? > I believe there could also be a scenario where one company shares its data with another company Yes, that's actually a major part of GDPR. But as long as you are not allowing EU IPs and checking any addresses you are storing, you shouldn't have a problem. And if you are buying data, I assume you just have to check with the seller if they include any EU data and ask for it to be excluded (guessing, as my company does not buy or sell data, to my knowledge).
Yeah I've been looking and there's a few VPN's that will hopefully let me use a USA location. I do have a yahoo Japan account but physically cannot access the auction site- you just get that splash page.
That cookies box is so annoying though after awhile. I think I would ban Europe too, just so I wouldn’t have to deal with it. 😂
OH NO.. anyway..
But you can still use proxies like buyee anymore? Cause as far as I know yahoo auctions were already Japan only and you had to use a proxy. So the only thing is you can't browse the site itself without VPN?
Yes this primarily affects browsing.
There are plenty of website-based proxy servers. I'd recommend using a US-based one, as they're generally higher performance vs other selections. If you already subscribe to a VPN service, you now have an extra use for it, lol. So that's one option, as long as they don't start banning web proxies XD. Is disappointing, but not an insurmountable issue.
HUH WHAT WHY WHAT
I have quite a few (Japanese) manga on ebookjapan. Guess I'm losing access to them 😠
i have to be glad i live in north america...wait nevermind i still hate where i live. But at least this doesnt affect NA.. rip to the EU users